WEBVTT - Sharri | 22 April 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.199 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:08.479 This is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.760 Tonight, exclusive Liberal party intel shows the election is much 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.560 closer than the poll suggests. I'll share these confidential details 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.200 and Liberal strategy for the final week in a moment. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:23.320 Plus, we'll hear tonight from. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.880 The director of Freshwater Strategy, the polling company behind the 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.760 Liberals campaign, and radio legend. Ray Hadley would join me 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.120 on the desk to speak about Minique Ryan's shocking day 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:39.240 where she refused to answer questions on three separate occasions. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.320 We've got new footage coming. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:45.360 Up, and we'll cross live to the Vatican as crowds gathered. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.280 To mourn Pope Francis. 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.360 On the show tonight, Bronwin, Bishop Dave Shama, Steve Price 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:52.560 and more. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.520 But first tonight. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.840 Exclusive inside information into the state of this election and 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.600 the truth about the polls. Polling booths are now open, 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:07.440 Australians are casting their votes and the election is anyone's 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.600 to win. Now Tonight, I'm going to tell you how 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.600 the polls you're reading in the news are wrong when 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.319 it comes to this federal election and what's really going 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.680 on here. Most national polls have been showing Labor ahead 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:27.000 and some have even pointed to majority government for Labor. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.240 But this is a fantasy. Now. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.399 You need to remember that the polls are simply a 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:38.200 national survey of around one three hundred or so voters. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.600 It's like a thumb in the wind to see the 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.440 national mood, and. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.640 The national polls pick up general trends and shifts in sentiment, 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.120 but in terms of accuracy for the election outcome, they 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:56.800 are categorically not the right tool for this particular election. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.559 Because this, more than any other is it's a hyper 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.280 localized election. It doesn't matter what the national opinion is 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.960 from one thousand or so voters out. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.680 Of eighteen million registered voters. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.200 It matters how the voters in the seats that are 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.520 in play will vote, and the Liberals are polling around 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.240 six hundred people in individual seats. Labor would be doing 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.919 the same. So you look at six hundred voters per 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:29.640 seat compared to one thousand people nationally, and when you 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.920 look at the results from this, there's no question Peter 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:38.960 Dutton is absolutely in the game. Liberal strategists are comparing 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.919 this election to nineteen ninety eight, when John Howard lost 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.680 the two party preferred vote at forty nine percent to 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:54.160 Beasley's nearly fifty one percent, but howard one majority government. Now, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.080 this election could be a case where Labor wins the 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.680 two PP vote the two party preferred vote, but Dutton 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:05.800 either has more seats or there's a hung parliament. A 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.160 likely outcome right now is that Dutton and alban Esi 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.760 both win seats in the highest sixties, and then it 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.639 would be who has the highest number and who can 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.840 negotiate to form government. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:20.600 Now, Labor does. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:24.160 Have the advantage here because the Greens and the Teals 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.920 would help Albanesi to form a radical green left government. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.480 It'd be even more out of step with Australia's Judeo 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.560 Christian values than the Albanesi. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.440 Government currently is. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:38.080 Now. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.200 A good outcome for Peter Dutton would be reaching seventy 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.680 seats or more, which would. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.520 Mean he'd have to pick up thirteen. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.640 Seats and the coalition currently holds fifty seven. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.920 Now it's a big ask, but. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.080 This all depends on how the next week and a 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:59.760 half of campaigning goes. Now here's some insight into Liberal 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:05.000 parts strategy. I can reveal that the vast majority of Liberals' 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.880 election spend is geared up from today onwards. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.200 That's millions of dollars. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.400 Dutton's team has held back the vast majority of their 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:20.000 election spending until now. Their view was that Easter would 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.800 be a reset and voters would start thinking about the 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.760 election when polling booths open. Now this could be a 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.200 genius movel. They could have just left their election spending 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:36.320 too late to make a difference. We know that Labour's 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:40.800 aggressive attack ads have taken a hit on Dutton's personal standing, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.960 never mind whether they're true or not, and we'll yet 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.440 to see whether the Liberals advertising spend on television and 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:53.080 online hurts Alvin Easy in turn. But either way, right 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:58.240 now the election is still highly competitive. One strategist said 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.320 to me that at the moment the Liberals are within 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.320 touching distance of being able to form a government, but 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:10.440 there's work to do. This is an important reminder that 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.279 the narrative suggested by the National polling that you keep 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.479 reading about that it's impossible for the coalition to win 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.320 and that Labor will form a majority government. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:22.480 This is inaccurate. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.640 It's why I have spent the time digging into the 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.400 difference between the published polling and the internal research to 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:35.600 bring you this information because it is crucial both Dutton 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.120 and alban Easy know this. They know it's tighter than 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.400 is being publicly suggested. And Peter Dutton even this morning 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.960 spoke about the twenty nineteen election when all the polling 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.520 said Bill Shotten would be Australia's Prime minister. It was 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:53.120 utterly wrong. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:55.880 I think if you have a look at the twenty 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.440 nineteen pole result, where all the public published polling was 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.359 pointing one way, the reality is that there was a 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.640 different outcome. Now I'm not going to go into the 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.599 private polling, but you'll see where the government's spending money 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.240 at the moment in their seats. They're defending seats at 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.080 the moment, they're not on the offensive. So I think 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.200 there's a bit more of a sophisticated view in relation 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.560 to the polling and what's happening at the moment. Australians 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.040 are hurting. That's the reality. 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:26.000 So Dartan, they're saying that their private polling is different 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.520 and reflects a different outcome to the published polls. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.480 It's also what National's. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.080 Leader David little Proud said in an interview last week 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.480 as well. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.000 I don't think the national polls are reflective of the 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.640 hyper local campaigns are taking place. There, and I think 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.919 to your point, it's exactly about cost of living about 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.120 in particularly as you get out of the inner suburbs 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.680 where there is not necessarily a bigger cost of living crisis. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.080 As these you get out further out, they're not feeling 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.200 it as much. And I think what's important is that 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.840 while we're not walking away from the national polls and 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.080 what they reflect, what we're what we're seeing now we're 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.080 internal polling, is that as you get out where Australians 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.359 are struggling and we're saying to them, we're going to 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.480 give you a tax cut of twelve hundred dollars an 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.920 individual twenty four hundred family. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.600 Now Anthony Alberanezi is getting cocky, but he knows this 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.720 election is much tighter than the perception in the media, 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.800 and he even warned publicly that, like Dudden said, this 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.000 could be a repeat of twenty nineteen when everyone said 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.000 Shorten was going to win. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:37.800 But did it. I remind colleagues that twenty nineteen. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:42.240 The book is paid out and guess what that didn't occur. 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.600 That was a very unwise thing to do. Now here's 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:47.200 something else. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.960 It's also worth keeping in mind that the pollsters behind 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.680 News poll are Pixis Polling and they do the polling 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.600 and research for the Labor Party. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.680 Now, I'm not saying newspoles inaccurate. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.160 I'm just saying it's worth keeping this in mind that 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.560 the polsters behind it are being paid by Labor, probably 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.240 millions of dollars. 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:11.080 Now. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.640 The Liberal Party's polling is done by Freshwater Strategy, where 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:19.760 the polster Mike Turner is considered the best in the business. Now, 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.600 where Labor is spending its money also unpicks the narrative 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:28.520 that it's confident of winning government. Labour's financial spend shows 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.880 it's putting money and resources into holding onto very safe seats. 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:38.000 Coalition analysis of Google and YouTube advertising spends shows that 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.200 Labor is spending the most on safe Labor seats and 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.880 these include Wills held by Peter Khalil on a margin 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.280 of four point six percent, where Labour spent one hundred 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.720 and twenty nine thousand dollars in the past month, Chisholm 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.360 held by Labour's Koreina Garland. This is on a margin 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.440 of three point three percent and Labour spent one hundred 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.880 and sixty thousand dollars the seat of Hawk as well, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.840 margin of seven point six percent and Labour spent one 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.480 hundred and eleven thousand. McEwen considered a safe seat again, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.920 Labour spent one hundred and ten thousand, and then Bruce 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.200 held by Julian Hill and a margin of over five percent, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.160 and Labour spent one hundred and nine thousand, and on 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:26.640 it goes. Now, this advertising spend is on digital advertising. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:31.280 It's how political parties now reach young voters who aren't 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.679 consuming traditional media just as much. 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.600 I mean, as you know, they're online the whole time. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.720 A coalition Sauce said that, and this is the coalition 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.960 Sauce quoted in the Australian. They said that Labor is 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:48.760 sandbagging in seats they claim they're not worried about and some. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.080 Of these are very safe labor seats. 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.800 Gorton, Hawk, McEwen and the ALP is pouring hundreds of 0:09:55.800 --> 0:10:00.480 thousands of dollars into retaining. Now in some seats, liberal 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.040 internal research shows that there are huge swings towards the coalition. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.360 It's been this way for months now, so big the 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:14.040 liberal strategists are describing it as historic. So the message 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.400 is this election is not over. Voters in key seats 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:23.760 are unhappy with alban Easy understandably so, and the polls 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:28.280 were disastrously wrong in twenty nineteen and again in the 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.400 recent American election, when many are predicted the result either 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.200 wouldn't be known for a week or more. All they 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:40.280 said Kamala Harris would win. Now, Australian polsters aren't more 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.720 sophisticated than the American sephologists. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.000 And despite the. 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.640 Sand and the hourglass quickly trickling, we're only on day 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.880 one of voting. The election isn't written in stone, and 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.840 at this point the outcome is still up for grabs. 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:04.760 Okay, we're going to cross. 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.040 Live to Vatican City shortly, but now for more analysis 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.280 on how the election's going, let's bring in former Speaker 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.960 of the House ronman Bishop and Sky News host Steve Price. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.280 Welcome to you both. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.440 Roman, What are your thoughts on what I've just said 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.800 there about this disconnect between the national mood that the 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.760 polls that we see pushed forward in the media that 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.640 give alb and Easy that confidence boost. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.920 He needs, you know, compared to what the. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.480 Individual's seat by seat research is showing in such a 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.120 hyperlocal campaign. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:41.400 Well, first point, I've always been working on the likelihood 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:45.160 of winning thirteen seats for the Opposition to be able 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.719 to form government. The second thing is that I've been 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.080 saying for some time like you, that the polling itself 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.959 has become a tool of campaigning yes, and by pushing 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.280 out this view that Albert Easy is winning, he's so 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.760 far in front they expect to push people into accepting 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.240 that and going along with it. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.000 So so true, it's. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.520 Not to be believed that this is exactly the way 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.920 it's all going. Those individual seats are very different, and 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.840 it was famously Tip O'Neill, the former Speaker of the 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.720 United States Congress, who said that all politics is local, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.719 and very much in these seats a local issues that 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:32.559 are going to be relevant to the finish. So I 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.360 think that Peter Dutton has got to be very forceful 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.400 coming forward in these last days and push the fact 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.200 that whatever Albanezi has offered you is usually off in 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.520 the future. What the opposition is offering is relief from 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.120 the cost of living now, and the reduction in the 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.040 petrol tax is first and foremost that clicks in immediately 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.839 and affects the cost of everything, absolutely everything, because this 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:06.240 country runs on diesel. So and the fact that he 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.439 needs to point out what's in the wings, what they're 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.960 going to give Australian people should they get back. And 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.640 I just think that everything about Albanesi and his campaign 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:22.720 is fake, even down to what has happened today. I'm 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.080 pleased there's been a pause to recognize this. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.319 It's going to come to that in a moment actually. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:32.760 But I just find Alberanzi to be so professing today, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.240 but refusing to take an oath on the Bible to 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:40.840 be sworn in as prime minister somehow just doesn't rest easily. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:46.640 And the attacks on tourney out of it. Absolutely all 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.640 this rejection of religion. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.600 Yes, and suddenly it's vital, But to me it's important 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.840 for other reasons, which we'll discuss its. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.520 Going exactly in a moment, the political reasons behind him 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.720 doing that. Steve, you know, I want to get your 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.360 thoughts on what I've had to say about the state 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:05.920 of play. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:06.360 At the moment. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.680 I mean one of the main seats where the coalition 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.000 is really looking to pick up what were. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.920 Very safe labor seats is Victoria. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:19.920 You know, do you see this mood, this rejection of 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.200 the prime minister continuing in your state. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.640 It was really interesting what you said at the beginning 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.920 of the program, because what I picked up today and 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.480 you made the point that the Liberal Party had held 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.920 back a lot of their campaign funding and now they're 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.120 going to let it loose. In the last week and 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.120 a half, listening to three AW, the main talkback radio 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.400 station in Melbourne to day, in every ad break from 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.600 around about seven in the morning until around midday, there 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.520 was a Peter Dutton voiced ad talking about what he 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.720 was going to offer Victorians. Now three OW is slightly 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.680 less conservative than my old station two GiB in Sydney, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.200 and it's got a massive audience. The for show rates 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.200 twenty percent, their morning show rates fourteen to fifteen percent, 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.520 and their audience and I know because I used to 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.840 run the joint. It's all spread through the outer ring 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.320 suburbs of Melbourne where all those seats you just mentioned are, 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:18.240 and they're now hammering, hammering, hammering the positive messages from 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.240 Peter Dutton on that radio station. They would have spent 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.440 tens of thousands, if not over one hundred thousand dollars 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.120 in one day. And that's going to happen over and 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.640 over and over again. And I think Victoria is still 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.280 a place to keep your eye on and Brommin talks 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.960 about thirteen seats and so do you you know there 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.760 could be eight, nine, ten seats in Victoria alone if 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.720 you believe what you're hearing on the ground and as 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.360 you said, voting today. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.600 If that's true, Steve, if the swing really is on 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.840 in Victoria, then you know, pushes the size of Dutton's 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.760 when up much more because he's going to pick up 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.320 a few in New South Wales. I mean, you say 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.480 that is getting more difficult, but he's going to pick 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.120 up a few South Wales potentially one in a couple 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.760 of other states. So if it is that big in 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:11.480 Victoria that he's in a position to form minority government. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.720 The labor brand here is so toxic. And I've said 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.440 it to you before, but it happened again last weekend 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.760 where we find out that during COVID, Daniel Andrews, the Premier, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.800 was telling us he was taking medical advice. There's now 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.640 documents that show that he was the one who decided 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.760 to have a curfew where no one could go out 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.120 of their house after nine o'clock at night and couldn't 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.040 go out before five o'clock in the morning. That was 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.120 a decision taken by a labor politician. The only labor 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.920 politician still in power who was in the cabinet that 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.720 made that decision is the current premier. So the people 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.800 of Victoria don't like labor and they're not saying, oh well, 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.200 Anthony Albanize is different to what Dan Andrews and just 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.240 Cinder Allen the life. They are saying, do we really 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.480 want this mob to be in charge of us again? 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.960 That is such a scat and all that big exclusive 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.600 revealed by the Herald son that you know, instead of 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:10.800 getting health advice, he got advice from polsters, literally polsters. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.080 You know there are young I don't know children, but 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.359 teenagers who committed suicide. Their mental health issues were so 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.760 bad Brunwan during the COVID lockdowns as a result of 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.840 the decisions Daniel Andrews took for his own popularity against 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:26.880 health advice. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:32.679 Absolutely and we all really thought that that what was 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.879 going on at the time. I have to say, but 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.199 to now to have the proof of us and no 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.200 wonder you've got builders who won't build a house for him, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.479 more other people who won't leaving associate with people. I 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.639 just feel that Victoria was served so badly under labor 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.199 that that feeling still there. It does remind me a 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.480 bit of nineteen ninety when Andrew Peacock won nine seats 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.080 in Victoria. It was New South Wales that let him 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.120 down and not winning that election, and New South Wales's 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.800 time won't be letting the Coalition down. 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.680 No, there's still plenty of seats or not as many 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.520 of course, but still plenty to pick up in New 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.280 South Wales. Steve, I want to get your reaction, you know, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.720 returning to the Pope's passing what I spoke about with Brunwin. 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.240 The Prime Minister today said there'll be a pause in campaigning, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:23.200 a pause in the hostilities. You know, he suddenly cares 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.240 about Catholicism when he's mocked it in the past. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:27.720 The hypocrisy here. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.040 Well, as Bromin said he refused to take the oath 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.919 on the Bible when he was sworn in as Prime Minister. 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.119 If you go back and look at the history of 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.600 Anthony Albanesi in his relationship with religion, I'm not sure 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.199 you're going to find a very staunch Catholic. I mean 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.919 he certainly he mocked Tony Abbott, he called him the 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.560 mad Monk I mean to suddenly decide that the death 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.399 of the pope means that you're suddenly yourself a staunch Catholic. Look, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.240 maybe Anthony and Albaneze he's had a late life conversion 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.520 to religion. But if you'd ask me a question a 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.480 two weeks ago whether I thought Anthony Alberanezi was particularly religious, 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:04.399 I would have said no. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.320 Yeah, and he's never said that he is religious. Brow 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.439 this would have been politically advantageous for him, as you 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:18.119 were about to say before, one in five Australians are Catholic, 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.200 and it would have given him more time to prepare 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.080 for the debate tonight. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.200 And of course he doesn't want. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.840 There to be any campaigning days because that works in 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:28.000 Darden's advantage. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:33.280 It also gave him good pictures. But on that question 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:39.000 of the porting of the campaign, I approve of that 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:45.000 because this is a country where the dominant religion is Christian. Yes, 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:50.080 this country was founded on Christian values and principles, and 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.399 I think it is appropriate, and I'm saying this is 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:57.040 a Protestant. I think it is appropriate that the marking 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:02.600 of the Pope's passing is recognized in this way to 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.080 say that this is who we are as a people 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.520 in the nation, and I think that's very important. 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.560 No, I agree with you, And we gave a lot 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.120 of coverage on the show last night to the Pope's passing, 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.639 which happened just before we went to air, because religion 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.280 is important and he is not only an historic figure, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:26.679 but he was incredibly inspirational to billions of Catholics around 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:27.800 the world and other. 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.800 People as well. And we're going to cross live to 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:30.800 the Vatican in a moment. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.320 As I said, Steve, I want to ask you now, 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.800 let's show this video Max Weifer. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:36.800 You might remember him. 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:43.359 He's the Israeli influencer who showed those nurses making those 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:48.040 very offensive and he submitted comments about Israelis that they'd 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.080 kill Israelis if they went into the hospital. They've now 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.280 been charged and they're making their way through the court system. Well, 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:59.800 Max Weber has captured another Australian doing the Nazis. 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.160 Have a look at this. What's good man? 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.120 What's that juice? 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.919 Why you. 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:12.760 Pokustanding people? 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.640 We didn't pakistanding before we free purchased there. 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.480 I'm not sure why we've blurred his image. But if 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.639 you've got a Max Viifa's Instagram account. You can see 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.800 the full thing there, Steve. We don't know who this 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:34.520 individual is, but you know, just appalling the prevalence of 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.480 this sort of attitude online at the moment and how 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.640 people are embracing the hitless salute. 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.800 It's appalling and it does remind us soon as you said, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:46.440 this is going through the court, so you go back 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:50.919 to the original vision video that he captured and it 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:56.000 gave us a very stark insight into just how bad 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.240 the anti Semitism has become in our country. And I 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.280 think it's shocked. I mean, we have seen over and 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:05.879 over and over and over again just how bad it is. 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.760 It's interesting that it's not been a part of the 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.919 election campaign really. I mean, of all the debates that 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:18.000 we've had, I haven't seen someone nail the Prime Minister 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:25.360 on how weak the government was post October seven. And 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:29.200 they never really came out and slammed as hard as 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.800 they should have what was going on around the suburbs 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.480 of Australia. I don't believe they have anyway. I think 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.000 Peter Dutton was much tougher and much harder on that, 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.240 and I just hope somebody gets the opportunity to ask 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:46.639 Anthony Alberanezi before election day, do you think now today, 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:48.960 right now, before we go to the polls on the third, 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:53.040 that you've done enough to support the Jewish people of Australia. 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:53.639 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.920 How can he possibly say that when Drayfus has preferenced 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:04.160 the Greens, you possibly believe that there's been any sincerity 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:07.240 in anything that Albinizi has had to say about the 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:12.800 antisemitism in this country. When the senior person in the 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:17.160 law in this country, who is a Jewish person himself, 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:21.600 is preferencing the hideous Greens. 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:26.200 Says it all massive betrayal. And absolutely we've seen in so. 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.680 Many seats today because finally today of course we see 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.719 everyone's how to vote cards and we're seeing in so 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:34.520 many seats, well, the Greens aren't preferencing labor. Second, so 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.520 why couldn't Mike Dreyfus, as the attorney journalist, as you say, 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:42.120 is the most senior Jewish member of the government, why 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.280 couldn't he come out and say I'm not going to 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:46.199 preference the Greens. 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:51.520 Second, it is because Alberanizi has told him he can't 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:54.320 and he's weak enough to give in. 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.360 And then on that you know, as I spoke about 0:23:57.400 --> 0:23:59.879 last night, Josh Burns was blocked from coming on my 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:04.399 speak about this, and then Steve Price today will again 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.439 revelations in The Australian that Josh Burns Anthony Alberaneze has 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.720 stopped Josh from taking questions at a press conference also 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:12.920 about this issue. 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.399 And Josh had the guts and courage to have an 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:22.080 open ticket where he's not preferencing anybody, which he would 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:26.200 have been criticized internally for making that decision, but good 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:30.000 on him he did it. But Drafa, says Roman points out, 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.560 I mean that is just a scandal that he would 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.960 preference a party like the Greens that have marched in 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.840 all of these pro Palestinian rallies weekend after weekend after weekend. 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.320 Their own members of Parliament have stood up there and 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:48.280 been absolutely appalling in some of the things they've said. 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.800 So Labour's got form on this and people have got 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:52.560 to realize that. 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.800 Yeah, exactly, all right, Steve Price, Broman, Bishop, thank you 0:24:55.840 --> 0:25:00.320 both so much. Now, it's been an emotional twenty four 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:04.080 hours for Catholics around the world with Pope Francis's passing. 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.760 There's been an outpouring of grief in the Vatican as 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.000 crowds have gathered to pay their respects, and today we 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.919 also saw footage of the Pope it is coffin for 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:16.320 the first time. Now, this may be confronting to look out, 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.439 so just a warning there, and it is surreal to 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:25.640 see these images of the Pope in his coffin. Now, 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:28.840 let's bring it now, news cop European correspondent Sophie Ellsworth. 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.680 She's in the Vatican City and joins us live. Sophie, 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.240 thank you very much for your time talk us through 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:37.200 what's happened today in the past twenty four hours since 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:41.400 Pope Francis passed away. 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:43.880 Well, Sharrier, as you can see, it's a beautiful day 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.200 here at Vatican City and there's thousands of people streaming 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:52.600 into the Italian capital to remember Pope Francis. There's so 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.399 many people continuing to flock to the city. 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:58.280 The crowds are building very quickly. 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:01.639 We've had airports in a dated with people flying in, 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:06.399 hotel bookings going crazy. There's a real buzz around here, Sharry, 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.600 despite it being a very somber time and many people 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:11.800 very saddened by the passing. 