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Speaker 1: Okay, kurb another episode of Backstage post Grand Final. Firstly,

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Speaker 1: hell of a season. Great another great season well under

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Speaker 1: the players, the clubs and the NRL London.

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Speaker 2: It was that anentertaining it some of the some of

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Speaker 2: the games we saw this year. The quality of rugby league.

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Speaker 2: It just keeps getting better and better every year, it

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Speaker 2: really does. Ever since, ever since the Landy's has taken over,

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Speaker 2: he's got a great knack for understanding what the what

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Speaker 2: the game needs, doesn't He like six again rule came

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Speaker 2: in and that really changed the game. It made it faster.

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Speaker 2: He just keeps innovating the game and making it that's

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Speaker 2: good spectacle.

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Speaker 1: And people on the Independent Commission too, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people like Wayne Pierce to come up with the

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Speaker 1: bell sound for the six again. Although see when I

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Speaker 1: first heard the six again and how it was going

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Speaker 1: to operate with the bell sound, I thought, oh god,

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Speaker 1: this could this could be a disaster, and it could

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Speaker 1: have been. But it's just what trut sped up. The

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Speaker 1: Rucks made the game fantastic and the game, you know,

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Speaker 1: it continues to rather really important I think for the

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Speaker 1: important thing for the Independent Commission and is they just

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Speaker 1: they just have to be careful of how much information

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Speaker 1: they take off, the coaches and the clubs. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: seen the game flying before, remember two thousand and five

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Speaker 1: and two thousand and five is an incredible year, the

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Speaker 1: one that the Tigers won. Yeah, it was a real

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Speaker 1: bias on attack football hands Why it was the North

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Speaker 1: Queensland Cowboys West Tiger's Grand Final. In the off season,

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Speaker 1: the coaches went in and asked for more rights for

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Speaker 1: the defensive side and sure enough the game slowed down

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Speaker 1: a little bit. It's got to keep the course. The

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Speaker 1: players are getting fitter, they can handle the speed of

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Speaker 1: the stud of the speed of the play. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: I've just climbed out from under a rock after ground final,

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Speaker 1: but as a view like I've crawled out of a

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Speaker 1: of a brewery truck. But yeah, they've just got to

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Speaker 1: stay the course. The lead up to the game, just

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Speaker 1: talk the Grand final coop and all the things have

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Speaker 1: come out of it. The lead up to the game.

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Speaker 1: Did you spend much time with the Melbourne boys? Did

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Speaker 1: you go into camp and see how they're traveling.

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Speaker 2: Spread of that magic dust?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I did, I did. I caught up. I think on

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Speaker 2: the two days before the game. The Storm boys always

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Speaker 2: had a day off, so I went over and caught up,

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Speaker 2: played some cards with a few of the boys. They

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Speaker 2: were good. They were really relaxed. They were really relaxed.

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Speaker 2: I must say actually this year in general, that Storm squad.

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Speaker 2: Years gone past, they've probably been a little bit tense

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Speaker 2: and a bit serious, like not not serious, it's always

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Speaker 2: good to take you football very serious. But they've this

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Speaker 2: year like it's I think it's probably coincided with a

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Speaker 2: little bit less pressure. They've been flying. Harry as a captain,

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Speaker 2: he's very he likes to keep them morale really high.

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Speaker 2: So we're like, you know, always sending funny videos into

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Speaker 2: the WhatsApp group like they're a very connected group. I

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Speaker 2: sent a text to Frank Ponisi after the pre limb

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Speaker 2: last last week and I just said, Doc, like, congratulations

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Speaker 2: on how good the groups go on this I've never

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Speaker 2: seen like it hasn't been this type that squad in

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Speaker 2: a long time, probably since twenty twenty when they won

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Speaker 2: the comp last time. And he said, mate, I appreciate

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Speaker 2: the text, Like we've noticed it too. We've let let

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Speaker 2: sort of the playing group take a bit more ownership

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Speaker 2: of how they want to prepare and sort of how

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Speaker 2: they want to be as a group, and they've Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's they've handed outstanding year. They were very relaxed, but

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Speaker 2: obviously didn't take the chocolates on Sunday up against a

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Speaker 2: pretty good team mate. They're unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Just dis quickly on you said about Harry, You said

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Speaker 1: about being relaxed, and you face timed him and I

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Speaker 1: just jumped on quickly to say gooday. He was actually

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Speaker 1: sitting on the toilet when you were facetiming.

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Speaker 2: On game day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was a text aff the game and

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Speaker 1: I said, Harry, congratulations on your season. Could congratulations personally

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Speaker 1: on your game? Sometimes when you don't win, you actually

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Speaker 1: still win by the manner in which you held yourself

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Speaker 1: thanks very much. He said, we've got a really special

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Speaker 1: group here, a really tight bunch of blokes. We're going

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's that's what I mean. You forget because

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Speaker 2: they have so many big game players like Harry Munster Usy.

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Speaker 2: There's months to Hughsy. I believe it's months to Hughsy.

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Speaker 2: Paps and Welche may have been the only ones who

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Speaker 2: were in that Grand Final in twenty twenty. The other

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Speaker 2: others had no final like, no grand final experience. So

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Speaker 2: even Harry, Harry has done so much, one hundred games,

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Speaker 2: you think it's it's it's amazing to think he hasn't

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Speaker 2: actually been in a ground. I couldn't believe.

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Speaker 1: But someone said he hadn't played the Grand Final. I

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Speaker 1: was like, come on, he's played, He's.

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Speaker 2: Played everything else. But I thought he was unbele He's

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Speaker 2: built for you can someone like Harry was built for

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Speaker 2: the big stage. He played outstanding and he got a

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Speaker 2: couple of young blokes or a few young blokes are

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Speaker 2: about to move into their peak years.

