1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Sugar Mamma's Fireplay, the podcast where we 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: explore smart, intelligent ways to create more financial freedom, financial security, 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: and financial abundance in your life. Today's episode is a 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: little different, but in the best possible way, because we're 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: talking about one of the most important investments you'll ever make, 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: your health. I'm joined by doctor Lena Attobo from Oracle Healthcare, 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: who specializes in preventative medicine. Now, preventative healthcare is all 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: about staying one or even two steps ahead of the 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: game when it comes to your overall wellbeing. It's about 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: knowing exactly what's happening in your body before it turns 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: into a major illness as best you possibly can. And 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: here's the kicker. Prevention is always or almost always far 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: cheaper than actual treatment, not just financially, but emotionally and 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: physically too. And that's what I really want to explore 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: today under the guidance of a doctor, doctor Lena Attibo. Now, 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: in a world where the cost of living is rising 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: what feels like every single day, and so many of us, 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: including myself, have found ourselves putting off going and seeing 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: a doctor, or getting that male checked, or getting those 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: important tests done that you know you really need to do, 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: and doctor Attabo is here to help show us how 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: to be as proactive as possible when it comes to 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: our health, but in a budget friendly, practical way. So 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: I'm going to get a little bit passionate during this episode. 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: We're going to cover which checkups are worth investing in, 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: whether supplements and all those fitness health trackers are actually 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: worth the hype, and even some really simple tests that 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: you can actually do at home the cost nothing or 29 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: close to nothing. 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: So whether you're. 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: Thinking about the cost of cancer treatment or simply wanting 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: to live a longer, healthier, happier life with more energy 33 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: and more quality time, this conversation is going to give 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: you tools, clarity, and motivation. I hope to start making 35 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: preventative healthcare a priority in your life along with your 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: financial goal. So let's get cracking, dr Adebo. I'm already 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: getting tongue tisted because I'm so excited about this episode. 38 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: I've been wanting to record this with you for so long, 39 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: and I think I met you probably maybe two or 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: three years ago. We were at a women's lunch, which 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: I think was celebrating International Women's Day, and you said 42 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: something really powerful to me where you said, the cost 43 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: of you know, getting on top of your health is 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: so much cheaper than the actual treatment that's required further 45 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: down the track. And if we all invested, you know, 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: into our health in in a practical way getting checks 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: and tests done, you know, we would take so much 48 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: pressure off our healthcare system. I'm going to get you 49 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: to explain who you are. But this is WHI just 50 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: why I'm so passionate about having you on the show, 51 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: because your answer was just so inspiring and it gave 52 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: me a huge kick up the ass which I really 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: needed to get my health in check and improve my 54 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: health and well being, which I'll come to in a 55 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: little bit. 56 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: But can you explain to. 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: Me your background, who you are, what you do, and 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: your passion and how Oracle Healthcare fits into the piece 59 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: of the puzzle here, because this is really important for 60 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: our listeners. 61 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: I started my medical career thinking I wanted to do 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: acute care, intensive care anesthetics. 64 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: That was my go. 65 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: I realized very quickly because I spent more time talking 66 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: to people in the anesthetic assessment than I should have, 67 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: and I realized that that wasn't where my talent was 68 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: so I left and I went on a journey and 69 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: I found preventative health care and doing health assessments and 70 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: that was so empowering. I finished it, sort of complimented it, 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: going back to UNI and doing metabolic health, doing a 72 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: master's degree in that, and that really opened my eyes 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: to how powerful you can be in delivering prevention and 74 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 3: avoiding the emergency room intensive care, and I just loved it. 75 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: I had the opportunity to set up Oracle health Care, 76 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: and that was twenty twenty two March when we're opened, 77 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: so we're at the end of the pandemic. I had 78 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: returned to a general practice where I found that delivering prevention, 79 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: I didn't have enough time to do it. So it 80 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 3: was a huge opportunity for me to open the clinic. 81 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: It's really a passion of mine. So it's a long journey, 82 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: but I'm here now. 83 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've had a huge impact on many 84 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: people's lives since opening your doors, and obviously prior. Can 85 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: you explain to the listeners right now the difference between 86 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: preventative health care and reactive health care, because for me, 87 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: that was the big light bulb moment where I decided, 88 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: not decided I realized this is a non negotiable. I've 89 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: got to take my health more seriously and be on 90 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: the front foot at all times. 