1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christanami. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: It it's Friday, January seventeenth. Don't bank on a rate 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: cut in February. That's the warning from economists who say 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: bumper employment figures released on Thursday will have the Reserve 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Bank running scared and it could dash the government's hopes 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: of a pre election rate cut. You can read that 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: story right now at the Australian dot com dot au. 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: A long awaited ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas has 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: fallen over at the eleventh hour thanks to political infighting 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: in the Israeli cabinet. So what now? That's today's episode. 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: On Saturday, a little baby will celebrate his second birthday, 12 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: but for the second time that precious milestone will occur 13 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: in captivity. Kafir Beebas, whose shock of red hair became 14 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: a symbol of the more than two hundred hostages taken 15 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: by the militant group Hamas on October seven, twenty twenty three, 16 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: will be with his mum and dad, Shiri and Yarden 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: and his big brother Ariel, and after a ceasefire deal 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: was tentatively struck between Israel and Hamas, it looked like 19 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Kafir and his family could be among the first to 20 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: return home after fifteen long and terrifying months, but now 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: that future is more uncertain than ever. After the cabinet 22 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: of Israeli PM Benjamin Etna who failed to ratify the truce. 23 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: A ceasefire deal. A ceasefire has finally, at last been agreed. 24 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: This is a massive deal, weeks in the making. The 25 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: news broke early on Thursday morning. Finally, after four hundred 26 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: and sixty seven days of war, a ceasefire has been 27 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: agreed between Israel and Tamas. After more than a year 28 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 1: and thousands of deaths, Israel and Hammas will end their fighting. 29 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: There were celebrations in the streets of Gaza. World leaders 30 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: breathed a collective sigh of relief, but the jubilation didn't 31 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: last long. The deal was set to be ratified at 32 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: an anticipated meeting of the Israeli Cabinet later on Thursday, 33 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: but that was delayed when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyaho accused 34 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: Harmas of renegging on parts of the agreement. A senior 35 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: Hamas official said in a post on telegram that wasn't 36 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: the case, adding that the militant group is committed to 37 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: the ceasefire agreement. The hold up came down to political 38 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: infighting in Netanyahu's cabinet. His political future has been threatened 39 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: by far right members of his coalition who see concessions 40 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: made by the PM to bring hostages home as a 41 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: loss for Israel against their terrorist adversaries. Its complex, and 42 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: this situation is changing quickly. Here's what we know. The 43 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: deal was expected to happen in three stages. First, Israeli 44 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: forces would begin to withdraw from Gaza's densely populated areas, 45 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: so displaced Palestinians could return home and humanitarian aid to 46 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: the region could be ratcheted up. Around thirty hostages taken 47 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: into the Palestinian territories by Hamas militants during that deadly 48 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: October seven massacre were to be freed. The Beavers brothers 49 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: might have been among them. In return, hundreds of Palestinian 50 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: prisoners currently held in Israeli jails would have been returned. 51 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: In stages two and three, it was proposed that Israeli 52 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: troops would come completely withdrawal from Gaza and any remaining 53 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: hostages would be released before rebuilding could begin in the 54 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: decimated Gaza strip I spoke to The Australian's chief international correspondent, 55 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart, in the hours before the ceasefire deal was 56 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: plunged into doubt. 57 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: The real challenge Christian comes in the second phase of 58 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: the deal, and that requires the release of the rest 59 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 2: of the hostages, but also the declaration of a permanent 60 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: piece and the removal of all Israeli forces from Gaza. 61 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: Now Hamas and Israel are not in agreement at the 62 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: moment on that aspect. Israel's very reluctant to declare a 63 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: permanent peace. They want to be able to come in 64 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: and hit Hamas if they see Hamas rearming in any sense, 65 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: and Harmasas said it's not going to release all of 66 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: the hostages until the idef the Israeli forces are completely 67 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: out of Gaza, and Israel says, no, that won't happen. 68 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: They won't leave Gaza until the hostages are released. Look 69 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: sound small in some ways, but in fact they're very 70 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: difficult negotiating positions which have to be resolved for the 71 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 2: second phase to succeed. That will be the real test 72 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: of this agreement. 73 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: Several nations played roles in these most recent ceasefire negotiations. 74 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: Both Joe Biden and Donald Trump have taken credit for 75 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: finally bringing the truce to fruition the outgoing president through 76 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: meticulous deploymacy. 77 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: This plan was developed and negotiated by my team and 78 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: will be largely implemented by the incoming administration and. 79 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: The President elect through brute force. 80 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: If those hostages aren't back by the time I get 81 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: into office, all hell will break out in the Middle East. 82 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: Even a vow by lynchpin Katari negotiators to steady the 83 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: ship couldn't get it over the line. Here's Prime Minister 84 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: Shaik Muhammad bin Abdul Rahman Altani. 