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Speaker 1: Trentlely Era had a really good season. And Jack Howarth, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the egg hatched, he looked, he looked at it. He

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Speaker 1: had a terrific final series, looked great at the back

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Speaker 1: end of the season. Cooper is he a back row

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Speaker 2: I think eventually he'll be a back rower because he's

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Speaker 2: so big, like he will. As you get old, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like your metabolism slows down. It's harder to stay

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Speaker 2: kind of lean.

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Speaker 1: I don't worry.

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Speaker 2: I know it, you know, And I'm starting to fear

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Speaker 2: that out too, but I think right for the first

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Speaker 2: at least, I reckon he'll be like Sonny Bill Williams.

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Speaker 2: That's part of the trajectory I see him on in

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Speaker 2: terms of Sunny Bill started in the centers and then

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Speaker 2: after a few years he moved as he got you know,

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Speaker 2: knew the game better and stuff, more experienced, got a

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Speaker 2: bit better football like you moved into the back row.

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Speaker 2: I see that same sort of thing with Jack Howarth also, mate,

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Speaker 2: he's on a similar to Sonny Bill. I could definitely

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Speaker 2: see in three or four years time rugby union sniffing

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Speaker 2: around him, trying to steal him as well he does.

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Speaker 2: He did play at a big union school up in

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Speaker 2: Brisbane BBC Brisbane Boys College, the big union seil out there,

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Speaker 2: so that a world to pinch him.

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Speaker 1: Oh mate, Melbourne Storm. I mean they got him out

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Speaker 1: of New Zealand up Melbourne Stork got Nelson out of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you'd be silly sometimes to leave that

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Speaker 1: kidler Roy. I thought it was outstanding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked it too. I was at the game.

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Speaker 2: the game, in terms of it was very loud, people

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Speaker 2: were there's a lot of cheering, there's a lot of fireworks,

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Speaker 2: so in terms of how it sounded, you you couldn't

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Speaker 2: of his songs anyway, because I've seen him live before,

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Speaker 2: so I enjoyed it. I couldn't believe that a lot

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Speaker 2: of people were calling it NRL's meat loaf.

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Speaker 1: It was more to do with the smoke, but still

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Speaker 1: I imagine might have been the smoke might have made

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Speaker 1: But I thought he was fantastic. I was watching gu mate,

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Speaker 1: this looks I thought, just the lights and everything around it.

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Speaker 1: I thought the stage, I thought it was really really good.

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Speaker 1: I thought, all in all, I thought it was Look,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was better than Katy Perry. I listened

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a nice touch, and it's something that

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Speaker 2: it's the Aussie rock thing has been done so many times.

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Speaker 2: I love Ozzie Rock and I'm a big asy rock fan.

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Speaker 2: Aussie rock is synonymous in rugby league. But I think

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Speaker 2: it was a nice touch to go something different this

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Speaker 2: year and go to the Kid Laurie because typically that

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Speaker 2: kind of the old Ossie Rock for our rugby league audience.

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Speaker 2: But I like, you know, a hit. Getting someone like

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Speaker 2: the Kid Lauri is just it's a huge game, bringing in.

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Speaker 1: That next generation, bringing in that next sort of left

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Speaker 1: of center audience. People would have got there. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: fringe watcher of the game, some people not even into

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Speaker 1: the game. But he kid Lerroy is gonna be playing.

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Speaker 1: I'll have a look and who knows, and one hang

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Speaker 1: around watch some of the game. It's a good way

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Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome. I think it was. We

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Speaker 2: spoke about it first our first finals preview. We said,

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Speaker 2: actually quite boring in a sense where they're not doing

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Speaker 2: If you really look at that game like it was

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Speaker 2: very just simple, four hit ups, kick and it was

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Speaker 2: the ball in playtime that first half an hour, there

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Speaker 2: was so much fatigua out there because there was no stoppages.

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Speaker 2: They weren't kicking it out. There wasn't a lot of errors,

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Speaker 2: that you could just tell there was so much fatiga

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Speaker 1: Two very disciplined sides. I loved it. Two very very

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Speaker 1: disciplined sides, two very good defensive outfits. It was just

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Speaker 1: going to be a matter of who blink first. It

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Speaker 1: was interesting. Let's talk about that style of football. If

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Speaker 1: just one second coup. You just parked a memory in me.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what year was that. It was

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Speaker 1: not six or nine and eighty seven. I remember me

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Speaker 1: and a kid watching the game. There's a game Kenry

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Speaker 1: Bulldogs up against Cronulla Sharks, right and then when I

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Speaker 1: went to the Newcastle Knights when we're young players, they

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Speaker 1: showed us that game. They said this is how you

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Speaker 1: dismantle an opposition. And the game was a real arm

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Speaker 1: wrestle right backwards and forwards. The Bulldogs kicked long and

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Speaker 1: Crnula were really holding their own. They had a very

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Speaker 1: good side around that eight team. They're holding their own,

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Speaker 1: they're kicking along the oldside their own. They kicked long

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Speaker 1: and it just goes backwards and forward, and it was

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Speaker 1: literally Cooper who blinks first, and suddenly we're twenty minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: One of the Sharks players tried a little chip over

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Speaker 1: just going backwards and forwards, and it just took little

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Speaker 1: Well, Cooper just shows you how good Penrith are the

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Speaker 1: Grand stam finish day A night Grand final, Coop, You've

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Speaker 1: only ever seen night grand finals? Having it? I saw?

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Speaker 2: it that late. I think it's I think that afternoon's

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Speaker 2: But I just think people like an early start, early finish.

