Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Today Australia and welcome to the magnificent Port Headland. Perth
Speaker 2: is about sixteen hundred k's that way. Broom is about
Speaker 2: six hundred k's up the road in Darwin is a
Speaker 2: day's drive from where we are. We are here for
Speaker 2: the Bush Summit. This has been a wonderful event that
Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper Sky News have been working on all
Speaker 2: over the past couple of weeks and it's gone all
Speaker 2: the way from Townsville to where we are tonight.
Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to everything that'll be here tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You'll see it live during the day on air on
Speaker 2: Sky News. The wonderful Gina Reinhart will be here delivering
Speaker 2: a major speech.
Speaker 3: Of course, the Pilbro is absolutely.
Speaker 2: Central to the series of people that are employed here.
Speaker 2: The horizons, they are magical, the size of everything and
Speaker 2: if you've ever had like a toy train set, to
Speaker 2: see a train that goes kilometer after kilometer after kilometer.
Speaker 3: After kilometer amazing.
Speaker 2: Missus Reinhart will be here law and I look forward
Speaker 2: to the honor of introducing her as well. If you
Speaker 2: have not been to Western Australia, and if you have
Speaker 2: not been a little further than Perth, you've got to
Speaker 2: come here because the sunsets, the sunsets alone are spectacular
Speaker 2: to see the Indian Ocean, to see the sun say
Speaker 2: bye bye, and not to be held up by any
Speaker 2: sort of buildings or anything else.
Speaker 3: It is gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Right now, we are coming from the Headland Hotel and
Speaker 2: I tell you what you know. I'm not a drinker,
Speaker 2: but it is the like a one backdrop. If ever,
Speaker 2: I was thinking about taking up the habit In the meantime,
Speaker 2: there's plenty to get to. This is a normal show tonight.
Speaker 2: Ourtown comes from Perth on Sunday. Okay, so thank you
Speaker 2: so much for watching wherever you happen to be now
Speaker 2: tonight on the show the Bush. Some of that took
Speaker 2: place today on the East Coast. Well, it had one
Speaker 2: hell of a hum dinger. You will have heard Andrew
Speaker 2: talk about this a bit earlier tonight, and that was
Speaker 2: the humdinger between Barnaby Joyce representing the people in regional Australia,
Speaker 2: who of course are the ones who have to have
Speaker 2: all of the renewable energy infrastructure, and Matt Keane, the
Speaker 2: bo from the cities, who of course believes they should
Speaker 2: have more windmills by the day. There's also something worth
Speaker 2: talking about that has come up in some of these
Speaker 2: bush summits. But it's really important for regional Australia and
Speaker 2: it's the road top. Now, anyone who lives in these
Speaker 2: parts of the world, well, you know you've got great
Speaker 2: distances the trip to the shops or the trip to
Speaker 2: the doctor. But sadly, I'm going to tell you some numbers.
Speaker 2: It is absolutely frightening about how many people lose their
Speaker 2: lives in on regional roads. So for God's sake, slow down,
Speaker 2: myself included, even when I go and go get stargazing
Speaker 2: later tonight, going as far as I possibly can, sigar
Speaker 2: in hand, and of course by this time tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris will.
Speaker 3: Have delivered a sort of an interview.
Speaker 2: Remember she's got an emotional support animal, and it'll be
Speaker 2: with a CNN reporter who hates Trump. But first, can
Speaker 2: I start with something good, something fun, something cool, something different,
Speaker 2: something that I guarantee that'll end up paying on the
Speaker 2: BBC or it'll be the funny bit at the end
Speaker 2: of an American newscast. It's like super Australian. You know
Speaker 2: how whenever you've been overseas or you've had family come
Speaker 2: back from overseas, they think that Australia is full of
Speaker 2: kangaroos and koalas and snakes and funnel webs, and they're everywhere,
Speaker 2: including in the suburbs. Well, that actually happened northern part
Speaker 2: of Melbourne. Kangaroo's bouncing around in the backyard and somebody
Speaker 2: was smart enough not just to get the great steel
Speaker 2: shot which makes it look like it's an inflatable kangaroo,
Speaker 2: but no, it was a real one bouncing over the fence.
Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
Speaker 2: Just a bit of super Australia to start us off
Speaker 2: this Thursday night.
Speaker 3: How good is that?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously that backyard's got a little bit of
Speaker 2: landscaping to do, but what a wonderful super Australian scene. Anyway,
Speaker 2: that'll go around the world and'll be good to see. Now, sadly,
Speaker 2: I have yet another update for you on the story
Speaker 2: we opened with last night, which is a disgrace. It's
Speaker 2: this baby that police are going to allege that somebody
Speaker 2: poured hot coffee onto the baby. They won't know till tomorrow.
Speaker 2: By the way just how permanent the scarring's going to be.
Speaker 2: But they've got a new image that they have released
Speaker 2: now the legal reasons they have to be absolute that
Speaker 2: what I am showing you is somebody police would like
Speaker 2: to speak to, not somebody who is assumed to be
Speaker 2: a suspect. But that is a new photo that was
Speaker 2: taken again from a myriad of CCTV. The reason I'm
Speaker 2: talking about this two nights in a row is this
Speaker 2: is the biggest story that I want solved between now
Speaker 2: and the next time that we're meet on Sunday. Put simply,
Speaker 2: the person responsible for this action, in my view, in
Speaker 2: my words, in my estimation, and I think you'd agree,
Speaker 2: that have to be close to Australia's most wanted, definitely
Speaker 2: Brisbane's most wanted. Police spoke about this again today. They
Speaker 2: are doing everything they can to find the person they
Speaker 2: believe responsible for that horrific crime.
Speaker 4: My lightest update is that the baby, luckily, unfortunate only
Speaker 4: and happily is doing okay, although in a great deal
Speaker 4: of pain, but he's still suffering from the burns. I
Speaker 4: understand members of the community being concerned about this. I'm
Speaker 4: a payer of myself I'm a family man, I'd be concerned.
Speaker 4: There's no guarantees in policing. What I can guarantee that
Speaker 4: I have a dedicate, dedicated team of detectors and specialist
Speaker 4: police currently working on this investigation is to hold this
Speaker 4: person to account and bring into justice.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Like everyone, my heart was just falling out of me
Speaker 2: when I saw the parents yesterday, and the parents talking
Speaker 2: about how their job was to be the protector of
Speaker 2: this little baby. Do not blame How could you possibly
Speaker 2: blame yourself? I'm I just want to reiterate that to friends, family,
Speaker 2: anyone who may well be anywhere near this family, strength
Speaker 2: and love you of course, did absolutely nothing wrong. We're
Speaker 2: also finding out here that the mother has spoken out
Speaker 2: as well todaying that obviously she wants this man to
Speaker 2: be caught, and one of the quotes from her is
Speaker 2: it was out of nowhere. I don't even know who
Speaker 2: he is, why this happened. I just want this man
Speaker 2: caught and charged. He's on the loose. And again, one
Speaker 2: more thing from the police about the man hunt.
Speaker 4: At this stage, we don't have a definite idea on
Speaker 4: that person, and I'll just clarify that we'd like to
Speaker 4: talk to that person in relation to his knowledge of
Speaker 4: what's actually happened on there. He is more of a
Speaker 4: person of interest in stage than anything.
