Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 3: Tonight, exclusive Liberal party intel shows the election is much
Speaker 3: closer than the poll suggests. I'll share these confidential details
Speaker 3: and Liberal strategy for the final week in a moment.
Speaker 2: Plus, we'll hear tonight from.
Speaker 3: The director of Freshwater Strategy, the polling company behind the
Speaker 3: Liberals campaign, and radio legend. Ray Hadley would join me
Speaker 3: on the desk to speak about Minique Ryan's shocking day
Speaker 3: where she refused to answer questions on three separate occasions.
Speaker 2: We've got new footage coming.
Speaker 3: Up, and we'll cross live to the Vatican as crowds gathered.
Speaker 2: To mourn Pope Francis.
Speaker 3: On the show tonight, Bronwin, Bishop Dave Shama, Steve Price
Speaker 3: and more.
Speaker 2: But first tonight.
Speaker 3: Exclusive inside information into the state of this election and
Speaker 3: the truth about the polls. Polling booths are now open,
Speaker 3: Australians are casting their votes and the election is anyone's
Speaker 3: to win. Now Tonight, I'm going to tell you how
Speaker 3: the polls you're reading in the news are wrong when
Speaker 3: it comes to this federal election and what's really going
Speaker 3: on here. Most national polls have been showing Labor ahead
Speaker 3: and some have even pointed to majority government for Labor.
Speaker 2: But this is a fantasy. Now.
Speaker 3: You need to remember that the polls are simply a
Speaker 3: national survey of around one three hundred or so voters.
Speaker 2: It's like a thumb in the wind to see the
Speaker 2: national mood, and.
Speaker 3: The national polls pick up general trends and shifts in sentiment,
Speaker 3: but in terms of accuracy for the election outcome, they
Speaker 3: are categorically not the right tool for this particular election.
Speaker 3: Because this, more than any other is it's a hyper
Speaker 3: localized election. It doesn't matter what the national opinion is
Speaker 3: from one thousand or so voters out.
Speaker 2: Of eighteen million registered voters.
Speaker 3: It matters how the voters in the seats that are
Speaker 3: in play will vote, and the Liberals are polling around
Speaker 3: six hundred people in individual seats. Labor would be doing
Speaker 3: the same. So you look at six hundred voters per
Speaker 3: seat compared to one thousand people nationally, and when you
Speaker 3: look at the results from this, there's no question Peter
Speaker 3: Dutton is absolutely in the game. Liberal strategists are comparing
Speaker 3: this election to nineteen ninety eight, when John Howard lost
Speaker 3: the two party preferred vote at forty nine percent to
Speaker 3: Beasley's nearly fifty one percent, but howard one majority government. Now,
Speaker 3: this election could be a case where Labor wins the
Speaker 3: two PP vote the two party preferred vote, but Dutton
Speaker 3: either has more seats or there's a hung parliament. A
Speaker 3: likely outcome right now is that Dutton and alban Esi
Speaker 3: both win seats in the highest sixties, and then it
Speaker 3: would be who has the highest number and who can
Speaker 3: negotiate to form government.
Speaker 2: Now, Labor does.
Speaker 3: Have the advantage here because the Greens and the Teals
Speaker 3: would help Albanesi to form a radical green left government.
Speaker 3: It'd be even more out of step with Australia's Judeo
Speaker 3: Christian values than the Albanesi.
Speaker 2: Government currently is.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: A good outcome for Peter Dutton would be reaching seventy
Speaker 3: seats or more, which would.
Speaker 2: Mean he'd have to pick up thirteen.
Speaker 3: Seats and the coalition currently holds fifty seven.
Speaker 2: Now it's a big ask, but.
Speaker 3: This all depends on how the next week and a
Speaker 3: half of campaigning goes. Now here's some insight into Liberal
Speaker 3: parts strategy. I can reveal that the vast majority of Liberals'
Speaker 3: election spend is geared up from today onwards.
Speaker 2: That's millions of dollars.
Speaker 3: Dutton's team has held back the vast majority of their
Speaker 3: election spending until now. Their view was that Easter would
Speaker 3: be a reset and voters would start thinking about the
Speaker 3: election when polling booths open. Now this could be a
Speaker 3: genius movel. They could have just left their election spending
Speaker 3: too late to make a difference. We know that Labour's
Speaker 3: aggressive attack ads have taken a hit on Dutton's personal standing,
Speaker 3: never mind whether they're true or not, and we'll yet
Speaker 3: to see whether the Liberals advertising spend on television and
Speaker 3: online hurts Alvin Easy in turn. But either way, right
Speaker 3: now the election is still highly competitive. One strategist said
Speaker 3: to me that at the moment the Liberals are within
Speaker 3: touching distance of being able to form a government, but
Speaker 3: there's work to do. This is an important reminder that
Speaker 3: the narrative suggested by the National polling that you keep
Speaker 3: reading about that it's impossible for the coalition to win
Speaker 3: and that Labor will form a majority government.
Speaker 2: This is inaccurate.
Speaker 3: It's why I have spent the time digging into the
Speaker 3: difference between the published polling and the internal research to
Speaker 3: bring you this information because it is crucial both Dutton
Speaker 3: and alban Easy know this. They know it's tighter than
Speaker 3: is being publicly suggested. And Peter Dutton even this morning
Speaker 3: spoke about the twenty nineteen election when all the polling
Speaker 3: said Bill Shotten would be Australia's Prime minister. It was
Speaker 3: utterly wrong.
Speaker 4: I think if you have a look at the twenty
Speaker 4: nineteen pole result, where all the public published polling was
Speaker 4: pointing one way, the reality is that there was a
Speaker 4: different outcome. Now I'm not going to go into the
Speaker 4: private polling, but you'll see where the government's spending money
Speaker 4: at the moment in their seats. They're defending seats at
Speaker 4: the moment, they're not on the offensive. So I think
Speaker 4: there's a bit more of a sophisticated view in relation
Speaker 4: to the polling and what's happening at the moment. Australians
Speaker 4: are hurting. That's the reality.
Speaker 3: So Dartan, they're saying that their private polling is different
Speaker 3: and reflects a different outcome to the published polls.
Speaker 2: It's also what National's.
Speaker 3: Leader David little Proud said in an interview last week
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 5: I don't think the national polls are reflective of the
Speaker 5: hyper local campaigns are taking place. There, and I think
Speaker 5: to your point, it's exactly about cost of living about
Speaker 5: in particularly as you get out of the inner suburbs
Speaker 5: where there is not necessarily a bigger cost of living crisis.
