WEBVTT - The trial of Alan Jones

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the Front. I'm Christinamio.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Monday, August three, twenty six. Post World War II

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<v Speaker 1>migration to Australia was a resounding success and one nation's

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<v Speaker 1>push for a so called monoculture is pointless. That's according

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<v Speaker 1>to former Prime Minister John Howard, who's long advocated for

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative approach to Australian multiculturalism. More than a third

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<v Speaker 1>of people purchasing properties through the government's expanded First Home

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<v Speaker 1>by Guarantee scheme would have been ineligible for the five

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<v Speaker 1>percent deposit scheme in the past. Experts say the lack

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<v Speaker 1>of means testing is sending the housing market haywire for

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<v Speaker 1>buyers and renters. Those stories alive right now at the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian dot com dot au. He was once the most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful man in Australian broadcasting. Now, Alan Jones will defend

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<v Speaker 1>himself in court against accusations of indecent assault and sexual

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<v Speaker 1>touching dating back decades, allegations he strenuously denies. Today, The

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<v Speaker 1>Australian's editorial director and regular host of The Front, Claire

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey and media diarist Steve Jackson discussed the trial two

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<v Speaker 1>years in the making. Plus they'll delve into the millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars left on the table by newly independent broadcaster

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle sandlans Claire and Jacko are here in just a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Jones, once the king of talkback radio. Today walking

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<v Speaker 1>out of a police station. Veteran broadcaster Alan Jones has

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<v Speaker 1>been arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>Allan Jones's world is in pieces tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives today raiding Jones's Harveside apartment.

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<v Speaker 3>Former broadcaster Alan Jones has been charged with indecent assault

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<v Speaker 3>and sexual touching offenses spanning two decades.

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<v Speaker 4>Steve Jackson edits The Australian's Media Diary and I've brought

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<v Speaker 4>him in because it's Monday and I always talk to

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<v Speaker 4>Jacko on a Monday if I can, but also because

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<v Speaker 4>one of the biggest stories in media is finally about

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<v Speaker 4>to hit.

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<v Speaker 2>The courts today.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the trial of former broadcaster Alan Jones in the

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<v Speaker 4>local court in Sydney, Jacko. This is going to be

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<v Speaker 4>a massive trial. Really too big for a local court,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we've seen a case that has this

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<v Speaker 3>much interest and intrigue around it, potentially since Ben Robert

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<v Speaker 3>Smith and his defamation case. But in terms of someone

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<v Speaker 3>in the media taking the stand to defend themselves, it's

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<v Speaker 3>sort of unprecedented at this level. It's been two years

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<v Speaker 3>in the making and we're finally getting to court today. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Jones, he's had the opportunity to try to push

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<v Speaker 3>it back last week. His legal team said no, he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to go to court, so he's home, got raided,

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<v Speaker 3>he got arrested back in November twenty twenty four, two

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<v Speaker 3>years on. He said no, enough's enough. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>go out there and try to fight to clean my name.

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<v Speaker 3>So he will start doing that from today.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got some heavyweight legal representation. Gabrielle Basher sc one

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<v Speaker 4>of the best. Yes, and of course you would get

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<v Speaker 4>a silk if you were Alan Jones and you were

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<v Speaker 4>appearing in court on any kind of matter. The Crowns

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<v Speaker 4>charge Alan Jones with twenty two counts.

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<v Speaker 3>What are they There's twenty of indecent assault and there's

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<v Speaker 3>two of sexual touching and now these charges they over

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<v Speaker 3>a long period of time. We're talking from two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and three through to twenty twenty in various locations. There's

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<v Speaker 3>six alleged victims who are going to be called to

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<v Speaker 3>give evidence about their interactions with Alan Jones. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to take weeks to play out. Obviously, he's expected

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<v Speaker 3>to take the stand in his defense and say, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I did nothing wrong. It's one of those ones that

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<v Speaker 3>look thank God for the judicial system, because there's multiple

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<v Speaker 3>sides to every story. Obviously from his point of view

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<v Speaker 3>is his interactions with these people was always either consensual

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<v Speaker 3>or nonexistent in some cases potentially we'll find out in

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<v Speaker 3>the days ahead, but he has always said from the outset,

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<v Speaker 3>I've done nothing wrong. I'm going to fight to clear

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<v Speaker 3>my name.

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<v Speaker 1>I am certainly not guilty, and I'll be presenting my

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<v Speaker 1>account to a jury.

