Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Good evening, and welcome to the program. James Borrow here
Speaker 1: is sitting in again for Paul Murray Live. And Wow,
Speaker 1: what a big show we've got coming up for you tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be here and I'm even more thrilled
Speaker 1: to have you here with me. Now, in a little
Speaker 1: bit we're gonna go hard on the CFMAU, the Greens,
Speaker 1: Matt Kean, Oh yeah, he's added again, and all the
Speaker 1: other big stories happening here in Australia with your Wednesday
Speaker 1: Night favorites, including Bronwin Bishop and Linda Scott right here
Speaker 1: in the house. But look, there is so much stuff
Speaker 1: coming out of the States right now, including the absolutely incredible,
Speaker 1: unbelievable excuses that US Secret Service brass are making for
Speaker 1: just how they happen to miss a guy climbing up
Speaker 1: a roof hoof one hundred or so meters from the
Speaker 1: former and likely future President Trump and then let him
Speaker 1: manage to get off several shots before finally being eliminated
Speaker 1: when agents return fire. Now I want you to watch this.
Speaker 1: Somebody has done a computer model to show just how
Speaker 1: close we came to losing Trump on the weekend. Watch
Speaker 1: this modeling of how he just happened to turn his
Speaker 1: head by coincidence, by divine intervention. You be the judge,
Speaker 1: just at the moment the would be assassin's bullet passed
Speaker 1: millimeters from his skull.
Speaker 2: Take your look, Corp, and.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean I get chills just watching that. But
Speaker 1: you know, even more chilling is the way the Secret
Speaker 1: Service is trying to wriggle out of what looks like,
Speaker 1: at the very best to be rank gross incompetence of
Speaker 1: the worst sort. Check out the excuse secret Service Boss
Speaker 1: Kimberly Cheedle is trotting out for her agents. And why
Speaker 1: there was no agent on that roof where the sniper
Speaker 1: took his shot.
Speaker 3: Should that roof have been secure?
Speaker 1: Period?
Speaker 4: That building in particular has a sloped roof at its
Speaker 4: highest point, and so you know there's a safety factor
Speaker 4: that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to
Speaker 4: put somebody up on a sloped roof, and so you know,
Speaker 4: the decision was made to secure the building from inside.
Speaker 1: It was a safety factor. You know, it was a slope,
Speaker 1: there was a tilt, It was dangerous, too dangerous for
Speaker 1: these people who go and put their lives on the line.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine this a slope. What do we say, sorry, kids,
Speaker 1: no present from santin this year? The roof is on
Speaker 1: a slope. Hey, maybe this is why they designed the
Speaker 1: White House with a flat roof all those years ago,
Speaker 1: because they knew down the road secret Service agents who
Speaker 1: take an oath to put their bodies on the line
Speaker 1: wouldn't slip and hurt their ankles or something protectingly the president.
Speaker 1: Of course, this doesn't make any sense at all. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense because if you look at this,
Speaker 1: the snipers that were behind Trump and shot the shooter
Speaker 1: were on a sloped roof too. Put that back up
Speaker 1: on the screen so people can see it, because seriously,
Speaker 1: what is going on here? Look, there's been more evidence
Speaker 1: that this has just been an incredible dereliction of duty
Speaker 1: come out of the last several hours that the war
Speaker 1: on competence, on expertise, on people who know what they're
Speaker 1: doing has taken a new and frightening direction. CNN has
Speaker 1: reported new details on the tempt a dissassination, including that
Speaker 1: that there would be assassin passed through a Secret Service
Speaker 1: checkpoint with a rangefinder and apparently nothing was done about it.
Speaker 5: We also understand that when he got to the fair
Speaker 5: grounds where this rally was being held for Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: the first thing that puts him on the radar of
Speaker 5: security people is near the magnetometer area where they're screening
Speaker 5: people in. He's carrying in his hand a range finder.
Speaker 5: It's a device that looks like a small pair of binoculars,
Speaker 5: but it's used by shooters to measure the distance when
Speaker 5: they're setting up a long distance shot. Because he didn't
Speaker 5: have a weapon, that would not have prevented him to
Speaker 5: go through security, but they did flag what does he
Speaker 5: have this in his hand for? At that point they
Speaker 5: told people keep an eye on this guy. But then
Speaker 5: he leaves the secure area, the staging area, and he
Speaker 5: doesn't turn up again for some time, until the crowd says,
Speaker 5: there's a guy crawling up the roof and it appears
Speaker 5: he has a rifle.
Speaker 1: Great, great work there, guys. Well, hey, he's got a
Speaker 1: range fighter. Nothing suspicious about that. I think we should
Speaker 1: just let him climb up on a roof near the president.
Speaker 1: And there's also this, and you know the physical damage
Speaker 1: that has been done. Trump's stinged up ear and the
Speaker 1: really tragic loss of a retired firefighter. The crowd, Well,
Speaker 1: that doesn't account for the political damage that has occurred.
Speaker 1: And I mean it's not hard to see how people
Speaker 1: really start to wonder if there is something more going
Speaker 1: on with this, especially when there seems to be no
Speaker 1: consequence for a horrendous series of errors. And for the moment,
Speaker 1: that's all we can call this. But if anyone from
Speaker 1: the Biden White House is watching this and not watching
Speaker 1: Morning Joe, which apparently is back on MSNBC. Now, let
Speaker 1: me give a few recommendations for the president. One, he
Speaker 1: should demand the resignation of Kimberly Cheedle, the head of
Speaker 1: the Secret Service, to make it absolutely clear there are
Speaker 1: consequences for this gross incompetence that there is right now
Speaker 1: zero downside and a lot of political upside if he
Speaker 1: really wants to reach out across the aisle. But we
Speaker 1: know the answer to that question with Joe Biden, he
Speaker 1: won't do that, which might be why he is in
Speaker 1: so much trouble politically at the moment. Let's go back
Speaker 1: to CNN. I know a lot of CNN tonight, but
Speaker 1: check out this bit of coverage from the Republican National
Speaker 1: convention a little while ago. Where they are now saying
Speaker 1: Trump is on track to win. Well, I'll let them
Speaker 1: tell you the number, but just remember this. You need
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy electoral votes to win the White House.