Speaker 5: As these you get out further out, they're not feeling
Speaker 5: it as much. And I think what's important is that
Speaker 5: while we're not walking away from the national polls and
Speaker 5: what they reflect, what we're what we're seeing now we're
Speaker 5: internal polling, is that as you get out where Australians
Speaker 5: are struggling and we're saying to them, we're going to
Speaker 5: give you a tax cut of twelve hundred dollars an
Speaker 5: individual twenty four hundred family.
Speaker 3: Now Anthony Alberanezi is getting cocky, but he knows this
Speaker 3: election is much tighter than the perception in the media,
Speaker 3: and he even warned publicly that, like Dudden said, this
Speaker 3: could be a repeat of twenty nineteen when everyone said
Speaker 3: Shorten was going to win.
Speaker 2: But did it. I remind colleagues that twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6: The book is paid out and guess what that didn't occur.
Speaker 2: That was a very unwise thing to do. Now here's
Speaker 2: something else.
Speaker 3: It's also worth keeping in mind that the pollsters behind
Speaker 3: News poll are Pixis Polling and they do the polling
Speaker 3: and research for the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not saying newspoles inaccurate.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's worth keeping this in mind that
Speaker 3: the polsters behind it are being paid by Labor, probably
Speaker 3: millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The Liberal Party's polling is done by Freshwater Strategy, where
Speaker 3: the polster Mike Turner is considered the best in the business. Now,
Speaker 3: where Labor is spending its money also unpicks the narrative
Speaker 3: that it's confident of winning government. Labour's financial spend shows
Speaker 3: it's putting money and resources into holding onto very safe seats.
Speaker 3: Coalition analysis of Google and YouTube advertising spends shows that
Speaker 3: Labor is spending the most on safe Labor seats and
Speaker 3: these include Wills held by Peter Khalil on a margin
Speaker 3: of four point six percent, where Labour spent one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty nine thousand dollars in the past month, Chisholm
Speaker 3: held by Labour's Koreina Garland. This is on a margin
Speaker 3: of three point three percent and Labour spent one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty thousand dollars the seat of Hawk as well,
Speaker 3: margin of seven point six percent and Labour spent one
Speaker 3: hundred and eleven thousand. McEwen considered a safe seat again,
Speaker 3: Labour spent one hundred and ten thousand, and then Bruce
Speaker 3: held by Julian Hill and a margin of over five percent,
Speaker 3: and Labour spent one hundred and nine thousand, and on
Speaker 3: it goes. Now, this advertising spend is on digital advertising.
Speaker 3: It's how political parties now reach young voters who aren't
Speaker 3: consuming traditional media just as much.
Speaker 2: I mean, as you know, they're online the whole time.
Speaker 3: A coalition Sauce said that, and this is the coalition
Speaker 3: Sauce quoted in the Australian. They said that Labor is
Speaker 3: sandbagging in seats they claim they're not worried about and some.
Speaker 2: Of these are very safe labor seats.
Speaker 3: Gorton, Hawk, McEwen and the ALP is pouring hundreds of
Speaker 3: thousands of dollars into retaining. Now in some seats, liberal
Speaker 3: internal research shows that there are huge swings towards the coalition.
Speaker 3: It's been this way for months now, so big the
Speaker 3: liberal strategists are describing it as historic. So the message
Speaker 3: is this election is not over. Voters in key seats
Speaker 3: are unhappy with alban Easy understandably so, and the polls
Speaker 3: were disastrously wrong in twenty nineteen and again in the
Speaker 3: recent American election, when many are predicted the result either
Speaker 3: wouldn't be known for a week or more. All they
Speaker 3: said Kamala Harris would win. Now, Australian polsters aren't more
Speaker 3: sophisticated than the American sephologists.
Speaker 2: And despite the.
Speaker 3: Sand and the hourglass quickly trickling, we're only on day
Speaker 3: one of voting. The election isn't written in stone, and
Speaker 3: at this point the outcome is still up for grabs.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to cross.
Speaker 3: Live to Vatican City shortly, but now for more analysis
Speaker 3: on how the election's going, let's bring in former Speaker
Speaker 3: of the House ronman Bishop and Sky News host Steve Price.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: Roman, What are your thoughts on what I've just said
Speaker 3: there about this disconnect between the national mood that the
Speaker 3: polls that we see pushed forward in the media that
Speaker 3: give alb and Easy that confidence boost.
Speaker 2: He needs, you know, compared to what the.
Speaker 3: Individual's seat by seat research is showing in such a
Speaker 3: hyperlocal campaign.
Speaker 7: Well, first point, I've always been working on the likelihood
Speaker 7: of winning thirteen seats for the Opposition to be able
Speaker 7: to form government. The second thing is that I've been
Speaker 7: saying for some time like you, that the polling itself
Speaker 7: has become a tool of campaigning yes, and by pushing
Speaker 7: out this view that Albert Easy is winning, he's so
Speaker 7: far in front they expect to push people into accepting
Speaker 7: that and going along with it.
Speaker 2: So so true, it's.
Speaker 7: Not to be believed that this is exactly the way
Speaker 7: it's all going. Those individual seats are very different, and
Speaker 7: it was famously Tip O'Neill, the former Speaker of the
Speaker 7: United States Congress, who said that all politics is local,
Speaker 7: and very much in these seats a local issues that
Speaker 7: are going to be relevant to the finish. So I
Speaker 7: think that Peter Dutton has got to be very forceful
Speaker 7: coming forward in these last days and push the fact
Speaker 7: that whatever Albanezi has offered you is usually off in
Speaker 7: the future. What the opposition is offering is relief from
Speaker 7: the cost of living now, and the reduction in the
Speaker 7: petrol tax is first and foremost that clicks in immediately
Speaker 7: and affects the cost of everything, absolutely everything, because this
Speaker 7: country runs on diesel. So and the fact that he
Speaker 7: needs to point out what's in the wings, what they're
Speaker 7: going to give Australian people should they get back. And
Speaker 7: I just think that everything about Albanesi and his campaign
Speaker 7: is fake, even down to what has happened today. I'm
Speaker 7: pleased there's been a pause to recognize this.
Speaker 2: It's going to come to that in a moment actually.
