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Speaker 1: And Tiffany and Cook who's not a doctor, but you

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Speaker 2: I could not WITHHD no way.

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Speaker 1: What would you like to be a doctor of? What

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Speaker 1: about a doctor of punching people in the face? You

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Speaker 2: Let me be a doctor of that.

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Speaker 3: Well there you go. I'm sure there's a degree awarded

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Speaker 1: Well, she's a boxer, so you and I don't want

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Speaker 3: Know what, but respect much respect absolutely, Now I know

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Speaker 3: why you're captain lying Craig. This makes sense, doctor Craig,

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Speaker 3: Doctor Harper.

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Speaker 1: Excuse well, no, not really. I'm actually about three months away,

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Speaker 1: so you can hopefully call me that in three months.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just stumbling towards submission. Hey, thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show. How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm wonderful, Thanks so much for having me. I am Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm super excited to be here. Well, you are a

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Speaker 3: lot of stress. Got a lot of stress in my

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Speaker 1: I've heard about It's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: It's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm here to help.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, good good, I always need help. I am

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Speaker 3: in Greenville, South Carolina, us.

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Speaker 1: Of A Yeah, perfect. What time is it there? So

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Speaker 1: me read something off a screen which will bore people

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, grew up in a really small town of St.

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Speaker 3: a master's degree in evolution human behavior. And then I

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Speaker 3: to help people transform their stress to serve them. And

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Using stress to serve them is

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Speaker 1: not something that most people think about, right. Most people

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I mean I like

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Speaker 1: else that just reignites the stress. Right on every Tuesday

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Speaker 1: at three o'clock, they get stressed and then they're worse

433
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Speaker 1: for three days. By the way, I'm not saying talk

434
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Speaker 1: therapy is bad. I'm saying it's not perfect for everyone.

435
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Speaker 2: Right.

436
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Speaker 1: Somebody does a job where they work up, they rock

437
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: up nine to five, they sit in their cubicle, they

438
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Speaker 1: have lunch with Dan every day, and they fucking love it.

439
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Speaker 1: Because it's a pretty good job and pretty good pay

440
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: and pretty good security. If I had to do that job,

441
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 1: no disrespect to anyone, I'd hate my life, right yep.

442
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Speaker 1: So it's not like, oh, you're rest here's the three

443
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Speaker 1: step plan or here's that deal. Like I think with

444
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: all of the you know, it's nuanced. There are so

445
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Speaker 1: many variables and factors. It's trying to understand that, like

446
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: with any variable that affects a human, you know that

447
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, there's three ways to get out

448
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: of this predicament, or there's two steps to create in

449
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: a piece or the absence of anxiety or not that

450
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: we want that well kind of, but so like people

451
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: have got to figure it out personally as well.

452
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, thank you for saying that, because I think

453
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Speaker 3: for so long it's that sweet spot that you're talking

454
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Speaker 3: about that people are trying to figure out how do

455
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Speaker 3: I hit the sweet spot? Well, what's too much stress

456
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 3: for some person is going to be too little for

457
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Speaker 3: somebody else, And so instead of trying to find this

458
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Speaker 3: like perfect sweet spot for everybody, Yeah don't. It's not

459
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Speaker 3: a formula. It is a mindset shift it and that

460
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Speaker 3: can be individualized, that can work for you as in

461
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: individual with all of your unique traits and abilities. It's

462
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 3: about thinking differently. And so like one of those studies

463
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Speaker 3: that I found most fascinating in this work is looking

464
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Speaker 3: at a cross section of about thirty thousand people for

465
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Speaker 3: eight years, thirty thousand people for eight years, and looking

466
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Speaker 3: at their different levels of stress. And the most important

467
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: question they asked was do you believe that stress is

468
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Speaker 3: bad for your health? And the people who had very

469
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Speaker 3: high levels of stress who believed that stress was bad

470
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Speaker 3: for their health had a exorbitantly high mortality rate, like

471
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Speaker 3: forty three percent increase in mortality rate. But the people

472
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Speaker 3: who had very high levels of stress who didn't believe

473
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Speaker 3: that stress was bad for their health had the lowest

474
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Speaker 3: mortality rate of the entire study, so lower than the

475
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Speaker 3: people who reported very little stress in their life. So

476
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Speaker 3: what that means, right, It's not about the stress. It's

477
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Speaker 3: not about your perceived amount of stress in your life.