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:12.800 Of Pope Francis. 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.199 Many people are here also to celebrate his life and 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.720 also celebrate the work he did leading the church for 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.879 twelve years. So there's people arriving here at the moment 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:27.240 with flowers. There's lots of family members gathering together. There's 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:32.600 worshipers who have arrived in groups. But we're seeing that obviously, Shary. 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.920 There's several days to the funeral yet, but the crowds 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.760 are already enormous. So people are thinking of coming to 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.520 Vatican City for the funeral, they need to make their 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:45.960 arrangements pretty quickly because this place is really filling up. 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.720 So yes, as you just said, the funeral is still 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.520 to come or be held on Saturday, twenty seventh of April. 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:57.960 What can you tell us about those details and whether 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.520 or not the Vatican will fulfill the Pope's wishes to 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:06.600 have a more pared back procession, So. 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.520 Sharry, we don't know one hundred percent sure. 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.960 The last I heard when I checked here with Vatican 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:14.520 everyone saying Saturday is the most likely day for the funeral, 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.800 but was still waiting for details on that. But yes, 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.360 he has made his wishes very clear that he wanted 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:24.320 a scale back you know, commemoration. 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.280 Of his life. He didn't want the big fan bed. 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:31.320 It traditionally goes with the funerals of pontiffs, so we're 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.560 waiting to hear those details, but they are being thrashed 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.919 out as we speak, Shari, So many people are waiting 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.919 to hear exactly when it will be the details of 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.640 it and the arrangement that he will want. But tomorrow 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:48.920 his body will be for viewing at inside Saint Peter's Basilica, 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.879 where many people are expected to stream here again hoping 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.480 to catch a glimpse of him ahead of the funeral, 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:56.960 most likely on the weekend. 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:02.840 Now, Sophy, turning to the next pope and the process 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:07.399 that will happen in terms of how that pope is chosen. 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.000 Can you talk us through a bit about that process 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.880 and also who the leading candidates are, at least what's 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:18.840 being reported in the media. 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:18.240 Sure, Sharry. 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:22.720 So there's basically they will start the process, the conclave process, 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:27.280 between sixteen and twenty days after the death of Pope Francis, 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.280 so there's still some time for this official process to begin. 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.919 There's one hundred and thirty seven cardinals who are eligible 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.000 to vote. They must be under eighty years of age, 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.280 so they will gather together at the Sistine Chapel and 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.400 thrash out their voting in terms. 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:45.520 Of pointing in new pontiff. 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.320 Now, there are a couple of key candidates and one 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:52.000 of them is Filipino Cardinal Tagli. Now he's one of 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:56.640 the names that keeps being bandied around. He's very progressive, 0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.920 like Pope Francis was on who is in the running 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.560 for this to take over. 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:03.719 From Pope Francis. 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:08.240 And also the Vatican Secretary is another one, Petro Harlon. 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:13.360 His name is also being very much in the media here. 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.480 He's been described as a safe set of hands. He 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:21.280 is the Vatican Secretary, so he's also another contender. But 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:25.360 look Sherry, it's a complicated process. I hope to do 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:27.920 it quite quickly because it's not a good look for 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.000 the Vatican if this process does take a lot of time. 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.960 But of course everyone is waiting to get through the 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:35.000 funeral before. 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.920 That official process does take place. 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.080 All right, Sophy Elsworth, thank you so much for joining 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:44.080 us live from Vatican City. Now, just a quick update 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.960 to the Ben Robert Smith appeal, where the Victoria Cross 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:51.000 recipient is calling for a retrial for the defamation finding 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.080 as well to be set aside over what he claims 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.480 is misconduct. Now, the case is set for the May 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.880 first and May second, so late next week and nine 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.200 journalist Nick McKenzie will take the stand and he'll face 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.080 cross examination. This is all over the audio recording that 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:13.120 we revealed where Nick McKenzie said he'd been actively briefed 0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.680 on Ben Roberts Smith's legal strategy. 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:17.840 No, I shouldn't tell you. 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.160 I've just preached my newthics in doing that, like this 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:24.480 is where like this is position there if they knew. 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:25.400 That, impet you that. 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.719 And The Australian also reports that Robert Smith's lawyers have 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:36.440 subpoenaed the ABC for any communications between Nick McKenzie and 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.800 the Media Watch program. That's after Media Watch host Linton 0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.480 Besser put forward McKenzie's. 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:43.080 Version of events. 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:43.800 Right. 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:47.160 We'll continue to update you on this story, particularly. 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.520 Next week, but for now still to come. 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.080 The director of Freshwater Strategy, the polling company behind the 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:57.640 Liberals campaign, will break down where the election's up to. Plus, 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.480 Ray Hadley will fire up about Minique right, and I'll 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.600 show you the new footage where she refused to take 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:07.000 questions on three separate occasions. 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.200 Today, Ray Hadley and that footage after this quick break 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:16.920 welcome back. Well you would have seen this by now. 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.680 Of course, Minniku Ran turning her back on Laura Jay's 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:21.280 this morning. 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.560 Oh yeah, we don't want to interrupt, but we just 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:25.000 wanted to. 0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:30.760 Yeah, we are well in the interest of fitters transparency. 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.400 We just thought maybe we just want to know how 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:33.360 your campaign's going. 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.280 This morning's going well. 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:35.640 Thanks, Lauren. 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:37.800 I am here to engage your photos. 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:38.120 Through a prepole. 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:39.120 It's a little litery. 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.000 Yeah, so I'm not sure that it's really ideal for 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:46.520 you to be interrupting the process. 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.760 Have you had any other have you ready? 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:54.160 Well, this was live on air and it quickly made 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.400 the news. So you'd think Minnie Ran would have learnt 0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.640 her lesson after that, but sadly not, because then she 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.920 refused to speak to The Australian Today as well. 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.160 I towers play so arre. 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:13.280 You from Movie Australia. We're not taking it that way through? 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.520 Can I details that I can refer? 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.760 I mean, she's right there. Why can't she speak for herself? 