Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sherry, Welcome to the man Cave. There is
Speaker 2: a lot to get to, including tonight. What do the
Speaker 2: Greens and one Nation have in common? Believe it or not,
Speaker 2: there's some data that may well build a bridge.
Speaker 1: It's weird, but we'll get to it in a second.
Speaker 2: What role to social media not just play in our elections,
Speaker 2: but play in our politics and sometimes make the debate
Speaker 2: dumber than it has ever been? Some examples, some evidence
Speaker 2: in a moment. Wednesday night is five night here on
Speaker 2: put Murray Live. Lucy's Ellick will be here with Stephen Connory,
Speaker 2: who's always here to help and a place to say.
Speaker 2: She's back from the Greek I's the wonderful Meghan Kelly
Speaker 2: and I will have a conversation. I'm here, she's in
Speaker 2: the United States. The one topic, of course, the recent
Speaker 2: wars in the Middle East.
Speaker 3: You don't have to treat everything like it's an eleven,
Speaker 3: I think, is what Trump is trying to say. That's
Speaker 3: how we got into never ending conflict here. Why don't
Speaker 3: we try to pretend it's still is a ceasefire and
Speaker 3: behave accordingly.
Speaker 2: All right, let's kind of begin where we left off
Speaker 2: last night. As we speak, the NATO leaders are meeting
Speaker 2: in the Netherlands at the Hague. The images that we
Speaker 2: have seen of the past couple of hours have been interesting, including,
Speaker 2: of course, the President of the United States meeting a
Speaker 2: bunch of other world leaders. Those paying absolute attention have
Speaker 2: noticed that the Ukrainian leader, a lot of me Zelensky,
Speaker 2: is wearing a suit today at the NATO meeting. Now
Speaker 2: that would be fascinating to know why. Of course, we
Speaker 2: all know what happened last time they saw each other
Speaker 2: face to face. The President seems to have woken up
Speaker 2: in a better mood than he was at times yesterday
Speaker 2: on just apparently a couple of hours sleep. The day
Speaker 2: begins in the beautiful Netherlands, the King and Queen of
Speaker 2: beautiful and spectacular people. Our breakfast meeting was great. Now
Speaker 2: we're off to the very important NATO meetings. The US
Speaker 2: we very well represented.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know it's the four hundred and twenty eighth time,
Speaker 2: and I know that polite society does not like it,
Speaker 2: But I loved, absolutely loved that Trump ripped in the
Speaker 2: way that he did yesterday. Because remember the whole of
Speaker 2: what he is trying to do is to draw a
Speaker 2: line under the twelve most recent days of conflict, not
Speaker 2: to decide an overall winner when it comes to the
Speaker 2: Middle East and the rights and wrongs, just to say, okay,
Speaker 2: we've all made our point. Stop and when they were
Speaker 2: refusing to do so. I just love that the President
Speaker 2: of the United States did not send a message a
Speaker 2: smoke signal, you did not have to read the tea leaves. Instead,
Speaker 2: he spray painted it on the White House walls.
Speaker 4: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
Speaker 4: long and so hard that they don't know what they're doing?
Speaker 4: Do you understand that?
Speaker 1: Bang boom boom?
Speaker 2: Now it might just be because I am a cashtup bogue,
Speaker 2: but the reality is that a lot of people, if
Speaker 2: not dare I say, most swear. Do we expect a
Speaker 2: little better in our public officials. Sure, but every now
Speaker 2: and then allowed to show a certain level of frustration,
Speaker 2: and yeah, sometimes even go.
Speaker 1: There, of course.
Speaker 2: But what I love is the giant gulf between the
Speaker 2: people who are making TV and radio shows and the
Speaker 2: people who are watching them, who either cheered or booed,
Speaker 2: but may.
Speaker 1: Well have said the same language. Back to the screens.
Speaker 1: Watch everyone tiptoe around the F bomb.
Speaker 5: Today, key US weapon, the F bomb, A foulmouth tirade.
Speaker 3: A furious Donald Trump has left the world stunned.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump delivered a furious tirade puncture weighted with an expletive, oh.
Speaker 1: Exclusive foul mouth. I get it.
Speaker 2: Is this the most presidential of language you have ever
Speaker 2: seen in your life?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: But sometimes just I love that we pretend that our
Speaker 2: society is still sort of playing by that everyone wears
Speaker 2: hats and suits when they go to the city rules
Speaker 2: of the nineteen fifties. Now, it does not mean that
Speaker 2: I expect all bulletins all the time to be nothing
Speaker 2: but f bombs and created ways of swearing. Certainly, there
Speaker 2: have been plenty of times in my career over fifteen
Speaker 2: years that I've got probably a little bit too swearing,
Speaker 2: a little bit too casual.
Speaker 1: I know, for some people swearing is down market.
Speaker 2: It might seem a little dumb at times, and you
Speaker 2: know what, You're probably right, But I do find some
Speaker 2: of the collective pearl clutching from a media that is
Speaker 2: more than happy to shove.
Speaker 1: Bile and garbage.
Speaker 2: Down the throats of people over generations being the same
Speaker 2: people going.
Speaker 1: Wou't someone think about the children? Now?
Speaker 2: While all of that was happening, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: have a bit to say about social media, there were
Speaker 2: some people who had a little bit of fun with it. Again,
Speaker 2: if you're the type of person who is deeply offended
Speaker 2: by the swearing of the president, I apologize, But again,
Speaker 2: while again I don't want him to be doing it
Speaker 2: all day every day, I liked it. There's these little
Speaker 2: moments that sometimes just break out, and normal people who
Speaker 2: don't pay attention to the news as deeply as we
Speaker 2: do go how good or bad was what the president
Speaker 2: did last And again it didn't hurt a single human being,
Speaker 2: but it did produce fun like this, Like everything on
Speaker 2: the internet is seemingly being turned into babies, so why
Speaker 2: not the news.
Speaker 7: We have?
Speaker 4: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
Speaker 4: long and so hard that they don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Do you understand that you.
Speaker 8: Can hate or late Trump or you want. I don't
Speaker 8: care if you hate them, love them, or like them,
Speaker 8: But y'all, I can't lie that made this one? This
Speaker 8: man cursed on national television.
Speaker 4: Do you understand that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I know, they'll be the how could he, Well, they're
Speaker 2: all going to pretend they don't swear in their own life. Again,
Speaker 2: if you are somebody who does not use this language,
Speaker 2: I apologize for making fun. But if you are a
Speaker 2: person who does use this language, who has used this
Speaker 2: language before, but then goes on television, oh, foul mouth,
Speaker 2: foul mouth behavior of a president. Welcome to twenty twenty five. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's so much fakery and puffery.
Speaker 1: In and around the media.
