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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installing the new project.

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Speaker 1: It's Jumbo, It's Craig Anthey, Harper, Joshua and Leonardo. It's

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Speaker 1: friend of mine. He's arguably Australia's best ever FBB pro bodybuilder,

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Speaker 1: father of two, husband of Liz Man about town. There's

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Speaker 1: been a few peaks and troughs in his journey over

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Speaker 1: the last few years, and we hit abyak again.

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Speaker 2: Hi, mate, mate, Jumbo brain is Jumbo is the evolution

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about.

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Speaker 2: Being called smart, but how about the smartest person in

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Speaker 2: your in your body? How does that sound? Can you

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Speaker 2: take that? Will you accept that?

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Speaker 1: Do you know? Sometimes I think I don't really think

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Speaker 1: I'm smart. I think I'm good at optimizing what I have.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm good at getting the most out of

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Speaker 1: what i have to work with. If that's a kind

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Speaker 1: of smart, then I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: How about you just have about work ethic like an

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Speaker 2: almost like a machine. How about that? How about how

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Speaker 2: I have that discipline and dedicate and that stuff that's

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Speaker 2: like top shelf, your top shelf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pumping up my tires in the first minute.

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Speaker 2: You know, why do we get you everywhere? Mate? You'll

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Speaker 2: be buying me dinnercent Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean here's the thing, right, you can't you

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Speaker 1: can't choose your IQ, you can't choose your genetics. You

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Speaker 1: can't you can't change the hours in a day, blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But you can figure out what you're going to do

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Speaker 1: with all that stuff, you know. Like, I've coached lots

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Speaker 1: of people who I would think inherently have a higher

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Speaker 1: IQ than me and probably more natural talent and potential,

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Speaker 1: but the other stuff they don't. They just don't have it.

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Speaker 1: Some do, like a lot do, but some don't. And

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, I've seen the same thing. You might

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Speaker 1: have seen it in the gym too. In the gym,

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Speaker 1: I've seen it with people with fucking amazing genetics who

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Speaker 1: just don't want to get uncomfortable consistently. They love the

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Speaker 1: idea of, you know, high performance, but they don't want

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Speaker 1: to do the work to create high performance. Same in corporate,

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Speaker 1: Same in working with you know, elite athletes in the

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Speaker 1: sporting arena. You know, there's what we've got to work

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Speaker 1: with and then there's what we do with what we've

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Speaker 1: got to work with. They're two different things.

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Speaker 2: Right, Massively potential potential scene all the time. It's just

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Speaker 2: and it's wasted so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so much. Yeah. Do you think how much

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Speaker 1: of your potential genetically when you were competing? Do you

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Speaker 1: reckon you got? If ten out of ten is human

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Speaker 1: optimization to the limit, Like you couldn't get any more

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Speaker 1: out of you, what do you reckon? You got out

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Speaker 1: of you on stage?

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Speaker 2: Probably about a six, really six or seven. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: was taking my time enjoying my life, and I thought

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Speaker 2: I had a lot longer before it got cut short.

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Speaker 2: So I was kind of like, in a way, trying

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Speaker 2: to invest in the people that I I love and

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Speaker 2: not trying to make it too obsessed, which is sounds

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Speaker 2: weird for bodybuilding because it's a really obsessive lifestyle. But

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Speaker 2: I was at the same time still trying to enjoy

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Speaker 2: what I could. And it don't get me wrong, when

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Speaker 2: I needed to be disciplined, I was extremely disciplined. But

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Speaker 2: I thought I still had another five or ten years

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Speaker 2: within bodybuilding before I had this tumor. That's part of

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Speaker 2: the family that cut me cut things short, which is yeah,

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Speaker 2: cause a lot of problems ever since from the surgeries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll open the door, We'll open the meta door

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Speaker 1: on that. But like that, I want to just zoom

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Speaker 1: out of the micro of that and back to the

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Speaker 1: macro of bodybuilding as a sport. So I grew up

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Speaker 1: not like well kind of. I mean I was always around.

