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Speaker 1: Well, the Japanese Grand Prix are delivered on all fronts.

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Speaker 1: Mark Marquez sealed his ninth world title, Peger Banoya finally

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Speaker 1: remembered what the top step feels like, and Juan Mayn

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Speaker 1: Honda not only finished a race, but actually landed on

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Speaker 1: the podium. Yes, folks, miracles do happen in Moto GP.

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Speaker 1: Pit Talk is proudly sponsored by Shannon's Insurance. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Rinita Vanmulan. Alongside me is the statman, mister Matt Clayton.

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Speaker 1: But today we've got a very special guest. He's one

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Speaker 1: half of the Oxley Bomb Podcast, Championship winning data technician

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Speaker 1: and crew chief turned journalist Extraordinary. I hope I've given

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Speaker 1: you enough of an intro with that, Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Peter Bomb. Peter, welcome to the Fox Sports Pit Talk Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks, Anita, you really made an there. I don't

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Speaker 2: happy to be here with you guys and Rinda.

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Speaker 3: I thought the funny part about your intro was when

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Speaker 3: you said Juan Mirron miracle. I thought you were going

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Speaker 3: with the pun headline there that he was actually on

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Speaker 3: the podium, So it was an unintentional comedy with the

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Speaker 3: Miracle Podium version one in Japan, But there you go.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was intentional, but maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Well oh well, I mean, look, I don't know about

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Speaker 1: you guys, but when I saw obviously marketing the Championship

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Speaker 1: And Matt, I know it wasn't on yours either.

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Speaker 3: No, definitely not. You know, it's it's been a long

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Speaker 3: But one of those weird ones in that you would

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Speaker 3: looked pretty convincing to me. But I'm sure we'll get

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Speaker 1: Definitely, I think obviously the major talking point Mark Marquez, like,

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Speaker 1: best comebacks that we've seen in sport, Matt. We've spoken

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Speaker 1: about it on previous episodes. It's like comparing Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: But that's the entertainment side of it. Put Away, Peter,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from you something we've spoke about.

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Speaker 1: Matt wrote an article for Fox Sports about is this

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Speaker 1: his best championship that he's ever won? What's your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on this year? Is it Mark being on the best

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Speaker 2: The stars out aligned. It was bound to become a

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Speaker 2: I was hugely, hugely impressed with Mark when he jumped

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Speaker 4: But you combine.

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Speaker 3: for twenty twenty seven, and who's going to take an

434
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 3: educated gamble to try and be at that place as

435
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 3: it rises up at the right time to take the

436
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 3: benefit of what these two guys bring. It's a really

437
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 3: interesting little subplot for next year.

438
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: I think, just speaking about all the rooms for next year,

439
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 2: where's the monitor right that they're going to get on

440
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,199
Speaker 2: their back. They have the perfect riders for where they

441
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 2: are now, but not to become world champion. Yeah, correct,

442
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: we need a little more aliens because if you don't

443
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 2: have enough to get any manufacturer at least one, yes

444
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 2: are It's an interesting situation. But cerdainly, I Meanzeki doesn't

445
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: suddenly turn an alien. Horra Matin was never an alien,

446
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: but I rated him higher. But I'm drifting away for

447
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 2: and what I want to say, Yama has Harvey Quadrado.

448
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 2: That is for me, it's a full full alien on

449
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: the sort of let go because they are too deep

450
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: in the ship to to even can use an alien.

451
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 2: They would only demoralize him. But they're looking now on

452
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: the on the on the Motor two and on other

453
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: especially Motor two guys. And you look for a guy

454
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: that shows enough of the signs from being special that

455
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: not necessarily the guy that wins everything in a row.

456
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean, would be quite handy if your Muto two winner,

457
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 2: But it depends on more things in your character and

458
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 2: and your family, your friends, your background, especially how you

459
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: came here and how you work with your crew the way.

460
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 2: I had an interview with Akiio when Sapang earlier this

461
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: year about the steps from Motor three, from European Championship

462
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 2: to Motor three to Multitude to moltigip what you look for,

463
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: because you know you have to speak to Akiyo. He

464
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 2: knows everything, and he said, we we look, we look obviously,

465
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: we look at the results. You've got to be a

466
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: bit special for your age. Already very young. But then

467
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 2: we start to look at everything around it, he said, honestly, Peter,

468
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 2: but we paid it of aa costa. We barely speak

469
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 2: about the bike. He does a couple of many bit

470
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 2: poult travata, and then the other guy's about the bikes.

