1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Daily Interview. I'm Sean Alma. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Today is, of course Anzac Day, arguably the most solemn 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and significant day on our national calendar. I wanted to 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: speak to someone who knows this better than most. Matt 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: McLaughlin is one of Australia's leading war historians, having published 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: the books Walking with the ANZACs and Gallipoli The Battlefield's Guide, 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: both considered definitive books on their subject. His latest book 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: is called The Cowra Breakout. But Matt is also founder 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: of Matt McLaughlin Battlefield Tours and has spent the last 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: fifteen years guiding guests around the places we learnt about 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: in school, the places where Australian troops fought and died. Matt, 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed. 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: Thanks Sean, good to be here. 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: What does Anzac Day mean to you? 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a great question. I mean it's the nature 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 3: of Anzac Day has evolved over the decades, and it's 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: probably evolved for me as well. As a kid growing 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: up in the bush, it meant a lot about community 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: and going down to the local service and watching the 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: veterans march past. As I got older and started studying history, 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: it became about actually walking the battlefields. But probably now 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: that I'm a bit older and I'm a father and 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: a bit of a family man, it's about spending time 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 3: with family and hopefully passing on some of the importance 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 3: of the day to that younger generation. So I think, 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: like for many people, the days evolved over the years. 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: For me, Okay, now what led you into this job 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: as a war history And you mentioned then that as 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: a child you grew up and you told me off 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: air you grew up in west Wylong, which is in 31 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: central West slash West New South Wales. Where I mean, 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: is it kind of watching that seeing that part of 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: history of your local town. Did that play a role 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: in you moving into what you're doing now? 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that played a big part in it. 36 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: Sean. 37 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: I grew up in a family where my grandfather had 38 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: served in the Second World War and his brother had 39 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: been killed in the Second World War, So the concept 40 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: of service and sacrifice in wartime was pretty well founded 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: in our family. And yeah, I think being in a 42 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: small community, I think on Anzac Day, seeing all those 43 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: veterans and participating in the march. I used to march 44 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: with my school and my dad was in the town band, 45 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: so you know, like all small towns, everyone pretty much 46 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: mucked in and commemorated where they could. And yeah, so 47 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: I think that was a really important foundation of my 48 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: interest in military history. But as I got older, it 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: was just something that went from a bit of an 50 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 3: interest to a passion and then an obsession, I would say. 51 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 3: So it's just something that's in my blood. I was 52 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 3: born to do, was to learn these stories. And now 53 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: it's great that I get to make up my career. 54 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: And now you guide people through battlefields. What are some 55 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: of the sites you've traveled to. 56 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: Well, that's a really lucky part of my job, Sean, 57 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: is I don't get just to read about it. I 58 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: get to walk the ground. Fantastic to do that and 59 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: actually explore the ground. So I've been pretty much everywhere 60 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 3: Australians fought. I've been to Korea, I've spent a lot 61 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: of time in Asia on the battlefields there of Vietnam 62 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: and Singapore and all through that region Thailand. But the 63 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: battlefields that draw me back are those First World War 64 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: bisattle fields, Gallipoli and the Western Front in particular Belgium 65 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: and France. Is always a really big draw for me, 66 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: and I don't actually personally lead that many tours anymore. 67 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: I've got a great team of historians that lead them. 68 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: But I really enjoy once a year I get to 69 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: go back on what we call the McLoughlin's Signature Tour 70 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 3: and lead a group of people around the battlefields of 71 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: Belgium and France. So that's always a highlight of my year, 72 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: and that's a very special battlefield to walk. 73 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Particularly today, let's talk about Gallipoli. What is it about 74 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been to Glipoli and it is moving. 75 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: I went there on a beautiful day, there was sort 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: of not a care in the world, and the emotion 77 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: of that place is quite phenomenal, and the Turkish people 78 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: do a tremendous job looking after it. But what it 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: is it about Gallipoli that just holds such a special place, 80 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: not just in our folklore but also exactly Gallipoli the 81 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: place itself. 