1 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to NROL three to sixty rugb League from every angle, 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: brought to you by NIV. 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: Joining me again the Great Gordon. 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: Tallis, Paul Crawley and Dean Richie and our Telstra Top 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: story Kyle Flanagan's appearing before the Ameral Judiciary tonight after 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Bulldog starts. Stephen Crichton accused the Dragon's playmaker of biting 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: his nose in a tackle on Saturday night. Now James 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: Hooper is covering the hearing hoops what's the latest. 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: Evening, Brave Well. 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: Kyle Flanagan's defense lawyer is trying to mount a case 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: that he should be exonerated because he has never been 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 3: suspended in the history of his rugby league career, dating 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: back to when he was aged four. 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: So they have used two. 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: Previous examples of incidents when Kyle has been charged by 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 3: the NRL Match Review Committee only resulted in fines. Now 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: Kyle has given evidence under questioning from his defense lawyer 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: where he says he was unaware that Stephen Crichton's knows 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: was in his mouth. 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: He has then conceded. 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: That after watching the vision, yes, he can see that 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: that did take place. He has said that he felt trapped, 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: he felt locked in, he had nowhere to go, and 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: he then had to use a technique called the croc 25 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: roll to roll over and play the ball. Now, his 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: defense lawyer has pointed out that Kyle's eyes were closed 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: the entire time. Flanagan has also given evidence saying that 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: Stephen Crichton, over the course of the entire eighty minutes, 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: never mentioned anything about biting, not before or after the incident. 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: He has admitted that there was some degree of closing. 31 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: Of his mouth. 32 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: He has admitted that there was partial closing of his mouth. 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: And that's where we're out at the moment, Braith. There's 34 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: a fair bit going on in there. He hasn't been 35 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: cross examined crucially by the NRL's lawyer at this point, 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: but it has been quite an interesting hearing to date. 37 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: Half an hour already underway, and we will keep you 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 3: updated over the course of the evening. 39 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: Thanks Hoops, well done. 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: Make sure you do if anything happens down there at headquarters, 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: keep us posting there is James Hooper interesting that so 42 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: Kyle's saying that he didn't know that Stephen Crichton's knows 43 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: was in his mouth. He had his eyes closed as well, 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: which she did when we saw the vision. He felt trapped, 45 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: he felt locked in and then he had to crocodile 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: roll to get out of it. So it's a fair 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: argument when you think about it, and he's got a 48 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: fair case I think, going off that evidence thoughts. 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: He said he partially closed his mouth. What constitutes a bite? 50 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: Is that a bite? If you partially close your mouth, 51 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: what is deemed to be a bite? Mate, I don't 52 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: have any doubt in the world he bid him, like 53 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 4: I think the vision showed that there was a bite. 54 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 4: But I do agree with Flanigan's explanation that he was 55 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: pinned to the ground. Look, I don't agree with Buzz 56 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: last night saying that Crichton should have been charged. But 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 4: Crichton was definitely the instigator in this and if he 58 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 4: doesn't do what he does, then Flanagan doesn't bite him. 59 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: And I think that there's circumstances here mitigating circumstances. I 60 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: think Flanigan will end up copying a suspension out of it, 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: but it shouldn't be. 62 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: It's not that. 63 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 4: He's gotten attack Crichton without it was self defense in 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: a way. 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: Do you think you think, oh, come with gord What 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: do you think on this, mate? 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think obviously everything he's arguing is probably correct, 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 5: but it still does not hide the fact that he 69 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 5: closes his mouth on someone's nose and. 70 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: He draws blood. 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 4: Why was the nose in the mouth? That's for me, 72 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 4: that's the basis of the argum mean, Gordy, because he 73 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 4: was he was pushing analyzed to start with, continue to 74 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 4: be fair. 75 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 5: The tackling technique has changed since we played with the 76 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 5: wrestling and getting in closed and like hitting and stick 77 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 5: and and dominating. We didn't have this much, you know contact. 78 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 5: It was more of a hand and the helbow or 79 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 5: something like that. But it's still not an excuse. 80 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: It's still an excuse. 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 5: Put it in if you've got two kids and they're 82 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 5: in there playing in the lounge and one comes in, 83 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 5: he's bidding, did you. 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 4: Put your nose in his mouth? Son? 85 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: It's still the kid? Is that the question you asked? 86 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: The old days, I used to say that if someone 87 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: got bit in his mouth, Jesus, wish you were my dad. 88 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: You wouldn't find many names last year this. 89 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 4: Dad, But doesn't Cordy doesn't really matter if he's knows 90 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: was in his mouth. Does that still constitute the right 91 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 4: to bite? 92 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 5: No, unless unless, unless there's a charge in the game 93 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 5: for Stephen Crichton being aversals getting his face in pressure 94 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 5: with the head or something. But there's no charge for 95 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 5: that right, and then that would make our game a 96 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 5: little bit so penalty. 