91 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's defining preventative healthcare. Australian Government says, it's just 92 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: looking after your body and your mind. To me, that 93 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: means it's like the six pillars of lifestyle medicine that 94 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 3: we work under in the clinic, which is eat well, 95 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: you know, do physical activity, avoid toxic substances, you know, 96 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: don't drink too much, don't smoke too much, avoid mindfulness 97 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: and meditation. It's another non negotiable to introduce into your 98 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: day and get good quality sleep. There. It's foundational to 99 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: our health and it's becoming more and more important and 100 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: keeping connected with your family, with your friends, and that's 101 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: what the pandemic taught us. 102 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 2: Part of the community. 103 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really so they simple things often overlooked, you know, 104 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: with the hype of let's get your lypopertinent little lay 105 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 3: done and things like that, so you can know if 106 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 3: you have a strong genetic predisposition to heart disease. But 107 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: these are simple tools that everyone can use. 108 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: So when it comes to things like cancer, diabetes and 109 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: heart disease, which obviously, you know are the three biggest 110 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: I guess medical issues that we're facing in this day 111 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: and age. How does preventative healthcare fit in and what 112 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: are the benefits? Like, how beneficial is this? By taking 113 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: a proactive approach. 114 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: You can individually, if you are looking after yourself, we 115 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: can live well for longer. So instead of spending the 116 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: last ten years of our life in frailty, we can 117 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: live ten years longer with good quality life. 118 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: So it's not just about lifespan, it's about health span 119 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: health span. Yeah, okay, So when it comes to budget, friends, 120 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: preventative healthcare because and I think this is so important 121 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: because the cost of going to a doctor I went 122 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: to to the other day, you know, it was one 123 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars. 124 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: It's expensive, and I admit I put it off for 125 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: a while. 126 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, for people who are filling the pinch right now, 127 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: they're on a tight budget, what are the smartest, most 128 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: like its budget friendly ways that they can and include myself, 129 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: prioritize your health in this proactive matter without actually having 130 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: to spend a fortune. 131 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: There's a lot of information that you can access. The 132 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: government have really made available resources and it's not just 133 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: on the web, but it's also within local councils, communities. 134 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: You know, there's screening programs which are completely free. 135 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: Like such as breast checks, like mammograms, press checks, bow 136 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: cancer screening and doing They've just introduced lung cancer. 137 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: Screening which just kicked off in July twenty five. But 138 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: there's eligibility for that for you've been a thirty pack 139 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: year smoker and you age between fifty and seventy five. 140 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: The government has to see that they spending their money 141 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: wisely to you know, pick up the most amount of 142 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: people with lung cancer. You know, there's no point screening 143 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: in your thirties. You know they're going to be screening 144 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: a lot of people and it's going to be spending 145 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: a lot of money, so they're quite targeted. But they 146 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: picked up. You know, it's saving a life and treating 147 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: early is a lot less cost than finding something quite 148 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: late and with expensive treatments. 149 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: I noticed on the back of a bus the other 150 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: day that they now you can actually get a free 151 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Perapsmere home testing. Yes device, they send it to you, 152 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: it's in the mail and you just send it back. 153 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: And then when I did get a check up the 154 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: other day, I was told that you could also do 155 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: a bow cancer screening test at home. It's a kid 156 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: that you get sent automatically when you reach age forty five, 157 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: which I have just recently done. Yes, so there are 158 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: a lot of free resources. So is it just a 159 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: matter of jumping online and seeing what you qualify for 160 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: or is just Medicaate just automatically send you these things 161 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: you know? Or do you need to be making these 162 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: phone calls and requesting these things. 163 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. So with the lung cancer screening, you get registered 164 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: on the National Cancer Screening Service and your GP can 165 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: easily do that when you go and see them. Your 166 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 3: cervical screening that kicks off at twenty five, and again 167 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: it's when you're in the GP and they're like, right, okay, 168 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: you're sexually active. Let's you're twenty five, let's start the 169 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 3: screening process. And that's been a huge success. It's the 170 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: rate of cervical cancer has dropped phenomenally because of this 171 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: premative screening over the years. YEP. So they sort of 172 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: with a little bit of trepidation, they stepped into okay, 173 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: can we do you know self collect where you get 174 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 3: the ket at home and you collect the sample at home, 175 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 3: and it's proving really efficacious because people that were avoiding 176 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: it because it's not very pleasant and to get a 177 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: kit and you just do it simply at home. 178 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the privacy of your own home and it 179 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: costs nothing. You're not having to make a doctor's appointment, 180 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: go sit in a waiting room and then obviously pay 181 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: a certain amount of money to see the doctor, especially 182 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: if you're on a tight budget. 