Speaker 7: But I just find Alberanzi to be so professing today,
Speaker 7: but refusing to take an oath on the Bible to
Speaker 7: be sworn in as prime minister somehow just doesn't rest easily.
Speaker 2: And the attacks on tourney out of it. Absolutely all
Speaker 2: this rejection of religion.
Speaker 7: Yes, and suddenly it's vital, But to me it's important
Speaker 7: for other reasons, which we'll discuss its.
Speaker 3: Going exactly in a moment, the political reasons behind him
Speaker 3: doing that. Steve, you know, I want to get your
Speaker 3: thoughts on what I've had to say about the state
Speaker 3: of play.
Speaker 2: At the moment.
Speaker 3: I mean one of the main seats where the coalition
Speaker 3: is really looking to pick up what were.
Speaker 2: Very safe labor seats is Victoria.
Speaker 3: You know, do you see this mood, this rejection of
Speaker 3: the prime minister continuing in your state.
Speaker 8: It was really interesting what you said at the beginning
Speaker 8: of the program, because what I picked up today and
Speaker 8: you made the point that the Liberal Party had held
Speaker 8: back a lot of their campaign funding and now they're
Speaker 8: going to let it loose. In the last week and
Speaker 8: a half, listening to three AW, the main talkback radio
Speaker 8: station in Melbourne to day, in every ad break from
Speaker 8: around about seven in the morning until around midday, there
Speaker 8: was a Peter Dutton voiced ad talking about what he
Speaker 8: was going to offer Victorians. Now three OW is slightly
Speaker 8: less conservative than my old station two GiB in Sydney,
Speaker 8: and it's got a massive audience. The for show rates
Speaker 8: twenty percent, their morning show rates fourteen to fifteen percent,
Speaker 8: and their audience and I know because I used to
Speaker 8: run the joint. It's all spread through the outer ring
Speaker 8: suburbs of Melbourne where all those seats you just mentioned are,
Speaker 8: and they're now hammering, hammering, hammering the positive messages from
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton on that radio station. They would have spent
Speaker 8: tens of thousands, if not over one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 8: in one day. And that's going to happen over and
Speaker 8: over and over again. And I think Victoria is still
Speaker 8: a place to keep your eye on and Brommin talks
Speaker 8: about thirteen seats and so do you you know there
Speaker 8: could be eight, nine, ten seats in Victoria alone if
Speaker 8: you believe what you're hearing on the ground and as
Speaker 8: you said, voting today.
Speaker 3: If that's true, Steve, if the swing really is on
Speaker 3: in Victoria, then you know, pushes the size of Dutton's
Speaker 3: when up much more because he's going to pick up
Speaker 3: a few in New South Wales. I mean, you say
Speaker 3: that is getting more difficult, but he's going to pick
Speaker 3: up a few South Wales potentially one in a couple
Speaker 3: of other states. So if it is that big in
Speaker 3: Victoria that he's in a position to form minority government.
Speaker 8: The labor brand here is so toxic. And I've said
Speaker 8: it to you before, but it happened again last weekend
Speaker 8: where we find out that during COVID, Daniel Andrews, the Premier,
Speaker 8: was telling us he was taking medical advice. There's now
Speaker 8: documents that show that he was the one who decided
Speaker 8: to have a curfew where no one could go out
Speaker 8: of their house after nine o'clock at night and couldn't
Speaker 8: go out before five o'clock in the morning. That was
Speaker 8: a decision taken by a labor politician. The only labor
Speaker 8: politician still in power who was in the cabinet that
Speaker 8: made that decision is the current premier. So the people
Speaker 8: of Victoria don't like labor and they're not saying, oh well,
Speaker 8: Anthony Albanize is different to what Dan Andrews and just
Speaker 8: Cinder Allen the life. They are saying, do we really
Speaker 8: want this mob to be in charge of us again?
Speaker 3: That is such a scat and all that big exclusive
Speaker 3: revealed by the Herald son that you know, instead of
Speaker 3: getting health advice, he got advice from polsters, literally polsters.
Speaker 3: You know there are young I don't know children, but
Speaker 3: teenagers who committed suicide. Their mental health issues were so
Speaker 3: bad Brunwan during the COVID lockdowns as a result of
Speaker 3: the decisions Daniel Andrews took for his own popularity against
Speaker 3: health advice.
Speaker 7: Absolutely and we all really thought that that what was
Speaker 7: going on at the time. I have to say, but
Speaker 7: to now to have the proof of us and no
Speaker 7: wonder you've got builders who won't build a house for him,
Speaker 7: more other people who won't leaving associate with people. I
Speaker 7: just feel that Victoria was served so badly under labor
Speaker 7: that that feeling still there. It does remind me a
Speaker 7: bit of nineteen ninety when Andrew Peacock won nine seats
Speaker 7: in Victoria. It was New South Wales that let him
Speaker 7: down and not winning that election, and New South Wales's
Speaker 7: time won't be letting the Coalition down.
Speaker 3: No, there's still plenty of seats or not as many
Speaker 3: of course, but still plenty to pick up in New
Speaker 3: South Wales. Steve, I want to get your reaction, you know,
Speaker 3: returning to the Pope's passing what I spoke about with Brunwin.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister today said there'll be a pause in campaigning,
Speaker 3: a pause in the hostilities. You know, he suddenly cares
Speaker 3: about Catholicism when he's mocked it in the past.
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy here.
Speaker 8: Well, as Bromin said he refused to take the oath
Speaker 8: on the Bible when he was sworn in as Prime Minister.
Speaker 8: If you go back and look at the history of
Speaker 8: Anthony Albanesi in his relationship with religion, I'm not sure
Speaker 8: you're going to find a very staunch Catholic. I mean
Speaker 8: he certainly he mocked Tony Abbott, he called him the
Speaker 8: mad Monk I mean to suddenly decide that the death
Speaker 8: of the pope means that you're suddenly yourself a staunch Catholic. Look,
Speaker 8: maybe Anthony and Albaneze he's had a late life conversion
Speaker 8: to religion. But if you'd ask me a question a
Speaker 8: two weeks ago whether I thought Anthony Alberanezi was particularly religious,
Speaker 8: I would have said no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's never said that he is religious. Brow
Speaker 3: this would have been politically advantageous for him, as you
Speaker 3: were about to say before, one in five Australians are Catholic,
Speaker 3: and it would have given him more time to prepare
Speaker 3: for the debate tonight.
Speaker 2: And of course he doesn't want.