Speaker 2: Meantime, in Canberra, the boss of the Commonwealth Bank was
Speaker 2: talking about the people who he knows because they've got
Speaker 2: the data literally from your credit cards, your debit cards,
Speaker 2: your home loans, all the rest of it, about the
Speaker 2: people who he knows are suffering the most at the
Speaker 2: moment when it comes to cost of living number one
Speaker 2: issue in the country. He's got the data and Matt
Speaker 2: Common said this today about the group who is hardest
Speaker 2: hit right.
Speaker 5: Now from a savings perspective. In the twenty five to
Speaker 5: thirty four year old age court its cohort, it's down
Speaker 5: set of eleven percent, which is basically double the rest
Speaker 5: of the cohort, even though do not have debt. You
Speaker 5: can see the impact of inflation and why it is
Speaker 5: critical to get inflation back into a normal range.
Speaker 2: Now we know that people are doing it tough, but
Speaker 2: the idea that of course people at the start of
Speaker 2: their working life or in that age range it might
Speaker 2: be when you're starting to get married, think about getting married,
Speaker 2: have a family, but certainly starting to build.
Speaker 3: A life it's always tough. It's the toughest because this is.
Speaker 2: The time when you're making the big investments that you
Speaker 2: will pay off for the rest of your life. But
Speaker 2: to know that they've got extra bricks in the backpack,
Speaker 2: many of which in my view, are exacerbated by the
Speaker 2: decisions of the federal government, is an absolute and abject disgrace.
Speaker 2: But also with all of this, too, we learned a
Speaker 2: little more about the reality here of not just cost
Speaker 2: of living, but also the impacts when it comes to
Speaker 2: the per capita recession. We know for the best part
Speaker 2: of what many many months that the country has really
Speaker 2: been going backwards. Those families, your families the ones most effective.
Speaker 2: And while Jim Chalmers might want to tap himself on
Speaker 2: the back, and I'm pleased to say my take on
Speaker 2: this last night seems to now be the prevailing view,
Speaker 2: which he.
Speaker 3: Is, that it's not even a sugar hit.
Speaker 2: It's literally hundreds of millions of dollars for them to,
Speaker 2: as I said, sort of wear a pair of high
Speaker 2: heels to pretend that they're taller. Remember, in the month
Speaker 2: zero point three, that's the only difference that was made,
Speaker 2: in major part because of those credits, which are put
Speaker 2: on energy, but as you know, it's only really twenty
Speaker 2: five dollars a month. No one actually notices it. It's
Speaker 2: all about trying to fiddle the numbers for when they
Speaker 2: eventually go to an election. But Dennis Shanahan wrote a
Speaker 2: very interesting piece today. I'm going to talk about it
Speaker 2: tonight with our panel, which is about when the election
Speaker 2: is going to be. You know, this guy's plugged in
Speaker 2: his prediction in a couple of moments time. But of course,
Speaker 2: shops and that inflation, that, of course, the cost of
Speaker 2: everything has caused huge trouble now. As you know, when
Speaker 2: it comes to the shops, be it your local mega
Speaker 2: mall or your local strip mall, or anyone who's trying
Speaker 2: to rent commercial premises, that has gone through the roof.
Speaker 2: The insurances have gone through the roof, the cost of
Speaker 2: employing people, it's gone.
Speaker 3: Through the roof.
Speaker 2: Power prices up and through the roof. But obviously the
Speaker 2: other issue is if people have not as much money
Speaker 2: to buy stuff, well, then we start to get into
Speaker 2: a world where, in particular, the retail sector is in trouble.
Speaker 2: And as they were reporting today that while inflation may
Speaker 2: be easing, asterisk the nation is facing a difficult Christmas.
Speaker 2: Now this of course will be not one, not two,
Speaker 2: but the third difficult Christmas in a row. Hence why
Speaker 2: I don't fall for the guff and the bs out
Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister that things are getting better.
Speaker 3: Reality is they've gotten either worse or they are staying.
Speaker 2: At worse but releasing their retail outlook Deloitte Access Economics there,
Speaker 2: of course the people who always talk about the federal budget,
Speaker 2: so they're pretty well respected at least in the media circles.
Speaker 2: They say that the retail sector has been in recession
Speaker 2: for eighteen months. So if the retail sector has been
Speaker 2: for eighteen months, if for the best part of what
Speaker 2: five quarters the per capita recession, see how those things
Speaker 2: start to line up. And while spending per person has
Speaker 2: fallen for the past two years, it is now two
Speaker 2: point five percent lower than June last year. So again
Speaker 2: this idea about either things getting worse or things are
Speaker 2: sticking at worse.
Speaker 3: But as for Jim Chalmers, well.
Speaker 6: What's the song that plays in his head about the economy?
Speaker 2: Almost caught me dancing, Almost caught me dancing. But he
Speaker 2: can live in that fantasy land. Now we all know
Speaker 2: that social cohesion is this very sort of polite word
Speaker 2: for things being different, people being at each other's throats,
Speaker 2: people getting up in other people's faces about things that
Speaker 2: we haven't had in our past. Now, of course, after
Speaker 2: what happened on October the seventh, remember within twenty four
Speaker 2: hours all of that was when people were turning up
Speaker 2: at the Sydney Opera house and they were saying where's
Speaker 2: the Jews, as if this was somehow better than other
Speaker 2: words that people believed were being said at the time. Now,
Speaker 2: remember this was not people who were all about the
Speaker 2: rights of a Palestinian state all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: These were the people who reacted within a day, within
Speaker 3: a day of what had happened when it came to HMAS.
Speaker 2: We know, of course, when it comes to our universities,
Speaker 2: that our universities have had many, many protests for a
Speaker 2: significant period of time and encampments that have been taking
Speaker 2: place there.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: We also know that politically, there are politicians that are
Speaker 2: willing to stand in photos that they have now deleted
Speaker 2: off the Internet.
Speaker 3: But remember this photo.
Speaker 2: When school kids are holding up a poster next to
Speaker 2: a prominent Green senator saying that the essentially the best
Speaker 2: place was for the Jews to go into the bin. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, because we have to both sides this stuff,
Speaker 2: because it would be awfully offensive if we didn't. The
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, of course, likes to pretend that there's a
Speaker 2: problem with not just anti Semitism but also Islamophobia. Okay,
Speaker 2: But then the university sector has decided that they're going
Speaker 2: to get involved as well. Now, these of course have
Speaker 2: been the hotbeds of misinformation in my view about how
Speaker 2: the world actually works, or certainly very slanted.
Speaker 3: View of how the world works.
Speaker 2: But obviously I'm far more radicalized student population is there. Well,
Speaker 2: university is now going to spend one million dollars. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do the pinky but you get the
Speaker 2: whole thing about a doctor evil. But one million dollars
Speaker 2: is going to be spent by at least one university
Speaker 2: to try to.
Speaker 3: Work out what's going on here.
Speaker 2: Man Monash University is going to spend a million dollars
Speaker 2: researching the program tasks with investigating anti Semitism and Islamo Fabia,
Speaker 2: I use that voice because I can save you a
Speaker 2: million bucks. We all know what's going on here. We
Speaker 2: all know that there are people who are trying to
Speaker 2: bring the problems of other parts of the world and
Speaker 2: try to play them out on the free streets of Australia.
Speaker 3: That is not acceptable. Now.