Speaker 6: So look at the map right now that gets Donald
Speaker 6: Trump to three hundred and three. And there's new polling
Speaker 6: today that shows the president's approval rating in these battleground
Speaker 6: states is below forty. The president's ballot number right now
Speaker 6: is below forty, and most of those states at it
Speaker 6: at forty two. In Nevada, it's very hard in sixteen
Speaker 6: weeks we count the vote sixteen weeks from tonight to
Speaker 6: turn that around. Plus Democrats are now worried. They think,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying this is going to happen. But what
Speaker 6: they're saying is the President's going to have to spend
Speaker 6: more time and more resources on places like Virginia because
Speaker 6: it's competitive, on places like New Hampshire because it's competitive.
Speaker 6: You look at this map as it plays out, and
Speaker 6: there are Democrats making the case, and we have Wisconsin
Speaker 6: blue here, let's move Wisconsin over here. There are Democrats
Speaker 6: making the case that Donald Trump is on a viable
Speaker 6: path as of today to get to three hundred and
Speaker 6: thirty electoral votes wolf or even higher, or even higher
Speaker 6: because they see other states in here. The Trump campaign says, Minnesota,
Speaker 6: the Trump campaign says, maybe New Mexico. Let's be cautious.
Speaker 6: Those are blue states traditionally. But the president's standing, his
Speaker 6: approval rating, his ballot number, people's views about how old
Speaker 6: he is, and people who view people who view the
Speaker 6: state of the economy are very bad for the president
Speaker 6: right now.
Speaker 1: Oh and speaking of the Republican National Convention in Swinging Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: I've got a little treat for you. Former Australian Ambassador
Speaker 1: to the US Joe Hockey is there right now for
Speaker 1: Sky News and he had a chance to come catch
Speaker 1: up with current Australian Ambassador to the US Kevin Rudd.
Speaker 1: Have a listen to this here when Joe Hockey tried
Speaker 1: to pin Kevid ron down run down on whether or
Speaker 1: not Trump's got this thing in the bag.
Speaker 2: It's clear that there is a momentum behind the Republicans,
Speaker 2: but it can turn, and you know the issue will
Speaker 2: be at this stage, if Conald Trump can say measured
Speaker 2: speech on Thursday night, he can win by seven points.
Speaker 2: If he gives an acrimonious speech, a traditional speech, then
Speaker 2: he's gonna bring Biden back into the fault and in
Speaker 2: a play, well send them.
Speaker 7: When you look at the new political chamber around President Trump,
Speaker 7: led by City Whiles, it's been a highly disciplined performance.
Speaker 7: We saw that evidenced here just yesterday when the President
Speaker 7: entered into this shall we say stadium of those who
Speaker 7: love him. There was an opportunity to speak differently.
Speaker 1: He chose not to speak.
Speaker 7: If that remains his campaign discipline for the period ahead,
Speaker 7: it becomes a formidable political challenge for the Democrats heading
Speaker 7: right through until the fifth of November.
Speaker 1: Gosh, he's being very diplomatic, there isn't he?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 1: And there was also this bit apparently Kevin Rudd is
Speaker 1: texting now with good old Trump's running mate JD. Vance.
Speaker 9: We've had what I described as a texting relationship for
Speaker 9: some time.
Speaker 8: And.
Speaker 9: I certainly read his book quite a while ago, in
Speaker 9: Liliberal Theology.
Speaker 1: It's a really.
Speaker 9: Provocate book in terms of the qualities he brings to
Speaker 9: this office. That's, of course a matter for American domestic
Speaker 9: political opinion.
Speaker 1: Is it that cute they're texting buddies now? Good old
Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd and JD Vattce. I love it. It's absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 1: And I know that Kevin Rudd is just doing his
Speaker 1: job here, but I also find it fascinating to me
Speaker 1: how Kevin Rudd is pivoting so hard now to being
Speaker 1: pals with the Trump team after being such a fierce critic.
Speaker 10: Remember this, this guy is a problem. He is an
Speaker 10: objective problem for the world, for the region, for my country,
Speaker 10: and of course not as an American, I will not
Speaker 10: comment and the problem that he represents to the United
Speaker 10: States domestically.
Speaker 1: So he's a buzzword. Yeah, that was Kevin Rudd on
Speaker 1: Donald Trump there. So it seems to be Kevin Rudd
Speaker 1: has looked at the polls here in the US a
Speaker 1: bit like puntered a nightclub looking at his watch before
Speaker 1: the ugly lights come up, and said, well, he better
Speaker 1: changes tune and take what he can get and start
Speaker 1: chatting up the Trump team. And hey, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be joined tomorrow night, by the way here on Palmery
Speaker 1: Live by Joe Hockey himself, So let me know if
Speaker 1: you've got anything you want me to ask him, and
Speaker 1: I'll bring that to you tomorrow night. Now, let's get
Speaker 1: into it right here, Broadwin Bishop, you know, Scott, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Now you've got I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this first. It's a Republican convention.
Speaker 1: You've got a little bit of convention memorabilia here. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we can see this here. Tell us
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 8: This is a scaff that I bought when I attended
Speaker 8: the nineteen eighty eight Republican Convention in New New Orleans.
Speaker 8: And of course that was the last time that Reagan
Speaker 8: made his big speech as president. And of course George
Speaker 8: Bush Sr. Was then nominated to be the the Republican nominee.
Speaker 8: And then I did, in fact go back for George
Speaker 8: Bush's inauguration, which was an amazing experience as.
Speaker 1: Well, fantastic, was a great bit of history. There we've
Speaker 1: got going on here. I love it. I absolutely think.
Speaker 11: It's fair glamorous.
Speaker 1: So glamorous is a nick glamorous. We love it. Now,
Speaker 1: let's get though onto this whole big story about the
Speaker 1: assassination attempt of Donald Trump, because I just think there's
Speaker 1: so much unpack here, and as the dust settles, the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories are coming out. As always, prominent American attorney
Speaker 1: Jonathan Turley has written a column this week saying that
Speaker 1: a Virginia professor named Sethunia Macoco has explained that the
Speaker 1: attempted assassination of Donald Trump was nothing but a ploy
Speaker 1: to get the votes of idiots. Bronwin. If we're buying
Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory that's being pushed by an American academic,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what, this professor's not alone. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing this sort of thing all over Twitter. This means
Speaker 1: that the Trump campaign and the Secret Service allowed a
Speaker 1: student from a high school to fire multiple rounds at
Speaker 1: the president in hopes it would miss him. Does this
Speaker 1: sound at all plausible to you?