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Speaker 1: night might be more ratings, but I'm telling you now,

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Speaker 1: watching at the part of barbecues and pubs and things

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Speaker 1: what it was. It was a real Grand Final. Day

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Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. I suppose more people are at

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Speaker 1: Now people will count of me and they'll say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but a day Grand Final. Let's go to nine and

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Speaker 1: eighty six paramounta one four to two, but five meter

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Speaker 2: Coup.

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Speaker 2: Probably the first thing that comes to mind, which is

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Speaker 2: oh and Graham and Isley the Boss shows showed him

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Speaker 2: the angle and they said, okay, that's fine. The big

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Speaker 1: We're sitting there with the skulls our neighbors, We're watching

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Speaker 1: the game, and we all went, oh my god, to

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Speaker 2: Penrith just quietly though to be able to stop that

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Speaker 1: And gloats in the tackle. That's a Grand Final was

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Speaker 1: about desperation. The other one was Illiam Martin tri Coub.

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Speaker 1: it when Jerome Jerome switched her back to Nathan Maathan

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Speaker 1: he knew Blaw didn't have him completely covered. Do you

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Speaker 2: For blow initially? I did? Initially watching it live, I did,

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Speaker 2: He wants the footy. He was on the advantage. I

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Speaker 2: to know Nathan wants this, he sees something, catch it

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Speaker 1: That just made me think that when when you said

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Speaker 1: a lot of the calls, like Manly they had Freshy

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Speaker 1: I can't quick them up. He said, well, fucking go

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Speaker 2: That's the thing, right, like every team has that they're

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Speaker 2: hot call. Every team. A lot of teams actually use

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Speaker 2: you think they would. Hot's a very old school one

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Speaker 2: like that's been around for ages hot. A lot of

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Speaker 1: Just about every rugby league side from you know, from

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Speaker 2: a lot to say about that doubles play and Nathan

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00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 2: sequence where in the prelim he put Paul Alamoli over

434
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 2: and then you spoke about Ivan wanting to attack that

435
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: side That's why he was quite vocal about the obstruction

436
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: in the pre limb.

437
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 1: That was a little block formation they used, and Tellachai

438
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: committed to the straight runner, which was and they got

439
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 1: it wrong, and they admitted after the game they got

440
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 1: it wrong. And yeah, after the game, Ivan was very

441
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: very animated quite having any anxiety about that was that

442
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 1: was a complete giveaway that they were going to attack

443
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: that side with Nick and will Ward war Brick with

444
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 1: a little attack sequence.

445
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 2: They had that beautiful play for Taruve to score, a

446
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 2: play that they'd been doing quite a bit. They put

447
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 2: a lovely variation which they haven't done at all this

448
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 2: final series. They've had it obviously in the kit bag

449
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: ready to use, and they decided to bring it out

450
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: on the bigger stage for Taruva to score on the

451
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: weekend where they hit Ala Modi. Meni comes in thinking

452
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 2: it's the play they've been running all final series and

453
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 2: he does a beautiful little around play hits Edwards, who

454
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 2: finds to RuvA that was special like that was those

455
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 2: kind of big nice variation, well run players.

456
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: They win big game ball to Alamtty that gives him

457
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 1: enough time Jerome and Nathan what appears really simple, isn't.

458
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: It's giving Ala Motty the ball at the exact right time.

459
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: I called it the Goldilocks effect. Not too early, not

460
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: too late, just right. So they go one step commit

461
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: and just give Alamody just yeah, a quarter of a

462
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: second extra time to catch and pass out the back.

463
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: That's another underestimated thing to you who talking to Joey

464
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: he had he under Bradman best once and he said

465
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: to Bradman, do you bump a gag guy much, Dane,

466
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: because you've been around a lot And he said, oh, yeah, occasionally, Dane.

467
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: He said, go and have a go and have a

468
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: talk to him how he likes the ball off his playmakers.

469
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: You learn a lot, gag guy. When he returned to

470
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: the Knights after it was at the Knights went sous

471
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: in return, he grabbed the he grabbed the playmakers and

472
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: he said, right, he said, I want to I want

473
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 1: to tell you how I like the ball a little bit.

474
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: When it's three on three up a short side. I

475
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 1: want you to take one and a half steps and

476
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: then feed it to me quick. And they're like right,

477
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: and he said, because what will happen is my center

478
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: and possibly even their winger, their winger will come outside in.

479
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: If you give it to me late, too late, he's

480
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: going to bang me outside in, going to clean me up.

481
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: If you get give it to me too early, he's

482
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: going to hang back and hold his winger. It's just

483
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: going to push it out of the sideline, he said,

484
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 1: one and a half steps, feed me and we'll catch

485
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: them in no man's land. Just tiny little subtlety, Scoop.

486
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: It ain't the bricks, it's the mortar.

487
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: Nah.

488
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

489
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: But like senners and wingers do so many reps of training,

490
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: they know the exact time. They know exactly when a

491
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 2: half takes it a step too far, and they'll go

492
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: and jam and land on him and put him under

493
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: pressure kind of force an error. And they know when

494
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: they pass a little bit too early, and then they'll

495
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: give time for their center. Say there is that. There

496
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 2: is that beautiful subtlety which Penrith do so well. They

497
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 2: just managed to always nail exactly the timing of their passes, Matthew.

498
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: The neighbors are amazed. Actually at the moment, apparently our

499
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: little lawn out the back there is.

500
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: The talk of the street. Cooper. I am not surprised.

501
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 2: It's given. You're not The best thing about it is too,

502
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: It's given me so much more time, like free time,

503
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: like I just go to the gym and stuff.

504
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: Did you go up to the gym? What do you

505
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Seriously?

506
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: Like that little pot belly.

507
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: It's like it's like you've got a money belt under there.

508
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: I mean, really, Jim, When I say gym, I more

509
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: mean like I go running, like I've been running along

510
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 2: the beach and stuff like that.

