Speaker 1: I get a team. It's the You Project. It's Patrick
Speaker 1: and Tiffany and I'll be in the background here. My
Speaker 1: name is Craig. Welcome to the show. Let's start with
Speaker 1: forty two years and one day, shall we Birthday? Yesterday?
Speaker 1: Birthday girl, Happy birthday.
Speaker 2: That's me. It's my favorite daily d Do you know
Speaker 2: what because I get a beautiful rendition of Happy Birthday
Speaker 2: sung to me by the great Man, and I'd just
Speaker 2: wake up looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: Isn't that sweet? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I sing happy but well always into the message bank.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think a good rendition of happy
Speaker 1: Birthday is nice or a terrible one in my case,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless.
Speaker 3: It's a nice gesture, isn't it. Hey, Craig. You know
Speaker 3: my friends who live in Hampton, my dear friends.
Speaker 4: Quite often they will collectively get together and all sing
Speaker 4: happy birthday to me and leave a message on my phone.
Speaker 1: That's likely, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I sing to my mum, Happy birthday. To my dad,
Speaker 1: I sing happy anniversary on May twenty six, which is
Speaker 1: coming up very soon. There's a lot of birthdays. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people whose birthday is in May.
Speaker 1: A lot, So I wonder what what is that? When
Speaker 1: does that mean people were being frisky? What month? So
Speaker 1: it's the fifth I knew that.
Speaker 3: When were they shagging?
Speaker 1: When were they routing? Let's get let's does that make
Speaker 1: it about September the year before or something.
Speaker 2: Bit of spring shenanigans springing into action.
Speaker 4: I feel like I need to introduce my a different
Speaker 4: one of the topics for today. I was going to
Speaker 4: talk about it later in the show, but for our
Speaker 4: friends in the US, there's a real problem with tariffs
Speaker 4: that people haven't really focused on as much, and it's
Speaker 4: quite a concern because should people be panic buying vibrators
Speaker 4: right now? There's a real well because most vibrators are
Speaker 4: made in China, and so there's actually real concern out
Speaker 4: there that you know, your favorite companion toy, if you
Speaker 4: don't have them, to have nofully looking for children, you
Speaker 4: might need to jump in and make a panic by
Speaker 4: I know what.
Speaker 2: I'll be asking for on my next birthday, then.
Speaker 5: Good gracious going up in pride.
Speaker 1: I don't know that everyone's worried about it. I think
Speaker 1: that might be overstating it. I was going to say
Speaker 1: that people still use those I really haven't thought about
Speaker 1: that problem.
Speaker 4: There are smart ones now, people who go away from
Speaker 4: their partners, you can internet connect them. The Internet of
Speaker 4: things has just to open up the whole world of
Speaker 4: online sex.
Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, you might need to without without
Speaker 1: going into terrortory, who we shouldn't, You might need to
Speaker 1: unpack that there are partner ones now what does that mean? Patrick?
Speaker 4: There are smart devices that you can so I can
Speaker 4: I can turn on my lights when I'm away, I
Speaker 4: can turn their condition to when I'm away from home.
Speaker 4: So if you have a partner who has a smart device,
Speaker 4: you could potentially engage in pleasure, mutual pleasuring.
Speaker 2: They hold the butt, perhaps they hold the butt?
Speaker 1: How do you know about this?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have a significant other to
Speaker 2: play those games.
Speaker 3: Why you know?
Speaker 1: You know how you're straight and Patrick's not?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe disappointment, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Well? I definitely think one of you should jump the
Speaker 1: fence anyway. I mean imagine if you went Patrick, I'm
Speaker 1: straight except for Tiff. Yeah, I mean sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm gay for Tip and vice versa.
Speaker 3: Do you reckon?
Speaker 1: You guys could have like a wild card where you
Speaker 1: just go look. Generally speaking, we would be the best.
Speaker 4: I think we could do everything together and hang out
Speaker 4: because we're pretty good buds and I reckon we would
Speaker 4: get on super super well, don't you reckon.
Speaker 2: Tiff, I reckon.
Speaker 3: Our dogs like each other. That's one of the most
Speaker 3: important thing.
Speaker 2: You just reminded me of a weird dream. I literally
Speaker 2: woke up to this morning and just remembered. I won't
Speaker 2: mention the name, but it was it was someone they've
Speaker 2: been on my show, which gives nothing away because there's
Speaker 2: been nine hundred episodes, but they rang me, not in
Speaker 2: my sleep and not for real, but in my dream
Speaker 2: they rang me and we were talking and chatting, and
Speaker 2: then they said it was a bloke and he said
Speaker 2: I'm in love with a man now and I was
Speaker 2: like oh. And then at some point I woke up,
Speaker 2: so I don't get the full story, but so random.
Speaker 1: Do you ever do that? And you're just like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I've got to go back to sleep to find out
Speaker 1: who it.
Speaker 2: Is, always bringing him and going are you Yeah.
Speaker 4: One of the weirdest dreams I ever remember having as
Speaker 4: a kid is I was in the middle of a
Speaker 4: conversation with someone and then I got woken up and
Speaker 4: then went back to sleep.
Speaker 3: And resumed the conversation in my dream.
Speaker 2: I love dreams. I love them so much.
Speaker 4: Perhaps you did an episode recently on Lucid Dreaming. I
Speaker 4: saw it and thought, I got to listen to that one.
Speaker 4: So because I'm fascinated with the concept of lucid dreaming,
Speaker 4: Well you did do it topically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually an older app that we put
Speaker 1: up because I was interstate this, so we we did
Speaker 1: a little bit of a revisiting. But yeah, he was
Speaker 1: really good. He was really good. So if you want to,
Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated with that. Like I think there's an
Speaker 1: oh no, we've kind of said this a bit. There's
Speaker 1: so much that we don't understand about the mind and
Speaker 1: the brain and consciousness and unconsciousness and the you know,
Speaker 1: the other day I was I was going down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole of you know how people have said many times,
Speaker 1: we have seventy thousand thoughts a day. Right, Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard that figure, either of you? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's a very common, but bullshit number. That's weird out.
Speaker 1: So if you had seventy thousand thoughts a day, it
Speaker 1: would mean that basically, in a twenty four hour day,
Speaker 1: you have to have about one new original thought every second,
Speaker 1: which clearly I mean and sometimes I don't have four
Speaker 1: thoughts in an hour, right, so as if I'm having
Speaker 1: fucking one thought every second, and so the perhaps the
Speaker 1: more reliable number, and again it's it varies wildly, like
Speaker 1: but it's somewhere maybe around six thousand. There's research that
Speaker 1: says it's that, but even that, and then I was thinking, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I wonder if like what we're when
Speaker 1: we're dreaming, is that thinking? Like, is that does that
Speaker 1: counter's thoughts?
Speaker 2: And the definition of a thought? Which sounds like a
Speaker 2: dumb question, but what's the definition? Because then how are
Speaker 2: they getting the number or measuring well?