Speaker 8: No, But these are the sort of people who probably
Speaker 8: believe that there was no moon landing either, so you
Speaker 8: know they've got their own fantasies. But there are other
Speaker 8: stories coming out from the other side of opposing those
Speaker 8: views that maybe that there was some inside job. So
Speaker 8: there are all sorts of rumors will always fly. But
Speaker 8: people saw it. I saw it, You saw it for yourself.
Speaker 8: And what has become incredible is the cover up of
Speaker 8: the sheer mess that was made of the proper protection
Speaker 8: of the former president. And when I heard that line,
Speaker 8: about the roof being too steep. I thought secret services
Speaker 8: are prepared to put their lives on the line, correct,
Speaker 8: but they can't stand on the pitch roof.
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, and it wasn't even all that pitch
Speaker 1: to roof.
Speaker 8: But but well, I'll say this, if if you follow
Speaker 8: di you might end up die.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's what a lot of people, including Elon Musker,
Speaker 1: saying here. But Linda Scott, though, one of the things
Speaker 1: that I find really fascinating about this year is that,
Speaker 1: you know, for the last eight years we've been told
Speaker 1: Republicans and the right they're all the conspiracy theorists. You know,
Speaker 1: they're all into QAnon and things like this. And it
Speaker 1: seems to me that in the wake of this, you know,
Speaker 1: terrible incident and a real tragedy because let's not forget
Speaker 1: a civilian who was out there exercising their democratic right
Speaker 1: to watch their candidates speak lost their life, that the
Speaker 1: left now seems to be or that some bits of
Speaker 1: the left, certainly on Twitter and other places, are now
Speaker 1: embracing these weird, lunatic conspiracy theories. I had someone this
Speaker 1: morning say to me, oh, come on, that was all
Speaker 1: a setup. And I'm thinking what's going on here.
Speaker 12: On former President Trump is truly shocking, and I don't
Speaker 12: think anyone who saw the footage or read about it
Speaker 12: could say anything other than that it's an awful episode
Speaker 12: of violence which we should absolutely and universally condemn. I
Speaker 12: do think that as we see poles showing that trust
Speaker 12: in government is declining, and let's talk about this. This
Speaker 12: is not just in the United States. It's really a
Speaker 12: global phenomenon. We need to think hard about, as people
Speaker 12: who robustly believe in the importance of democracy, what we
Speaker 12: can do together, actually all of us, to rebuild that trust,
Speaker 12: to ensure that people feel confidence in democracy, the system
Speaker 12: of democracy, that people are able to conduct themselves with safety.
Speaker 11: Certainly.
Speaker 12: You know, we have five hundred and thirty seven local
Speaker 12: governments in Australia and we have raised our concerns with
Speaker 12: the Australian Federal belief about the safety of councils, about
Speaker 12: the safety of elected representatives, you know, each week meeting
Speaker 12: in their town halls, making decisions in the public interest,
Speaker 12: facing increasing security threats even here in Australia, even in
Speaker 12: remote and regional areas. These are serious issues and what
Speaker 12: we've seen is violence against former President Trump.
Speaker 11: That is wrong.
Speaker 12: It should be strongly condemned. No violence is ever acceptable,
Speaker 12: of course, but there is a rising threat I think
Speaker 12: for political participants here in Australia as well, and it's
Speaker 12: important to have a discussion about how we together collectively
Speaker 12: restore trust in government, restore trust in the democratic systems
Speaker 12: that we know are so important for a well functioning society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, I mean I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: to what you have to say. What I mean Brown,
Speaker 1: And there was another element to this is that apparently
Speaker 1: this was Trump's security team that had been stepped up
Speaker 1: as a result of threats from Iran, and apparently this
Speaker 1: was their stepped uptives. So I mean, if this is this,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the sort of the B team
Speaker 1: would look like. But just to Linda's point, when you
Speaker 1: were an MP, how did you find security? Did you
Speaker 1: find yourself ever feeling yourself under threat? And what do
Speaker 1: you think about some recommendations from people like Mike Bazilla
Speaker 1: that actually we need to come back and look harder
Speaker 1: at security and refresh it.
Speaker 8: I think Mike Bazula was correct. There is a need
Speaker 8: to look again and that perhaps reflects on what you
Speaker 8: were saying too, Linda. But all of us in public
Speaker 8: life at some stage of being subject to threats of
Speaker 8: one form or another. Most of us don't talk about this. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but you and as Speaker, I was responsible for looking
Speaker 8: at the security of Parliament House and that has enormous
Speaker 8: problems because of the nature of the building.
Speaker 12: Yeah, although there have been since your time in Parliament,
Speaker 12: brom when it's fair to say a lot of changes
Speaker 12: under by governments, I might add, but you know, I'm
Speaker 12: sure you go there regularly now when you go to Parliament.
Speaker 12: It's a very different building here in Australia. You know,
Speaker 12: there's a lot more security. There's ballards, there's physical barriers.
Speaker 12: I remember as a child rolling down the roof of
Speaker 12: Federal Parliament House, which of course you.
Speaker 8: I will say that I was the person responsible for
Speaker 8: putting guards with long arms into the Parliament, which was
Speaker 8: needed at that stage. But the problem with the building
Speaker 8: is it was built for people to have access to it,
Speaker 8: in fact that you could walk over the top of it,
Speaker 8: all that sort of thing, and it has an enormous
Speaker 8: heritage protection. I can't tell you how difficult it is
Speaker 8: if you want to change something.
Speaker 1: Yes, you really have.
Speaker 8: And it's hugely expensive because there are fees to be
Speaker 8: paid to people. Yes, anyway, that's beside it. But I
Speaker 8: think too that we've had a lot of people talk about, Oh,
Speaker 8: we're going to be very transparent and we're going to
Speaker 8: be very open, and then they're not. And I think
Speaker 8: that's one of the things that it has become. I
Speaker 8: think a mark of what's happening is happening here in Australia.
