WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 17 July 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.240 From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.840 Good evening, and welcome to the program. James Borrow here 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.719 is sitting in again for Paul Murray Live. And Wow, 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.280 what a big show we've got coming up for you tonight. 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.079 I'm thrilled to be here and I'm even more thrilled 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.880 to have you here with me. Now, in a little 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.280 bit we're gonna go hard on the CFMAU, the Greens, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:31.080 Matt Kean, Oh yeah, he's added again, and all the 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.720 other big stories happening here in Australia with your Wednesday 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:39.320 Night favorites, including Bronwin Bishop and Linda Scott right here 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.519 in the house. But look, there is so much stuff 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:47.680 coming out of the States right now, including the absolutely incredible, 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:53.760 unbelievable excuses that US Secret Service brass are making for 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:59.560 just how they happen to miss a guy climbing up 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.360 a roof hoof one hundred or so meters from the 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:07.039 former and likely future President Trump and then let him 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.520 manage to get off several shots before finally being eliminated 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:16.520 when agents return fire. Now I want you to watch this. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.319 Somebody has done a computer model to show just how 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:26.080 close we came to losing Trump on the weekend. Watch 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.880 this modeling of how he just happened to turn his 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:34.400 head by coincidence, by divine intervention. You be the judge, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:39.640 just at the moment the would be assassin's bullet passed 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.720 millimeters from his skull. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.679 Take your look, Corp, and. 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.720 Wow, I mean I get chills just watching that. But 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.680 you know, even more chilling is the way the Secret 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.600 Service is trying to wriggle out of what looks like, 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:07.080 at the very best to be rank gross incompetence of 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.960 the worst sort. Check out the excuse secret Service Boss 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.640 Kimberly Cheedle is trotting out for her agents. And why 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.680 there was no agent on that roof where the sniper 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:19.680 took his shot. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.640 Should that roof have been secure? 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:23.120 Period? 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.600 That building in particular has a sloped roof at its 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.840 highest point, and so you know there's a safety factor 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.799 that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.160 put somebody up on a sloped roof, and so you know, 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.960 the decision was made to secure the building from inside. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.480 It was a safety factor. You know, it was a slope, 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:47.000 there was a tilt, It was dangerous, too dangerous for 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.800 these people who go and put their lives on the line. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:55.240 I mean, imagine this a slope. What do we say, sorry, kids, 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.240 no present from santin this year? The roof is on 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.919 a slope. Hey, maybe this is why they designed the 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.840 White House with a flat roof all those years ago, 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.160 because they knew down the road secret Service agents who 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.080 take an oath to put their bodies on the line 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.480 wouldn't slip and hurt their ankles or something protectingly the president. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.960 Of course, this doesn't make any sense at all. It 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.560 doesn't make any sense because if you look at this, 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.520 the snipers that were behind Trump and shot the shooter 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.040 were on a sloped roof too. Put that back up 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.920 on the screen so people can see it, because seriously, 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:42.000 what is going on here? Look, there's been more evidence 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.800 that this has just been an incredible dereliction of duty 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.800 come out of the last several hours that the war 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.360 on competence, on expertise, on people who know what they're 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:57.360 doing has taken a new and frightening direction. CNN has 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:02.480 reported new details on the tempt a dissassination, including that 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.160 that there would be assassin passed through a Secret Service 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:12.200 checkpoint with a rangefinder and apparently nothing was done about it. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.200 We also understand that when he got to the fair 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.880 grounds where this rally was being held for Donald Trump, 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.200 the first thing that puts him on the radar of 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:27.320 security people is near the magnetometer area where they're screening 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.720 people in. He's carrying in his hand a range finder. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.000 It's a device that looks like a small pair of binoculars, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.600 but it's used by shooters to measure the distance when 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.119 they're setting up a long distance shot. Because he didn't 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.360 have a weapon, that would not have prevented him to 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.159 go through security, but they did flag what does he 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.880 have this in his hand for? At that point they 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:52.840 told people keep an eye on this guy. But then 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.640 he leaves the secure area, the staging area, and he 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:02.280 doesn't turn up again for some time, until the crowd says, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.080 there's a guy crawling up the roof and it appears 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:05.840 he has a rifle. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.640 Great, great work there, guys. Well, hey, he's got a 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.960 range fighter. Nothing suspicious about that. I think we should 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.320 just let him climb up on a roof near the president. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.039 And there's also this, and you know the physical damage 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.080 that has been done. Trump's stinged up ear and the 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.880 really tragic loss of a retired firefighter. The crowd, Well, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.880 that doesn't account for the political damage that has occurred. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.040 And I mean it's not hard to see how people 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.960 really start to wonder if there is something more going 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.360 on with this, especially when there seems to be no 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:45.520 consequence for a horrendous series of errors. And for the moment, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.000 that's all we can call this. But if anyone from 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.560 the Biden White House is watching this and not watching 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.280 Morning Joe, which apparently is back on MSNBC. Now, let 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:02.800 me give a few recommendations for the president. One, he 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.080 should demand the resignation of Kimberly Cheedle, the head of 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:10.240 the Secret Service, to make it absolutely clear there are 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:15.479 consequences for this gross incompetence that there is right now 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.719 zero downside and a lot of political upside if he 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.320 really wants to reach out across the aisle. But we 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.760 know the answer to that question with Joe Biden, he 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.039 won't do that, which might be why he is in 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.400 so much trouble politically at the moment. Let's go back 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.880 to CNN. I know a lot of CNN tonight, but 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.120 check out this bit of coverage from the Republican National 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.760 convention a little while ago. Where they are now saying 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.479 Trump is on track to win. Well, I'll let them 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.200 tell you the number, but just remember this. You need 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.039 two hundred and seventy electoral votes to win the White House. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.960 So look at the map right now that gets Donald 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.320 Trump to three hundred and three. And there's new polling 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.839 today that shows the president's approval rating in these battleground 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.880 states is below forty. The president's ballot number right now 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.000 is below forty, and most of those states at it 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.000 at forty two. In Nevada, it's very hard in sixteen 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.360 weeks we count the vote sixteen weeks from tonight to 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.600 turn that around. Plus Democrats are now worried. They think, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.520 I'm not saying this is going to happen. But what 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.320 they're saying is the President's going to have to spend 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.080 more time and more resources on places like Virginia because 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.400 it's competitive, on places like New Hampshire because it's competitive. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.720 You look at this map as it plays out, and 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.680 there are Democrats making the case, and we have Wisconsin 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.720 blue here, let's move Wisconsin over here. There are Democrats 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.200 making the case that Donald Trump is on a viable 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.960 path as of today to get to three hundred and 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.440 thirty electoral votes wolf or even higher, or even higher 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.640 because they see other states in here. The Trump campaign says, Minnesota, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.800 the Trump campaign says, maybe New Mexico. Let's be cautious. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.160 Those are blue states traditionally. But the president's standing, his 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.760 approval rating, his ballot number, people's views about how old 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.320 he is, and people who view people who view the 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.440 state of the economy are very bad for the president 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:00.960 right now. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:06.600 Oh and speaking of the Republican National Convention in Swinging Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.120 I've got a little treat for you. Former Australian Ambassador 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.720 to the US Joe Hockey is there right now for 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.160 Sky News and he had a chance to come catch 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.560 up with current Australian Ambassador to the US Kevin Rudd. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.600 Have a listen to this here when Joe Hockey tried 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.200 to pin Kevid ron down run down on whether or 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.600 not Trump's got this thing in the bag. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.640 It's clear that there is a momentum behind the Republicans, 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.760 but it can turn, and you know the issue will 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.400 be at this stage, if Conald Trump can say measured 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.679 speech on Thursday night, he can win by seven points. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:50.960 If he gives an acrimonious speech, a traditional speech, then 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.280 he's gonna bring Biden back into the fault and in 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:55.560 a play, well send them. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.199 When you look at the new political chamber around President Trump, 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:04.880 led by City Whiles, it's been a highly disciplined performance. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:09.280 We saw that evidenced here just yesterday when the President 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.760 entered into this shall we say stadium of those who 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.160 love him. There was an opportunity to speak differently. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:17.920 He chose not to speak. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.600 If that remains his campaign discipline for the period ahead, 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:28.959 it becomes a formidable political challenge for the Democrats heading 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:30.640 right through until the fifth of November. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.280 Gosh, he's being very diplomatic, there isn't he? 