511
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: You getly it's like your Rudney dage of field. Come on.

512
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 2: No, Okay, When I say running, I mean like clubbing,

513
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: like nightclubbing. Mate. But that's what happens when you got

514
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: the automoile robotic lawn mower at the back. It's got

515
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: on schedule. It cuts it all on time for me.

516
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: It allows me to just get a heap of free

517
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: time and all I got to do is on the connect.

518
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: It just does I said everything, and it just does

519
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: it all for me. So that's perfect. And then I

520
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: can actually go if I wanted to do, Jim running

521
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: all night clubbing.

522
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: Have you all? Three? Yeah?

523
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: No more sweating with an old push more in the heat,

524
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: job done, okay?

525
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: Three?

526
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: Two one for the game. Yeah, I mean I found

527
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: it really hard to split my three and two. I

528
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: had Leah Martin and Isaiah Yoh. Leah Martin just edged

529
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: him out. I think just some of his efforts on

530
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: Kickchase jeezus, like he just charges through, leaves the rest

531
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: of him and make sure he always lands on him.

532
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: And he was really aggressive all night on Munster. Isaiah

533
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 2: Oh I thought was unbelievable. I thought he was the

534
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: difference in the middle to get to give them a

535
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: huge edge because Storm did an excellent job on their backfire,

536
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: particularly Toto.

537
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: They did a really good job hitting him low a lot.

538
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: Harry was coming out of marker and getting into his legs,

539
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: taking his leg drive and.

540
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: Stuff out of it.

541
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: Rule they just did defend him the same way, Yeah,

542
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: just gett into his legs, even if it's on first contact.

543
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: But isaiaho through the middle house smarty was. I thought

544
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: he was unbelievable. I thought either of them could have

545
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: won Clive Churchill. My one was Harry Grant. I thought

546
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: is in a losing side. I nearly thought he's a

547
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: chance at Clive Churchill in a losing side. I thought

548
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: his effort, he had something like sixty tackles sixty nine tackles.

549
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: He scored one, nearly scored another one. He was on five.

550
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: He just was in everything, and with a bad calf too,

551
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: which he'd hurt the week before he ended up. I

552
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: think he ran the third most k's in the game

553
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: as well, which is unbelievable for a hooker. It's usually

554
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: always halfbacks and fullbacks who clock up the most. Case

555
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: Nathan had number one. I think Dylan Edwards was number two,

556
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: and Harry Grant ran about nine point three k's.

557
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: We've got the same combination. I've gone Isaiao three Isaiah.

558
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm the same split decision between he and Lamb. I'm

559
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: going to go for Isaiah. Yeah, because I actually thought

560
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: he was the player of the final series. I thought

561
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: he got the mix of his game just perfect. Times

562
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: through the year we've got a little bit pass happy

563
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: and pushed their tackle little sideways. The final series and

564
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: leading into the finals, he just got it perfect. He

565
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: was essentially he was run first and past second Lea Martin.

566
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: Of course, for two points one point it could have picked,

567
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: it could beat Nathan. There was a mile a place

568
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: from one point. I've done you. I've gone Harry. Given

569
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, you told me a little

570
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: bit on the side going in that there was some

571
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: concerns about his carf and I thought, Okay, he's going

572
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: to hold back a little bit here, but made I've

573
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: got fifty odd tackles.

574
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: Fifty nine or something like that. Yeah, unbelievable, Like he's

575
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: so fit, he's unbelievably fit.

576
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Before we talk, we're going to go on and talk

577
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: about something really crucial. I want to talk about is

578
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: Jerome Lewy to the Tigers impact he'll have, and also

579
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: James Fisher Harris to the Warriors. We'll get to that.

580
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: How were the Melbourne storm Boys after the game of

581
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: back at the hotel?

582
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: Obviously shattered, obviously shouted like that had such a great

583
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,239
Speaker 2: year year. You know, they've been getting wraps all year.

584
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: They were really hungry to win this game too. You know.

585
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: The particularly that first hour when you're in the sheds

586
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: after the game was very melancholy in there. No music

587
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: was being played. They were all in there just sort

588
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: of recapping the game a little bit.

589
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Who's the one that's sort of who's the bloke who

590
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: was the most Imagine a lot of the young Blakes

591
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: would have been devastated. Who's the one who were the

592
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: main players to go around and get them up and

593
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: get them Goingmnster was Monster was probably a little bit

594
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: like that.

595
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: He was kind of he took it very hard. He's

596
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: played a lot of big games, won some big games,

597
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: lost some big games. But he he probably understands, you know,

598
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: that they're going to be better off for it in

599
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: the long term, so he could kind of bounce back

600
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: a little bit from it, tried to, you know, get

601
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: the morale up a little bit. Harry took it pretty

602
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: Harry was taking it pretty hard. Jerome Hughes, he sort

603
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: of he didn't come out. He was in his locker

604
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: for a little bit. He was just sort of taken

605
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: it all in. I mean, it's what a big week

606
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: for Jerome, huge, huge for him.

607
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: That's it. That was a huge test for him. Coop

608
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: winning the dlai M medal given the nature of the

609
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: DALLI his first delim Everyone's saying going in, he's gonna

610
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: win it. Pressure there, But how close it was at

611
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: the end between he and Teddy, how emotional it was

612
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: like when the people are up there on stage and

613
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Belliac was really was wrapping him. I remember he was

614
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: sitting there and I thought, man, this is it can

615
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: be hard to come down from and then you get

616
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: up first thing in the morning, you've got radio television

617
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: interviews at first thing. So yeah, and he was strong.

618
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: He was strong. So but it was a big week

619
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: that was that was a real challenge for Jerome.