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Speaker 1: I was a bodybuilder, just not a competitive bodybuilder. I

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Speaker 1: was just like your weekend warrior, right. I was like you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your bloke that plays suburban footy? That was I was

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Speaker 1: the equivalent of that.

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Speaker 2: Would you walk past it? Could you walk past a

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Speaker 2: reflection of a window? And no, I can look at yourself.

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Speaker 1: No, I was too. I was fucking enamored with myself.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was shit hot. I wasn't, but I

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Speaker 1: thought I was. Now that's not true. I actually thought

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Speaker 1: I was terrible. But but I really tried to you.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to make sure you were a bit better than before,

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Speaker 2: make sure every day was better than yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I still angle on the left side if I'm getting

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Speaker 1: a photo taken.

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Speaker 2: And I saw a photo of you in a suit yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Did you that?

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Speaker 2: I was amazed?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's I showed you that. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was that one time when I wore a suit.

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Speaker 1: But like, like, you're quite a deep philosophical person and

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Speaker 1: me too in some ways. But did it ever dawn

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Speaker 1: on you how bad it is, potentially bad it is

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Speaker 1: for people's self esteem, self worth and all of that

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Speaker 1: when especially, you know, these days we talk about you know,

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Speaker 1: you're much more than a body, and you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like people's you know, body dysmorphea and body image and

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Speaker 1: all the judgment and stuff that happens with how people look,

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Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be like that. And then literally there's

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Speaker 1: a sport where you stand on stage in pretty much

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Speaker 1: nothing and you you literally judged, not figuratively, like you're

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Speaker 1: literally judged. And if there's ten people on stage, one

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Speaker 1: inverted commas, one's going to be the best in inverted commas.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty tough like. It's kind of like mma.

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Speaker 1: I love it and hate it. I love the sport,

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Speaker 1: but I hate the potential damage that comes with people

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Speaker 1: getting punched in the head. And I love bodybuilding, but

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Speaker 1: I hate the potential damage which might come to some

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Speaker 1: people's self esteem and emotional and mental health with standing

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Speaker 1: up on stage in you know, no clothes being judged.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that.

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Speaker 2: And it's basically body shaming and people pay to do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's weird when you think of it like that, right.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it. It's like where you're going.

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Speaker 2: To stand if people did that in the news, the news.

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Speaker 1: We're totally you know, you shouldn't judge anyone on how

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Speaker 1: they look. Oh, there's a sport that does that, Like

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Speaker 1: it's it's a global sport.

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Speaker 2: And it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? I mean, like the evolution of

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Speaker 1: seventies and eighties and watching Arnold and all the old

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Speaker 1: you know, Lou Farino and Robbie Robinson and Surge and

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Speaker 1: new Bray and Serge Olimpia, Serge Olivia and all those

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Speaker 1: old timers who were just fucking old guys on Diana

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Speaker 1: Boll and Decker just getting on stage with their twenty

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Speaker 2: The doctors were there's no problems.

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Speaker 1: That's that's hilarious. I don't know if that was a

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Speaker 1: maybe that's just like illusion. But these days bodybuilding in

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Speaker 1: it's bikinis, it's figures, it's body shaping, it's the what's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with a broad shorts physique. That's evolved and now

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Speaker 2: it's there massive. It used to look like a board,

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Speaker 2: like a beach body. Now it's huge, massive, broad shots,

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Speaker 1: And it seems like there are more and more people

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Speaker 1: like I thought. I thought, you know, there was a

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Speaker 2: I think everything's into wine. So of course people want

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Speaker 2: especially within the kids, it's it's mammoth. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: not it's not good. It's taken over so much.

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Speaker 1: Sorry. It is interesting because at the same time, got

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Speaker 1: that's what body. You know, you get on stage and

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Speaker 1: literally the judge's job is to judge your body.

