1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installing the new project. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: It's Jumbo, It's Craig Anthey, Harper, Joshua and Leonardo. It's 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: friend of mine. He's arguably Australia's best ever FBB pro bodybuilder, 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: father of two, husband of Liz Man about town. There's 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: been a few peaks and troughs in his journey over 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: the last few years, and we hit abyak again. 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: Hi, mate, mate, Jumbo brain is Jumbo is the evolution 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: of you. 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: I don't know about. 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: Being called smart, but how about the smartest person in 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: your in your body? How does that sound? Can you 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: take that? Will you accept that? 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: Do you know? Sometimes I think I don't really think 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: I'm smart. I think I'm good at optimizing what I have. 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: I think I'm good at getting the most out of 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: what i have to work with. If that's a kind 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: of smart, then I'll take it. 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: How about you just how about work ethic like an 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: almost like a machine? How about that? How about how 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: I have that discipline and dedicate and that stuff that's 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: like top shelf, your top shelf. 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, pumping up my tires in the first minute. 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: You know, why do we get you everywhere? Mate? You'll 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: be buying me dinnercent Yeah. 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Well, I mean here's the thing, right, you can't you 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: can't choose your IQ, you can't choose your genetics. You 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: can't you can't change the hours in a day, blah blah. 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: But you can figure out what you're going to do 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: with all that stuff, you know. Like, I've coached lots 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: of people who I would think inherently have a higher 31 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: IQ than me and probably more natural talent and potential, 32 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: but the other stuff they don't. They just don't have it. 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: Some do, like a lot do, but some don't. And 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: it's I mean, I've seen the same thing. You might 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: have seen it in the gym too. In the gym, 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: I've seen it with people with fucking amazing genetics who 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: just don't want to get uncomfortable consistently. They love the 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: idea of, you know, high performance, but they don't want 39 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: to do the work to create high performance. Same in corporate, 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Same in working with you know, elite athletes in the 41 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: sporting arena. You know, there's what we've got to work 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: with and then there's what we do with what we've 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: got to work with. They're two different things. 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: Right, Massively potential potential scene all the time. It's just 45 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: and it's wasted so much. 46 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so much. Yeah. Do you think how much 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: of your potential genetically when you were competing? Do you 48 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: reckon you got? If ten out of ten is human 49 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: optimization to the limit, Like you couldn't get any more 50 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: out of you? What do you reckon? You got out 51 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: of you on stage? 52 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: Probably about a six really six seven. Yeah. I was 53 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: taking my time enjoying my life and I thought I 54 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: had a lot longer before it got cut short. So 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: I was kind of like, in a way, trying to 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: invest in the people that I I love and not 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: trying to make it too obsessed, which is sounds weird 58 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: for bodybulding because it's a really obsessive lifestyle. But I 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: was at the same time still trying to enjoy what 60 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: I could. And it don't get me wrong, when I 61 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: needed to be disciplined, I was extremely disciplined. But I 62 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: thought I still had another five or ten years within 63 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: bodybuilding before I had this tumor. That's part of the 64 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: family that cut me cut thing short, which is yeah, 65 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: cause a lot of problems ever since from the surgeries. 66 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll open the door, We'll open the meta door 67 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: on that. But like that, I want to just zoom 68 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: out of the micro of that and back to the 69 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: macro of bodybuilding as a sport. So I grew up 70 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: not like well kind of. I mean I was always around. 71 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: I was a bodybuilder, just not a competitive bodybuilder. I 72 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: was just like your weekend warrior, right. I was like you, Yeah, 73 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: your bloke that plays suburban footy, that was I was 74 00:03:58,720 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: the equivalent of that. 75 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: Would you walk past it? Could you walk past a 76 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: reflection of a window? And no, I can look at yourself. 77 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: No, I was too. I was fucking enamored with myself. 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: I thought I was shit hot. I wasn't, but I 79 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: thought I was. Now that's not true. I actually thought 80 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: I was terrible. But but I really tried to you. 81 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: Wanted to make sure you were a bit better than before, 82 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: make sure every day was better than yesterday. 83 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: I still angle on the left side if I'm getting 84 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: a photo taken. 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: And I saw a photo of you in a suit yesterday, 86 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: did you that? I was amazed? 87 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, that's I showed you that. I'm like, yeah, 88 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: that was that one time when I wore a suit. 89 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: But like, like, you're quite a deep philosophical person and 90 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: me too in some ways. But did it ever dawn 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: on you how bad it is, potentially bad it is 92 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: for people's self esteem, self worth and all of that 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: when especially you know, these days we talk about you know, 94 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: you're much more than a body, and you know, it's 95 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: like people's you know, body dysmorphea and body image and 96 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: all the judgment and stuff that happens with how people look, 97 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be like that. And then literally there's 98 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: a sport where you stand on stage in pretty much 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: nothing and you you literally judged, not figuratively, like you're 100 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: literally judged. And if there's ten people on stage, one 101 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: of those people is going to be the worst in 102 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: inverted commas, one's going to be the best in inverted commas. 