Speaker 2: Again, anyone can come from anywhere, including from places like Gaza,
Speaker 2: as long as you come here and you understand that
Speaker 2: this is a different place, This is a free place,
Speaker 2: and this is a place where, of course you have
Speaker 2: to respect that in this country there could be somebody
Speaker 2: who came from Israel who may well be living next
Speaker 2: door to you, may well be in the same class
Speaker 2: as you. But of course we have the left wing
Speaker 2: and the ultra left wing of Australian politics that is
Speaker 2: doing its best right now to try to ferment as.
Speaker 3: Much carry on as possible.
Speaker 2: But let's see how they're going to spend a million
Speaker 2: bucks of your money, because of course all of these
Speaker 2: are public institutions. Monash University and their vice chancellor has
Speaker 2: promised a million dollars for a two year research program
Speaker 2: to investigate students' experiences of anti Semitism and his lemon
Speaker 2: flow a million bucks to work out their experiences, to
Speaker 2: talk to people to find.
Speaker 3: Out what's going on. We can see it on the news.
Speaker 2: The university will receive rolling updates on the programs. The
Speaker 2: whole thing will go for two years, and for some
Speaker 2: reason they're going to go to Monash's Malaysia campus.
Speaker 3: Seriously, there's nothing like a study.
Speaker 2: To kick things further into the reeds, to pretend that
Speaker 2: there's something else to talk about at a different time.
Speaker 3: A million bucks.
Speaker 2: But of course we must have as many international students
Speaker 2: as possible because it's a wonderful export industry. Now, the
Speaker 2: Bush Summit is I'm really proud of this thing. I
Speaker 2: remember I've been to plenty of them over the years.
Speaker 2: This year's has taken a massive step up and I've
Speaker 2: got to say congratulations to every one of the ods.
Speaker 2: But also I want to say everyone in the news
Speaker 2: programs technical side of Sky News has brought such a
Speaker 2: polish to all of this. When you've got wonderful presenters
Speaker 2: like Ash Gillen will be here tomorrow, Tom Connell and
Speaker 2: lots of other people that brought a great sense of
Speaker 2: flash to it and also a great knowledge of the issues.
Speaker 2: But the Bush Salmon, which of course is being presented
Speaker 2: by Rossy Boots, Gina Reinhart again will be here tomorrow.
Speaker 2: There was this fascinating conversation back and forth between Matt
Speaker 2: Keane and Barnaby Joyce. I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 2: But yes, we can also talk about mining and agriculture,
Speaker 2: but we do have to really have a chat about
Speaker 2: something that is killing hundreds of people in regional Australia.
Speaker 2: It's not Forever chemicals, it's not mining accidents.
Speaker 3: It's not your name.
Speaker 2: It it's people dying in car crashes. Now, amazing stats
Speaker 2: today that we're all linked to the Bushmit being in Sydney.
Speaker 2: I got to show you this year are staggering. Two thirds,
Speaker 2: two thirds of deaths that are happening on Australia's roads
Speaker 2: are happening in the bush. Of the twelve hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty two people who died on Australian roads last year,
Speaker 2: and twenty one died in regional areas, four hundred and
Speaker 2: forty one in the cities. Every in each of all
Speaker 2: of these is of course an absolute tragedy. You said
Speaker 2: whiles had the biggest proportion. The fatalities were two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty two in the regions compared to about half
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirteen in the cities. My simple message
Speaker 2: is this, slow down now there's plenty of times that
Speaker 2: I've driven like a moron. There's plenty of times that
Speaker 2: I've done that, probably this year, but we have to
Speaker 2: slow down when we were flying from Perth today. You
Speaker 2: know how when you listen to a podcast, they can
Speaker 2: do those ads where they drop them in to represent
Speaker 2: something that's in the location you're in. Right, So I
Speaker 2: heard this ad today and it was a bloke who
Speaker 2: was crying, and it was a real bloke who was
Speaker 2: crying because his mate had died in a.
Speaker 3: Car accident and they had planned to have.
Speaker 2: This life together but instead he ended up going to
Speaker 2: his mate's funeral, not his mate's wedding. I know you
Speaker 2: notice slow down, but I also know that you know
Speaker 2: the bits where you.
Speaker 3: Think you can give it a bit of a squirt.
Speaker 2: Don't, no matter how tempting it may be, no matter
Speaker 2: how great the broom broom in the car is, Please don't.
Speaker 2: We'll all forget from time to time. But tonight my
Speaker 2: chance to say and hopefully do, which is to pull
Speaker 2: our heads in when it comes.
Speaker 3: To that stuff.
Speaker 2: Also in Queensland there's been a coronial inquest which has
Speaker 2: been going for a little while into the terrorism event
Speaker 2: that took place there when multiple police officers.
Speaker 3: And a good Samaritan were killed.
Speaker 2: Now, the footage that I'm about to show you it
Speaker 2: is distressing, but this is the insights we've been getting.
Speaker 2: This has been This is real life footage of a
Speaker 2: police officer running from a person who's shooting at them,
Speaker 2: and then getting into the car, and then the shots
Speaker 2: start firing while they're in the car.
Speaker 3: This is frightening, It is distressing.
Speaker 2: So I always want to make sure that if you
Speaker 2: want to look away, you've got about thirty seconds to
Speaker 2: do so. But that footage has been unbelievable. Well, many
Speaker 2: people who of course are represented by their families, or
Speaker 2: should I say the families that are representing those that
Speaker 2: are no longer with us, They've had.
Speaker 3: Plenty to say.
Speaker 2: They've had plenty to say about why they were sent,
Speaker 2: how they were sent there, what protections they didn't didn't
Speaker 2: have when they were there. But there's also been some
Speaker 2: serious concern that some of the final words of their
Speaker 2: family members, well, they didn't know all of this until
Speaker 2: they were watching this proceeding along with the rest of us.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to give them the respect because this
Speaker 2: show is pro cop I am pro cop. These people
Speaker 2: go towards other people's worst day of their lives, and they.
Speaker 3: Do it every single day in twelve hour shifts.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to show respect to the fallen officers,
Speaker 2: but also to their families to air their complaint that
Speaker 2: the final words of their kids were not known until
Speaker 2: it was time to play them in for one of
Speaker 2: a better term a court room, rather than them to
Speaker 2: be told while they were't prepared in their funerals.
Speaker 3: Rather the tape.
Speaker 7: It also highlighted serious operational failings that we believe could
Speaker 7: have prevented this tragedy. In his evidence, Detective Senior Sergeant
Speaker 7: Duncan Gorrie concerned our long held belief that Nathaniel Train
Speaker 7: was not a missing person, rather someone who'd lost touch
Speaker 7: with his family. So our children were executed for what
Speaker 7: a loss of contact.
Speaker 2: Now it feels like I've been on a pat malone
Speaker 2: talking about the failures of Jackie Lamby this week, but
Speaker 2: they have been numerous. Now You've seen plenty of people
Speaker 2: talk about the news story of what has happened this week.
Speaker 3: But remember Jackie Lamby.
