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Speaker 1: Hi, my Boris and this is straight Talk Meani Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to straight Talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having me. Confidence versus competence. You

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Speaker 2: can't control how confident you're going to feel on the day,

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Speaker 2: but what you can control is how competent you are

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Speaker 2: going to execute your skills. And once you've done that

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Speaker 2: one hundred times whole season, two, whole season, three, whole seasons,

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Speaker 2: that's when a little bit of confidence comes into it.

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Speaker 2: That's where you really can believe that you're going to

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Speaker 2: win that gold medal. Only in the last five years

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Speaker 2: have I really gone in this journey of I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be shipped this. Why have I dedicated my

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Speaker 2: whole life to not go anywhere? I want to win

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Speaker 2: the Olympic gold medal. I want to do something with

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Speaker 2: my career. And I kind of said to everyone, get

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Speaker 2: the hell on my bus or get out because this

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Speaker 2: is what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: So we win a gold medal, what do you do

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Speaker 1: that night?

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Speaker 2: Do you really want to know?

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Speaker 1: Me and Kennedy, Welcome to straight Talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for having me so cool here. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's massive. Well, congratulations, Hey feeling oh I feeling.

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Speaker 2: I feel good. I feel a little bit like I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of stuck in this whirlwind still, and I think

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Speaker 2: it'll hit me maybe in like a few years that

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Speaker 2: I've won the Olympic gold medal, and a few years

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Speaker 2: I think so really, yeah, I think what I found

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Speaker 2: is sometimes you like, do these really cool things in

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Speaker 2: your career and only really hits home a few years later.

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Speaker 2: In hindsight, you're like, oh my god, I did that.

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Speaker 1: So it's funny you should say. I've sort of been

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Speaker 1: nothing on Olympics, but I have something happened to me

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Speaker 1: once in my life and everyone thought it was like

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Speaker 1: a big deal. And I was in New York when

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Speaker 1: the thing finished, and I just said, there a moment

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Speaker 1: can be a bit of any climax. I think that's

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Speaker 1: everybody thinks that I'm one of them thinking, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: like she must have just got mental with happiness and joy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I saw you run around with the flag

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Speaker 1: and really after you did the jump, and you know

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Speaker 1: was that moment of elation. But when you reflect on it.

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Speaker 1: When do you reflect on it? Do you reflect on

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Speaker 1: it like that night or after the after party, or

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Speaker 1: when do you start reflecting on these things?

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Speaker 2: And you're right, you know a little bit of elation.

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Speaker 2: It was honestly like the best week of my whole life.

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Speaker 1: You mean during the competition or after that whole.

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Speaker 2: Week of probably the day of my competition to like

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Speaker 2: the week after all my friends, all my family are

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Speaker 2: in Paris, it will be like the best week of

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Speaker 2: my whole life. I think probably why it hasn't sunk

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Speaker 2: So I'm going back to Europe next week, wow, doing

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Speaker 2: four more competitions, so I'm kind of still in that

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Speaker 2: and actually just have a break, that's when I'll reflect.

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Speaker 2: That's when I'll go back and watch the competition and

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Speaker 2: you know, like do some journaling and just sit by

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean. That's not the end of

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Speaker 1: the season. So the Olympics is sort of like something

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Speaker 1: gets inserted into your season, but the season runs independentty

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Speaker 1: of the Olympics. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: So what's the season? What's that mean? What to look like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of like. The Diamond League circuit

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Speaker 2: is the elite circuit for athletics. It's mostly in Europe,

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Speaker 2: some in America, some in China, but predominantly in Europe.

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Speaker 2: And there's twelve competitions a year and then you have

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Speaker 2: to compete in all of them to gain points and

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Speaker 2: they take six to the final. And that is as athletes,

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Speaker 2: how we make our money.

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Speaker 1: You get paid for this yeah, oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so appearance fee and then prize money. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Really, it's called the Diamond League. Is it league excellent?

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Speaker 2: The start list will be you know, eight to ten

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Speaker 2: Yep. So this is every event on track and field,

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Speaker 1: So you go the Diamond League and you see this

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Speaker 1: twelve appearances is that like one a month?

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Speaker 2: So twelve competitions, so there'll be six women's and six

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Speaker 2: if you've qualified, you'll make the final, right.

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Speaker 1: So and is it decent money? Like, ah, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, decent money and athletics for what it is, it's

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Speaker 1: And do you have to wear like gear to sort

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Speaker 1: Jacket sponsored there?

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Speaker 1: Is that eighty five degrees pharanot in this room? And

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Speaker 1: human is one of your sponsors?

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Speaker 1: And do they do you get like as in shoes?

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Speaker 1: And is that because I've often wanted, Hey, you make money?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you support yourself? Clearly you got

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's money. And just to maybe put in

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Speaker 2: No, you know, you pick and choose. And I think

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Speaker 1: But the mix is pretty good when the gold medal

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Speaker 2: But but you know, you look at others in the

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Speaker 2: the around tipnesses and you know the Emma mckeeons. They

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Speaker 2: do a lot of that stuff now, So I still

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Speaker 2: feel like I have a little bit more to given spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you could end up down the Melbourne Cup

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Speaker 1: And well that happens because you're famous. You are famous,

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, but you're much more famous right now.

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Speaker 1: You are famous. You're the dude like you have got

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Speaker 1: a gold medal, and I have to my favorite event.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everyone loves a swimming and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: the four hundreds. But pole vaulting is one of my

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Speaker 1: mean just athletically, but I mean like running down with

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Speaker 1: it's like, so I got to ask you, what the

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Speaker 2: It's probably the question I get asked and Mo's, but

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Speaker 2: it is good question. So you know, Steve Hooker won

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Speaker 2: the Beijing two thousand and eight Olympic Games.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic was it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was fantastic, and you know it was the

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Speaker 2: And you know a few years later, you're you know,

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Speaker 1: So you were a young, young little athletics competitor. Not

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Speaker 1: little athletics is across Australia. It's a great movement, especially

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Speaker 2: when I was maybe eleven or twelve. So but yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a Margaret River Little Athletics Club and there's lots

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Speaker 1: You know, it's big because my eye for sons and

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Speaker 1: they were all they all did something with little athletic

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Speaker 1: athletics at one stage or other. None of them were

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Speaker 1: just I thought what I was pretty important is this

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Speaker 1: support that they give everybody for example, And also you

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Speaker 1: So when a little kid does pole volt do they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're all over it. It's just it's just miniatured

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Speaker 1: That's cool. So when when this coach dude found you,

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Speaker 2: For a little bit? Not anymore?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, So when this individual found you, what attributes

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Speaker 1: What is that? What do you mean by Because you've

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Speaker 2: You just got to be a tough little tacker, you know.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to be fast. You've got to be

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Speaker 1: Really, So we can we do you mind if I

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Speaker 2: Is you basically hit the nail on the head. So

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Speaker 2: So let's break it down. So you need to run

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Speaker 2: to fling you. Is the basic basic physics of it.