Speaker 2: My thing is just to try to be as normal
Speaker 2: as possible, and sometimes that is going to be a
Speaker 2: little swear word. Hopefully not all of the sentence, and
Speaker 2: hopefully many few of them often roll through my little head.
Speaker 2: But that's just my thoughts. No swearing today at the
Speaker 2: NATO conference. Instead, the thing that was around yesterday he's
Speaker 2: doubled down on again today, which is the leaking of
Speaker 2: intel information that apparently the hit on Iran was not
Speaker 2: as big as he had suggested. So he's going after
Speaker 2: those who are saying that it wasn't. The obliteration of
Speaker 2: the nuclear campaign in Iran.
Speaker 9: You have some great reporters, but you have scum. CNN
Speaker 9: has scum MSDS. He has come The New York Times
Speaker 9: has come. They're bad people, they're sick.
Speaker 2: Imagine if a real politician, like a serious did that here.
Speaker 1: But what the darkness dies in democracy? Whatever.
Speaker 2: Now, let's still about the National Press Club, the guardians
Speaker 2: of our democracy, all of course pushing it as left
Speaker 2: as they can all day every day.
Speaker 1: Now we know this is a home game for the left.
Speaker 2: Why because it's in Canberra, right, It's full of the
Speaker 2: Canberra Columbos. It's full of the people who turn every
Speaker 2: little scandal into the Liberal Party about something that should
Speaker 2: be the end of the party, the end of the
Speaker 2: right of Australian politics, while looking the way at all
Speaker 2: sorts of things that the Labor Party's done. And of
Speaker 2: course Susan Laye was there today and Susan Lee, I
Speaker 2: should say, it was at the Press Club, of course,
Speaker 2: the new Liberal leader. But before she'd even turned up,
Speaker 2: a couple of days before she had turned up already
Speaker 2: the press was saying what they demanded from her speech.
Speaker 2: Now they never do this for Anthony Alberanezi. Why because
Speaker 2: it's a home game. But Michelle Gratton and she can
Speaker 2: pop up in lots of different places, but she says
Speaker 2: here that there are five questions that she needed to answer. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, when I ask five questions of an opposition leader,
Speaker 2: that's crazy to stuff. When Chris Kenny does it, that's
Speaker 2: the wildness of sky in his primetime. But if you're
Speaker 2: Michelle Gratton, you can have five questions that need to
Speaker 2: be answered. The five questions that she set as the
Speaker 2: rules for the press conference and the appearance today is
Speaker 2: how is she going to thread the needle between the
Speaker 2: two sides of the Liberal Party? How and when will
Speaker 2: she deal with the coalition's commitment to net zero? Why
Speaker 2: don't it be near impossible for the Liberals to get
Speaker 2: a respectable proportion of women and the House of Representative's
Speaker 2: team without quotas. Lee says that she wants to run
Speaker 2: a constructive opposition. So how constructive in the tax debate
Speaker 2: the Treasurer Jim Chalmers launched this week. How will it
Speaker 2: be constructive in that debate? How active will Lee be
Speaker 2: in trying to drive improvements in the appalling Liberal parties
Speaker 2: state organizations, especially in New South Wales.
Speaker 1: And in Victoria.
Speaker 2: Now reality is is that the same series of questions
Speaker 2: were never set as the bar for when Bill Shorten
Speaker 2: was giving his first speeches as the labor leader trying
Speaker 2: to pick up after twenty thirty and yes there was
Speaker 2: a devastating, deep, difficult loss for the coalition. No one's
Speaker 2: hiding it, no one's pushing it around. But the idea
Speaker 2: that all questions are going to be answered in the
Speaker 2: first major appearance of a person weeks effectively after an
Speaker 2: election might be setting the bar deliberately so high that
Speaker 2: there's no way that any politician left right or center,
Speaker 2: let alone liberal left right or center, would be able
Speaker 2: to clear it. And again here was some of the
Speaker 2: questions from those who were gathering to pepper up the
Speaker 2: new alternative prime Minister.
Speaker 10: And the opposition in the last term was characterized by
Speaker 10: being quite muscular in its opposition, even to costs of
Speaker 10: living relief in the Parliament, and times seemed like just
Speaker 10: reflexively said no and then found a justification for doing
Speaker 10: it later. I'm wondering if if you accept that now
Speaker 10: as a mistake.
Speaker 11: The twenty twenty two review published by Jane Hume and
Speaker 11: Brian Longman explicitly stated a reason for the decline in
Speaker 11: the vote is because of women. You yourself, after this review,
Speaker 11: was in the second most senior position as Deputy opposition leader,
Speaker 11: How can you guarantee that this review will actually be
Speaker 11: listened to?
Speaker 5: H are you making yourselves more unelectable for the sake
Speaker 5: of unity within the coalition.
Speaker 12: The nineteen eighty three election, which was probably the coalition's
Speaker 12: worst result. By the May election forty years later, almost
Speaker 12: we are. You're almost in the exact same position, if
Speaker 12: not worse. Do you think there is truly a way
Speaker 12: to stop what is emerging as a long term pattern
Speaker 12: of regression?
Speaker 2: Don't you like the people whose professional job it is
Speaker 2: to talk about politics, who are in the upper echelons
Speaker 2: in the camber press gallery, that they are able to
Speaker 2: go to the National Press Club and ask questions of
Speaker 2: the opposition leader, but don't quite know all of the
Speaker 2: names of the people of whom they are asking the
Speaker 2: questions about.
Speaker 1: Hello, Brian, I hope that you're but faed InCom really
Speaker 1: now again.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I am the person who can be quite guilty
Speaker 2: mispronouncing certain words. But I don't serve myself up as
Speaker 2: somebody is ready to take the challenge directly to the
Speaker 2: face of our political leaders. But what I actually want
Speaker 2: to show you here is what was in her speech,
Speaker 2: Because the reality of any opposition leader is that the
Speaker 2: argument is always, well, no one knows who you are,
Speaker 2: so yes, this was a nationally televised speech, but it's
Speaker 2: in the middle of the day on a Wednesday, so
Speaker 2: it's not like millions of people are watching. But if
Speaker 2: you do get the chance, and you do get the time,
Speaker 2: go and read it, or go and watch the full
Speaker 2: length video of it, because let's start to learn who
Speaker 2: this person is.
Speaker 1: Again, if they make bad decisions, I'll be the first
Speaker 1: one to jump up and down.
Speaker 2: But rather than trying to somehow make sure that this
Speaker 2: never gets out of first gear, let's just see what
Speaker 2: she had to say. And she again is talking about
Speaker 2: her biography and in the real of modern Australian politics, yes,
Speaker 2: what you believe in is the most important thing, but
Speaker 2: who you are and what your experience seems to be
Speaker 2: the way of trying to connect with the whole collection
Speaker 2: of people who are either forced to vote by our
Speaker 2: system or people who may well have given up on
Speaker 2: you because they consider the bio to be more important
Speaker 2: than any of the ideas. He's part of the alternative
Speaker 2: prime minister's pitch today. It'll take three years. Who knows
Speaker 2: where it will end. Most likely well and truly short
Speaker 2: of government. But still, who is the leader of the opposition, Well,
Speaker 2: a woman who had life experience like this.