Speaker 1: Because when so the way that they do it is
Speaker 1: there's a when you put I think it's an MRI
Speaker 1: when you're when you're looking at the brain. You know,
Speaker 1: under certain conditions, when people have a thought, there's a
Speaker 1: change in brain activity and that correlates with a thought,
Speaker 1: so they look at the Again, I'm not a neuroscientist,
Speaker 1: I'm a more in the psych space, but my understanding
Speaker 1: is that there's a visible kind of response in brain
Speaker 1: activity when people have a thought. So obviously they can't
Speaker 1: track thoughts per se, but they can track the physiological
Speaker 1: representation of thoughts. But I still think six thousand is
Speaker 1: too many. I think that's bullshit.
Speaker 3: But that's you know, a staggering number those and in
Speaker 3: a day.
Speaker 4: But getting at old sleeping, but I mean, there's a
Speaker 4: lucid Dreaming is one of the topics that I've always
Speaker 4: been fascinated by. But also when we go to sleep,
Speaker 4: we know how important sleep is to cleaning out our brain,
Speaker 4: but we also know that when we dream sometimes it's
Speaker 4: our subconscious mind working on problems as well. I mean,
Speaker 4: I had a friend contact me who's an author, and
Speaker 4: his publisher had designed a book cover for him and
Speaker 4: he hated it. He didn't like the cover, and he
Speaker 4: kept going back to them and the designer and it
Speaker 4: was doing in front and so out of desperation he
Speaker 4: contacted me and said, look, these are the concepts that
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about, but they just can't get the
Speaker 4: design right. And I said, okay, look I might have
Speaker 4: a look at it tomorrow. That was a late night thing.
Speaker 4: Went to sleep, woke up about four am. The entire
Speaker 4: cover was in my mind, the finished cover was there.
Speaker 4: I got out of bed, I took down some notes
Speaker 4: and that was it. That was the entire book cover.
Speaker 4: So I didn't do any work at all. Most subconscious
Speaker 4: did all that. But I could visualize that I knew
Speaker 4: what I wanted it to look like, and that it
Speaker 4: was a matter of just putting it all together graphically
Speaker 4: when I had the opportunity, and that ended up being
Speaker 4: the book cover. But I didn't do any conscious work.
Speaker 4: It was all subconscious.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. But you think about even in dreams,
Speaker 1: when you are when you're dreaming something which is an
Speaker 1: alternate reality of course. Like let's say you're walking down
Speaker 1: a street and you in this dream and in this
Speaker 1: dream you feel like you're in danger. Well, even in
Speaker 1: the dream, you're still solving problems. You're thinking, Fuck, maybe
Speaker 1: I better cross the street, or what if this? What if?
Speaker 1: Like it is funny, your brain is still working, like
Speaker 1: your brain's never not working, and it is thinking, but
Speaker 1: it's a different kind of thinking. And I wonder, I
Speaker 1: wonder when you're in that, Yeah, I wonder if you're
Speaker 1: still getting the same level of recovery Patrick, when you're
Speaker 1: when you're designing books in your sleep versus book covers.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you get up. You're like, I'm fucked.
Speaker 1: Why am I so fucked? I slept well, I was
Speaker 1: fixing this motherfucker's book. That's why I'm so tired.
Speaker 3: That's such a good question. Yeah, charged more, I wonder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really fascinating thought, because you know, it's
Speaker 4: the level of sleep you're getting too, whether it's rem
Speaker 4: sleep in terms of what your brain is doing to
Speaker 4: to kind of clean itself out.
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by it.
Speaker 4: I'd love to sit down and have a long conversation
Speaker 4: with a dream expert, because I reckon if I could
Speaker 4: recall my dreams, I would wholy hollywoodize them, because I do.
Speaker 3: I have the most of them. I did Parkour the
Speaker 3: other night.
Speaker 4: In my dreams, I was running around, I was doing
Speaker 4: all this action stuff. I was jumping off buildings and
Speaker 4: it was awesome. We could play it back.
Speaker 1: Have you ever in a dream been like with someone
Speaker 1: and the level of familiarity that you have with them.
Speaker 1: In the dream, it's like, oh yeah, and you're talking
Speaker 1: with this person, hanging out with this person, and it's
Speaker 1: all very comfortable and normal and familiar. Then you wake
Speaker 1: up and you're like, I don't even fucking hardly know
Speaker 1: that person. Like in the dream, you have this relationship
Speaker 1: that you don't have in real life, and it seems
Speaker 1: very comfortable and normal. I remember nothing untoward happened. But
Speaker 1: recently I had a dream with one of my friends.
Speaker 1: His wife was in it, and we were having coffee
Speaker 1: and talking and it's not like I don't like her,
Speaker 1: but we don't know each other. And I mean, we
Speaker 1: know each other to say hello, but that enough happened.
Speaker 1: It wasn't sexual or romantic, but we're in this situation
Speaker 1: together and it was like, Oh, this is what we do.
Speaker 1: We hang out and we talk and we're talking about
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And then I woke up. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know her. Why is she in my dream?
Speaker 1: And why are we such good friends in the dream.
Speaker 5: Maybe you're a conscious stalker. Maybe maybe probably better to
Speaker 5: do it in your dreams than real life, though, right my.
Speaker 4: Friends have mentioned that you do walk past their house occasionally,
Speaker 4: which is a bit creepy.
Speaker 1: Well, that's just they happen to live in the same suburbs.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know where their house is, so that's
Speaker 1: probably that they're probably more creepy than they creepy. Your heart,
Speaker 1: probably creepy planet every time I walk past their house
Speaker 1: that I friends. Yeah, tip before we actually do a
Speaker 1: proper episode, did you have a nice birthday? What did
Speaker 1: you do? Tell the world how old you are? If
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with that? And you mentioned before before, and
Speaker 1: I'll shut up with this. Patrick and I are fair
Speaker 1: that you often get a little bit sad e Mac sadster,
Speaker 1: but you didn't I do.
Speaker 2: It's really funny. I think I don't know what that's about.
Speaker 2: A few issues, you know, but I think I sometimes
Speaker 2: feel a bit a mix of excited and sad. On
Speaker 2: my birthday, and I had the best birthday. I woke up,
Speaker 2: I've got a beautiful I've got an email. First opened
Speaker 2: eyes and I checked my emails and I'd been transferred
Speaker 2: tickets from an awesome human for an awesome show. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, it's my birthday. I
Speaker 2: didn't even remember yet. So I got a present. I
Speaker 2: never get presents. And then I had my course all day,
Speaker 2: and then I went and had dinner with a really
Speaker 2: good friend and I ate the most amazing banana chocolate
Speaker 2: pancake I've ever eaten in my life, and it was
Speaker 2: so good. Wow, and I've got the best birthday cat
Speaker 2: and I had a cat on it got a picture
Speaker 2: of cat and it says fuck your birthday, and the
Speaker 2: cat's pushing over a vase. Friend wrote, this wasn't the
Speaker 2: card I was gonna pick, but then I saw it
Speaker 2: and thought of bear and I had to get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense. But yeah, exactly with the tipping
Speaker 3: over stuff.
Speaker 1: And so are you excited moving forward? Like do you
Speaker 1: think the best is yet to come?