97 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: It should have been a penalty before it got to 98 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: that stage. To Saint George, ye, what for Crichton overstepping 99 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 4: the mark with slow and down to play the book. 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: That's a different story though, But that's. 101 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 4: The reason it happened. 102 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: Bro. 103 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 4: All I'm saying is when I watched that on someday. 104 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: Before we keep going, even if it is a penalty, 105 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: that he would have bitten him before the penalty, there's 106 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: still a bite. 107 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 4: I'm not arguing that there was a bite. Why didn't 108 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 4: Crichton make an on field complaint to the referee to 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 4: say I have been bitten, which would be the logical 110 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 4: conclusion if you've been nipped on the beak? 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: That was interesting. 112 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 4: What made him dismiss it for the next fifty to 113 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 4: sixty minutes and then make the complaint to the match. 114 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: Fishalper I think probably when he realized there was a 115 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: significant injury to his nose, there was blood, blood was 116 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: broken and he had some grazes. This is where we 117 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: think it happened here after the game. We just had 118 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: some vision there the footy manager of the ground manager 119 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: walking over complaining there to the NRL official. 120 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 2: So that's when it happened after the game. 121 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: So he's obviously had a discussion with staff after and 122 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: then they've made the official complaint just on this now. 123 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: So Stephen Crichton hasn't had to appear or didn't want 124 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: to appear tonight. Should he have? 125 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 4: I think the NRL have a right to say that 126 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 4: you should appear. I don't know that I'm one out yet, 127 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 4: but I think if there's a big case on this 128 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 4: and it's not black and white and they've got A 129 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 4: and B in terms of which side you're on, I 130 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: think the NRL has a right to say no. 131 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 5: I think you have to give evidence. I think you 132 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 5: should appear. If it's a slur and you're saying something. 133 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 5: You know, when they say something and you can't see it, 134 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 5: I think you appear there. But when you've got evidence 135 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 5: like that, I don't think that you need to. In 136 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 5: my opinion, I don't think you need to be there. 137 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: In the modern world, you don't necessarily have to be 138 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 4: at the judisary either. You can do it by link. 139 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 4: And I don't think it would have hurt you if 140 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 4: you make the allegation. 141 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: Because I think he could do that. 142 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: If he's made allegation breath, I think he should back 143 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: that up by appearing and giving evidence and being cross examined. 144 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: Do we have any reason why he hasn't. 145 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 4: I would imagine the bulldogs have told him not to 146 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 4: go there. That would be and they might want his 147 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: mind stuck on that. And I can understand that side 148 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: of it too. The other thing that gets me about this, 149 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 4: and you spoke about it a moment ago, with the 150 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: change in tackle technique these days, you can't hold on 151 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: with a good old fashioned legs tackle for a split 152 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 4: second or get penalized. Yet in this instance, this is 153 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 4: the new method of slowing down the ruck. But for 154 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: some reason that's allowed. Did you think that's that's better 155 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: than a legs tackle, because a couple of weeks ago 156 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 4: one of the Warriors players got pinged for a really 157 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 4: good old fashioned legs tackle here. But the way of 158 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: slowing down the ruck and they're all doing it, some 159 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: do it better than others. 160 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: I get it. 161 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 5: But in fast motion he gets off. Just in the 162 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 5: nicked time, I believe, well, not quite in the nicked time. 163 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: Not quite in the he got nipped. 164 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: The techniques are changing, right, so we know that are 165 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: we a fan of you're saying you're not a fan 166 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: of it the techniques at the moment the way that 167 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: because the wrestlers come into the. 168 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: Game quite a while ago, yeah, quite a while ago now. 169 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: But I have noticed a lot of face to face contact, 170 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: chess to chess contact, and that is you talk about. 171 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Kyle said he had the crocodile roll to get out 172 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: of it. That's kind of the position. A lot of 173 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: players get into it. 174 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, and breath. Even in other areas where where players 175 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: are tackled and the tackling player will grab them around 176 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 4: the neck to slow down to play the ball. All 177 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: these little tactics like it's all part of the wrestle, 178 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: isn't it. And we went through a stage where the 179 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 4: six again came in and we're trying to rub it out. 180 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 4: But now we're getting more and more back into that 181 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 4: stage where these tactics are coming in. I just think, 182 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: if you don't want to have this sort of incident 183 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 4: happen again, Well, you've got to do something to try 184 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 4: and clear up the ruck. I think it's all semantic stints. 