Speaker 8: It's certainly happening in the United States with Biden. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean that cover up of his dementia for all
Speaker 8: those years. That is anti democratic because that man was
Speaker 8: elected to do that job and he can't do it,
Speaker 8: so somebody else is doing it. That's not the moment.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, This is the thing I'm
Speaker 1: really fascinated about, because you know, you mentioned Lindy, you
Speaker 1: talk about how people are, you know, losing faith in
Speaker 1: democracy or at least as the threat that they lose
Speaker 1: faith in democracy. Where where does that come from? What
Speaker 1: do you fix it? Because you know, that's a great
Speaker 1: point because we don't trust the White House now, we
Speaker 1: don't trust anybody if they won't come clean about something
Speaker 1: that we see with our own eyes. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people were put off by the way COVID
Speaker 1: was dealt with, in the way a lot of things
Speaker 1: that were they said a and actually be what everybody's
Speaker 1: saying was misinformation actually turned out to be true. What
Speaker 1: do you do to shore things up after things like that?
Speaker 12: Well, I think again, globally during COVID, no matter how
Speaker 12: governments handled this, we saw a sharp decline in people's
Speaker 12: trusting government, and.
Speaker 11: I think that is a worry.
Speaker 12: I think it is important that governments are more transparent.
Speaker 12: And again I say this in a very bad but
Speaker 12: it is important for them to do that, and it
Speaker 12: is important for governments to show integrity, to do everything
Speaker 12: that we possibly can to restore trusting government and trust
Speaker 12: in democracy. If you look at the long term polls,
Speaker 12: even just in Australia, you'll find that local governments are
Speaker 12: in fact the most trusted level of government because.
Speaker 1: We're no mine, not mine, not mine.
Speaker 11: I'll take views.
Speaker 12: Again, there's five hundred and thirty seven councils, but we're
Speaker 12: very close to our community.
Speaker 8: Our councilor's paid over seven hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 12: That is not right A We're very close to our communities.
Speaker 12: We're very accessible if someone wants to talk to me
Speaker 12: about a low issue. I can't tell you how many
Speaker 12: times I've just had a knock at my home door
Speaker 12: or as i'm you know, walking my children to school,
Speaker 12: stopped in the street to be asked about something. I mean,
Speaker 12: I do think that that accessibility. People say that you're
Speaker 12: human in local government and they have a lot of engagement.
Speaker 11: Well, let's higher levels of trust.
Speaker 8: That still happens to me in the supermarket.
Speaker 1: Let's move on there, because I want to come back
Speaker 1: to some of the stuff around the convention here, and
Speaker 1: I've found this whole interview that we've played a little
Speaker 1: bit of with Kevin right absolutely fascinating here and probably
Speaker 1: what I want to ask you about this now. The
Speaker 1: man who called Trump a trader to the West and
Speaker 1: blamed him for dragging America and democracy through the mud
Speaker 1: talk about trust in democracy here now stands as his
Speaker 1: number one cheerleader at the DNC. He's texting with Jdfans
Speaker 1: Bronwin Bishop. I mean, I get diplomacy, I get we
Speaker 1: want good representation for ourselves in Washington, d C.
Speaker 8: But come on, now, he's doing his best to try
Speaker 8: and Gabi his in that interview with Joe Hockey. I
Speaker 8: had to have a giggle. It did look like Sunrise,
Speaker 8: didn't it.
Speaker 1: And I mean, let's get get you, get you in
Speaker 1: on this here he's gone from a Trump hater to
Speaker 1: now being you know, probably have to at least play
Speaker 1: foot seat with team Maga.
Speaker 3: But he didn't say it was wrong.
Speaker 1: No, he couldn't say it was wrong. But you know,
Speaker 1: J d Vance, Let's be fair. Ja d Vance has
Speaker 1: had a big, you know, teleology going from being very
Speaker 1: anti Donald Trump to now being his vice president. Should
Speaker 1: we take Kevin right at his word on this look?
Speaker 12: I think that he's understood that he's gone from a
Speaker 12: you know, partisan political player as Australia's Prime Minister through
Speaker 12: to now an ambassador and that's a very different role.
Speaker 11: Of course, it's his role to act.
Speaker 12: In Australia's national interests and of course it's Ambassador Rudd's
Speaker 12: role to ensure he's doing everything he can to work
Speaker 12: with all sides of Parliament. I think, you know, people
Speaker 12: understand and respect that we've seen a former Prime Minister.
Speaker 11: Tony Abbott criticize Trump.
Speaker 12: We've seen all sorts lots of people criticize former President Trump.
Speaker 12: But you know it's in Australia's natural interest to act
Speaker 12: again with integrity to ensure that as Ambassador, Kevin Righty
Speaker 12: is engaging.
Speaker 11: With all different groups in the political process.
Speaker 12: Sure, sure, I don't think he is the first and
Speaker 12: I don't think he'll be the last to criticize or
Speaker 12: make comment on either of the major political participants in
Speaker 12: the US election.
Speaker 11: We have opinions in Australia.
Speaker 3: We like to share.
Speaker 1: Hey, and you know what I want to get you
Speaker 1: guys opinion on now biking Australia. The CFMU. Now, we
Speaker 1: have got further revelations about allegations and we have stress
Speaker 1: all just allegations about bribery, corruption, bad behavior on the
Speaker 1: part of CFM you officials, but we also have a
Speaker 1: fairly long history of people involved with all of these
Speaker 1: different unions being brought before various bodies and in many
Speaker 1: cases having convictions for various sorts of bad behavior. Broadwind Bishop,
Speaker 1: I just watched Tony Burke today and he kind of
Speaker 1: acted like, oh gosh, I mean, I had no idea
Speaker 1: that there was any problems with these sorts of things.
Speaker 1: That's all brand new to me. Did you buy that.
Speaker 8: I don't think anyone bought it. Not anybody. I mean,
Speaker 8: the CFMU has been well known as a body that
Speaker 8: has got people in it that are really bad people.
Speaker 8: And it is no surprise that the CFMU has been
Speaker 8: the biggest owner. One point nine million they gave when
Speaker 8: Albow became Leader of the Leader of the Opposition and
Speaker 8: then went on to win the election. But I took
Speaker 8: a look at the figures, I just found this very interesting.
