1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christinaming it. 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: It's Friday, December twenty. Members of Victoria's Liberal Party will 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: decide today if ousted MP Moi Redeeming should be readmitted 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: after she successfully sued party leader John Pursuto for defamation. 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: It comes after a federal court judge ruled he's liable 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: for Moi Redeeming's hefty legal costs. A ninth person has 7 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: accused Olympic pole vault coach Alex Parnov of grooming and 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: sexually assaulting her as a teenager. Tara Neville says she 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: later took on a role as Parnov's assistant coach, hoping 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: she could protect the other young female athletes in his squad. 11 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen says the coalition's nuclear ambitions 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: will cripple Australia's solar grid and force big industries out 13 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: of the country. You can read those exclusive stories right 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: now at the Australian dot com dot au. The government 15 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: is plotting a revolution in early childhood education, and our 16 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: education editor thinks the PM has more up his sleeve 17 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: for families struggling under a cost of Living Crisis. That's 18 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: today's episode. If you're a little kid in Australia, this 19 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: is one of the most exciting times of the year. 20 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: The days are long and warm, perfect for playing outside 21 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: before dinner. The anticipation of summer holidays and Santa's arrival 22 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: is electric, and the new year brings the promise and 23 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: excitement of a new grade or even the jump to 24 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: big school. All across the country, parents are packing up 25 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: gifts and trinkets for the teachers and early childhood educators 26 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: who've shepherded their kids through another big year. Some are 27 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: topped with lovingly crafted cards made by the kids themselves. 28 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: It is just one of the most heart warming jobs 29 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: you can do. 30 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: Natasha Beta is the Australian's Education editor. 31 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 3: And the children react so beautifully. 32 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of early childhood educators are having 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: a very heartwarming time getting all their cards and notes 34 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: from little kids at this time of the year. But 35 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: it's something where we need to encourage more people to 36 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: go into it and see it as a really valued 37 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: career because it's not babysitting at all. 38 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: Earlier this year, the government announced early childhood educators would 39 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: be getting a pay rise they're the people who look 40 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: after kids in daycare centers before they reach school age, 41 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: and they're one of the lowest paid workforces in the country. 42 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister and his ministers were armed with three 43 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: point six billion to fund a bumper pay rise, so. 44 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: That will give them about one hundred and fifty dollars 45 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: a week extra income. That is important because the problem 46 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: the sector has had is it's been competing against the 47 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: fast food sector or the retail sector. And even though 48 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: early childhood education is such an important and can be 49 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: a very rewarding job, it is also an exhausting job. 50 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: You cannot switch off. 51 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: You can't wander off and have a cup of tea 52 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: and turn your back because the moment you do, something 53 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: might go wrong. That is the problem is that early 54 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: childhood education is only good for children if it is 55 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: of high quality. 56 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: Now high quality doesn't. 57 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: Mean oh, look at the beautiful facilities and the fun 58 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: playground and they do yoga classes. 59 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: That is not quality early childhood education. 60 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: The quality comes down to the caliber of the people 61 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: who are caring for children. You've got to be switched 62 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: on the whole time, so that we really do need 63 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: to get more people into this sector. And too many 64 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: of them are leaving because there is this so burnt 65 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: out and exhausted that don't feel appreciated. 66 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: And they can't afford it with the cost of living. 67 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: It's a vicious cycle where they just can't afford to 68 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: be looking after other people's children when they can't afford 69 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: to pay their own rent. 70 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Last week, Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi unveiled the next phase 71 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: of Labour's vision for early childhood education at a rally 72 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: style event in Brisbane. 73 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 4: Making child care more affordable is good for families, that's 74 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 4: good for the economy. For all of us know there's 75 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: more to it. There are more than one million reasons 76 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 4: to invest in early education, some of whom are here 77 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: with us here today, one of them riding a dinosaur 78 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: down there. Because early education makes the biggest difference for 79 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 4: at littlest Australians. 80 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: The government will scrap an activity test that requires parents 81 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: and careers to work or study if they they want 82 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: to access childcare benefits. It'll also give families earning a 83 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: combined annual income of less than five hundred and thirty 84 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: thousand dollars access to three days per week of government 85 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: subsidized childcare if it wins the next election, and then 86 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: there are the plans to build one hundred and sixty 87 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: childcare centers around the country. 88 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: Look, I think it's transformational because for the first time, 89 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: it puts the children at the center of policymaking. Childcare 90 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: is no longer a convenience for working parents. It is 91 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: a service for children and that's quite different to the 92 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: way it's been treated for the past few decades. And 93 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: I think it will be very beneficial to children. 94 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: Experts agree that the first five years of a child's 95 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: life are vitally important to their mental, physical and emotional development. 96 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: And while early childhood education isn't just about giving kids 97 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: the jump on their ABC's education, Minister Jason says it 98 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: puts little kids in the best possible stead for the future. 