478
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Speaker 3: It's about your mindset around what that stress means.

479
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: Is it good? Is it bad?

480
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Speaker 3: Is it energy? Is it? And so you know, one

481
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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty two people and I study died not

482
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Speaker 3: because of stress, but because of what they believed about stress,

483
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Speaker 3: and that to me is so powerful.

484
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Speaker 1: Now you've opened the door, right right, But no, I

485
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: just think that you know, understanding that our body can't

486
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Speaker 1: tell the difference between what is real and what we

487
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Speaker 1: believe is real. You know, So that if I think,

488
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Speaker 1: and I've said this too many times, if i think

489
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Speaker 1: that I'm in danger right now, even if I'm completely safe,

490
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: like the reality totally safe, the thought and the belief

491
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Speaker 1: and the physiological response is all aligned with me being

492
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Speaker 1: in imminent danger. So now all the you know, art right, breathing,

493
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: nervous system, everything's going nuts, blood pressure, and now I'm

494
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Speaker 1: elevated in this state. Now, if I'm a person who

495
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Speaker 1: does that five to ten times a day, which is

496
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Speaker 1: lots of people I speak to, I'm just putting my

497
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Speaker 1: body in this not very good position or state multiple

498
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Speaker 1: times a day with my own mind, my own thoughts,

499
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Speaker 1: my own beliefs, my own stories.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

501
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Speaker 1: So, so, doctor, how do we begin to unravel that shit?

502
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: Answered that?

503
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, okay, Well let's go back to what you

504
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: do for a living. This is really interesting because you

505
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 3: put people under tremendous stress. You are stressing their bodies.

506
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: Their heart rate is increasing, they're sweating, their mouth is

507
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: drying up, they're having a full on stress response when

508
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: they work out. So why the hell is that good?

509
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Speaker 3: M Yeah, because they think it's good the story. Yeah,

510
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: it's the story that they tell. So like that stress

511
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: is good and getting stuck in traffic is bad. Yeah,

512
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: what's the difference? The only difference in the stress that

513
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: you're experience is is that story that you're telling. And

514
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: so this is this is so much power powerful than

515
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: people recognize. Like there's so many stories around mindset and

516
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: and the power of the placebo or the no cibo effect.

517
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: And I really wish people would pay more attention to

518
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: this because it's all within your reach, within your grasp,

519
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: within your power. You don't get to control the stressors

520
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: or the outcomes, but you have every control about how

521
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: you move through them. You have every point of control

522
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: of how you let them affect you.

523
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. What's the name of that professor from Harvard that

524
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Speaker 1: we've had on Jeffrey? Professor Jeffrey Jeffrey ready to go. Yeah,

525
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: he's a gun. He works in this space. We've had

526
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: him on two or three times, probably not for a

527
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Speaker 1: year or.

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00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: So, but yeah, do you talk about the housekeeper study. Paton,

529
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Speaker 3: did you tell you about the housekeeper study? No, tell us,

530
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: go oh, this is one of my favorites. All right,

531
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Speaker 3: So two groups of housekeepers split to two different conditions.

532
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Speaker 3: The first condition is told.

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Speaker 1: I can kill us.

534
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, second condition is simply told that they're meeting the

535
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: Surgeon General's requirement for exercise when they're cleaning. That's it.

536
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: That's the only difference. They all measure the like the

537
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: heart rate, how hard they work, they measure their diets.

538
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: Everything's kept the same. And after four weeks time four weeks,

539
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: they found a significant difference in their body fat, their

540
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: waists of hip ratio, their weight. Like the people that

541
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 3: simply were told that they were meeting the surgeon General's

542
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: requirement had this lower body fat, lower wayte hip ratio,

543
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: lower body mass index. All of these measures decrease and

544
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: they can't change anything but their belief. Yeah, and again

545
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: like this is the kind of stuff I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the that's the ship that lots my far.

547
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm with you. We could bang on about this, well,

548
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: the Milkshyke study, I'm sure you know about it.

549
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great one.

550
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Speaker 1: There's another we want to talk about it. Again because

551
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Speaker 1: we've banged on about that. There's another one that I

552
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: can't remember which university, But they got all these dudes.

553
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I think it was all guys. It wasn't a massive study.