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Speaker 2: It's a difficult experience to judge other people. Yes, because

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Speaker 2: of course you want.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel a bit conflicted when you were doing.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, because you want more, more time, and you

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Speaker 2: sure you have enough time to do that correctly as well,

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Speaker 2: and it's yeah, it's definitely there's definitely a challenge to

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Speaker 2: do that because of course, like they say in bodybuilding,

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Speaker 2: So it's that's also the confusing part within bodybuilding. You're

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Speaker 2: a of six different judges in Queensland and they might

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Speaker 2: have different opinions with what a body should look like.

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Speaker 2: So that's also that's another element of difference, even though

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Speaker 2: there's some guidelines and then so that's I just tell

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Speaker 2: with what you look like.

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Speaker 1: And I guess one of the differences between bodybuilding and

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Speaker 1: a lot of other I mean, some people would argue

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Speaker 1: that it's a sport or a hobby or a pastime

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Speaker 1: or but let's go with sport, is that it's not

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Speaker 1: an objective measurement. It's like a subjective interpretation. It's like

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Speaker 1: literally a judge sitting in a chair ten feet off

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Speaker 1: their eyes and there, like like you said, through their perception,

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Speaker 1: and then the person next to them. You know, there

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Speaker 1: might be ten let's say ladies on stage, and one

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Speaker 1: same thing on the same day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, spot on exactly. Well, they imagine this. They all

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Speaker 2: have they looking image if they're all clions, but one

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Speaker 2: has brown hair and one has blonde hair, and that's

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Speaker 2: their preference, so that's where they place. But then they

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Speaker 2: go home not placing well and feel disappointed and upset

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Speaker 2: that they've given up so much for so long and

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Speaker 2: dieted and sacrificed, and then it didn't place where they

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Speaker 2: image because they thought, oh, you know, didn't get what

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Speaker 2: I wanted. So, yes, can have some really high highs

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Speaker 2: this sport, and if you want to call it a

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Speaker 2: sport into really low lows. Definitely.

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Speaker 1: I told you before we started. I just had a

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? To me is a little bit sad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's an interesting field mate. You talk

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Speaker 1: So for people who don't don't know you, I just

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Speaker 1: see how you're traveling. So you were Australia's premiere elite

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Speaker 1: Did you win? Four? Are you won? Four? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I look at you blush. You make me blush.

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Speaker 1: I get asked a lot about you. Do you see Josh?

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Speaker 1: Do you see Josh? What's Josh up to? Is he training?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, where I'd be very quiet on social media,

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Speaker 1: Weren't getting on stage because you're excited to get on stage,

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Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent correct. So it was, and it

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Speaker 2: wife and the kids to come, and she's like it's

434
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 2: going to be agony, like trying to travel with this

435
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 2: be screaming and kid and I'm like, ah, you know

436
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: that I've never competed without my wife being there. So

437
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: I end up I go, Okay, I'm going to book

438
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: the last flight there, and then I'm going to leave

439
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: the first flight after the show, and which is the

440
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: worst thing to do as a body. But when you

441
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: get rid of you got to get there early, you

442
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: got to get rid of the water, you got to

443
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: do all this stuff. So I get there late, make

444
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: this just to just to make this athletes meeting, which

445
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 2: is compulsory, and I do the contest. As soon as

446
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: I walk out on stage, I just hated it. You

447
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: do this first walkout on your own, not even in

448
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 2: comparisons in groups, and I just as soon as I

449
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: walked out, I just hated it, Like the lights, everything.

450
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: I just felt like I was going to have a seat,

451
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: like almost like I was going to have a seize her.

452
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what am I doing? And I was

453
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to win anyway, Like it was. The

454
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: people that deserve to win, definitely deserve to win. Hats

455
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: off to them, well done for me. Just with my

456
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm just not enjoying this. This

457
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: is wrong. Why did I do this for? You know?

458
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: This isn't good. And then I'm not not enjoying it.