471
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: But we have more work at the moment to pay

472
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: the costa. Keeping his head straight, keeping him normal, keeping

473
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: his feet on the ground. You're protecting him from all

474
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: weird influences from managers and shit and journalists and people

475
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: that tell him is the best you know, if you're

476
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: that young, if you're seventeen, eighteen ninety years and everybody

477
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: has already told you for five years, you're the best

478
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: thing since Mark mcas you're a new Mark Marquest. At

479
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: some point you believe it. You can't even blame them.

480
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: So if you come in the box, you look on

481
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 2: the TV screen j on screen number two, then for

482
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: sure something's wrong with the bike, because I'm the next

483
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 2: marquess and that stops your development. You have to have

484
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 2: your feed on the ground and say no, no, no, that

485
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 2: wasn't really that great.

486
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 4: The way paid, of course, has started the year.

487
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: For sure, Okay had spent some time, needed to spend

488
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: some time with him and bring him down on the ground.

489
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 2: Come on, that's not enough. This Acosta was good this week.

490
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: Is definitely put his ship together again and riding the

491
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: wheels of the thing. That's not competitivele enough, But anyway,

492
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: I give it everything. So I want every many factor

493
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: have an alien. But we're running out of aliens.

494
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: We need more aliens. Ronda, I know you've got something

495
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: cueued up here. I want to just say stay on

496
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: one point here, Peter, you mentioned Quasarro before. He, to

497
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 3: my mind, is the second best rider in motor GP

498
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: if you were to line them all up and pick

499
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 3: them like picking football teams in the school yard. I guess.

500
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: So we discussed before about Honda having kick clear of Yamaha.

501
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: Kuatatero is right now Yamaha's biggest asset. It's the greatest

502
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 3: asset that manufacturer has. Where are Yamaha falling behind? What

503
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: do they need to do? Because there is a ticking

504
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 3: clock here with quashurero in that if he doesn't see

505
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 3: a level of development and progress that he thinks is acceptable,

506
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: then Yamaha run the risk of seeing their greatest asset leave.

507
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 3: What do Yamaha need to do to get back into

508
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: this and there's no magic bullets in motor GP. But

509
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 3: is the V four something close to being what he

510
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 3: needs to see to actually commit to them longer term.

511
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 2: It's pardof development. There's not enough they need to pick

512
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: up the speed. It takes them too long. The V

513
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 2: four looks beautiful and it looks very, very promising, but

514
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: it's too late. The bike that arrived shield of arrived

515
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 2: months ago already with that pace and then improving it

516
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: takes them all the time. Everything takes them too long

517
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: in Yamaha, which is a surprise because Yama is a

518
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: manufacturer in my eyes that historically already was working a lot,

519
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot really together with the Europeans, instead

520
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 2: of we do everything in Japan, send it europe has

521
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: to be good.

522
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: If it's not good, send it back.

523
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: We make something better to work a lot with European engineers,

524
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: technicians and workshops and stuff. But somehow it you know,

525
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 2: you know, the Japanese culture probably better than me. But

526
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: they like check cross check check again because you're always

527
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: very fucking responsible for something on the line went wrong

528
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: and you signed it, so you take your time to

529
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: sign and this delays everything. Gig flies home and has

530
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: an id. The next morning, the three D printer is rolling.

531
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: The day after that, piro Vision Magello riding around think

532
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: about Honga. I spoke to Alex Bomgarten from Colix when

533
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: he was working for Hondo when he designed the sashis before.

534
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: He's very very uh discrete, so he didn't say any sicket,

535
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: but he told me without telling it me, he told

536
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: me how long the process was. So he has all

537
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: the dimensions, makes the sashi, then has to send it

538
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: to Japan. There it has to go to two three departments,

539
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: then it comes back to Europe to be tested. That's

540
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: already Sashi in number five for every Hony manufacturer, So

541
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: Honda was always in delay at that time. The Honda

542
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: got that ship together by buying a European manager and

543
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: giving him enough freedom from Auprelia to work in the

544
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: in the European way. That's what they did. That makes

545
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: the difference in Honda and Yama.

546
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 4: They have also, I.

547
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: Mean they bought Gigi's brother more or less young brothers as.