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Speaker 1: So, but there is that relative to weight or mass,

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Speaker 1: And then because it wouldn't mat and so have is

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much your weight, but I'm probably

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Speaker 1: So is so if you're there alongside another female who's

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Speaker 1: Of course, assuming both got the same skill level, same technique.

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Speaker 2: So my power to weight ratio will be higher than hers,

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Speaker 2: which means I'm putting more force into that pole, which

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Speaker 1: So skill way, So like in terms technique.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's what's really cool about it.

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Speaker 1: So, like, because that takes me back to Steve. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm chucking the after burners on halfway down

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Speaker 1: You're you've got to have the so the glut strength

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Speaker 1: That's pretty important. So we'll come back to that and

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Speaker 2: Two kilos at all. It's not something you think about.

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Speaker 2: I think it's two to three. It's so it's it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So my run up length. Women normally jump fourteen

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Speaker 1: So and then as an adjunct to that, then I

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Speaker 2: It's both. I like to think of it as like

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Speaker 1: Yes, because if you don't you can I guess we

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Speaker 1: So let's let's take the biomechanics scientist, the person I

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Speaker 1: They then probably watch you know what your skill looks like.

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Speaker 1: They're actually coming back to your status and you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. You know, some athletes buy into it

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Speaker 2: So here's done a lot of work on YEP, on gate,

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Speaker 1: If I could just then move on to the skill part,

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Speaker 1: As fiberglass? Is it so good? Snap?

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Speaker 1: Is that a thing? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Have you snapped them?

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Speaker 2: I haven't touched for it, but a lot of people

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Speaker 2: So sometimes you get them off the plane and they're broken.

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Speaker 2: Oh really the first time you jump on them and

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Speaker 1: So you have your own like set of you quite

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Speaker 1: a few of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have like twelve. I would take to the

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Speaker 2: Olympic Games to twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but are they all for different conditions or something,

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Speaker 2: The same, They're the same length, they're all different stiffnesses

439
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Speaker 2: really yeah.

440
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Speaker 1: Of course, So the thickness of the fiberglass and relates

441
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Speaker 1: to the stiffnesses or do they put something into the

442
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Speaker 1: fiberglass to get stiffened up a bit?

443
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Speaker 2: I should know this. We're getting too technical from me.

444
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,479
Speaker 1: I was driving stuff.

445
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: You know, how I like to think about it is

446
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: that if we put two boxes and we balance the

447
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 2: pole between them, and we put the same weight on

448
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Speaker 2: every single pole, the softer ones would bend more, the

449
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 2: stifferent onesouldn't bend as much. Right, So the stiff of

450
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: the pole, the higher I'm going to jump.

451
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 1: So how do you work at which one you want?

452
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: Well, depending on the height of the bar. So, you know,

453
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: started the Olympic Games, I'm going to enter the competition

454
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Speaker 2: at four forty. I'm going to finish the competition at

455
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Speaker 2: four ninety. So I'm going to take, you know, a

456
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Speaker 2: relatively smaller pole for the earlier heights, and I'm going

457
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Speaker 2: to build my way in and you know, get the

458
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Speaker 2: biggest pole out of my bag for those highest jumps

459
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Speaker 2: at the end.

460
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Speaker 1: So so the biggest pole is that also the stiffest pole? Yes,

461
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Speaker 1: so the stiff stiffest pole. So you're so you're you've

462
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Speaker 1: got two poles this, so you're just basically calibrating which

463
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Speaker 1: pole you're going to use depending on which height you

464
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Speaker 1: need to jump exactly. Why don't you just if you

465
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Speaker 1: pardon my ignance, but why don't you just use the

466
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Speaker 1: stiffest pole to jump the lowest one? Because I mean,

467
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: you're going to easily clear it. I would have thought you. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 1: there's a reason why you don't.

469
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Speaker 2: It's it's a great question, and I get asked that

470
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Speaker 2: all the time, and I think the best example I

471
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: can use is kind of like, you know, you left weights,

472
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Speaker 2: you're in the gym. Me personally, I'm lifting my heaviest,

473
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: probably my last set. That's when you're really maxing.

474
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Speaker 1: Out, do you Yeah?

475
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: That makes sense? Yeah, souse, there's still more in you,

476
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: you know?

477
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? So where is someone like you have? Me? I

478
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: just can't understand how you get up there? But like,

479
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: there's no point explaining it to me because I never

480
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: get unless I try it. And there's not much likelihood

481
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Speaker 1: without happening at this point in my life. But when

482
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: you're when you put that into the shoe into the box,

483
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Speaker 1: the pole into the box, and you're you can feel

484
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Speaker 1: yourself traveling forward. What are the thoughts that are going

485
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: through your mind? Or is it just all automatic? I mean, like,

486
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Speaker 1: I've got to make sure I get my dot bloody

487
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: touches the bar on the way down and I'm clearing

488
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Speaker 1: it properly, Like what it's going through your head because

489
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Speaker 1: there's a fair few seconds. It's not like it's happening

490
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Speaker 1: in a flash.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit of both. You know, when you're

492
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Speaker 2: running in so fast and you're jumping in the air,

493
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: you have a millisecond to hit those positions correctly, otherwise

494
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: you're not going to clear the bar. So you're just

495
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: executing your cues as well as you can. And you're right,

496
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: the jump doesn't happen that quickly, And there are moments

497
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Speaker 2: in the jump where you can feel your body and

498
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: feel where you are and feel where the bar is

499
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: and you're like, okay, get back a little bit more,

500
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: or pull a little bit more, or sucking you tell

501
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: me a little bit more, get over the bar. So

502
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: you do have those moments to think about it.

503
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Speaker 1: So have you ever have you ever cleared it really easily,

504
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: but some dumb things happen. You've actually touched with your

505
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: little finger, or you know, your ponytails flipped or something,

506
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: And have you ever done something really weird like that,

507
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: Like that's yeah, just because that bares just take much

508
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 1: to move it.

509
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: Or you know, the bar is sitting on like a

510
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: ten centimeter metal peg, so if you touch it, it's

511
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: probably going to fall. And the bars as flat and

512
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: then it's rounded at the top, so if you even

513
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: touch it a little bit, it's going to hit the

514
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: round and it's going to slote off, so you really

515
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: can't touch it. The only weirdest thing I've done is

516
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: sometimes if i wear my hair and a ponytail and

517
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: I'll be planting my pole in the box, sometimes I'll

518
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: grub my ponytail with my hand. It's kind of confusing

519
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: to say, but I've never really had any really bad

520
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: falls or stacks. My training partner, you know, boys jump

521
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: about six meters up in the air. He's missed the

522
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: mat before and landed both heels shattered.

523
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: Both of them, so leg on the ground.

524
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a pretty dangerous sport. But luckily nothing

525
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: too bad has ever happened to me.

526
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Speaker 1: Can we talk about injuries? Do you get most of

527
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: your injuries in the prep or do you get most

528
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: of your injuries at the comp.

529
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh, it's in the prep, you know, That's where you're

530
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 2: pushing your body the hardest, the furthest you know, that's

531
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 2: where all the work's done. Right, Competing is the fun part.