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty tough like. It's kind of like mma. 104 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: I love it and hate it. I love the sport, 105 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: but I hate the potential damage that comes with people 106 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: getting punched in the head. And I love bodybuilding, but 107 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: I hate the potential damage which might come to some 108 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: people's self esteem and emotional and mental health with standing 109 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: up on stage in you know, no clothes being judged. 110 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that. 111 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: And it's basically body shaming and people pay to do it. Yeah, 112 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: it's weird when you think of it like that, right. 113 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: Isn't it. It's like where you're going to stand. 114 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: If people did that in the news, the news. 115 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: We're totally you know, you shouldn't judge anyone on how 116 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: they look. Oh, there's a sport that does that, Like 117 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: it's it's a global sport. 118 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: And it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, isn't it. 119 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: What do you think? I mean, like the evolution of 120 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: bodybuilding since I kind of first plugged in in the 121 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties and watching Arnold and all the old 122 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, Lou Farino and Robbie Robinson and Surge and 123 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: new Bray and Serge Olimpia, Serge Olivia and all those 124 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: old timers who were just fucking old guys on Diana 125 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: Boll and Decker just getting on stage with their twenty 126 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: times right, grobing it to them ten to twelve. Who 127 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: was prescribing it? 128 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: The doctors were there's no problems. 129 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: That's that's hilarious. I don't know if that was a 130 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: healthier version, it kind of seems more wholesome. I don't know, 131 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: maybe that's just like illusion. But these days bodybuilding in 132 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: inverted commas, it's it's a myriad of things. You know, 133 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: it's bikinis, it's figures, it's body shaping, it's the what's 134 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: the guy's version like that bosique? 135 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, with a broad shorts physique. That's evolved and now 136 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: it's there massive. It used to look like a board, 137 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: like a beach body. Now it's huge, massive, broad shots, 138 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: deltz abs huge. You would not look like that just 139 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: growing up and being a farm boy with players and 140 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: thrown hay bales out you did. You would not walk 141 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: down the beach looking like that. No way. 142 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: And it seems like there are more and more people 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: like I thought. I thought, you know, there was a 144 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: time maybe twenty years where it was just going to 145 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: kind of fall away, because it did kind of stumble 146 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: for a while there. It felt like bodybuilding was, you know, 147 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, getting less attention and less popularity. But 148 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: it seems like there's over the last decade really that's 149 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: turned around and there's a massive uptake and up surge 150 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: in you know, people wanting to get on stage and 151 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: do that. 152 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: I think everything's into wine. So of course people want 153 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: to look a bit healthier or want maybe to lose 154 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: some body fat, so they're right that in their Google 155 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: and then they'll filter into their Instagram or their Facebook, 156 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: and then that'll pop up in their algorithm and social 157 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: media feed will pop up, and then they might click 158 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: on it and that'll pop up more and and that'll 159 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: just start to embed into the subconscious and then that'll 160 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: pop up more and there you go. And it's and 161 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: especially within the kids, it's it's mammoth. So yeah, it's 162 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: not it's not good. It's taken over so much. 163 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: Sorry. It is interesting because at the same time, got 164 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: a whole lot of people going, don't judge us on 165 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: how we look, and then at the same time a 166 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: bunch of people going, please judge, judge me, like, because 167 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: that's what body. You know, you get on stage and 168 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: literally the judge's job is to judge your body. 169 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: It's a difficult experience to judge other people. Yes, because 170 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: of course you want. 171 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: Did you feel a bit conflicted when you were doing. 172 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: That, Yeah, because you want more, more time, and you 173 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: want more. You want to place everyone as evenly as 174 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: possible in the right spot, So you want to make 175 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: sure you have enough time to do that correctly as well, 176 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: and it's yeah, it's definitely there's definitely a challenge to 177 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: do that because of course, like they say in bodybuilding, 178 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: apples and oranges, you know, you what you prefer is 179 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: different than what I might prefer, as someone's shoulders to 180 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: look a particular way someone else like a particular way. 181 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: So it's that's also the confusing part within bodybuilding. You're 182 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: getting ahead of if you, for example, if you get 183 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: got ahead of six judges in Victoria, you might get 184 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: a of six different judges in Queensland and they might 185 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: have different opinions with what a body should look like. 186 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: So that's also that's another element of difference, even though 187 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 2: there's some guidelines and then so that's I just tell 188 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: people that just be your best and make yourself happy 189 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: with what you look like. 190 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: And I guess one of the differences between bodybuilding and 191 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: a lot of other I mean, some people would argue 192 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: that it's a sport or a hobby or a pastime 193 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: or but let's go with sport, is that it's not 194 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: an objective measurement. It's like a subjective interpretation. It's like 195 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: literally a judge sitting in a chair ten feet off 196 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: stage looking at a body and then scoring that through 197 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: their eyes and there, like like you said, through their perception, 198 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: and then the person next to them. You know, there 199 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: might be ten let's say ladies on stage, and one 200 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: judge places a particular lady first, and the guy girl 201 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: next door places them forth, and they're looking at the 202 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: same thing on the same day. 203 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, spot on exactly. Well, they imagine this. They all 204 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: have they looking image if they're all clions, but one 205 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 2: has brown hair and one has blonde hair, and that's 206 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: their preference, so that's where they place. But then they 207 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: go home not placing well and feel disappointed and upset 208 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: that they've given up so much for so long and 209 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: dieted and sacrificed, and then they didn't place where they 210 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: wanted to, and then they have then this bad self 211 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: image because they thought, oh, you know, didn't get what 212 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: I wanted. So, yes, can have some really high highs 213 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: this sport, and if you want to call it a 214 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: sport into really low lows. Definitely. 215 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: I told you before we started. I just had a 216 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: super long chat with Trevor Hendy and we were talking 217 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: about this. The former world champion and Australian Champion, iron 218 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: Man and Amazing Athlete Order of Australia dude, and all that. Like, yeah, 219 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: this challenge of being really good at something and receiving 220 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: praise and accolades and recogniz and you know, all of 221 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: this positivity through you know, in your case perhaps looking 222 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: like a freaking being Australia's best bodybuilder or in his 223 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: case being the best you know, surf life saver in 224 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: the world or iron man in the world, and then 225 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: trying to in the middle of that be normal whatever 226 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: that means, like to be grounded, to not to not 227 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: lose yourself, to not lose your identity in all of 228 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: the emotion and bullshit and ego that can come with 229 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: that stuff. That's that's like got to be a challenge. 230 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I think being married to my wife's 231 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: family's tongan is very easy. When you're considered a monster 232 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: and then you're among all these big islanders is very 233 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: humbly really, that was very easy for me. 234 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: Are they all big units? 235 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: There's there's a big units, there's a big units. But 236 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: I do get what you mean in reference to that, 237 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: for sure. So yeah, it's but you've always been I mean, 238 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: that was the one thing initially I think you need 239 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: is a great team around you, and that's You've been 240 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: a real pivotal part of that hups. So you know, 241 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: having people that know that, because man, you can get 242 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: so wrapped up in just the body and make it 243 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: just be everything and it's not. It's like, there's just 244 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: so much more to life than that. And you try, 245 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: you have a conversation with people were just only talking 246 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: about bodybuilding. It's such a difficult. You just want to 247 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: escape that conversation. You know, it's so much more to life. 248 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: Do you know what? To me is a little bit sad. 249 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: And this is very specific and probably ninety a percent 250 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: of our audience might not relate to this, so I 251 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: apologize to you. But and you know this, and I 252 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: know this, like especially dudes, old dudes who have been 253 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: bodybuilding forever and they still get their entire sense of 254 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: self from their body. And they're like now in their 255 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: fifties and maybe beyond. And I'm like, you know, and 256 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: it's good to be in shape at fifty or sixty 257 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: or beyond, of course, but you know, they're still doing 258 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: heaps of gear, they're still red in the face, they're 259 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: still fucking wearing the tight T shirts at the shows, 260 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, come on, bro, you just there's 261 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: more to you than that. There's more to life than that, 262 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, And that sounds judging and I don't mean 263 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: it too, because I was fucking doing the exact same 264 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: thing for you know. Thankfully I got over that when 265 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: I was reasonably young. But yeah, it's it happens, don't it. 266 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's an interesting field mate. You talk 267 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: kill day about that, all right. 268 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: So for people who don't don't know you, I just 269 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: want to tell just a quick because the bodybuilding is 270 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: not the story at the moment. I just want to 271 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: see how you're traveling. So you were Australia's premiere elite 272 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: pro bodybuilder for quite a while. You won pro shows, 273 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: You competed in the Mister Olympia two or three. 274 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: Times twice, competer twice at the Mister. 275 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: Placed in the top ten twice, which is an amazing effort. 276 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: And there's another Arnold Classic is the other one major 277 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: one with Arnold Swartznigger runs that was kind of competing 278 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: with the with the Olympia. I got third in that once, 279 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: which was that was big highlight. My debut. That was 280 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: one of my own career highlights. 281 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, very thankful you won? Did you win? 282 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: Did you win? 283 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: Four? 284 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: Are you won? Four? 285 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? One four? Sorry something popiz up there? Yeah? One four? 286 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: I did not know that. 287 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: That is amazing. Thank you. 288 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: Is any other Is any other Australian one or pro shows? 289 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: No? No, I look at you blush. You make me blush. 