185 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 4: I don't think that that tackle in fast motion was 186 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: any longer on the ground than others. I think we're 187 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 4: looking for reasons to keep this debate going. I don't 188 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 4: think Stephen Crichton, when you look at that in normal speed, 189 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: was on top of Kyle any longer than any other table. 190 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 2: It was less than three seconds. 191 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: That's the case. Three seconds? Is that acceptable? 192 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: Is it? 193 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 4: Because often, mate, you'll get the six again call, or 194 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: you'll get the penalty in times like that. That's what 195 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,479 Speaker 4: I'm saying. I think I think Crichton. 196 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 5: Problem if one team was doing it, but everybody does it. 197 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 5: Everybody's got a you know, like a wrestling coach. Every 198 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 5: team does it. Some sides are just better at it. 199 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: Good. 200 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: Did you think that was a deliberate ploy to slow 201 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: the playdown or was that just two blokes coming together 202 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: face to face. 203 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 5: Well, of course they want to slow the playdown. And 204 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 5: then he's just a big aggressive guy that got in 205 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 5: his grill like you see that all the time. 206 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 6: He's aggressive. Yes, he was deliberate aggressive, it was the 207 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 6: first tackle. You want to win the seat actually, but. 208 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. You got to do that. 209 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: You've got to take on the opposition. You've got to 210 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: make it personal. That's what Crichton does, He takes them on. 211 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you, but I don't think 212 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: there was much in the tackle. I know it's been 213 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot been made of it. 214 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: Well, you're trying to justify Coles. Yeah, reaction, I get that, 215 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: but I'm not sure that tackle. 216 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 5: Look, the pressure of the head. Pressure of the head, 217 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 5: I wouldn't like if it happened to me. But there's 218 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 5: other ways of getting him off you. I mean, like 219 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 5: you got your arm and you can push and you 220 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 5: can do a lot of things. 221 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 2: All right. 222 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Our turning point, thanks to Ashley and Mark medical hair 223 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: centers from slowing down the ruck to. 224 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: Speeding it up. 225 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: The Panthers play the ball technique has has highlighted an 226 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: issue taking place across the game at the moment. 227 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: Now. The NL cracked down on this. I don't know 228 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: if it was. 229 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: It was probably last year, I think, where you had 230 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: to make an effort playing the ball to at least 231 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: get your foot to it or at least stroke your 232 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: foot back as the ball's moving, but as you can 233 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: see he crawls. They just really just shine it between 234 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: the leagues at the moment. 235 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 236 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: Adam Panelli for The City Morning Held wrote a really 237 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: good article on this today with Penris last three set 238 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 4: in the game where they came back and scored three 239 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 4: tries in three minutes to win the game against Paramatta, 240 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 4: and he pointed out the fact, I think it was 241 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 4: eleven or thirteen tackles there was one genuine attempt to 242 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 4: play the ball, and that's not using your foot, but 243 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: just using a genuine attempt, whereas in this three sets 244 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 4: of play it was basically just tunnel ball. They just 245 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 4: kept rolling it through. And anyone that watches a lot 246 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 4: of football will notice these days, like for one hundred 247 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 4: years you had to use your foot to play the ball, 248 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 4: and then along the way they changed the rules that 249 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: had to be a genuine attempt. Now it's just a 250 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: free for all and it's getting worse and worse. But 251 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 4: if I have no doubt, what do you want, well 252 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: for mine, I wouldn't mind betting in the end of 253 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 4: the game. And the Penrish sets I reckon that's coached 254 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 4: to speed up the play the balls. I reckon they 255 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 4: would have cific sets where they know they want to 256 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: score or they want to put something on, and they're 257 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 4: in that danger zone where they will just go for 258 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: it all the time. 259 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: You'll either one or the other. 260 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: I think, okay, what Penrith are doing, and we're seeing 261 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: other teams here doing it as well. 262 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 4: Mind we see a foot man. 263 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: But if that's what I mean, if they're okay with 264 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: this and that's the rules of the game, then that's fine. 265 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: But at one point there there was a crackdown and 266 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: they were pulling up teams and players. 267 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: But that seems they're just. 268 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 5: Well, they either got to start penalizing it or change 269 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 5: the rule. 270 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: They don't want a crackdown Gordy because they hate that word. 271 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: Then a rule and they don't want to crack down 272 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: just before the finals, but a gentle memo saying, oh, boys, 273 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 4: start playing the rules otherwise we're going to pedalize you. 274 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: Do you think coaches are training their players or coaching. 