WEBVTT - The Media Show | 6 June 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:03.480 This is the Media Show. 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:04.760 With Jack Outing. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.000 Hello, and welcome to the Media Show. Tonight, we'll break 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.360 down the media's reaction to the Trump Musk feud and 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:17.160 chat about activist journalists with media watchdog columnist Jared Henderson. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.320 But first, you have to feel sorry for the ABC. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.360 Sometimes they've stoked such a captive audience that the rusted 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.800 on lefties watching will not even tolerate if our host 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:29.040 has good manners. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.760 Other businesses, trusts, and other investment classes. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.240 All right, well, we'll have to have to continue this conversation. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.560 It's a complex topic, but I'm glad to have you back. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.840 Thank you very much, indeed, Tim for speaking to us tonight. 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.040 Thank you. Sarah. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.120 You have to be a special kind of person to 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.960 take issue with that. But unfortunately for poor hosts Sarah Ferguson, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.320 that's a serious chunk of her viewership. And these people 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.560 often washed up journalists themselves and anonymous viewers. They linger 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.680 on the cesspool that is Twitter to attack any ABC 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:05.120 journalist deemed to be polite to a conservative politician. Former 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.760 Press Gallery journalist Jeff Kitney was shocked at her manners. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:10.119 He said, what an. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:14.160 Extraordinary thing for a senior ABC political journalist to say, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.399 and this Twitter troll Keith Sutherland said he was absolutely 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.800 appalled by the five words glad to have you back. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.000 The bye shown by our once great ABC is absolutely 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.000 disgusting and it's time for Albow to make some changes 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.959 at the top and board. And poor Rold Margaret well, 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:40.319 she's simply given up. I just can't watch it anymore. Well, 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.800 joining me now is this week's panel Radio two Double 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.440 Sea host Stephen Senna Tiempo and of course James Willis 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:47.920 of the Daily Telegraph. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.320 Now, James, let's start with you. What am I missing here? 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:55.040 Sarah Ferguson is all of a sudden, some biased right 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:55.880 wing flack. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.240 What's happening? 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.000 It's funny because when you played that grab, I had 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.760 to stop and wonder what the actual issue was, and 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.360 you'd have to listen pretty closely to even uncover where 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.040 any sort of perception of bias is. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.560 I mean, this is ridiculous. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.520 It's the same thing that used to happen with Lee 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.360 Sales and I think seven point thirty in Fairness is 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.760 probably the best program on the ABC and Lee Sales 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.720 used to copy this, just as Sarah's. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.520 Coppying it for you. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.720 Know, being really really harsh with her questioning on the 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.200 government of the day, which is the Albanesi government, and 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.600 in this case, a little bit of politeness to someone 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.920 that's just had to fight tooth and nail after losing 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.440 your seat, and then a fierce sort of count over 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.080 many days to say well done, great to have you back. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:41.679 I mean, it's just ridiculous. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.640 Where is the outrage over the bias at the ABC shows? 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.800 On a daily basis, We've had high profile ABC presenters 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.200 post for selfies with ministers in the Alberaneesy government. People 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.640 seem to be okay with that, some of the left 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.520 leaning approaches they've taken. I mean, for something like this 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.560 to blow up just indicate it's how ridiculous some of 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.600 these people are being. I think it's crazy. And for anyone, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.240 even littlone, a former Press Calorie person, to be upset 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.200 by this is beyond the pal You can't even believe it. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.720 Yeah, Stephen, there seems to be this enormous amount of 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:19.240 pressure that some of these ABC presenters face to not 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:24.000 be moderate, to actively be antagonistic towards conservatives. And then 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.840 when I'm looking at this and watching this and seeing 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.480 that they're probably seeing the shares and the comments and 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.919 the likes. It might actually have some kind of an impact. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.840 It probably does, But they've made a rod for their 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.600 own Backjack. You know, the reality is that the inmates 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.640 have been running the asylum at the ABC for so 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.360 many years they've created this left wing utopia that that's 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.320 what their viewers expect. But to poor Margaret, I know 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.680 exactly how she feels. I can't watch it anymore either, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.720 and she's welcome to come over and watch us here 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:53.120 on Sky. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.360 But I think you're being. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.040 Very generous to Tim Wilson, calling him a conservative politician 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:57.560 by the way. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:03:59.960 Yeah, well that's a good point. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.240 Maybe a debate for a for another time, because moving on, 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.640 those two royals who demand both privacy and public adoration 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.920 in the form of social media likes have made a 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:11.720 headlines again. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:22.600 Down Jack Down, Down, Down, went up. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:30.120 Down Wama Tumapa. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.320 So what exactly do they want? Do they want to 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.000 be TikTok stars or do they want privacy? Now, Harry 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.200 just tried to sue his way into getting taxpayer funded 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.520 police protection whenever he is in the UK. One of 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.320 his arguments was media intrusion et cetera, and the safety 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.680 of his family because of the fame his birth afforded him. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.920 Now that doesn't work if you were actively trying to 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.760 boost your profile with weird dancers, and it is probably 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:00.160 why the courts decided this. 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.440 Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex has lost the later 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.280 stage of his court battle over the level of security 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.760 protection he receives in the UK. His taxpayer funded protection 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.480 was downgraded five years ago. The Duke says that as 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.120 a result, it's too dangerous for him to bring his 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.080 family to the UK, citing what he says is unjustified 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.640 and inferior treatment. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.160 How much contempt for the average taxpayer must you have 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.040 to demand that they pay for your luxury lifestyle in 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.640 the middle of a cost of living crisis. Let's bring 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.080 the panel back in to discuss, now, James. One thing 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.920 that strikes me with this is, and look, we were 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.400 just talking about it with that other story about the 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:46.040 cesspool that can be social media, and I do think 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.960 ABC journalists make a mistake pandering to that crowd and 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.719 then they complain that they're getting bullied or harassed by 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.680 that exact same crowd. Get off there and don't tweet 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.080 would be my solution to that. But the same thing 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.240 with Harry and Meghan. Here, you've got these people, people 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.800 who this cognitive dissonance that they must be living through, 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.800 where basically they want to be left alone, but then 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.200 they also are out there provoking and wanting and craving 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.680 likes and attention on these same platforms. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:21.200 What are your thoughts, Well, they're delusional and the hypocrisy 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.320 here is just unbelievable. And I think also based on 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.200 that legal case, to officially cut ties with the royal 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.920 family and then be expecting the taxpayer to pick up 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.159 your bill for security and continue part of the free rider. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.840 I mean, you can't have a bit each way. If 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.000 you're not involved in the royal family anymore, that's fine. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.560 Don't expect the taxpayer to pick up the bill if 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.360 you feel unsafe. But it's one thing to constantly say 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.240 we want privacy, we're a private couple and a private family, 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:52.840 but then everything that they do indicates that that isn't 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.280 the case. They've had Netflix deals, they've written books. The 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.680 video and isolation, I think if it was a one off, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.279 you'd was quite acute interactional, though the music was pretty corny, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.640 but it's just another example of these people claiming to 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.760 be one privacy and to continue on their own way, 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:10.520 and then I mean. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:11.440 It's just not the case. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:16.160 It's a really, really sad chapter in the royal family. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.240 But the goal that they have to sort of be 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.040 asking for treatment and also doing the opposite is next level. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.840 I don't think we've seen anything like this in the 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.360 history of the UK Royal family. Jack, Yeah, I do 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.160 love it. It's good content. Stephen, what do we think 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.720 of the dance though? The real big question? 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.560 Well, I was just going to say, so we finally 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.160 found something that the Duke and Duchess of Montecito are 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.520 worse at than being royals, and that is dancing. I mean, Faedickham, 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.160 you know, look, this is I think James hit the 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.520 nail on the head here. They don't want to be royals, 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.880 but they want to be royals. They go out there, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.240 they leak to the paparazzi, so there's always somebody around 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.080 the corner taking photos of them, and then when the photos. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.880 Appear there so we just want to be left alone. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.440 Please don't take photos obviously, or stay out of the spotlight. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:01.960 It's easy. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.720 They've got their millions that but not as many millions 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.880 as they like, because obviously there was the drama about 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.680 not getting enough money from the king, of course, But 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.880 just go and live your lifestyle. You plant your among 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.360 beans in the backyard, go to the beach every now 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.160 and then, play with your kids, enjoy your life. I mean, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.680 they've got plenty of dough. And look, I'll give Harry 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.440 credit for the work he does within Victor's games, but 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:23.880 outside of that, just stay out. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:24.400 Of the spotlight. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.080 Or if she really desperately craves the attention, because clearly 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.880 they've got relevant deprivation disorder, go and make another series 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.120 of suits, or make a movie, or do whatever. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:35.760 Just leave us alone. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:41.439 Stephen, that the court decision aside, should they be getting security, 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.880 there is there a legitimate argument or a case to 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.360 be made that it is out of his control and 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.800 the public should pay for it. Look, there's a certain 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.959 to a certain extent, given his profile, there probably is 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.800 a higher risk than there is for you or me. 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.120 But they made the decision. They didn't want to be 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.319 a part of the royal family. They don't want to 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.200 do the work that the royals do, and to their credit, 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.400 working royals actually do work pretty hard. They've decided that 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:09.800 they don't want to do it, so you don't get 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:10.719 the trappings that go with it. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:11.480 It's as simple as that. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.439 Yeah, And not only do they not want to do it, 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.319 they want to commercialize their time. And you know, James, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:17.960 a lot of stuff that the Royals would do would 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.560 be charity driven, it would be advocating causes, but they're 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:26.199 spending their time monetizing podcasts, well, trying to monetize podcasts. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.559 I note that it can fall out of the top 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.199 one hundred, But do you agree with Stephen there on 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:32.200 the case for protection. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.040 Absolutely, and I think it applies to most people that 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.480 would get taxpayer funded security. If you're doing public work, 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.200 and if you're serving in the public interest, then there 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.199 would be an argument to have a car, to have 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.280 a security guard. But you know, as Steven has articulated, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.839 these guys wanted all of it. They wanted to not 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.880 be part of the royal family, not do the hard yards. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.160 And let's face it, I mean for the likes of 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.760 William and also King Charles and obviously the later Majesty 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.439 Queen Elizabeth, a large part of the job, the overwhelming 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.640 largest part of the job was public service and working 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.400 around the clock and traveling the Commonwealth and going to 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.040 all sorts of different countries and being involved in charities, 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.360 and you know, they did it, and they did it 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.920 without a fuss. But to expect that same sort of 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.959 treatment without having to do the hard yards is just 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.680 next level. If anyone should be paying for their security, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.080 it should be their TV deals or their book deals 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.079 or their podcast deals. Those big companies that are involved 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.599 in those could be picking up the check, but not 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:30.319 the taxpayer. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.520 Yeah, it's a good point, and I think when I 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.120 look at this, they want to be spoken about. They 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.560 just want to be spoken about in a very specific way. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.080 It's kind of this authoritarian control. So it isn't true 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.720 that they want privacy. They just want a very specific 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.640 type of media coverage that they're probably not going to 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.600 get on this show. But let's move on because TikTok 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.160 has taken out a series of ads in the nine 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.160 newspapers hitting back at the Albanese government's social media childband. 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:55.760 Now. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.880 The Australian's James Madden reports video sharing app TikTok fired 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.840 its first post election shot at the federal government last week, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.520 paying tens of thousands of dollars for a four and 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.199 a half pages of advertising in the NINO in Australian 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:15.760 Financial Review extolling this supposed educational and social benefits of 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.079 children who use the social media platform. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.760 Well, Steven, let's bring you back in. What do you 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:21.199 make of this? 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.760 They're obviously you know, it's the ByteDance owned company. It's 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:29.760 got links to the CCP. They are paying media companies 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.840 the AFR. Nothing against the AFAR for for accepting that. Think, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.560 I think that's a fair enough campaign. But they're running 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.360 these ads making the argument, putting forward the proposition that 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.680 there is a benefit for very young kids to use TikTok. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.599 Are you buying that? And what do you make of it? 