290 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: Here we go. 291 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, now now you're pumping my ties up. Here we go. 292 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: So tell everybody what happened, and just not I mean 293 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: as short as you want and just because I want to. 294 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: One of the things I like to do on the 295 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: show is talk to people when life's going great, but 296 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: also when life's not going great, because the you know, 297 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: for quite a while there everything was going amazing for 298 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: you and then the metaphoric shit hit the fan. And 299 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: so today is really just checking in to see where 300 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: you're at and to let people know where you're up to. 301 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: I get asked a lot about you. Do you see Josh? 302 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: Do you see Josh? What's Josh up to? Is he training? 303 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: Is he going to compete? I get asked a lot 304 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: because people know where friends, So give people the snapshot 305 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: of what happened if you. 306 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: Would, yeah, well, where i'd be very quiet on social media, 307 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: I was very active on that and I'd love to 308 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: give and try and encourage, and then what I guess, 309 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: feeling like you're not living in alignment with you are 310 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: as a person, it's very hard to give. And that's 311 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: something I've had to kind of wrap my head around 312 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: recent more especially more recently. But I've one thing I 313 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: really I don't tell a lot of people, and I'll 314 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: be open with it now is I've got epilepsy. So 315 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: one thing I had which took me out of the 316 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: last Olympia, which I was qualified for was a tumor 317 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 2: in the skull, which is a rare place to have it. 318 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: And then I'd had complications after the surgery, so it 319 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: was a non It was a tumor that's in my family. 320 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: And then my brother who wasn't a competitor, had one 321 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: when he was eighteen, and might had one and the 322 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 2: skull in a more kind of serious spot, I guess 323 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: you could say, and it just yeah, there was complications 324 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: from the surgery and then it didn't I guess it 325 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: didn't heal correctly or something for whatever reason. And then 326 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: I had a second surgery, and then I had more 327 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: sieges after that, so tried to get back and compete, 328 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: which was ridiculous, but I kind of with that pro mindset, 329 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: I tried to compartmentalize and put that pain aside, and 330 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: then even though the seizes was a possibility, I kind 331 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: of pushed that aside, which was maybe idiotic, but I 332 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: did that because also I had then a child with 333 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: my wife, and the providing instincts were there and needed 334 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: that to happen and keep sponsors happy. That didn't go well. 335 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: COVID hit more seezes happened, more pain, a lot more pain, 336 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: and then trying to just get through that and survive 337 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: really was my thing. Went from thriving to surviving from 338 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: you know, going and being troubled around the world and 339 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: being flown and doing seminars and you know, being a 340 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 2: guest appearance at places, to then just locked in a 341 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: room trying to just yeah, stay alive in a way. 342 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: You know. 343 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: It's some bad times. So and then yeah, more recently 344 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: just some yes, more more seetious. But I had the 345 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: last time we spoke, I was preparing there was a 346 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: contest called the Master's Olympia, and it was going to 347 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: be you know, Masters is over forties, but it was 348 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: still going to be with bodybuilding, it's something that takes time, 349 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: of course and muscle maturity. So even though being over 350 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 2: four years, still go and compete, Still go and compete 351 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 2: in the open the main class. So it was just 352 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: going to be kind of an entry back into competing again. 353 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: And it was just I was still living in pain 354 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: and training and the fear of having a seizure and things. 355 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: So the last time we spoke, it was I was 356 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: going to go over to Dubai, train there and prep 357 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: there and even just trying to see some different specialists 358 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: there in hopes that maybe something could help and then 359 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: compete and then maybe my career would get back on 360 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: track from a professional perspective. And then even before heading 361 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: over there, I got scammed. So I paid for the 362 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 2: room with Stays this app, and then you know, you 363 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 2: communicate with the host and everything was set. Everything was 364 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: there the day of lead of leaving, with flying through 365 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: corners and stuff, and then it was like, sorry, can't 366 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: fulfill your obligations. They haven't paid me with the Stays app. 367 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: So then I'm on the phone. You know, bags are packed, 368 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: everything's ready, to go and they're like no, they've paid 369 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: in the money, etc. It was just like this big 370 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: storm and I'm like, well, I'm not flying to the 371 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: Middle East and landing in the heat with nowhere to 372 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: stay and trying to figure something out. And it was 373 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: just and then they wouldn't give me the money back, 374 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: and then it was just this big It was paid 375 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 2: for months and months at a time. It was just this, Okay, 376 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: this is odd and you know, stressful circumstance. But and 377 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: then I prepped, he stayed here, prepped here for it, 378 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: and it was just bad anyway because of my pain, 379 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: Like as soon as I started really pushing myself, and 380 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: as soon as I got to a certain level of 381 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: strength because we trained quite heavy for the to develop muscle, 382 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: it would just there was only a certain point I 383 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: could go before the pain was just stagonizing, So I 384 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: knew something was up anyway. And then the fear of 385 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: having a seizure was always there, So go ahead. 