275 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 4: I think they do. Like I have no doubt in 276 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: the world. It speeds up to play the ball, isn't it. 277 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 4: It's ironic that we're just watching We're watching the slowdown 278 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: of the ruck and now we're seeing the speed up 279 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: the ruck. Very few players in a game of football 280 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: the ball with their foot, so I have no doubt 281 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,359 Speaker 4: in the world it's coached. 282 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: As a player, like when you are another pump where 283 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: you're trying to get a quick play the ball. The 284 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: games on the line, the fractions, you know, those seconds 285 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: that one on, one second or millisecond even make a difference. 286 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: You know, if you half and get the ball clear, 287 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: he gets the ball earlier, which therefore gets on the 288 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: edge and gets to a certain spot where there is 289 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: a vulnerability. There is a huge advantage to be gained. 290 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: So as I said, like as a player, makes a 291 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: big difference. 292 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: It's just where are we at with it. 293 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 4: It's not Gordy said, though there's a rule like you're 294 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: not asking for a crackdown, you're just asking what is 295 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 4: well the rule is you've got to make a genuine. 296 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: If that's the rule, then they're breaking the rules are 297 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: they are? 298 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 4: And the referees have allowed it to get out of control. 299 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: It's got worse and worse and worse over the last 300 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 4: few year. 301 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: Have we heard from the NRL on this as anyone 302 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: if you go. 303 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 4: I spoke to all about it, probably a footnight ago 304 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 4: break and they just didn't want, as I said, before 305 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: that crackdown that perceives crackdown on the eve of the finals. 306 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 4: They fear that it would upset the players, the fans, 307 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 4: and they didn't want it coming out. 308 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: Now. 309 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 4: This should have been nipped in the bud in March. 310 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 4: That's the problem. They've let it go too long now 311 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 4: and now we're seeing what we're seeing in the NFL. 312 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: I'm under eight, correct. 313 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: So you actually know. 314 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 5: It's not as if we're going to teach the players 315 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 5: a new trick. 316 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 4: I'm like you though, if that's a trick. 317 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 5: That they've been doing for a like, but just pushing 318 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 5: the rules it. 319 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: But if those are the rules, I don't mind. But 320 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 4: let's just get rid of the wording and say that's 321 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 4: now leg But that's not that's not legal under the rules. 322 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: We've just solved everyone's problems, right, all right? 323 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: But what's the latest on the Latrell Mitchell photo scandal. 324 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, the latest is Gordy Latrell has been hunkered down 325 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: at home today. The Aneral Integrity made contact with him 326 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: this afternoon to start a formal investigation with la Trell. 327 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 4: South Sydney spoke with Latrell yesterday morning. The RLLPA have 328 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 4: also reached out. So look, Latrell has been told he 329 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: can't and won't say anything publicly until the investigation is completed. 330 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: There's no time frame on that just yet. You'd imagine though, 331 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: that the eneral would like to get it done sooner 332 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 4: rather than later to stop the damaging headlines. Interestingly, though, 333 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 4: I spoke to a Sydney lawyer today called Paul McGirr, 334 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 4: and he thinks the photo is that grainy and the 335 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 4: evidence is that loose that he says, quote unquote, it 336 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 4: is more than likely to collapse the whole case. So 337 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: it's to watch this space. 338 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: Okay, it's on a grainy photo. 339 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: Well, other so if the case, if the case collapses 340 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: over that, then what do we expect you. 341 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: Would find that? 342 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 5: If that was me right, and I'm going to say, 343 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 5: don't you go get a drug test straight away? Don't 344 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 5: you put your hand up saying can you come and 345 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 5: drug test me? That's not right? 346 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: Well? 347 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 4: Possibly, yeah, I asked er all today, they're not going 348 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: to drug test Latrell at the moment. Is he going 349 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: to be the other the other instance, saying as a player, 350 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: if you if you're innocentce you're a player and you 351 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: haven't done anything, you put your hand up, jump up. 352 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 4: Some clubs that I spoke to a little surprise Latrell 353 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: hasn't come out publicly to defend himself. As my point 354 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: conversely said, well, look he'd probably be told to say 355 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 4: nothing through his legal team. So as I said it, 356 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: so watch this space. But it's a very sensitive issue 357 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 4: obviously and certainly. 358 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: Interesting to see where this lands and when the NRL 359 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: come out with a comment or statement about this situation. 360 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: Now. 361 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: Luke Keary is nearing the finish line at the Roosters 362 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: and the star half says they've got plenty of improvement 363 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: before their finals charge. 