Speaker 3: There to be any campaigning days because that works in
Speaker 3: Darden's advantage.
Speaker 7: It also gave him good pictures. But on that question
Speaker 7: of the porting of the campaign, I approve of that
Speaker 7: because this is a country where the dominant religion is Christian. Yes,
Speaker 7: this country was founded on Christian values and principles, and
Speaker 7: I think it is appropriate, and I'm saying this is
Speaker 7: a Protestant. I think it is appropriate that the marking
Speaker 7: of the Pope's passing is recognized in this way to
Speaker 7: say that this is who we are as a people
Speaker 7: in the nation, and I think that's very important.
Speaker 3: No, I agree with you, And we gave a lot
Speaker 3: of coverage on the show last night to the Pope's passing,
Speaker 3: which happened just before we went to air, because religion
Speaker 3: is important and he is not only an historic figure,
Speaker 3: but he was incredibly inspirational to billions of Catholics around
Speaker 3: the world and other.
Speaker 2: People as well. And we're going to cross live to
Speaker 2: the Vatican in a moment.
Speaker 3: As I said, Steve, I want to ask you now,
Speaker 3: let's show this video Max Weifer.
Speaker 2: You might remember him.
Speaker 3: He's the Israeli influencer who showed those nurses making those
Speaker 3: very offensive and he submitted comments about Israelis that they'd
Speaker 3: kill Israelis if they went into the hospital. They've now
Speaker 3: been charged and they're making their way through the court system. Well,
Speaker 3: Max Weber has captured another Australian doing the Nazis.
Speaker 2: Have a look at this. What's good man?
Speaker 1: What's that juice?
Speaker 8: Why you.
Speaker 5: Pokustanding people?
Speaker 2: We didn't pakistanding before we free purchased there.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why we've blurred his image. But if
Speaker 3: you've got a Max Viifa's Instagram account. You can see
Speaker 3: the full thing there, Steve. We don't know who this
Speaker 3: individual is, but you know, just appalling the prevalence of
Speaker 3: this sort of attitude online at the moment and how
Speaker 3: people are embracing the hitless salute.
Speaker 8: It's appalling and it does remind us soon as you said,
Speaker 8: this is going through the court, so you go back
Speaker 8: to the original vision video that he captured and it
Speaker 8: gave us a very stark insight into just how bad
Speaker 8: the anti Semitism has become in our country. And I
Speaker 8: think it's shocked. I mean, we have seen over and
Speaker 8: over and over and over again just how bad it is.
Speaker 8: It's interesting that it's not been a part of the
Speaker 8: election campaign really. I mean, of all the debates that
Speaker 8: we've had, I haven't seen someone nail the Prime Minister
Speaker 8: on how weak the government was post October seven. And
Speaker 8: they never really came out and slammed as hard as
Speaker 8: they should have what was going on around the suburbs
Speaker 8: of Australia. I don't believe they have anyway. I think
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton was much tougher and much harder on that,
Speaker 8: and I just hope somebody gets the opportunity to ask
Speaker 8: Anthony Alberanezi before election day, do you think now today,
Speaker 8: right now, before we go to the polls on the third,
Speaker 8: that you've done enough to support the Jewish people of Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 7: How can he possibly say that when Drayfus has preferenced
Speaker 7: the Greens, you possibly believe that there's been any sincerity
Speaker 7: in anything that Albinizi has had to say about the
Speaker 7: antisemitism in this country. When the senior person in the
Speaker 7: law in this country, who is a Jewish person himself,
Speaker 7: is preferencing the hideous Greens.
Speaker 2: Says it all massive betrayal. And absolutely we've seen in so.
Speaker 3: Many seats today because finally today of course we see
Speaker 3: everyone's how to vote cards and we're seeing in so
Speaker 3: many seats, well, the Greens aren't preferencing labor. Second, so
Speaker 3: why couldn't Mike Dreyfus, as the attorney journalist, as you say,
Speaker 3: is the most senior Jewish member of the government, why
Speaker 3: couldn't he come out and say I'm not going to
Speaker 3: preference the Greens.
Speaker 7: Second, it is because Alberanizi has told him he can't
Speaker 7: and he's weak enough to give in.
Speaker 3: And then on that you know, as I spoke about
Speaker 3: last night, Josh Burns was blocked from coming on my
Speaker 3: speak about this, and then Steve Price today will again
Speaker 3: revelations in The Australian that Josh Burns Anthony Alberaneze has
Speaker 3: stopped Josh from taking questions at a press conference also
Speaker 3: about this issue.
Speaker 8: And Josh had the guts and courage to have an
Speaker 8: open ticket where he's not preferencing anybody, which he would
Speaker 8: have been criticized internally for making that decision, but good
Speaker 8: on him he did it. But Drafa, says Roman points out,
Speaker 8: I mean that is just a scandal that he would
Speaker 8: preference a party like the Greens that have marched in
Speaker 8: all of these pro Palestinian rallies weekend after weekend after weekend.
Speaker 8: Their own members of Parliament have stood up there and
Speaker 8: been absolutely appalling in some of the things they've said.
Speaker 8: So Labour's got form on this and people have got
Speaker 8: to realize that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, all right, Steve Price, Broman, Bishop, thank you
Speaker 3: both so much. Now, it's been an emotional twenty four
Speaker 3: hours for Catholics around the world with Pope Francis's passing.
Speaker 3: There's been an outpouring of grief in the Vatican as
Speaker 3: crowds have gathered to pay their respects, and today we
Speaker 3: also saw footage of the Pope it is coffin for
Speaker 3: the first time. Now, this may be confronting to look out,
Speaker 3: so just a warning there, and it is surreal to
Speaker 3: see these images of the Pope in his coffin. Now,
Speaker 3: let's bring it now, news cop European correspondent Sophie Ellsworth.
Speaker 3: She's in the Vatican City and joins us live. Sophie,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time talk us through
Speaker 3: what's happened today in the past twenty four hours since
Speaker 3: Pope Francis passed away.
Speaker 9: Well, Sharrier, as you can see, it's a beautiful day
Speaker 9: here at Vatican City and there's thousands of people streaming
Speaker 9: into the Italian capital to remember Pope Francis. There's so
Speaker 9: many people continuing to flock to the city.
Speaker 1: The crowds are building very quickly.