548
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 4: Well, so that's cool.

549
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: But somehow in the whole culture this this Max Bottolini

550
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: probably doesn't have enough freedom to really forge things to speed.

551
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: Up.

552
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: When Jiji first was asked for CUTI, he didn't got

553
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: the free hand completely as you wanted it, so he

554
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: stayed in Noala, and then they come back for him again.

555
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: He said, but you can only do that job properly

556
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: if you got a complete free hand.

557
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: There will always be some director.

558
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: From some department that's very fucking important and interesting and

559
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: makes it and makes your decision. Stop has to check

560
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: it as well first, and then you're gone. You know,

561
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: racing is a very fast moving it's not about being

562
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: so much smarter than the other by keeping a little

563
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: adventage all the time over the competition. That's only done

564
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: by quick decisions, hardworking quick decisions, especially quicker reactions to

565
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: what happens. Him at the CUTI is the master, you

566
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: tell him it, but purely also approved this year by

567
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: by improving so much during the season that they understand

568
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: that as well. KTM is all sorts of other troubles

569
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: and Yama for me, if you come back to Yama

570
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: for me, it all takes just too long. They kept

571
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: on working on the inline for it. They made thousand engines,

572
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: one hundred exhaust and it was always worse, and finally

573
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: they found an inline for it was just a little

574
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: bit more faster and then didn't destroy the whole riding

575
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: capacities of the Yama for the first time only the

576
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: last engine was not destroying the Sashi. Well, that's a

577
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: very worrying thing. That took them way too much. But

578
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: from what you can see from the outside, the V

579
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: four look beautiful and the riders that we were allowed

580
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: to speak to were all like what you expect them

581
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: to say, you know, I expect the jack to say.

582
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: The jacks professional, he knew what to say.

583
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: Fabio Cottrado is also professional, but he has a different agenda.

584
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: He's not injectious. He is in a different party in

585
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: his career. He is still I think Fabi is till

586
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: twenty six somethings, really really young. Yeah, so he just

587
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: says it's crap, it's ship, it's crap, it's nothing.

588
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: You know.

589
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't even want to say anything good about the bike,

590
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: but that's his agenda. He's putting pressure on Yama. It's

591
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 2: not a negative guy. He doesn't have a negative outlook

592
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: on life. Fabia Coatrado. He just tries everything he can

593
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: to force Yama to speed up the development. These guys,

594
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 2: they know a lot more than they can tell us.

595
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: They and they all speak with each other as well.

596
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: Factors can be neighbors. You know, they go cycling every

597
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: day in under each other. Yeah, there is a lot

598
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: more information flowing going on on that level than we

599
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: think it is. Especially after that I either realized it's

600
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: probably a next year in this team or for sure

601
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: I'm next year in that other team. Then you know,

602
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: there's a lot that is very little secrets. There's only

603
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: us that are the latest people to hear something, and

604
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: then because we love it so much. But that is

605
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: a whole different amount of layers of what really is

606
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: happening in MONTI tip was a long answer. I promise

607
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: you to be sure, sorry to cut me short.

608
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I loved it.

609
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: I loved it.

610
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: You mentioned Jack there, and that was my next thought

611
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: that I wanted to ask you because I know you

612
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: and Matt spoke to Jack recently. We heard that interview

613
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: come out on your podcast. We only see what we

614
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: see on the TV. And I spent a little bit

615
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: of time with Jack and I think it was in

616
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: Aragon earlier this year, but I don't know the ins

617
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: and outs. I was just seeing Jack as the person.

618
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: In your opinion, is he doing enough to be helping

619
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: that the Yamaha and grow and get the results, because

620
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, we saw obviously the chain incident on the weekend,

621
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: we've seen Jack go from reasonably good results and then

622
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: other weekends. Is ship to say it nicely, what's your

623
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: thoughts on Jack this.

624
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Year, Yamma, I should hold of Jack because his feedback

625
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: is gold. He's an old school writer that knows way

626
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 2: too much about the motorbike, which usually is a problem.

627
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: And there is no way too much. It usually is

628
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: a problem because then they once you understand a couple

629
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: of things, you conclude other things and then cuddainly' you've

630
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: become a Sashi engineer. You know. No, no, no, I don't

631
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: want to pivot there. I want to pivot here, I

632
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: want to swing. I'm like this, I want central graffty there.