386 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: And with the pain head pain, like like like super 387 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: duper acute headache, migraine. 388 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: Massive, yeah, massive, I could be like train trying like 389 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: having and I was living off you normally eat food 390 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 2: much more nourishing I was living off shape, which is 391 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: not the right way to get ready for a show 392 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: and be in pain. Like I get up trying to 393 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: an hour on the stairs in agony, come home, have 394 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 2: a shake, ice pack on my head, back in bed, 395 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: kind of get up, have a shake, or try and 396 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: eat some fish or something light or blend something. So 397 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: it's just trying to make it, make it there. And yeah, 398 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: but it was kind of the more that thing was 399 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: kind of the the providing factor was that was part 400 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: of my mindset and which wasn't which isn't a you know, 401 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: the providing factor is great, but the financial driving factor 402 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: isn't a great motivational factor. You know, it's because there's 403 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: many ways to make money, and that's in pain is 404 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 2: not a great you know, you. 405 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: Weren't getting on stage because you're excited to get on stage, 406 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: exactly age because you thought, this is the way that 407 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: I can potentially make reasonable dough. And I need to 408 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: make dough because I've got a wife and two it's 409 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: in a family and responsibilities, and this is not what 410 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: I want to do, but maybe what I need to 411 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: do to create an outcome that I want. 412 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent correct. So it was, and it 413 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: was something that I reflect back and go the best 414 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: way to look at future behavior, look at past behavior. 415 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: This worked in the past, This could work in the future. 416 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: And then you know, that was just a really grueling, 417 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: horrible prep just with suffering and pain and and even 418 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: though I shouldn't. And then you listen to people when 419 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: you talk to me, and they're just, no, it's just 420 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: another test, you know, It's just it's just a test, 421 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: you know, to see how how bad you want it. 422 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: And I'm kind of I don't think this is I 423 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 2: think this is just yeah, you know, listen to your 424 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 2: almost listening to yourself in a way. And then almost 425 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: to the point where okay, And then so I'm trying 426 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: to get to go The comp was in this place 427 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: called Clues in Romania, and I'm trying to get my 428 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: wife and the kids to come, and she's like it's 429 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 2: going to be agony, like trying to travel with this 430 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: be screaming and kid and I'm like, ah, you know 431 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: that I've never competed without my wife being there. So 432 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: I end up I go, Okay, I'm going to book 433 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: the last flight there, and then I'm going to leave 434 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: the first flight after the show, and which is the 435 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: worst thing to do as a body. But when you 436 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: get rid of you got to get there early, you 437 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: got to get rid of the water, you got to 438 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: do all this stuff. So I get there late, make 439 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: this just to just to make this Athletees meeting, which 440 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 2: is compulsory, and I do the contest. As soon as 441 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: I walk out on stage, I just hated it. You 442 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: do this first walkout on your own, not even in 443 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 2: comparisons in groups, and I just as soon as I 444 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: walked out, I just hated it, Like the lights, everything. 445 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: I just felt like I was going to have a seat, 446 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: like almost like I was going to have a seeze 447 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: your and I'm like, what am I doing? And I 448 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: was I wasn't going to win anyway, Like it was 449 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: the people that deserve to win, definitely deserve to win. 450 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: Hats off to them, well done for me. Just with 451 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: my I was just like, I'm just not enjoying this. 452 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 2: This is wrong. Why did I do this for? You know? 453 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: This isn't good. And then I'm not not enjoying it. 454 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: You know, normally I'd enjoy performing and I've done all 455 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: this hard work and instead of training and getting those 456 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: open me in doorphins. It was just you train, it'd 457 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: be pain. You train, it'd be pain It'd be like 458 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: there was no uplifting aspects of this prep that well 459 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: would even though it was a painful experience. Normally the 460 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: contest preps are there was still an element of enjoyment 461 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: out of it that you could reflect on. There wasn't 462 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: that within this prep at all. And I wasn't going 463 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: to get on social media and be like, you know, 464 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: having another hard day, guys, Hey, guys doing it. Look 465 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: at me, Look how good I am? Well, look how 466 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: much I'm pushing. It wasn't that. It was and exactly 467 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: like I said, I was doing it to try and 468 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 2: make a living for my kids and stuff. Right, So 469 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: so then I get that they do the call outs 470 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: and then what happens in bodybuilding, They maybe like twenty competitors, right, 471 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: but only the top ten come back for the night 472 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 2: show to do a square opposing routine. It's like a 473 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: choreographed routine for entertainment for the crowd. And I knew 474 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: by the way the call outs were that I was 475 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: going to be within that top ten and I was 476 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: hating it. So as soon as they did they were 477 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: doing the callouts. I just walked off the stage like 478 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: I knew I was in the top ten, called my 479 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: wife and they were calling Josh Josh, and my wife's 480 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: home watching it live and she's like get back on stage. 