183 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 184 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. The other things are taking a little bit of 185 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: ownership of your own health. Incorporate active living into your day, 186 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: you know. So if you're commuting on a bus to work, 187 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: often I chat with the patient say how about you 188 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: get off a few steps earlier, you know, and walk 189 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: the rest of the way. Incorporate cycling as part of 190 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: the commute. And then there's Active Kids vouchers that you 191 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: can get from Service New South Wales. You can download 192 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: and use those that want to join a club or 193 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: something like that and you can get some rebate for that. 194 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of government incentives that are out there. 195 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: The council, they might have some programs that are running 196 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: that you can engage with. 197 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: A lot of them have noticed, like you know, free 198 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: or budget friendly like yoga classes and tai chi and 199 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: meditation classes as well, or open talks you know, to 200 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: introduce people to these particular exercises or mindfulness activities. You 201 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: know that the Council is such a such an untapped, 202 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: brilliant resource of free or budget friendly activities to help 203 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: improve your physical well being as mental and spiritual wellbeing 204 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: as well. 205 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. 206 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: The other one health coaching. There's a program called get 207 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: Healthy that you can just access online. You can roll 208 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 3: in it yourself or your GP can enroll you. And 209 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: it may be that you want to stop smoking, or 210 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: you want to lose weight, or I want to start exercising, 211 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 3: you know, pre diabetic, I want to start exercising or 212 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: reverse this, you know all those things. You can access 213 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: a health coach and it's free if you're New South 214 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 3: Wales and you're above age sixteen. 215 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it's like having a personal trainer such 216 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: motivational coach in your pocket. 217 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, quick line for stopping smoking. There's a mindfulness 218 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: there's a lot of free apps you can download and 219 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: it's really important to incorporate it in your day. I 220 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 3: often have my go to is it's called Pranny. 221 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: I'm a free. 222 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: It's just yoga breathing. It's slowing down, the expiration dampens 223 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: down the fright flight system that you know, it's running 224 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: away from the line. So the best thing you can 225 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: do is take yourself outside in the morning, get some 226 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: sunlight that wakes up the panneal gland, and do exercise 227 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: and then finish it off with some mindfulness meditation, a 228 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: couple of deep breaths while you're stretching, and it really 229 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: sets you up for the day. 230 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things is getting up early in 231 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: the morning and I don't wear sunglasses the time. 232 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: I don't don't wear some glass but I book my 233 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: dogs in. 234 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: The sunlight, and it is is such a brilliant way 235 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: just art the day, and you do have such a 236 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: different mindset and attitude for the rest of the day 237 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: once you've gotten up, got your body moving and you 238 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: know it's all free. 239 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah from the son Yeah. And the sleep psychologists 240 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 3: they love it because they say it improves your sleep. 241 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: Kickstarts the psychiading rhythm. 242 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: Is that right? 243 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, all right. 244 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: When it comes to the essential checkups, and obviously it's 245 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: going to this answer will probably change for each age group. 246 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: But what are the essential checkups that are non negotiable 247 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: we can't put off, you know, should avoid putting off? 248 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: What would you say, avoid doing these things? 249 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, IRAC GP they have a what they call a 250 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 3: red Book. It's in a tenth edition now. It's all 251 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 3: about the preventative care services that are available and it's 252 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: gps that have got together with experts and they have 253 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: worked out exactly what we should be doing at what 254 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: age and this is to prevent cancer. So that's where 255 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: their cycle can The screening program starts sexually active above 256 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: age twenty five, you know, as you mentioned before bow cancer. 257 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 3: They reduce that now to forty five years. Breast cancer 258 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: screening you know, from age fifty to seventy four, but 259 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: you can actually dip into that, you know, start that 260 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: at forty to fifty. You can attend any breastcreen New 261 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: South Wales if you've got a lump or you're worried. 262 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 3: There's all those non negotiable which have got a lot 263 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: of evidence based behind them. It's usually Australian. They take 264 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: nhm yor seed advice recommendations or it's based on big 265 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: systematic reviews. Things like just checking your blood pressure, you 266 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: can drop into the chemist, they'll do their blood pressure 267 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: and you can do that well, you know, from eighteen 268 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: to forty five. After forty five, we've got something called 269 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: a CVD risk score, So you can actually type in 270 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: CBD risk online and then go through and answer the questions. 