99 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 5: Really, it's about making sure that every child in Australia 100 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 5: gets the best possible start in life. We know that 101 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 5: if child goes to early education, then they're more likely 102 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 5: to start school ready to learn. We also know that 103 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 5: they're more likely to end up finishing high school. So 104 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 5: this is about making sure that we build a better 105 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: and a fair early education system. 106 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: Look, I've heard from teachers saying that they get children 107 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: arriving at school at the age of four or five 108 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: who are still not toilet trained, let alone. 109 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: Some children have never seen a book. They don't even 110 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: know which way to hold it. They'll hold it upside down. 111 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: So there are always children who come from homes where 112 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: they don't have educated parents, or they don't have books. 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: There might be very grinding poverty, there might be drug 114 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 2: or alcohol abuse. For whatever reason, they are behind. So 115 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: the evidence is there that they're all starting school at 116 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: different levels. And children who've attend preschool in particular old KINDI, 117 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: depending which state of charactery you around the year before school, 118 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: have a great advantage over kids who have never learned 119 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: to cooperate or to sit still in class, to listen, 120 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: to take their turn. That's where you get a lot 121 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: of behavioral problems as well. 122 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: Coming up why Labour's early learning overhaul has been a 123 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: long time coming. In the run up to the two 124 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: thousand and seven federal election, former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd 125 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: pledged to build two hundred and sixty childcare centers across Australia. 126 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: It would, he said, and the nightmareish double drop off 127 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: for parents, referring to the daily game of tetris some 128 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: parents play when ferrying kids of different ages to school 129 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: and daycare, which can be kilometers or even suburbs apart. 130 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 6: What do we mean by an education revolution? A half 131 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 6: billion dollar investment in early childhood education to enable all 132 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 6: four year olds across this country for fifteen hours a 133 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 6: week for forty weeks a year to be exposed to 134 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 6: preliteracy and pre numerous education before they hit the school system. 135 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 6: A great Labour initiative. 136 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: But by the middle of Rudd's term as PM the 137 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: plan had been unceremoniously dumped. Now the rud Era Infrastructure 138 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: Plan has been partially revived by Labor as part of 139 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: its multi billion dollar early childhood education overhaul. 140 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: This is the. 141 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: Single biggest investment by an Australian government ever in new 142 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 4: child care services, starting with building or expanding over one 143 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty early education and care centers where they 144 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: need most. 145 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: So is it the right move? Here's Natasha Beta look. 146 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: I think the only option is to start building centers 147 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: in areas where the private sector doesn't see it as 148 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: profitable or the not for profit sector can't afford it. 149 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: Seventeen years ago, it was promised if they had done it, 150 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: then we wouldn't be having to do it now. It 151 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 2: seems very expensive a billion dollars, so I worked out 152 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: that six point two million dollars per center. To me, 153 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: the most sensible thing would be for state and territory 154 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: governments to build childcare centers on school grounds, and I 155 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: know that some states they are already integrating them when 156 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: they build a new school. A lot of private schools 157 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: are doing this because it's very profitable for them, because 158 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: parents think it's great one drop off. So it's a 159 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: pity it was never done all that time ago. Probably 160 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: would have been a lot cheaper than trying to do 161 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: it now. But we can't have these childcare deserts where 162 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: children in certain areas just don't even have a choice, 163 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 2: or the waiting lists for so long that they can 164 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: never attend. 165 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: Natasha says. The Albanese government solution isn't perfect, but it's 166 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: been a long time coming and if they play it right, 167 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: it could make a world of difference for the party 168 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: in the run up to the next election. 169 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: Childcare policy is a complete mess in this country because 170 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: it's driven by a private sector and they all want 171 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: to build in particular areas where they think they can 172 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: charge the most money. You end up with gluts in 173 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: certain areas and then other areas there's no childcare center provided. 174 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: So it's a pity. 175 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: It was never part of a government system in the 176 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: first place, and it's just had all these changes tacked 177 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: onto it as time goes by, so it's an incredibly 178 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: confusing system for parents. I predict that the government will 179 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: be making more announcements during the election campaign proper because 180 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: the Productivity Commission had recommended that every child get free 181 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 2: childcare if they're parents of the family earns less than 182 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars a year. I was surprised that the 183 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: Prime Minister did not announce this, but I'd say they're 184 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: keeping that up their sleeve because, as I said, if 185 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: you're trying to target the benefits of early childhood education 186 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: to very vulnerable and disadvantaged families, you must make it free. 187 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: Natasha Beta is The Australian's Education editor. You can read 188 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: all her reporting and analysis on the education sector right 189 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: now at the Australian dot com dot au. Thanks for 190 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: joining us on the front this week. Our team is 191 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: Claire Harvey, Jasper Leik, Leatsamaglue, Tiffany Dimak, Josh Burton, Stephanie 192 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: Coombs and me Kristin Amiot