532
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: But you would you would? You've already mentioned that you have,

533
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: like like like this year you've been doing the league,

534
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: so like it's it's not because I didn't realize that,

535
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: but so I just assume that you might have a

536
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: prep period of say twelve weeks before the Olympics, before

537
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,479
Speaker 1: the Olympic day or the day of your event, but

538
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: it's not you. You're basically at call pretty much peaked

539
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: all the time during the year in order to compete.

540
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: Is that how you work?

541
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 2: So the Olympics were let's just say the start of August.

542
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: I was competing from the start of June. So June July,

543
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm getting my last competitions in. I'm figuring out all

544
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: those technical things. I'm seeing those girls that are going

545
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: to be in the Olympic final at those Diamond League competitions,

546
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: so I know the same ones, Yeah, the same one.

547
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: So I know what form every girl is in. And

548
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: you know, I beat all of them in all my

549
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: lead up competitions, so it was really mine to lose.

550
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: So I start competing in June, and you know, my

551
00:26:53,680 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: prep is probably from November until yeah May, so I'm training,

552
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: getting fit, working it all out, competing and then going

553
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: into the Olympics.

554
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Speaker 1: And what does that mean though? Does that mean no booze?

555
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: You know, no night's out? I mean, what's it look like?

556
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: How committed do you have to be?

557
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: You have to figure out what works for you?

558
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some balance, yeah.

559
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: And a lot of athletes don't do that. And a

560
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: lot of athletes think they have to be all in

561
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: or nothing. And then you see the other athletes that

562
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: are too relaxed. And I think what I found with

563
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: me is I had to really work that out. What

564
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: do I need to thrive as human? So I'm going

565
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: to be the best athlete I can be. So yeah,

566
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: you know, I probably drunk like once or twice this year.

567
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: But you know, when you have a goal so big,

568
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: it doesn't really feel like a sacrifice. It's more like

569
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: this is what I'm doing and these are the things

570
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: that are going to get me there.

571
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess when you've got friends, do you

572
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: do all this? In Perth? All person a pretty social place,

573
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: especially for your age group cohort. Because I lived over

574
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: a fw years, I just know it's very very social

575
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: compared to but everyone sort of not everyone knows every everyone.

576
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: That's sort of understelling it a bit, but it's a

577
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: broad friendship can exist in Perth amongst people because they

578
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: tend to sort of go to the same places and

579
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: a lot of went to school there, you know, et cetera.

580
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: And especially if you're in the athletic environment, and you'd

581
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: be very well known in Perth, especially how you be

582
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: very you would have been very well known before. Though,

583
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: how do you do you? Are you a person who

584
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: then would obsess about not getting involved in the social

585
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: life there and obsess about my training regime? Or are

586
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: you someone who just yields to your training and your

587
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: coach for example, and just let someone else take control

588
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: of that, just yield to it and just say, okay,

589
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: time or day to be there, what time you want

590
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: to be training? You know how many hours are going

591
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: to do? How do you have you approach it?

592
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: The thing I love about being an individual athlete is

593
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: that one hundred percent of the accountability falls on you,

594
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: so kind of giving that power over to a coach

595
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: and you know you trust them. But how I like

596
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: to look at it is, at the end of the day,

597
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: if I fail at the Olympics, coach, you still get paid.

598
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: I don't.

599
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: Who pays a coach?

600
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: So the Institute of Sport, right, Okay, you know, so

601
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: you will still get paid. I won't. So I need

602
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: to take one hundred percent of the accountability onto myself. Right.

603
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: So I'm figuring out and I've done this for years.

604
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm figuring out how to get the best version of

605
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: myself and the best athlete I can be out onto

606
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: the Olympic Games. So yeah, I've kind of figured it out.

607
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: And that means just for example, you know, like you

608
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: said about the Perth social scene, It's like, okay, coach,

609
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: I know I need the weekend off over Easter to

610
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: spend it with my friends and family because that's wholesome

611
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: and that's going to fill my cup up and I'm

612
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: going to come back to training the next week feeling fresh, fun, refreshed,

613
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: and I'm going to give my best at training.

614
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, you sound fairly balanced. But some people like

615
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: fully obsessed with what they do and they never really

616
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: think I'm going to come back refreshed and fun. Some

617
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: people sort of are so obsessed about the outcome of

618
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: the final result that they can't they can't allow themselves

619
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: these few moments, you know, like let's call frivolous moments

620
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: where they're just hanging out with their family and their friends,

621
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: even if it's just for a couplies, and it doesn't

622
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: mean if you drink it. But some people just can't

623
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: do that. How is it that you're able to think

624
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: that way, which is actually quite balanced.

625
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've learned the hard way that it

626
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: feels weird giving this control up and going for a

627
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: weekend away. It feels really straight because I want to

628
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: control everything, but I know that that is the best

629
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: thing for me.

630
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: So just it's a little bit of conflict.

631
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, just give in, enjoy the weekend, and like this

632
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: is good for you, Nina, Like it's not going to

633
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: kill you. And you really just have to hear all

634
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: the voices for what they are and hear all those

635
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: voices and just know what's best for you and learn

636
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: from that really really well.

637
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: Were together from your parents or friends or other family members.

638
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: Who's the person that's sort of taught you that or

639
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: you just learn through hard I think.

640
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: I think coming back to that thing of one hundred

641
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: percent accountability. You know, I missed the twenty sixteen Olympic

642
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Games when I was meant to qualify. My whole family

643
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: and my whole extended family went to the Olympics thinking

644
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 2: I was going to qualify and I didn't, And you know,

645
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: I was eighteen nineteen at that time. And you just

646
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: learn these really hard lessons in sport the hard way.

647
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: And who does that fall line, doesn't fall, my CoA

648
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: doesn't follow, my family falls on me, like get back up.

649
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: Learn because you're the one that needs to make money, right,

650
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: So you just learn those lessons.

651
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I think what you're sort of saying to me, then,

652
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: all the way I'm interveting it is that you're looking

653
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: at this as a business. This is your business. Your

654
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: business is being an athlete, specifically a fault, but you're

655
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: an athlete. Your business is winning medals and to some extent,

656
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: being a bit of an entertainer. There's an element of

657
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: an entertainment in there, and that's fine. But at the

658
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: same time, you become in entertainment when you've got to

659
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: do both. What is therefore, I'd love to know what

660
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: your mindset is, and because I just imagine pole voting

661
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: looks like something you've got to be in control of.

662
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: What I mean is in the event, at the act

663
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: of pole vaulting, it is full about control. You've got

664
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: to run a certain speed, you've got to get the

665
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: thing into the box, and then you've got to get

666
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: over it. You've got to do everything exactly right. So

667
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: you must have your brain, your mindset must be full control.

668
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: Yet you've got to yield your control for these little

669
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: weekends and things that you've got to do. How do

670
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: you how do you change? I mean I understand that

671
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty sixteen you didn't have a good

672
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: run and you had to change, you know, the way

673
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: you thought about things will you had to become fully accountable.

674
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: But how do you change your mindset from being someone

675
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: who's fully in control to being somebody who's going to

676
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: loosen up per control?