Speaker 8: Sea Bus sea Bus Union founded by the CFMU was
Speaker 8: a founder the trusty company that organizes is called United
Speaker 8: Super Propriety Limited and on that board and there are
Speaker 8: a lot of people on the board, but three of
Speaker 8: them are CFMU. And they had their fees paid to
Speaker 8: the CFMU. And the amount of the total of the
Speaker 8: fees for the year twenty twenty three was two one
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty four thousand dollars. Now that went straight
Speaker 8: to the CFMU and the money goes to the Labor Party.
Speaker 8: Now there should be a break. Now when there's been
Speaker 8: called for a royal commission, it needs to be done.
Speaker 8: Bob Hawk had a royal commission. He deregistered the BLF
Speaker 8: in nineteen eighty six and he introduced legislation to do it.
Speaker 8: Now Burke today was saying, yes, he had the power
Speaker 8: to go to the Commission and recommend that it be deregistered. No,
Speaker 8: seize the day and bring in legislation. It'd be we're
Speaker 8: ordered by the opposition and d register that.
Speaker 1: This is the big union. This is the big question then,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is just about the board. This
Speaker 1: is about an allegation of crump.
Speaker 8: Right, I'm not alligating. There's no no question of crush
Speaker 8: the these people at all, except to say the money
Speaker 8: goes from the link into the c FMU, which then
Speaker 8: goes to the Labor Party. So and if you look
Speaker 8: at it, they made a grand profit after tax one million,
Speaker 8: five hundred and forty seven thousand, but the fees paid
Speaker 8: to the directors was one million, six hundred and eighty
Speaker 8: seven thousand.
Speaker 1: Well, so here's the question then, Linda Scott like you've
Speaker 1: got Labor saying, oh, you know, we've we've got all
Speaker 1: these problems here, we're going to do something here, We're
Speaker 1: going to appoint an administrator. But what do you register
Speaker 1: them like you know Bob Hawk did back in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five of the BLF. Now I don't know if
Speaker 1: I fully agree with you that we need royal commission,
Speaker 1: because we've had four of these things all round.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying you can have it, but they could
Speaker 8: bring legislation in now and do it.
Speaker 1: Sure, But I want to ask you, Lindasca, how can
Speaker 1: people out there watching today trust that labor which has
Speaker 1: such a tight financial relationship with unions and gets millions
Speaker 1: of dollars from them every year on a state and
Speaker 1: federal level. You've got this fox guarding the Henhouse situation,
Speaker 1: don't you look?
Speaker 12: I really disagree with that, as you'd imagine. I think
Speaker 12: we've got a very unusual situation today in Australia where
Speaker 12: we've seen the employer body for the construction industry, through
Speaker 12: Janita Warn and the head of the employee group Sally McManus,
Speaker 12: with the ACTU, both separately agreeing with the government's action,
Speaker 12: and that is to appoint an independent administrator.
Speaker 11: This is pretty unusual.
Speaker 12: That we see the employers and the employees agreeing on
Speaker 12: a course of action about corruption that is alleged a union.
Speaker 12: I think it is absolutely right that the government has
Speaker 12: reserved all possible actions that they can take, and I
Speaker 12: understand from reading in the newspapers. They'll make some further
Speaker 12: announcements about their path forward this week. But I think
Speaker 12: it is unusual and important to note that the Employer
Speaker 12: Organization and then Peak Employee Organization are both calling for
Speaker 12: the one thing, and that is to have an independent
Speaker 12: administrator come in and have a look at the union.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say that to be cynical, to be
Speaker 1: a little cynical, to be a little cynical. The employer organization,
Speaker 1: they've got to deal with these unions still and to
Speaker 1: get things done, to build things, so they're not going
Speaker 1: to want to rock the boat.
Speaker 12: Too much now in our nation's industrial system, which is
Speaker 12: designed to represent employees and employer, but it doesn't these
Speaker 12: groups are pitted against each other.
Speaker 8: But today the new legislation brought in by a mister
Speaker 8: b this.
Speaker 1: Is the fair workout, the new fair workout.
Speaker 8: The new legislation, which comes into effect on the twenty
Speaker 8: sixth of August, means that unions will have access to
Speaker 8: every small business. It means that these people in the CFMU,
Speaker 8: in the construction division will be able to go into
Speaker 8: small businesses. They can force people to.
Speaker 12: Do let's know, not to get that under the former
Speaker 12: nostrustal relations laws in this country also allow even if
Speaker 12: the CFU is stop the union allow them to continue
Speaker 12: to represent work, but just to start.
Speaker 8: And we think is the adage that they've negotiated will stop.
Speaker 1: So Brod, I want to ask you this solenda. Today,
Speaker 1: the CFMU put out a press release in the wake
Speaker 1: of all this saying that the government had opened the
Speaker 1: gates of hell or words to that effect by by
Speaker 1: starting up even the process of appointing Adminis it can
Speaker 1: do that? Does this? I mean this surely isn't helpful,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 11: I condemn that. It's the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 12: Organizations where there have been accusations of any wrongdoing should
Speaker 12: open themselves up transparently and should enable independent investigations. I
Speaker 12: mean it is wrong for them. It is wrong for
Speaker 12: the cfm AU to issue damning press releases like that.
Speaker 10: It is.
Speaker 11: Language, of course, it says it all.
Speaker 8: The CFMU is the inheritor of the b A leaf
Speaker 8: of course, and in that sense, I'm afraid what we're
Speaker 8: seeing is that they've built themselves up to be just
Speaker 8: as bad in that construction division as that ever was
Speaker 8: under well. I remember Norm going going to jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, anyway, let's let's let's let's let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: hold that thought. Let's go to a break. We're to
Speaker 1: come back with a bunch more stuff here. We got
Speaker 1: nuclear to talk about, gas, Matt Key to talk about,
Speaker 1: migrus to talk about. Here, Scott, bron and Bishop. After
Speaker 1: the break here of Palmary Live. Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 1: James Borrow here sitting in for Palmary Live in the
Speaker 1: Man Cave, joined here by Bronwyn Bishop and the City
Speaker 1: of Sydney Councilor Linda Scott. Thanks guys so much for
Speaker 1: being here. Now we're having a lot of fun here
Speaker 1: and you know we're going to talk about one of
Speaker 1: my favorite topics here, nuclear energy. Now, today we heard
Speaker 1: Chris Bowen, or Blackout Bowen as some people like to
Speaker 1: call him, ramp up the anti nuclear or as he
Speaker 1: likes to say, anti nuclear rhetoric. Have listened to this.