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.040 But that wasn't aw Here's another clip where Minnie Grin 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:30.520 refused to engage with a voter about her own voting record. 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.400 In parliament rather engage. 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:45.880 Experts. There's lots of one. 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.320 Excuse me, I just refer you to the next website 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:50.480 that statements. 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.120 As we just stick to. 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:52.680 Talking to. 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:59.000 I'm a voter too, I would refer you to her website. 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:00.800 So much for transparency. 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.720 And on that note, Ray Hardley joins me, Now, Ray, 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:05.560 what is wrong with these deals? 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.240 And how frustrating is Manique rayt Well, it's. 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:10.479 One thing to say too, that a light for Laura Jays, 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:13.480 who is an outstanding journalist and the Australian journalist. Look, 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.240 I'm here to talk to my constituents, but then we're 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.520 one of the constituents. What to put a question to us? 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:22.240 She refused that as well as polite as Laura isn't 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.040 the main I think she may be wanting to ask 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:28.120 her about the clandestine stealing of election posters in the 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.720 dark of night, allegedly by someone very close to her. 0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.320 So look, if she is returned to Parliament, it will 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.760 be one of the great disgraces to conduct yourself in 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:42.040 that fashion two weeks out from the election and not 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:47.640 allow questioning from a journalist or even your constituents. But 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.600 there's another story breaking this afternoon Tonight, James Willis from 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:54.160 the Telegraph had just published that Nikola Boola has now 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:58.000 confirmed that she paid the four non English speaking gentlemen 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.000 to put up core flutes around the seat of Bradfield 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:04.280 in northern Sydney. She's also refusing to exceeded the request 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.320 from the power company to take the core flutes down. 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.319 She says, no, legally, I'm not going to take them down. 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.359 She's confirmed she paid for it. 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:11.600 Now. 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.440 This is a woman she hasn't been to Parliament yet. 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.480 She lost last time and she hopefully will lose this 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.080 time as well, who, of course, is most notoriously known 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:23.040 for making sexually inappropriate comments to a nine year old hairdresser. 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:25.920 And she's brazen. 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:26.640 She's bold. 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.279 She's out there and now admitting that she paid for 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.879 these blakes who told people in the street where they're 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.880 putting up to you know, I can't use the expression, 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.319 but everyone knows what they said to them in the 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.480 most derogatory way. She's paying these oaths, these thugs to 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.640 abuse her constituents. If she wins, that'll be a bigger 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.279 disgrace than Menique Rhyan, I would think. 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.280 And that story's on the Telly website now. 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:53.560 But then we learn that Clive Palmer is preferencing the 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.560 deals over the coalition. 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:57.560 I mean, what's wrong with this guy? 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.520 Well is a gift that keeps on giving Clive. I've 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.520 often said that people are under more pressure than his 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:07.040 belt buckle. But in relation to Clive, I only fell 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.400 based over apex. I thought, now it must be a misprint. 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.799 Someone's got a a at, so to speak. But it's right. 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:16.680 In fact, one of his candidates has now withdrawn and 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.440 he's lending their support to the liberal candidate in that area. 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.560 I just don't know, given that he's a mining magnate, 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.160 given that he gets back to his money from that 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.880 and other interests, how he could support the Teals is 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:32.480 beyond me. I mean, please, Clive, I know you've never 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.239 listened to me, but for once in your life, do 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.000 the right thing and change that immediately. 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:36.360 Please. 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.839 Yeah, reprint the heart of vote cards, which is what the. 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:39.799 One one nation have done. 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:40.839 They've done. 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:41.440 Good luck to them. 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:41.759 Yeah. 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.720 So I mean, looking at the Teals, what's your sense 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.800 of how many of them will lose their seats this election? 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:52.759 Because the TiAl movement really was a rejection by many 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:54.560 Conservatives of Scott Morrison. 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.400 I like Scott Morrison. You like Scott Morrison. You know 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:58.600 the public did it? 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.560 Yeah, well, you know they'd been there for a while, 0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:03.800 so they decided the public that twenty twenty two was 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.759 the end of the section for him. But look the 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:10.640 teals while ever they have the taint of funding from 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:15.400 Climate two hundred drooped around their neck. They can't be 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.839 taken seriously. It's what I say all the time. They say, 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.600 not as we do, but do as we say. And 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.120 by the way, I did hear your introduction about the polls, 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.040 which I was most interested. I did a piece this 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.759 morning on the Daily Telegraph website about all of this. 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.360 And you don't have to go back to John Howard 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:36.240 in twenty nineteen. Scott Morrison, from the day the election 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.320 was called in April until the day it was run, 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.319 lost every poll, not just the news poll. There are 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.520 six or seven polls conducted by repidable companies. He lost 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.160 every one. It was fifty two, forty eight, fifty one, 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.840 forty nine all the way through, and then a Galaxy 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.759 exit poll on the day of the election scored it 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:58.640 fifty two to forty eight to Bill Shorten. Now I'm 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:00.759 not going to bag Poles was they're trying to do 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.400 their best with the information supplied to them. But if 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.440 we and I've been guilty of it on this program 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:07.799 in another area of saying, oh, the Poles aren't looking good, 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.839 I had to give myself an uppercut when I went 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.759 through the twenty nineteen results to say, well, hang on 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.799 a sec. Morrison was never going to win. But he won. 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:18.719 But it's like everyone forgets that. 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:22.760 It's like there's this case of voter amnesia where journalists go, oh, 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.239 Peter Dutton's running out of time. You know, even at 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.040 very credible publications, Oh, Peter Dutton's running out of time 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.760 because the Poles say he's. 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:30.160 Going to lose. 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.960 Well, you know that's not an accurate reflection necessarily. I 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:37.920 think it's still probably looking like I hung Parliament at 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:38.440 this point. 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:39.359 I don't look. 