82 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think you've landed on it, Sean. That 83 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: landscape is important in our understanding of the history, and 84 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: Gallipoli is pretty much unique in terms of a battlefield 85 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: in that it's still the same as it was in 86 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: many ways in nineteen fifteen. So because the terrain was 87 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: so severe and the peninsula is very isolated, it hasn't 88 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: changed very much. If you go to other battlefields around 89 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: the world, they reverted to farming and you know, positively 90 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: the life has taken over again from what was formerly 91 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: a wasteland of a battlefield. Gallipoli is different. You can 92 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: still see those cliffs, you can walk through the gullies, 93 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: you can tackle the tough terrain that the ANZACs had 94 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 3: to tackle. So not only is the story iconic, I 95 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: think every Australian and New Zealander who goes there has 96 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: these deep emotional connections with Gallipoli and the story, but 97 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: when you walk the ground, you actually are walking in 98 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: the footsteps of the ANZACs. So it's really quite extraordinary 99 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: and it's one of the most unique battlefields in the 100 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: world to visit. 101 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: What about the Western Front? And the Western Front is 102 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: one of those things you hear about at school all 103 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: the time. Where exactly is the Western Front and why 104 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: is that so important to Australians and New Zealanders. 105 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: The Western Front was the name given to the battlefield 106 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: France and Belgium during the First World War because it 107 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: was really from a German perspective, because Germany was fighting 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: on two fronts against the Russians on their eastern front 109 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 3: and against the French and the British on the western front, 110 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: and so we adopted the German name for the battlefields. 111 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: And the area stretches pretty much about an hour north 112 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: of Paris today you go, if you drove up from Paris, 113 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: it would take about an hour to get to the battlefields, 114 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: and it stretches from there all the way up across 115 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: the Belgian border all the way to the Belgian coast. 116 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: And the trench lines were fairly static during the four 117 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: years of warfare that were there, so the Western Front 118 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: didn't move very much, so there's still a lot to 119 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: see in that region. And Australians came there after Gallipoli, 120 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: so in early nineteen sixteen the Australians and New Zealanders 121 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: arrived and then for the next three years it was 122 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: some of their toughest fighting of the war. In fact, 123 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: the toughest fighting of the war. Their greatest achievements in 124 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: the First World War occurred in Belgium and France, so 125 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: Gallipoli will always be iconic, but the Western Front is 126 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: the place where the most Anzac sacrifice occurred during the war. 127 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: Are there other spots around the world that you think 128 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: we tend to overlook because Gallipoli number one, Western Front 129 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: number two? But we have fought in many theaters across 130 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: many centuries. 131 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, Australia's always been a very good citizen of 132 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: the world. And whenever there was a need for armies 133 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 3: to sail across the seas, Australia and New Zealand for 134 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: that matter, were always very active in providing troops. There's 135 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 3: some extraordinary places. I think one of the interesting things 136 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: is that the Pacific battlefields of World War II were 137 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: so important and so iconic for so many families, And 138 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: there's so many people around today who could tell you 139 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: stories of their father or grandfather fighting in those theaters. 140 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: And yet the Pacific is a difficult destination to visit. 141 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: It's not easy to go to some of these places, 142 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 3: to go to the Solomon Islands or New Guinea or 143 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 3: a host of other places in Borneo, all these other 144 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 3: places that Australians and New Zealanders fought during the war. 145 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: So I think for that reason as a destination, it 146 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: gets overlooked. I think we know the history very very well, 147 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: not many people are actually engaging with that history by 148 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: walking the ground. And I think the simple reason for 149 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: that is, at the end of the day, a battlefield 150 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: tour is a holiday. I I don't want to make 151 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: light of it, but it's a theme holiday. It's an 152 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: experience to go and walk the ground and to participate 153 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: in a very active and engaging form of travel. And 154 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: so people want to do that in destinations that they 155 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: want to visit. So most of our passengers are going 156 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: to Europe, to France and to Turkey and the UK 157 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: and Germany simply because those are wonderful destinations to visit. 