271 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: You will need to know your blood pressure, your systolic 272 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: which is a top reading, and also your cholesterol which 273 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: is a total cholesterol to the good cholesterol ratio. So 274 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: you will need to know those numbers. But otherwise you 275 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: can fill that in and will give you a score 276 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: at the end. You know, are you one percent risk 277 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: of having a cut of vascular event in the next 278 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: five years or are you five percent? Or are you 279 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: really high ten percent? That's something you can just simply do. 280 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: Call it up online. 281 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: What about things like skin cancer, you know, melanoma, it's 282 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: I think is it one of the highest we are 283 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: for the younger generation. 284 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were the highest in the world. It's called 285 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: the Australian disease for good reason. That skin cancer campaign 286 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: Slip Slop Slap, you know, seek Slide, that's been hugely 287 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: successful to the point where our kids are getting vitamin 288 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: D deficients. 289 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: Really we've had to sort. 290 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: Of go right, Okay, when the UV is less than three, 291 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: go out and get a bit of sun on your skin. Yeah, 292 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: but that's vitally important and that's been going oh gosh 293 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: since I've been a doctor. But that's more opportunistic screening. 294 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: You do want to know the risk of melanoma. The 295 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: melanoma website they have a melanoma risk or again you 296 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: can look that up and plug in the numbers and 297 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: you can find out what your lifetime risk is of melanoma. 298 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: And if you're you know, if you do this, then 299 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: you go, wow, my score is quite high that I 300 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: would imagine that's one of those non negotiable skin cancer checkups. 301 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: What's the difference between going and seeing the GP for 302 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: a skin cancer check up versus getting you know, mole 303 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: mapping through a dermatologist who specializes in skin cancer. Is 304 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: it worth paying that bit more for that level of 305 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: care and accessing that technology. 306 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: The people in their thirties are getting more techno savvy 307 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: and they're looking for that extra edge in the skin 308 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: cancer check But really it comes down to basis, let's 309 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: have a look at your skin. Let's see how much 310 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 3: sun damage you have on your skin. What's your family history, 311 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: you know, all these are factors in the melanoma riskore 312 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 3: and then seeing if that's high see your GP, get referred. 313 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: We have a vector WB three six dy machine in 314 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 3: the clinic which is probably one of the only private 315 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: ones in New South Wales. It does an amazing thing 316 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 3: of photo mapping in three D and then you do 317 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: digital demoscopy so you see the layering of the pigment 318 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: in the skin. It's still in trial in Australia and 319 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: hopefully at the end of the trial will be rolling 320 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: out a melanoma screening program. 321 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: Wow. 322 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: But as so far the results that have come is 323 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: that people with a high burden of moles and pigmented 324 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 3: lesions they are the ones that are worthwhile photo mapping. 325 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 3: So it's not for everyone at the moment. So people 326 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 3: who have looked after their skin only have a couple 327 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: of you know, and usually the finding with the ace 328 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: metrial they came down at a thousand legions, So if 329 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: you're above a thousand legions, definitely worth photo mapping and 330 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: go and see your GP and get a good skin check. 331 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 3: They will elevate or refer on if they worried about 332 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 3: anything that they say, and also the self check over 333 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: the years have remarked on it's the messrs who's massaging 334 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: your back says that mole. It is not good, you know, 335 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: and then you have blood on the sheets, or it's itching. 336 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: Hairdressers finding moles on the scalp, you know when they're 337 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 3: washing their hair. You know you should go and get 338 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: that checked. Wedding photos, you know, the backless dress and 339 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: someone's looking at the photo and saying, what's that. 340 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: You know, dark mole there? 341 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 3: And people checking their skin themselves, they actually know. They 342 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: pick up on the signs. It's itching, it's changing, it's bleeding. 343 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: I don't like it, and they convincing often the GP 344 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: let's do a biopsy. Yeah yeah, I'm a big believer 345 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: in listening to the patient. 346 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So when it comes to the tests to invest in, 347 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, the expensive ones, when would you say, yes, 348 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: bite the bullet and do it. When would you say 349 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: not worth your money? Just you know you can do 350 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: this instead. Like I know, that's a very generalized question. 