364 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 7: Obviously the last couple of weeks have been disappointing, but 365 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 7: I definitely don't think there's an issue there. We understand 366 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 7: where we need to get to going to be a 367 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 7: big focus of ours this last month. We know we 368 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 7: need to fix that up. Went down there to Melbourne, 369 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 7: missed our mark in a big game. We're not too concerned, 370 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 7: but we know there's a lot of a lot of 371 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 7: work we need to do before we get getting a 372 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 7: position to be able to compete. 373 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: Yes, a big names leaving and some cash to spend 374 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: for the roosters. We had a bit of fun in 375 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: the office today. We've got the calculator out of the 376 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: abbocause you name it. We had it out and to 377 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: the Bank of BONDI that we just went through a 378 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: bit of an order Swali. These are all estimations, mind 379 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: you so, but I think we're pretty close with most 380 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: of these. 381 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: Swali on seven fifty a year. 382 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: He leaves, Kiirri leaves on seven hundred a year, j 383 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: w h leaves around five point fifty, and we've got 384 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: around seven to fifty, leaving two point nine to five 385 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: million dollars for the roosters the war chest to spend 386 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: next year. They have some dollars to burn the chicks. 387 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: I don't need a sombrero anymore. 388 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: I think most clubs will be terrified when the roosters 389 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 4: have money to spend and to burn, and they do. 390 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 4: I think we have to factor in the fact that 391 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 4: displaite will probably come back. Joey Manu perhaps in may 392 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: say some of that money. 393 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: Six hundred that would go depending if half a season correct. 394 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 4: They're upgrading a lot of young kids as well. The 395 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 4: one plug I think they might have a look at 396 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 4: it's a center is Katoni Stags. They have shown interest 397 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: in him before. I've got no hard proof on that, 398 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 4: but I think you'll find that there would be some 399 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 4: interest there in Katoni Stag, who was a new seth Watschman. 400 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: I might add. 401 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 4: It's an interesting time for the Roosters, isn't it, Because 402 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 4: you talk about Premiership windows and with those four big 403 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 4: names finishing up at the end of the season, with 404 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 4: the exception of Marmy will most likely be back next year. 405 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: It's are they going to be a better team next 406 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 4: year if they don't get someone like Stags straight up? 407 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: And they've got a bunch of really good kids coming through, 408 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 4: but it's like the next eight weeks is their time 409 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 4: to shine and then after that the window is closed. 410 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 4: I'm saying that the window will close unless they pick 411 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 4: up a big bye like in the past. 412 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 5: It's a lot of talent to lose at a one 413 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 5: footy side. If you look at that just on sheer talent, 414 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 5: that's you got a Grand well, you've got multiple Grand 415 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 5: Final winners. 416 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 4: It's one and then that's a lot of talking about replacing, 417 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: and I get the Rooster's argument here is that they 418 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: do have an exceptional crop coming through, like sand and 419 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: Smith will take over from Cleary. They've brought Towns in 420 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: as a backup. But then they've got that young Toby 421 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: Rodwell and Jake Elliot who are the halves coming through. 422 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 4: They've got Blake Steep as another lot, that Robert Toyer 423 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 4: who's coming back from You wouldn't play that premiership players exactly. 424 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 4: Which is the point? Next year will they be a 425 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 4: better team? And we've known in the past the Roosters 426 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 4: don't start the season thinking premiership. 427 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 5: Filthy on five point fifty when he knows Stefano's getting 428 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 5: off at eight hundred, Well, this is from. 429 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: Our He's not definitely on five fifty. It's an estimation. 430 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: So we're pretty close. But yeah, I mean, like what 431 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: a play. 432 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 2: Jared. 433 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 5: Jared's got like a like an Andrew john Star that 434 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 5: when he doesn't play the Rusters, you know, seem to 435 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 5: struggle a little bit. He's he's massive, Like that's an imprint. 436 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 4: There comes a time, don't they You have to roll 437 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 4: it over with Lindsay Collins and Spencer and they're all 438 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 4: May and then they've got you know, young Sewe Wong 439 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 4: and guys like that coming through. They enough upgrades, but 440 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 4: he used to keep them. 441 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: It's true. 442 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: It's very unusual to well, as far as I can 443 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: remember the Rusters having so much money spent. You know, 444 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: like normally they're they're pretty locked in with their with 445 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: their roster and they've got significant recruits that they've already 446 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: purchased before going and the next season. 447 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 4: Maybe they have the faith in the kids coming through 448 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 4: because they have to upgrade them and so there won't 449 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 4: be that much money. 450 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: They'll still want a half. I'll still want whether like 451 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: do you reckon? 452 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 5: That's the key ones you Saard what I'm talking about. 