Speaker 7: Aspiration is the thread that connects every single part of
Speaker 7: Australian society. Aspiration is the foundation of the Australian promise
Speaker 7: that if you work hard, play by the rules, do
Speaker 7: your best for your kids, and contribute to your community,
Speaker 7: you will be able to build a better life for
Speaker 7: yourself and your family. That promise feels rather distant for
Speaker 7: many Australians today. Cost of living is rising, wages are stagnant,
Speaker 7: and home ownership is.
Speaker 13: Out of reach.
Speaker 7: Australians work hard, but too often they feel like they're
Speaker 7: running harder just to stand still. For too many Australians,
Speaker 7: it's a promise that seems almost unachievable. The Liberal Party
Speaker 7: must restore that promise to empower Australians to make decisions
Speaker 7: that are right for them, to reward effort or punish success,
Speaker 7: to ensure that government backs its citizens, not burdens them.
Speaker 13: That is the Australia I believe.
Speaker 1: In first principles.
Speaker 2: First principles, What a wonderful way to introduce yourself to
Speaker 2: say this is what the first principle is, and the
Speaker 2: reality is in politics you have to say it over
Speaker 2: and over again until you're sec of it, and that's
Speaker 2: when people start to listen. So you're going to hear
Speaker 2: this buyer, You're going to hear these values over and
Speaker 2: over again again. I'm going to be benefit of the
Speaker 2: doubt position when it comes to this leader of the
Speaker 2: opposition again, when she talks about a personal experience.
Speaker 1: It is unusual for.
Speaker 2: Many politicians to talk about things like this. But if
Speaker 2: you've got a story that is ever so slightly different
Speaker 2: than the cookie cutter of everyone else, why not tell it.
Speaker 13: My journey here is not one of privilege.
Speaker 7: It's a story of work, struggle, persistence and belief in
Speaker 7: the country that gave me and my family a chance.
Speaker 7: I was born in Nigeria to British parents. They lived
Speaker 7: busy lives. The first lesson they instilled in me growing
Speaker 7: up was that your job was about more.
Speaker 13: Than just clocking on and clocking off.
Speaker 7: It was about having a vocation, something that made the
Speaker 7: world about a place, or made a difference in society.
Speaker 2: Exactly and again, for many working women, there is a
Speaker 2: story that is one where what blokes sometimes take for granted, well,
Speaker 2: certainly people who were young when they went to things
Speaker 2: like university may well not understand was complicated.
Speaker 1: Is the experience of once you get to a moment
Speaker 1: in your.
Speaker 2: Life where you realize I've got to reskill, I've got
Speaker 2: to go back to tay, I've got to go back
Speaker 2: to UNI.
Speaker 1: But I'm not doing it as a twenty one year old.
Speaker 2: I'm doing it as a person who's on their way
Speaker 2: or in and around their thirties. Again, I thought this
Speaker 2: was a good insight into beginning to get to know
Speaker 2: the person that millions of people are hoping is going
Speaker 2: to be able to take the fight up to Albo.
Speaker 7: Balancing the family budget was becoming too hard, so I
Speaker 7: made a decision that many mums have made before and since.
Speaker 7: Get new skills and bring in extra income. So as
Speaker 7: I raised my own family, I went to university for
Speaker 7: the first time age thirty. I still remember the day
Speaker 7: I walked in to enroll in a Bachelor of Economics
Speaker 7: at Latrobe University in Wodonga. I kept thinking, can I
Speaker 7: really do this? I got out of the bat farm,
Speaker 7: mute baby in a capsule, and.
Speaker 13: I felt so out of place.
Speaker 7: I was a different generation from these students who didn't
Speaker 7: seem to have a care in the world. I felt
Speaker 7: like an outsider. I remember being suffocated by self doubt.
Speaker 7: There I stood, the mature age student, the crying baby,
Speaker 7: convinced that I did not belong here.
Speaker 2: And then to the fundamental issue, which of course is
Speaker 2: how does the Liberal Party get itself to a place
Speaker 2: where more women are able to get elected to Parliament
Speaker 2: and get the opportunity like many people have before, to
Speaker 2: be able to rise up and sometimes down, and then
Speaker 2: up and then sometimes sidewards and then down and then
Speaker 2: way up in the ranks. Well, again, she took that
Speaker 2: head on because, of course, how many of the questions
Speaker 2: were going to be about that. Hence why you have
Speaker 2: to talk about it in your speech.
Speaker 7: Our party must pre select more women in winnable seats
Speaker 7: so that we see more Liberal women in federal Parliament.
Speaker 13: Now, I'm agnostic.
Speaker 7: On specific methods to make it happen, but I am
Speaker 7: a z that it actually does happen. Current approaches have
Speaker 7: clearly not worked, so I'm open to any approach that will.
Speaker 7: If some state divisions choose to implement quoteras, that's fine.
Speaker 7: If others don't, that's also fine. But what is not
Speaker 7: fine is not having enough women.
Speaker 2: Now, I made the point straight after the election, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to wallow on this for the next
Speaker 2: three years. It's just I'm a person who can often
Speaker 2: try to interpret things not just about what people believe in,
Speaker 2: and of course that is the most important thing, but
Speaker 2: increasingly for an awful lot of people, it is again
Speaker 2: about the bio and the reality is that when you
Speaker 2: have a look at the electoral role, and you have
Speaker 2: a look at the thirty seats that the coalition is
Speaker 2: lost in the last two election, guess what twenty eight
Speaker 2: of them have in common? That there are more female
Speaker 2: voters on the rolls then there are male voters. This
Speaker 2: does not automatically mean or women go one way or
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that.
Speaker 2: But if you try to have candidates that look like
Speaker 2: the electorate in order to build a bridge, or guess what.
Speaker 2: In the seats where there are more female voters than
Speaker 2: there are male voters, guess what.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: This has been something that political party has done for
Speaker 2: a long period of time when it comes to certain things,
Speaker 2: more often than not things like ethnicity, but perhaps gender
Speaker 2: is an issue that clearly needs to.
Speaker 1: Be dealt with here.
Speaker 2: And when I say more female voters than men, I
Speaker 2: don't mean like one hundred more. I mean like enough
Speaker 2: to decide an election, more like some of the seats
Speaker 2: that have changed hands in the past couple of elections.
Speaker 2: These are all over the country.
Speaker 1: By the way.