481 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: And I'm like no, and she's like, you need to 482 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: get back on stage now, like will our son's watching it. 483 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: I'm like no, I'm done. She's just like you need 484 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: to get on stage, like you need to finish what 485 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: you said. I'm like I'm finished, Like I'm done. That's 486 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: it for me, Like I'm I'm done. I'm in pain, 487 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: I'm in agony, this is this is great. I'm done. 488 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: So I was over the other side of the world 489 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: without doing something for my family, without my family there, 490 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: and it was just like the almost like a place 491 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: like rock bottom when you hit where you hit that feeling. 492 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: And I was just got home to the hotel. I'm 493 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 2: just sitting there waiting because it was the flight was 494 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 2: first thing in the morning, so I'm just up all 495 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: night waiting for the flight. As soon as it hits 496 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: time to go to the airport, go to the airport, 497 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: go to check my bags, and they're like, you've missed 498 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: the bag checking. You can't get the flight, and I'm like, 499 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: no way, I don't care about my bags. I'm leaving 500 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: my bags. You can't do that. That's illegal to do 501 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: it an airport. I was just like, I ain't okay, 502 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: I'll get the next flight. I'll get the next one. 503 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 2: You can't because you booked it as one flight. It 504 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 2: was just like this language barrier as well, and I'm like, 505 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 2: when's the next one you can get me. It's like 506 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: two days later. I was like, ah, given me. It 507 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: was just one of those deep thinking like what am 508 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 2: I doing? Like what is going on here? And yeah, 509 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: it was just one of those times where it was 510 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: like need to really figure out what's going on here, 511 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 2: Like what's why am I still in pain? Why am 512 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: I still having these sages? And then what am I? Yeah? 513 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 2: What was I? What was I? What was I thinking 514 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: doing this show? 515 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: It's like Trevor Hendy and I spoke before and we 516 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: were talking. He was talking about not to the same 517 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: level of despair and pain that you were in, but 518 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: he was talking about like he had like he went 519 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: through this period. I don't want to fuck up the 520 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: show in case people haven't heard it, but where he 521 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: was going through some shit and it's like he calls 522 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: it the gift that came out of the darkness, like 523 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: this ship that he was in the middle of, which 524 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: you're kind of still in the middle of. And we're 525 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: going to talk about that in a minute, but you know, 526 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: just dealing with dealing with really hard stuff that you 527 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: can't Like. You and I have chatted a little bit lately, 528 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: and I'm not throwing you under the bus, I don't think, 529 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: because we're just being honest and real. And hopefully next 530 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: time we chat it's going to be a lot of 531 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: more great stuff going on. But like right now, there's 532 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, fucking struggle town with you know, trying to 533 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: figure out medically what's going on with you and seizures 534 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: and pain and and you know, but trying to try 535 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's like when people you were saying before, 536 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: people like, oh, you'll be right, it's just tough it 537 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: out and all that, Like that's not wisdom, that's just 538 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: wishful thinking. You know, there is a time when your 539 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: body is going, no, this is not just about being tough. 540 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: This is about if you keep doing this the way 541 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: that you're doing it, you might kill yourself or fuck 542 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: yourself up. Medically forever, and so I'm really glad that 543 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: you paid attention, but you know, it is difficult and 544 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: this I had this chat with Carlie and Brad whose business, 545 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: the Fit Shop, burned to the ground a few weeks 546 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: ago now, and we're doing a fundraiser for them, and 547 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: if you feel like coming along, everybody, just please come 548 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: and support them. It's in a couple of weeks. I 549 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: think it's fuck. I should know it's June second or 550 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: something I shouldn't know off the top of my head. 551 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: But but you know, I mean, I think the beauty 552 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: of having a show like this and a platform like 553 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: this is to get people on who sometimes like you. 554 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: Right now, mate, it's okay to go. Look, I'm not 555 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: being negative when I say things suck right now, you 556 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: know that that's not you being a silk. That's not 557 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: you looking for attention, because I think there's a real 558 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: propensity when people get on podcasts or shows to kind 559 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: of be all about, oh, yeah, this happened, and this 560 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: was the lesson and this was yeah, that's that's cool, 561 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: and here's seven key insights, and here's five strategies to 562 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: do this and that. But sometimes too, like in the moment, 563 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: Like the practical reality is that physically, mentally, emotionally, financially, 564 00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 1: sometimes it sucks. And so for you right now, So 565 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: still lots of pain, am I correct? And still like 566 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: a fair bit of unknown in terms of the medical stuff. 567 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just wanting to be you know, 568 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: wanting to make sure everything's okay for family, you know. Yeah, yeah, 569 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: I've thought with all that stuff from the past, you know, 570 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: but it's you know how hard it is you lift weights. 