351 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 3: It is it is. It all comes down to, you know, 352 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: the patient's in front of you and you're taking a 353 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 3: full history. You see where their age is at, their gender, 354 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: their family history. What's the genetics do they have, say 355 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 3: Lynch syndrome, which increases your risk of bail cancer, So 356 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 3: you'd be starting bil cancer screening early. Are you of 357 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: Ashkenoa Jewish descent, You know they have a very high 358 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 3: risk of cancer, so again you'd be more aggressive in 359 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 3: doing that. Then you're examining are You're putting all the 360 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: pieces of the puzzle together, and then you're investigating and 361 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: doing some targeted investigations. And then based on that, you know, 362 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: you're doing your score CBD RISKORE, diabetes risk ORE, you know, melanoma, 363 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 3: and you're basically putting it all together and then saying, look, 364 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: this is the way forward, this is what I think 365 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: you should be doing. The government paves the way and 366 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 3: gives us recommendations for ages when we start screening and 367 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 3: what to do. But that's population based, it's not individually based. 368 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: You might be targeting some investigations because of symptoms or 369 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 3: because of family history or you know, so you're not 370 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 3: doing it. You're not participating in the population screening, but 371 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: you're individualizing it. 372 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: Are those situations where, for example, you need to go 373 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: get a test done, say an internal ultrasound for ovarian cancer, 374 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: which is obviously one that doesn't have any symptoms. Is 375 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: it appropriate to ask a doctor if they can have 376 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: it put it as bulk billing. I mean, is that 377 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: an option where some people can do that or is 378 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: that inappropriate? 379 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, screening is not Medicare abatable across the board, 380 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: blood tests, investigations. You really have to have symptoms or 381 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: signs to order investigations. Under Medicare, there's exemptions where there's 382 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: Medicare billing for a heart health check, say, and that's 383 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: you can do ECG cholesterol, so it's arresting USAGY cholesterol, 384 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 3: and then you're talking about the lifestyle. So that's for 385 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: a preventative assessment probably takes twenty minutes. The others we 386 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: have over age seventy five, we have a health assessment, 387 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 3: and again that has it's basically doing history examination and 388 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: then targeting some investigations. But apart from that, if the 389 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: doctor gets audited from Medicare and we've written screening and 390 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: the patient comes in and I just want a yearly 391 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 3: blood test done, well we'll be paying that money back 392 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: to the government. 393 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, what about supplements and nutrition? Like my 394 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: social media feed, it must be like the demographic. I'm 395 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: being recommended collagen and you know, lotions and potions and 396 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: powders and tablets, and I think I take a vitamin 397 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: B tablet with neocinamide for my skin that I was 398 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: recommended it for. 399 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: I think melanomas itselfs apparently cccs, Yes, that's it. 400 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: And then I take iron because I know if I'm 401 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: doing a blood test, I had a low iron. But 402 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: obviously not all supplements are the same. There are some 403 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: poor quality ones. Where do you stand with that? Because 404 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: some of these supplements are really expensive. I looked at 405 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: one the other day and it was two hundred dollars 406 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: a month for a collagen subscription. I was like, that's 407 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: just madness, Like I could not justify that. Where's the evidence? 408 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: Is it worth it? When you go no a lot 409 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: of weeks screening a lot of these and obviously it varies, 410 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: some worth that some aren't. 411 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: But in a. 412 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: Nutshell, can you help me out? I had to resort 413 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: to the dietitian that I work with, and both of 414 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: them they base said, we always encourage food first approach. 415 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 416 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: Now there might be deficiencies, like you brought up vitamin D. 417 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: You're working a lot indoors, you don't get out enough 418 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 3: in the sun. We don't get enough from food. Doing supplementation, 419 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 3: especially during winter, makes total sense. Interesting seguay there. If 420 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: you sun bake mushrooms in winter, you might need one 421 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 3: or two hours, depending on the size of the mushroom, 422 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 3: you might need longer. It actually then will produces vitamin D. 423 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: So when you eat the mushroom, you get your whole 424 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 3: vitamin D amount that you need, so you don't need 425 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 3: to take a tablet. 426 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I knew that. 427 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 3: One of the dietitians, doctor Flavia Fayette Moore, who is 428 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 3: better known as doctor flav Jesus Brazilian born, Canadian raised 429 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: an Australian made keynote speaker, scientists, space nutritionist and entrepreneur. Wow, 430 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: she always talks about sun baking mushrooms. 431 00:23:59,640 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: Wow. 432 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's twenty minutes in summer. They wanted to us 433 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: in winter. The calcium, you know, that's for bone strength 434 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: iron I saw recently, and that's iron deficiency most of 435 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: the time in women. That's because of our periods. And 436 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 3: there's the next thing. Then you start looking at diet. 437 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 3: You know, he is there enough in the diet. I 438 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 3: read the other day, we are starting to see idine 439 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: deficiency and that's because we're eating sodo bread and our 440 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: salt isn't iodized. 