620
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd imagine, and he's someone dad who just does

621
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: not like the attention on him as well, Like he's

622
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: quite a in that group. It's quite a big character

623
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, a lot of chirping, a

624
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of the funny stuff comes from

625
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: Jerome's very very funny bloke, but he doesn't show him

626
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: that side of himself outside that group, so he does

627
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: like to keep himself quite sheltered. So I imagine that

628
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: would have been quite challenging from quite an emotional week

629
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: winning that, winning the RPA Champion Players Player as well,

630
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: which is it's just a huge award too because that's

631
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: obviously all players voted, like that's all the boys who

632
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: vote who's been the best player all year. So yeah,

633
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 2: it was a it was a big challenge for him,

634
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: and I thought he I thought he played well on

635
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: the weekend. I think a performance come under a little

636
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: bit of criticism from players, just probably because you just

637
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: won the Dally M and people were expecting him to

638
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 2: go out there and score three tries like it has

639
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: been all year.

640
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: But it was no game.

641
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: It was not that type of game.

642
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't what about Penrith, right, Coop four in a row?

643
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: But there's four. There's nine players in that team who

644
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: have gone for in a row. So it's Fisher, Harris, yep,

645
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: Moses Louder, Nathan Cleary, Jerome Leu, Eye, Dillan Edwards, Isaiah

646
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: Liam Martin, Brian Tutt. Yeah, some one?

647
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: So one more in that one? Is there one more

648
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: one to It's not Mitch Kenny.

649
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: It'll come to us people who don't like to be disrespectful.

650
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: We miss We're missing some one in there somewhere, that's right. Yeah,

651
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: don't let us know. You have a little have a

652
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: little look through.

653
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: Scotty Sorrens.

654
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: Scotty Syrens, that's right, got back from a hamstring injury.

655
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: Yes, Scotty, Sorry, I had Luke Garner any time, Triscore

656
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: thinking that he was going to start, and then Scotty

657
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: Sorenson went out there, you son of a bit, Scott

658
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: good looking man. That, Yeah, huge, and it's phenomenal. The

659
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: thing it's it's funny when we spoke earlier in the

660
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: year whenever, when we spoke to Nathan or them losing

661
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: Critter this year, we went, how good he wasn't against

662
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: the Broncos last year. He's such an it's going to

663
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: be such a big loss. We're expecting the Penrith Panthers

664
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: to slide. How I'm phenomenal they are after losing such

665
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: a big name like that. Even you look at who

666
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: they losing this year, Leui Fisher, Harris Taruva. You go,

667
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: after what they proved the last four years, how many

668
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: people have left, how many people have come and gone.

669
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: Lindsay Smith emerging, Yeah, Lindsay.

670
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: Smith emerging, even Matt Eisen, who's somebody, Who's somebody who

671
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: probably ten years ago. You look at players like Chase

672
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Blair and people who used to go to the Melbourne

673
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Storm who are on the outer at other clubs, and

674
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: they go there, they win premierships and people go, how

675
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: good are that? Like Ballyate's ability to turn these players,

676
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, on the fringe players into phenomenal superstars, Like

677
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: you say the same thing about Ivan Now if you're

678
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: a young kid, you want to go to either Penrith

679
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: or Storm if you want to turn yourself into or

680
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: you're somebody who's on the edge of you know, you've

681
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: moved around a lot of clubs. I want to turn

682
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: into the best Donner Rold player I can. Those are

683
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: the two clubs now like Penrith has turned into one

684
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: of those.

685
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: Clubs without a doubt, without a doubt, I mean Cooper.

686
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons those top clubs give roles

687
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: to players, right when you talk to players who you've

688
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: been into different clubs and sort of struggle, been journeymen

689
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: and then God or Melbourne Storm one of those top clubs,

690
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: what they tell to you when they go there is

691
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: that when they walk in, the coach, like Craig Bellamy

692
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: says to them, I don't need you to do A.

693
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't need you to be B. I don't need

694
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: you to do and I don't want you to be c.

695
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: This is your job. That's what you do, and you

696
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: make your tackles on top of that, and you're going

697
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: to stay and straight away a coach, a player goes

698
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: well great at lesser clubs. They feel like they've got

699
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: to do more and they step out of their lane.

700
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: Like when you get to play with the Nathan Cleary,

701
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: you've got a role, that's what you go to do

702
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: your role. And secondly, you want to please him. You

703
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: want to feel accepted, and that's why you elevate your game.

704
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: That's why those top clubs they keep finding people and

705
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: they keep performing even though they might perform at other clubs.

706
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: That's yeah, like you just said, sorry, when Nathan's aura,

707
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: you can tell there's two or three players where if

708
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: they keep those you keep you know, you keep you

709
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: I would say Yo Edwards and Nathan three players whose

710
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: aura is so big right now. If you're a young player,

711
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: if you can keep those three there for the next

712
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: five years, it doesn't matter who kind of comes and

713
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: goes within that Within that squad, they're all going to

714
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: lift and elevate to the standard of how Pandrith played

715
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: like they could. If they keep those three fit, healthy

716
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: and inform, they could go on to win an another

717
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: four comps. It's scary to say.

718
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Nathan's about he Nathan's just moving into his peak years.

719
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: Brandon got touch with a little bit with injuries. It

720
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: applies to every player, but you know, and I'm reading

721
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: at the moment, A lot of people started the comparison,

722
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: how would this side go against the great Bronco sides?

723
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: How would this side and the biggest comparison with the

724
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: fellow Western Western Sydney side, the great paramounta side of

725
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: eighty eighty one eighty two sorry eighty one, sorry eighty one,

726
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: eighty two, eighty three? God, how am I going with

727
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: my math? But and my memory. I'm not even going

728
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: to get involved with it because I don't think it's

729
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: fair on any of those players. They are all great side.