453 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: Keep the money there for a half. You're losing a 454 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: leader in the forward pack. 455 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 5: You're losing one of the world's best centers, a young 456 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 5: talent on the wing. 457 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: And they need a good center and a half. 458 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: So there's desk goes off end of next year as well, 459 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 4: so there's a bit more money. That's a loom. And 460 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 4: who knows if Sowali will come back? 461 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: Sure, well, is this a prediction. 462 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: There's a bit of there's a bit of talk that 463 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 4: maybe it won't If it doesn't work out in rugby 464 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 4: union and he's he said he will come back to 465 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 4: the Roosters at one point. 466 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: All right, Crawls the beef of the week. You're agreeing 467 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: with Shane Richardson? Was it today? 468 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 4: He's that happens? 469 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: I know. That's why I'm it's here, why you are. 470 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 4: I just thought on the Stefano going to Melbourne business. 471 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 4: I think the Tigers have a genuine concern and their 472 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 4: fans would have a genuine concern. And there is skepticism 473 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: out there when a player leaves one of the bottom 474 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 4: clubs and goes to a top club and takes less money. 475 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 4: And I get that Stefano would want to be coached 476 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 4: by Craig Belliman, he'd want to be in that system. 477 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 4: But I think from a fans perspective, and I've said 478 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 4: this for years, I'd love to see the day where 479 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 4: we have a transparency in the salary cap. We worked 480 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 4: to a salary cap, and most industries in the public, 481 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 4: like the ambulance officers, the nurses, the teachers, all the 482 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 4: public officials, we know what their salaries are. It's not 483 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 4: a problem over in America with the NFL and the NBA. 484 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 4: I just think it would clean up a lot of 485 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 4: skepticism about the salary cap if we could publish the 486 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 4: wages and full well, it's not just a knock on 487 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 4: the big clubs either, it's actually showing the battling clubs 488 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 4: how you can do it better. 489 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: The issue is Shane that he wants to see the 490 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: evidence of how much. 491 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 4: Think that's that's what it said. 492 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: But isn't that the NRL. 493 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: The NRL asked for that, They the NRL know, So 494 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: what does that Shane can find out? 495 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 5: What is it going to prove? 496 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: I don't know if he can find out, both because 497 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 4: I know the circumstances last year with when when Canberra 498 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 4: basically put in the same request when Jack moved to 499 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 4: South they were told mind your own business. They didn't 500 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 4: get they didn't you get told. 501 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: The NL should have to tell the club that he leaves, 502 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: they should have to expose or identify what money he's on, 503 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: exactly where it's coming from. 504 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: I do believe that's okay. I don't think all the. 505 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: Fans needs into the game, I truly do. I think 506 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 4: the fans buy in and and and the fans from 507 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 4: the Tigers haven't had a lot to celebrate of late 508 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: and I don't think if it happens in major sports 509 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 4: around the world, I just can't see it. 510 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: Shouldn't they're on thirty and forty. 511 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 4: It's like it's but sometimes you've got million people in 512 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 4: America and these guys are pretty well parted. 513 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: I think it can be embarrassing for some guys on 514 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: on one they can be jealousy in the dressing room 515 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: because don't forget in Super League, but every every single. 516 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 4: It's a sport. It's a support that works to a 517 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: salary cap And do you think and if you don't 518 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 4: have faith in the salary faith in this. 519 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 5: Do you think it helped Luke Brooks every week when 520 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 5: we spoke about how much money is on not how 521 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 5: we play. 522 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: We still speak about the money though, mate, we still 523 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 4: we Like the Daily Telegraph puts out an NRL rich 524 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: one hundred every year. Everyone speculates about what a contracts worth. 525 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 4: What's the difference about actually knowing what it's I don't know. 526 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: What your on. I don't know what your I don't 527 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: know I don't ask salary, I don't ask. 528 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 4: But we're not. 529 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: As long as the clubs know. As long as the 530 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 2: clubs know and it's to the. 531 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 4: Rules of rich I is saying they don't know, but I'm. 532 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: Saying they should. I agree with you on that tat. 533 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: I just don't think everyone needs everyone's again. 534 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 4: Has a right to know anyone's way. 535 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 5: But like, do you think it'll help out the fans 536 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: about the struggling clubs to go? We can't compete, but 537 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 5: we're on the same amount. We pay our players the 538 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 5: same amount. 539 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 4: He leaves the club, then it's none of that club's business. 540 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 4: He has made a decision to go. I don't see 541 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 4: why the club that he's left has any right to 542 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 4: demand to know what he was paid. Off your books. 