Speaker 13: The opposition blithely, and I must say arrogantly, ignores the
Speaker 13: data and facts from experts about the time and cost
Speaker 13: to build a nuclear industry for Australia and presents therefore
Speaker 13: a false future in Australia. Nuclear and renewables simply aren't
Speaker 13: compatible with each other.
Speaker 1: How can he get away with saying that nuclear and
Speaker 1: renewables aren't compatible with each other when plenty of countries
Speaker 1: like France, for one, really integrate their nuclears and fuel
Speaker 1: and their renewable sources really, really well.
Speaker 8: When you listen to Casanova Boen, yes, seriously, you can't
Speaker 8: believe a word he has to say. It's just partical.
Speaker 8: I saw a bit of him on television then it disappeared,
Speaker 8: but it was all this sort of stuff. We've done
Speaker 8: the work on nuclear, and I thought, why since you
Speaker 8: don't want it. But in any event, he then said,
Speaker 8: renewables are the cheapest because sunshine and wind are free,
Speaker 8: but it's the cost of getting it into your home
Speaker 8: or your business. And this poles and wires is extravaganza
Speaker 8: that they're building will cost one point three to one
Speaker 8: point five trillion dollars.
Speaker 1: That's trillion with that. With that, g folks t yeah,
Speaker 1: and he.
Speaker 8: Talks about other people's costings. So seriously, if I were Elbow,
Speaker 8: I'd be moving him on and finding someone who could
Speaker 8: have some at least understanding of what really is happening,
Speaker 8: because he sure doesn't. It's just opens his mouth and
Speaker 8: how it comes. Like the famous statement he made, if
Speaker 8: you don't like our policies, don't vote for them. I
Speaker 8: mean that was perhaps we should be don't believe them.
Speaker 1: He could say, well, exactly, But Linda, want to ask
Speaker 1: you though, about this sort of dogmatic insistence that it
Speaker 1: has to be renewables, it has to be wind and solar.
Speaker 1: We don't really have hydro here because we don't have
Speaker 1: enough mountains for it. Although maybe you can talk to
Speaker 1: the people doing snowy hydro at two point zero about that.
Speaker 1: But isn't it surely wouldn't it be a both responsible
Speaker 1: way for labor to look at this and also head
Speaker 1: off the coalition's nuclear policy, which to me really is
Speaker 1: about focusing attention and on the cost of renewables and
Speaker 1: how they're driving people's power up, to say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: we can investigate having all of these things rather than
Speaker 1: relying on things like the gen Cost Report, which you know,
Speaker 1: they say it's authoritative, but also makes a lot of
Speaker 1: very big assumptions about how long a nuclear plant lasts,
Speaker 1: about the cost of the wiring and all of this
Speaker 1: sort of thing.
Speaker 12: Look where to begin. You're both intelligent people, so I
Speaker 12: don't know you this. It is the case, of course,
Speaker 12: that there is no current functioning technology across the world
Speaker 12: that allows for the existence and functioning of small cell nuclears.
Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about, So we're just.
Speaker 12: The proposals that the coalition have put forward around that
Speaker 12: are just not based on a technology that functions at
Speaker 12: the moment. The Coalition has put forward a series of
Speaker 12: proposals about larger scale nuclear power plants and they haven't
Speaker 12: consulted the mayors, they haven't consulted the local governments of
Speaker 12: the area, and that.
Speaker 11: Is very disappointing.
Speaker 12: Whether or not that becomes the Australian policy will be
Speaker 12: of course for Australians.
Speaker 8: Where's the consultation for one point three trillion dollars worth
Speaker 8: the poles and was destroying people's.
Speaker 12: Land from the actually you conflate to really different where
Speaker 12: energy will come from. And the other is that we
Speaker 12: have aging infrastructure that needs No, it's.
Speaker 8: Not aging infrastructure. This is new new poles and wise
Speaker 8: because you put out all these panels and windmills, they
Speaker 8: have to then have that power that is generated go
Speaker 8: to your home and your business and it has to
Speaker 8: be bipoles.
Speaker 1: Well, this is an interesting This is an interesting question
Speaker 1: here about the about the consultation here, and you know,
Speaker 1: you say, but they didn't go to the mayors and
Speaker 1: all that. There are people who live along where the
Speaker 1: human transmission line is going to go, and they are
Speaker 1: starting to get I am talk compulsory acquisition notice is
Speaker 1: now now before the thing has even been designed, at
Speaker 1: a very early stage of this, where they have ninety
Speaker 1: days to deal with this notice and they're not getting
Speaker 1: any and they basically have to take the offer for
Speaker 1: what's going to be compulsorily acquired. So I mean, surely
Speaker 1: there's a big problem here. Yeah, okay, fine, we got
Speaker 1: to know where the new plants are going to go.
Speaker 1: We've got to talk to the communities. You do that
Speaker 1: as part of the planning. But this renewable thing. I
Speaker 1: have spoken to people in country New South Wales outside
Speaker 1: Goulburn who are having their properties and lives ruined by
Speaker 1: some of these things that they never asked for. Either.
Speaker 12: Communities and local governments should be engaged in the energy transition.
Speaker 12: Let me make that absolutely clear. BITI Roman just let
Speaker 12: me speak. Communities and local governments should be engaged in
Speaker 12: these transitions. It is really important and they are responsible
Speaker 12: in part for allowing communities to be consulted and also
Speaker 12: to have social license around the importance of these issues.
Speaker 12: But let me say this, it is absolutely false to
Speaker 12: say that the power instability that we are experiencing at
Speaker 12: the peaks of Australian summers, for example, are coming from
Speaker 12: anything other than coal fire power stations that are aging.
Speaker 11: That is the reason which run down.
Speaker 1: What mean, let's wrap let's wrap this up here. Let's
Speaker 1: wrap this up here.
Speaker 8: Because we're still getting sixty percent.