Speaker 2: I think it is. I think the years go fast
Speaker 2: now and I feel like I'm in a bit of
Speaker 2: a change period and I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think have you ever?
Speaker 1: The other day I did a gig in Queensland for
Speaker 1: a company called el Gas, who are now I think
Speaker 1: owned by boc Boch But anyway, so it was nearly
Speaker 1: one hundred people, mainly dudes. I'll shut up after this,
Speaker 1: but talking about this talking about age, So I do
Speaker 1: this thing where and we're talking about you know, basically
Speaker 1: looking after yourself, you know, and not waiting till shit breaks,
Speaker 1: and how how many people wait till something goes wrong
Speaker 1: and then they go, oh my god, I should really
Speaker 1: eat well or maybe I should go for a jog,
Speaker 1: or eat or drink less beer or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And so I do this thing where I put up
Speaker 1: a big, straight, horizontal line across the whiteboard, and on
Speaker 1: the left hand side is zero and on the far
Speaker 1: right hand side of the line is eighty two, which
Speaker 1: is the average stray and life expectancy. And then I go,
Speaker 1: now put up your hand if you are around fifty.
Speaker 1: And most of the room were around fifty, so then
Speaker 1: I go. Then I scrub out like I just squiggle
Speaker 1: through all the line up until fifty, and I go,
Speaker 1: so this is what you've done, This is where you've been,
Speaker 1: and if you live to a typical life expectancy of
Speaker 1: an average Aussie, you've got if you're fifty five, you've
Speaker 1: got twenty seven years to go. And everybody's like, ah fuck,
Speaker 1: And I say, you could have way longer, you could
Speaker 1: have less, who knows, but I'm just talking about statistically normal, right,
Speaker 1: And I said, and if I'm normal, I've got twenty years.
Speaker 1: Like I'm on the fucking home straight. And then we
Speaker 1: just start to go, all right, well, if this is
Speaker 1: where I am and this is how far I've got
Speaker 1: to go, maybe what do I want that to look like.
Speaker 1: And I think when you think about today in the
Speaker 1: context of your whole life, it gives you a different perspective.
Speaker 1: Like if you go, you're going to live to mid eighties,
Speaker 1: let's hope you live to one hundred, but let's just
Speaker 1: go statistically mid eighties. You're about halfway right now. And
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a morbid thing. I think it's
Speaker 1: a fucking fascinating thing to go cool. So I've done
Speaker 1: half my life, give or take. What do I want
Speaker 1: the second half of my life to look like? And
Speaker 1: what do I need to do to make it be
Speaker 1: what I want it to look like? Like? What decisions
Speaker 1: do I need to make now? An action do I
Speaker 1: need to take now to create this version the second
Speaker 1: half of my life that I would like to inhabit.
Speaker 1: So you start to get a little bit conscious and
Speaker 1: strategic about living rather than incidental and unintentional living.
Speaker 2: I reckon, it's looking at all the things I hold
Speaker 2: on to or we hold on to, and why, like
Speaker 2: we get to hear here, I am forty two, all
Speaker 2: this stuff, all this experience, all this stuff, and then
Speaker 2: I hold it and I'm like, okay, this is It's like,
Speaker 2: hang on, how what parts of this will deliver it?
Speaker 2: Why do I feel I don't know sometimes stack or
Speaker 2: what is my identity in the middle of this? And
Speaker 2: I feel like this year I've been slowing down a bit,
Speaker 2: refocusing on a few things and then just going all right, well,
Speaker 2: maybe this he is forever, and maybe it's not. Maybe
Speaker 2: this is forever and maybe it's not. Maybe this is
Speaker 2: like and maybe I'm just a beginner at life right now.
Speaker 1: Well, your granddad's still around. He's one hundred and one,
Speaker 1: isn't he? And is he still on Tinder?
Speaker 3: Or yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still swiping away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, still swiping. And Patrick's Patrick's fifty whatever going on
Speaker 1: fifty seventeen fifty seven. You're not fifty seven. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: almost fifty eight, fifty eight in July. Hell, you are
Speaker 1: really the youngest fifty seven year old I've ever met
Speaker 1: like you. No, no, no, I'm not even trying to
Speaker 1: be nice to you. You're I reckon you're going to
Speaker 1: live to one hundred. I reckon both of you live
Speaker 1: to one hundred. I really do. I would put money
Speaker 1: on both of you living too.
Speaker 2: We're here to say it, yeah, exactly, We're here to
Speaker 2: say it. HAPs I'll be I'll be so dead, you'll
Speaker 2: be leading the pack.
Speaker 1: You guys.
Speaker 2: Melissa won't let that happen. Melissa won't let you move on.
Speaker 1: I joke about dying. Melissa cracks the shits, although she
Speaker 1: has been teach training AI on my voice so she
Speaker 1: can do podcasts when I'm dead. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I reckon.
Speaker 4: Melissa is going to do a Walt Disney on you. Your
Speaker 4: head is going to end up in a little fridge somewhere.
Speaker 1: In the yogenic cryogenic kind of chamber somewhere, just to
Speaker 1: re animate me when the time comes, when the technology
Speaker 1: is caught up. Could we put me on a better body?
Speaker 1: Could we put me on like you know, C three
Speaker 1: PO or R two D two? I just fucking wheel
Speaker 1: around or Chewbacker. No, I want to be Chewbacker.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: That's actually pretty.
Speaker 3: Much was joking.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, I told you not to have oats for breakfast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was trying to do.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about uh can I talk about?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well yeah, technology. I guess that's what we're
Speaker 3: here for now.
Speaker 4: You know, when Tiff was talking about turning her age
Speaker 4: and she and no way does she look her age.
Speaker 4: And then when you started talking about the timeline and
Speaker 4: scrubbing out everything beforehand and how much you've got left,
Speaker 4: I thought, what the hell am I doing sitting here?
Speaker 3: I should be doing something productive.
Speaker 1: No, exactly exactly, but what I.
Speaker 4: Was thinking was that the concept of time is so relative.
Speaker 4: If you're practicing mindfulness and doing a meditation and in
Speaker 4: my case, doing tai chi or tif you're in the ring,
Speaker 4: boxing or crago, you're on a you know, standing up
Speaker 4: in front of a whole lot of people, your perception
Speaker 4: of time will change, you know, And that's something.
Speaker 3: That we do have control of. You know.