Speaker 2: Is beloved by the media because when push comes to
Speaker 2: sharp she's generally sent or left she'll certainly whack conservatives
Speaker 2: a lot harder than she'll whack what seems to be
Speaker 2: her fellow travelers when it comes to things like the
Speaker 2: Labor Party. But of course, her absolute power, and it's
Speaker 2: a genius power, is that she has sort of complainer
Speaker 2: in chief. The one thing that Jackie Lamby hates for
Speaker 2: her brand of politics is to be actually involved in
Speaker 2: the decision making of a country or a state, because
Speaker 2: then you become responsible for it. You see, The entire
Speaker 2: political model for her is well, aren't they all terrible?
Speaker 2: Everything should change. She picks the waves to be able
Speaker 2: to blow up on and it works for her. But
Speaker 2: as we've seen this week, the three people who made
Speaker 2: their way into the Tasmanian Parliament essentially off the back
Speaker 2: of the brand that is Jackie Lamby, but by their
Speaker 2: own admission, no policies. It just was the brand of
Speaker 2: Jackie Lamby. Well, two of those three are apparently too
Speaker 2: close to the government, so they got the biscuit ones
Speaker 2: left over. The government is now being propped up by
Speaker 2: the existing Lamby person plus the two former Lambies. But
Speaker 2: remember Jackie Lamby decided the way she was interacting with
Speaker 2: the Tasmanian government was that the basic deal to keep
Speaker 2: them in power would have to renew itself every twelve months.
Speaker 2: She was already putting a series of land mines in
Speaker 2: a deal, hoping that it would blow up and then
Speaker 2: we'd be off to an election, and because she'd be complaining,
Speaker 2: not defending, then of course she would be able to
Speaker 2: get even more seats.
Speaker 3: But we learned today.
Speaker 2: So the lady who I so effectually referred to as
Speaker 2: the crazy cat lady from Tasmania. But I'll do it anyway,
Speaker 2: which is she was on the OBAC today and said,
Speaker 2: that's it no more when it comes to state politics.
Speaker 8: What I've done is try to give ordinary Tasmanians to
Speaker 8: go in politics. Leone, to be honest with you, that
Speaker 8: is obviously not worked for whatever reason I have tried.
Speaker 8: But what I will say, do those ordinary Tasmanians that
Speaker 8: want to shott in politics? Now, obviously I'm not big
Speaker 8: enough to make that happen, for whatever reasons, whether that's
Speaker 8: because we're just not big enough. We don't have that
Speaker 8: upper echelon where people can get more helpful or whatever
Speaker 8: they want. But you know, those days have given me
Speaker 8: ordinary Tasmanians ago are over.
Speaker 7: So you're saying the state political experiment for you, he's
Speaker 7: over arm It certainly is.
Speaker 2: What I mean, what garbage a thousand words when ten
Speaker 2: will do again. I understand the role that Jackie Lambi
Speaker 2: plays and why certain people like Jackie I get it
Speaker 2: all right, we don't get to pick up perfect candidates.
Speaker 3: If so, we'd all run for offers.
Speaker 2: But the reality he's here, this guff and garbage and
Speaker 2: bs about I just was trying to give ordinary Tasmanians
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: No, you weren't. You were trying to get a foothold in.
Speaker 2: The northern part of Tasmania, which you largely got with
Speaker 2: state MPs, to be able to have a further foothold
Speaker 2: in everything that happens in Tasmanian politics. You weren't doing
Speaker 2: this just randomly to give some people a go. And
Speaker 2: remember you yourself zero duck egg. Nothing was what your
Speaker 2: candidates were running on. They were running on mini means
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 3: So if they're failed, you failed in ordinary Australians.
Speaker 2: Please Anyway, she's apparently going to be running lot of
Speaker 2: people at the national level because surprise, surprise, despite the
Speaker 2: fact that she's learned her lesson in Tasmania. She'll trying
Speaker 2: to repeat it here in Western Australia. Now there's a
Speaker 2: slightly confusing picture about who is leading right now.
Speaker 3: Is Trump is at Harris?
Speaker 2: Now, remember after the Democratic National Convention, Harris was supposed
Speaker 2: to be up, way up, sugar high, you know, the
Speaker 2: best ever, you know.
Speaker 3: All the rest of it.
Speaker 2: But the reality is the empty pants suit is the
Speaker 2: empty pants suit. She's not Obama in a pantsuit, because
Speaker 2: if you actually look at the numbers, she is lower
Speaker 2: in the polls than where Hillary was in sixteen when
Speaker 2: she lost, and lower than where Biden was when he
Speaker 2: won and only won by.
Speaker 3: Forty thousand votes.
Speaker 2: That said, if everything is super tight right now, you
Speaker 2: prefer to have one point your way rather than one
Speaker 2: point the other way. And right now Fox News poll,
Speaker 2: Harris is winning in Arizona. If that's the case, Trump
Speaker 2: gone finished. If she wins in Georgia, Trump gone finish.
Speaker 2: If she wins in Nevada, Trump gone finish. Now again,
Speaker 2: I'll show you the data here, then we'll have our
Speaker 2: opinions on the top of it. But I'm not going
Speaker 2: to hide bad news from those who consider that to
Speaker 2: be bad news. North Carolina Trump just It won't matter though,
Speaker 2: because if Trump is losing Nevada, Georgia, Arizona is in
Speaker 2: a world of trouble.
Speaker 3: He has to win Georgia, he has to win Arizona.
Speaker 2: He can survive without Nevada, but he has to win Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: But current polls show that that is again a fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty race.
Speaker 3: So that's the poles.
Speaker 2: But then there's the betting markets. Now you can see
Speaker 2: these as being predicted because it's people literally risking their
Speaker 2: own money. But right now Trump has the edge. The
Speaker 2: chances are becoming the next president of the United States.
Speaker 3: It's raiser thin.
Speaker 2: It's fifty percent chance versus forty nine percent chance. But
Speaker 2: why I bring this up as the slightly confusing picture
Speaker 2: is I checked this literally an hour ago. Trump is
Speaker 2: up in Pennsylvania, Trump is up in Nevada. Trump is
Speaker 2: also up in Arizona. If that happens, he is the
Speaker 2: next president of the United States. In the meantime, of course,
Speaker 2: we get ready for Kamala Harris doing her first interview,
Speaker 2: where she will only take half of the questions because
Speaker 2: her emotional support Governor, her vice presidential candidate, will be
Speaker 2: sitting next to her.
Speaker 3: At the time, and.
Speaker 2: The person asking the questions is a person who we
Speaker 2: saw some.
Speaker 3: Tape today is clearly so pro Trump. Roll the tape.
Speaker 3: Here on Dana Bash, I.
Speaker 9: Just want to do a little bit of record correcting. No,
Speaker 9: there's not record crime right now. Number one, Harris was
Speaker 9: put in charge, as you said earlier, of combating the
Speaker 9: roots of immigration.
Speaker 10: She was not and is not.
Speaker 9: The borders are. There's a lot for President Biden to tout.
Speaker 9: Americans don't seem to be giving him the credit. The
Speaker 9: former president falsely claimed that the vice president quote happened
Speaker 9: to turn black for political reasons.
Speaker 2: So if like me, you're a mega nerd and you're
Speaker 2: going to watch these things live, it'll be eleven.
Speaker 3: O'clock tomorrow East Coast time.
Speaker 2: Obviously highlights and immediate reporting its GOINGEWS dot com dot
Speaker 2: AU quick break.
Speaker 3: Back with more Head of the.