633
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: Otherwise doesn't that that's that's that's Jack knows a lot,

634
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: But at the same time he says, I leave it

635
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: to the engineers to do something with it. I just

636
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: tell how it feels to me and what I would

637
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: have done to other bikes or what I've done in

638
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: the past with other bikes. That helped me a lot

639
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: and then leave it to you guys. He is very

640
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: very sensitive, so at the moment is very important for

641
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: the Yama project in my eyes.

642
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's it.

643
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: At the moment is I don't even understand why it

644
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: took them so long to the side, and that's probably

645
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: proof of that everything takes the long on Yama. It's

646
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: no brain to hire check. It's also no brain to

647
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: to start making Vivo very fucking quickly.

648
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: But they didn't.

649
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: The bike wasn't The bike looks beautiful from the outside,

650
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: but I was close to one of the bikes actually

651
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: to Jacks, the bike that was waiting in Jeck side

652
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: of the garage in Misiano on Monday, there was not

653
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: a finished bike that that was not a finished bike.

654
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: It wasn't It wasn't bad.

655
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: But Yama usually when they bring a new bike, it's

656
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: more refined, more details are already sort in a beautiful,

657
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: nice way like you can like you can push the

658
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: button and you make ten thousands of them to sell

659
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: them in Asia. That's normally prototype from Yama or Honda.

660
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: Not this one, not this one. To work a lot

661
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: on it, very very hard. It was still in the

662
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: stadium like, you shouldn't bring it to a test, you

663
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: should bring it still to you bring it with a

664
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: private test, and then right around with it. I think

665
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: they only brought it to you go back to the

666
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: to the to what you said. They what they're going

667
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: to do to keep Fabio Quadrao interested. So make sure

668
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: we have a couple of fee for us righting around

669
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: with it. Obviously you're going to tell the pressure you

670
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 2: hate it because you wanted to go faster. But anyway,

671
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: you have a taste of it, and the bike was

672
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: at least not slower than the in line, for which

673
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: is a good thing. It's not easy to be faster

674
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: than fully. I mean, the development cycle of the N

675
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: one is thousand years. It was very also very interesting

676
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: to hear him talk about in when we had the

677
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: injury with him. He said, it's immediately a nice, friendly bike.

678
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: You can sort of immediately smell and feel okay, there

679
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: is there is a lot of years of development in

680
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: this bike. Everything fits, everything is nice, everything works. But

681
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: it's also probably an end on the end, because bikes

682
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: on the end of there of the.

683
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: Life cycle are usually beautiful. I never buy a new

684
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 4: motorbike because it always is full of bucks.

685
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: But by the time they stopped that model, it's the

686
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: best moment to buy it.

687
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: So jejection on the bike.

688
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: There is the end of the of the life from

689
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: the M one in line and it's a beautiful, beautiful bike,

690
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: but it's it's a dinosaur as well. Multiv bikes shouldn't

691
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: be look like that and shouldn't be ridden like that.

692
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: We need other bikes because tires dictate the development, and

693
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: tires are so different, but they're already very different for many,

694
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: many years, and yama didn't pick that up well enough,

695
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: It's gone.

696
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, Matt, I just was thinking then always even though

697
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Fabruary is only ever ridden Yamaheimoto GP. We saw Mark

698
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: go from obviously Honda, did you Caddy, how difficult is

699
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: it for him to then go from the in line

700
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: to the V for Is he going to have to

701
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: change like his riding style or is it because he

702
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: is the alien like you guys are saying, it's going

703
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: to be simpler for him, and it's the bike that

704
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: needs to.

705
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: It's not going to be simple. Look, because remember what

706
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: I said about Mark, I was I was maybe the

707
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: most one of the most interesting thing I've seen Mark

708
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: doing for years is adopting himself in how less than

709
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: how he last already the Gatti, So you really have

710
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: to to change your approach. And he is a little

711
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: bit like Mark, like over aggressive over the front, you know,

712
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: top rack style into the car and you can't do that.

713
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 4: That's slow.

714
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: That's really really slow on a good motor t bike.

715
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: Don't do that.

716
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 2: So obviously we media as people that we are asking

717
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: this all the time. He knew he can see these

718
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: questions coming and he is is his reaction is faster,

719
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: and then then is then you know, it's really really

720
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: fast saying no, that's not a problem.