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<v Speaker 3>As you heard the wing, he's done that the whole

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<v Speaker 3>way along. He's and as you say, he's got a

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<v Speaker 3>very experienced legal team, one of the best in the

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<v Speaker 3>country coming up to defend him. Even though it's in

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<v Speaker 3>the local court and even though it's judge alone. So

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<v Speaker 3>what we're going to see with that, obviously clear is

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<v Speaker 3>because it's a judge alone, a few more used the

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<v Speaker 3>term liberties, but a little bit more freedom taken with

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<v Speaker 3>the way the matter is covered, because there's no fear

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<v Speaker 3>that a jury could be swayed by the media's coverage,

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<v Speaker 3>so all the ugly twists and turns, expect to see

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<v Speaker 3>them coming out on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's an interesting part of the way trials unfold

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<v Speaker 4>when they're in the public domain, isn't it. When there's

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<v Speaker 4>a jury, the media are of course extremely careful and

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<v Speaker 4>nothing is reported that's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Been put before the jury in court while.

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<v Speaker 4>The jury are actually present in the room, and that

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<v Speaker 4>leaves out quite a lot of stuff that leads you

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<v Speaker 4>to the stories after the trial where you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can report what the jury didn't hear.

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<v Speaker 4>Indeed, legal argument that happens when the jury is sent

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<v Speaker 4>out of the room, and often.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the great stories.

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<v Speaker 4>When it's a judge alone, there's the assumption that a

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<v Speaker 4>judge could not possibly be influenced by anything he or

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<v Speaker 4>she reads or sees in the media.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's right, because the differentiation is they

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<v Speaker 3>understand it the technical points of law. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>so technical that yeah, like reading the tawdry accounts in

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<v Speaker 3>some of the tabloid press will not sway them. I

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<v Speaker 3>do think that is right.

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<v Speaker 4>They can't be influenced, and that then gives editors and

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<v Speaker 4>journalists a little bit more liberty, as you say, in

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<v Speaker 4>the way they cover it. So there will be comment pieces,

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<v Speaker 4>there'll be color, there'll be analysis going on from journalists

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<v Speaker 4>that will be an intriguing part of this matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think also no matter what happens from here,

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<v Speaker 3>and some of the more serious charges have been dropped already,

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<v Speaker 3>and what I've been told from the prosecutor's side, they

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<v Speaker 3>haven't told me, but what I've been told from that

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<v Speaker 3>side is they've wanted to reduce the riskier charges and

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<v Speaker 3>prine it back to the ones that are they're the

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<v Speaker 3>safest because they're really going for a conviction, so they

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<v Speaker 3>want to remove anything that they think even has an

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<v Speaker 3>element of doubt. So they've brought it back to the

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<v Speaker 3>easiest charges to prove Alan Jones' team obviously confident they

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<v Speaker 3>can well they don't have to disprove them, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>confident they can show that he's not guilty of those offenses.

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<v Speaker 3>But even with the more serious charges reduced, what we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to see is Alan Jones is going to be embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 3>No matter what happens from here. We're going to hear

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<v Speaker 3>about his interactions with these men. The fact that he

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't taken a plea deal is quite interesting because we

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<v Speaker 3>know that for him it will be embarrassing. These allegations

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<v Speaker 3>will be aired with all the tawdry details that come

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<v Speaker 3>with them, and so no matter what happens from here,

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<v Speaker 3>it is going to have an influence on how people

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<v Speaker 3>see him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I mean his stances obviously are innocent and it's

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<v Speaker 4>up to the Crown to see if I can prove otherwise.

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<v Speaker 4>He is a very wealthy man. He made a huge

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<v Speaker 4>amount of money during his career as a broadcaster, and

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<v Speaker 4>he was already relatively successful before that. He was the

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<v Speaker 4>coach of the Wallabies.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been given today something really special.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an opportunity, an opportunity to become a headline or

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<v Speaker 2>a footnote in the history of rugby.

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<v Speaker 4>Alan Jones has only been off the radio for a

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<v Speaker 4>few years, but it's sort of interesting to remember how

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<v Speaker 4>influential he was. He was incredibly wealthy, wasn't he, jack Well.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the highest paid broadcasters in the history of

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<v Speaker 3>Australian media, and for a long period of time he

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<v Speaker 3>was so influential. He was such a dominant force in

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<v Speaker 3>the ratings that he commanded a really high salary and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, personal sponsorships, et cetera. As this court battle

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<v Speaker 3>plays out on Monday, I hear that there is a

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<v Speaker 3>second potential front that's about to open up for him.

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<v Speaker 3>So all this exposure focus on Alan Jones has had

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<v Speaker 3>the ATO, I hear from my sources in there having

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<v Speaker 3>a look at him again and going over their books.