677
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: I think coming back to what you said about you

678
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: know it is a business, and I like to think

679
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: that I am the CEO of my business. You know

680
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 2: you are. I'm accountable. So I really had to figure

681
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: out how to get the best out of myself, and

682
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: that meant I really had to get to know myself.

683
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: Who am I, Why the hell am I doing this

684
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: crazy sport, and what do I want to get out

685
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: of it? So it almost forced me, in a weird

686
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: way to go on this self discovery journey of me

687
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: as a human and me as an athlete and why

688
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: am I here? Why am I doing this crazy thing?

689
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: What do I want to do? And I answered those

690
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: questions and it took a lot of years, and it

691
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: just took a lot of getting to know myself, like

692
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: we're not taught how to do that in school, And

693
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: it just meant spending a lot of time with myself,

694
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: reading a lot of books, doing a lot of listening

695
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: to podcasts, doing a lot of journaling, and just getting

696
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: outside of my comfort zone and knowing that if I

697
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: wanted to win the Olympics or if I wanted to

698
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: master this thing, I was going to have to get

699
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,240
Speaker 2: uncomfortable and ask myself tough questions.

700
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Because you know, I know, business people who are always

701
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: trying to work out how they get their mindset right

702
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: or get the business mindset right, the mindset of the business,

703
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: and it is about mastering yourself and the business thinking

704
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: the way the business thinks. And that's sort of what

705
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: you have had to do for yourself. And then of

706
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: course every business always has you know, nothing works perfectly.

707
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter how well you prepare. Shit happens,

708
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: and you know, the economy could turn around and your

709
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: business injuries happened, just you don't perform as well, and

710
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: then you have to take a step back and sort

711
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: of reset a bit. So how do you reset? I mean,

712
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: what do you do after twenty sixteen?

713
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: Well, let's just you know, let's just take what you

714
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: said about like, Okay, you didn't perform as well, or

715
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: you've got injuries and it's like okay, let's you know,

716
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: have a victim mentality and play in the world and

717
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: oh I got unlucky, or it's like okay, why did

718
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: that happens?

719
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: Often not come outside of your bed, Yeah, like why.

720
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: Did that injury happen? Why didn't I perform as well?

721
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: What needs to change? Let's have tough conversations with my physio, like,

722
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: let's get to the core of this and let's work

723
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: it out and let's make sure that never happens again.

724
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: So so you would challenge the physia for example, Yeah, of.

725
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: Course, or it would just be you know, back to

726
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: this accountability, okay, like it's no one's fault. Let's just

727
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: learn from this, Like let's be vulnerable, let's admit when

728
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: we make mistakes, and let's learn as this and let's

729
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: grow together as a team.

730
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's interesting again because if I go back

731
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: to the business analogy, you know, success is always built

732
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: upon the shoulders of others, not just one person. You've

733
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: got to have a team. In terms of you get

734
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: allocated a team, I guess people sort of say, well,

735
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: here's your coach, and here's your psychologist, and here's your

736
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: strength fitness person, et cetera. But at the same time,

737
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's fine, which means you don't have to

738
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: hunt these people down. But there is a part of

739
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: that does require you, and that is for you to

740
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: work within your team, for your team, and with your team,

741
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: and have them working for you as well in a

742
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: way that suits you your style. And I don't mean

743
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: as your style in terms of your personality, but your

744
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: physical style. Like you've got to know, well, I'm not tall,

745
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: but I'm powerful and fast. Therefore I need you to

746
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: recognize that, mister physio or mister strength trainer, is that

747
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: how you operate? Do you go through those conversations?

748
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, And you're right, like, majority of the

749
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: time we are, you know, in this institute and we're

750
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: in this program and here's your coach, here's your physio,

751
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: And sometimes you do get to outsource. You do get

752
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: to you know, like I said, read books, isn't the podcast?

753
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: You know, do your own learning and challenge people and

754
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: those conversations.

755
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: Would you bring it back to them? They so listen,

756
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: I course heard this. Can we try this?

757
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: Of course? And you know I'm twenty seven now and

758
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for fifteen years and only in

759
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: maybe the last five years have I really gone in

760
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: this journey of sorry to swear, but I don't want

761
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: to be shipped at this. Why have I dedicated my

762
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: whole life to not go anywhere. I want to win

763
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: the Olympic gold medal. I want to do something with

764
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: my career. And I kind of said to everyone, get

765
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: the hell on my bus or get out because this

766
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: is what I'm doing.

767
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: So you call the team meeting, Yeah, of course.

768
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, serious, And you know I'm a twenty you know,

769
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: I was what twenty maybe twenty three at the time,

770
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: and going back to that strange power dynamic of coach

771
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: first athlete and they're employed and they're getting paid, but

772
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm not. And you know, I need to find personal

773
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: sponsors and I need to drive my own ship. And guys,

774
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: this is what I want to do. Let's do this together.

775
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: And your team is mostly male and female or combat whatever.

776
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: It's mostly male. There are a few females.

777
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: So how do they take that? Like he's a young woman,

778
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: like yeah in the twenties. Yeah, telling them they've probably

779
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: been doing this forever because they're in the Institute of

780
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: Sports so obviously the experience and been around a while. Yeah,

781
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: you're not saying, this is what I want to do.

782
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: Let's this is the program.

783
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.

784
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: But you don't feel intimidated at any stage.

785
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: I've never actually asked that question, but I think they

786
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: were excited. You know, they know the type of athlete

787
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: I am. They can see the talent, they can see

788
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: the clear work ethic, and you know, I think if

789
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: I asked him in a few months time, once all

790
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: the dust has settled, I think they'll say, you know,

791
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: we wanted to be on this journey with her, and god,

792
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: it wasn't easy. There was some really really tough conversations

793
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: and a lot of the time it would god, let's

794
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: get so vulnerable and let's cry, and this is so awkward,

795
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: but this is making us better, right.

796
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: Like really you would sit around and like literally be

797
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: like that, like.

798
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, I'd have a really bad training

799
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: session and I would be yelling and I would be

800
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: throwing my poll and I'd be crying, and it's a

801
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: really awkward situation. And they would say something wrong and

802
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, if you like blah blah blah,

803
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: and you know, we'd all have to cool down and

804
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: come back and regroup and say, oh, look, I'm really

805
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: sorry I said that. I didn't mean that in the

806
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: heat of the moment. And you learn from that and

807
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: you be better at the next session, and Okay, I'm

808
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: never going to make that mistake again. I felt really

809
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: bad when I said that, And now they know not

810
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: to say that when I do this, and you just

811
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: learn and we've been on this journey for you know,

812
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: a good four years now where we just know each

813
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: other so well.

814
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, to some extent, then you're you know, I

815
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: can see you're doing a speech in the future and leadership,

816
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: but that's sort of like someone has to take control.

817
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: And everyone would assume that the coach is a leader,

818
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: but really the leader of the team should be the athlete,

819
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: because you're the one with everything at stake, Yes, because

820
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: you're the one putting the most things at risk you can.

821
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: And what you're risking is time for nothing.

822
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly.

823
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: And that's the greatest ass that we have is time.