721
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 4: I don't need to change my riding style.

722
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: I will be immediately fast on if the v force good,

723
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: I will be fast. But these answers came so quickly

724
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 2: that he knew them. He knew them, he knows what

725
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: to say. He is using us to forge Yama, but

726
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: really like it's really good pointing it that he has

727
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: to prove something because you're only an alien alien if

728
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: you went to a completely different bike and adjusted to it.

729
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: Of course, the Yama is like the easiest bike. It's

730
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: still a fucking fast motortor bike. The real proper motorbike

731
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: st a multiviewbacks are pretty undergarded. They have to be

732
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: ridden very differently, very unnatural.

733
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: We see, No, that's we've Peter, we've touched on the

734
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: other four manufacturers. To my mind, across the last half

735
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: an hour or so, I did want to get to

736
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: a Prillier and just ask you to put your Massamo

737
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: Rivela hat on here. Imagine that you're managing that team.

738
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: What's the conversation with Jorge Martin like after what happens

739
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: on the first lap of the sprint at Motegi, Because

740
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: you've spent that much money on this guy this year

741
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: and he's had three major injuries already, and then we

742
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: saw what happened in the first quarter at Motegi. He's

743
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: out again, he's broken his right collar bone. He'll at

744
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: least miss Indonesia. Who knows when he comes back. But

745
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: if you're Masimo at this point, what's that conversation like,

746
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: Because it's got to the point now where JORGEI has been,

747
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: you know, the author of his own story this year,

748
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: and that so many of these injuries feel self inflicted.

749
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: How do you sit down with your rider and have

750
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: that chat at this point, that's a tough conversation is it.

751
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I'm not him because I will be

752
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: way too much. I'm Dutch, so I'm straight. You know whatever,

753
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: you will know there was no there's no fucking around

754
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: or talking around it. We call us paper paid and

755
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: we love that. So I'm glad I'm not the guy

756
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 2: because Horror will be crying out of the the truck

757
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: and go home and never look at me again.

758
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 4: We can't do that.

759
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: So mas Mo Rivela has done miracles with Horror by

760
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: accepting and then turning the whole thing around what horr

761
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: Ho already inflicted on himself, you know, by trying to

762
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: sneak out to home, Diane Sonia, all the ship he

763
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: brought over himself, It's all down to him. Everything was

764
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 2: down to himself. Everything that went wrong was Horror matching

765
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: all the time. Whether you go out on the medium

766
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: tired that everybody knows you's a punkt as, don't even

767
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 2: look at it, don't even bring it in the grass.

768
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: We don't need that medium retired. It's fucking dangerous, it's

769
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: too coldish money.

770
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 4: We stay in the box.

771
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: One guys goes out, that's the same guy that told her,

772
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: told us the day before on the on the the

773
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 2: little on the press meeting, in the in the media

774
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: center span. We're obviously asking him, Okay, now you're leading

775
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: the development, how you deal with the pressure? Speaking of

776
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: speaking of questions, and he said pressure.

777
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: Pressure.

778
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: Last year was pressure. I was fighting for the championship.

779
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: Now I'm leading the development. That's easy for me. I

780
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: can lead the development. And next morning he goes out

781
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: when nobody wanted to go out on the wrong tie.

782
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: He crashes, immediately goes back to the bog, go out

783
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: again on the same tie which was down even colder,

784
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: and then really break something. Okay, that's a difficult start

785
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: of disease, but it wasn't the empty The whole sequence

786
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: of things that they all did to himself started from

787
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: there on. Yeah, he he has dropped a little bit

788
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: from where I put him last year. He's the guy

789
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: that is an example of if you put him in

790
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: a very stable situation like Pramr Dukatti is the best

791
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: team in the world for a rider to be because

792
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: he got all the advantage of a factory team without

793
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: the bullshit and without the pressure. Just these are just

794
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 2: a group of friends that love each other and go racing.

795
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 4: That's product.

796
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: Even now with Yama, they love to go racing. They're

797
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: all these friends everybody. I mean, if you're not happy

798
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: in Primark, you're in trouble, you will maybe you know

799
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: you're the problem. Possible, that's impossible. So he got all

800
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: the stars aligned for a couple of years, and then

801
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: he did a really really good job by just beating Peko.