441 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, so that's. 442 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: Something that I learned in med school that you know, 443 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,239 Speaker 3: people in Switzerland that weren't getting enough iodine because they 444 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: weren't close to the sea. 445 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: But there you go. 446 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 3: It's the change in our diet and nutrients not in it. 447 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: Vitamin B twelve vegetarians and vegans, Yes, we can supplement those. 448 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: As you say that the influencers promoting supplements, they potentially 449 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 3: they could be above the daily requirements. So like the 450 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: ag one green powder, it's actually got above daily requirement 451 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: of vitamin C. You know, you're far better off eating 452 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: an orange and getting the fiber and the vitamin C. 453 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 3: And that's ninety five dollars. Yeah, it's just one example. 454 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 3: You know. The other one that's in the media at 455 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: the moment is vitamin B six toxicity. It is sneaking 456 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 3: into our food and basically in cereal, weight loss shakes, 457 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 3: energy drinks. And even read a report from a doctor 458 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 3: who was taking magnesium and it was in the magnesium 459 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: supplement and then she got vitamins toxicity and that gives 460 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: you're tingling and numbness and hands and feet difficulty walking. 461 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not very pleasant toxicity. 462 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: Wow, especially consider you're taking it to get better and 463 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: you're getting sicker. 464 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and then difficult to diagnose because you're not 465 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: thinking about it. No. 466 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, so is that something you would say, look, 467 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: go and see a dietician and get some expert advice 468 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: as to what you need, and they can look at 469 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: blood tests results and that She goes, well, hang on, 470 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: you're actually okay for vitamin C, but you're low one iron. 471 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: So we need to deal with that individually, you know, 472 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: just rather than just throwing a whole part of money 473 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: at a variety of different absolute vitamins and supplements and powders. 474 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Most of the time she'll be steering you towards 475 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 3: whole foods. 476 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 477 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: And of course a number one is try and eat 478 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: it from its true pure source. 479 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, because it has so many more things 480 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: in it, the fighter nutrients, you know, and fiber absolutely, 481 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: And that's what the dietitians do. They just look at 482 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: you at an individual basis and we do some nutritional 483 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: bloods with that if needed. 484 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: Okay, what about wearable devices and trackers. I follow doctor 485 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: Peter at here and I listened to his podcasts and 486 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: I was listening to the other and he said that 487 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: one of the first things we do when dealing with 488 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: someone who's got insomnierrors, we take off their track We 489 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: remove their tracking device because it obviously you can create 490 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: sleep anxiety. 491 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: And sometimes it's not even. 492 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: And I've read it of doctors Matt Walker, why we sleep? 493 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: He said, sometimes those devices are actually not accurate at all. 494 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: They're not cheap. Where do you stand with those again? 495 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: You know, you go back to basics sleep, Hi, Gene, really, yeah, 496 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: you start with sleep to hip gene and you chat 497 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: to person. Are you getting to bed? You know, at 498 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: a reasonable time, so you give yourself six to eight 499 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: hours of sleep. You know, they might be working late 500 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 3: into the night and getting to bed. They missed the 501 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 3: ten pm sort of now I'm going to fall asleep, 502 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 3: and they sort of falling asleep at one am. You 503 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: know what's standing in their way? Are they on the computers? 504 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 3: Do they need to get off the computers an hour earlier? 505 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: Get rid of the blue light that wakes you up, 506 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 3: you know, dim the lights in the house, make the 507 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 3: room nice and cool, just setting and having a wind 508 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: down routine. Most important thing is to wake up at 509 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: the same time every day, as I alluded to before, 510 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: because if we change that, we get like jet lag, 511 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: and we call it social jet lag. So Monday morning 512 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: is always hard to get up because you slept in 513 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: over the week. And so yeah, everyone does. But I 514 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: agree trackers, whether you use them for exercise, whether you 515 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: use them for calorie counting, whether you use it for sleep, 516 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: it can cause anxiety. I mean there's privacy concerns, where's 517 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: the data stored, where does it go? You know, they're 518 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: not medical devices and not part of the regulations like 519 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 3: a medical devices. People get anxious because tracking their heart 520 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: rate and they go, oh, I get the high heart 521 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 3: rate alarm, and it's happening, and it's happening many times, 522 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: and they end up in front of the cardiologists and 523 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: have a whole to monitoring, you know, just to prove 524 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: that the tracker has actually got a false positive. 