459
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: You know, normally I'd enjoy performing and I've done all

460
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: this hard work and instead of training and getting those

461
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: open me in doorphins, it was just you train, it'd

462
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: be pain. You train, it'd be pain. It'd be like

463
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: there was no uplifting aspects of this prep that well

464
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: would even though it was a painful experience. Normally the

465
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: contest preps are there was still an element of enjoyment

466
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: out of it that you could reflect on. There wasn't

467
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: that within this prep at all. And I wasn't going

468
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: to get on social media and be like, you know,

469
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: having another hard day, guys, Hey, guys doing it? Look

470
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: at me, Look how good I am? Well, look how

471
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: much I'm pushing. It wasn't that. It was and exactly

472
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: like I said, I was doing it to try and

473
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: make a living for my kids and stuff. Right, So

474
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: so then I get that they do the call outs,

475
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: and then what happens in bodybuilding, They maybe like twenty competitors, right,

476
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: but only the top ten come back for the night

477
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: show to do a square opposing routine. It's like a

478
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: choreographed routine for entertainment for the crowd. And I knew

479
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: by the way the call outs were that I was

480
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: going to be within that top ten and I was

481
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: hating it. So as soon as they did they were

482
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: doing the callouts, I just walked off the stage like

483
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: I knew I was in the top ten, called my

484
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: wife and they were calling Josh Josh, and my wife's

485
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: home watching it live and she's like get back on stage.

486
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: And I'm like no, and she's like, you need to

487
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: get back on stage now, like will our son's watching it.

488
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm done. She's just like you need

489
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: to get on stage, like you need to finish what

490
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: you said. I'm like I'm finished, Like I'm done. That's

491
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: it for me, Like I'm I'm done. I'm in pain,

492
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm in agony, this is this is great. I'm done.

493
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: So I was over the other side of the world

494
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: without doing something for my family, without my family there,

495
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: and it was just like the almost like a place

496
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: like rock bottom when you hit where you hit that feeling.

497
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: And I was just got home to the hotel. I'm

498
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: just sitting there waiting because it was the flight was

499
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 2: first thing in the morning, so I'm just up all

500
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: night waiting for the flight. As soon as it hits

501
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: time to go to the airport, go to the airport,

502
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: go to check my bags, and they're like, you've missed

503
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: the bag checking. You can't get the flight and I'm like,

504
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: no way, I don't care about my bags. I'm leaving

505
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: my bags. You can't do that. That's illegal to do

506
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: it an airport. I was just like, I ain't okay,

507
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: I'll get the next flight. I'll get the next one.

508
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 2: You can't because you booked it as one flight. It

509
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 2: was just like this language barrier as well, and I'm like,

510
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: when's the next one you can get me? It's like

511
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: two days later. I was like, ah, given me. It

512
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: was just one of those deep thinking like what am

513
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: I doing? Like what is going on here? And yeah,

514
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: it was just one of those times where it was

515
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 2: like need to really figure out what's going on here?

516
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 2: Like what's why am I still in pain? Why am

517
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: I still having these sages? And then what am I?

518
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

519
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: What was I? What was I? What was I thinking

520
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: doing this show?

521
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: It's like Trevor Hendy and I spoke before and we

522
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: were talking. He was talking about not to the same

523
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: level of despair and pain that you were in, but

524
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: he was talking about like he had like he went

525
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: through this period. I don't want to fuck up the

526
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: show in case people haven't heard it, but where he

527
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: was going through some shit and it's like He calls

528
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: it the gift that came out of the darkness, like

529
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: this ship that he was in the middle of, which

530
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: you're kind of still in the middle of. And we're

531
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: going to talk about that in a minute. But you know,

532
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: just dealing with dealing with really hard stuff that you

533
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: can't like. You and I have chatted a little bit lately,

534
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: and I'm not throwing you under the bus, I don't think,

535
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: because we're just being honest and real. And hopefully next

536
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: time we chat it's going to be a lot of

537
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: more great stuff going on. But like right now, there's

538
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, fucking struggle town with you know, trying to

539
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: figure out medically what's going on with you and seizures

540
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: and pain and and you know, but trying to try.