554
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know, twenty four people twelve

555
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: and twelve and they had twelve guys that they I'm

556
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: getting the numbers wrong a little bit, but anyway, they

557
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: put them on a strength training program. It's over eight weeks,

558
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: and then then they put yeah, yeah, well then they

559
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: put then they put the one of the groups on

560
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: nudge nudge, wink wink, anabolic steroids, which they didn't really

561
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: but they told them they were, and they made these

562
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: phenomenal gains compared to the first block where they thought

563
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: they were undrugged with a natural It's like.

564
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Speaker 3: If we multivitamins, I don't know if they work, but

565
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 3: in my head they're working. I'm telling you right now,

566
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep taking them.

567
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's talk about your book. So

568
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: it's called Springboard Transform Stress to Work for you. Give

569
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: us Yeah, I can sider in the background and it's beautiful. Head. Fine,

570
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: give us a little bit of a snapshot of the book,

571
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: and like, what are the k ideas and themes.

572
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: Sure.

573
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: Sure, So the idea of the book is exactly what

574
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: we've been talking about today, that stress is religious energy.

575
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: And I think for so long the health and wellness

576
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: space has gotten this really backwards, telling people that have

577
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: to get rid of stress, and we're fighting these fights

578
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: against stress and anxiety and fear, and then we feel

579
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: more broken because we can't get rid of it. Yeah,

580
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: and instead of trying to get rid of it, I'm

581
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: trying to say, it's yours to use. So here's how

582
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: you harness it. First of all, you recognize that it's

583
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: not a tiger. Second of all, you invite that tiger

584
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: that stress are in for a cup of tea. You

585
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: get curious because curiosity and fear can't coexist. So when

586
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: we're curious, we begin to transfer this energy into excitement,

587
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 3: into adventure, into something that we can use. And then

588
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: the third step is trajectory. Where do we point that?

589
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: Where do we point now that we have all of

590
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: our sort of butterflies and alignment, where do we point

591
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: all of that stress energy to serve us in the

592
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: best way. And it turns out, if you really want

593
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: to mitigate your stress, all of the things that we're

594
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: told to do, like meditation and massage and one to

595
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: one coaching. All of that it doesn't work. The only

596
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: intervention that actually works to help mitigate stress is service

597
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: to others. So when we serve other people, we actually

598
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: relieve our own stress, which is pretty powerful. So the

599
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: snapshot of the book is a way to utilize your

600
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: stress energy in a way that begins to both serve

601
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: you other people and help you through both personal and

602
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: professional stressors.

603
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Is this your first book?

604
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: It's my second book. It's my favorite. Don't tell the

605
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: first book, but it's definitely my favorite book. Oh, it's definitely.

606
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I would not dream of it. I would not blame

607
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, so do you have so for people

608
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: who are listening to this thinking like this makes sense,

609
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: I like the stories, I like the I just don't

610
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: know where to start though, And I know there's no

611
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: as we already identified, there's no three step plan, there's

612
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: no universally appropriate or effective protocol. But for people who

613
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: are you know, long time I was going to say suffers,

614
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: wrong word, but been dealing with stress and anxiety and

615
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: not in a healthy way for a long time. Any idea,

616
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: any suggestions for them? Rebecca.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's where I start. Set a three minute timer

618
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: and instead of trying to avoid the stressor invaded in,

619
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: so for three minutes, I want you to stress out

620
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: of your gourd. Maybe it's like doing push ups. Maybe

621
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: it's punching something. Maybe it's journaling and catastrophizing it in

622
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: and going this is you know, I have a phone

623
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: call come in during this podcast. A now that everybody's

624
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: gonna hate me, the podcast is gonna bump. I'll never

625
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: get invaded again, I'll never speak again. My husband's going

626
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: to divorce me, and I'm going to die in a

627
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 3: ditch like that. That's what we do. We get tastrifize, right,

628
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: So allow yourself to go there, set that timer for

629
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: three minutes. What that does is going to move you

630
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 3: through that first three minutes of screaming terror that we

631
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: engage with in our stress. And then when the timer dings,

632
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: take a deep breath. You not trying to calm down,

633
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: but I want you to ask yourself a series of questions.