Speaker 2: In Petri, which is a seat that until this election
Speaker 2: was a bell Weather seat, it's got seven thousand more
Speaker 2: female voters than males. In Boothby and South Australia, where
Speaker 2: our mate Nicole Flip was running, there was six thousand
Speaker 2: more female voters in Kuyong. There's almost six thousand more
Speaker 2: female voters in Robertson. In New South Wales there's almost
Speaker 2: five thousand, and so on and so on and so
Speaker 2: on for twenty eight different seats.
Speaker 1: So is it everything?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Is it nothing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Is it something? Obviously?
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of people voting in elections is where I'm
Speaker 2: going to dance right on the razor blade for you.
Speaker 1: But I'll do it anyway. Now.
Speaker 2: The reality is is that, yes, politics changes, and it
Speaker 2: changes with its technology, and it changes with its communities.
Speaker 2: And depending on whether you think that the world is
Speaker 2: getting smarter because everyone's going to university or the world
Speaker 2: is getting dumber because everyone goes to university. The reality
Speaker 2: is that something is changing in and around the way
Speaker 2: that our politics is discussed and is decided now, whether
Speaker 2: it is left right, whether it is gender, whether it
Speaker 2: is your buyer, whether it is socioeconomic, all of those
Speaker 2: different things. Again, is it something?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it everything?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Is it nothing? No?
Speaker 2: But for those of us who have grown up in
Speaker 2: the era when newspapers, radio and television was basically the
Speaker 2: major triangle of how people get their information, and we
Speaker 2: continue that continues to be the number one source. We
Speaker 2: know that the Internet with millions of people looking at
Speaker 2: established news brands there. But then there's of course the
Speaker 2: whole world of social media. And am breaking anything to
Speaker 2: anyone that lots of people are on social media? No,
Speaker 2: But with every single election there are people who are
Speaker 2: paying attention to the triangle of established media, which, let's
Speaker 2: be honest, can go all the way from the most granular,
Speaker 2: the most interested in the detail all the way through too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes a mile wide and an inch deep, but still
Speaker 2: generally speaking, there's a little bit of detail in and
Speaker 2: around the debates. What is the difference between tem Red
Speaker 2: and Team Blue. Well, it's this idea, it's this idea,
Speaker 2: it's this idea. Why has Team Blue made a mistake? Well,
Speaker 2: because they did this and this and this, But increasingly
Speaker 2: a massive chunk of the way that political parties market
Speaker 2: themselves too either people who aren't paying too much attention
Speaker 2: to the detail, or they just want to push you
Speaker 2: towards I like that person, I don't like that person.
Speaker 2: Increasingly the amount of garbage that parades as political information
Speaker 2: is worth having a look at.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I've been many to do this for the many, many
Speaker 2: weeks since the federal election, and I know there's a
Speaker 2: whole collection of people who are the content creators, who
Speaker 2: are appealing to their audiences that will be using this
Speaker 2: analysis as some way of flaming my good self for
Speaker 2: the station of which I work. But let's all understand
Speaker 2: the spirit in which is conversation is happening, which is
Speaker 2: just being realistic and trying to understand.
Speaker 1: What the hell's going on right now.
Speaker 2: Not because one team one and one team lost, but
Speaker 2: about how people inform themselves. And the reality is is
Speaker 2: that because of mobile phones, because of the Internet, we
Speaker 2: have more information available to us than ever before. Literally
Speaker 2: every single report that is released by the Order to General,
Speaker 2: by the Corruption Commission, by the Productivity Commission, by the
Speaker 2: Parliamentary Library. Is freely available within an hour of it
Speaker 2: being released to the media if you want to.
Speaker 1: Who would?
Speaker 2: But still you can read the federal budget if you want.
Speaker 2: And I get it that much of the role at
Speaker 2: times of the media is to try to do all
Speaker 2: of that for you, surmize key points, tell you what's
Speaker 2: going on. But increasingly the political conversation is not even
Speaker 2: to get into the detail. Is this a sign of
Speaker 2: a joint that's getting dumber or busier, or this is
Speaker 2: a special way of building a new bridge to a
Speaker 2: new generation. But I resent the implication that the next
Speaker 2: generation is somehow dumber than It's.
Speaker 1: Not true, right, But you see, if we can get the.
Speaker 2: Conversation as narrow as possible the political parties think, then
Speaker 2: it's the easiest for them to be able to put
Speaker 2: you in their direction, like this was a legit internet
Speaker 2: posting the Labor Party in Western Australia. Now, if you
Speaker 2: think that sometimes I get a little too caught up
Speaker 2: in the detail, this would be the exact opposite, And
Speaker 2: is just uga bulga as a political message. Brittain spoken
Speaker 2: and authorized is at the end of that clip like
Speaker 2: an official thing, written, spoken and authorized.
Speaker 1: Labor Party per.
Speaker 2: Another example of this, because you know, you know, there's
Speaker 2: so much bullying and social media and there's so much
Speaker 2: evil things that are said about body types, and you're
Speaker 2: not supposed to comment on those body types, unless, of course,
Speaker 2: you just want to go and have a go at
Speaker 2: your political opponent.
Speaker 1: And then you can do this, okay, And.
Speaker 2: Then if you win because people saw that stuff and
Speaker 2: I agree with you that that candidate's bad, then you
Speaker 2: post lots of dos as if you are going off
Speaker 2: to school camp rather than setting up your office to
Speaker 2: become a federal MP to write the laws of this country.
Speaker 2: And then there's the Tasmanian election playing out right now.
Speaker 14: Now.
Speaker 2: Remember the only reason this election is happening is because
Speaker 2: the Labor Party got together with the Greens to be
Speaker 2: able to disrupt the parliament to force an early election.
Speaker 2: Yet this is the rubbish being fed to voters in
Speaker 2: Tasmania who may well only beginning it while scrolling through
Speaker 2: le boo boo videos. Time to go, or you could
Speaker 2: just pretend that you've been endorsed by the characters of
Speaker 2: Family Guy and I would bet a substantial bet that
Speaker 2: nobody at Disney is aware that their characters are being
Speaker 2: used in political ads with their voices being faked by AI.
Speaker 2: This again is an official Labor post on the Internet.
Speaker 14: I heard some liberals talking about selling off Aurorra Energy.
Speaker 1: Would that make the service better? No, Stowey, that is
Speaker 1: liberal slop.
Speaker 4: In April, the Liberal premiere said he believes in selling
Speaker 4: off public assets such as Aurora Energy.
Speaker 1: Sorry, copyright anyone anywhere.
Speaker 2: Then, of course there is this scenario where in Queensland
Speaker 2: today the federal budget was released, Sorry the queens and
Speaker 2: budget was released yesterday and Queensland MP's a giant chunk
Speaker 2: of labor and peace, decided not even to turn up
Speaker 2: to Parliament today. Their job is, of course to be
Speaker 2: elected to go to parliament, but no, they weren't any
Speaker 2: where near Parliament instead. One of the if not key
Speaker 2: complaints the Labor Party has about the state budget is
Speaker 2: nothing in the state budget, no decisions in the state budget,
Speaker 2: just the color of the cover of the book called
Speaker 2: the budget.