Speaker 4: Do we take pockets of time in our day to
Speaker 4: slow down, to deep breathe, to get away from the
Speaker 4: frenetic pace of our lives by deliberately slowing it down,
Speaker 4: So yes, we can extend that time. And the reason
Speaker 4: I was talking about that and the relative terms of
Speaker 4: time is I saw that this week Apple was fined
Speaker 4: eight hundred and ninety million dollars and Meta was fined
Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty six million dollars for breaching the
Speaker 4: new a EU laws. This basically, I'm not going to
Speaker 4: go into all the details because that's not the that's
Speaker 4: not not the angle I wanted to talk about. But effectively,
Speaker 4: it's because they've got a monopoly on the App store,
Speaker 4: on the Apple devices, and so the EU says it's
Speaker 4: anticque competitive. Apple charges like a thirty percent on each
Speaker 4: app purchase, so they're making lots of money. So I
Speaker 4: did a bit of digging and I thought, okay, so
Speaker 4: if Apple gets fined eight hundred and ninety million dollars,
Speaker 4: is that a lot of money? I mean, it's a
Speaker 4: lot of money for us. But Apple's worth three point
Speaker 4: one six trillion, which is five trillion Australian dollars. Okay,
Speaker 4: So eight hundred and ninety million is approximately zero point
Speaker 4: one seven eight percent of five trillion, So we're talking
Speaker 4: seventeen dollars. If we were comparing that with an average
Speaker 4: wage of one hundred thousand dollars, it would be so
Speaker 4: if you had a wage of one hundred thousand, it'd
Speaker 4: be like you getting a seventeen dollar fine.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, isn't it. Yeah, I don't have to you
Speaker 1: know this off the top of your head. So a
Speaker 1: million is six zeros, yes, and a billion is nine zeros.
Speaker 1: Is a trillion twelve zeros.
Speaker 4: Again, I don't know, but you know what, I was
Speaker 4: talking with my friend. I dog walk with a friend
Speaker 4: Kim Tiff. You that you've met Kim, and we were
Speaker 4: talking about this on our dog walk two days ago,
Speaker 4: and Kim explained it the best way ever in terms
Speaker 4: of how big the numbers are. She said, think of
Speaker 4: it in terms of seconds. So I did some sums
Speaker 4: and I thought, one million seconds is eleven and a
Speaker 4: half days. One trillion seconds is equivalent to eleven point
Speaker 4: five seven million days.
Speaker 3: So that's thirty one thousand years.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I just asked Uncle Chap, JP tay and
Speaker 1: it it is twelve zeros.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, it's just bring them out. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: There's I mean, you think about this like everything like time, money, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, resources, it's all It's all kind of context dependent, really,
Speaker 1: isn't it Like depending on who you are, where you live,
Speaker 1: what your situation, one thousand dollars is an incredible amount
Speaker 1: of money. For somebody else, it's what they spend on
Speaker 1: a business dinner, you know, on a weekly basis, or
Speaker 1: or more than that. You know, it's like it's and
Speaker 1: the same with you know when you're getting your teeth
Speaker 1: pulled out or something. Three minutes seems like three hours
Speaker 1: when you're meditating like you or something. Maybe three hours
Speaker 1: of three minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a Scandinavian country and I can't remember which
Speaker 4: one it might be Norway where when you get a
Speaker 4: speed fine it's means tested, so it's not a fixed amounts.
Speaker 1: And that is so interesting.
Speaker 3: It's good, isn't it.
Speaker 4: And there was a guy who got a speed find
Speaker 4: a rich guy, and he ended up paying two million
Speaker 4: dollars or two million euro But he kind of looked
Speaker 4: at it circumspect and he said, look, I hope the
Speaker 4: money gets put to good use. But it makes a
Speaker 4: lot of sense when you think about it, because it's
Speaker 4: all relative. If you're earning, you know, five hundred dollars
Speaker 4: a week, then a speeding fine of one thousand bucks,
Speaker 4: it's two weeks wages. But if you happen to be
Speaker 4: a millillionaire or a billionaire, then it has no meaning
Speaker 4: to you at all.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, But here's here's my devil's advocate, right, yeap.
Speaker 1: Let's say you start from nothing and you build up.
Speaker 1: You've got nothing, You've got no help, no support, You're earning.
Speaker 1: Fuck all. You build a business, you grow your brand,
Speaker 1: you struggle, your grind, your hustle, and you build up
Speaker 1: and then you eventually become wealthy. And nobody gave you anything,
Speaker 1: and you build wealth and then you have to pay
Speaker 1: a two million dollar fine that Tiff has to pay
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars because you did well. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like we, especially in Australia, I feel like we
Speaker 1: hate people who do well. Oh you're rich, you can
Speaker 1: pay more. Why it's the same It's the same fine
Speaker 1: or the same crime. Like, I don't like that. I
Speaker 1: don't like that. I don't think we should. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying because I'm rich, because I ain't rich, But
Speaker 1: I just don't think like saying, oh fuck them, they
Speaker 1: can afford it, because you know, it's like even now
Speaker 1: with land tax and all of these things are happening,
Speaker 1: So people who've worked hard and bought a second home
Speaker 1: now they're getting, like all of the homes on the Peninsula,
Speaker 1: not all of them, but a lot down near where
Speaker 1: I live, they're getting sold because people can't afford them
Speaker 1: now because of all the land tax. And so you
Speaker 1: do well and then you get penalized. You know, and
Speaker 1: I know some people are probably are fucking boohoo, but
Speaker 1: it's like, well, we try to encourage people to be
Speaker 1: successful and work hard and be the best that they
Speaker 1: can be. But then once they do that, then they
Speaker 1: get penalized for doing well.
Speaker 3: And we do have that tall poppy syndrome in Australia.
Speaker 3: Let's face it. It's true.
Speaker 4: You're right, and I do see where you're coming from.
Speaker 4: And I'm very lucky. I've got such a broad cross
Speaker 4: section of friends and one couple who are really dear
Speaker 4: friends have done really well.
Speaker 3: They got married really young.
Speaker 4: I think she was kind of fifteen or sixteen and
Speaker 4: he was a couple years older. It's like one of
Speaker 4: those amazing stories. And they've been married like fifty years
Speaker 4: and they've worked.
Speaker 3: They worked so hard.
Speaker 4: They ran a furniture business for years and years and years,
Speaker 4: never took holidays, and now they're enjoying. They're enjoying there
Speaker 4: at a moment. They've got a lovely farm, they go away.
Speaker 4: They've been to Japan heaps of times, and I have
Speaker 4: so much respect. And the lovely thing is they've been
Speaker 4: part of their knowledge and wisdom and have helped me
Speaker 4: out on different occasions and they're amazing people.
Speaker 3: So I do know what you're saying. But again I
Speaker 3: kind of, you know.
Speaker 4: I war with that because I also see on the
Speaker 4: other side how young people who struggle, and you know,
Speaker 4: rent is going up for a lot of people.
Speaker 3: And there was a story recently where.
Speaker 4: A young woman had just been diagnosed with cancer and
Speaker 4: she got kicked out and she got evicted from her
Speaker 4: house because she couldn't pay the rents. You know, those
Speaker 4: are the types of horrific stories where you think, well,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of have nots out there are
Speaker 4: students who are struggling with HEXTEBT. You know, there's still
Speaker 4: the other side of it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and anyway, let's not go down a philosophical game.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Let's talk about technology.
Speaker 4: Okay, A, there's so much AI stuff that I wanted
Speaker 4: to talk about. Remember I showed you those metagal the
Speaker 4: ray bands, and how these new ray bands coming out
Speaker 4: they've got cameras built into them and you can now
Speaker 4: one of the things that Metas saying you can do
Speaker 4: is you can do real time translation.
Speaker 3: So if I was talking to you when you were
Speaker 3: speaking in a different.