Speaker 9: We've had airports in a dated with people flying in,
Speaker 9: hotel bookings going crazy. There's a real buzz around here, Sharry,
Speaker 9: despite it being a very somber time and many people
Speaker 9: very saddened by the passing.
Speaker 1: Of Pope Francis.
Speaker 9: Many people are here also to celebrate his life and
Speaker 9: also celebrate the work he did leading the church for
Speaker 9: twelve years. So there's people arriving here at the moment
Speaker 9: with flowers. There's lots of family members gathering together. There's
Speaker 9: worshipers who have arrived in groups. But we're seeing that obviously, Shary.
Speaker 9: There's several days to the funeral yet, but the crowds
Speaker 9: are already enormous. So people are thinking of coming to
Speaker 9: Vatican City for the funeral, they need to make their
Speaker 9: arrangements pretty quickly because this place is really filling up.
Speaker 3: So yes, as you just said, the funeral is still
Speaker 3: to come or be held on Saturday, twenty seventh of April.
Speaker 3: What can you tell us about those details and whether
Speaker 3: or not the Vatican will fulfill the Pope's wishes to
Speaker 3: have a more pared back procession, So.
Speaker 1: Sharry, we don't know one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 9: The last I heard when I checked here with Vatican
Speaker 9: everyone saying Saturday is the most likely day for the funeral,
Speaker 9: but was still waiting for details on that. But yes,
Speaker 9: he has made his wishes very clear that he wanted
Speaker 9: a scale back you know, commemoration.
Speaker 1: Of his life. He didn't want the big fan bed.
Speaker 9: It traditionally goes with the funerals of pontiffs, so we're
Speaker 9: waiting to hear those details, but they are being thrashed
Speaker 9: out as we speak, Shari, So many people are waiting
Speaker 9: to hear exactly when it will be the details of
Speaker 9: it and the arrangement that he will want. But tomorrow
Speaker 9: his body will be for viewing at inside Saint Peter's Basilica,
Speaker 9: where many people are expected to stream here again hoping
Speaker 9: to catch a glimpse of him ahead of the funeral,
Speaker 9: most likely on the weekend.
Speaker 3: Now, Sophy, turning to the next pope and the process
Speaker 3: that will happen in terms of how that pope is chosen.
Speaker 3: Can you talk us through a bit about that process
Speaker 3: and also who the leading candidates are, at least what's
Speaker 3: being reported in the media.
Speaker 1: Sure, Sharry.
Speaker 9: So there's basically they will start the process, the conclave process,
Speaker 9: between sixteen and twenty days after the death of Pope Francis,
Speaker 9: so there's still some time for this official process to begin.
Speaker 9: There's one hundred and thirty seven cardinals who are eligible
Speaker 9: to vote. They must be under eighty years of age,
Speaker 9: so they will gather together at the Sistine Chapel and
Speaker 9: thrash out their voting in terms.
Speaker 1: Of pointing in new pontiff.
Speaker 9: Now, there are a couple of key candidates and one
Speaker 9: of them is Filipino Cardinal Tagli. Now he's one of
Speaker 9: the names that keeps being bandied around. He's very progressive,
Speaker 9: like Pope Francis was on who is in the running
Speaker 9: for this to take over.
Speaker 1: From Pope Francis.
Speaker 9: And also the Vatican Secretary is another one, Petro Harlon.
Speaker 9: His name is also being very much in the media here.
Speaker 9: He's been described as a safe set of hands. He
Speaker 9: is the Vatican Secretary, so he's also another contender. But
Speaker 9: look Sherry, it's a complicated process. I hope to do
Speaker 9: it quite quickly because it's not a good look for
Speaker 9: the Vatican if this process does take a lot of time.
Speaker 9: But of course everyone is waiting to get through the
Speaker 9: funeral before.
Speaker 1: That official process does take place.
Speaker 3: All right, Sophy Elsworth, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 3: us live from Vatican City. Now, just a quick update
Speaker 3: to the Ben Robert Smith appeal, where the Victoria Cross
Speaker 3: recipient is calling for a retrial for the defamation finding
Speaker 3: as well to be set aside over what he claims
Speaker 3: is misconduct. Now, the case is set for the May
Speaker 3: first and May second, so late next week and nine
Speaker 3: journalist Nick McKenzie will take the stand and he'll face
Speaker 3: cross examination. This is all over the audio recording that
Speaker 3: we revealed where Nick McKenzie said he'd been actively briefed
Speaker 3: on Ben Roberts Smith's legal strategy.
Speaker 1: No, I shouldn't tell you.
Speaker 9: I've just preached my newthics in doing that, like this
Speaker 9: is where like this is position there if they knew.
Speaker 1: That, impet you that.
Speaker 3: And The Australian also reports that Robert Smith's lawyers have
Speaker 3: subpoenaed the ABC for any communications between Nick McKenzie and
Speaker 3: the Media Watch program. That's after Media Watch host Linton
Speaker 3: Besser put forward McKenzie's.
Speaker 2: Version of events.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: We'll continue to update you on this story, particularly.
Speaker 2: Next week, but for now still to come.
Speaker 3: The director of Freshwater Strategy, the polling company behind the
Speaker 3: Liberals campaign, will break down where the election's up to. Plus,
Speaker 3: Ray Hadley will fire up about Minique right, and I'll
Speaker 3: show you the new footage where she refused to take
Speaker 3: questions on three separate occasions.
Speaker 2: Today, Ray Hadley and that footage after this quick break
Speaker 2: welcome back. Well you would have seen this by now.
Speaker 3: Of course, Minniku Ran turning her back on Laura Jay's
Speaker 3: this morning.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we don't want to interrupt, but we just
Speaker 2: wanted to.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we are well in the interest of fitters transparency.
Speaker 3: We just thought maybe we just want to know how
Speaker 3: your campaign's going.
Speaker 2: This morning's going well.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Lauren.
Speaker 4: I am here to engage your photos.
Speaker 1: Through a prepole.
Speaker 2: It's a little litery.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm not sure that it's really ideal for
Speaker 7: you to be interrupting the process.
Speaker 2: Have you had any other have you ready?
Speaker 3: Well, this was live on air and it quickly made
Speaker 3: the news. So you'd think Minnie Ran would have learnt
Speaker 3: her lesson after that, but sadly not, because then she
Speaker 3: refused to speak to The Australian Today as well.
Speaker 2: I towers play so arre.
Speaker 1: You from Movie Australia. We're not taking it that way through?
Speaker 6: Can I details that I can refer?