Speaker 1: Guys. We got more to get through here. We've got
Speaker 1: more to get through here. And I want to get
Speaker 1: you guys's reaction here to this because you know it's July,
Speaker 1: it is tax cut months and we're all enjoying the
Speaker 1: great beneficence of Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albanisi with all
Speaker 1: of the new Stage three rejiggered tax cuts that they've
Speaker 1: been running all the radio ads on. Check out this
Speaker 1: video that cool Dad Anthony Albaniasi has put out to
Speaker 1: remind us all he's giving us some of our money back.
Speaker 1: Check your payslip.
Speaker 13: There'll be more going into your bank account with our
Speaker 13: tax cuts.
Speaker 1: Why is he doing this, Linda?
Speaker 12: Why not he was probably on the run going from
Speaker 12: one meeting to another, and he was telling Australians that
Speaker 12: every Australian worker got a tax cut on the first
Speaker 12: of July, that this huge cost of living relief measures,
Speaker 12: increased superannuation, cheaper childcare, cheap.
Speaker 1: Okay, where do I go? Those are the talking points.
Speaker 1: Probably you reaction very quickly.
Speaker 8: Truly, forty million dollars is spent to tell people that
Speaker 8: they're going to get a tax cut, which they'll see
Speaker 8: in any event, it doesn't They don't have to do anything,
Speaker 8: it'll happen. But the one thing I do know is
Speaker 8: those tax cuts will not last until May twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8: And that's why I say he's looking at an early election.
Speaker 8: There you go, hasn't got much else to go with.
Speaker 8: And I think if people here the mantra about cheaper medicines,
Speaker 8: when I know people who have had medicines that they
Speaker 8: were taking being taken off the PBS, when I hear other.
Speaker 1: Stories, We're gonna have to leave it there. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have to leave it there. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: all of that. Linda Scott promin Bishop Don't go Anywhere.
Speaker 1: A lot more coming up for you here on Paul
Speaker 1: Murray Live. After the break. Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 1: James Borrow here sitting in again for Paul Murray Live
Speaker 1: while he enjoy some very well deserved time off. Now,
Speaker 1: the Albanezy government's track record of broken promises continues to grow.
Speaker 1: I know you wouldn't read about it, but you hear
Speaker 1: about it here. New figures reveal that a new migrant
Speaker 1: has arrived in Australia every single minute of every single
Speaker 1: day since the start of the year. Joining me now
Speaker 1: on the panel to discuss this is a Donnie Media's
Speaker 1: Lisa Goddard and lnp MP Henry Pike. Guys, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for coming on here to the program tonight. Lisa,
Speaker 1: let's start with you so much. And I got to say,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a migrant myself, so we love the migration.
Speaker 1: We love the migrants everything that they bring here. But
Speaker 1: what do we have to say though about labor cutting
Speaker 1: back to sustainable levels. They're not making this happy, are they.
Speaker 14: Well, they're certainly not hitting sustainable levels. If you ask
Speaker 14: the people who are struggling with the housing crisis, you know,
Speaker 14: the rent prices, the cost of living crisis. They wouldn't
Speaker 14: be saying this is a sustainable level at all. But
Speaker 14: what they have done, James, if you go into the figures,
Speaker 14: is have actually set a record.
Speaker 3: So they've broken the record for.
Speaker 14: The numbers between January to May, for it's the highest
Speaker 14: five month period yet. So they must get a gong
Speaker 14: for that somewhere.
Speaker 3: But look, I sat.
Speaker 14: Through the LMP budget and reply dinner and I listened
Speaker 14: to Peter Dutton talk about the very issue of immigration
Speaker 14: and what it means to the average Australian who is
Speaker 14: at the cash register, trying to pay for their groceries,
Speaker 14: trying to find a home, trying to find a rental
Speaker 14: property for family, and he has managed to.
Speaker 3: Shape this whole immigration debate through that sort of cost
Speaker 3: of living lens.
Speaker 14: So I think when you look at these figures now
Speaker 14: all it doesn't support what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Henry, I want to talk about this the
Speaker 1: other side of the equation too, because you know, Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton and the Coalition they get blamed and they say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you're blaming migrants for all of the troubles
Speaker 1: and everything like that. But there's another side to this
Speaker 1: equation because if we keep holding out Australia as this
Speaker 1: destination for people to come to work and to study,
Speaker 1: you know, because we need that to bolster the GDP,
Speaker 1: to keep us out of a real recession when we're
Speaker 1: in a technical one on per capwita terms. Isn't it
Speaker 1: also really quite cruel to people too at this point
Speaker 1: when we are in a housing crisis, say hey, you know,
Speaker 1: come on in. Everything's fine, the water's fine. You know,
Speaker 1: we got plenty of room for you here in Australia.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just about it's not about blaming rus.
Speaker 1: It's also about giving people false hope and selling them
Speaker 1: a pup.
Speaker 15: You're absolutely right, James. It's about fairness. It's about trying
Speaker 15: to grow Australia in a sustainable way. You mentioned that
Speaker 15: we've had a migrant a minute this year. We're certainly
Speaker 15: not building a house a minute. I can tell you that, certainly,
Speaker 15: not in my neck of the woods. We are having
Speaker 15: in fact record low levels of home construction in this country,
Speaker 15: and particularly in corners of this country where we actually
Speaker 15: need a lot of home development and home growth. And
Speaker 15: if we can't as a country house these people, if
Speaker 15: we can't deliver the infrastructure that they need in order
Speaker 15: to get the jobs that they need and be able
Speaker 15: to move around the cities that they're moving to. You why,
Speaker 15: it just makes no sense that we're allowing migration to
Speaker 15: get out of hand at this level.
Speaker 1: And it's not about the migrants. We are a migrant country.
Speaker 15: We do want to we do want their contribution, but
Speaker 15: we've got to do it in a way that's responsible
Speaker 15: and that's fair to our existing residents.
Speaker 1: Well, exactly right now, I want to move on here
Speaker 1: to somebody who I know that everybody there watching this
Speaker 1: program absolutely loves when this guy's name gets mentioned. Matt Kean.