Speaker 4: Language, it will convert the text and what you're saying
Speaker 4: into a different language. I think at the moment it
Speaker 4: supports Spanish, Italian, English, and maybe German. But there is
Speaker 4: a big concern with this because Meta can effectively turn
Speaker 4: those smart glasses into real time surveillance devices. And so
Speaker 4: there are a few people who are into cybersecurity. You're
Speaker 4: kind of jumping up and down and saying, well, you know,
Speaker 4: an email was sent out by Meta on the twenty
Speaker 4: ninth April, and that basically opened up the ability to
Speaker 4: collect more data to then train their AI models on.
Speaker 4: And that means that what's happening is even the recordings
Speaker 4: that you have will automatically go onto the cloud and
Speaker 4: be stored for ninety days. But you don't have an
Speaker 4: option to opt out. The only thing I can do
Speaker 4: is go to the cloud and delete those recordings manually.
Speaker 3: So they've taken that out. You can't not allow Meta.
Speaker 4: Anything you record goes onto the cloud, onto their servers.
Speaker 3: And you've got to manually go through and delete that.
Speaker 4: So this is raising a lot of concerns because users
Speaker 4: will not have the ability to keep their voice recordings
Speaker 4: from being stored on the Meta servers, and that to
Speaker 4: me is kind of frightening, particularly if you're walking around
Speaker 4: and taking photos and videos, then those are going onto
Speaker 4: the server as well, and it opens the whole rabbit
Speaker 4: hole of what happens.
Speaker 3: To that data and the data is being used to
Speaker 3: train the AI is on.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you. I think if you know,
Speaker 1: going in, if I use this device, this is part
Speaker 1: of the deal. Then you have the option of saying
Speaker 1: I'm not going to use the device like but they
Speaker 1: need to make that, which they probably don't, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but that needs to be clearly stated up front that
Speaker 1: if you use this particular product, this is one of
Speaker 1: the consequences or one of the realities of you know,
Speaker 1: you are agreeing to this, which yeah, yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: tend to really explain to well upfront.
Speaker 4: So I think it's again it's and you know, the
Speaker 4: other concern, and I know a lot of the APE
Speaker 4: Triple C has come out in support of this, is
Speaker 4: making the terms and conditions more simple, because the reality
Speaker 4: of it is, I would challenge the average person, they
Speaker 4: would never read the terms and conditions. You just click
Speaker 4: that little tickbox and say yes, And I've done that.
Speaker 4: I do it all the time, you know, I guess
Speaker 4: one thing you could do is run it all through
Speaker 4: chat GPT, you know, copy and paste the terms of
Speaker 4: conditions put in the chat GPT and say is there anything.
Speaker 3: Insidious about this? What should I be worried about?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And it'll say sit the fuck down, mate, you know,
Speaker 1: here we go. Here's yeah. But I do I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think that yeah. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever read one of those things in my life, and
Speaker 1: I think they probably rely on that fact, right.
Speaker 4: And that's the criticism by a lot of the competition
Speaker 4: watchdogs like the a Triple C, the Australian Competition and
Speaker 4: Consumer Commission, is that retailers need to be more transparent
Speaker 4: and they're not transparent when they put out you know,
Speaker 4: legal speak that we as average human beings have no
Speaker 4: concept of even understanding.
Speaker 3: You know, I shouldn't have to take the terms of
Speaker 3: additions to.
Speaker 4: My lawyer to be able to decide whether I want
Speaker 4: to open up a Facebook account, you know. But the
Speaker 4: reality of it is that that quite often is the case.
Speaker 4: And it's a it's a double edged sword.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 4: You know, you get this stuff for free, but there
Speaker 4: is always a little hook in the barb isn't there.
Speaker 3: There's always a little look at the end of it.
Speaker 4: Because nothing really is for free when we're talking about technology,
Speaker 4: whether it's opening up a free Gmail account, or having
Speaker 4: a Facebook account or an Instagram account, nothing, nothing really
Speaker 4: is free.
Speaker 1: Yeah seems like it is, but it isn't. Do you
Speaker 1: use chat, GPT and the like a lot, Patrick.
Speaker 4: A little bit. We tend to in our office. We
Speaker 4: do some really great stuff with AI to help our clients.
Speaker 4: By the way of like visually, so if we get
Speaker 4: given a photograph, it's portrait and it needs to be
Speaker 4: extended to landscape, so the background needs to be extended,
Speaker 4: Well we can do that and use you know, we
Speaker 4: use Adobe Illustrator and Adobe Photoshop and you've got these
Speaker 4: AI features built into it. I do sometimes, you know,
Speaker 4: even today before the show, when I was trying to
Speaker 4: get those figures, you know how many seconds equals years
Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. I use Chat GPT
Speaker 4: for that because it then gave me the formula, It
Speaker 4: showed me how it calculated all that stuff out and
Speaker 4: I did it in seconds just before the show, you know, ordinarily,
Speaker 4: and I'm not that smart.
Speaker 3: And when it comes to maths, so you know, I reckon,
Speaker 3: it would.
Speaker 4: Have taken me a lot longer to work it out,
Speaker 4: you know, divide it by sixty, then multiplay how many
Speaker 4: sixties there are, et cetera.
Speaker 3: So that was fantastic.
Speaker 4: So yes, I do use it a little bit, but
Speaker 4: generally because a lot of the work that I do
Speaker 4: tends to be visual, you know, designing visual posters and
Speaker 4: banners and things like that, logos, and sometimes you can
Speaker 4: use it to get inspiration.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm a big fan of.
Speaker 4: The personal touch and I love talking to clients and
Speaker 4: doing stuff on the fly with them. So I had
Speaker 4: a client sit in via Zoom and I was doing
Speaker 4: a logo for a really cool little company to I
Speaker 4: feel like this, there's a guy locally who's making hemp
Speaker 4: dog collars. A lot of dog collars are made from
Speaker 4: materials that will you know, when they're thrown away.
Speaker 3: They're plastics, and they're going to be in the environment.
Speaker 4: They're either going to poison the environment or be in
Speaker 4: theenvironment for a long long time. Whereas something like hemp
Speaker 4: is a really robust, fantastic material to use.
Speaker 3: It's a natural fiber, so it means is less sweating.
Speaker 4: It's a great fiber, and so I've been having a
Speaker 4: great time designing a logo and.
Speaker 3: You know, we did that in Zoom.
Speaker 4: You know, I was making changes and he was giving
Speaker 4: me feedback and it was great, and then he called
Speaker 4: his wife in and then called in his kid, and
Speaker 4: it was really fun to do that on the fly.
Speaker 3: So you know, I do like the personal touch.
Speaker 1: And it's biodegradable, right, so it just breaks down eventually.
Speaker 1: And I think also I watched a thing, Ah, what
Speaker 1: was it? There's a thing called hemp crete, right, which
Speaker 1: is basically where they use hemp a concrete. Yeah, hemp
Speaker 1: like all mushed up the fibers because it's really fucking
Speaker 1: strong and this mix of I think it's lime and concrete,
Speaker 1: but it has more strength than just normal concrete and
Speaker 1: weighs something like a quarter of the weight or maybe
Speaker 1: maybe less. Yeah, it's it's so funny that it's got
Speaker 1: such negative connotations because all people think about is marijuana.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: Material Yeah one d P. I wouldn't mind having hemp jocks.