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:35.640 Oh? 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:39.600 And there was also this bit apparently Kevin Rudd is 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:45.240 texting now with good old Trump's running mate JD. Vance. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:51.120 We've had what I described as a texting relationship for 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:51.840 some time. 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:52.240 And. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.559 I certainly read his book quite a while ago, in 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:57.360 Liliberal Theology. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:09:59.839 It's a really. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.400 Provocate book in terms of the qualities he brings to 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.400 this office. That's, of course a matter for American domestic 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:07.199 political opinion. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.640 Is it that cute they're texting buddies now? Good old 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.319 Kevin Rudd and JD Vattce. I love it. It's absolutely hilarious. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.000 And I know that Kevin Rudd is just doing his 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.360 job here, but I also find it fascinating to me 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.640 how Kevin Rudd is pivoting so hard now to being 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:30.320 pals with the Trump team after being such a fierce critic. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:37.200 Remember this, this guy is a problem. He is an 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:43.480 objective problem for the world, for the region, for my country, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:45.760 and of course not as an American, I will not 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.400 comment and the problem that he represents to the United 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:49.200 States domestically. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:53.240 So he's a buzzword. Yeah, that was Kevin Rudd on 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.480 Donald Trump there. So it seems to be Kevin Rudd 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.640 has looked at the polls here in the US a 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.400 bit like puntered a nightclub looking at his watch before 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.920 the ugly lights come up, and said, well, he better 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.199 changes tune and take what he can get and start 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.040 chatting up the Trump team. And hey, I'm going to 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.600 be joined tomorrow night, by the way here on Palmery 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.480 Live by Joe Hockey himself, So let me know if 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.040 you've got anything you want me to ask him, and 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.160 I'll bring that to you tomorrow night. Now, let's get 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.760 into it right here, Broadwin Bishop, you know, Scott, thank 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.040 you so much for being here. Now you've got I 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.559 want to talk about this first. It's a Republican convention. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.800 You've got a little bit of convention memorabilia here. I 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.320 don't know if we can see this here. Tell us 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.640 about this. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.720 This is a scaff that I bought when I attended 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:45.559 the nineteen eighty eight Republican Convention in New New Orleans. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.920 And of course that was the last time that Reagan 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.880 made his big speech as president. And of course George 0:11:54.920 --> 0:12:02.280 Bush Sr. Was then nominated to be the the Republican nominee. 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.760 And then I did, in fact go back for George 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:09.120 Bush's inauguration, which was an amazing experience as. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.960 Well, fantastic, was a great bit of history. There we've 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.640 got going on here. I love it. I absolutely think. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:15.559 It's fair glamorous. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.240 So glamorous is a nick glamorous. We love it. Now, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.199 let's get though onto this whole big story about the 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.640 assassination attempt of Donald Trump, because I just think there's 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.640 so much unpack here, and as the dust settles, the 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:31.080 conspiracy theories are coming out. As always, prominent American attorney 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.680 Jonathan Turley has written a column this week saying that 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.320 a Virginia professor named Sethunia Macoco has explained that the 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.240 attempted assassination of Donald Trump was nothing but a ploy 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:48.839 to get the votes of idiots. Bronwin. If we're buying 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:53.480 this conspiracy theory that's being pushed by an American academic, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.520 and I'll tell you what, this professor's not alone. I'm 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.520 seeing this sort of thing all over Twitter. This means 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.280 that the Trump campaign and the Secret Service allowed a 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.160 student from a high school to fire multiple rounds at 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.040 the president in hopes it would miss him. Does this 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.719 sound at all plausible to you? 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.120 No, But these are the sort of people who probably 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.960 believe that there was no moon landing either, so you 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:21.160 know they've got their own fantasies. But there are other 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.440 stories coming out from the other side of opposing those 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:30.000 views that maybe that there was some inside job. So 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.960 there are all sorts of rumors will always fly. But 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.920 people saw it. I saw it, You saw it for yourself. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:42.360 And what has become incredible is the cover up of 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.360 the sheer mess that was made of the proper protection 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:51.800 of the former president. And when I heard that line, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.959 about the roof being too steep. I thought secret services 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.440 are prepared to put their lives on the line, correct, 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:00.800 but they can't stand on the pitch roof. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.600 I mean seriously, and it wasn't even all that pitch 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:04.000 to roof. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.800 But but well, I'll say this, if if you follow 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.680 di you might end up die. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.400 Well, yeah, that's what a lot of people, including Elon Musker, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.280 saying here. But Linda Scott, though, one of the things 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.440 that I find really fascinating about this year is that, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.680 you know, for the last eight years we've been told 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.800 Republicans and the right they're all the conspiracy theorists. You know, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.480 they're all into QAnon and things like this. And it 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.000 seems to me that in the wake of this, you know, 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.440 terrible incident and a real tragedy because let's not forget 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.360 a civilian who was out there exercising their democratic right 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.840 to watch their candidates speak lost their life, that the 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.520 left now seems to be or that some bits of 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.160 the left, certainly on Twitter and other places, are now 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.840 embracing these weird, lunatic conspiracy theories. I had someone this 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.800 morning say to me, oh, come on, that was all 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.560 a setup. And I'm thinking what's going on here. 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.880 On former President Trump is truly shocking, and I don't 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.400 think anyone who saw the footage or read about it 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:12.000 could say anything other than that it's an awful episode 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:17.160 of violence which we should absolutely and universally condemn. I 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.360 do think that as we see poles showing that trust 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.560 in government is declining, and let's talk about this. This 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.120 is not just in the United States. It's really a 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.360 global phenomenon. We need to think hard about, as people 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.200 who robustly believe in the importance of democracy, what we 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.520 can do together, actually all of us, to rebuild that trust, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.720 to ensure that people feel confidence in democracy, the system 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.720 of democracy, that people are able to conduct themselves with safety. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:48.680 Certainly. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.000 You know, we have five hundred and thirty seven local 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.400 governments in Australia and we have raised our concerns with 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.440 the Australian Federal belief about the safety of councils, about 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:02.240 the safety of elected representatives, you know, each week meeting 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.680 in their town halls, making decisions in the public interest, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.960 facing increasing security threats even here in Australia, even in 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.680 remote and regional areas. These are serious issues and what 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.720 we've seen is violence against former President Trump. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:18.240 That is wrong. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.280 It should be strongly condemned. No violence is ever acceptable, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.400 of course, but there is a rising threat I think 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.680 for political participants here in Australia as well, and it's 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.760 important to have a discussion about how we together collectively 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.640 restore trust in government, restore trust in the democratic systems 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.680 that we know are so important for a well functioning society. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:42.720 Yeah, well, look, I mean I think there's a lot 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.840 to what you have to say. What I mean Brown, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.200 And there was another element to this is that apparently 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.160 this was Trump's security team that had been stepped up 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.840 as a result of threats from Iran, and apparently this 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.720 was their stepped uptives. So I mean, if this is this, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.560 I don't know what the sort of the B team 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.639 would look like. But just to Linda's point, when you 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.320 were an MP, how did you find security? Did you 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.360 find yourself ever feeling yourself under threat? And what do 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.560 you think about some recommendations from people like Mike Bazilla 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.080 that actually we need to come back and look harder 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:20.960 at security and refresh it. 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.480 I think Mike Bazula was correct. There is a need 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.399 to look again and that perhaps reflects on what you 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.200 were saying too, Linda. But all of us in public 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.200 life at some stage of being subject to threats of 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.480 one form or another. Most of us don't talk about this. Yeah, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:44.280 but you and as Speaker, I was responsible for looking 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:51.440 at the security of Parliament House and that has enormous 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.400 problems because of the nature of the building. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.760 Yeah, although there have been since your time in Parliament, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.520 brom when it's fair to say a lot of changes 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.160 under by governments, I might add, but you know, I'm 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.520 sure you go there regularly now when you go to Parliament. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.760 It's a very different building here in Australia. You know, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:13.240 there's a lot more security. There's ballards, there's physical barriers. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.600 I remember as a child rolling down the roof of 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.320 Federal Parliament House, which of course you. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:23.119 I will say that I was the person responsible for 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.879 putting guards with long arms into the Parliament, which was 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.200 needed at that stage. But the problem with the building 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.080 is it was built for people to have access to it, 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.199 in fact that you could walk over the top of it, 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.000 all that sort of thing, and it has an enormous 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.680 heritage protection. I can't tell you how difficult it is 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:43.800 if you want to change something. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:45.960 Yes, you really have. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.240 And it's hugely expensive because there are fees to be 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:54.280 paid to people. Yes, anyway, that's beside it. But I 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.800 think too that we've had a lot of people talk about, Oh, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.800 we're going to be very transparent and we're going to 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.160 be very open, and then they're not. And I think 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.320 that's one of the things that it has become. I 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.000 think a mark of what's happening is happening here in Australia. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.120 It's certainly happening in the United States with Biden. Yeah, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.479 I mean that cover up of his dementia for all 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:22.320 those years. That is anti democratic because that man was 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.880 elected to do that job and he can't do it, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.160 so somebody else is doing it. That's not the moment. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:30.560 Well, this is the thing, This is the thing I'm 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.720 really fascinated about, because you know, you mentioned Lindy, you 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.040 talk about how people are, you know, losing faith in 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.040 democracy or at least as the threat that they lose 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.760 faith in democracy. Where where does that come from? What 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.680 do you fix it? Because you know, that's a great 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.280 point because we don't trust the White House now, we 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.960 don't trust anybody if they won't come clean about something 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:49.960 that we see with our own eyes. You know, a 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.480 lot of people were put off by the way COVID 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.320 was dealt with, in the way a lot of things 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.040 that were they said a and actually be what everybody's 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:02.320 saying was misinformation actually turned out to be true. What 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.400 do you do to shore things up after things like that? 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.640 Well, I think again, globally during COVID, no matter how 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.040 governments handled this, we saw a sharp decline in people's 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:13.280 trusting government, and. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:14.480 I think that is a worry. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.320 I think it is important that governments are more transparent. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.439 And again I say this in a very bad but 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.080 it is important for them to do that, and it 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:28.000 is important for governments to show integrity, to do everything 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.600 that we possibly can to restore trusting government and trust 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.520 in democracy. If you look at the long term polls, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:37.639 even just in Australia, you'll find that local governments are 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.520 in fact the most trusted level of government because. 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.160 We're no mine, not mine, not mine. 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:44.080 I'll take views. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.520 Again, there's five hundred and thirty seven councils, but we're 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:48.880 very close to our community. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.760 Our councilor's paid over seven hundred thousand dollars. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:56.640 That is not right A We're very close to our communities. 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.399 We're very accessible if someone wants to talk to me 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.600 about a low issue. I can't tell you how many 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.800 times I've just had a knock at my home door 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.719 or as i'm you know, walking my children to school, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.240 stopped in the street to be asked about something. I mean, 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.760 I do think that that accessibility. People say that you're 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.560 human in local government and they have a lot of engagement. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.679 Well, let's higher levels of trust. 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.680 That still happens to me in the supermarket. 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:22.320 Let's move on there, because I want to come back 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.359 to some of the stuff around the convention here, and 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.160 I've found this whole interview that we've played a little 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.320 bit of with Kevin right absolutely fascinating here and probably 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.800 what I want to ask you about this now. The 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:35.879 man who called Trump a trader to the West and 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.600 blamed him for dragging America and democracy through the mud 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.760 talk about trust in democracy here now stands as his 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:46.680 number one cheerleader at the DNC. He's texting with Jdfans 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:50.119 Bronwin Bishop. I mean, I get diplomacy, I get we 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:55.399 want good representation for ourselves in Washington, d C. 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.400 But come on, now, he's doing his best to try 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.719 and Gabi his in that interview with Joe Hockey. I 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.960 had to have a giggle. It did look like Sunrise, 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:05.359 didn't it. 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.560 And I mean, let's get get you, get you in 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.600 on this here he's gone from a Trump hater to 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.639 now being you know, probably have to at least play 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:16.959 foot seat with team Maga. 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:18.680 But he didn't say it was wrong. 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.159 No, he couldn't say it was wrong. But you know, 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:23.919 J d Vance, Let's be fair. Ja d Vance has 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:28.480 had a big, you know, teleology going from being very 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.960 anti Donald Trump to now being his vice president. Should 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.280 we take Kevin right at his word on this look? 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.680