85 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: We are committed. I believe that it all depends on 86 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: the parties of the agreement and acting in good fifth 87 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 3: and that agreement in order to ensure that no collapse 88 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: happening to that deal. 89 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Kem what happens if both parties can't agree on the 90 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: next phase of the deal. 91 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: Look, it would be terrible news obviously for those hostages 92 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: who might still be in captivity at that point in time. 93 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: It would also be terrible news for the Palestinian people 94 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: because Israel would obviously begin its at tax again, which 95 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: would lead to so being casualties, and I think for 96 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: the net Niahu government it would be a very difficult situation. 97 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 2: There are lots of Israelis who really want to see 98 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: a cessation of hostilities. A very interesting point here, though, 99 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: I think Christian, is that there will be a lot 100 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: of pressure on both the Israeli government and a mass 101 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: from Donald Trump as the new president. It would be 102 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: very much in Trump's interest to keep this piece going 103 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: and to ensure that each phase of these negotiations continues 104 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: to progress and deliver ultimately at permanent peace. Trump does 105 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: not want to see a resumption of hostilities under his watch. 106 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: Coming up. What this moment means for Australia. There are 107 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: more than fourteen thousand kilometers between Canberra and the Gaza Strip, 108 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: but yet Australia's capital and the whole nation has felt 109 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: the effects of the conflict in the Middle East. Keenly yes, 110 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: through fifteen months of fighting, an anti Semitism crisis has 111 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: fested in the streets and in the halls of Parliament. Locally, 112 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: political alliance is fractured. Globally, relationships deteriorated. Cam What are 113 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: the local implications do you think of a ceasefire agreement 114 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: between Israel and Tamas. 115 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: I think that it definitely has local ramifications here in Australia. 116 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen it really absolutely disgraceful increase of 117 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: anti Semitism over the past fifteen months. I think that 118 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: state governments, especially the state Labor government of Victoria and 119 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: the federal government have really been far too slow to 120 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: call it out, to stamp it out, and to really 121 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: take action to prevent it. That has, if you like, 122 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: encouraged ant Israeli protesters to embrace anti Semitism in all 123 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: forms now then outbreak of peace, let's hope it's permanent 124 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: peace in Gaza would certainly lead to a reduction in protests, 125 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: if not an end to the weekly protests from the 126 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 2: pro Palestinian groups, And you would hope it would reduce 127 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: the heat and the temperature of the debate here in Australia, 128 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: and that surely is going to lead to an improvement 129 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: in what we've seen as far as the terrible harassment 130 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: of Australian Jews. 131 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: There's a federal election due in May. Do you think 132 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: there'll be an attempt by either side to take this 133 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: conflict and the Middle East, perhaps more broadly off the 134 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: agenda before then. 135 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: I think the federal government certainly will be very gen 136 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: to get this off the agenda because the Albanese government 137 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: it's really been a loser on both counts as far 138 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: as the local electric goes, because it certainly has lost 139 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: a lot of Jewish voters who are very unhappy with 140 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: what they see is a weak fight against anti Semitism 141 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: from the Albanese government. But also a lot of Islamic 142 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: voters in those western Sydney seats are annoyed with what 143 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: they believe is a to pro israel A position from 144 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: the Albanesi government. So I think the whole conflict in 145 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: the Middle East has been a loser for the Arbenese government. 146 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: I think electorally they would love to see a cease 147 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: fire now so that the issue at least recedes in 148 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: the minds of many voters, such that it won't be 149 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: as much of a turning point or a voting issue 150 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: when the election is actually held vatter this year. But 151 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: also I think it'll be interesting to see whether during 152 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: the election campaign the opposition leader Peter Dutton continues to 153 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: push these issues about the government's handling of the Israeli 154 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: conflict and of course, it's handling about his Semitism in Australia. 155 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: I think Dutton certainly sees this as a winner for 156 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: the Conservatives, and I suspect he will try to keep 157 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: the issue alive in the public mind at the same 158 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: time as the Labor government will be trying to reduce 159 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: the memory of Australians about this issue. 160 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is The Australian's chief international correspondent. This situation 161 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: is moving quickly. For all the latest visit the Australian 162 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: dot com Dot you thanks for joining us on the 163 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: front this week. Our team is Claire Harvey, Jasper leik 164 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Leotsa mcglou Josh Burton, Tiffany Dimac, Stephanie Coombs, Stella McKenna 165 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: and me christinam Yet