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.200 I don't think that, even me allowing for the Poles 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:45.239 being wrong, that Peter can rule a majority. I think 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.560 the best he can hope for the minority complete show 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.840 that would be a shock and still the favorite option 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:55.600 is Anthony Albanezi minority. But you know, I think after 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.759 the first week we all took a deep breath and 0:37:57.760 --> 0:37:59.440 thought that wasn't a great week, and then the second, 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:03.040 then the third. But you know, I went past a 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.920 polling birth today in the Hills area to have a 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.640 bit of a look around. The place was packed. I've 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:13.000 never seen so many people pre polling as I saw today. 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.799 I mean, that's a safe liberal seat you out that 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:19.320 way with Alex Hawking command. But the number of people 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:20.840 who were out there, and that's one of the keys 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.799 to the last couple of elections, the number of pre 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.239 poll votes that are taken. People have got used to that. 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:29.120 The only que up even for a sausage sandwhich at 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:30.920 the public school on a Saturday morning, they go and 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:32.600 do it now when they've got a bit more. 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:36.360 Leisure time, convenient the case. But yeah, it has changed. 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.080 It's not a snapshot in time on that particular day. 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.280 It is now the majority of voters vote in advance 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:43.240 that was at the last election. 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.080 It'll be even bigger now, right, Great to see you. 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.960 We'll see you next week and it'll be her last 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.560 show until before the election, so we'll. 0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:53.480 Get a final prediction then. 0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.080 Well, I can only keep my fingers crossed. I think 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.080 people know what I'm hoping for. Whether I get my 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.839 wishes another thing still to come. 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.440 Dave Sharma will give his verdict on the latest contest 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:08.440 between alban Easy and Dutton, plus how safe labor seats 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:12.680 could fold the coalision. Freshwater Strategy director Leo Shanahan will 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:18.719 join us next. Welcome back, and joining me now is 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.200 director of Freshwater Strategy, Leo Shanahan. 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:22.640 Leo, great to see you. 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.080 Thank Sure, of course, yours is the company that does 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:29.040 the polling for the Liberals, but you specifically aren't the pollster, 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:30.319 as I said earlier in the show. 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:31.440 That's Michael Turner. 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.800 But I want to ask you about this disconnect between 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.440 what we're seeing in the national polls and what the 0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:41.799 seat by seat analysis is telling us about where this 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:42.759 election is up to. 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:44.960 Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not going to go into 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.680 seat by seat I don't honestly, I don't know, but 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.680 I would say this the national polls. There's nothing wrong 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.640 with the national polls as such that you know, they're 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:58.239 done by very good pulses. I think that sometimes interpretations 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:02.440 of national polls, though, can lead people into thinking there 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:06.840 are certain there's necessary trends on seat by seat basis 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:10.799 that don't necessarily exist. As you've said in your editorial. 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.960 It can be a much more difficult fight on a 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.520 seat to seat basis, much more hand to hand combat. 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:22.000 I guess we're seeing in this election for seats that 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:27.080 perhaps have higher margins that fall outside of the classic 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:31.399 electoral landscape. So you might have a swing of say 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:36.680 five percent, but seats at ten percent plus might actually 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:41.360 be targets in this election. And I think that's changed 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.120 a lot in recent elections. The electoral landscape has meant 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:47.520 there's all these seats all over the place that are 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:49.680 targets that perhaps weren't in the past. 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.600 And even seats right next to each other might have 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:56.600 completely different local issues. And one could be a target 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.680 seat for the Liberal Party, but one right adjacent to 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:03.120 it would be even if it's marginis smaller, you know, 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:04.239 it doesn't hope to win. 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:05.799 Yeah, And I think that's a lot to do with 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.600 the sitting members and the makeup in those the small 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:12.200 differences that occur in those seats, and not on a 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:15.799 demographic basis, but sitting members, the work they've put in 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.080 their recognition matters a lot. 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:19.040 Well. 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:20.959 Cost of living, as we know, is the biggest issue 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:25.120 affecting Australians right now, and it's followed in your research 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.719 at some distance really housing consistently. 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:30.000 So, yeah, and. 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:34.120 Most voters believe that Australia is heading in the wrong direction. 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.040 That's fifty five percent of Australians. 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:42.120 So Leah, given this, these are the critical issues this campaign. 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:46.520 Why hasn't the Coalition been able to fully capitalize on this? 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:47.440 Well? 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.200 I think for starters, the Coalition has actually done pretty 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.319 well to be in this position, and at times I 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:55.719 think people need to sit back and recognize that fact 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.200 that what you know, they're being asked to do is 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.280 something that hasn't been done since pre war in Australia, 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:04.839 which is great to pressure. Yes, exactly. So. I think 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.920 that though a couple of factors have helped Labor and 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.520 the run into the campaign. The interest rate cut I 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.399 think undeniably helped. That was, you know, something that people 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:18.200 could recognize, it's money in the pocket. I think competing 0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:21.720 arguments around tax as some people have gone, well, they've 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.239 got this, they're offering this tax cut, they're offering this 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.759 tax cut. Is there any real difference between the two. 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.879 And I think that as well, the framing of Peter 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.840 Dutton by the Labor Party at times, this Trumpian notion 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:37.160 hasn't really helped, So I think those are factors that 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:38.200 have hurt. 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:43.120 But you know, the Madi scare and other campaigns. 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.920 And as you said, healthcare is still a major issue 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:47.600 in this country and rightly so. 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:54.520 Now your research or freshwater research rather shows the Liberals 0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:58.040 picking up some safe labor seats. Can you tell us 0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.279 what the seats are that the targeting here? 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:03.800 Well, I mean look on our last model, which was 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:05.880 public polling we've done, which we do as well with 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:11.000 the Financial Review. We had seats like Ashton, Chisholm, McEwen 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:20.399 in Victoria, Gilmore Patterson w A. Bullwinkle in NT which 0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.160 is hard to poll, but Bengari's it definitely you know, 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.560 obviously a target there Ryan in Queensland. So these were 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.760 seats which you know we've made clear on the swing 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.759 to be projected, the coalition could could well pick up, 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.600 but it should be set. On our national polling, the 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:42.439 coalition is short of seventy seats as well. It's picking 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.280 up only about five or six sorry, but it's short. 