824
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: Time for nothing is like the biggest waste if we

825
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: get nothing for the time we spend. It doesn't mean

826
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you always have to be successful, but

827
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: you have to get the best possible outcome on under circumstances,

828
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, putting injuries and other things aside. It's amazing

829
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: that at a young age you work that stuff out though.

830
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it is quite amazing. And I

831
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: think I just came back to that thing of like

832
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: why am I doing this? Like, you know, I saw

833
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: all my friends go in this different trajectory. You know,

834
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: they finish at UNI and now they're working full time

835
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: jobs and they're traveling and they're living their lives. And

836
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm doing this aroundom sport, trying to get paid. And

837
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: it was like, I'm going to make something of this

838
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: or I'm going to stop. So like, let's give it

839
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: a red hot crack.

840
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: Right, So did you say, look, if I don't, let's

841
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: take World Championships or some other event as opposed to them,

842
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: because you say, if I don't meddle at the world, yeah,

843
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: then that's it. Do do you put like dead stops

844
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: on things?

845
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: I remember I had this conversation with my boyfriend at

846
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: the time, and it felt really strange because he was

847
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: working full time, playing foot you on the weekends, working

848
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: really hard, making money, and I was just cole vaulting

849
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: with no shoe contract. I get to get a bit

850
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: of as government funding. But I'd go to training and

851
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: I'd come home and i'd sleep and I'd recover, and

852
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: I felt so lazy just watching him do that. And

853
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: remember we had this conversation and he's like, you know,

854
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: I can see that you really love this, and I

855
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: can see you really want to make it. And I

856
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: was like, I just feel so bad because I'm not

857
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: contributing to anything. And he said, okay, why don't you

858
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: just stop working and give it a red hot crack,

859
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: you know, put all your eggs in this basket. Doesn't

860
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: who cares about money. Let's just you know, go to

861
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: two to three years and if you haven't made it

862
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: by then, then you can then you can say you've tried.

863
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, I did that. I rolled the dice. I

864
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: wanted to see what would happen, and yeah, I got

865
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: my full time shoe contract, really good paying. I could,

866
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: you know, be a full time athlete. And that's where

867
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: I started to meddle at World championships and win diamond

868
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: leagues and that was kind of the start of my

869
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: professional career.

870
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: How do you how do you go about getting sort

871
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: of sponsorship from people like Puman for example? Like how

872
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: does it work? I mean you have to go out

873
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: and apply or do they tap you on the shoulder.

874
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: It's an interesting space to navigate. Essentially, you have an

875
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: agent and you have a manager and yep, you know,

876
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: you just get a shoe contract. You know, athletics is

877
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: really big in the States and it's really big in Europe,

878
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: and you know, it's minuscule here. So all my competitions

879
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: over there, all my money comes from there.

880
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, So because you know, we did get confronted

881
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: and I even put up a post about this about

882
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: the some of the other countries the amount of money

883
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: they pay their gold medalists for winning gold medal relative

884
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: to what happens here in Australia. Do you think that Australia.

885
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to get political, but do you think

886
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: that we should be paying our athletes more money? I

887
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: think we should And what does that do for Australia?

888
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: For example? Why do you think that.

889
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: I think Australians love sport and you know, the Olympic

890
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: fee of everyone loved it. And if people only knew

891
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: that we're making all our money from personal sponsors and

892
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: endorsements from you know, Australian brands and all that, and

893
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: it's like, yes, we get government you know aas funding,

894
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: but it's minuscule. It is really really minuscule in terms

895
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: of what we do.

896
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: Do you think that every body should get funded with

897
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: or that you should do for example, what China does

898
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: if you win a gold medal I supposed to in

899
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: the other middle you get paid a lot of money.

900
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: Do you think it should be just for the gold

901
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: medalist or for everyone?

902
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: No, I think I think it should be everyone. And

903
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: I don't think it should be a reward. I think

904
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: it should be an investment. You know, let's go back

905
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: to that time when I was talking about where two

906
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: years I wasn't getting paid and that's probably where I

907
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: needed the money to go and do the things I

908
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: needed to do. You know, icepas, good quality food, good psychologists,

909
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: go seeking out all those things. And I remember I

910
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: had to invest a lot of money to get the output.

911
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: And I would be like, I don't have the money,

912
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: but it's an investment in my future and it eventually

913
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: paid off.

914
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: So if I could just sort of switch tack a

915
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: little bit, so you win a gold medal, yep, that

916
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: day they wore the medal, you know, they've seen the

917
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: song that they've seen the national anthelce sort of stuff

918
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: in the crowd and sees you and what what do

919
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: you do that night? Do you really want to know?

920
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: You go mad? Or like, oh I would have gone mental.

921
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: That would have been drinking schooners or whatever was available,

922
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: Like I seriously would like especially that at your age. Nuts.

923
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: So what happens. You gave the village, Hey, let's go out.

924
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: You picked the other athletes who have already finished.

925
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: You come out. No, well, you know, as soon as

926
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: I finished my event, once you go through doping control

927
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: and once you do all the Australian media it was

928
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the three o'clock in the morning.

929
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

930
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: So I honestly literally I rocked up to the club.

931
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: So there's a club in the village or something, so.

932
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Like we just went out out. I rocked up in

933
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: the shorts that I had competed in. I threw on

934
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: an oversized T shirt and I was wearing the sneakers

935
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: that I had.

936
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: You know, good good for the sponsor.

937
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: Jumped in and I was in the club in my

938
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: bloody runners.

939
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: Is like a club in the village or a club

940
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: outside of club outside it's in power somewhere. Yeah yeah,

941
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and you just rip go. It's just like, oh,

942
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: you're you're so stuffed.

943
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: No, I'm going out dancing. I'm like I'm going for it. Yeah,

944
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: like I just want to live.

945
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: A gold medal dude, you walk around with the middle on.

946
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: Did you have your medal on? No?

947
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: I didn't.

948
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: I didn't, and it was the most athletes.

949
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: It was athletes centered, but you know they were randoms

950
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: and people in the mosh. People would be like, oh

951
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: my god, were you jumping tonight and I'd be like, yeah,

952
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: we watched.

953
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: You a lot of wazzies or just people from every

954
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: week everywhere, because you would know all the other competitors

955
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: too from other countries as well.

956
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

957
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everyone's sort of congratulating you. And by the end,

958
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: how long did you say, like when you want to

959
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: back to the village.

960
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: Way, go back to the village at like, yeah, six

961
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: thirty seven a year.

962
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: It's not that hectic.

963
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: No, No, not that hectic. Well, we had media the

964
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: next day, and you know, for a sport like athletics,

965
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: you really got to capitalize on the once every four

966
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: years in the in the spot that you get.

967
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: So just bring it on, I'm here. And then the

968
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: other athlete, athletes that you talk to and or like,

969
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: for example, the swimmers, if you talk to swimmers, do

970
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: you go around and sort of say I just want

971
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: to say congratulations with anybody. Do you specifically go seeking

972
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: other people out from the Australian team that you just

973
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: want to say, well, done.