571 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: It's it's tough at times when you push yourself right, 572 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: it's pain and it's stuff. And I'm like done that 573 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: for a long time, and I feel like, you know, 574 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: I've suffered and there's pain and I can it's it's 575 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: difficult obviously the pain, but I'm like, I get more 576 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: worried about my wife and the kids and stuff. So 577 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to make sure, you know that 578 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: they're okay, and I want to make sure that everything's 579 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: okay for them. So I'm like, it's, you know, I've 580 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: always been very I come from you know, a medical family, 581 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: Like I want to make sure I've always been very 582 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: strict with my medical health and it's and if I 583 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: wasn't I wouldn't have never found this tumor. You know, 584 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: I was always trying to you know, I did. I was, 585 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: you know, a natural world champion before I ever switched 586 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: over to do this, you know, competing in the I 587 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: F B and the Mysterill Impure and you go down 588 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: that route later on in my career. It was like, 589 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: so it was now, you know, going back and doing 590 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: this to try and get back into competing. I made 591 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: sure everything was you know, okay from that aspect. I 592 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 2: just didn't realize, you know, when I did dehydrate before 593 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: this contest, that I would feel that way. They getting 594 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: on stage, it was like, okay, this is yeah, this 595 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: isn't where I want to be. And you know, if 596 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: they can figure out what's going on with these sieges, 597 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: it seems like it's it's just strange that they're happening. 598 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to stay in touch with you. Look. 599 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: The good news every one is this his brain still 600 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: works well enough that he can coach people, you know, 601 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean this was just a ruse to 602 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: not really, but I mean the great thing is that 603 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, and I do I do want to give 604 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: Joshah blatant plug because I do want to. You know, 605 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: he's one of my friends and I love him and 606 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: I want to support him. But you know, he's just 607 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: opened the door, not just but he's opened the door 608 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: on doing some work training people. And by the way, 609 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily, in fact preferably in some ways, not elite athletes, 610 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: not elite bodybuilders, just people who want to train, people 611 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: who want to get in shape, and people who want 612 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: somebody who really understands training and understands optimizing genetic potential. 613 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: And so if people want to a program written by 614 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: you and some kind of ongoing coaching mate where they 615 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: can connect with you. You don't need to live in Melbourne, 616 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: which is where Josh lives. You can live. In fact, 617 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: you can live anywhere in the world. And that's the 618 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: beauty of I guess technology these days is you can 619 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: have a coach, a mentor or a teacher. Somebody is going 620 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: to help you through that process that doesn't need to 621 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: live around the corner. So anyone can be coached by 622 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: you and mentored by you in that space. Mate, Is 623 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: that right? 624 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? Mate, Well that's what I noticed when I was overseas, 625 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: like this isn't my time to be back competing it's 626 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: my time to be giving back. And that was my 627 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: kind of epiphany. It was, Okay, I've gone through It's 628 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: not why is this happening to me? It's what do 629 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: I need to learn from this experience? It was okay, well, 630 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 2: obviously was able to toughen out all these adversities and 631 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 2: trials and struggles that life's thrown at me, and they 632 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: still keep getting up and still keep putting the work 633 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: and then doing what I need to do. So how 634 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: can I then help others when they're going through something 635 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 2: that you know, may not be as severe but still 636 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 2: be quite difficult for their lifestyle, And how can I 637 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: then invest in them and help them? So it was 638 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 2: that was where I'm now. I just turned to well, 639 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: I've got such a vast amount of knowledge with what 640 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: I was able to accomplish to then pass that on 641 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 2: to to other people. So if anyone wants to do that, 642 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 2: it's through my other main Instagram, which is my name 643 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: will be in this Josh Lenadowitz, So just send me 644 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 2: a DM or Facebook, and then Josh Lenadowitz dot com 645 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 2: is the website as well. 646 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: And again stuck, if you get stuck and you can't 647 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: find him, send me an email just through my website 648 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: and I'll put you together. And I think also important 649 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: to point out that you know, you're happy to help 650 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: people who want to get on stage, but that's you know, 651 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: you happy to really help anyone who wants to even 652 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: beginners who want to get underway and start weight training. 653 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: Maybe people who've never lifted a weight but just need 654 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: somebody with vast knowledge to kind of keep an eye 655 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: on them and give them a little bit of a guide. Yeah. 656 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think with me, I think I've done 657 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 2: so many different diets and plans and stuff around. I've 658 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: done so many things right and now with what you said, 659 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 2: they're still trying to figure things out. And we know that, 660 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 2: you know, with nutrition, it's kind of everything. So you've 661 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 2: will be a fan bit of a fan of Jordan Peterson, 662 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 2: I assume, and they've gone through just that Carnival diet, 663 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I think maybe it's time for 664 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: me to give that a bit of a crack. So 665 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 2: I've been on here a handful of times. I love you. 666 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 2: Maybe we use this as a bit of a platform 667 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 2: to say, well, let's do me to turn into the 668 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 2: Carnival man, to try that out for a bit and 669 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 2: see how that affects me with getting rid of these 670 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 2: seizes in this pain and me go onto that and 671 00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: a bit of an update letter. 