Speaker 2: Bush Summit import headed edlind in Western Australia, looking forward
Speaker 2: to it. Two of the mates, two of them are favorites.
Speaker 2: Pick which one agrees or disagrees before we even start.
Speaker 3: But we'll get into it in a moment's time.
Speaker 2: Here on Paul Murray Love, Welcome back to port Headland,
Speaker 2: where the busham is going to be here tomorrow to
Speaker 2: people that are very significant in what's happening tomorrow. And
Speaker 2: the whole effort thus far is none of than Chris James,
Speaker 2: the editor of the Courier mar but also the chief
Speaker 2: editorial person when it comes to this world. Basically a
Speaker 2: lot of the stories about the Bushammit, they've come through
Speaker 2: your desk.
Speaker 11: Sounds like a great intro, Paul, Look, we have absolutely okay.
Speaker 3: Is it a collective thing? No, We've loved if you are.
Speaker 11: I think the great thing about this has been that
Speaker 11: every editor and every newspaper across the country has spent
Speaker 11: the past week in regional Australia. We started in Townsville
Speaker 11: last week, beautiful towns with the national launch with the
Speaker 11: Curry Mail in the towns of Bulletin, went to Lonceston, Bendigo,
Speaker 11: we went to McLaren Vale.
Speaker 1: That was a good gig because I didn't go to
Speaker 1: that one Orange and then here tomorrow and what a
Speaker 1: great spot.
Speaker 11: I've never been to Porthad And when I sat out
Speaker 11: before as the sun was setting over the ocean, and
Speaker 11: you know, giving some attention to regional Australia is what
Speaker 11: this is all about yeah, good man, actually give them,
Speaker 11: will host it all tomorrow, you'll see it on telling.
Speaker 10: Them most of McLaren Vale's I actually.
Speaker 12: Which was absolutely something sitting at a vineyard and now
Speaker 12: we're here in the red dirt.
Speaker 3: Thank you for bringing your touch of class to this
Speaker 3: little program.
Speaker 12: Appreciating before that I've made it flash, but.
Speaker 3: Do you know you bring a bit of sparkle to it.
Speaker 2: You know, I reckon.
Speaker 10: My parents and farmers down south of w A.
Speaker 12: So we're just coming off back of travel season out
Speaker 12: of the small town of jnny Broosh. Everyone's stinging trauffles
Speaker 12: laste weeks.
Speaker 10: They wouldn't call me flash.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 2: All right, now, let's talk about some of the issues
Speaker 2: that are around right now. I'm a sh a Han
Speaker 2: interesting piece in the Australian where he's trying to frame
Speaker 2: when there may well be an election. Now again it's
Speaker 2: Prime Minister will decide five minutes to midnight. He may
Speaker 2: well think, if rates are going to go up next year,
Speaker 2: let's go now. But as your sense of this is
Speaker 2: your sense that the window closes because of things like
Speaker 2: the Queensland election, because of footy seas and all the
Speaker 2: rest of it, or if the economic numbers get worse
Speaker 2: next year, you kind of want to jump in before
Speaker 2: they get worse.
Speaker 12: I haven't spoken to a single politician who thinks we're
Speaker 12: going to an election this year.
Speaker 10: It's just time is running out.
Speaker 12: So yeah, I think we're looking at next year and
Speaker 12: looking at where the inflation interest rate situation sits by then. Yeah,
Speaker 12: I think it can be next year. There's a few
Speaker 12: dates that are being thrown around. March eight is the
Speaker 12: wa state election.
Speaker 3: Of course, yes, so it won't be.
Speaker 12: On March the eighth, But social one MP recently actually
Speaker 12: who suggested that depends how summer goes. Do we have
Speaker 12: a lot of bad bush fards really have blackouts? How
Speaker 12: close do you want to go to an election if
Speaker 12: there's another let's cross.
Speaker 10: Out things and hope this isn't the case. If there's
Speaker 10: another bad summer, how do we come off the back
Speaker 10: of that?
Speaker 2: Well, and remember the past two summers were supposedly going
Speaker 2: to deliver something similar to what had happened in twenty
Speaker 2: to twenty one.
Speaker 3: Thankfully it didn't because there's a lot more rain around. Apparently,
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 2: Bridition exists for the next summer as we have been
Speaker 2: for the past couple, so I hope it's not as
Speaker 2: bad as it seems.
Speaker 3: But Chris, again your sense about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously main game is Bush Summer now and
Speaker 2: then you're into the Queensland election. Do you think that
Speaker 2: Queenslanders would be interested in going twice in a year
Speaker 2: to a poling booth.
Speaker 1: I think that's the critical point.
Speaker 11: You talk about Queensland and October twenty sixth WA March eight.
Speaker 11: I would if I was in Anthony Albanezi in the
Speaker 11: Labor Party, I would want to give the voters in
Speaker 11: Queensland and Western Australia every opportunity to get as angry
Speaker 11: as they like in the polling booth against Labor. Get
Speaker 11: off that, just get that out of this them and
Speaker 11: then and then go to the polls. I mean, I
Speaker 11: think there was a bit of a sense that maybe March,
Speaker 11: but the WA thing gets in the way of that.
Speaker 11: So yeah, I'd be surprised if if we see a
Speaker 11: federal election being called in summer.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be that sort of you know, after
Speaker 1: get w a out of the way and then off
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 3: My little tip though for all of these things is
Speaker 3: watch them.
Speaker 2: Watch both Dutton and Alban EZI pretend they're not having
Speaker 2: summer holidays, just they're.
Speaker 3: Going to be around for the just in case, because
Speaker 3: they're just ready.
Speaker 2: If remember, of course the whole tax cut stuff had
Speaker 2: happened in the lead up to Australia Day as opposed
Speaker 2: to politics is all back on Australia Day.
Speaker 3: So wait, watching sea.
Speaker 11: But I don't think we'll see a prime minister in
Speaker 11: Hawaii this summer. I reckon we can lock that one.
Speaker 10: We're seeing them.
Speaker 12: I'm seeing them in Perth like they are there almost weekly.
Speaker 12: We've either got Dutton, Alban easy, they're there like every week.
Speaker 1: Same in region, same in Queensland and regional queens Yeah.
Speaker 2: So let's let's talk about the w A factor they
Speaker 2: because I mean there are four seats that Labor was
Speaker 2: able to get. Whether that was because of the just
Speaker 2: the anti government of the last time, certainly GST deals
Speaker 2: borders all of that garbage statefully behind us, but still
Speaker 2: working out where the electoral gravity is about whether everyone
Speaker 2: holds a line or whether oh well that one's gone,
Speaker 2: that one's gone.
Speaker 3: But then there's the other factor too, which is the teal.
Speaker 2: There is a teal that replaced Julie Bishop or in
Speaker 2: Julie Bishop's seat in and around.
Speaker 3: Codder's Low, Lovely part of the world, Lovely pub.
Speaker 2: There again, your sense about WA federal politics right now
Speaker 2: because the data that we see, and this is where
Speaker 2: I'm going to put it aside and go to the
Speaker 2: lived experience, is that laters come.
Speaker 3: Off a bit, but it's not ready to make the
Speaker 3: full reverse. What's your sense?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think you're pretty spot on there. The McGowan
Speaker 12: star factor has gone. I don't think voteras in Western
Speaker 12: Australia are as angry at labor as perhaps we're going
Speaker 12: to see in Queensland, but definitely without the star power
Speaker 12: with Mirke McGowan that's going to make a huge difference.