974
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, the swimmers were in the village

975
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: in the first week and the athletics kind of trickles

976
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: in in the second week. And I remember getting to

977
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: the village and I was just like starstruck by like

978
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: Arianne Titness and Emma McKean and Molly and I was like,

979
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 2: oh my god, like these girls are amazing, and you know,

980
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 2: you you eventually like puck up the courage and say hi,

981
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm a huge fan, and it's it's

982
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: always reciprocated, and everyone thinks we're really close, but you

983
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: know we only see each other every four years.

984
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah. Well, you know do similar things to

985
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: what you do, Like all your events during the you

986
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: do they so much. You're going around the world at

987
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: the same time, like doing ex yes or no. You know,

988
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: athletics are probably different, very different. Just swimming for argument's sake. Yeah,

989
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: And how do you feel about I mean, I was

990
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: looking through a thing the number of mostly it was

991
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: females winning gold medals for US. We had some great males, guys,

992
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: some good stuff, but mostly females. Why do you think

993
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: that Australian women are so successful given our size. We're

994
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: not a big country.

995
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know the answer. I'm sorry,

996
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: but it was so nice to see the girls just

997
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: dominate right, totally dominate, totally dominate. And I think off

998
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: the back of the Matilda's you know, lighting up Australia

999
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 2: or in twenty twenty three, it was phenomenal and everyone

1000
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: just jumped on these women and sport bandwagon and I

1001
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: feel like we're still on it. And I just love

1002
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: watching women's sport now.

1003
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: It's funny I do too. And if I'm like right

1004
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: down you're from Perth, but like right down to NROLW

1005
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: rugby league over here, the quality of our rugby league

1006
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: women's rugby league is ridiculous. It's got so good over

1007
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: such a short period. It wasn't great at the beginning,

1008
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: but it's so good now. Their skills are so good

1009
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: and just women generally and everything they do. So I

1010
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: was actually during the Olympics, what I was viewing was

1011
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: mostly around women events, Australian women, and I was, look,

1012
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: you know, I felt so proud that you guys did

1013
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: so well for us. I mean it was great when

1014
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: the guys did things too, but like what the women

1015
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: were doing here for us in Australia, and I kept

1016
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, I just can't understand why Australian women

1017
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: in general are so successful around the relative to the

1018
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: rest of the world. And I often think to myself,

1019
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: it's because we have a higher standard living in this country.

1020
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: And education is pretty good here too, and it's quite

1021
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 1: equivalent in that everyone can get well educated. Maybe private

1022
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: skills are slightly better or whatever, but generally speaking, aguas

1023
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: system so good, and our general system encourages women to

1024
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: play sport, you know, little athletics, or get into the

1025
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: pools some laps, or play footy or what play women's cricket.

1026
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: Look at our women's cricket tamp they're so bloody good.

1027
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: They're like dominant, like fully dominant on a world on

1028
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: a world stage. It's so good to see our women

1029
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: doing so well. Do you ever feel, to yourself feel

1030
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: a little bit sorry for the men?

1031
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 2: No, God, no, they get their spotlight you know every

1032
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: weekend AFL and RL. Yeah, that's true, it is true.

1033
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I also think it just it's

1034
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: it's really refreshing. I think people have to remember when

1035
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: you know, us girls winning at the Olympics. Now when

1036
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: we were little girls, you know, nine, ten and eleven.

1037
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: We didn't have female sports stars in our media. You know,

1038
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: social media didn't exist, and it was only AFL in

1039
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: the papers and AFL and the TVs and women's AFIL

1040
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: didn't exist. So I grow up watching men's sport and

1041
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: it's really cool to see now that the young girls

1042
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: are growing up watching us US. It's really cool.

1043
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: And do you get have you have you been back

1044
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: to Perth yet?

1045
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1046
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: I have. And do they young kids come up and

1047
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: talk to you and especially young girls.

1048
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know there was a few young girls at

1049
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: the airport that just came and you know, welcomed me

1050
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: home just because they were fans. And it was like,

1051
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: oh my god, is this really happening. Or you know,

1052
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: I'll get stopped in the supermarket just you know, by

1053
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: a mom or a dad and they'll say, you know,

1054
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: my three daughters love you, and it's just like, oh

1055
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: my gosh, like they have someone to look up to.

1056
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: And how do you feel about it? Than you like

1057
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: because you're a young woman, and that whole role model

1058
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: thing is that it can be a bit tricky because

1059
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: you've got to be careful as well. There's a responsibility

1060
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: associated with it. And it's not like, yeah, I accept

1061
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: the responsibility. It's not it's put on you. You're now

1062
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: a role model, that's it. Later don't like it, whether

1063
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: it's whether you agreed or don't agree to it, did

1064
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: you seek it or it didn't see it doesn't mean

1065
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: you are our role model. What do you think about that?

1066
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: I think it's a given. You know you're right, whether

1067
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: you like it or not, you're in the media landscape,

1068
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: and I think you need to take that responsibility on.

1069
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: And it is a bit of an intrusion on your

1070
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: private life though too.

1071
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: It is, but you know, you can decide how much

1072
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: you play into it or you don't play into it.

1073
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: You can be in the spotlight and be a recluse,

1074
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: or you can be in the spotlight and go to

1075
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: speaking gigs. You can really choose.

1076
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like Bet, at the same time, I have

1077
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: a little of experiences a little bit. It can become

1078
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: a little bit tiring. You walk down the street, people

1079
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: recognize you straight away and you're very recognizable. So you know,

1080
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: whether you like it or don't like it, that's the case.

1081
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: So it's funny, you know, like the swimmers are less

1082
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: recognizable because they're in the water, you don't really see that.

1083
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: And then when they get the water, the hairs are

1084
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: wet and you don't whereas athletes, and I was watching

1085
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: some of the mirror athletes in particular, also some of

1086
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: the British athletes, particularly the track and field track. The runners,

1087
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: they word promoter is not the right word, but they're

1088
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: all well made up, they're actually quite They make themselves

1089
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: the best look the best possible version of themselves in

1090
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: an attractiveness sense, and the same for pole vaulting, etceter

1091
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: Like you guys, you can't wear makeup in the pool,

1092
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: you're you look like you're drownd right when you get

1093
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: out right, but so you're much less recognizable in fact.

1094
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: But on the in the track of the field, you

1095
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: make yourself more recognizable because you want to you want

1096
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: to look as good as you can so because you

1097
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: know that helps you later on in some respects and

1098
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: you're obviously got to perform, but it makes you much

1099
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: more noticeable. How important is Have you noticed this and

1100
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: have you bought into it as well over the years,

1101
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: because I've never really noticed. I think this Olympics was

1102
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: the most I've ever noticed. How made up. The women

1103
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: are especial seen one hundred meters and meters and the

1104
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: four meters, like you know, the eyelashes, the whole thing

1105
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: going on.

1106
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 2: Like did you watch Sprint?

1107
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1108
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: On Netflix?

1109
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I watched the first couple of episodes, but

1110
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: then the Olympics started, so I stopped watching it because

1111
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: I found out who was going to win anyway. And

1112
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: it's not just the girl as the boys too.