672 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: Have you started that or are you going to? 673 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: Let's do it. I'll start now thinking about that after 674 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: we spoke last night. Well, let's when we do this podcast. 675 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 2: Let's make that the d day. 676 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, so good. So let's all right, 677 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: so are you going to start that now? 678 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: Just meet mate, I'll give it a crack. 679 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: Wow wow, all right, so happy. 680 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 2: And if it's my discipline, mate, I should be able 681 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 2: to do it, if I can get through those the 682 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: rest of the stuff I've gone through. If I can't 683 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 2: do it, how can I be a coach and tell 684 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: people to die and need healthy. 685 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: By the way, everyone, that's not a personal recommendation that 686 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: you become a carnival Ony diet. 687 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 2: But it isn't. But if someone's struggling with keto is 688 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 2: meant to be a great thing for epilepsy. Yet they 689 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: get very concerned about people's cholesterol and that they put 690 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 2: people on statins and seize your medication. Whereas Carnival's kind 691 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 2: of a bit more of a newer thing for people 692 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 2: so I'm not recommending people do that whatsoever. I'm saying 693 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 2: for someone like me, who's in the rare instance who's 694 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: been a profession nobody will who's had a cranyotomy and 695 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: had a tumor in the head and had seizures and 696 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 2: had all these things, it's yeah, try something a little 697 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: bit different, especially when he's got his wife and kids 698 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 2: to fight for. That's a great motivational tool. 699 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: All right. So I'm looking in my phone. So tomorrow 700 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: is the twenty third of May. 701 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 2: So when do you want to have me on next 702 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: mante so that this is let's do. 703 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: So let's say you start tomorrow on the twenty third, 704 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: So one week, two week, the four weeks is four 705 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: weeks is the twentieth of June. So I'm going to 706 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: write down June twenty, June twenty, June twenty. We're going 707 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: to get you back on on June twenty, which means 708 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: you will it'll be your twenty eighth day, and we're 709 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: just going to talk about how you've gone on four 710 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: weeks of me only cuz that's that's an interesting N 711 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: equals one study. We're always talking about that here. And 712 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: Josh is the researcher and he is the subject. So 713 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: all right, mate, well we mate love you too. 714 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 2: Buddy, and said sorry for complaining any one other story 715 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: was a little bit not. 716 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: Complaining, not complaining. We're just having a chat and you're 717 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: going through a ship time and that's it. Not everything struggle, 718 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: Not everything needs to be you know, life is peaks 719 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: and troughs, and sometimes you know, it's like loving someone, 720 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: caring about someone, wanting to support someone. Sometimes it's the 721 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: troughs where we really need to work. You know, it's 722 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: like I, when your life's going great, I'm happy to 723 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: just get the fuck out of the road as your friend. 724 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't need to talk to you on a daily 725 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: basis or weekly basis and and fucking pump up your tires. 726 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: But you know, you and I have connected, Like the 727 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: most times where we've connected deeply is often when things 728 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: have gone a bit shit for you. And that's that's 729 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: not because you only reach out to me when you 730 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: need something, but that's when I feel like, hopefully I 731 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: can be of value to you and help you and 732 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: support you. And that's to me, that's like I feel, 733 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: And I know that you're grateful, but you don't need 734 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: to be. But for me, I feel like I have 735 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: an ability to be able to help people in that way, 736 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: So I think I need to use that, you know. 737 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: And I think having conversations like this when things are 738 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: not great, albeit not that common, that everyone wants to 739 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: get on a podcast and be all love and light 740 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: and unicorns and positivity. And I understand that because that 741 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: gets bums on seats, but also that's not reflective of life, 742 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: because sometimes life's a fuckfest of pain and bullshit, and 743 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: you know, that's where we're at, and it's okay, it's 744 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: okay to go. Look, today is a bit shit. That's 745 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: not you being negative, that's you just reporting on how 746 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: today is, you know. And so for me, while this 747 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: is maybe not a typical fucking let's all sing Kumbai 748 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: Ah and conquer the world, I still think these conversations 749 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: are really important. And you know, I appreciate you for 750 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: being honest and vulnerable and authentic in the middle of 751 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: it all. 752 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 2: I appreciate it, mate, And I also know that not 753 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 2: what happens to you, it's what you do about it. 754 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 2: So I hope from you know this conversation as well, 755 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,879 Speaker 2: it's what can I do about it? And Some things 756 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 2: are out of my control. But what is in my control? 757 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 2: I hope I can control that and and create a 758 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 2: better outcome. 759 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you can do, motherfucker. You can 760 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 1: eat meat for twenty eight days and laugh at you. 761 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: You might get rid of your fat face. 762 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, exactly, exactly. 763 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: Love you. I love your fat face. 764 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 2: So anybody more men to love? Love you, mate,