541
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's like when people you were saying before,

542
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: people like, oh, you'll be right, it's just tough it

543
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: out and all that, Like that's not wisdom, that's just

544
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: wishful thinking. You know, there is a time when your

545
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: body is going, no, this is not just about being tough.

546
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: This is about if you keep doing this the way

547
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: that you're doing it, you might kill yourself or fuck

548
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: yourself up medically forever and so I'm really glad that

549
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: you paid attention, but you know, it is difficult and

550
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: this I had this chat with Carlie and Brad whose business,

551
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: the Fit Shop, burned to the ground a few weeks

552
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: ago now, and we're doing a fundraiser for them, and

553
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: if you feel like coming along, everybody, just please come

554
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: and support them. It's in a couple of weeks. I

555
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: think it's fuck. I should know it's June second or

556
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: something I shouldn't know off the top of my head.

557
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: But but you know, I mean, I think the beauty

558
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: of having a show like this and a platform like

559
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: this is to get people on who sometimes like you.

560
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: Right now, mate, it's okay to go. Look, I'm not

561
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: being negative when I say things suck right now. You

562
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: know that that's not you being a silk. That's not

563
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: you looking for attention. Because I think there's a real

564
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: propensity when people get on podcasts or shows to kind

565
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: of be all about, oh, yeah, this happened, and this

566
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: was the lesson and this was yeah, that's that's cool,

567
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: and here's seven key insights, and here's five strategies to

568
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: do this and that. But sometimes too, like in the moment,

569
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: like the practical reality is that physically, mentally, emotionally, financially

570
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: sometimes it sucks. And so for you right now, So

571
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: still lots of pain, am I correct? And still like

572
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: a fair bit of unknown in terms of the medical stuff.

573
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just wanting to be you know,

574
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: wanting to make sure everything's okay for family.

575
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: You know.

576
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've thought with all that stuff from the past,

577
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, but it's you know how hard it is

578
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: you lift weights. It's it's tough at times when you

579
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: push yourself right, it's pain and it's stuff. And I'm

580
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: like done that for a long time, and i feel like,

581
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: you know, I've suffered and there's pain and I can

582
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: it's it's difficult obviously the pain, but I'm like, I

583
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: get more worried about my wife and the kids and stuff.

584
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I want to make sure you know

585
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: that they're okay, and I want to make sure that

586
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: everything's okay for them. So I'm like, it's, you know,

587
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: I've always been very I come from, you know, a

588
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: medical family, Like I want to make sure I've always

589
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: been very strict with my medical health and it's and

590
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: if I wasn't, I wouldn't have never found this tumor.

591
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: You know, I was always trying to you know, I did.

592
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: I was, you know, a natural world champion before I

593
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: ever switched over to do this, you know, competing in

594
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: the I F B and the Mysterill Impure and you

595
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: go down that route later on in my career. It

596
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: was like, so it was now, you know, going back

597
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: and doing this to try and get back into competing.

598
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: I made sure everything was you know, okay from that aspect.

599
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: I just didn't realize, you know, when I did dehydrate

600
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: before this contest, that I would feel that way. They

601
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: getting on stage, it was like, okay, this is yeah,

602
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: this isn't where I want to be. And you know,

603
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: if they can figure out what's going on with these sieges,

604
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: it seems like it's it's just strange that they're happening.

605
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to stay in touch with you. Look.

606
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: The good news every one is this his brain still

607
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: works well enough that he can coach people, you know,

608
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, this was just a ruse to

609
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: not really but I mean the great thing is that

610
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, and I do I do want to give

611
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: Joshah blatant plug because I do want to you know,

612
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: he's one of my friends, and I love him and

613
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: I want to support him. But you know, he's just

614
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: opened the door, not just but he's opened the door

615
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: on doing some work training people. And by the way,

616
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: not necessarily, in fact preferably in some ways, not elite athletes,

617
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: not elite bodybuilders, just people who want to train, people

618
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: who want to get in shape, and people who want

619
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: somebody who really understands training and understands optimizing genetic potential.