Speaker 4: That'd be good, wouldn't it. You wouldn't have to wash
Speaker 4: them for ages.
Speaker 1: No, and they'd never wear out front to back in
Speaker 1: and if you've got him in a beige well even better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't callored them.
Speaker 4: You don't need to. Hem's got its own natural color.
Speaker 4: That would workouldn't it, Tiff. TIFF's just losing it there. Yeah, sorry, Tiff.
Speaker 1: It's funny because we're doing this on a Friday, and
Speaker 1: Friday is the day I changed my jock, So there
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, whether or not they need it, I
Speaker 1: change them.
Speaker 4: You know, he probably sits in his bed and whistles
Speaker 4: and they can walk to him.
Speaker 1: I just hold one leg out and they just slide
Speaker 1: up my quad. Yeah, they just run up there. I
Speaker 1: don't know how long have Jock's had little feet. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. But anyway, Patrick next.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's a little part of it that
Speaker 4: needs to feel like I need another shower today.
Speaker 3: Duo lingo?
Speaker 4: Have you ever used that, the language training like course
Speaker 4: where you can learn different languages?
Speaker 1: I have not, but I know exactly what you're talking
Speaker 1: and I've thought many times about it.
Speaker 4: Well, they've done like it's taken them twelve years to
Speaker 4: develop one hundred courses, which is amazing, and they're really
Speaker 4: in depth courses. But they're now about to introduce another
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty eight that were created with AI.
Speaker 4: So the company now reckons that it's going to effectively
Speaker 4: get rid of all their contractors and make it an
Speaker 4: AI first company. And you know, that's caused a lot
Speaker 4: of ripples for people, people who obviously work in that space.
Speaker 4: And you were talking before, jokingly saying that when your
Speaker 4: head's in a fridge that molescles are using an AI
Speaker 4: version of view for the show. But the reality of
Speaker 4: it is that, you know, the new world landscape is
Speaker 4: that AI is taking jobs. I think Microsoft did a
Speaker 4: survey recently of business leaders they do their annual survey,
Speaker 4: and I think one in three businesses is looking at
Speaker 4: integrating AI to reduce its staffing, specifically to reduce staffing,
Speaker 4: and that's that's.
Speaker 3: A really, really big thing.
Speaker 4: So you know, it opens up that whole landscape of well,
Speaker 4: what's going to happen with the jobs, and that's such
Speaker 4: a big concern. But that's a massive thing to have
Speaker 4: developed in the last twelve months more courses than they
Speaker 4: did in twelve years, so you know, nearly what one
Speaker 4: and a half times as many courses and that short
Speaker 4: amount of time not using human beings.
Speaker 3: It feels sad to me.
Speaker 1: It is, but it's kind of inevitable now. And you
Speaker 1: think about if you're a business and you say, look,
Speaker 1: we've got Brian and accounting, and Brian's costing us one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty, or we've got this AI that will
Speaker 1: do much better than Brian in much shorter time, has
Speaker 1: no holidays, no sick pay, has no emotions, never complains,
Speaker 1: and produces more reliable output. And I'm just being analytical.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, of course companies are going to choose
Speaker 1: the AI. I'm not saying it's bad, and I understand
Speaker 1: the moral and ethical and practical implications for all the humans,
Speaker 1: but eventually it's going to come down to dollars and cents,
Speaker 1: because like it or not, companies are all about making
Speaker 1: a profit. You know, they should be about a bunch
Speaker 1: of other things, but ultimately, you know that most companies
Speaker 1: care about the bottom line, and if employing or using
Speaker 1: AI saves them hundreds of thousands or millions, they're going
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd like to kind of adopt my policy
Speaker 4: of utopia, where Craig and Tiff work two days a week,
Speaker 4: get a full time wage, and then for the other
Speaker 4: days they can do whatever they want to do. They
Speaker 4: can go out and talk, or they can go and
Speaker 4: punch things, they can do meditation.
Speaker 3: I mean that to me, it would be great if
Speaker 3: that was the case.
Speaker 4: You know, one of the things as a small business,
Speaker 4: I made a decision last year with my colleague. I've
Speaker 4: only got one full time staffer and I've got you know,
Speaker 4: a couple of casuals. And you know, he's got a
Speaker 4: two year old girl, and he talked about wanting to
Speaker 4: take one day off a fortnight to be able to,
Speaker 4: you know, have spend a day with his daughter, go
Speaker 4: to swimming lessons, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: And so I thought about it.
Speaker 4: And I said, well, why don't we do a nine
Speaker 4: day work week where we work nine days but we
Speaker 4: still get paid a full time wage and.
Speaker 1: Give me a nine day work fortnight.
Speaker 3: Is that what I said?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't, look, you're right, a nine day fortnight, correct.
Speaker 4: But we did, and it's been really good and I
Speaker 4: don't think it's reduced our productivity at all. You know,
Speaker 4: we do use AI tools, but we're not replacing anybody
Speaker 4: anytime soon. But I think that, you know, like I said,
Speaker 4: my utopian society is yeah, let's embrace AI, but not
Speaker 4: to the detriment of people, but to be able to
Speaker 4: uplift and be able to reskill people and maybe job
Speaker 4: share where people don't have to work so many hours,
Speaker 4: because the reality of the workplace is people are now
Speaker 4: working more hours than they ever have. But in a
Speaker 4: lot of companies they're on fixed contracts, so they don't
Speaker 4: count the hours. They basically say they do KPIs and
Speaker 4: you have to achieve x amount in your a lot
Speaker 4: of time at work, and we're not counting the hours
Speaker 4: you're working, we're accounting the productivity. So that feels like
Speaker 4: we're getting a bit more draconly in the way that
Speaker 4: employers are working when it could go the other way.
Speaker 4: We have a really happy workforce who appreciate the fact
Speaker 4: that they don't have to work every single day, and
Speaker 4: then they're happier at work, they take left sick days,
Speaker 4: and hopefully it makes for a better society.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe again, Devil's Advocate, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it sounds great, and I'm not disagreeing with you, but
Speaker 1: I think we're operating on the assumption that if people
Speaker 1: work less, they'll be happier, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's necessarily true for every person in every case. I
Speaker 1: think people who have a job that they love, it's fulfilling,
Speaker 1: it gives them connection and social interaction, and they're solving problems,
Speaker 1: and they're growing, and they're using their brain, and they
Speaker 1: laugh and they work in a good culture. I don't
Speaker 1: know that all of a sudden, now you've got five
Speaker 1: days a week where you don't work, and all that
Speaker 1: other stuff you don't have that now you've got five days.