Speaker 3: I mean, she's right there. Why can't she speak for herself?
Speaker 3: But that wasn't aw Here's another clip where Minnie Grin
Speaker 3: refused to engage with a voter about her own voting record.
Speaker 2: In parliament rather engage.
Speaker 1: Experts. There's lots of one.
Speaker 9: Excuse me, I just refer you to the next website
Speaker 9: that statements.
Speaker 2: As we just stick to.
Speaker 1: Talking to.
Speaker 2: I'm a voter too, I would refer you to her website.
Speaker 2: So much for transparency.
Speaker 3: And on that note, Ray Hardley joins me, Now, Ray,
Speaker 3: what is wrong with these deals?
Speaker 2: And how frustrating is Manique rayt Well, it's.
Speaker 10: One thing to say too, that a light for Laura Jays,
Speaker 10: who is an outstanding journalist and the Australian journalist. Look,
Speaker 10: I'm here to talk to my constituents, but then we're
Speaker 10: one of the constituents. What to put a question to us?
Speaker 10: She refused that as well as polite as Laura isn't
Speaker 10: the main I think she may be wanting to ask
Speaker 10: her about the clandestine stealing of election posters in the
Speaker 10: dark of night, allegedly by someone very close to her.
Speaker 10: So look, if she is returned to Parliament, it will
Speaker 10: be one of the great disgraces to conduct yourself in
Speaker 10: that fashion two weeks out from the election and not
Speaker 10: allow questioning from a journalist or even your constituents. But
Speaker 10: there's another story breaking this afternoon Tonight, James Willis from
Speaker 10: the Telegraph had just published that Nikola Boola has now
Speaker 10: confirmed that she paid the four non English speaking gentlemen
Speaker 10: to put up core flutes around the seat of Bradfield
Speaker 10: in northern Sydney. She's also refusing to exceeded the request
Speaker 10: from the power company to take the core flutes down.
Speaker 10: She says, no, legally, I'm not going to take them down.
Speaker 10: She's confirmed she paid for it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 10: This is a woman she hasn't been to Parliament yet.
Speaker 10: She lost last time and she hopefully will lose this
Speaker 10: time as well, who, of course, is most notoriously known
Speaker 10: for making sexually inappropriate comments to a nine year old hairdresser.
Speaker 10: And she's brazen.
Speaker 1: She's bold.
Speaker 10: She's out there and now admitting that she paid for
Speaker 10: these blakes who told people in the street where they're
Speaker 10: putting up to you know, I can't use the expression,
Speaker 10: but everyone knows what they said to them in the
Speaker 10: most derogatory way. She's paying these oaths, these thugs to
Speaker 10: abuse her constituents. If she wins, that'll be a bigger
Speaker 10: disgrace than Menique Rhyan, I would think.
Speaker 2: And that story's on the Telly website now.
Speaker 3: But then we learn that Clive Palmer is preferencing the
Speaker 3: deals over the coalition.
Speaker 2: I mean, what's wrong with this guy?
Speaker 10: Well is a gift that keeps on giving Clive. I've
Speaker 10: often said that people are under more pressure than his
Speaker 10: belt buckle. But in relation to Clive, I only fell
Speaker 10: based over apex. I thought, now it must be a misprint.
Speaker 10: Someone's got a a at, so to speak. But it's right.
Speaker 10: In fact, one of his candidates has now withdrawn and
Speaker 10: he's lending their support to the liberal candidate in that area.
Speaker 10: I just don't know, given that he's a mining magnate,
Speaker 10: given that he gets back to his money from that
Speaker 10: and other interests, how he could support the Teals is
Speaker 10: beyond me. I mean, please, Clive, I know you've never
Speaker 10: listened to me, but for once in your life, do
Speaker 10: the right thing and change that immediately.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reprint the heart of vote cards, which is what the.
Speaker 10: One one nation have done.
Speaker 1: They've done.
Speaker 10: Good luck to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean, looking at the Teals, what's your sense
Speaker 3: of how many of them will lose their seats this election?
Speaker 3: Because the TiAl movement really was a rejection by many
Speaker 3: Conservatives of Scott Morrison.
Speaker 2: I like Scott Morrison. You like Scott Morrison. You know
Speaker 2: the public did it?
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you know they'd been there for a while,
Speaker 10: so they decided the public that twenty twenty two was
Speaker 10: the end of the section for him. But look the
Speaker 10: teals while ever they have the taint of funding from
Speaker 10: Climate two hundred drooped around their neck. They can't be
Speaker 10: taken seriously. It's what I say all the time. They say,
Speaker 10: not as we do, but do as we say. And
Speaker 10: by the way, I did hear your introduction about the polls,
Speaker 10: which I was most interested. I did a piece this
Speaker 10: morning on the Daily Telegraph website about all of this.
Speaker 10: And you don't have to go back to John Howard
Speaker 10: in twenty nineteen. Scott Morrison, from the day the election
Speaker 10: was called in April until the day it was run,
Speaker 10: lost every poll, not just the news poll. There are
Speaker 10: six or seven polls conducted by repidable companies. He lost
Speaker 10: every one. It was fifty two, forty eight, fifty one,
Speaker 10: forty nine all the way through, and then a Galaxy
Speaker 10: exit poll on the day of the election scored it
Speaker 10: fifty two to forty eight to Bill Shorten. Now I'm
Speaker 10: not going to bag Poles was they're trying to do
Speaker 10: their best with the information supplied to them. But if
Speaker 10: we and I've been guilty of it on this program
Speaker 10: in another area of saying, oh, the Poles aren't looking good,
Speaker 10: I had to give myself an uppercut when I went
Speaker 10: through the twenty nineteen results to say, well, hang on
Speaker 10: a sec. Morrison was never going to win. But he won.
Speaker 2: But it's like everyone forgets that.
Speaker 3: It's like there's this case of voter amnesia where journalists go, oh,
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's running out of time. You know, even at
Speaker 3: very credible publications, Oh, Peter Dutton's running out of time
Speaker 3: because the Poles say he's.
Speaker 2: Going to lose.
Speaker 3: Well, you know that's not an accurate reflection necessarily. I
Speaker 3: think it's still probably looking like I hung Parliament at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: I don't look.