525 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So we shouldn't be relying on the If they 526 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: find to wear them, they can help motivate us, and 527 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: we can obviously use them to get moving more, but 528 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: don't one hundred percent relied on this. 529 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I use mine. 530 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: I wear an Apple Watch and it reminds me to 531 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: stand or move around if I haven't done that, And 532 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: that's super useful. We know that standing up, doing like 533 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 3: little exercise snacks during our day, especially if you've got 534 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: a job sitting doing ten squats really beneficial for blood 535 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: sugar and cholesterol. You know, ten squats every year is 536 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: what my EPU prescribes to me. Yeah, so they are useful, 537 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: but yeah, take them with a grain of salt. 538 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: Okay. 539 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: To come back to the cost of fitness, I want 540 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: to ask you about Oracle health Care and what you 541 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: do there and how you help people. But from your 542 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: perspective as a doctor, what are the real costs financially 543 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: but also personally as well when it comes to being 544 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: diagnosed with something major like a cancer or heart disease 545 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: or even diabetes, Like what would you say are the 546 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: biggest costs. 547 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: Involved personally getting big diagnoses like that. Obviously you may 548 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: not be able to work, so it's the cost of 549 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: not having an income, and you know, not everyone has 550 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: income protection. And then it's also physically because if you 551 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: get diabetes, you might get poor at eyesight. With it 552 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: or numb feit, and you're getting ulcers and things like that, 553 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: which decrease your quality of life. You know, you're not 554 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: able to do and participate fully in life. Also emotionally, 555 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: the trauma of getting a terrible diagnosis. We know that diabetes. 556 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: You know, seventy percent of diabetics have diabetes distress. It's 557 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 3: not true depression, but it is the stress of having 558 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: to deal with your blood sugars, you know, for breakfast, 559 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: for lunch, for dinner, having to calorie count. Think you 560 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: know carb count? You know how much carbs have it? 561 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: Do I have on my plate? It is being made 562 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: a bit easier because we've got CGM trackers, so continuous 563 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: glucose monitoring trackers, which makes it easier for the person. 564 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: But still it's it's this constant vigilance and depression. It's 565 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: it's an individual cost. If you've panned back to the 566 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: government cost, it's a huge load on the government. We're 567 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: talking billions of dollars. Four billion dollars per annum in 568 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen quoted by the Australian Productivity Commission, but also 569 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: the I think it was eight zero point nine billion 570 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 3: dollars for mental health, and it was a similar amount 571 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: for injury. So the cost to the healthcare system is enormous. 572 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: Like we want to save an environment, but we can 573 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: also help the government to spend these dollars more wisely 574 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: on the environment if we look after ourselves and don't 575 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: cause us to be a cost to the government. And 576 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: if you panned back to the whole world, I think 577 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: who landed a big report just before I came in, 578 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 3: just a couple of days ago, which basically said was 579 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: the report was tied or saving life spending less the 580 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: global investment case for they call it noncommunicable diseases, which 581 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: means chronic disease, and it demonstrates that return of investment 582 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: for preventative health interventions are things like reducing an unhealthy diet. 583 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 3: It's fourteen to one, saving fourteen dollars by spending one 584 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 3: dollar in preventative care. That'sho huge. Alcohol is nine to one. 585 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: It's enormous, Tobacco is seven to one. Managing chronic disease 586 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 3: is five to one, CINDI vascular disease eight to one, 587 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: Screening a detection of cancers six to one. So it's 588 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 3: an enormous amount of money to be saved, and. 589 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: That money can then can be put into so many 590 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: other areas in our communities, in our economy. 591 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: Basically everywhere. 592 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: All Right, I want to hear about Oracle Healthcare because 593 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: what you do for obviously corporate clients but also individuals 594 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: is phenomenal and you really do. 595 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: I mean, you're a huge care up. They ass which 596 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: I needed for me. 597 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: And since having my Oracle health Care check up, I 598 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: move my body so much more. I've been doing weight 599 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm done like telling you all of the good things 600 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: I've changed my life. I do so much more weight training. 601 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: I did barely any weight training before that. I'm so 602 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: much more mindful of like getting up and moving and 603 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: walking up a hill, which is I think one of 604 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: your physiologists recommended I do. And you know, being more 605 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: mindful is like eating less and learning to how to 606 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: switch off more. So you know it's been really powerful. 607 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: Can you explain to everyone what you do with corporates 608 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: and how you work with corporates, but also how you 609 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: work with individuals who go you know what I need 610 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: to come and see you. I want to get a 611 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: full health check. I'm parallem worried or I've got a 612 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: family history how can people reach out to you or 613 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: speak to you? And how does Oracle health Care do 614 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: this amazing thing for so many people? 615 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 3: That's really kind words. It's a matter of I've created 616 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 3: I suppose time with the person, so you get a 617 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 3: good hour with the doctor. So you book in for 618 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 3: your health check and you have an hour with the doctor. 