634
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: This is where curiosity comes in. How can I grow

635
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: from this? What will I learn from this? What's the

636
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: best case scenario? What if it works out? And this

637
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: series of questions is meant to transfer you to a

638
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: space where this becomes an adventure. How do I begin

639
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: to choose adventure? And the third piece I'll ask anybody

640
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: to do it. And this again, this whole protocol takes

641
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: under five minutes. Is to sit straight, put a smile

642
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: on your face, maybe like punch a little like, get

643
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: a little confident about it, get a little cocky in

644
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: the moment. Because what your body does is it's feeding

645
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: your brain, and your brain is looking to your body

646
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: to try and understand the signals that are happening. When

647
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 3: we get scared, when we get anxious, we're like, we

648
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: just like get really protected, and we put a frown

649
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: on our face and we're not smiling because we're happy, y'all.

650
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: We're happy because we smile. Our brain is getting feedback

651
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: from our body to understand the signals that are happening.

652
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: And so when we throw our shoulders back, we put

653
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 3: a smile on our face and we're like, in this moment,

654
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: going how can this work out? What will I learn?

655
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: How will I grow? Our brain is getting the signal

656
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: that we're acting as if this is an adventure, and

657
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: as a result, it becomes more of an adventure rather

658
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: than an ordeal, and we start running towards the thing

659
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: that is going to bring us our most meaning and

660
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: purpose in our life, which is actually our stress.

661
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah is lava? Thank you? That's great?

662
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 3: Yeah?

663
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: Sure is so what we call maybe distress and you stress,

664
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, good stuff and bad stuff, like what we

665
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: would go exercise is a good form of stress because

666
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: we're doing a hard thing to create a good outcome,

667
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: and we all know that. And then the other kind

668
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: of distress where I'm feeling terrified and uncomfortable in a

669
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: bad way, and all of that is what's happening physiologically

670
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: in the body and biochemically, is it the same, the

671
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: same chemicals being produced in u stress versus distress.

672
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: Almost. Yeah, So depend upon where you're looking at in

673
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: the stress response. First of all, I want to say, Craig, please,

674
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 3: all of your listeners throw out you stress and distress.

675
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: Just throw it out. Stop legling your stress good and bad.

676
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: It just is stress. Stop it all. Stress can be

677
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: you stress. That's why I.

678
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: Feel rebuked, Tiff. I feel like I've been reprimanded.

679
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: Do you feel stressed, Craig, I yeah, I'm so stressed.

680
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to go and eight cake.

681
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: When we do tell ourselves, and this is early on

682
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: in the stress response, if it's a typical distress, like

683
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: something bad is coming, and we tell ourselves that this

684
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: is my body preparing me to rise to the challenge,

685
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 3: it actually changes our physiology. Instead of constricting our blood vessels,

686
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: it actually opens them. So that's a major shift in

687
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: the way our body responds to what could be a

688
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: bad stressor right. So the more we can get out

689
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: of these labels and just say this is a signal

690
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: that my body is about to rise to a challenge, yeah,

691
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: then stress becomes just a competitive advantage. Honestly, it becomes

692
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: a competitive advantage.

693
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm always talking to people about biofeedeback

694
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: the fact that their body is teaching them and telling

695
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: them or trying to teach them and tell them, and hey,

696
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: there's this thing that's going on. You know. It's like

697
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm gaining weight or I'm losing weight, or I just

698
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: went to the toilet and my wheeze like orange. Maybe

699
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: I should hydrate, or you know, I could go much worse,

700
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: but I feel like I won't for you, you know,

701
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: or I'm not sleeping or you know whatever, and we're

702
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. I'm always pleading with people to

703
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: try to figure out one what their body is telling

704
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: them too, to pay attention, and three to educate yourself

705
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: on your body, because even though there's a lot of

706
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, similarity and commonality, the truth is that unless

707
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: you're an identical twin, your physiology is unique. Right, So

708
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: what will work for one person, you know, and not

709
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: only what will work for one won't work for the other.

710
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: What might be great eight for one could be fucking

711
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: catastrophic for someone else. And even back I think about

712
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: I was giving a talk recently and I was we're

713
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: talking about this, and I said, also, what will work

714
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: for you when you're twenty might be a major problem

715
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: when you're forty. You know, When I was a kid,

716
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: I grew up in the country drinking milk by the gallon.

717
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: Apart from the fat that I was fat, fact that

718
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: I was a fat kid, which probably wasn't a great outcome,

719
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: but I could drink all the milk I want. Now,

720
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: if I drink this much milk, I'm gagging like a

721
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: cat with a fur ball because I'm not producing as

722
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: much lactase as I did thirty years ago, right, So

723
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: what will work for you you know now might not

724
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: work for you on a emotionally, socially, mentally, physiologically. So

725
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: our body is always evolving, but it's always teaching us.

