WEBVTT - How to write an award-winning book

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<v Speaker 1>The book isn't even out yet, so people haven't even

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<v Speaker 1>seen a winner of the Australian Fiction Prize on the shelves.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens next year if we get a thousand, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to recruit, you know, half of Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>to come in and do the blind reading.

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<v Speaker 2>From the Australian.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the front.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Claire Harvey and today we're curling up with a

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<v Speaker 2>good book. In fact, it's an award winning book, the

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<v Speaker 2>inaugural winner of the Australian Fiction Prize for an unpublished manuscript.

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<v Speaker 2>This story takes us to a hidden corner of Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>Mariah Island, off Tasmania's East coast, where porcelain beaches and

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<v Speaker 2>honeycomb cliffs meet the sea. There's a shipwreck, a girl

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<v Speaker 2>breaking free from the rules, and a journalist on a

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<v Speaker 2>search for the truth. Today, our litery editor Caroline Overington

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<v Speaker 2>joins us to step into this magical world and to

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<v Speaker 2>find out what does it take to write and knock

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<v Speaker 2>your socks off story?

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<v Speaker 3>Carolin, what is the Australian Fiction Prize.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the newest and the most exciting litterary prize

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<v Speaker 1>on the Australian Calendar, the Australian newspaper is the main sponsor,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the key thing that makes it so beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the prize is publication by HarperCollins Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>the leading Australian publisher.

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<v Speaker 2>This prize is for an unpublished manuscript, but you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to be a complete outsider to win. The winner

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<v Speaker 2>being announced this weekend is an accomplished science journalist who's

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<v Speaker 2>already written four books, but this is the one that

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<v Speaker 2>captivated the judges attention. Carolyn, tell me who is it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Catherine Johnson. She comes out of Tasmania. She's fifty

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<v Speaker 1>three years old, originally born in Risbone, and she has

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<v Speaker 1>written a book that is based on Mariah Island, which

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<v Speaker 1>is off the coast of Tasmania, and it's a wild

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<v Speaker 1>and extremely special place. The way that she's evoked this island,

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<v Speaker 1>the description makes you want to go there immediately. Although

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of Tasmania, it has of course that

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<v Speaker 1>very brutal history. It was the first convict settlement actually

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<v Speaker 1>even before Port Arthur, so it has layers of history,

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<v Speaker 1>layers of natural beauty. And now Catherine has set this

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful beautiful book there that the heart of it is

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<v Speaker 1>a young woman. She's eighteen years old. Her name is

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<v Speaker 1>Minn min Now. Min and her father live on Mariah Island,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has been absurdly protective of her, not allowing

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<v Speaker 1>her to grow and develop in a way that a

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<v Speaker 1>young woman should. And so you've got that sense of

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<v Speaker 1>a young girl coming of age in this wild place

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So thrilled. I'm so thrilled.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Catherine speaking to Caroline after she got the good news.

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<v Speaker 4>There's publication at the end of it, and there's an

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to hopefully connect with with readers, which is one

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<v Speaker 4>of the most wonderful things about writing, connecting with readers

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<v Speaker 4>and hearing what people made of it and what it

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<v Speaker 4>meant to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Tasmania also makes magnificent gin. But how will you be celebrating?

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<v Speaker 4>How will I be celebrating. I think I'll gather some

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<v Speaker 4>people together. That'll be nice. I'm just so delighted, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>so thrilled, and I'm so incredibly grateful because it's the

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<v Speaker 4>sort of thing that makes all the difference in a

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<v Speaker 4>writing career. So I'm just filled brimming with gratitude.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things great publishing houses like HarperCollins do

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<v Speaker 2>in collaboration with an author is to finesse and fill

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<v Speaker 2>it book title ideas until they land on one that

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<v Speaker 2>cojures up the right feeling and catches the eye amid

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<v Speaker 2>all the other books piled up on the bookshop counter.

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<v Speaker 2>That means the name might change again, but for now

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<v Speaker 2>this manuscript is tentatively titled A Wild Heart. With this prize,

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<v Speaker 2>Caroline and all the judges want this book to be

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<v Speaker 2>not just a literary achievement, but a wildly popular book

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<v Speaker 2>that frankly sells a truckload of copies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so crucial that we not only tell our stories,

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<v Speaker 1>but that we also hear our stories, that we read

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<v Speaker 1>our own stories. If you look at the top ten

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia, it's almost all foreign. It's American basically and English.