802
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: But now now it shows that he still has a

803
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: lot of learning to do. He's a bit of immaturity,

804
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: can be a bit of wild thinking left and right,

805
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: up and down. As I mean, on his days, it's

806
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: not believed. On his days he's a lot better than Pekabayaya.

807
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: On his days, then Horroratin's more special. But there has

808
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: to be too many stars aligned for too long to

809
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: keep him in line. I have a big respect for

810
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: Apprelia for not having already the whole relationship destroyed, which

811
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: he tried to do. But yeah, that that conversation must

812
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: have been happened. Must have happened. But I also point

813
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: a little bit to the technical regulations. If you listen

814
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: to our podcast a couple of times, we do that

815
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: every now and then. Yeah, because we shouldn't we shouldn't

816
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: arrive at turn one at multijip races with the bike

817
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: that front are rail loaded, stripped to the ground, cannot

818
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: move to left and right and accelerate quite easily all

819
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: the same, so you still arrive with the high speed

820
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: with the group completely. Look at all the races, how

821
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: people arrive at turn one, not as close a group

822
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: as they are now, and the bikes now when they

823
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: arrive at turn one, everybody is on a higher speed

824
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: than effort, and then they have to be to do

825
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: something very unnatural. They take the break, but not too

826
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: aggressive because first year bike have to go back into

827
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: the normal position. Then you break and juggle for opposition.

828
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: It's always the first road that does everything perfect because

829
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: they have easy life. Second lad tries to make up

830
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: second row, try to make up some places. If you're lucky,

831
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: dive in all that's it. But after the second row,

832
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: that's the jungle, that's where everything goes wrong. He came

833
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: from row four or five. He should have been more

834
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: patient and dive in a hole that exists as far

835
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: as you can still maneuver these things before you break,

836
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: but he was immediately. He was way too early out

837
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: of control. And then you're a passenger on current multipeed bikes.

838
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: Once decided to start your breaking action just two meters later,

839
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: and everybody else and he already knew what was going

840
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: to ship. And you're a passion You sit on the check,

841
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: goes to ride because you get pushed by somebody else.

842
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: Then you're on the door, Then you're locking the front,

843
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: then you have to open the front. Then you know

844
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: it's got its bowling time. So he took out only

845
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: one rider, but you don't make that shit up.

846
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: It's his teammates, the only the only person you don't

847
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: want to take it in that situation.

848
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: I don't want we don't want whole shot devices on bike,

849
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: really don't want them. They bring nothing but danger. We

850
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: get rid of them, but better yesterday than twenty seven.

851
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: So I think my takeaway from that is Pete's really

852
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: looking forward to twenty twenty seven.

853
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think we all are.

854
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah right. They will change

855
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: everything everything because as all the riders tell us, all

856
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: we do is follow the tires. The tires are when

857
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: you draw a new motorcycle, you start with taking two

858
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: tires on your desk and then start to think what

859
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: to do with them, just these two tires, not because

860
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: anytime tied, it's really tired. It's mission I. Once you

861
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: understand your tires, everything is dedicated to understand and make

862
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: the best out of these tires. And Missilion's tires are

863
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: are very weird. They have a rear tire it's unbelievably

864
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: fucking beautiful and a front tiree that's difficult to say

865
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: the least, and then never change it. That's the DNA

866
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: of these tires. We go to other tires, which in

867
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: the end we also have their downfall because when you

868
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: push tires day and night, every minute to the limit,

869
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: you will feel something whoa, that's the way. It's reaction

870
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: on why he's doing that. But in the end the

871
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: tires will be so different, so it will be interesting

872
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: to sue you picks up what to do with the

873
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: new tires. The first my guess is new Kati, but

874
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: I don't say right.

875
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: Well, on that note, we still have twenty twenty five

876
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: to go and there is five more races, so we

877
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: are still in the fly aways. Indonesia is up next,

878
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: which is this weekend, but the same weekend as a

879
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Formula one. So listeners, if you divide it between what

880
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: to watch Motor GP all the way, formula's a night racing.

881
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: It's not even two wheels too many, right, correct? But Peter,

882
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: thank you so much for be coming on the podcast

883
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: all that. If one, listeners are gonna like tune out now,

884
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: but thank you again for coming on the fit Talk podcast. Honestly,

885
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: every time I listen to you on on.