158 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: So people tend to focus on those easily accessible destinations 159 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: that have a lot of cultural value as well. So 160 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: it's a little bit of an irony that some of 161 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: the historic battlefields where the Great Anzac legend was written 162 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: in the Second World War I don't get visited nearly 163 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: as much as the iconic ones from the First World War. 164 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: So it tends to take your tours. I'm interested now 165 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: that is it a younger cohort, Is it older Australians who. 166 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a real mix of people. 167 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: I mean, we're running guided tours, so the people who 168 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: naturally tend to do that are older Australians. They're the 169 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: ones that want to go and guided to as opposed 170 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: to free wheeling young people who want to do their 171 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: own thing. So as you would find in any element 172 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: of the travel industry, that's a fairly natural fit with 173 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: older Australians. 174 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: But there's also quite a few young people that go 175 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: as well. 176 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: So we lead a lot of school groups, we lead 177 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: military groups in terms of defense force groups. A lot 178 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: of young people just simply turn up on the tours 179 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: because they want to learn about it and they want 180 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: to travel with people that know what they're talking about 181 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: and can. 182 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: Show them the history. 183 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: So I would say that about a quarter of the 184 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: people a quarter to a third of the people on 185 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: a given tour would have a direct family connection. So 186 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: they may be following in the footsteps of their great 187 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: uncle or their grandfather, in some cases their father, if 188 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 3: there was a you know, if the maths works out 189 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: correctly with ages. But the majority of people are just 190 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: doing it because they're Australians who want to know about 191 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: this history and they've heard about it. They've grown up 192 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 3: attending Anzac Day services in Australia and they want to 193 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: actually walk the ground, and I love it when people 194 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: do that because people. 195 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: Who don't get it say, why would you walk the ground? 196 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: Why would you want to go and wander around farm 197 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: fields for a few days hearing about stories of death 198 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: and destruction. 199 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: But it does bring the history to life. 200 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: It's a cliche to say that, but it's a well 201 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: founded cliche that it does bring that history to life. 202 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: And there's nothing like actually walking the ground. So yeah, 203 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: we get a real mix of people on the tours, 204 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: but there's a real shared experience as well, because everyone's 205 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: there for the same reason. So it's a very engaging 206 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: trip that. 207 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: We run and just quickly. You also do tours of Darwin. 208 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I would love to do a 209 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: tour of Darwin. The bombing of Darwin. 210 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: Of course, Yeah, Darwin's a great one. Most people don't realize. 211 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people heading up there to go 212 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: to Kakadu and explore the wonderful cultural sites around there. 213 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: But there's also very rich World War two history related 214 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: to the bombing of Darwin or bombings of Darwin. Darwin 215 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: was bombed nearly seventy times during the war, and there's 216 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: a lot of things left over there. There's absolutely outstanding 217 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: museums that tell the story and a lot of World 218 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 3: War Two sites to visit. So that's always a good 219 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: one to go up, one that people wouldn't normally think of. 220 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: But in February every year we lead a tour up 221 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: to the battlefields to co the first bombing of Darwin 222 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: on the nineteenth of February nineteen forty two. 223 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: Matt, how are you spending today Anzac Day. 224 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: It's quite a busy one. I'm doing lots of media stuff. 225 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 3: I'm very fortunate that people are interested to hearing what 226 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: I've got to say on Anzac Day. But I also 227 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: find time to go down to my local war memorial 228 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: in Sydney and participate in a service, and that's always 229 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: very special. They're always very different every year at Anzac 230 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: many service very different from the previous one, and so 231 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: I always like getting down And as I said at 232 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: the top of the interview, as a kid growing up 233 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: in the Bush, that sense of community on Anzac Day 234 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 3: is very important to me, so I enjoy going out 235 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: and spending time with my local community. 236 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: Matt, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. Thanks 237 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: Sean That was Matt McLachlin, War historian and founder of 238 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: Matt McLaughlin Battlefield Tours. This is the Fear and Greed 239 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: Daily Interview. Join us every morning for the full episode 240 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: of Fearing Greed, Australia's most popular business podcast. I'm Sean Elmer. 241 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: Enjoy your Anzac day.