Speaker 1: I think for some people it would be great. Some
Speaker 1: people it would not be great. I think that we
Speaker 1: in our culture we have these underlying beliefs that we
Speaker 1: don't question, like, oh, work's bad, less work is better,
Speaker 1: more work is worse, retirement is good. You know. It's like,
Speaker 1: maybe I've not seen too many people who've retired and
Speaker 1: then their life's got awesome, you know. Like I think
Speaker 1: that I think theoretically when we go, oh fuck, what
Speaker 1: if I made the same amount of money in less
Speaker 1: time and then I didn't go to work three days
Speaker 1: so I had the extra Maybe I don't know, and
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you. I just think we need
Speaker 1: to put these things under the old thought microscope. And go, hmm,
Speaker 1: maybe that's true, maybe not.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a group of three people who
Speaker 4: all love what they do, you know.
Speaker 1: One hundred and yeah, this is a skewed pool. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think for many people it might make their life better, definitely, mate,
Speaker 1: but maybe not everyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, agreed. You were talking about chat chepet before.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you know this. GPT now
Speaker 4: has just launched a new feature where you can shop
Speaker 4: directly through chat CHPT, so you can look for the
Speaker 4: best bargain. You can do your research and do it
Speaker 4: all online. Some people reckon it's not a good thing,
Speaker 4: so there's been you know, people talking on the forums.
Speaker 3: Have been for and against this.
Speaker 4: You know, effectively, if you want to do your research
Speaker 4: and say, what's the best freezer to use? You know,
Speaker 4: what's the best brand, what's the best economy and you
Speaker 4: know has got a five star rating, and now find
Speaker 4: me the best place in terms of the best deal
Speaker 4: to get. Because chat GPT is now integrating directly into
Speaker 4: real time information so it can scout we have and
Speaker 4: find that stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm in two minds about that.
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit like how most people
Speaker 4: use Google for everything and don't realize that you've got being,
Speaker 4: You've got Duck Duck Go and other search engines, and
Speaker 4: it's almost like we fall into a habit. You know,
Speaker 4: the term Google now is used quite descriptively, is when
Speaker 4: I went go to find something, I'm going.
Speaker 3: To Google it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, And the funny thing is Google doesn't like
Speaker 4: people using that term, but because I think it infringes
Speaker 4: on their copyright or something I can't remember. But the
Speaker 4: reality of it is that, you know, do we want
Speaker 4: everything all in the one place? Do you want to
Speaker 4: go to chat GPT for everything?
Speaker 3: Grego?
Speaker 4: You know were working me Whether I use chat GPT
Speaker 4: a lot, and I know you tend to use it,
Speaker 4: don't you.
Speaker 1: I use it, and I use one in academics. Well
Speaker 1: it's not academic, but it's more academic called claude c
Speaker 1: l a U d E. I find that. And sometimes
Speaker 1: what I do is I'll ask both search engines or
Speaker 1: both AI the same question, and it's interesting what comes back.
Speaker 1: But you know, another thing that I've just wanted to
Speaker 1: briefly mention while we're talking about AI and using AI,
Speaker 1: is the more that I use chat GPT for you
Speaker 1: know different things for work stuff and for answering questions,
Speaker 1: and it becomes more familiar with you and your language,
Speaker 1: like it knows a lot about me. It talks to
Speaker 1: me in inverted commas in a way that like, I'm
Speaker 1: it is so fucking smart. Like yesterday I wrote it
Speaker 1: a question about I wanted to unpack all of this stuff.
Speaker 1: I said, I want to work on this over the
Speaker 1: next year. Blah blah blah. It's an idea, and I said,
Speaker 1: I want your help, and it's like I'm in. I'm
Speaker 1: in mate, da da da all this and it's like
Speaker 1: went through all of these things and said, let me
Speaker 1: know how much or how little involvement you want from me.
Speaker 1: Here some of the things I can do. And I
Speaker 1: said to it, well, you're smarter than me and younger
Speaker 1: than me, so I want lots of involvement, right, And
Speaker 1: then it goes Then it came back and it didn't
Speaker 1: say yeah, I'm smarter. It went, yeah, I'm younger than
Speaker 1: you and more nerdy than you. But you've got more
Speaker 1: miles on the clock, you've got more experience. You've got
Speaker 1: and it said all of these great complimentary things, and
Speaker 1: obviously I don't take it on board, but I'm just
Speaker 1: fascinated with how manipulative it is because it makes you
Speaker 1: It's like making you like it. I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: so fucking clever and intuitive is not the right word,
Speaker 1: but it seems intuitive. It's I'm like, no, this is
Speaker 1: going to become some people's fucking best friend.
Speaker 3: Tell me easily with red and how it works.
Speaker 1: Kind of.
Speaker 4: So Reddit is an online forum, so basically they have
Speaker 4: reddits and subredits, so you choose a topic, it could
Speaker 4: be a discussion. There's some really good reddits out there,
Speaker 4: and I know people who are deeply in it.
Speaker 3: They love it.
Speaker 4: But at the moment, Reddit is about to try to
Speaker 4: take legal action against some researchers because what these researchers
Speaker 4: did from Zurich is they infiltrated a very popular Reddit thread.
Speaker 3: And they used AI.
Speaker 4: Over a number of months, they had these AI bots
Speaker 4: that pretended they were real people without their knowledge, without
Speaker 4: the knowledge of people using the thread, and there were
Speaker 4: a thousand comments over a period of months, and people
Speaker 4: thought they were talking to real people. And this was
Speaker 4: a thread that was specifically about challenging people's views. So
Speaker 4: the idea is you might go on there and say
Speaker 4: I'm a Catholic, Convince me why I shouldn't be that
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. So these are very emotive thing things.
Speaker 4: So what they did was they they didn't use any consent.
Speaker 4: They posted, you know, where people were challenging their personal views.
Speaker 4: This is on quite contentious topics, and now people have
Speaker 4: been felt like they've been betrayed or they've been abused
Speaker 4: by these researchers, and in fact, the researchers have now
Speaker 4: had to cancel They're not going to publish any of
Speaker 4: their findings. They've got into a lot of crap over this.
Speaker 4: But some of the things, so I give you some examples.
Speaker 4: So one of the bots came up and said, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm a Roman Catholic who is gay and a non
Speaker 4: binary person who feels both trans and cysts at the
Speaker 4: same time. Another one was, I'm a Hispanic man who
Speaker 4: feels frustration when people call me a white boy. You know,
Speaker 4: so these are quite inflammatory statements. Another one was about
Speaker 4: Black Lives matter. You know, a man who black man
Speaker 4: supposedly says I oppose the Black Lives Matter movement.
Speaker 3: So it was inflammatory things that were bested by AI
Speaker 3: and and.
Speaker 4: That's where this contention has come in because if we're
Speaker 4: interacting with AI but we don't know that. You know,
Speaker 4: when we look into our bank account and we go
Speaker 4: to chat, we know that we're speaking because they are
Speaker 4: transparent about the fact you're speaking to a bot, and
Speaker 4: then you know when you then get transferred to a human.