1113
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, you know, sprint was a great

1114
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: way to get our sport out there, and I think

1115
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 2: it's actually really being led by those one hundred meters girls,

1116
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: one hundred meters boys, and you know the two hundreds

1117
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: and even the fifteen hundreds. But you know, they're glammed up, and.

1118
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: That's the word blamed up.

1119
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: They're blammed up, and they're doing it for the media attention,

1120
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: and they're doing it to get their name and our

1121
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 2: sport out there because compared to a lot of sports,

1122
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: we're not paid that well. Right, so they're showmen and

1123
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: they know what they're doing. It's a business, right.

1124
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Do you get that bit? I mean, do you bind

1125
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: it that yourself? I mean, do you play into it?

1126
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: I do? When I don't, I think it's like, at

1127
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm there to see how

1128
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: far I can take this, and but damn if I

1129
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: need to be paid more, then you know I will

1130
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: buy into that.

1131
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: So I don't think anyone objects to it. No, And

1132
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: I think we like it. I actually think I should

1133
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: like the fact that I like that word glammed up.

1134
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: I like the fact that they are not afraid to

1135
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: represent themselves the way they feels appropriate. Yeah, and you know, like,

1136
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: and fuck anyone who says, well, what are you doing

1137
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: that for? Way? Looking like that when you're about to

1138
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: do your one hundred minute sprint or.

1139
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 2: Wove for that matter, I can look however, I down want.

1140
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: Hotly because that's to me is full confidence. I agree,

1141
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: And because because if you look like that but you

1142
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: can't perform, in other words, you're all show no go.

1143
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: That's a that's a problem with So in other words,

1144
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: if you're going to look like that, if you're going

1145
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: to pitch up, you're going to be able to follow through.

1146
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: And that just tells me that they're fully confident about

1147
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: what they can do on the on the track, on

1148
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: your case, in the field, on the pole vault's that's

1149
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: a new thing that seems to be a new phenomenon

1150
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: that's certainly gained a lot more momentum than ever had

1151
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: in the past.

1152
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right, you know, I think it really

1153
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: just comes back to trying to promote ourselves as individual

1154
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: and also trying to promote our sport. You know, you

1155
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: watch you know Shikari, and she's like, she's just doing

1156
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: these and she's getting her name out there and she's

1157
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: getting rewarded. And noelh Lyles, you know, he enters the

1158
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: track and he's running around, screaming and jumping and he's

1159
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: a show man and loved people talk about it, and

1160
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: that's what the sport needs.

1161
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: I loved it. I actually actually loved it, and it

1162
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: actually gets me excited. I mean, one hundred is prett

1163
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: exciting anyway, though the two hundred he's a well he

1164
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: didn't win the two undred one hundred, but but he

1165
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: normally wins the two hundred, but he wasn't. Well, but

1166
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: they're they're already electric sports, like it's over in a

1167
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: few seconds. And for him, someone like him, he's added

1168
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: a whole new in his case, he added a whole

1169
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: new layer of stuff in this. Did you get to meeting.

1170
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know, but you know, I see him at

1171
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: the Diamond League. So yeah, I've never been like, hello, Noah,

1172
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: I'm Nina, but it's like, I'll see him around.

1173
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: Would you see him at the Domin League, Yeah, I will.

1174
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: You bump into them, yeah, I will bump into him.

1175
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: And what about the female athletes? Did you see any media?

1176
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you travel around the world. You know, Sprint really

1177
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: captures it really well. You travel around the world for

1178
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: you know, four to six months of the year, going

1179
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: from Rome to Paris, to London, to Monaco, to Morocco

1180
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: to you know, America, and you just compete and you

1181
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: stand in these hotels and you eat and you sleep

1182
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: with your competitors and then you go out on the

1183
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: track and you and you do your thing.

1184
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1185
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: It's very cool.

1186
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: And one of the little controversies because I heard you.

1187
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: We're doing an interview after the event with the silver

1188
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: bronze medalists and they were talking about was I don't

1189
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: think you were talking about it that. I think the

1190
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: civil medalists, the American girls talking about it. She was

1191
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 1: saying that, no, it was the bronze medalist. She said

1192
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: what fired her up was that her coach was nearly

1193
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: kicked out of the stadium for some reason. But really

1194
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: what I started to thinking about them was the importance

1195
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: of if she was proposing that the coaches for pole Volt,

1196
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: for example, should have a special place where you can

1197
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: go back and talk to them after you maybe missed

1198
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: the miss one or hit the bar, or whatever the

1199
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: case may be, or determining what height you're going to

1200
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: jump at, maybe even what pole you're you going to

1201
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: use for that matter. Can you explain to me why

1202
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: it's so important for a pole volt or to be

1203
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: able to consult her coach during the competition.

1204
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. I think it's like any sport, right,

1205
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, from that competition was so long. We were

1206
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: out there for three and a half hours from the

1207
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: start of the competition to the end of it. And

1208
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: just like an AFL match or just like most other sports,

1209
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: you get a halftime break and you speak to your

1210
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: coach and there's a very similar right, So you do

1211
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: a jum and I have some inkling about what happened,

1212
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: what do I need to do, and you just go back,

1213
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: you watch the footage, you chat, you can see the

1214
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: footage they show you last your jump h Yeah. Yeah,

1215
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: that was having an iPad and you watch it and

1216
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: you talk about it, and that's I guess the way

1217
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 2: you need a coach.

1218
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: But for example, say look the wind has changed direction

1219
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: is window factor?

1220
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge actor. Really yeah.

1221
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they might say, look the window's changed, it's

1222
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: coming in from the southwest now before it was an

1223
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: autherly or whatever. You need to change your approach. So

1224
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: that's a consultation you pretty much like as you say,

1225
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: like it playing footage. Yeah, they send messages down through

1226
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: the runners from the standard wherever the footay coaches are

1227
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: and they have halftime. Is just say, because your event

1228
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: doesn't end in ten seconds. Your event goes over a

1229
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: three hour period. Just a lot of standing around, a lot.

1230
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: Of waiting, a lot of standing around. You know, if

1231
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: something like the wind changes or you know, something happens.

1232
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: You know, I have a pretty good idea of what

1233
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: I need to do and how I'm going to fix that,

1234
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: but it's just nice to have someone else there to

1235
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: balance that off with.

1236
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: Confirmation.

1237
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about this, because.

1238
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean, my gut feeling just apart from having to

1239
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: be confident that you have control over every part of

1240
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: your approach and the jump itself. It seems to me

1241
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: confidence like positivity is probably a key for someone like

1242
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: you and your sport. It's not like you can just say,

1243
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: there goes, I'm offen running on to run one hundred

1244
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: meters and I'm going to run as fast as I

1245
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: fucking can now Here, You've got a lot of other

1246
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: shit that happens you've got no control over sort of

1247
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know win factors, whatever, it

1248
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: could be a particularly hot day or something like that.

1249
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 1: How do you maintain your confidence during that whole period?

1250
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: Because like, if you miss the in your case, you

1251
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: didn't miss the first your first jump in your final jump,

1252
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: but if you miss the first two or do you

1253
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: have you trust you yet? Three? Two three three? So

1254
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: you missed the first two, so what do you how

1255
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: do you get your head around that? Like?