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it gets to around sixty six on 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:52.800 your national based on the uniform swing. Yeah, but obviously 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.080 that's the national pole and not the seat BA seat 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:58.240 research that we've been speaking about tonight. All right, Leah Shanahan, 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.560 great to see you, Thank you very much for the insights. 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.640 Thank surey all right, quick break now, and then Dave 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:07.600 Sharma will give his verdict on alban Ezi and Dutton's 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:11.920 latest clash, and in it Albanizi is pressed on his 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:20.319 deal with the Greens. That's after this quick break. Welcome back, 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.560 and I'm joined now by Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:25.200 Dave, great to see you. Now. 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.440 While we've been on air tonight, there was another debate 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.960 between Peter Dutton and Anthony Alberizi and Channel nine. I 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.719 obviously didn't watch it, but I'm told that it is 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:40.080 that it was such a dull and boring debate, but 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.520 that this was one of the key moments when Albanizie 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:45.880 was pressed on the preference deal with the Greens. Have 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.960 a look, will you do a deal with minority parties? 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:52.959 Prime Minister, No, mister Dutton, not. 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:55.799 With the Greens, but with independence. And that's not a 0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.160 truthful answer from the Prime Minister there. This is it's 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:00.600 not that the Labor Party will fall ou themselves to 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:03.440 do a deal with the Greens. It's just it's just 0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:04.879 you preference them. 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:09.120 Preference truth put forward, put forward by Peter. 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:11.840 Dave Sharma. 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.839 The reality is, of course Albanesi would do a deal 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:16.799 with the Greens. If there's a hung Parliament, will have 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:18.760 a radical Green left government. 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.840 Of course, you would, just as Julia Gillard did in 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.920 twenty ten. And I would point out that Anthony Alberanesi 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.680 is doing deals with the Greens in nearly every seat 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.680 around the country right now, preference deals. You've had people 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:35.400 like Mark Dreyfus and Mike Freelander, senior members of the 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.680 Australian Jewish community who've been pleaded with by leaders in 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:41.440 the Australia Jeish community not to preference the Greens, but 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.719 they've gone ahead and done it anywhere anyway. And that's 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.920 a Labor headquarters direction and instigation. 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:48.440 I mean. 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:53.000 Another moment tonight that's been reported is that Anthony Alberesi 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:54.800 was accused by Peter Dutton. 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:56.719 Dutton said to him, you. 0:45:56.680 --> 0:46:00.399 Can't lie straight in bed, so it really went him 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:05.880 about this, this lying that Albanesi keeps being untruthful in 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:08.920 the campaign. I heard Andrew Clonelle on a earlier tonight 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.520 and that was even something that he was frustrated about, 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.320 because you know, this can't become a feature of campaigns 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:15.120 moving forward. 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.000 What do you think about this, Well, I. 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.520 Think Peter Dunden was right to call this out. I mean, 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.640 you know, I've found it incredibly frustrating during one of 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.960 the first debates, and Anthony Alberenesi repeated this tonight. Is 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:31.880 claims that the previous coalition government cut health and education. No, 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.480 the previous coalation government didn't increase at the rate of 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.239 spending that labor hoped it would be increased at, but 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:39.960 a dollar amount that is increasing year on years, Peter 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.280 out and pointed out is not a cut in anyone's 0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:45.840 terms and terminology. But Anthony Alberanesi repeats that, you know, 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:49.320 they repeat the many scare lie. You know, it seems 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.319 like they have no record to run on because the 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:54.120 only thing they can try on, the only thing they're 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:58.080 trying to campaign on is you know, a fear of 0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.520 Peter Dunnen and the Liberals. But you'd think first term 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.279 government would have some records to point to, some achievements 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.040 they could offer up to the electorate, some prospect of 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.160 what they might do better in the next term. But 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.120 there is none of this from Anthony Albanezy. I mean, 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:12.600 the record is terrible and he has no vision for 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:13.520 the next three years. 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:18.239 Now, you were, of course the Liberal MP in Wentworth 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.840 in Sydney's East, which you lost at the last election 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.600 to the allegri Spender, and now of course you're a 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:29.360 Liberal senator. You must be following the Wentworth contest closely. 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:31.960 How do you see it going at the moment between 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.440 Spender and Ronox, the Liberal candidate. 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:37.120 Well, a couple of things. 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:37.319 Look. 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.960 Firstly, the Teals and associated groups so like you know, 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.400 Climate two hundred and the Smart Energy Council and Danny 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.240 Lick and others are spending a fortune year and that's 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:52.520 clearly you know, that's repeat of twenty twenty two. One 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:54.800 thing I've noticed though, is that the Teal candidates across 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.959 the country seem to be quite happily fiarting laws, whether 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:02.000 it's tearing down their opposite's campaign materials, whether it's putting 0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:05.480 up their own campaign materials on osgrid property which is 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:10.000 illegal or at least unauthorized. They seem to take the 0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:12.320 view that the laws don't apply to them, which suggests 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.840 to me that they are worried because they're throwing the 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.719 kitchen sink at this They've thrown out the rule book, 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.200 and I think they know that they don't have a 0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:22.200 record to run on. You know, they were elected with 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.720 this great hope that they would do politics differently. Instead, 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:27.280 they've turned out to be some of the most cynical 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.400 operatives and they've achieved nothing in the Parliament. 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:32.719 I mean, I don't think many people would argue with 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.920 you about that, but just specifically how you think Wentworth 0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:38.560 is going at the moment and whether it is winnable 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:40.520 for the Liberals at this election. 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.319 I think it's absolutely winnable. I think we've got a 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:47.000 strong candidate in Ronox who's been working hard to get 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.880 to know the community or introduce yourself as a political 0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:54.160 candidate to the community. I think parts of this electorate 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:57.200 are very unhappy with the Albanezy government. The Jewish community 0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:01.120 because of this government's demonization of his and it's fairly 0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:05.200 into combat antisemitism. But also many people who are dealing 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:08.319 with high interest rates, infation, all those sorts of things. 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.040 Cust of living is an issue everywhere, all right. Dave Shamoor, 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.360 out of time, so great to see you again. And 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.160 that's all we've got time for right now, here's Paul Murray.