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<v Speaker 3>Now there's no suggestion of any wrongdoing, but he's in

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<v Speaker 3>the limelight. The ATO is going, hey, let's just have

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<v Speaker 3>a second look at it. I think he will find

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<v Speaker 3>at some point in the coming weeks he is going

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<v Speaker 3>to have a second battlefront open up, and the ATO

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<v Speaker 3>is going to start asking him questions as well. So again,

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<v Speaker 3>no suggestion of any wrongdoing. It's just one of those

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<v Speaker 3>things that when people are in the limelight, everyone starts

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<v Speaker 3>scratching and oh, let's have a look as well. So

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<v Speaker 3>from what I'm hearing, ATO just going over his books

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<v Speaker 3>and his last few tax returns to see if everything's

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<v Speaker 3>ridgie did it probably is? Probably, But it's just one

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<v Speaker 3>of those things with the stress of a cookcase light

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<v Speaker 3>this where you know that these allegations are going to

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<v Speaker 3>be aired about you, and look, you know anyone accused

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<v Speaker 3>of these matters. That is super stressful. He's now going

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<v Speaker 3>to have to worry about also his personal finances being

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<v Speaker 3>potentially questioned.

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<v Speaker 4>It's August now, which means there's only a few sleeps.

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<v Speaker 4>The countdown is on to Kyle Sandaland's life.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were going to talk about Christmas, so

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<v Speaker 3>start doing the shopping already.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet the radio show that's not really going to be

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<v Speaker 4>a radio show. It's going to be on Kyle's app

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<v Speaker 4>every morning from August ten. I'm such a super fan

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<v Speaker 4>that I've already been watching Pull Sandalans Live, the documentary

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<v Speaker 4>he's made and released on his app.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's finally time to let everyone know what

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<v Speaker 1>actually really happened.

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<v Speaker 4>And while I've had the app on my phone, JACKO,

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<v Speaker 4>I've noticed that there's a kind of a chat function,

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<v Speaker 4>so I get these alerts often late at night from

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<v Speaker 4>people like Gronk saying something about Kyle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite odd.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I've stepped into Kyle's world. Are you

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<v Speaker 4>looking forward to the show?

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<v Speaker 3>Look? I like Kyle. I always have. In my twenties,

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to Kyle and Jackie O. That was the

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<v Speaker 3>station I listened to. I loved the banter.

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<v Speaker 4>Really the formative years of s.

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, look, you know, and that's where all my

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<v Speaker 3>bad puns and toilet humor come from. But I've probably

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<v Speaker 3>graduated into nowadays. I listened to Ben Fordham a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more often.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you're very sophisticated, urbane gentleman.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, and I feel like I've grown out of

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<v Speaker 3>it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of those things. As you start paying more taxes,

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<v Speaker 3>you're really interested in how that money's being spent, whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not it's being spent on inappropriate jokes about Gina Reinhart,

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<v Speaker 3>for example. And I'm finding myself getting more outraged by that,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I've sort of not as much of a

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<v Speaker 3>listener now. He is without a doubt of talent. The

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<v Speaker 3>thing that amazes me is the launch of Kyle Sandland's

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<v Speaker 3>show could not be any starker from Karl Stefanovic. So

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<v Speaker 3>carls of this, you know, sort of bumbling around knocking

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<v Speaker 3>into things production, whereas Kylie's got like team mugs and

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<v Speaker 3>team shirts and team photos, and he's got a platform

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<v Speaker 3>that you've got to subscribe to. Somehow He's commenced the

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<v Speaker 3>editorial director of The Australian to part with one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>dollars to watch his content. So he's got a really

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<v Speaker 3>great strategy. He also has a big payout from arn

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<v Speaker 3>behind him to help fund this massive, like really professional setup.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately for Kyle, I also know that he could have

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<v Speaker 3>had even more funds to set this up, because as

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<v Speaker 3>people will read in the Diary today, he left a

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<v Speaker 3>whole heap of money on the table.

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<v Speaker 4>He said in his behind the scenes documentary, and he

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<v Speaker 4>also said this in an interview with Lisa Mayo in

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<v Speaker 4>The Daily Telegraph a weekend ago, that he decided not

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<v Speaker 4>to fight too hard because he didn't want to go

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<v Speaker 4>through the grief basically of putting his family through the

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<v Speaker 4>uncertainty of a drawn out legal battle. That is something

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<v Speaker 4>that Jackie I was persisting with. She's certainly having a

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<v Speaker 4>drawn out legal battle. But Kyle kind of made a

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<v Speaker 4>virtue of not having got all the money. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's done the sensible thing right, Like he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to be back on air. He doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>spend two years fighting his former employer in court and

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<v Speaker 3>them saying he's a nasty man who picked on his

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<v Speaker 3>co host doesn't want that, doesn't need it. He wants

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<v Speaker 3>to get on. He's clearly, as I say, to convince

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<v Speaker 3>so many people to subscribe already. He's a very smart,

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<v Speaker 3>sophisticated operator, he said, in those stories you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>we accentuate elements of our personality. What you hear on

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<v Speaker 3>the radio is Kyle up to eleven out of ten,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So he's done a very sensible thing and

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<v Speaker 3>take a small one out. What I have heard from

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<v Speaker 3>my sources within ARN is that they had budgeted thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five million dollars for a payout. That's how much they

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<v Speaker 3>were prepared to pay him. He has I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't think they have thirty five million dollars just quietly

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<v Speaker 4>down the.