886
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: Already now we just thought. Now I feel a little

887
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: bit and I feel bad actually now because I'm like,

888
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, I have no self control because you guys,

889
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: you guys. I feel like I'm trapped because you give

890
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: me a question that you know I really loved, and

891
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: then I give a more explanation about it, and then

892
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: you say something again and I'm like, oh, there was

893
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: a bit too much about me. Maybe, sure that they've

894
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 2: had more like a conversation that I feel think because.

895
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: They get enough of being Matt all the time, They're like,

896
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: what's a new voice on here? We get someone else

897
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: to listen to, so they're gonna love it. So listeners,

898
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: if we've had it, say a million times, go and

899
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: listen to the offstly Bomb podcast because me and Matt

900
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: do all the time and we learn so much from yourself, Peter,

901
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: But I need to tell everyone so Peter actually worked

902
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: with my brother back in the Super Sports?

903
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: Can it?

904
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Can I speak of Of course she can, of course

905
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: she can.

906
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: Nah. I feel a little bit embarrassed when I'm with

907
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: you because all the time I want to speak because

908
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: I worked three years with Chris and you were just

909
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: a very little girl at the time, so we have

910
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: no real history. But every time I speak with you,

911
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: I want to speak about Chris, which is a bit

912
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: shit because it's more about you now at the moment. Yeah,

913
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: where to start about Chris? Like I so I worked.

914
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: I was lucky enough to after Chris.

915
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: Chris was in my first couple of years in racing

916
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: as a professional, and then later I had the fortune

917
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: and also had the misfortune to work with some very

918
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: very good sometimes very not so good writers. So after

919
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 2: many years I see more who he was at that time,

920
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: how he was quite specially many many ways. And I

921
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: start with the downside of Chris. Just not give him

922
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: too much praise, just to piss him off. He was scarred,

923
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: he was a pussy. He hated to crash, He really didn't.

924
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: He crashed very very often when he crashed. He looked

925
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: at us like something really really terrible just happened. I mean, fuck, man,

926
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: you're just crashed. Everybody does that all the time. He

927
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: crashed very very few. But it's also a testimony of

928
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: his unbelievable skills he had. He had super farst reflexes

929
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: I hand coordination. These reflexes are unbelievable. But he hated risk,

930
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: so you can also say this is unbelievable how far

931
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: you can get by taking very very little risk, even

932
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: if it looked unbelievably scary. What he did, like winning

933
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: wet multijip races, he was in control. He was in control.

934
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: That that is a testimony to his talent. But he

935
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 2: could have done a couple of championships, probably more if

936
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: he should have had less problem at putting things on

937
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: the line, making taking a little bit more risk. But

938
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: that's that's like a constructive It sounds too negative because

939
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: it also made him having a nice, good long life,

940
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: still having, you know, having having a good life. He

941
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: was always such a nice person because he didn't need

942
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: to destroy everybody. I've worked with some top riders that

943
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: looking back, yeah, we became world champion, But was he

944
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: a nice kind not at all.

945
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: He was actually an ashole. You know.

946
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: He was fully in his own don wanted to be

947
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: every five minutes, needed to prove it. He was faster

948
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: and clever than everybody else. Not Chris. Chris was just

949
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: but just your neighborhood guy that is just happy to

950
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: ride around on one wheel all day and be friendly

951
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: to everybody. You put him on a motorbike, he accident

952
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: it sort of wins it doesn't find it very special

953
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: and also not very just too natural. It was just

954
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: too natural at that time. Riding in the rain was

955
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: a different game. Rain tires were crap and we had

956
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: a crap tire. The first Pirellian rain tied all the

957
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: parly ties and beginning the super bike were unbelievably shit.

958
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: This saved his career a little because he was so

959
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: good in managing when there is almost like no grip.

960
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: So two short stories. We go to Laguna Seca the

961
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: first time with the superbike. I'm so happy to have

962
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: tick the box Lagunaseka because you need to be there,

963
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: and we go there with just like I think we

964
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: had four people and Chris. That's five people in total,

965
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: two small crates and we were neighbors with the Petrona

966
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: Superbike team from Foggy. They had twenty thousand crates, three

967
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: pit boxes, burning the midnight.

968
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 4: Oil, doing zero results.

969
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: We had two creates, one spare faring and one engine.

970
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: That was all we had.