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<v Speaker 1>But isn't it great to tell our own stories? But

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<v Speaker 1>also we want the book to sell. We're not in

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<v Speaker 1>the business of doing our little niche prize. We are

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<v Speaker 1>in the business of creating a book that many thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of Australian people will read.

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<v Speaker 3>Why A Wild Heart?

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<v Speaker 1>Women are the backbone of the book trade. They buy

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<v Speaker 1>something like eighty percent of the books, and that also

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<v Speaker 1>includes all of the books that are aimed at men,

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<v Speaker 1>because women buy them as gifts for their husbands, partners, brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly at Christmas time. Now, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>women are buying and loving at the moment are stories

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<v Speaker 1>about their own agency, about their own development, about the

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<v Speaker 1>place they have in the world. Because at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>for women in the world, it's such a beautiful time

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<v Speaker 1>to be a woman. And so the idea that you

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<v Speaker 1>can break out of whatever the constraints you had your childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>your background, your education, and just not shoot the lights out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the era in which we're living, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why wild Heart really spoke to me. A young

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<v Speaker 1>girl who's growing up on a very barren, wild island,

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<v Speaker 1>but she has dreams, she has ambitions, she has hope

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<v Speaker 1>for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Women are writing books too, and they're also winning literary prizes. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I have spoken before about how after many

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<v Speaker 2>years in which women didn't win a lot of prizes,

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<v Speaker 2>now women are dominating the long listen the short lists

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<v Speaker 2>and the winners' lists of the big international literary prizes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also been the case here for the Australian fiction Prize.

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<v Speaker 2>You were one of the judges. Why were women's books

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<v Speaker 2>dominant this year?

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<v Speaker 1>We found the majority of entries were by women, and

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<v Speaker 1>our short list was majority female as well, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>our winner is female. It's a really interesting development and

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<v Speaker 1>I actually have an essay that we're about to run

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<v Speaker 1>in the Australian by a male author who says that

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<v Speaker 1>male authors actually right now feeling a little bit forgotten,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're quite right. In the olden days, they won

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<v Speaker 1>everything and they were the only ones who were published.

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<v Speaker 1>I did have somebody say to me, it only looks

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<v Speaker 1>like women are winning everything if you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>last five years, if you look at the last one hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>then it kind of balances out. And I guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>true as well. But the female dominance of the literary

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<v Speaker 1>world is definitely a story of the times.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you look at gender or was this completely blind?

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<v Speaker 1>I read the manuscripts blind and the reason that I

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<v Speaker 1>did that was because I felt that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>chance that I would know some of the entries, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was quite surprised we actually had a First Nations

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<v Speaker 1>writer on the shortlist. We had majority female. As you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a one male writer out of the seven

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<v Speaker 1>that we shortlisted out of West Australia who wrote a western.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote a Western set in West Australia, which I

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<v Speaker 1>really love with cowboys. His influences were like Bob Dylan

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<v Speaker 1>and Cormack McCarthy. But the standard across the board was

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly high. This was an enormously successful prize. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>the reason was we didn't prevent people from entering who

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<v Speaker 1>had already written a book, so we had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people on the shortlist and who entered who were

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<v Speaker 1>established writers. One woman had written twenty books before this,

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<v Speaker 1>some of themself published, some of the mainstream published. Catherine Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>our winner, has had four books published previously.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>How did Dodgers zift through towering piles of manuscripts to

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<v Speaker 2>find the genius? Well, I've got to you Caroline's books

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<v Speaker 2>pages in our review section. One of the reasons The

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend Australian is a beautiful analog treat.

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<v Speaker 3>There are reviews, author.

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<v Speaker 2>Interviews and stories that will make you want to add

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<v Speaker 2>a stack of books to your Christmas list.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back after this break. You had five hundred entries.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, how on earth do you get.

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<v Speaker 3>Through five hundred menu.

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<v Speaker 1>So the five hundred entries initially went to HarperCollins, the

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<v Speaker 1>publishing house, and they had teams of people working on

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<v Speaker 1>what would traditionally be called the flash pile. So all

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<v Speaker 1>the entries that came in were all read by someone

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<v Speaker 1>and they had like a yes or no, a maybe column.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've got a maybe column, somebody else came along

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<v Speaker 1>and had to read of it to see whether it

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<v Speaker 1>become part of the s pile. We narrowed it down

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<v Speaker 1>to seven books on the shortlist and those were given

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<v Speaker 1>to a judging panel. I was on the judging panel.