Speaker 1: He's the new climates Are or Climate Commissioner or whatever
Speaker 1: his and he may have left the New South Wales
Speaker 1: Liberal government, but he sounded every bit the politician at
Speaker 1: his first public speech as the next Climate Authority Chair yesterday,
Speaker 1: calling on the clean energy industry to quote, put your
Speaker 1: mouth where your money is. The facts, the benefits of
Speaker 1: the positive outcomes of renewable energy are warring outside, Lisa,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this much. You know they may be
Speaker 1: roaring outside, but inside my house when we get these
Speaker 1: letters saying, hey, you know your power bills going up,
Speaker 1: your gas bills going up, your energy bills going up,
Speaker 1: and at the same time they're revving up the renewables
Speaker 1: and that's the cause of it. I'm roaring on the inside.
Speaker 1: What do we make of Matt Keane telling us this here?
Speaker 14: Well, I think you hit the nail on the head, James.
Speaker 14: He may have sounded like a politician because let's see,
Speaker 14: he doesn't actually finish his job as a politician until August,
Speaker 14: does he, So that would mean that he is still
Speaker 14: on the payroll. So perhaps, you know, and a liberal
Speaker 14: on the representing a liberal government as well. So I
Speaker 14: think there's some serious questions to be asked about that alone.
Speaker 14: But look, you're right, he's up there talking about energy,
Speaker 14: energy and this renewable dream. I sat today through the
Speaker 14: Queensland Media Club lunch and we had our Energy minister
Speaker 14: here in Queensland talking along very similar lines to Matt
Speaker 14: Kean renewables with the way of the future. There's no
Speaker 14: problem I don't think in anyone in this country who
Speaker 14: is backing renewable energies in having a voice that is
Speaker 14: being heard extremely loudly. It's people on the other end
Speaker 14: who are saying, look, we.
Speaker 3: Do need coal, we do need gas.
Speaker 14: They're the voices that are being silenced because dare you
Speaker 14: say we actually need these fossil fuels. And certainly today
Speaker 14: at the luncheon that I was at, the message was
Speaker 14: Miles government gets back in in Queensland will be a
Speaker 14: hard no to nuclear. They will push back if Peter
Speaker 14: Dutton does manage to win government, the Miles government will
Speaker 14: push back against any nuclear in this state at least
Speaker 14: and it's renewables all the way ahead here.
Speaker 1: Well, Henry, what do you make of this? It's really
Speaker 1: it's like a religious dogma. I mean, the people who
Speaker 1: are always saying, you know, follow the science. They've got
Speaker 1: the yard science saying in this house we believe in science.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, when there's something that scientificate works,
Speaker 1: who seem to be absolutely terrified of it.
Speaker 15: How comes a very good question.
Speaker 1: It's probably the great thank you r Ah.
Speaker 15: I'm confused by Matt Keane's view that if he says
Speaker 15: we're not hearing enough from the clean energy industry, I
Speaker 15: think that's all we've heard for the last ten years,
Speaker 15: and it's all our kids have been taught in their schools,
Speaker 15: and it's all really we're hear throughout the mainstream media.
Speaker 15: I just can't really understand his argument here. This has
Speaker 15: become an article of faith for a lot of people,
Speaker 15: and we don't really see a lot of evidence involved
Speaker 15: in what they put forward now, it's just statements of faith.
Speaker 15: And I think it's actually time for people to be
Speaker 15: speaking up on behalf of the energy consumers of Australia
Speaker 15: to say, hey, enough's enough, let's pursue a realistic energy
Speaker 15: policy here which has a good mix of different uses,
Speaker 15: stuff that's reliable and stuff that's affordable.
Speaker 1: Liz, let me ask you about this. We'll pick up
Speaker 1: on that point that Henry just made there. It's about
Speaker 1: sort of you know, it seems to be like where
Speaker 1: we are now with this debate. It's about being seen
Speaker 1: to be doing something rather than actually doing something. And
Speaker 1: is it sort of that renewables just have a virtuous
Speaker 1: tinge about them and that's why the politicians love it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting you raise that.
Speaker 14: So I was talking to somebody ahead of an event
Speaker 14: last week and one of the questions that they were
Speaker 14: expecting to hear was for all of the people that
Speaker 14: work across the resource sector, basically, is there some sort
Speaker 14: of sense of shame or do they not want to
Speaker 14: admit that they're working in the resource sector, which right
Speaker 14: now is keeping the lights on in this studio, in
Speaker 14: the homes where they're.
Speaker 3: Watching us as well.
Speaker 14: And the point was made that one in four jobs
Speaker 14: in Queensland comes from always relies on the resource sector.
Speaker 3: Aligne.
Speaker 14: They need to go out there and proudly say that
Speaker 14: we are working in the resource sector.
Speaker 3: And let's look at the tables at all.
Speaker 14: The its functions that the politicians and the various stakeholder
Speaker 14: groups will sit around and explain to them the bottle
Speaker 14: that your wine is sitting in relies on the resource sector.
Speaker 3: The food that you're eating relies on the resource sector.
Speaker 14: Without gas, you haven't got fertilizer, you don't have a
Speaker 14: food bowl.
Speaker 3: The lights they are on the.
Speaker 14: Car that you came and the plane that you flew in.
Speaker 14: I think that very bring it back to the basics
Speaker 14: and explain to people why it's so critical. I think
Speaker 14: that's what's missing in this that's the voice that needs
Speaker 14: to be out there.
Speaker 1: And just very quickly, very quickly, only a second, your constituents,
Speaker 1: what are they saying. Are people saying that they want
Speaker 1: more renewables, that they want reliability.
Speaker 15: My constituents want reliability, but most importantly they want affordability
Speaker 15: as well, and they can see the path that's renewable
Speaker 15: taking us down. You know, they appreciate the little rebates
Speaker 15: they're getting here and there as people head towards elections,
Speaker 15: but they understand where this is going and they want
Speaker 15: a change of direction.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, very well, said Queensland LLN p MP Henry Pike,
Speaker 1: Lisa Goddard. Thank you so much for joining me here
Speaker 1: tonight on Palmary Live. Been absolute pleasure. Now don't go
Speaker 1: anywhere because after the break late debate is going to
Speaker 1: be here and I'll be back tomorrow night here with
Speaker 1: a lot more Palmurray Live and plenty of stuff more
Speaker 1: for the Milwaukee convention as well as stuff all across
Speaker 1: the nation here. Thanks so much, James Borrow here on
Speaker 1: Palmary Live. See you tomorrow night,