Speaker 15: Why is our state budget blue was supposed to be marone.
Speaker 15: Why is the LMP trying to rebrand the whole of
Speaker 15: Queenslander's Blue in Origin season Blue Budget.
Speaker 13: Ew.
Speaker 2: I promise, I promise we can do better than this.
Speaker 2: Now again, you've got to appeal to all people everywhere.
Speaker 2: But if our politics has become this stupid, then is
Speaker 2: anyone surprised that the people who are willing to do
Speaker 2: anything and go as deep into the gutter or as
Speaker 2: shallow into the pool as possible are the ones who
Speaker 2: will win every single time.
Speaker 1: But he did debate, including about whether our politics is
Speaker 1: too dumb or not.
Speaker 2: In a moment's time here Palmurray Live where it's fight
Speaker 2: night on a Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: Also the wonderful Meighan Kelly joins us.
Speaker 2: And there was a massive election in New York City,
Speaker 2: the very same country that produces Donald Trump is now
Speaker 2: about to elect a full on radical socialist to being
Speaker 2: Mayor of New York Or in.
Speaker 1: A second.
Speaker 2: Wednesday Night, one and night, I've had my say. Now
Speaker 2: two people who are going to do nothing but agree
Speaker 2: for the next few minutes, as Lucy's elective course. Who
Speaker 2: we know and love You can reader in the Telegraph,
Speaker 2: here on t GBC, sometimes here on Sky News. Love
Speaker 2: to see you, mate, Steve Conroy Labor it was his
Speaker 2: bootstraps and always here to help Collingwood.
Speaker 1: And all other things. But in the meantime he doesn't
Speaker 1: pass for the cause. The goad pines. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk.
Speaker 2: Let's talk here about what the world learnt this week.
Speaker 2: I wanted to take a one second step back where
Speaker 2: we're not doing breaking news wall to wall and talk
Speaker 2: about what has the world.
Speaker 1: Learned this week.
Speaker 2: Now, we've certainly learned that the president, when he draws
Speaker 2: the line, he wants that line enforced. But also we've
Speaker 2: learned that when Iran ran off to Russia essentially looking
Speaker 2: for the nearest big buddy to get involved in a fight,
Speaker 2: they went no go away. China was pretty quiet through
Speaker 2: all of it. Many of the Arab countries as well,
Speaker 2: silent at a time when you would have thought, if
Speaker 2: it was ever time to step up, it was time
Speaker 2: to step up. So, Lucy, what did the world learn
Speaker 2: this week?
Speaker 5: Well, we learned that that potential relationship, well we know
Speaker 5: that the relationship exists, but that potential relationship for it
Speaker 5: to be something more than what is kind of really
Speaker 5: you know, in front of us now, it just isn't there.
Speaker 13: I'll be honest, I.
Speaker 5: Was very concerned. I mean, we're talking a lot about
Speaker 5: the conflict that you know, the exchange of missiles, and
Speaker 5: it's been really awful to watch everything unfold in the
Speaker 5: Middle East. And this stretches back decades. Let's be honest
Speaker 5: about that. This goes wack well before October seven. But
Speaker 5: I genuinely had fear when there was news emerging that
Speaker 5: the Foreign Minister of Iran a bus araung Yi, when
Speaker 5: he was heading over to Moscow. I thought, Wow, this
Speaker 5: is going to be interesting. And then the strait of
Speaker 5: Home Wars, the potential to close that. How that would
Speaker 5: affect China, knowing that they are their biggest customer with
Speaker 5: respect to oil. Are we on the precipice of World
Speaker 5: War three? Are we going to see these two global
Speaker 5: heavyweights drawn into this conflict now and.
Speaker 13: Exact their powers?
Speaker 5: But the fact of the matter is Putin's already got
Speaker 5: his hands full, correct. I know that with the war
Speaker 5: now in Ukraine that's approaching its fourth year and g
Speaker 5: for all of his might and power, he took a
Speaker 5: step back.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's what I find interesting here where where again, Stephen,
Speaker 2: you know, either you lived it, your parents lived it,
Speaker 2: or frankly, like many people, meetings you learn about it
Speaker 2: in school.
Speaker 1: Basically, let's say, let's go World War.
Speaker 2: One through right, that there's an axis of this, or
Speaker 2: a team of that, or a collections this, idea that
Speaker 2: one attack on one triggers a whole collection of other things.
Speaker 2: Now again, we're a couple of days into a ceasefire.
Speaker 2: No one's pretending that's it. It's all done. Nothing to
Speaker 2: see here and nothing to see around the corner. But
Speaker 2: I think the thing the war has learned in the
Speaker 2: past week is that maybe that concept of one domino
Speaker 2: automatically leads to another can't always be assumed to be
Speaker 2: the case. Now that doesn't mean we will just say, oh,
Speaker 2: every man and woman for themselves. But Steven, as a
Speaker 2: person who is way deeper into the world of defense
Speaker 2: than I am, what did you learn this week?
Speaker 6: Well, I learned that once again the master manipulators putin
Speaker 6: he needs to keep Trump on site so that Trump
Speaker 6: keeps supporting him over the Ukraine, and he was prepared
Speaker 6: to risk nothing to upset Trump. So he dumped Iran
Speaker 6: in a heartbeat. But it wasn't that he said no
Speaker 6: to Iran. He put his own self interest and his
Speaker 6: own desire to keep Trump not getting actively engaged in
Speaker 6: the Ukraine War, continuing to undermine Western Europe's attempts to
Speaker 6: help the Ukrainians. I thought that was the cleverest ploy
Speaker 6: of this week.
Speaker 5: But does he.
Speaker 13: Actually have capacity?
Speaker 5: Do you think Stephen to be able to go to
Speaker 5: war given what he's already going now over that he's
Speaker 5: feeling pretty depleted, But.
Speaker 6: The point being he didn't want to risk his main
Speaker 6: theater of war by opening up another theater.
Speaker 1: Did he have the capacity?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: I mean no, There's no question that if the full
Speaker 6: weight of Europe and the full weight of the US
Speaker 6: decided it wanted to push Putin back to the original
Speaker 6: borders or back to the twenty fourteen borders, they can
Speaker 6: do it. So this was a strategic care by him,
Speaker 6: not just oh my god, I've got no money, I've
Speaker 6: got no tanks, I've got no people left. He's demonstrated
Speaker 6: he's prepared to throw just any man of human lives
Speaker 6: at the Ukraine, so he could conceivably be prepared to
Speaker 6: do that again. But I think it was a masterful
Speaker 6: manipulation of Trump.