543 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 4: He's off your books. I don't ask what you're on. 544 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 4: I don't ask what you're on. I don't think anyone's 545 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 4: got that. 546 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: Right in life. 547 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 4: There are certain things in life that are private, and 548 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 4: your wage is one of them. I guess hypothetically too. Look, 549 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 4: we don't know what the circumstances are with Stefano's contract 550 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 4: in Melbourne either, but it would also come down like 551 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: the salary cap is. It's a year by year thing, 552 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 4: isn't it, And you can save a little bit of 553 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 4: money and paid off this year. But if he goes 554 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: to Melbourne for way Unders next year and they manage 555 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 4: to keep Nelson and they keep Christian Wolfs and they 556 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 4: keep everyone together. Are they playing that season over the 557 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 4: salary cap? But now it is up to the NRL. 558 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 4: But I'm saying from a fan perspective, Mate, a little 559 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 4: bit of transparency wouldn't hurt. 560 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would take the innu end out. 561 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: But I just think that the ERL should be transparent 562 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: to the people that need to know, not the fans 563 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: don't need to know that my. 564 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 5: Path do they still do? They still put a price 565 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 5: on players. They do, don't They Like if you play Origin, 566 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 5: you can't go sign at a club for two hundred 567 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 5: so that you want to take me. 568 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: There's a market value market value. 569 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: But again I think I think fans would be surprised 570 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: with some players going to other clubs for less like 571 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: they do do it. I know most of the guys 572 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: I look after are at their clubs because they love 573 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: the place and they could get more elsewhere, but they 574 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: love where they are, you know, Like. 575 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: It does happen. 576 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: People struggle with it, right, but at the end of 577 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: the day, you look at the West Tires, it's an 578 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: absolute basket case. And if I'm looking after a player 579 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: at the moment, the one that was thinking about going there, 580 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: you hesitating and you go on somewhere else for less. 581 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: That's the reality of it. It sucks, but you know 582 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: what it comes down. 583 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: It comes down to leadership, and it comes down to 584 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: to looking after your club and doing the right thing 585 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: by the club and setting the culture and performance and 586 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: everything so that this doesn't happen. You know, Like we 587 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: can look at prices and money and values and all that, 588 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, these guys have 589 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: been going around in circles for ages and rich has 590 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: got the ships, but really they've got no one else 591 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: to blame but themselves. 592 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: I actually think it would give a bit of clarity 593 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 4: though to and again there it wouldn't be a bash 594 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 4: up on the big clubs. It would show what good 595 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 4: Anyone asks the players what other players are running, they 596 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 4: might say, well, they're paying them too much, and you 597 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 4: can see where their their salary cap has being been 598 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 4: out of shape with the players like their wages exposed. 599 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 4: They don't run the game. They do what's in the 600 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 4: game's best interest. How they should How much further do 601 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 4: we deal with into their lives and what's next do 602 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 4: we started out find out what they're being paid publicly? 603 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone has that right except the player 604 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 4: and possibly the agent. 605 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: All Right, Karen Forum will notch up throughout the games 606 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: this weekend. And it's been a hell of aerie for 607 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: the veteran half. 608 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 8: You know, I've been fortunate enough to, I guess, stay 609 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 8: in the grind of it for so long. And yeah, 610 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 8: I guess in moments like this, in milestones, you're able 611 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 8: to reflect on your journey. I did walk away in 612 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 8: twenty sixteen. I certainly thought my time had sort of 613 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 8: come and gone, you know, as an NRL player. I 614 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 8: guess took a lot for me to come back into 615 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 8: this journey and keep persisting. But at the end of 616 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 8: the day, I knew that that's what was best for me. 617 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 8: And yeah, since then, there's's been plenty of challenges to overcome. 618 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: Kieran four and three hundred NRL games, and what a 619 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: warrior he has been for our game. I mean he 620 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: mentioned challenges and the injuries that he faced. You know, 621 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: he's had such a great career. At times, it's been 622 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: tough for him because of the injuries and form. 623 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: Slumpson, but he just powers through. 624 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he come in and worked on Saturday and 625 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: I think it was super Saturday in here, and I 626 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: reckon he has limping around, you know, because he just 627 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: gets up every week and just delivers on the field. 628 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: But his body, he's definitely struggling, but he powers through. 