Speaker 10: I don't think that, even me allowing for the Poles
Speaker 10: being wrong, that Peter can rule a majority. I think
Speaker 10: the best he can hope for the minority complete show
Speaker 10: that would be a shock and still the favorite option
Speaker 10: is Anthony Albanezi minority. But you know, I think after
Speaker 10: the first week we all took a deep breath and
Speaker 10: thought that wasn't a great week, and then the second,
Speaker 10: then the third. But you know, I went past a
Speaker 10: polling birth today in the Hills area to have a
Speaker 10: bit of a look around. The place was packed. I've
Speaker 10: never seen so many people pre polling as I saw today.
Speaker 10: I mean, that's a safe liberal seat you out that
Speaker 10: way with Alex Hawking command. But the number of people
Speaker 10: who were out there, and that's one of the keys
Speaker 10: to the last couple of elections, the number of pre
Speaker 10: poll votes that are taken. People have got used to that.
Speaker 10: The only que up even for a sausage sandwhich at
Speaker 10: the public school on a Saturday morning, they go and
Speaker 10: do it now when they've got a bit more.
Speaker 2: Leisure time, convenient the case. But yeah, it has changed.
Speaker 3: It's not a snapshot in time on that particular day.
Speaker 3: It is now the majority of voters vote in advance
Speaker 3: that was at the last election.
Speaker 2: It'll be even bigger now, right, Great to see you.
Speaker 3: We'll see you next week and it'll be her last
Speaker 3: show until before the election, so we'll.
Speaker 2: Get a final prediction then.
Speaker 10: Well, I can only keep my fingers crossed. I think
Speaker 10: people know what I'm hoping for. Whether I get my
Speaker 10: wishes another thing still to come.
Speaker 3: Dave Sharma will give his verdict on the latest contest
Speaker 3: between alban Easy and Dutton, plus how safe labor seats
Speaker 3: could fold the coalision. Freshwater Strategy director Leo Shanahan will
Speaker 3: join us next. Welcome back, and joining me now is
Speaker 3: director of Freshwater Strategy, Leo Shanahan.
Speaker 2: Leo, great to see you.
Speaker 3: Thank Sure, of course, yours is the company that does
Speaker 3: the polling for the Liberals, but you specifically aren't the pollster,
Speaker 3: as I said earlier in the show.
Speaker 2: That's Michael Turner.
Speaker 3: But I want to ask you about this disconnect between
Speaker 3: what we're seeing in the national polls and what the
Speaker 3: seat by seat analysis is telling us about where this
Speaker 3: election is up to.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not going to go into
Speaker 11: seat by seat I don't honestly, I don't know, but
Speaker 11: I would say this the national polls. There's nothing wrong
Speaker 11: with the national polls as such that you know, they're
Speaker 11: done by very good pulses. I think that sometimes interpretations
Speaker 11: of national polls, though, can lead people into thinking there
Speaker 11: are certain there's necessary trends on seat by seat basis
Speaker 11: that don't necessarily exist. As you've said in your editorial.
Speaker 11: It can be a much more difficult fight on a
Speaker 11: seat to seat basis, much more hand to hand combat.
Speaker 11: I guess we're seeing in this election for seats that
Speaker 11: perhaps have higher margins that fall outside of the classic
Speaker 11: electoral landscape. So you might have a swing of say
Speaker 11: five percent, but seats at ten percent plus might actually
Speaker 11: be targets in this election. And I think that's changed
Speaker 11: a lot in recent elections. The electoral landscape has meant
Speaker 11: there's all these seats all over the place that are
Speaker 11: targets that perhaps weren't in the past.
Speaker 3: And even seats right next to each other might have
Speaker 3: completely different local issues. And one could be a target
Speaker 3: seat for the Liberal Party, but one right adjacent to
Speaker 3: it would be even if it's marginis smaller, you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't hope to win.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think that's a lot to do with
Speaker 11: the sitting members and the makeup in those the small
Speaker 11: differences that occur in those seats, and not on a
Speaker 11: demographic basis, but sitting members, the work they've put in
Speaker 11: their recognition matters a lot.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 3: Cost of living, as we know, is the biggest issue
Speaker 3: affecting Australians right now, and it's followed in your research
Speaker 3: at some distance really housing consistently.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Most voters believe that Australia is heading in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3: That's fifty five percent of Australians.
Speaker 2: So Leah, given this, these are the critical issues this campaign.
Speaker 3: Why hasn't the Coalition been able to fully capitalize on this?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 11: I think for starters, the Coalition has actually done pretty
Speaker 11: well to be in this position, and at times I
Speaker 11: think people need to sit back and recognize that fact
Speaker 11: that what you know, they're being asked to do is
Speaker 11: something that hasn't been done since pre war in Australia,
Speaker 11: which is great to pressure. Yes, exactly. So. I think
Speaker 11: that though a couple of factors have helped Labor and
Speaker 11: the run into the campaign. The interest rate cut I
Speaker 11: think undeniably helped. That was, you know, something that people
Speaker 11: could recognize, it's money in the pocket. I think competing
Speaker 11: arguments around tax as some people have gone, well, they've
Speaker 11: got this, they're offering this tax cut, they're offering this
Speaker 11: tax cut. Is there any real difference between the two.
Speaker 11: And I think that as well, the framing of Peter
Speaker 11: Dutton by the Labor Party at times, this Trumpian notion
Speaker 11: hasn't really helped, So I think those are factors that
Speaker 11: have hurt.
Speaker 2: But you know, the Madi scare and other campaigns.
Speaker 11: And as you said, healthcare is still a major issue
Speaker 11: in this country and rightly so.
Speaker 3: Now your research or freshwater research rather shows the Liberals
Speaker 3: picking up some safe labor seats. Can you tell us
Speaker 3: what the seats are that the targeting here?
Speaker 11: Well, I mean look on our last model, which was
Speaker 11: public polling we've done, which we do as well with
Speaker 11: the Financial Review. We had seats like Ashton, Chisholm, McEwen
Speaker 11: in Victoria, Gilmore Patterson w A. Bullwinkle in NT which
Speaker 11: is hard to poll, but Bengari's it definitely you know,
Speaker 11: obviously a target there Ryan in Queensland. So these were
Speaker 11: seats which you know we've made clear on the swing
Speaker 11: to be projected, the coalition could could well pick up,
Speaker 11: but it should be set. On our national polling, the
Speaker 11: coalition is short of seventy seats as well. It's picking
Speaker 11: up only about five or six sorry, but it's short.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it gets to around sixty six on
Speaker 3: your national based on the uniform swing. Yeah, but obviously
Speaker 3: that's the national pole and not the seat BA seat
Speaker 3: research that we've been speaking about tonight. All right, Leah Shanahan,
Speaker 3: great to see you, Thank you very much for the insights.