620
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: And so if people want to a program written by

621
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: you and some kind of ongoing coaching, mate, where they

622
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: can connect with you. You don't need to live in Melbourne,

623
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: which is where Josh lives. You can live. In fact,

624
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: you can live anywhere in the world. And that's the

625
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: beauty of I guess technology these days is you can

626
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: have a coach, a mentor, or a teacher. Somebody is going

627
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: to help you through that process that doesn't need to

628
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: live around the corner. So anyone can be coached by

629
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: you and mentored by you in that space. Mate, Is

630
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah?

631
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 2: Mate, Well that's what I noticed when I was overseas, like,

632
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: this isn't my time to be back competing, It's my

633
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: time to be giving back, And that was my kind

634
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: of epiphany. It was, Okay, I've gone through It's not

635
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: why is this happening to me? It's what do I

636
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: need to learn from this experience? It was okay, well,

637
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: obviously was able to toughen out all these adversities and

638
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: trials and struggles that life's thrown at me, and they

639
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: still keep getting up and still keep putting the work

640
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: and then doing what I need to do. So how

641
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: can I then help others when they're going through something

642
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: that you know, may not be as severe but still

643
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: be quite difficult for their lifestyle, And how can I

644
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: then invest in them and help them? So it was

645
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: that was where I'm now. I just turned to well,

646
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: I've got such a vast amount of knowledge with what

647
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: I was able to accomplish to then pass that on

648
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: to to other people. So if anyone wants to do that,

649
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: it's through my other main Instagram, which is my name

650
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: will be in this Josh Lenadowitz, So just send me

651
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: a DM or Facebook, and then Josh Lenadowitz dot com

652
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: is the website as well.

653
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: And again stuck, if you get stuck and you can't

654
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: find him, send me an email just through my website

655
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: and I'll put you together. And I think also important

656
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: to point out that you know, you're happy to help

657
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: people who want to get on stage, but that's you know,

658
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: you happy to really help anyone who wants to even

659
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: beginners who want to get underway and start weight training.

660
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Maybe people who've never lifted a weight but just need

661
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: somebody with vast knowledge to kind of keep an eye

662
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: on them and give them a little bit of a guide. Yeah.

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00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think with me, I think I've done

664
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: so many different diets and plans and stuff around. I've

665
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: done so many things right and now with what you said,

666
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: they're still trying to figure things out. And we know that,

667
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 2: you know, with nutrition, it's kind of everything. So you've

668
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: will be a fan bit of a fan of Jordan Peterson,

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00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: I assume, and they've gone through just that Carnival diet,

670
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I think maybe it's time for

671
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: me to give that a bit of a crack. So

672
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I've been on here a handful of times. I love you.

673
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: Maybe we use this as a bit of a platform

674
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: to say, well, let's do me to turn into the

675
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: Carnival man, to try that out for a bit and

676
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: see how that affects me with getting rid of these

677
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: seizes in this pain and me go onto that and

678
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: a bit of an update letter.

679
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Speaker 1: Have you started that or are you going to?

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00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: Let's do it. I'll start now thinking about that after

681
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: we spoke last night. Well let's when we do this podcast.

682
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: Let's make that the d day.

683
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, so good. So let's all right,

684
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: So are you going to start that now?

685
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Speaker 2: Just meet mate, I'll give it a.

686
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: Crack wow wow, all right, so happy.

687
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: And if it's my discipline, mate, I should be able

688
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: to do it if I can get through those the

689
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: rest of the stuff I've gone through. If I can't

690
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: do it, how can I be a coach and tell

691
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Speaker 2: people to die and need healthy.

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Speaker 1: By the way, everyone, that's not a personal recommendation that

693
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Speaker 1: you become a carnival Ony diet.

694
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Speaker 2: But it isn't. But if someone's struggling with keto is

695
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: meant to be a great thing for epilepsy. Yet they

696
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: get very concerned about people's cholesterol and that they put

697
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: people on statins and seize your medication, whereas Carnival's kind

698
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: of a bit more of a newer thing for people.