Speaker 2: Now again at the NATO meetings, which is taking place
Speaker 2: right now in the Netherlands, President Trump has had this
Speaker 2: to say, where basically he's doubling down, regardless of whether
Speaker 2: it is obliteration or has just set them back.
Speaker 1: A few months.
Speaker 2: He's proud of what he did on Israel's behalf and
Speaker 2: the Western world a few nights ago, dropping those bombs,
Speaker 2: fourteen of them.
Speaker 1: Don't forget, Israel came back instiday.
Speaker 9: I was so proud of them because they came back,
Speaker 9: you know, there went out because they felt it was
Speaker 9: a violation, and technically they were right, but it just
Speaker 9: wouldn't have worked out very well. And they brought the
Speaker 9: planes back then.
Speaker 2: And can I just get like a bumper stick it
Speaker 2: from both of you because there the bigger and more
Speaker 2: important issues to discuss. But Stephen as a person and Lucy,
Speaker 2: of course both of you been in the public eye.
Speaker 2: But Stephen in your relationship to politics, when you've been
Speaker 2: hammahammer hammer, how many times have you wanted to go
Speaker 2: out and drop an f moment a press conference? How
Speaker 2: many times did you want to do it? And are
Speaker 2: you like me? Where okay, look, but I want it
Speaker 2: all day every day. It's a sometimes food. But let's
Speaker 2: not pretend it wasn't an awesome.
Speaker 6: Moment, it's just trivial, and the way the press are
Speaker 6: trying to play it up is just trivile. Everyone knows.
Speaker 1: I mean you watch the West.
Speaker 6: Who's suddenly discovered and now you watch it and there's
Speaker 6: not ever one single square word.
Speaker 1: Seriously, have they never been to a real office?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, good, So it's just a complete pretense by whichever
Speaker 6: parts of the media are carrying.
Speaker 2: Just move on and again it's just thing lucy, where
Speaker 2: again we're not inviting and not wanting to recreate as
Speaker 2: much as.
Speaker 13: I like, I'd love to.
Speaker 16: Come on Steve, but he did know it was pepet
Speaker 16: hot sauce on a moment that really needed it, and
Speaker 16: you could see the frustration coming through because he's had
Speaker 16: a lot to deal with, and it showed another human
Speaker 16: element to him, another human side that we've always.
Speaker 5: Been very accustomed to when it comes to Trump, because
Speaker 5: he's always warn his heart on his sleeve. I thought
Speaker 5: it was brilliant.
Speaker 2: Susan Lee at the National Press Club today, as I said,
Speaker 2: half of the speech is all about bio, as boring
Speaker 2: as that can be for some people to remember the
Speaker 2: reality is of being the opposition leaders, you've got to
Speaker 2: introduce yourself over and over again, and what is the rule?
Speaker 2: You've got to get sick, and that's when they start listening.
Speaker 2: That said lots of other things about how they went,
Speaker 2: and pretty obviously she is making the calculation. Obviously she
Speaker 2: needs to somehow rebuild a bridge or at least see
Speaker 2: or at least offer up herself and the pound of
Speaker 2: flesh to a press gallery who have written off the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party as deeply as they have, which is why
Speaker 2: she said this.
Speaker 7: When I say the Liberal Party must respect, reflect and
Speaker 7: represent modern Australia, people have understandably asked, what do we
Speaker 7: mean by that? Modern Australia is diverse, dynamic and ambitious.
Speaker 7: It's made up of people from every corner of the world.
Speaker 2: Loose, impressed, not impressed, not enough spice, not enough source,
Speaker 2: not enough steak.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 5: Nothing, not enough source, steaks, pepper sold you name it.
Speaker 5: And I think that's just a real testament to who
Speaker 5: she is and how she's kind of portrayed herself already.
Speaker 13: She's had a.
Speaker 5: Very extended political career. We know her and it's not
Speaker 5: in her nature to come out strongly on particular issues.
Speaker 5: She showed conviction in some moments during the speeches and
Speaker 5: when she during the speech and when she was answering
Speaker 5: certain questions. But you know what's a modern Australia, and
Speaker 5: modern Australia.
Speaker 13: Is in a hole right now.
Speaker 5: Okay. So, and this is a real issue that I
Speaker 5: have and I talk about it a lot in the
Speaker 5: column tomorrow. You know, where have we seen from either
Speaker 5: political party and appetite for family first policies? We talk
Speaker 5: a lot in politics and I know, Stephen, you will
Speaker 5: be able to assimilate with this in some way or another.
Speaker 5: We talk a lot about these positive principles that we
Speaker 5: want to introduce. So she wants more women involved in politics.
Speaker 5: And yadiadiadam so so sick and tired as a woman
Speaker 5: of gender being constantly weaponized and used as a shield.
Speaker 5: But we talk a lot about protecting women and girls
Speaker 5: from domestic violence and really creating these ideal and I
Speaker 5: guess utopians societies, But in reality, how are they reflected
Speaker 5: in actual policy? Meaningful policy? Politicians keep throwing money at things.
Speaker 5: How are we measuring the success of these right? How
Speaker 5: are we actually looking at it and believing that this
Speaker 5: policy and what you're saying are connected and that we
Speaker 5: will see actual change. People are tired, people are tired
Speaker 5: and disenfranchised.
Speaker 2: Well, and it gives us a preview about where I
Speaker 2: want to go in a second. But at the last election,
Speaker 2: how many times we talked about and we put the
Speaker 2: numbers on the table that three million people with this
Speaker 2: ghost to homeless nurse, that three and a bit million
Speaker 2: people weren't.
Speaker 1: Able to have they're hungry?
Speaker 2: Were hungry in any of those ads or we were
Speaker 2: just sort of the ugabuga social media. I like this person,
Speaker 2: I don't like that person. Dancy Dancing joined me for
Speaker 2: the revolution.
Speaker 5: Stuff embarrassing style.
Speaker 1: Well this is it.
Speaker 2: But Steven, did you see a political foe that cannot
Speaker 2: be underestimated or could you measure pretty quickly that Okay,
Speaker 2: you might get back a couple on electoral gravity, but
Speaker 2: nothing to see here.
Speaker 6: So look to your point of earlier, Paul. She has
Speaker 6: to introduce herself. I know, Lucy said, you know she's
Speaker 6: well known. I have to say I don't know that
Speaker 6: much about her, And I was imparlimented at the same
Speaker 6: time as I've not been critical when I say that
Speaker 6: we have a very presidential style of politics.
Speaker 5: Today, I'm not saying she's well known on se right
Speaker 5: and the politics game for long enough. Now twenty four
Speaker 5: years we're talking here, and she was also the deputy
Speaker 5: leader of the opposition party. So we got smashed. Guess what, Susan,
Speaker 5: you're a part of that smash.
Speaker 1: She was the vice captain. Good point.