971
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: All we had and a laptop, my laptop and Chris

972
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: put it on polem in both races. But all he

973
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: did was very early realizing. He came in the first

974
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: session in the middle of the first thing. He said, guys,

975
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: that is just it's not just little grip. There's just

976
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: no crypt. Okay, we go left, we go right, we

977
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: go up, we go down. Halfway the second session, we said, Chris,

978
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 2: on Friday afternoon, we will not fight grip, just deal

979
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: with it. And the CUTI was sending overnight stuff from

980
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: Bologna another link rage show for the shock for they

981
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: were doing everything to look for grip and never found it.

982
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: E when it's not there, it's better too earlier say

983
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: there is no grip and I just deal with it.

984
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: And he loved he should have won a moultijiped there

985
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, it's an unbelievable track. So he was

986
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: nobody knew who specially he was at that time because

987
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: that home now was not. We called it the ship

988
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: was just a stock pike. It was really a super

989
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: stock pike, an unbelievable thing. Next thing in the rain,

990
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: we were giving him another. He was already winning everything

991
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: in the rain. He was always fast. So but still

992
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: we've thought our bike had a lot of talk and

993
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: a little bit aggressive talk on the first opening of

994
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: the talk, so you break, you break away the traction

995
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: and then you have to always have to wait too

996
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: long before it comes.

997
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 4: Back and you lose your exits.

998
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: So we made him an a trottle trottle grip from

999
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: the handlebar that had like a not line yar motion.

1000
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: So the first couple of degrees it was like you

1001
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: move a lot with your hand, but the real butterflies

1002
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: on the engine don't open a lot, and so on

1003
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: and so on. You know, to give him more feeling

1004
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: for first opening, he goes out with it super fast

1005
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: with it in the wet and then comes back. So

1006
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: now I don't want it, because yeah, it helps me

1007
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: be by opening, but when I have a slide, I

1008
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: also need more time to come back completely. I like

1009
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: the short, aggressive trottle because I have the speed. So

1010
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: there's two things remarkable in the first that he can

1011
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: do that. He has these reflexes. But secondly he realized

1012
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: what was happening with his hand, with his brain when

1013
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: something happened. Now, I work with a lot of riders,

1014
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 2: but not many riders have that level of know how,

1015
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: what and why they do what they do. Chris was unbelievable.

1016
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: That's why he started his debrief. We always asked him

1017
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: because if there was little time after the race, we

1018
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: always ask him because on Sunday after the race, you have,

1019
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: you know, everything you wanted to throw on Friday, but

1020
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: it's only after race and it's too easy to then

1021
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: go on the plane, go home, and then two weeks

1022
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: later we see each other or another track. So we

1023
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: asked Chris to write down how a normal lap in

1024
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: that race felt and what was good, what was bad,

1025
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: And he always started with the same sentence when I

1026
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: break for the first turn. But he was just writing

1027
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: in the plane by hand, and it was an unbelievable

1028
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: long story, which told me. For him to turn one

1029
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: in Valencia, it doesn't take three seconds, it takes three hours.

1030
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: The way he understands it, he has he is like

1031
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: a super fast data recorder with a lot of channels

1032
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: at the same time, and he kind knows where where

1033
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: the keys of the temper are at the same time

1034
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: while losing the front and correcting it. That feedback was

1035
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: unbelievable always, that was very, very impressive. So yeah, if

1036
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't for him for being a little bit scared,

1037
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: he would have two times Milia, what you will champion now,

1038
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: just kidd just kidding. That was unbelievable. He was unbelievable

1039
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: in that way.

1040
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: I love that you said that, because sorry, man, I

1041
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: was just like talking about Chris now. But I used

1042
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: to ask him because I was so young, like you said,

1043
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: I said, what is it? What is it like? Like

1044
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: what does a race feel like for you? And he

1045
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: said it takes so long because everything's like I could

1046
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: see the seconds, like taking the time to take over.

1047
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: And then hearing you say that, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1048
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: Everything happens in your emotion while in reality soon with

1049
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: the special guys, and he's aware of it and knows

1050
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: how to explain it. It was easy working with him.

1051
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: We didn't look need to look a lot at the data.

1052
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: Of course, his feedback was complete complete.

1053
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Well, just to let you know, we don't do family

1054
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: game night at our house because he just has to

1055
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: win everything, so he does. Take Okay, all right, Peter, Well,

1056
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the Talk podcast

1057
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,200
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