Speaker 12: And because there were so many labor games, I think
Speaker 12: we will see that swing back a bit to the
Speaker 12: liberal So you mentioned those seats has like Peers, Swan,
Speaker 12: Tangy that labor picked up and the curtain which went
Speaker 12: to the TiAl is also the creation of a new
Speaker 12: seat called bull Winkle which comes into play.
Speaker 2: That's the greatest That is the I won't ask you
Speaker 2: what the historical references, but for the older blokes, we
Speaker 2: just think that's it's a former I think it's.
Speaker 10: World War two. I haven't got that right.
Speaker 3: Vivian before alighting. To be respectful, please don't laugh at that.
Speaker 10: No, it's very serious. I think it's a great name.
Speaker 12: But yeah, so there's a new seat, and because that
Speaker 12: new seat, so many boundaries have shifted as well that
Speaker 12: I think it's like seventy something potus.
Speaker 10: In Wa are going to be gutting in new seats
Speaker 10: of course time around.
Speaker 2: So that's so whether it became a little more blue,
Speaker 2: a little more red, a little teal, so feeling like.
Speaker 10: They can pick up a couple, I'll tell you.
Speaker 11: The thing that I think about is what what we're
Speaker 11: probably heading to here based on the losses in Wa,
Speaker 11: the fact that Labor look they're looking at Brisbane as
Speaker 11: the elector of Brisbane, maybe the elect a Lighthart in Kansas.
Speaker 1: The only two possible ws for the lanes.
Speaker 11: Are coming for them in Lily correct, And so probably
Speaker 11: what you're going to see if the Liberals can't pick
Speaker 11: up those heel seats in Sydney and Melbourne is a
Speaker 11: hung parliament.
Speaker 1: Now this is a real problem for Australia.
Speaker 11: Because whichever side you're on, hung parliaments don't tend to
Speaker 11: be good for Australia.
Speaker 2: We'll see, and ironically right, so if Newspole's correct, we're
Speaker 2: talking about the best part of six seven, which a loss,
Speaker 2: which then takes a government that's on what's seventy eight
Speaker 2: down to seventy one, maybe up to seventy two. If
Speaker 2: it's seventy three, well then they can pull together enough
Speaker 2: people on the cross bench before we start getting into
Speaker 2: the crazy. But if it's any lower than that, which
Speaker 2: on any one day it may well be, then we
Speaker 2: start going into the crazy, which is the green stuff.
Speaker 2: Before again, I get back to some regional stuff tomorrow
Speaker 2: the interview with Kamala Harris on CNN.
Speaker 3: She of course has many questions to to answer.
Speaker 2: Let's go right back to so when did you notice
Speaker 2: Joe Biden was starting to warbble right? Did you say anything?
Speaker 2: Did you not say anything? Through to We're happy with
Speaker 2: the process of how you became the candidate, but more importantly,
Speaker 2: you believe this now you believe that, As Meghan Kelly says,
Speaker 2: the only question worth asking is what was the moment
Speaker 2: you change your mind and why?
Speaker 3: But she, of course is not great on.
Speaker 2: Her feet in those scenarios excellent on a teleprompter, but
Speaker 2: not great on her feet. But she's got the emotional
Speaker 2: support governor next to her. So has she designed a
Speaker 2: scenario here where there's so many things to ask her,
Speaker 2: but with two people there's only half the time as
Speaker 2: somebody who would walk in and do an interview like that.
Speaker 2: Has she sort of snooked the power of the interview
Speaker 2: by diluting the number of people that take the question.
Speaker 12: Oh, she has a very smart team of meter advices
Speaker 12: around it, clearly, and this is obviously the advice that
Speaker 12: they've given that it's wise to front up with the
Speaker 12: two of them. I can't wait to see that interview.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think she does struggle sometimes. Look at
Speaker 12: the Democratic National Convention last week. Her speech compared to
Speaker 12: you know, following people like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 12: the Obamas, I mean, it was pretty huge.
Speaker 10: She used to fill and she just didn't compare they.
Speaker 3: Just as a concert, she was the encore, and even
Speaker 3: then the second song of the encore, where You've got
Speaker 3: a rod I'm done.
Speaker 12: Yes, I mean, obviously the crowd loved her because it's
Speaker 12: a Democratic National Convention, but she isn't as good as
Speaker 12: her prosist.
Speaker 2: So Chris again, what if anything, are you looking for
Speaker 2: this as somebody you know who's you know, like all
Speaker 2: of us, they amate are obsessive of American politics or
Speaker 2: the journal.
Speaker 3: What are you looking at it tomorrow? What are you
Speaker 3: hoping out of it?
Speaker 11: I'm just hoping she answered some questions. I think this
Speaker 11: is a really interesting difference between the US system and
Speaker 11: the Australian system. US politicians seem to be able to
Speaker 11: get away with never actually doing press conferences, never actually
Speaker 11: doing interviews other than you know, the occasional splattering, whereas
Speaker 11: you think our politicians they have to front up every
Speaker 11: other day part of the system.
Speaker 1: And so hopefully it's a.
Speaker 11: Good opportunity to get some get some questions actually answered,
Speaker 11: and hopefully some real questions.
Speaker 3: And also that thing where I mean, as we saw
Speaker 3: the last election didn't matter in terms of the result,
Speaker 3: but the idea that it was like all right, pop
Speaker 3: quiz time, what's the unemployment rate? How much is this?
Speaker 3: What is it like?
Speaker 1: I try some milk.
Speaker 3: I'm not into the price of milk. Bread thing. Obviously
Speaker 3: they live in it, but they don't need to know that, right.
Speaker 10: It happens in every campaign.
Speaker 2: Correct but literally correct, but if your position is building
Speaker 2: a wall is racist, now you want to build a wall,
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to. That's some gymnastics, right, that's on
Speaker 2: top of the gymnastics of a whole bunch of policies
Speaker 2: that she was into that now she's going to flip
Speaker 2: the other way. So we'll watch and see together. You,
Speaker 2: of course, who always do your homework. Cash in tomorrow
Speaker 2: and the Bush Summit, what's the story of WA's regional
Speaker 2: communities that you're looking forward to showcasing, or maybe people
Speaker 2: just need to be reminded of because the assumption is mining, mining, money, money, mining,
Speaker 2: and that's it.
Speaker 12: Well, my mining is a big part of it, obviously
Speaker 12: and really important to the economy. And we've got a
Speaker 12: big critical mineral story happening here in Wa at the moment,
Speaker 12: so that is definitely.
Speaker 10: A huge part of it. But the ag side's really
Speaker 10: important as well.
Speaker 12: I would expect that some of the labor politicians turning
Speaker 12: up tomorrow will get some pretty tough questions about live
Speaker 12: sheep exports. We've seen the kipt the Sheep campaign really
Speaker 12: gathering some steam. They've got five hundred grand in a
Speaker 12: war chest ready to go to roll out ahead of
Speaker 12: the election to target.
Speaker 10: Some of the seats being impacted. And I live in Perth.
Speaker 12: I'm seeing keep the Sheep bumper stickers all over town.