1256
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So going back to this word confidence, my sports

1257
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: like and I have done so much work on this, right,

1258
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: So he likes to break it down confidence verse competence,

1259
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: And you know, you can't control how confident you're going

1260
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: to feel on the day, but what you can control

1261
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: is how competent you are going to execute your skills, right,

1262
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 2: so it's like run tall, run sixteen steps, jump and

1263
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 2: get flung into the air and do that thing you've

1264
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: done a thousand times as best you can. And that

1265
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: is competence.

1266
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: So like chunking it out into parts.

1267
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, so just go, oh.

1268
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: Fuck, I'm just got to run down, put the thing

1269
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: and try and jump over that. Just break it down.

1270
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: Do you construct this sort of thing?

1271
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are competent at what you do. You you're

1272
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 2: an elite athlete for a reason. And you know, confidence

1273
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: is this fleeting thing which comes and goes and you

1274
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: get negative thoughts, but then you get positive thoughts and

1275
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: you're trying to fight it and it's just not very stable.

1276
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: But executing what I can do and having competence and

1277
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,479
Speaker 2: what I do is very controllable. Right, And once you've

1278
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: done that one hundred times whole season, two whole season,

1279
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 2: three whole seasons, that's when a little bit of confidence,

1280
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: and what I like to say to my sports like

1281
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 2: is a little bit of magic comes into it, right,

1282
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: And you know, that's where you really can believe that

1283
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: you're going to win that gold medal. You don't need it,

1284
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: but it's helpful.

1285
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: Do you have these little superstitions, you know, I get

1286
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: to tie your lace up a certain way, or not

1287
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: putting your spice on till the last second, or you know,

1288
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: have a little good luck rabbit or something. I mean,

1289
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: do you do you have a little lum or is

1290
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: it more a procedure you get up on the day,

1291
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: when you get up at a certain time, eat this

1292
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: type of food.

1293
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: No superstitions, no superstitions. And you know that's again something

1294
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 2: my sports, because like, dude, if you're relying on superstitions

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Speaker 2: to win a gold medal, good luck to you kind

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Speaker 2: of thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: Because I see some of the runners they bless themselves

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01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, like which I find is sort

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Speaker 1: of interesting, like because I often wonder whether I've been

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01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: involve in sports definitely not your level, but where I

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01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: used to dream, for example, or not before I forgot

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01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: my mouthguard, turning up to the game or turning up

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01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: to to the event. Do you actually get those sorts

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01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: of things happening to you? You think I've left, I've

1305
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: only got one shoe with me. Does your brain mind

1306
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: pay play games with you?

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Speaker 2: Of course it does. And you know I missed one

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01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: of my attempts in the Olympic final at four seventy

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01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: and lots of people ask me about it, and you know,

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01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: it was a good miss and I knew what I

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: had to do with my second attempt, and you go

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Speaker 2: back and you do it. But those thoughts come into

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01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: your mind, right, and it's like, oh, what if I

1314
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: miss my second attempt and what if I freak out?

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01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: And then I'm on my third attempt and then I've

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01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: haven't won gold at the Olympics. So it's literally just

1317
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 2: about noticing those negative thoughts, seeing them for what they are.

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01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: Your brain is, you know, programmed to find fear, notice it,

1319
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: put it away, and you get.

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Speaker 1: On with the job, right, So what happens from here?

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: So what's your next And obviously you got your events

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01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: that you have to attend, but that's sort of like

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01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: for me, business as usual. For you, what's your next

1324
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: big thing? I want to achieve?

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Speaker 2: I would love to break the world record.

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Speaker 1: What is the world record now?

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Speaker 2: The world record is five oh six five or six

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01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: by Russian back in the two thousands. I can't name

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Speaker 2: the exact year, but the five meter club in pole

1330
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: vault is a very elite thing. Only four women have

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01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: ever jump five meters. So if you're one of those women, you're.

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Speaker 1: A goat of the sport.

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Speaker 2: So I'd love to enter that. And then, yeah, I

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01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,479
Speaker 2: feel like I haven't mastered my sport yet. I still

1335
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 2: feel like I'm quite young, and I feel like I

1336
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: have so much more to learn, right, So you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe the world record is on the cards, but I

1338
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: want to enjoy my sport. I want to go to

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Speaker 2: the LA Olympics and.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, that's of course. Yeah, so you're going to

1341
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Speaker 1: stick with us.

1342
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to stick with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm really well, I think everyone's glad about that. So

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Speaker 1: does that mean then for the next four years do

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01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: you basically are you going to start now that is

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Speaker 1: four year for LA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, you know, I'll get back from my competitions.

1348
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: I'll have a two to three month break. I need

1349
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 2: to rest, and then you know, the four year cycle

1350
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: kind of starts all over again, right.

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Speaker 1: So you because you know, i'd imagine your sporting particular,

1352
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: there's a great deal of stress on your nervous system

1353
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: because your brain's got to tell your nervous system to

1354
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: make all your muscles do a whole lot of things

1355
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: sort of nearly all at once. And they're all sort

1356
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: of full on, like you've got to do it quickly, immediately,

1357
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: with a massive amount of force. Just one movement up

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01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: there like that that must drain you mentally, like you

1359
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: need to recharge your whole nervous system.

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Speaker 2: Just give a rest, I do. Recovery is actually like

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Speaker 2: a huge part of our training, you know, like you

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Speaker 2: just said, it's so much impact on the body, and

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Speaker 2: the neurosystem is so drained, and it asks so much

1364
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Speaker 2: of us to jump so a lot of it. It's

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Speaker 2: like I'm going to have the weekend off, coaches, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I like to also think of the Olympics

1367
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Speaker 2: and World Charms and comm Games and Diamond leagues as

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01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 2: like seasons, And you know, in a month time, I'll

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01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: be finished my season, and then I'll go into my

1370
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: rest season and I'll rejuvenate and I'll you know, in

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Speaker 2: a few months time, I'll get back to training and

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Speaker 2: it'll start all over again.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to say you, I mean, from my

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Speaker 1: out point of view, my point of view, from a

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Speaker 1: stray's point of view, it's been it's a great privilege

1376
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Speaker 1: to be able to sit down and talk to you.

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Speaker 1: You're extraordinarily accomplished as a person, not just as an

1378
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: athleteaus as a person. You're really measured in everything you do.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that there are bears. I'm sure you show

1380
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: me your best side. I'm sure there are periods when

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Speaker 1: to go unmeasured.

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Speaker 2: I was on the red eye. This isn't my best side.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're extraordinary, So thanks very much for everything you've

1384
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: done for us and for the sport, and thanks for

1385
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: sharing all those sort of important moments for the uneducated

1386
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 1: people like me who really have no idea how that

1387
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Speaker 1: all works. What you do as a pop older yeah,

1388
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Speaker 1: like is actually quite magnificent.

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Speaker 2: But thanks very much, No, thanks so much for having

1390
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Speaker 2: me make you

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Speaker 1: Welcome them as the