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<v Speaker 1>We also had a literary agent, which is really important

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<v Speaker 1>because literary agents play such an important part in ushering

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<v Speaker 1>new books into existence. We had a bookseller, which I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was really important because she knows better than anyone

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<v Speaker 1>what kinds of things Australians want to read. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we had experts from the publishing industry from HarperCollins. We

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<v Speaker 1>all met in a giant room at HarperCollins in Sydney headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>We sat there for many hours and we really prosecuted

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<v Speaker 1>the case for all the different books on the shortlist,

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<v Speaker 1>and because they were all by that stage brilliant because

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<v Speaker 1>they'd been culled from a pile of five hundred. It

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<v Speaker 1>was really difficult to decide. There were people who were

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<v Speaker 1>passionately about this book and others who were passionately about

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<v Speaker 1>that book, and so coming to an agreement about the

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<v Speaker 1>is a real process.

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<v Speaker 2>The way we respond to books is so personal and

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<v Speaker 2>often so emotional. It's about what we bring to that

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<v Speaker 2>experience of reading. How do you navigate that? When you're

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<v Speaker 2>a judge in a prize like this, where you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be impartial and also trying to think about how

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<v Speaker 2>other readers might enjoy something, do you you have to

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<v Speaker 2>try and park your own personal emotional reaction to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a heavy responsibility and you will always have

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<v Speaker 1>people who disagree with you. So, for example, when they

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<v Speaker 1>announced the winner of the book a prize, you always

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<v Speaker 1>hear people say, oh my god, I hated that book

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<v Speaker 1>or I couldn't finish that book, But why did that

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<v Speaker 1>book win? You have to be prepared to back your

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<v Speaker 1>winner absolutely, and there's no question that everybody that was

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the judging process loved this book.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me about what it was about Catherine's book

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<v Speaker 2>that made her the winner. Bearing in mind that I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of our listeners probably think that they

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<v Speaker 2>have an award winning novel in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think Catherine had the edge because she is

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<v Speaker 1>an absolutely beautiful writer. The setting on Mariah Island was gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>It had a beautiful Australian sensive place, and you're really

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<v Speaker 1>rooting for men the whole time, you know, for her

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to get the life she wants for herself.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the same time there's this secondary story, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a mystery which everybody likes to solve. It was accomplished, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>complete work.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Catherine.

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<v Speaker 4>Mercury passage was dark and torn, Bloodstone Beach almost gone

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<v Speaker 4>under the hurl of foam. All along the shoreline. The

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<v Speaker 4>pre dawn light had revealed bull kelp piled snakelike into nests.

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<v Speaker 4>A weedy sea dragon hung from Min's hand, shaggy with

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<v Speaker 4>leaf like appendages, and still colorful. It had been an

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<v Speaker 4>unexpected find, a thing of such rare beauty, coughta by

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<v Speaker 4>the sea. At first, she thought the stricken boat was

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<v Speaker 4>another wave slanting off the small granite outcrop in the

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<v Speaker 4>middle of the channel between Mariah Island and Mainland. Tasmania,

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<v Speaker 4>but the angles were and it remained after the waves

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<v Speaker 4>sank away. Without the sun, the palette was all blues

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<v Speaker 4>and grays, a wash of mauve. She zipped her nylon

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<v Speaker 4>jacket to her chin and wrapped her arms around herself,

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<v Speaker 4>waiting for the white caps to pass and the wind

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<v Speaker 4>squalls to catch their breath. Then a flare, the unmistakable

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<v Speaker 4>pink shock of it rising against the storm clouds, saltair

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<v Speaker 4>caught in the back of her throat. The flaming light

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<v Speaker 4>rounded at the top of its ark and latched briefly

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<v Speaker 4>onto the wind before parachuting into the water.

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<v Speaker 3>When can we read it?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping. I'm hoping you're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>read it by the middle of twenty twenty five. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the problems I think with the previous Vogel Prize

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<v Speaker 1>was it was published on the day it was announced,

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<v Speaker 1>so there wasn't a lot of time to do the

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<v Speaker 1>work necessary to really support the book and get book

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<v Speaker 1>clubs talking about it, get booksellers excited by it, get

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<v Speaker 1>reviewers ready to review it. With this, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>give it a lot of time because we really want

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<v Speaker 2>Caroline Overington is The Australian's literary editor. Artists of all

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