Speaker 3: Thank surey all right, quick break now, and then Dave
Speaker 3: Sharma will give his verdict on alban Ezi and Dutton's
Speaker 3: latest clash, and in it Albanizi is pressed on his
Speaker 3: deal with the Greens. That's after this quick break. Welcome back,
Speaker 3: and I'm joined now by Liberal Senator Dave Sharma.
Speaker 2: Dave, great to see you. Now.
Speaker 3: While we've been on air tonight, there was another debate
Speaker 3: between Peter Dutton and Anthony Alberizi and Channel nine. I
Speaker 3: obviously didn't watch it, but I'm told that it is
Speaker 3: that it was such a dull and boring debate, but
Speaker 3: that this was one of the key moments when Albanizie
Speaker 3: was pressed on the preference deal with the Greens. Have
Speaker 3: a look, will you do a deal with minority parties?
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, No, mister Dutton, not.
Speaker 4: With the Greens, but with independence. And that's not a
Speaker 4: truthful answer from the Prime Minister there. This is it's
Speaker 4: not that the Labor Party will fall ou themselves to
Speaker 4: do a deal with the Greens. It's just it's just
Speaker 4: you preference them.
Speaker 6: Preference truth put forward, put forward by Peter.
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma.
Speaker 3: The reality is, of course Albanesi would do a deal
Speaker 3: with the Greens. If there's a hung Parliament, will have
Speaker 3: a radical Green left government.
Speaker 6: Of course, you would, just as Julia Gillard did in
Speaker 6: twenty ten. And I would point out that Anthony Alberanesi
Speaker 6: is doing deals with the Greens in nearly every seat
Speaker 6: around the country right now, preference deals. You've had people
Speaker 6: like Mark Dreyfus and Mike Freelander, senior members of the
Speaker 6: Australian Jewish community who've been pleaded with by leaders in
Speaker 6: the Australia Jeish community not to preference the Greens, but
Speaker 6: they've gone ahead and done it anywhere anyway. And that's
Speaker 6: a Labor headquarters direction and instigation.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Another moment tonight that's been reported is that Anthony Alberesi
Speaker 3: was accused by Peter Dutton.
Speaker 2: Dutton said to him, you.
Speaker 3: Can't lie straight in bed, so it really went him
Speaker 3: about this, this lying that Albanesi keeps being untruthful in
Speaker 3: the campaign. I heard Andrew Clonelle on a earlier tonight
Speaker 3: and that was even something that he was frustrated about,
Speaker 3: because you know, this can't become a feature of campaigns
Speaker 3: moving forward.
Speaker 2: What do you think about this, Well, I.
Speaker 6: Think Peter Dunden was right to call this out. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, I've found it incredibly frustrating during one of
Speaker 6: the first debates, and Anthony Alberenesi repeated this tonight. Is
Speaker 6: claims that the previous coalition government cut health and education. No,
Speaker 6: the previous coalation government didn't increase at the rate of
Speaker 6: spending that labor hoped it would be increased at, but
Speaker 6: a dollar amount that is increasing year on years, Peter
Speaker 6: out and pointed out is not a cut in anyone's
Speaker 6: terms and terminology. But Anthony Alberanesi repeats that, you know,
Speaker 6: they repeat the many scare lie. You know, it seems
Speaker 6: like they have no record to run on because the
Speaker 6: only thing they can try on, the only thing they're
Speaker 6: trying to campaign on is you know, a fear of
Speaker 6: Peter Dunnen and the Liberals. But you'd think first term
Speaker 6: government would have some records to point to, some achievements
Speaker 6: they could offer up to the electorate, some prospect of
Speaker 6: what they might do better in the next term. But
Speaker 6: there is none of this from Anthony Albanezy. I mean,
Speaker 6: the record is terrible and he has no vision for
Speaker 6: the next three years.
Speaker 3: Now, you were, of course the Liberal MP in Wentworth
Speaker 3: in Sydney's East, which you lost at the last election
Speaker 3: to the allegri Spender, and now of course you're a
Speaker 3: Liberal senator. You must be following the Wentworth contest closely.
Speaker 3: How do you see it going at the moment between
Speaker 3: Spender and Ronox, the Liberal candidate.
Speaker 6: Well, a couple of things.
Speaker 8: Look.
Speaker 6: Firstly, the Teals and associated groups so like you know,
Speaker 6: Climate two hundred and the Smart Energy Council and Danny
Speaker 6: Lick and others are spending a fortune year and that's
Speaker 6: clearly you know, that's repeat of twenty twenty two. One
Speaker 6: thing I've noticed though, is that the Teal candidates across
Speaker 6: the country seem to be quite happily fiarting laws, whether
Speaker 6: it's tearing down their opposite's campaign materials, whether it's putting
Speaker 6: up their own campaign materials on osgrid property which is
Speaker 6: illegal or at least unauthorized. They seem to take the
Speaker 6: view that the laws don't apply to them, which suggests
Speaker 6: to me that they are worried because they're throwing the
Speaker 6: kitchen sink at this They've thrown out the rule book,
Speaker 6: and I think they know that they don't have a
Speaker 6: record to run on. You know, they were elected with
Speaker 6: this great hope that they would do politics differently. Instead,
Speaker 6: they've turned out to be some of the most cynical
Speaker 6: operatives and they've achieved nothing in the Parliament.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think many people would argue with
Speaker 3: you about that, but just specifically how you think Wentworth
Speaker 3: is going at the moment and whether it is winnable
Speaker 3: for the Liberals at this election.
Speaker 6: I think it's absolutely winnable. I think we've got a
Speaker 6: strong candidate in Ronox who's been working hard to get
Speaker 6: to know the community or introduce yourself as a political
Speaker 6: candidate to the community. I think parts of this electorate
Speaker 6: are very unhappy with the Albanezy government. The Jewish community
Speaker 6: because of this government's demonization of his and it's fairly
Speaker 6: into combat antisemitism. But also many people who are dealing
Speaker 6: with high interest rates, infation, all those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: Cust of living is an issue everywhere, all right. Dave Shamoor,
Speaker 3: out of time, so great to see you again. And
Speaker 3: that's all we've got time for right now, here's Paul Murray.