Speaker 6: So the first point is she's got to introduce herself
Speaker 6: more than she's already has. The second point is that
Speaker 6: she has to actually put some meat on the bone.
Speaker 6: And I don't mean about policy agenda. I thought she
Speaker 6: squibbed it a bit on how she wants to get
Speaker 6: more women, and she goes, oh, we're not really a
Speaker 6: federal party or federal We've got the states have got
Speaker 6: to do it, and I'm open to ideas. So let
Speaker 6: me give you an example. I got elected deputy leader
Speaker 6: at one point, and I'm standing there next to Simon
Speaker 6: Quan when he becomes leader. We've got a press conference
Speaker 6: going on. The first question he gets asked is what
Speaker 6: are you going to do about sixty forty in the
Speaker 6: Labor Party?
Speaker 1: That was the first question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, good point, and so Simon then had to answer,
Speaker 6: you know, did he agree with it? Not agree with it?
Speaker 6: And he was then forced to take a position and
Speaker 6: then began to implement it. So I thought she squibbed
Speaker 6: an important part of a message today by not saying,
Speaker 6: this is what I want to see. The state divisions
Speaker 6: do not just go. I'd like to see more women,
Speaker 6: and if quotas are one way to do it, I'm
Speaker 6: open to the idea. She needs to actually show some
Speaker 6: leadership on the point. She's dead right. There needs to
Speaker 6: be more done in the Liberal party with women, and
Speaker 6: she just needs to show a little bit more. So
Speaker 6: I think she scribbed it a little bit today.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, so, Lucy to.
Speaker 2: The point I took some time to explain in the editorial.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is just my algorithm and what I'm doing
Speaker 2: late at night, but often.
Speaker 6: Ju I can't lose that image, Paul, just a fraction
Speaker 6: of my head.
Speaker 13: Now keep it in your mind as you go to
Speaker 13: bed tonight.
Speaker 5: Mister Conrad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, political reels and old cars and machines and cigars.
Speaker 14: Wow, a real man.
Speaker 13: I live more of your hair on the chats.
Speaker 1: This is so, And he calls me to have a chat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I dot a pole.
Speaker 9: That's what what.
Speaker 6: Night that's today does?
Speaker 1: Were eleven o'clock at not? What are you talking about
Speaker 1: this Piles.
Speaker 13: Dave sometimes saidn't I Paul.
Speaker 1: The probably is he answers and we keep talking.
Speaker 2: Don't write this off that way again, the level of dumb, right,
Speaker 2: So I get, I got everyone's going to be reading
Speaker 2: every report and every little thing, and six months ago
Speaker 2: this and two years ago there. But cricky, it's done
Speaker 2: like when we're getting to the w A labor party,
Speaker 2: basically just you know, play dress ups.
Speaker 16: People voting for this, Paul, and this is what we
Speaker 16: need to say, and it's.
Speaker 5: The you know, it's the taboo statement.
Speaker 14: The general public are pretty damn stupid.
Speaker 5: Let's be honest. No one wants to say it. And
Speaker 5: I don't mean any real disrespect, but if you are
Speaker 5: voting for this, if you are looking at this material
Speaker 5: and thinking, oh wow, I'm going to base my political
Speaker 5: decisions on these stupid TikTok videos, we've got a broader
Speaker 5: problem here. And we spoke about this affair.
Speaker 13: What do we do.
Speaker 5: We've got obligatory voting here in this country, preferential system.
Speaker 13: Can we overhaul it?
Speaker 5: Just because it exists and it's what we've done for
Speaker 5: years doesn't mean it's what we should always do do
Speaker 5: I want eighteen year olds that have absolutely no idea
Speaker 5: about politics and the broader issues that surround that with
Speaker 5: respect to policy, to be going to the polls and
Speaker 5: deciding who to vote for. People are going into the
Speaker 5: polls and looking at the core flutes and thinking, oh gee, ohm,
Speaker 5: my vote for that guy. She looks cute.
Speaker 13: That's a problem.
Speaker 2: But Steven is an old party machine man. You would
Speaker 2: love it to be this easy if it was decades ago.
Speaker 2: Couse fedikeb.
Speaker 1: Some of this stuff is garbage, utter garbage.
Speaker 6: Look, I'm not a fan of the way the political
Speaker 6: discourse has evolved. I've never joined Twitter. I don't think
Speaker 6: you can communicate serious see in what used to be
Speaker 6: there one hundred and forty characters or whatever it was.
Speaker 6: You just can't have a serious debate on forms.
Speaker 1: Of social kids.
Speaker 6: I've never digital played that now and this is that
Speaker 6: this is the problem. I mean, I agree with you
Speaker 6: entirely that there is an entirely different culture that's developed.
Speaker 6: I don't think you can simply say that the average
Speaker 6: voters dumb. I think you've got.
Speaker 1: To respect they are.
Speaker 13: They just voted last three years.
Speaker 11: Good.
Speaker 6: Just because just because your party lost doesn't mean you
Speaker 6: get to say this is when you won on preferences.
Speaker 6: You just you just don't get to pick and choose
Speaker 6: which election result you want. So we've got to change
Speaker 6: this from because we lost. All right, it doesn't work
Speaker 6: that way.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to turn this all the way right,
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break here, right, But Lucy
Speaker 2: on my Instagram fee, you can do that little search thing.
Speaker 1: We can see what you've been looking at. Right, what
Speaker 1: you've been looking at?
Speaker 2: Trump? Trump Trump model model, Elton John Rugby, leg Apple
Speaker 2: watches model, model, model, But quick, take a break, model model, model,
Speaker 2: model models, country music.
Speaker 5: Go to bed, Missus Murray, get out.
Speaker 1: Of em a second.
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Speaker 3: Highly recommend Greece, totally enjoyable, lovely people.
Speaker 1: Now I know a lot can change.
Speaker 2: But let's just talk about the past couple of hours,
Speaker 2: let alone weeks.
Speaker 1: Right, what a set of stones on Donald Trump?
Speaker 2: Now I've got to say, I know you whatever, if
Speaker 2: you have one of these people who's looking for the
Speaker 2: wiggle words, come back another night, right, because I'm just
Speaker 2: going to go all in on our much.
Speaker 1: I love this bloke at the moment.
Speaker 2: For how many years American presidents or back channels to
Speaker 2: send a message to Israel and a back channel to
Speaker 2: send a message to Iran? He just goes, nah, I
Speaker 2: told you knock it off by now, I don't care
Speaker 2: who started it. I don't care who finished it. This
Speaker 2: is it, and think of just the clarity. And I
Speaker 2: love he's not buggarizing around with the press conference, bang
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: The world knows how he feels.
Speaker 4: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
Speaker 4: long and so hard that they don't know what the
Speaker 4: fuck they're doing.
Speaker 1: I love the clarity, Megan.