Speaker 12: There is a bit of there's a lot of disquiet
Speaker 12: about that policy. I interviewed the Foreign Minister, Penny Wong
Speaker 12: at the mccaren vale push Somemit yesterday.
Speaker 10: We're talking a lot about wine and lobster and China.
Speaker 12: Tariffs on and you know, I said to you, it's
Speaker 12: one thing when you're an other government's shuting down your business,
Speaker 12: but in this situation, the devastation that these farmers are
Speaker 12: feeling because it's their own government shutting it down, that's
Speaker 12: really tough to handle. And she said, look, we've taken
Speaker 12: this policy to the last two elections. If you talk
Speaker 12: to the farmers, they tell you that the conditions on
Speaker 12: those ships have changed.
Speaker 10: A heap over that time.
Speaker 3: Period and the decisions.
Speaker 2: Look again, it's I think it's a bunch of the
Speaker 2: issue plays very differently on the East Coast than it
Speaker 2: does on the West Coast. But as soon as you
Speaker 2: start taking the tastes of one place and applying it
Speaker 2: to the other and then assume that they're going to
Speaker 2: completely be cool with it because you need to win.
Speaker 2: New Town doesn't work. That's why I'm fascinated about the weather.
Speaker 2: I mean right now, what it's out to twenty eight,
Speaker 2: whether they find another way, another way, but literally, I
Speaker 2: mean the Teal was for it and then the Teal
Speaker 2: ended up flipping up to now be against it.
Speaker 10: And also the WA Labor government is against this policy
Speaker 10: as well.
Speaker 12: So there is a real yeah, policy division between the
Speaker 12: state labor government and federal.
Speaker 10: Government on this issue.
Speaker 3: And what are you looking forward to tomorrow?
Speaker 11: Look on just looking forward, like every Bush Summit, to
Speaker 11: the fact that we give them attention to the ten
Speaker 11: million Australians who do not live in the big capital cities.
Speaker 11: And that's what Bush Summit it's all about. It's about
Speaker 11: getting the powerful to turn up. Do you know there's
Speaker 11: if you can actually go through the list of the
Speaker 11: politicians and the powerful CEOs who have turned up to
Speaker 11: the Bush Summit over the past six events, it's a
Speaker 11: guest list that is far bigger, far better than the
Speaker 11: AFL Grand Final.
Speaker 1: They're all they all turn up and they all listen,
Speaker 1: and that's what it's all about.
Speaker 11: So what what always surprises me is how the issues
Speaker 11: are quite different as you move around. Even in Townsville.
Speaker 11: I had some of the outback mayors saying, this isn't
Speaker 11: the Bush, this is regional.
Speaker 2: You know what about the bush Yeowers Correy by the way,
Speaker 2: and so you got towns All to Charterstowers samonize, everything's
Speaker 2: it's all very different.
Speaker 11: But the point of Bush Summit is just put the
Speaker 11: spotlight on local issues and to get the powerful up
Speaker 11: on that stage behind us to answer those questions.
Speaker 12: And I think the theme we've seen across the week
Speaker 12: as well is that there is a huge disc next
Speaker 12: yes when it comes to services, infrastructure, etc. But also
Speaker 12: attitudes between city folk and people in the regions. And
Speaker 12: one lady coming to me at the end of the
Speaker 12: summer in McLaren vale es stay and say, nobody gets
Speaker 12: us farmers anymore. You know, it used to be the
Speaker 12: case that everybody knew a farmer. He had an uncle's cousin, brother,
Speaker 12: somebody you knew a farmer. But she said, these days
Speaker 12: people don't know farmers. They don't come to farms. She said,
Speaker 12: I hear about kids going off on these fabulous overseas
Speaker 12: holidays with their high school, but they've never.
Speaker 10: Seen on a farm and seen where the meat comes from.
Speaker 12: So yeah, it's that sort of thing, that theme that
Speaker 12: a lot of people in the bush feel really would misunderstood.
Speaker 2: But again, perfect example about what I was saying about,
Speaker 2: that sort of divide between where a decision is made,
Speaker 2: why a decision is made, and some of the consequences
Speaker 2: of it. The Barnaby Joyce Matt Keen stuff today roll
Speaker 2: the tape of pretty much the guy representing the place
Speaker 2: going okay.
Speaker 3: Enough, too much right, and the guy who says not enough.
Speaker 3: Here's more.
Speaker 4: That's the CSIO ro of our most trusted institutions, and
Speaker 4: a EMO the engineers who run our energy system.
Speaker 3: So we either believe the experts or we don't. And
Speaker 3: I'm for the experts. I've grown up and with this
Speaker 3: the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 13: I honestly, I'll tell you where the truth lies, ladies
Speaker 13: and gentlemen. When you get that little thing in the
Speaker 13: mail with a box in it called the power bill,
Speaker 13: there lies the truth. Now, I'm going to pose one
Speaker 13: question to you. If you get that an email and
Speaker 13: we the here they're quoting all this fantasia of what
Speaker 13: might happen in the future, has that power will have
Speaker 13: been going up or down, Chris, I know.
Speaker 2: You know in Queenctin there's lots of projects that we've
Speaker 2: read about that are on their way. There seems to
Speaker 2: be these incredible collisions. There might be a single landowner
Speaker 2: who says, my land's big enough that you can do
Speaker 2: what you want over there, but then there's a landowner
Speaker 2: next to it who says, no way. Then there's the
Speaker 2: projects which are closer to small towns, of which they
Speaker 2: say again, one of the reasons I live here is
Speaker 2: because I don't want to have a huge amount of
Speaker 2: development in and around. But of course for us to
Speaker 2: get where the people in the city have decided we
Speaker 2: need to go, it needs to be built, and it
Speaker 2: needs to be built exclusively in regional areas because you know,
Speaker 2: when it comes to renewable energy, saying a place I
Speaker 2: do so well, I don't see the teal suggesting north
Speaker 2: and south head after you give up one of your
Speaker 2: doggy parks, as opposed to just shoving it all down
Speaker 2: Dubbo's throat. But what do you think about the rollout
Speaker 2: of renewables as again this example of decision maker versus
Speaker 2: the people who get rolled over.
Speaker 11: The last bush. Someone in Queensland was in rock Campton.
Speaker 11: We turned up and there were protests outside. It turned
Speaker 11: out they were local property holders who were concerned about
Speaker 11: the proliferation of wind farms on their properties. But more specifically,
Speaker 11: they were concerned about the green tape that appears to
Speaker 11: not exist when it's a wind farm, yes, and the
Speaker 11: green tape that does exist when it's something else. And
Speaker 11: so I think it is this real disconnect between politicians
Speaker 11: in the city trying to in Labour's case, cozy up
Speaker 11: with the Greens, concerned about those inner city seats, and
Speaker 11: the people actually.
Speaker 1: Out there who are being impacted.
Speaker 11: It really took me by surprise when we turned up
Speaker 11: and saw that, and we've been covering that a lot
Speaker 11: in this year. I think it's a it's a real flashpoint.
Speaker 11: You can see a little bit of that coming through
Speaker 11: in that great clip. I hope there's a bit of
Speaker 11: that BIFO like like there was an may be able
Speaker 11: to bring nice out of people.
Speaker 3: Well enjoy tomorrow, looking forward to seeing it.