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.520 No, Look, I'm going to take two sides of this 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.800 argument because I do think the social media band is 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.520 wrong because there were better ways to do it. Because 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.720 we've got a bunch of politicians that don't actually understand 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.559 what the problem is. They ignored advice from experts on 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.599 this and thought, let's just simply put a ban on 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.839 kids under sixteen or under eight and or whatever it 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.240 is being on social media. But fit he can leave 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.719 me out of TikTok being educational. I mean, what the 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.600 kids really know how to butcher pasta recipes and run 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.280 at one hundred miles an hour at each other in 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.480 some rugby challenge or you know, lean off the side 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:21.320 of buildings or whatever. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:21.920 I mean. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.199 I believe TikTok should be banned. But there's people in 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.439 this building now, if they're official phones, they're banned from 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.880 having TikTok on it because of its links to the CCP. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.240 And then our politicians go out and get a second 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.120 phone just to put TikTok on it. So you know, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.480 we are being led by idiots too. So yeah, there's 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.280 half a chance that these ads might actually work on 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:41.080 our politicians. 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.319 I have no doubt that ads work. James, let's bring 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.880 you in here. I actually agree with Steven. I think 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.720 that the social media ban is a bad idea done 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:54.000 by people that actually don't understand the digital environment. But personally, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.600 I do get the arguments against it, but I'm more 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.679 concerned by TikTok's ties and whether the individual case of 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.160 these individual platforms is appropriate for kids. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.240 Anyway. Do you disagree with us? What do you make 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.040 of it all? Yeah? 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.000 I don't agree with you guys, for the simple reason 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.240 that I think social media has become such a big 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.000 part of our lives now and such an influential medium 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:20.040 amongst young people. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:21.320 And that's for a range of reasons. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.600 From screen time and we know, look that the education 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.360 standards are in the toilet. You've got teachers saying that 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.400 there's phones in classrooms. Parents are having a nightmare with 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.800 this from a very early age. So I think there's 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.800 a screen time element. There's also an algorithm element. And 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.640 I think the social media platforms, not just TikTok, but 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.720 also Instagram and the others that have reeling and scrolling 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.559 sort of technology, like they've been given an opportunity to 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.480 clean up their platforms and keep the content as you know, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.920 appropriate as possible, and it just hasn't happened. There's sex 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.920 on there, there's violence on there. You know, there's every 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.640 possible you know, concerning element on these platforms that is 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.360 just seeping through into people's algorithms. So for that in mind, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.720 I think it's so big that it would be silly 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.679 for a government to not at least have a crack 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.000 at regulating it for people under the age of sixteen. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:14.640 In saying that, I think it's going to be a 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.160 very very hard thing to police and actually put in 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.680 place and keep up. But I agree with you guys 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.800 certainly on the links to the Communist Party in China. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.640 I mean, if government's officials are being told to not 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.880 use TikTok, it's been ban in. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.560 America, what advice do they have that we don't have, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:32.240 I'd love to know. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.880 Yeah, Steve, and I see you want to jump in there, Jack, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.080 Can I just yeah, jump just on that. And I 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.240 agree with what James is saying with the problems around 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.400 social media. But there were experts, We've got some of 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.680 the best in the world at protecting kids online in 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.480 this country who said to our government, we will tell 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.400 you how to do this a better way for free, 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:53.920 so that parents can actually have absolute control on what 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.400 their kids can and can't see online. And the government 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.360 ignored them because they didn't understand the problem. It was 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.200 just easier to go for the grab and say, look, 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.560 we're going to ban kids under eighteen for being on TikTok, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.800 despite the fact that we know we can't enforce it. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.000 We don't know how it's actually going to work. But 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.040 you experts that know how to do it, we don't 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.040 want to listen to you, because that might actually take 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.960 a bit of brain power. Yeah, look at it's really 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.720 interesting argument, guys. But James' final word on it, and 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.280 then and then we'll head to the next. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.160 Well, I'm open to all ideas, and I always think 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.280 there is an underbelly of banning something completely. But I 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.480 just think like for the government, for the Albanezy government 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.080 and also for Peter Dutton to put this on the 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.680 agenda and start working through it, I think is a 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.560 step in the right direction. But I do agree that 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:40.920 the devil will be in the detail. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.560 James Willis, steven Senta Tiampo, thank you so much for 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.720 joining and hashing that one out a quick break. But 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:57.920 when we return, Trump takes on muss. Well, welcome back 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.560 to Stars and Gripes, the show where we expose the 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.600 hypocrisy of the journalist elite in America. And what a 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.520 show we have for tonight. It is really the dream 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.560 situation for those activist journalists. President Donald Trump and Elon 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.240 Musk throwing barbes in what seems to be an increasingly 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.200 escalating petty feud. And I'm very happy because it gives 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.560 us plenty of content because when the leftist media feels 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.680 like they have a win. That's actually when they overreach 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.000 in the most extraordinary of ways. And what you are 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.360 watching on repeat on every channel in the world is 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.000 live coverage of these journalists salivating at the petty drama 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:40.520 now Gaza, Ukraine, the threat of nuclear escalation of the Russia, 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.680 Chinese submarines circling Taiwan like hungry hawks. None of that 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:49.320 matters because the boys we don't like are fighting, and that, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.080 at least for those at CNN, is the single most 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:53.880 important story in the world. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:54.320 Right now. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.440 We've been watching President Trump in the Oval Office with 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.440 the German Chancellor and a lot to get to here, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:08.399 but the most interesting and perhaps important issue, political issue 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:13.200 and policy issue is what President Trump said about his 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.960 now former friend. At least it seems Elon Musk and 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.040 I want to go to Elena Treen at the White House. Elena, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.040 it seems as though we saw kind of the unraveling 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.800 of a romance real time. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:31.280 Look at that smile. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.920 She can't even hide her elation. She is practically euphoric 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:35.439 right now. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:36.480 And I get it. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.200 It is very funny, but really, who did not see 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.920 that coming? Now joining me is the president of the 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:46.080 Center of the American Experiment, John Heindereker, John, what. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:47.879 A moment in history. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:52.680 You have walked into a very ferocious feud between two 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.240 people that I mean, really it was never going to last, 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:55.560 was it. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.440 Well, this is a sad situation. Honestly, it's an harassment 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.280 for the Trump administration and for the whole conservative movement. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.920 And I fault Elon Musk. I think his attack on 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:13.120 the Big Beautiful Bill was over the top and politically naive, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.760 and the things that he has been saying since, like 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:20.960 about Epstein and so on, completely nuts, just crazy. But 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.440 you're absolutely right. The liberal media loves to have a 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.320 distraction so they don't have to talk about all the 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.680 good things and the popular things that the Trump administration 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:31.680 is actually doing. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:33.600 Yeah, it's such a good point. 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.560 And I mean when I'm looking at the way that 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.240 the hosts are covering it and their faces lighting up, 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.520 it's almost like some journalists want things to go bad 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.720 for Americans, because then they were right all along. 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.000 Well, there's no doubt about that. They root for America 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.520 to fail, they root for our economy to go downhill. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.760 They scam the numbers that come out every month on 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.720 GDP and so forth, hoping that things are going to 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.480 be going down. They celebrate if there's a dip of 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.880 the stock market. They loved when Tesla stock briefly went 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.600 down significantly, which, by the way, maybe about to happen again. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.840 But you're right. They root for failure, particularly when we 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.320 have a Republican president. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:17.920 Yeah. Really interesting stuff. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.400 Well, moving on because as expected, the media has done 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.760 a little bit of sleight of hand with his story. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.680 And just last week we were told Musk was a 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.200 drug adult, mentally ill assault victim with a black eye, 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.800 who had so little credibility it was basically a crime 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:34.440 to have him work in the White House. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.440 It's kind of a rough last day in government for 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.720 Elon Musk, who showed up to the Oval Office for 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.159 some kind of send off with a black eye, just 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.440 hours after New Bombshell reporting on allegations of his voracious 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.159 drug use in a lengthy article citing people familiar with 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.399 his activities in New York Times reports that Musk's drug 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:58.440 consumption went well beyond occasional use. He told people he 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.000 was taking so much Kenmi, a powerful anesthetic, that it 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.040 was affecting his bladder, a known effect of chronic use. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:07.800