730
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: It's going to tell you what you know. In my

731
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: time in rugby league, Coop, I wasn't around to see

732
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: the Great and George sides, of course, but of all

733
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: the sides I've seen these blokes at the very least

734
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: the equal. They are a phenomenal team with some phenomenal players.

735
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: I just tip my hat the way they form combination

736
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: and Coop, you know the other thing about it, how

737
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: tight they are you talk about connection where after the game,

738
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, Dylan boys are wearing the summer and traditional

739
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: garb or not exactly sure what it's called, but the

740
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: fact they're all wearing it in respect for their players.

741
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: It's it's just tremendous. It is cool.

742
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: It's I remember I believe it was young Tony mcpaya

743
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: actually at the Melbourne Storm who's played for Samoa. He wants,

744
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: he wants. When he's talked about connection, he said, you know,

745
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: and Peneth the exact same in this sense. He said,

746
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: what I love about this club is if it's important

747
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: to one of us, it's important to all of us.

748
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

749
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: And Penrith are the exact same in that sense where

750
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: it's like, if you know, if something's important to one

751
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: of their players, everyone just buys in and they just

752
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: get on board with it. I said, you know, they

753
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 2: do a lot of themes as well. Have you seen

754
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: Penrith last year. I think they did top Gun. They

755
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: all got different call signs and they drew motivation from

756
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: that to kind of come up with their identity for

757
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: the final series this year. They did it on the

758
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: multi culture. They did it with Fish leaving. Yeah, Manna,

759
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: which is like a word for courage, like they say,

760
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of manner and it's more.

761
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: You know, this team and these individuals, they're more than footballers,

762
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: they're more than football side Coup. The way they have

763
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: changed areas, particularly Mount drew It but in that western

764
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: suburbs is just credit to all of those blokes they tread.

765
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: They transcend football. That's the greatest thing you can do

766
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: with this sport. Cooper, right, The big challenge now Jerome

767
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: leue to the Tigers. Critter did it the year before

768
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: Stephen Crichton left to go to the Bulldogs. He has

769
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: been phenomenal at the Bulldogs. He has exceeded expectations. He's

770
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: elevated that side. Jerome, what do you think. I've got

771
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: no doubt he'll I think you'll elevate them. I haven't

772
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: got a doubt. It's just a matter of.

773
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: How much I think he's They're definitely going to improve

774
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: with him to ruvera there without obviously they those players

775
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: who have winning culture, theyn't just lose that. But I

776
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: think what what Critter had over him was the Bulldogs.

777
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: What camp Soeraldo has been doing to that Bulldogs club

778
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: for you know, the year that that development year they

779
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: had last year where he's starting to weed out people

780
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: who don't fit in with his system and whatnot. I

781
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: think Tigers just don't have that yet. I think it's

782
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: going to be very hard for Jerome or they're going

783
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: to have to fix a few things if they want

784
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: to be top eight contenders with the squad that they've

785
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: got now. Because the squad on paper, they have the

786
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: ability to make the top eight. Corros Our Luell like

787
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: they have a great side, but this has always been

788
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: the knock on him. From the board and the tope

789
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: down to the plane group. There's not a great deal

790
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: of connection within that club, and there's a lot of

791
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: stuff that goes on behind the seeds, which has a

792
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: lot of an impact to why the club isn't successful.

793
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: But if you look in the history of sport, Cooper

794
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: people say one man doesn't make a team. I agree,

795
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. But one man can elevate

796
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: a team and elevate every person in the team and

797
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: elevate the sum of the parts, bringing things right up

798
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: quiet and as we said before, it's a perfect example.

799
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: Jerome Leui will be unbelievable for Locke Galvin with what

800
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: he'll teach him. He'll teach him the ropes, he'll get

801
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: a lot of know how, he'll fast track lockey as

802
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: a playmaker. I'm excited about that. Corus House just looking

803
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: for a partner in crime. He's just looking for someone

804
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: help himant it'll be a huge relief. He'll bring Buller

805
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: to the four.

806
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: Good player during book, like they've got a great spine now,

807
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: like they've got they do have a spine that can

808
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: take them to the top eight. I see that. But

809
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: that's the only thing, the only knock, Like everyone's been saying,

810
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: there's no doubt they've got the talent. That's quite It's

811
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: just if that if the culture of that club and

812
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: the top office is going to be able to work

813
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: in their favor.

814
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: The film's going to be. It's gonna be. It's gonna

815
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: be a good, big jump. I just gonna be. I'm

816
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: not saying they're going to play finals. I'm not sure

817
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: they're ready for that yet. I can see them. They're

818
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: anywhere between nine to eleven. I think I think they'll

819
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: I think to start with, they'll be. They'll get a

820
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: real lift of having Jerome there. There'll be a feeling

821
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: of optimism. I think they'll get them off to a

822
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: good start. And if they get off to a good

823
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: start and confidence grows, I said last year, when you're

824
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: in a football side and you've had the foot on

825
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: your throat for a fair while. All of a sudden,

826
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: when you start winning games, man, you just don't take

827
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: winning for granted. You just you just love it. I mean,

828
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: we've seen that with the Bulldogs this year, all of

829
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: those blokes, all of a sudden, they're winning and they're winning,

830
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: and they're winning, and they're just buoyed by It's it's

831
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: it's such a great feeling.

832
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: And can I ask you a question before we move,

833
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: just to of away from Penrith Nathan Cleary right now,

834
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: where does he sit in the conversation for the best ever?

835
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: Do you think I put look, the thing they always

836
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: keep saying, he needs to dominate Origin Origin. He hasn't

837
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: been up quite because of injuries and whatnot. He will

838
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: do it.

839
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Oh, you definitely will, Look I put him.