Speaker 3: Yes, And he's got cards to play now, you know,
Speaker 3: because look, Iran is out of cards.
Speaker 14: It really doesn't have much it can do.
Speaker 3: It's been absolutely decimated militarily, and the heads of its
Speaker 3: nuclear program and so on. But we just did Israel
Speaker 3: the biggest solid one could do for the country of Israel.
Speaker 3: And Trump's got some cards to play, so he said,
Speaker 3: you know, f this, you're turning those planes around because
Speaker 3: the ceasefire was broken, you know, by Iran with two
Speaker 3: missiles that didn't hit. They had dropped a missile attack
Speaker 3: right before the ceasefire that was bad, that actually did
Speaker 3: hurt some Israelis, but it was before. And Trump's mad
Speaker 3: that he feels Israel's overreacting and taking the bait in
Speaker 3: response to a rather feckless second or the first breach
Speaker 3: by Iran. And the next post we get is they're
Speaker 3: turning those planes around, you know, and they did.
Speaker 14: McNett Yahu.
Speaker 3: It's not like he's going to take all of his
Speaker 3: marching orders from Trump. But if there's anybody he's got
Speaker 3: to listen to right now, it is Trump.
Speaker 14: I mean, my.
Speaker 3: God, for twenty plus years he's been begging any American
Speaker 3: president to help him and to do for him what
Speaker 3: Trump just did for him. So, you know, Trump does
Speaker 3: not want this thing to fall apart because some lunatic
Speaker 3: Iranian at some ballistic missile site pressed go twice.
Speaker 14: In the wake. You know, the wee hours of the ceasefire.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's like, you don't you have to
Speaker 3: treat everything like it's an eleven I think is what
Speaker 3: Trump was trying to say. That's how we got into
Speaker 3: never ending conflict here. Why don't we try to pretend
Speaker 3: it still is a ceasefire and behave accordingly.
Speaker 1: And I've got to say too, I've just been thinking
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, ten years since he came down.
Speaker 2: The Golden escalator, all the highs, all the lows, literally
Speaker 2: being shot at, almost going to Jile. But it was
Speaker 2: the frustration of dealing with these two nations that brought
Speaker 2: out the first public f bomb that I've heard him
Speaker 2: ever say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't heard him say it except for like
Speaker 3: in a joking context, you know, at his rallies here
Speaker 3: or there, and very infrequently he doesn't drop it a lot.
Speaker 3: I've never heard him say it like as a matter
Speaker 3: of frustration on US policy. I mean, that was something
Speaker 3: and he did it intentionally. You know, Trump knows what
Speaker 3: he's doing, especially when it comes to marketing and messaging,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure he is incredibly frustrated with these powers.
Speaker 3: How about Trump is you know, while he's had very
Speaker 3: strong feelings about the world, the nation, the economies, and
Speaker 3: military conflicts for decades. Dealing with the Middle East is
Speaker 3: especially sticky wicket, and I don't think that's something you
Speaker 3: fully understand until you're in it full time.
Speaker 14: And he's been dealing with.
Speaker 3: Steve Whitcoff, his friend who he made Middle East Envoy,
Speaker 3: and also that's the guy dealing with Russia Ukraine, and
Speaker 3: it's just an impossible situation. Look how many brilliant minds
Speaker 3: have tried to solve it, how many US presidents have
Speaker 3: tried to be the one to swoop in and solve it.
Speaker 14: It feels extremely unsolvable.
Speaker 3: I mean, you cannot get Hamas and Iran to soften
Speaker 3: up on their feelings about Israel and its right to exist,
Speaker 3: nor can you talk the Israelis out of their belief
Speaker 3: that they should go on existing and they have the
Speaker 3: right to live. So it's like it's almost unsolvable in
Speaker 3: a way other than trying to just convince each side
Speaker 3: to put down their arms. And by each side, I
Speaker 3: really do mean the Iranians and its proxies, because they're
Speaker 3: just so determined to kill Israel.
Speaker 14: Isn't Jews.
Speaker 3: So so many men have tried, you know, men in
Speaker 3: positions of power, and succeeded for a short time in
Speaker 3: the field. It took Trump getting to be president and
Speaker 3: actually starting to really immerse himself in the Middle East.
Speaker 3: I think to learn it firsthand. I think that's what
Speaker 3: we were hearing today with the use of that F bomb,
Speaker 3: just his personal frustration at the impossibility of this conflict.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also again I go back to just the clarity right
Speaker 2: where he goes, Look, I understand that, you know, generally
Speaker 2: speaking these conversations, there's no goldilocks place where it's just
Speaker 2: right because you this and that, before and before that
Speaker 2: and after this, and you know, there's always a way
Speaker 2: to justify not being the one to draw a line.
Speaker 2: But he's saying, hey, we're the ones here, let's draw
Speaker 2: the freaking line. But then what about the action packed
Speaker 2: flight on his way to Europe, where again in real time,
Speaker 2: bang bang bang bang bang. You know, pudin Nen Yahoo,
Speaker 2: He's just he's getting stuff done, watching a movie while
Speaker 2: flying in between engagements.
Speaker 1: This is a working plane.
Speaker 3: I think President Trump is exactly what we needed to be.
Speaker 3: You know, he really is feeling very strong, fired up
Speaker 3: and free.
Speaker 14: You know, he didn't listen, look, look how he It's
Speaker 14: just a.
Speaker 3: Pattern with him, no matter how much stress is put
Speaker 3: on him or you know, circumstances that would make most
Speaker 3: of us crumble and not get out of our beds.
Speaker 3: It's almost like he feeds off of it. You know,
Speaker 3: the more you try to beat him down, the greater
Speaker 3: he grows. And I think the most recent circumstances last
Speaker 3: week was while he was trying to weigh what to do.
Speaker 3: For the first time in decades, an American president had
Speaker 3: been asked by the Israelis to drop a bomb on Iran,
Speaker 3: and the circumstances.
Speaker 14: Made it a very viable option, right.
Speaker 3: It had been a much more difficult decision, I think
Speaker 3: in some ways in the past when Iranian's proxy Iranian
Speaker 3: proxies were still strong, they hadn't been decimated by Israel
Speaker 3: in a lengthy couple of year war. And so you know,
Speaker 3: Trump was asked to make a tough decision and he
Speaker 3: was able to say yes one other presidents weren't. And
Speaker 3: in part it was because he had better circumstances because
Speaker 3: of the hobbling of the proxies of Iran, But in
Speaker 3: part it was because Trump has zero f to give
Speaker 3: about criticism even from his top political allies.
Speaker 1: She's awesome, isn't she, Megan Kelly. Of course he'll find
Speaker 1: her in all different places, particularly YouTube. Series six.
Speaker 2: Sam, I wasn't going to talk about the grains in
Speaker 2: one night, and I promise I'll get to this graft
Speaker 2: tomorrow