629 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 4: Is there a tougher playmaker who digs into the line 630 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 4: consistently like that bloat pound for pound? I don't think 631 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 4: there's a tougher pob in the neral and he's been 632 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: doing it for so long. I love Kiaran for and 633 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: the way that he exploded onto the scene in that 634 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 4: twenty eleven season when him and Cherry Evans were just 635 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: kids and they and they went all the way and 636 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 4: he just he did everything at a thousand miles an 637 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 4: hour when he came through with the Stuart Brothers. And Yeah, 638 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: there were some moments in his career where he had 639 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: injuries and other off field issues, but he's fought back 640 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 4: from that and he's gone up to the Titans and 641 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 4: he's picked himself up again and he's playing great football 642 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 4: and he's just been a credit to the game the 643 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 4: whole way through. Yeah, I love him. 644 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 5: Titans often, but his leadership would be like you're right, 645 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 5: Like when he walks around after a game. 646 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: It's horrible. It's like he's been hit by a car. 647 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: He limps around. 648 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 5: But for the young kids to see what he puts 649 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 5: his body through every week to get on the field, 650 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 5: that's leadership right there. He's been amazing for the for 651 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 5: the Gold Coast times and for those young kids when 652 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 5: he plays were a much better side. 653 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: It sure has him. 654 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: Good luck this weekend, Kieren, You've been absolutely amazing for 655 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: our game. 656 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: Now this week Oh that's my favorite part of the week. 657 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: Actually, bulldogs, Bye bulldogs Bye. 658 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: You like it? 659 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: Don't you break love it? You're going have every morning 660 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 4: and just go straight to the payment. 661 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: Not every morning now, but tomorrow. You look at the dog, 662 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: look at the dog. You said you seen the dog 663 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: and the dog on the screen. 664 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: Yew, you've done a story tomorrow. 665 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 4: I've done a story tomorrow. 666 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: Aging half back, aging halfbacks. 667 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: It's about thirteen half backs or halves in our game 668 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 4: that are aging. And the point I wanted to make 669 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 4: was in a couple of years time, they will simultaneously 670 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 4: leave our game and it's going to leave a void, 671 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 4: which is seismic, just as we're going into an expansion 672 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 4: competition too, more money, more eyeballs on the game, and 673 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: obviously more players. So as much as I admire how 674 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: well they're all going at Cherry Evans, your Ben Hunt, 675 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 4: you're here and four and I just wonder, inadvertly, are 676 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 4: they damaging the next era by staying around so long? 677 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 4: And these kids aren't coming through and we're going to 678 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 4: be left with this big hole in a couple of years. 679 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: Well, they have to stay around because they're they're the 680 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: best halves at the moment. 681 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: But you're right, I can't wait to read it, and 682 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: now you explain it. 683 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: But clear, with the exception of Cleary, you know, DCE, Townsend, Reynolds, Hunt, 684 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: they'll all be gone within three years, most likely. 685 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: Will Sean Johnson's gone. There's going to be a big 686 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: gap there is. 687 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: There's some young guns coming through, but as we've come 688 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: to know, it takes these halves quite a while to 689 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: get to their best, normally late. 690 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: Twenties, early thirty. 691 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: So it is going to be interesting in that transition 692 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: over the next few years. 693 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 4: In some respects, I actually think it's better for the 694 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 4: younger players to have a little bit more time to buide. 695 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 4: Like you've got young Jonah Pezzant down in in Melbourne 696 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 4: and he has a chance to learn off senior helves 697 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 4: and his opportunity will come. And like Brace said, the 698 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 4: majority of the really good playmakers, with the exception of Nathan, 699 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 4: reached their best in their late twenties early thirties. 700 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: Well, you look at Toby Sexton now, the way he's 701 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 5: playing this year to where he was in. 702 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: The last couple of years. 703 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 5: Make you look at sat Walker, I mean, and then 704 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 5: he was one of the best young cunts. He's a 705 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 5: much better player now and he'd probably admit that he's better. 706 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 5: I think that we judge the halves really harsh, and 707 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 5: the greatest halves that I like, Ricky Pastor, Lorrie elf 708 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 5: pastor Wally lewis like really young in their careers. So 709 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 5: and a lot of kids, like when you go to 710 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 5: the park, they all want to play number one. I 711 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 5: think that's the sexy position at the moment, and you 712 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 5: want them to wear the seven. When I grew up, 713 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 5: you wanted to wear six, seven or thirteen or like 714 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 5: eight it was. But now a lot of the kids 715 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 5: want to wear one. So there is a big hole there, all. 716 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: Right, what I'm crawls at four? I am to read 717 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: that article. 718 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 4: Three dollars you can have that up. 719 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: It's the players respective with Justin Hidges and Mitchell Pierce 720 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: and this Sunday Israel at to Sanya Lights have become 721 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: three time world champion against Dragons due plus c Order 722 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: it now at main event dot com dot are you