619 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: At the same time, you see an exercise physiologist that 620 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: goes through exercise dietession that goes through the diet. You 621 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 3: have blood tests done. It's all on the same day 622 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 3: and the results come back, you know, within the two 623 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 3: hours that you're there in the clinic. 624 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 1: Really comprehensive health check, efficiently done, all within one day. 625 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. The power of it is it's all together and 626 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: we're all speaking to each other. So we're handing the 627 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 3: patient over from what we call room to room. But 628 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 3: you know, the exercise physiologist comes and hands over the 629 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 3: findings and what the person's goals are. So we very 630 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 3: much focused on what the person wants to achieve. And 631 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 3: it may be they want to hydrate more and in 632 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 3: doing so they lose ten killers. You know, I've got 633 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 3: lots of stories. It's not just one way of getting 634 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 3: to the end goal. And it's not my goal goal. 635 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: So that's what we really focus on. And we have 636 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 3: the full resources of north Shore Hospital, both private and 637 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 3: public because we're located in the north Shore Health Hub, 638 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 3: so we can reach out and get things done quite quickly, 639 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 3: which is a huge advantage. So people who come from 640 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 3: country areas where it's really hard to access health and 641 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 3: they come in and spend a day and walk out 642 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 3: of their sort of mesmerized by all the data they've got. 643 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 3: And we try to speak the simple language and as 644 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 3: you say, have little rules that you walk away with. 645 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 3: I need to get up every day. I need to 646 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: walk up that hill. I need to move my body. 647 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: I need to eat less, you know, I need to 648 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 3: prioritize my sleep. Those sort of messages. 649 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: You know, so many of them are free and it's 650 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: so simple and it's common sense. But somehow it's not 651 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: common sense because a lot of us not following it 652 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: unless we get told and we look at the data 653 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: that shows us where we're going wrong, which is what 654 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: you do. You create that awareness and that educational piece. 655 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: We can be taken more preventative, proactive approach with our 656 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: health and you know, the quality of life and that lifespan, 657 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: and I say to all of my friends, just go 658 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: get it done. 659 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: Go see Lena, get a check up. 660 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: And you I mean, obviously it's only a snapshot at 661 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: that point in time, but the peace of mind that 662 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: you create going okay, I know where I stand, I 663 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: know where I need to improve, I know where I'm 664 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: actually doing okay. Like I was really worried that I 665 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: would have bone density because my mother had ostereoporosis, and 666 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: I knew I had been signaled as having that. Having 667 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: that dex of scan with you was brilliant because I 668 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: was like, okay, all right, the hard work, you know 669 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: is paying off. I'm doing making the right decisions. So 670 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: I think that information is just so valuable. And you know, 671 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: we work so hard on our financial goals and being 672 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: smart with money, Like our body can't do any of 673 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: those things if it's not functioning properly. And when we 674 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: invest in our health, we have so much more time 675 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: and energy and passion to put into the things that 676 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: mean the most of us, beyond obviously investing and you know, 677 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: being sensible with money. Well, look, everyone, thank you so 678 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: much for listening to I know today's episode went on 679 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: a little bit longer than my normal episodes, but as 680 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: you can tell, there was just so much valuable information 681 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: here for you. So I hope obviously this conversation with 682 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: Lena and myself doctor Otebo that is, has inspired you 683 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: to think differently about your own health and not look 684 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: at it as a expensive cost and essential investment, because 685 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: the truth is, as you now know, prevention really does pay. 686 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: Making time for those regular checkups, self testing, getting those kids, 687 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: finding out what free screening exists, eating well, prioritizing good 688 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: sleep hygiene, getting the right amount of sunlight at the 689 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: right time of day, obviously in a sensible, smart way, 690 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: but also making sure that you listen to your body. 691 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: You know, I always say never underestimate your own intuition, 692 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: particularly a woman's intuition, and protecting yourself having those conversations, 693 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: speaking to your doctor and go and booking those tests. 694 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: In financial freedom isn't just about having money in the bank. 695 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,919 Speaker 1: It's about, obviously, as I just said, being healthy enough 696 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: to enjoy it, to live with energy, and to spend 697 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: the quality time with the people you love the most. Now, 698 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: if you found this episode helpful, please make sure you 699 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: go and send it and share it with all of 700 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: your friends and family members who need to have that reminder, 701 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: that kickup the ass like I needed to put their 702 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: health first. Enough is enough, and as always, thank you 703 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: so much for listening to Sugar Mills Fireplay, and most 704 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 1: importantly to doctor Lena Attabo from Oracle Healthcare for coming 705 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: in today who is incredibly busy, by the way, and 706 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: sharing this really wise, sensible, practical, budget friendly advice.