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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering if you were going to do that.

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Speaker 2: Hang on, cute the new music. Please, Hello and welcome

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Speaker 2: to the heart of it. My name's Ali Daddo.

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Speaker 1: I'm cam Dado.

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Speaker 2: We would like to acknowledge the Gadigor people of the orination,

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Speaker 2: the traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects

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Speaker 2: to the elders, both past and present.

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Speaker 1: It's exciting.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: It's been a few months in the making. We've decided

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Speaker 1: to take the leap from the shower, the baths and

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Speaker 2: Gracious a daisy, exactly fresh as the mountain stream factory.

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Speaker 1: Fresh we are.

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Speaker 2: We're like toothpaste. We're tingling and fresh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bright eyed and freshy child.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, just like a healthy relationship. Things grow and change, right,

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Speaker 2: and here we are, we're getting to the heart of it.

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Speaker 1: After several hundred episodes in the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we began podcasting like five years ago.

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Speaker 1: It was five years ago.

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Speaker 2: That's wild, isn't it. And our intention was always to

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Speaker 2: just sort of set the record straight about our relationship

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Speaker 2: if anyone needed to know.

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Speaker 1: In our words though, right because there were people writing

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Speaker 1: their version of it, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and we wanted to talk to guests also

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Speaker 2: really about how they made their relationships work. That was

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Speaker 2: our curiosity and then maybe we could learn something and

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Speaker 2: you could all learn something.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, we had no there was no

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Speaker 1: low about who would actually listen. And the fact that

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Speaker 1: we're still here is a testament to you. So thank you, yes,

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Speaker 1: very much so.

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Speaker 2: And now well we've listened, and evidently you still want

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Speaker 2: to listen too, so thank you, and onwards we goward

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Speaker 1: So we're just as interested as ever in stories, be

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Speaker 1: it relationships or simply stories about life and getting to

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Speaker 1: the heart of what makes relationships and people unique and special.

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Speaker 1: So we haven't been in the studio for a while.

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Speaker 2: I know, had a nice break.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what's going on. Just let's give a little.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know where, I know what happened with you

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Speaker 2: over the summer wasn't exactly the best holiday.

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Speaker 1: I guess, no, Look, someone was quiet. I spent some

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Speaker 2: Well that is actually the incredible Westmead Hospital. Those of

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Speaker 1: Big shout out to the to the staff, the doctors, nurses, caterers.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's just providing nutrition to get better. It

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Speaker 1: So what about you?

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Speaker 2: Foxtowel that I am incredibly honored to be a small

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Speaker 2: part of. It's really a sorry part you're hosting and honey, yeah,

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Speaker 2: That is later in the in the year, okay, and.

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Speaker 2: Foxtel, Yeah, June June. I think it comes on June July.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, brilliant. Well, we've rebranded we are the heart

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Speaker 1: We're still going to be talking about relationships and couples.

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Speaker 2: one of our favorite ladies who works at Nova, Rachel Corbett.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's where I think we should start. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: We've got it, right, I'm sure we will.

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Speaker 1: Here's something we can check out, right, So it's an

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Speaker 1: online lifestyle platform called rest Less Restless Restless. It's an

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Speaker 2: This is a single one, is it? Or if it's

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Speaker 1: But if you're into dating, then here's some game changing

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Speaker 1: Okay, so ten ideas in this article, yep, for ways

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Speaker 1: you've got this list in front of you too, I

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Speaker 1: do now, Yeah, okay, So I'll do the first one.

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Speaker 1: Ask your friends to choose your dad.

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Speaker 2: So have you ever heard of the three three three rule?

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Speaker 2: That's and then then you input the three three three.

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Speaker 2: You just went straight to the heart of it, Annie,

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