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<v Speaker 3>Back of the couch. They're going to pass the hat around.

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<v Speaker 3>Can everyone chip in? But that's what they were budgeting,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think from Kyle's legal team they hoping for

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<v Speaker 3>at least forty He's negotiated behind all the legal legals

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<v Speaker 3>backs his own deal with Aaran's former CEO Kiaran Davis

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<v Speaker 3>for twelve million and some contra advertising. And for him

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<v Speaker 3>it's weird. He's left potentially twenty million dollars on the table,

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<v Speaker 3>but he wants a plan moving forward. It's interesting, like,

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<v Speaker 3>if that had consumed his life for two years, what

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<v Speaker 3>do you think, given he wants to cure in the media,

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<v Speaker 3>is that the right call.

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<v Speaker 4>He would have spent five million on legal fees during

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<v Speaker 4>that time, and if he'd lost, he would have ended

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<v Speaker 4>up having to pay Arn's legal costs as well.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Prince Harry nightmare.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, where you end up in a really potentially awful situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle talks a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>About having been a homeless kid, and I think that

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<v Speaker 4>has shaped him, that scarcity and fear of not having

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<v Speaker 4>an income. I mean, he's also of the generation like

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<v Speaker 4>you and I who entered the workforce when we had

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<v Speaker 4>ten percent unemployment, when there was a recession that we

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<v Speaker 4>had to have.

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<v Speaker 3>And so these are the good old days boy talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>But it has created I think a mentality in this

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<v Speaker 4>generation of young gen x's or elder millennials, whatever you

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<v Speaker 4>want to call us, that we want jobs. We want

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<v Speaker 4>to be employed, and an ongoing source of income, even

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<v Speaker 4>if you are actually the employer, which he is, is

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<v Speaker 4>better than a lump of cash in the hand because

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<v Speaker 4>that can get fritted away really quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>And also I think had he gone to court, the

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<v Speaker 3>damage to his reputation would have probably meant there's a

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<v Speaker 3>chance that he may never have recovered from that, because,

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<v Speaker 3>as we're talking about with Alan Jones, no matter what

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<v Speaker 3>the outcome is, some of that you know, what seeks

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<v Speaker 3>the tars sticks or what is.

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<v Speaker 4>It like a tar baby is something that you touch

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<v Speaker 4>that you just can't let go of, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the rare rabbit stories, all right, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And also you become a nobody very quickly in media.

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<v Speaker 4>The stress of being the employer. That's something I admire

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<v Speaker 4>in Kyle. He has spoken about feeling the responsibility to

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<v Speaker 4>employ all the people who had been hunted by arn

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<v Speaker 4>because he really was responsible and employed them all straight away.

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<v Speaker 4>That also gave a sense of urgency. He had a

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<v Speaker 4>wages bill.

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<v Speaker 2>To meet every week. He couldn't let that cootcase drag on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the interesting things about Kyle, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think a lot of people think, you know, buff head, buffoonery,

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<v Speaker 3>toilet humor, talking about very explicit content some of the times,

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<v Speaker 3>but he is such a mature guy and the level

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<v Speaker 3>of responsibility he's taken so from that team folty. You

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<v Speaker 3>can see he's employed like more than half a dozen

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<v Speaker 3>people because he feels this and people people who know

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<v Speaker 3>Kyle always say, you know, he has a team view,

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<v Speaker 3>even though he's Kyle. It's us versus them, it's us,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the team project. And the fact that he hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>just gone all right, I've lost my job and I've

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<v Speaker 3>lost my income. All right, you guys were all out

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<v Speaker 3>for ourselves. Now he has made a deal. Probably part

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<v Speaker 3>of his reasoning to get this twelve million rather than

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<v Speaker 3>fight for an extra twenty over two years, is he's

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<v Speaker 3>not just going all right, I've got my twelve million.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to use that on my mortgage and make

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<v Speaker 3>sure I'm set. He's used that to employ a whole

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<v Speaker 3>host of people that he feels a loyalty to. It

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<v Speaker 3>is very rare in media to see someone who takes

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<v Speaker 3>that responsibility seriously, and I think it speaks volumes to

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<v Speaker 3>his character to an extent that I don't think a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people were aware of just how loyal this

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<v Speaker 3>guy is and how when you're in the trenches with Kyle,

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<v Speaker 3>he's got your back, right, He's got your back, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's got your bank account.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll be expecting you to continue paying my wage

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<v Speaker 4>if we ever get.

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<v Speaker 3>Punted, Jack all right, we'll find out next week. Thanks Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, thank you.

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