726
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, it's so graig. I can't. I can't love

727
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: that comment more. And we have been culturally inductrinated ignore

728
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: our bodies. Right, It's like, well, it's lunchtime, so I

729
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: better eat well, are you hungry? Are you hungry? And

730
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: one of the things that I learned early on is

731
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: your taste buds are always going to lie to you.

732
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 3: Your stomach won't, but your taste buds will. And so

733
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: it's learning to listen to different parts of your body too,

734
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: because my taste buds will always tell me that crispy

735
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: kremes glazed donuts all day, every day are the thing

736
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: that I want to eat. And the second I gets

737
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 3: past my taste buds, my stomach is like, oh why

738
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: do you do that to me? That?

739
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Oh why?

740
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: So just having an awareness of different parts of your body,

741
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: checking in with yourself, and this is key because we

742
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: just talked about pushing beyond our limits as well, so

743
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: it is not just in the moment because in the moment,

744
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 3: this is going to be uncomfortable and I'm gonna go.

745
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to it doesn't feel good. Yeah, okay,

746
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: what does it feel like an hour from now? Yes,

747
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: Because to your point, like I was an athlete growing up,

748
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: and I used to go out and run, like in

749
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 3: the middle of the heat of the day. It's ninety

750
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: degrees out there right now. If I went out there

751
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: right now and I ran, I would die literally, like

752
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 3: it's not it's not okay for me anymore. And having

753
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: those discomfort, that discomfort is important to an extent, and

754
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: you need to measure it in the moment, in the

755
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: moment after, in the day after, and then see as

756
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 3: an individual, what is that level that I can push

757
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit more, a little bit more,

758
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: a little bit more without it being a negative feedback.

759
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: And that's that's really important, and it's very individual.

760
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: Now tif you've opened the bio feedback door and the

761
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: learning from your body. What's your look at that face?

762
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: What's your blood sugar right now? Will explain to Rebecca

763
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: in a moment, But what's your blood sugar at the moment?

764
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: Three point seven? And last night is the worst night

765
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: I have had it dipped in to what looks like

766
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: probably two.

767
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: Wow. Dude, dude, oh.

768
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: Are you even functional? Good God, woman, are you fascy?

769
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: No, I'm eating more than ever eat before bed the

770
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: last since I've had this, I'm eating before bed. I'm

771
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: trying to stabilize it. How interesting not having any wins.

772
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: The other day we did a podcast, so she's trying

773
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: to figure out her blood sugar. And by the way,

774
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: if you ever round Tiff when she's hungry, don't be

775
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: around Tiff when she's hungry. Like, if Tip's hungry, goes

776
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: somewhere else, that's not it.

777
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: I get hungry, but I don't punch like Tiff.

778
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, no, she's she's I don't know what's

779
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: one level above hungry, but she is that. So not

780
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: to hijack Rebecca's spotlight, Tiff, but how do you feel

781
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: right now?

782
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: This is an interesting conversation because I don't aside from

783
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: obviously fatigue and crashing and shitty energy, which I've always had,

784
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: I would assume this is a long term thing which

785
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: is getting enhanced by perimenopause and hormone shifts. But the

786
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: since having that awareness, I'm now grappling with the my Yeah,

787
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: my knowledge of what's going on is called utress.

788
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: Yes, this is huge because I have a you know,

789
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: I have a tracking device, and sometimes I'm like I

790
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: wake up and I'm like, oh, I feel great, I

791
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: slept greed, and then I look at my device and

792
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I slept for shit, and then immediately

793
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: I feel terrible. Yeah, so this is an interesting like

794
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: I I would love to do it, like to play

795
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: a little, and I don't want to compromise your health

796
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: at all, but it'd be really interesting for people one

797
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: who is tracking to just keep tracking like how they

798
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: actually feel, and then go back and look at the

799
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: data and see how well it matches. Because I think

800
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: so often now because we have the ability to measure everything,

801
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: we're like, wow, I feel like garbage. Oh that's why this,

802
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: This is why I feel like garbage. And yeah, and

803
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: we let that drive it rather than the reverse, if

804
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: that makes sense.