840
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: He's if he isn't already, he's about to win the

841
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: discussion that the very elite sit Joey First, Wally Lewis,

842
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: Cameron Smith. He's about to enter that.

843
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Role because at least twenty six right.

844
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: I should you know what? I think he's ended that role.

845
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: I think he's in me personally. You know, I didn't

846
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: see a heap of Joey play. I know he was

847
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: obviously everyone.

848
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: Alongside a good bloke, but it takes away from Joe. Yeah,

849
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: Robbie Davis said, you know what to do, So people

850
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: say recency bias. I think in rugby Luke it can

851
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: be a little bit the reverse back into the past

852
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: with Rose colored Glass.

853
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of a lot of the

854
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: people who kind of judge who is the best are

855
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: that older grammar, like he was a very much of

856
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: an older demographic in rugby league. Everyone kind of looks

857
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: back on the glory days as well. It was way

858
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: better back then, and they probably prefer they bring Joey

859
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: into it more in the conversation obviously for that reason.

860
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: I see Nathan right now. I think because he's still young,

861
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: probably that works against him as well. People go, I

862
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: make there's still other stuff still going to do this.

863
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that.

864
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: I think if I think if Nathan on paper was

865
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: thirty two right now he's just won his fourth in

866
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: a calm, they're probably saying he's the best ever. I

867
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: see him right now in the top three alongside Andrew Johns,

868
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: Cameron Smith and him. That's where I think he's the

869
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: in my opinion right now.

870
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think what.

871
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: He's done is I think this year elevated him definitely

872
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: a lot, playing busted and then doing what he did

873
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: on Sunday Night. But I in my opinion, I think he's.

874
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: Fisher Harris to the wise. I'm excited by that. He'll

875
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: just give them again. He'll like the Tigers who'll give them.

876
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: You'll give them, give him a lift. The great thing

877
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: they're going to get out of Fisher Harris's leadership. We've

878
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: said all before about Lea Thompson. Lea Thompson was sort

879
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: of not fulfilling his potential. He goes into Maray Camp

880
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: for the Murray All Stars, comes out a completely different

881
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: player after rooming with Fisher Harris. Yeah, he'll elevate that soon.

882
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: I can see. I think the Warriors will return to

883
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: the top eight next Yeah. I'm hard to replace Shawn

884
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: Johnson's that's the only thing. Hard to replace Sean. But

885
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: I think they'll redesign elements of their attack. I can

886
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: see him.

887
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 2: But what I've loved to have seen no Blake Fisher Harris.

888
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: That's a loss as big a loss as Sean.

889
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's they've lost their two probably best players over

890
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: the last couple of years.

891
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: But but what Fish will bring as far as winning,

892
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: he knows what it takes to win comps.

893
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm ten to see who they're going to

894
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: put the seven Yeah, alongside Luke Metcalfe tomorrow.

895
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: I think it'll be tomorrow and Mara Martin. I'm going

896
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: to give you twenty seconds. Twenty seconds. I'm going to

897
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: shock you go top four next year. I think Storm.

898
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: I think Storm definitely, they get they don't lose anyone,

899
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: and they've they're getting stuff five Storm, Penrith, Sharks with

900
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: Fanil Blake going there, and I think.

901
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: The Bulldogs, Okay, we're similar. I've gone Penrith, Storm, Broncos, Wow,

902
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Sharks for Neil Blake going there.

903
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, by the Broncos. Just are you just saying

904
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: the leadership of what Madge is going to bring to

905
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: that sque.

906
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: Of the really Madge, I think you're going to the side.

907
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: They'll get a They'll get a they're going to get

908
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: a massive shake up. They're going to trade harder they've

909
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: ever trained before, in my opinion, So they have any

910
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: recruits and I think they'll bounce back from the disappointment

911
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: of this year new recruits. I don't think they do

912
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: a lot on Renau's shoulders. One of the one of

913
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: the things that's crucial is Reno is able to get

914
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: through probably eighty percent, seventy five eighty percent of this season.

915
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're going to be They're going to

916
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: have to manage him well in terms of if there's

917
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: a game that they don't need him for, I think they.

918
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: But coop their top full side. They're a top four side.

919
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: I can see him fulfilling their potential.

920
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: I think that I think we underestimated just how big

921
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: the losses were of Tom Flagler and Herbie Farnworth. You

922
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: see how what Herby Farns hath brought to that Dolphin

923
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: side this year. Like they missed they missed him out there.

924
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: I think blokes like Ricky will benefit from having magic

925
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: there Cooper. The Australian side has been named a few surprises.

926
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: No DCU, No Teddy. Not a big surprise because I

927
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: thought that Dylan Edwards deserved his spot. If you if

928
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: he is fit, No Kalin Again, I'm not surprised. If

929
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: you say you don't want to be picked and suddenly

930
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: your backflipped, then I think you don't get picked, and

931
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: no Jake Trevoyevitch again tough on Jake can't pick them

932
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: all though I suppose the spine Mitch Moses, Tommy Diddon,

933
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: Harry Grant, Dylan Edwards, I see it.

934
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: There's a weird spine in my opinion. I see it

935
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: as a particularly particularly Mitch Moses, not because he's not

936
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: because he doesn't deserve to be there, but his year

937
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: this year and how paramatter have gone. He's been injured.

938
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: Even when he did come back into the side, he

939
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: didn't have the impact like you had sort of the

940
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: year before. I thought it was I thought it was

941
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: a weird selection, particularly over at Cherry Evans, who probably

942
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 2: had nearly one of his best years ever.

943
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: I think there's some really smart selections there by Mail

944
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: a few of those surprise selections, but I think smart

945
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: I reckon last year Mail learned at learn a lot.

946
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: I think at times you've got to be careful picking

947
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: experienced players at the end of a long season. Like

948
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: it's a great feeling, represents Australia, it's one of the

949
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: greatest things in my life. But there's some of the

950
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: players at the end of a long season. I reckon.