Speaker 2: Of course you see it live on the Telly Highlights
Speaker 2: of Scotty in Stockhram that I read it in all
Speaker 2: of the papers around the country. Guys, Thank you very much,
Speaker 2: love you to see you, and because of course it's
Speaker 2: two hours earlier here, much more time to hang out
Speaker 2: with them after the show.
Speaker 3: We shall do so in a moment or two.
Speaker 2: Stime quick break back with more from Port Headler here
Speaker 2: on Port Murray Life. Thanks for watching wherever you happen
Speaker 2: to be. Two blokes have got plenty to say about
Speaker 2: this Bush summit again. You'll see it on the Telly
Speaker 2: in and around one o'clock tomorrow on the East Coast
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock here on the West Coast, and it highlights
Speaker 2: its sky news dot com dot au.
Speaker 3: Tony C.
Speaker 2: Brook was of course with the Pastoralists and Grace's Association
Speaker 2: always want to get it correct, and Paul Garvey with
Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper.
Speaker 3: Lads love to see you.
Speaker 2: We were just talking about the issues when it came
Speaker 2: to the divide between decisions made in Canberra or Sydney
Speaker 2: or Melbourne and the stuff that ends up having to
Speaker 2: play out not just in regional Australia but in this
Speaker 2: case other side of the country.
Speaker 3: Perfect example is the live export stuff that's going on
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 14: Do you think you can change their mind on this one?
Speaker 14: Tony I don't. I think they've made up their mind.
Speaker 14: I don't think we had a chance from day one.
Speaker 14: They've made up their mind. All the work we did
Speaker 14: was a complete waste of time. This is what they
Speaker 14: were going to do, They've done it. The only option
Speaker 14: we have now is to make certain they're not in
Speaker 14: government after the next election. Right, That's the only option
Speaker 14: we've got now, and we're working on that.
Speaker 2: So Ash was saying before, I mean literally, you go around,
Speaker 2: even in Perth, plenty of stickers, plenty of activism that's around.
Speaker 2: Would labor have been lay but now starting to see
Speaker 2: the fruits of your effort. Do you think that in
Speaker 2: their internals they're starting to see that the talk is
Speaker 2: now turning into something to worry about.
Speaker 15: I think they're going to be very, very worried. We
Speaker 15: know the seats, we know where the weak spots are.
Speaker 15: There's going to be a huge protest in Canberra on
Speaker 15: the tenth, a lot of farmers West Australia going over there,
Speaker 15: a lot of sports mo over East.
Speaker 3: We are going to rock the about good stuff, good stuff, Paul,
Speaker 3: what have you?
Speaker 2: What's been most intriguing to you about in the lead
Speaker 2: up to this particular summit, the sorts of big ideas
Speaker 2: that people like to serve up that will change reach.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Sure, well, I mean, one thing that comes to mind
Speaker 16: with this conference that sort of stands out for me
Speaker 16: is that a lot of the policy issues that are
Speaker 16: ideological or theoretical for city voters are actually real here.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 16: You know, there's people out here who actually will lose
Speaker 16: their job if we decide to shut down industries, if
Speaker 16: we decide to impose new restrictions on a missions for example. Right,
Speaker 16: this is where the rubber hits the road, so to speak.
Speaker 1: So what's great about being out.
Speaker 16: Here is just actually getting to see and feel and
Speaker 16: experience that and actually hear from people who are directly
Speaker 16: affected by what is being done in camera. I mean,
Speaker 16: on Tony's point though, of the campaign, I do cast
Speaker 16: my mind back to writing about the mining tax debate
Speaker 16: which brought down the last labor government, the.
Speaker 2: Last love of export nonsense, when they just turned it
Speaker 2: off overnight because they did a lot what they saw
Speaker 2: on the TV the night before.
Speaker 16: But what we saw with the mining tax debate, I
Speaker 16: come with the exact figure, but it was in the tens,
Speaker 16: if not hundreds of millions of dollars industry spent pushing
Speaker 16: back on that, you're talking about five hundred grand that's
Speaker 16: been raised by the sheep farmers so far. So we're
Speaker 16: still a long way from matching that level of impact
Speaker 16: at this point, but certainly that But.
Speaker 2: Even unlike TV, that's right, Like if you've got people,
Speaker 2: I mean, look, let's be honest.
Speaker 3: The Teals to some degree have shown this.
Speaker 2: Right, if you've got a certain amount of people that
Speaker 2: have fired up enough about something and they're focused in
Speaker 2: a certain area. Now, yes they had some money event
Speaker 2: as well. But if if you've got enough people to
Speaker 2: knock on a door, enough people to tell a friend,
Speaker 2: enough people to shake a tree, well then you can
Speaker 2: get a result. So that's what as opposed to just
Speaker 2: blanketing with advertising and radio and telling.
Speaker 3: And all the rest of it. So you've got that
Speaker 3: look at your plan. We can't reach the whole electric
Speaker 3: all over Australia. We can't do that.
Speaker 15: We know where the seats are, the marginal seats, we
Speaker 15: know where they are. That's where the money is going
Speaker 15: to be spent. I said tomorrow. What when he was
Speaker 15: the minister, He's now moved on, having left the cartage
Speaker 15: behind him. I said, if you are going to do
Speaker 15: me harm and the people I represent harm, you leave
Speaker 15: us with no other option than to.
Speaker 3: Do you harm. And that is what we're going to do.
Speaker 3: You're going to get a standing over to morrow. There's
Speaker 3: no question about it. Now that we've seen ideas about
Speaker 3: everything from you know, rebate's.
Speaker 2: Taxation, all the rest of it that some people are
Speaker 2: starting to discuss, do you see those as.
Speaker 3: A way of helping regional Australia.
Speaker 16: Look, it's always I find it's always tricky when you
Speaker 16: start having government's medal in these sorts of things, right,
Speaker 16: I mean at a state level here we're just seeing
Speaker 16: what's happening in the building industry. Right, we're still trying
Speaker 16: to unwind the damage it was done from a state
Speaker 16: government throwing bankers of money at trying to stimulate the
Speaker 16: industry along. So's there's real issues fundamentally in going down
Speaker 16: that path in any sort of sector. The unintended consequences
Speaker 16: that stem from government seems to be pretty reliable that
Speaker 16: it always always goes pair shaped in some shape.
Speaker 2: Or for generally, when they're selling you something that you
Speaker 2: know is bad, it is bad and it's only going
Speaker 2: to get worse lads.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2: We'll read your stuff for the paper. Look forward to
Speaker 2: you tomorrow. It's going to be fun, all right. That's
Speaker 2: our Shaally from Port Headland. Thank you to everyone here
Speaker 2: at the Headland Hotel and of course join us Sunday
Speaker 2: night Outtown, which is going to be from Juna Loup
Speaker 2: in Perth. If you would like to send me an
Speaker 2: email at any time over the weekend, you know what
Speaker 2: to do. Port skyews dot com dot Au the Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris interview. You'll sit in the middle of the day,
Speaker 2: then you see the Bush Summit and then you get
Speaker 2: all the highlights at skynews dot com dot au. Looking
Speaker 2: forward to the late debate in the moment or two
Speaker 2: his time. In the meantime, go Yankees. Thanks for watching,
Speaker 2: and anytime you get the chance to come to Port Headland,
Speaker 2: do it just for the sunset and the beer alone.
Speaker 3: See you Sunday.