699
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Speaker 2: So I'm not recommending people do that whatsoever. I'm saying

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Speaker 2: for someone like me who's in the rare instance, who's

701
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: been a profession nobody will who's had a cranyotomy and

702
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: had a tumor in the head and had seizures and

703
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: had all these things. It's yeah, try something a little

704
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: bit different, especially when he's got his wife and kids

705
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: to fight for. That's a great motivational tool.

706
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: All right. So I'm looking in my phone. So tomorrow

707
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: is the twenty third of May.

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Speaker 2: So when do you want to have me on next

709
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Speaker 2: mante so that this is let's do.

710
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Speaker 1: So let's say you start tomorrow on the twenty third,

711
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: So one week, two week, the four weeks is four

712
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Speaker 1: weeks is the twentieth of June. So I'm going to

713
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Speaker 1: write down June twenty, June twenty, June twenty. We're going

714
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Speaker 1: to get you back on on June twenty, which means

715
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: you will it'll be your twenty eighth day, and we're

716
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Speaker 1: just going to talk about how you've gone on four

717
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: weeks of me ONLYZ. That's that's an interesting N equals

718
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: one study. We're always talking about that here. And Josh

719
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: is the researcher and he is the subject so all

720
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: right mate, well we mate love you too.

721
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: Buddy, and said sorry for complaining any one other story

722
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: was a little bit not.

723
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: Complaining, not complaining. We're just having a chat and you're

724
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: going through a ship time and that's it. Not everything struggle,

725
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: Not everything needs to be. You know, life is peaks

726
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: and troughs, and sometimes you know, it's like loving someone,

727
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: caring about someone, wanting to support someone. Sometimes it's the

728
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: troughs where we really need to work. You know. It's

729
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: like I, when your life's going great, I'm happy to

730
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: just get the fuck out of the road as your friend.

731
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't need to talk to you on a daily

732
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: basis or weekly basis and and fucking pump up your tires.

733
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: But you know, you and I have connected, Like the

734
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: most times where we've connected deeply is often when things

735
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: have gone a bit shit for you. And that's that's

736
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: not because you only reach out to me when you

737
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: need something, but that's when I feel like, hopefully I

738
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: can be of value to you and help you and

739
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: support you. And that's to me, that's like I feel.

740
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: And I know that you're grateful, but you don't need

741
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: to be. But for me, I feel like I have

742
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: an ability to be able to help people in that way.

743
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: So I think I need to use that, you know.

744
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: And I think having conversations like this when things are

745
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: not great, albeit not that common, that everyone wants to

746
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: get on a podcast and be all love and light

747
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: and unicorns and positivity. And I understand that because that

748
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: gets bums on seats, But also that's not reflective of life,

749
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: because sometimes life's a fuckfest of pain and bullshit, and

750
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: you know, that's where we're at, and it's okay, it's

751
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: okay to go, Look, today is a bit shit. That's

752
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: not you being negative, that's you just reporting on how

753
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: today is, you know. And so for me, while this

754
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: is maybe not a typical fucking let's all sing Kumbai

755
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Ah and conquer the world, I still think these conversations

756
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: are really important. And you know, I appreciate you for

757
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: being honest and vulnerable and authentic in the middle of

758
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: it all.

759
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, mate, And I also know that not

760
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: what happens to you, it's what you do about it.

761
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: So I hope from you know this conversation as well,

762
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: it's what can I do about it? And some things

763
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: are out of my control, but what is in my control.

764
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: I hope I can control that and and create a

765
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 2: better outcome.

766
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you can do, motherfucker. You can

767
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: eat meat for twenty eight days and laugh at you.

768
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: You might get rid of your fat face.

769
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Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, exactly, exactly.

770
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Speaker 1: Love you. I love your fat face.

771
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Speaker 2: So anybody more men to love? Love you, mate,