805
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

806
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: I reckon tracking is good to a point and then

807
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: it's bad. But it's free, like your bunch of gris

808
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: three that it was too love you.

809
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: Got that checked. That's that's scary, that's scary.

810
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many times a day do you eight tif

811
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: do you reckon at the.

812
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: Minute hundred all the time, all the time. You don't

813
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: want to pass you like a little worths right now,

814
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: like just suck on some hard candy or something.

815
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: About My suspicion is for the for the level of

816
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: intensity that I've always trained when I'm competing and even

817
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: when I'm not, I think that looking now, I would

818
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: be too low cap. I'm like, I'm not deliberately low cab,

819
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: but I assume for how much in the intensity I

820
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: train that's been going on for a while.

821
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably the case. Yeah, it's amazing how much

822
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: our nutrition affects. Oh my gosh, there's so there's so

823
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: many factors. And of course the soon to be doctor Harper,

824
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 3: you know in physiology, like you change one little shift

825
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: in hormones and everything changes. So it is, and we

826
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: don't coming back to Youtipe, we do not study women enough,

827
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 3: and especially women athletes, especially perry metopause. Like there's so

828
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: many factors there that like a small tweak in diet,

829
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 3: in hormones and anything, and it's like who knows, who

830
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: knows what it is at this point, it could be anything.

831
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: And that's both the joy and the absolute extreme frustration

832
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: of physiology is like yep, yep, Like my body doesn't

833
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: process alcohol. How dumb is that? Missing an enzyme that

834
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: like breaks up a cheap date? But like it took

835
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: me years to figure that out. I'm like, how are

836
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: people doing this or just sucking back guinness? And I'm like,

837
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: I'm dying over here. So like just learning those little

838
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: things about your unique body. Who knows what it is

839
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 3: with your with your blood sugar?

840
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't.

841
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: It's an insulin strange it as. I don't know who knows?

842
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: So what's the plan, Tiff, Well, this is the thing.

843
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: I don't know who to Like, I'm trying to figure

844
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: out what type of person with what knowledge I want

845
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: to go to. Like I want someone that deals with athletes.

846
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: I want someone that understands my background, but also that

847
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: understands hormones at this time of my life. So I'm

848
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: trying to do a lot of research before I go

849
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: and turn to you know, I don't rock up to

850
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: the LGP that knows nothing. It's a lot, yeah, a lot, Yeah,

851
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: it's a lot.

852
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: I think what's good is you're tracking everything and you

853
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: are building more understanding about how your body responds to

854
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: different things as you go.

855
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and eye because you have to let

856
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: go of stories or things that like high intensity training

857
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: has been my thing for so long and now I'm

858
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: just strength training and it's really uncomfortable to do that.

859
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: And it's really uncomfortable to eat a bowl of fucking

860
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: oats before bed.

861
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is not what we do.

862
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: But I'm looking at my blunk sugar, going, well, this

863
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: is now what we do. Just for now.

864
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: You need to heal some shit.

865
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: You need to try to heal some shit. Yeah.

866
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: I just need some dark chocolate on the bedside table

867
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: and just wake up on the hour. I just have

868
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: a little square and back to sleep. You know.

869
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: I really hope you go see endocronologist and I want

870
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: to know the end of the story. I feel like

871
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: I'm hanging on their edge now, like this is this

872
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: is a cliffhanger that I need some follow up on.

873
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: I need some closure on test.

874
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: This is interesting, all right, stay tuned, all right now.

875
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: The book is called Springboard Transformed Stress to Work for you,

876
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: Doctor Rebecca High, Did I pronounce heist correctly?

877
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? You nailed it. Like nace or lace or mice

878
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: or whatever association you like.

879
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: That let's not go with lice. Doctor Rebecca Height, PhD.

880
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: Not lie. Don't confused that the book is out. Now

881
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: go and get yourself thirteen copies, twenty seven copies. Well

882
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: say goodbye off air, but Rebecca, we're going to get

883
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: you back, even if you don't want to, We're going

884
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: to get you back. Nice debut on the U Project.

885
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: What a pleasure.

886
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: We're quite fond of you. You're quite good at that.

887
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We appreciate you.

888
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: Gosh, I appreciate the two of you. This was This

889
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 3: was truly a ton of fun. And I'm really serious.

890
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: I want to know the end of the story. Thank you,

891
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: thank you. This has been a gift.