951
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: Last year it showed a little bit as they got

952
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: to the final against the Kiz and beaten thirty nil

953
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: ad and thurs by the Kiwiz. So what Male's done,

954
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: He's picked a number of blokes that haven't played for

955
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: Australia before are right at the start of their Australian career.

956
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Dilan Edwards first time, he'll play fullback. I don't think

957
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: he played before. He had to win. Harry's vice captain

958
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: Tommy did. Will give everything he's got, Mitch Moses playing

959
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: for Australia. Hunt on the bench is Benny Hunt on

960
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: the bench right, But Lindsay Smith, the young blake from

961
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: Penrith coming into the side, like it's a surprise selection.

962
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a great selection now he's a young

963
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: bloke on the up and he'll just bring energy and

964
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: excitement to the camp. I reckon. That's been one of

965
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: the crucial things, one of the I think it's been

966
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: one of the crucial elements of Mao's selections. Enthusiasm and

967
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: blokes who really want to be there.

968
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: I'd tell you what as well. I wouldn't be surprised,

969
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: particularly after the Kaalin situation which I in my opinion.

970
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: I know people had a lot to say about Kaylen.

971
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't if a bloke wants to prioritize

972
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: his he's the only one who's missing out in terms of,

973
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: you know, you get a bit of cash, you get

974
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: to go back to preseason later, which every NFL player,

975
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: no one loves going back to preseason better than like

976
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: going back in January, because it's it's the best feeling

977
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: that way we get along the break. I think it

978
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: says lader bloke, who I think probably it just didn't

979
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: go about it the right way when it did come out.

980
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: But I don't think he deserved a lot of criticism.

981
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: He did.

982
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: But I was going to say, I think a lot

983
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: of I think there was a lot of conversations in

984
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised

985
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: if a lot of if mel had rung a lot

986
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: of players who may have been carrying half niggles and

987
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: said do you want me to pick it, and a

988
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: lot of them said, look, yeah, don't pick me.

989
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Kuber, my worst seasons in regular were coming back in January,

990
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: really because it wasn't natural football. I needed to train

991
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: my ass off. Usually i'd take two weeks off at

992
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Then I'll start again with

993
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: a bit of light stuff because I had to because

994
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't Andrew Johnson, and I wasn't Jonathan Thurston. I

995
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: wasn't any of those players, so I had to. I

996
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: think it's very dangerous at times. It's different when you're

997
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: a camera smith and when a superstars or you're a

998
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: player that's been been there for eleven years. Right, he

999
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: got that big base, But for younger players, I think

1000
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: it's very very dangerous. And I come back in January.

1001
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: You're handicapping yourself to a certain extent.

1002
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, did Andrew Johns how I wanted to ask just

1003
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: you sort of spoke about you only take two weeks

1004
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: off and then you start to get back at a

1005
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: training so you come back and good Nick was joey

1006
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: because he he does portray himself as someone who you know,

1007
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: it was quite rats asked. But you've sort of a

1008
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: lot of people have lifted the lid on. He was

1009
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: a very hard trainer when he was at Knights in

1010
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: the off season. If he had six weeks seven weeks off,

1011
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 2: was he ripping into a lot of training?

1012
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: Andrew always squared the ledger. Joey had a good time. Yes,

1013
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: Joey would go on benders sometimes, but guess what, he

1014
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: had the discipline to get himself out of bed a

1015
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: train his ass off to square the ledger. You always

1016
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: have to square the ledger. And this is one of

1017
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: the one of I think one of the reasons why

1018
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: the Knights went through a downturn for a number of

1019
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: years is because all those young guys that came through

1020
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: w end I've been seeing your players that played with

1021
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: Joey's young guys. They saw the party Joey. They never

1022
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: saw the other Joey who squared the lad Joey will

1023
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: get up first thing in the morning and he would

1024
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: just go train by himself. Yeah, yeah, Joey. Joey take

1025
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: a few weeks off and then he'd rip into his training.

1026
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: He always came back. He did always come back in

1027
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: pretty good, nick carrying a couple of kilos, but he

1028
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: would always go really good at his fitness. He never

1029
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: came back and people went, oh God, look at this.

1030
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: He was ready to go in.

1031
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: He came okay, okay, because yeah, like you said, it's

1032
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: from the outside looking in, you get that.

1033
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 1: Well.

1034
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: He likes to perceive himself like that. But chatting to

1035
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: a players who did play with him, they would say

1036
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: that he was a very much behind behind the closed door.

1037
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: He he was different to how he perceived himself.

1038
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm not going to come out and say that

1039
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: the very best players train the very best, because some

1040
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: quite that. But I'll see what they're in the top five.

1041
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: There are some players that I'd played with right that

1042
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: they absolutely trained themselves to a standstill because they weren't

1043
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: natural footballers to extent the other fours. They didn't have

1044
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: great hands, you know they're was it that they didn't

1045
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: They weren't bringing a hitting holes and working with playmakers.

1046
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: They just got through. I'm making forty tackles a game,

1047
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: missing no tackles and being super fit leading the hit ups.

1048
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: But the best players, you talk to those North queens

1049
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: Land blokes, they'll say that J two was in the

1050
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: top three to five trainers in that club. Lead by example.

1051
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: Couper great year. Loved it so as regular league. And

1052
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: once again I'll repeat well done to all the players,

1053
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: to the clubs and the NRAL itself. A well done

1054
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: to the referees too. The few up and ups and

1055
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: downs with the bunkers, but the way they've controlled the

1056
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: game has helped make the game what it was. A

1057
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: successful year, beautiful.

1058
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: Thank you Matthew, Thank you Cuba.