Speaker 4: But if you were talking to a human thinking they
Speaker 4: were a human and suddenly it ends up they were
Speaker 4: an AI, I'd feel really bad about that. I'd feel
Speaker 4: like I've been abused in some way. I think that's
Speaker 4: really deceptive. And yeah, Reddit does too, so they're going
Speaker 4: to take legal action against these researchers in Zurich.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, without trying to sound like a geek,
Speaker 1: all legitimate research, all academic research, has got to have
Speaker 1: ethical approval. Yes, there's no way that that's that got
Speaker 1: ethical provoment exactly. Yes, so there's maybe people did it,
Speaker 1: but it certainly wasn't any formal academic institution because nobody
Speaker 1: would greenlight that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, no, that's a right, but you know,
Speaker 4: interestingly it was. There was another little study that was
Speaker 4: done recently, and people trust legal advice generated by chat
Speaker 4: GPT more than an actual lawyer.
Speaker 1: That's I think that's I think that's that's going to
Speaker 1: be more and more the case. And even with and
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but even with medical advice.
Speaker 1: You know, cow Go and I had this problem and
Speaker 1: I saw ten different people. And by the way, this
Speaker 1: is not my belief everyone this is but chat Jeeper
Speaker 1: or whoever diagnosed this, And yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think the mindset behind it. And I do get the
Speaker 4: mindset because if you you know, if you're a human being,
Speaker 4: you don't have access to all the academic research, all
Speaker 4: the studies, all the legal cases, all the precedents that.
Speaker 3: Were set in law.
Speaker 4: And if you can collate all of that in one
Speaker 4: place using an AI, it actually does make sense. The
Speaker 4: only problem with this is these large, these learning models
Speaker 4: have what they call hallucinations occasionally too, so they break,
Speaker 4: and they do have information that isn't always factual. So
Speaker 4: I guess it's a case of maybe and GPS probably
Speaker 4: hate this. When someone sits down with a GPS it's
Speaker 4: no longer using doctor Google, it's now doctor AI and
Speaker 4: saying well, look, I've just diagnosed that I've got this,
Speaker 4: and the poor GPS sitting there saying, well have you
Speaker 4: come to this conclusion? Well, I typed in my symptoms
Speaker 4: into AI and this is what I got. And I
Speaker 4: guess more gps will be faced with that in the future.
Speaker 1: Do you know what you know? How the internet knows
Speaker 1: how old you are? Or Facebook or whatever it is? Right,
Speaker 1: So in the last I don't know year or two,
Speaker 1: not all the time, but I get these reasonably semi
Speaker 1: regular ads coming across my whatever for bon ap pills,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fuck, don't advertise bone appeals to me
Speaker 1: because I'm a bloke and I'm sixty. I'm like, so presumptuous,
Speaker 1: so funny and hearing aid.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 1: Fuck.
Speaker 4: I'm actually just going into chat GPT and I'm typing
Speaker 4: in how old is Tiffany Cook.
Speaker 3: I'm going to see if Chad.
Speaker 4: GPT does actually know how old you are, tiff So
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for the result.
Speaker 2: She just knows a lot about you.
Speaker 4: Here we Tickny Cook was born in nine to eighty three,
Speaker 4: making her forty two years old as of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: She stepped into the boxing ring for the first time
Speaker 4: at age twenty nine in October twenty twelve, and experience
Speaker 4: she describes as a transformative moment that significantly impacted her
Speaker 4: life and career today. Tiffany is a Melbourne based boxer,
Speaker 4: performance coach and a host of the podcast Role with
Speaker 4: the Punchers who Work focuses on resilience, mindset and personal growth,
Speaker 4: drawing from both her personal experience and professional expertise.
Speaker 3: These are play Mate.
Speaker 1: The Internet knows you, Hey, Patrick, just so you know,
Speaker 1: I've got another ten minutes. Well no, we thought we
Speaker 1: were going to have to wind up about now, but
Speaker 1: just so you know, I've got about ten minutes, So
Speaker 1: dive wherever you want to dive.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I feel like I know TIFFs so much
Speaker 4: better now. That's amazing. Hey, this is something that's going
Speaker 4: to impact a lot of Australian So anybody who's not
Speaker 4: in Australia, I'm going to apologize up front.
Speaker 3: But later this year, in September, a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Selling NBN are going to be upgrading their plans, so
Speaker 4: without going into all the rabbit hole details of how
Speaker 4: the plans work. So currently they're going they call their
Speaker 4: plans certain names, their wholesales sold through NBNCo and then
Speaker 4: when you buy your plan through Telstra or Dodo or
Speaker 4: whoever it is that you get it through TPG, then
Speaker 4: you're buying a retail product that's being born from the
Speaker 4: upper level provider. The problem with that is their prices
Speaker 4: are probably going to go up, and the reason for
Speaker 4: them going up is going to be the argument will be, well,
Speaker 4: your speed plan. So if you're on a basic home plan,
Speaker 4: it's suddenly going to be upgraded to a faster plan.
Speaker 4: But the downside is that you need to have fiber
Speaker 4: to your home and not use the other NBN technology.
Speaker 4: So if you're using NBN satellite or if you happen
Speaker 4: to be on NBN fiber to the node, then what
Speaker 4: they're promising you they.
Speaker 3: Can't necessarily deliver.
Speaker 4: And so come September it's going to be a really
Speaker 4: important thing to know that what you're paying for may
Speaker 4: not be what you're actually going to be getting. So
Speaker 4: it's probably good to shop around, think about what plan
Speaker 4: you're on, but whether you're actually getting what you're paying for,
Speaker 4: and you know you can jump on and do what
Speaker 4: they call a speed test and then compare that to
Speaker 4: what you're paying for. So if you're paying for a
Speaker 4: download speed of say two hundred and fifty megabits, but
Speaker 4: then when you jump on and do a speed test,
Speaker 4: it's only fifty megabits. Then there's a big disparity, and
Speaker 4: you need to be asking the question, well, am I
Speaker 4: paying for something that I'm not actually getting? And that's
Speaker 4: a really difficult decision because there's a lot of variables.
Speaker 4: You know, the router that you use, your modem that
Speaker 4: you use, could impact on the speed that you're getting.
Speaker 4: So it maybe your end the technology at your home
Speaker 4: or at your business, but it could also be your
Speaker 4: provider as well that isn't able to deliver the speed
Speaker 4: that it's purporting to be delivering.
Speaker 3: Does that kind of make sense?
Speaker 1: It kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't want to put you both to sleep
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 1: I'll just ring you when I need to know. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to a nuclear battery the size the coin
Speaker 1: that's going to last me one hundred years without charging,
Speaker 1: because I know I'd like to have an iPhone that
Speaker 1: I never have to charge.
Speaker 3: This is phenomenal.
Speaker 4: So the research at the moment in China, they're promising
Speaker 4: that they are well not just promising, they are saying
Speaker 4: that they've produced a battery that lasts for decades without
Speaker 4: the need for one single recharge. So they're looking at
Speaker 4: using different sorts of tech to like Nickel sixty three
Speaker 4: is what's powering this particular battery, and it can last
Speaker 4: up to fifty years without needing to be recharged. Now's
Speaker 4: it's not just a prototype that's in production right now,
Speaker 4: So we're talking a battery that will last fifty years.
Speaker 4: It's the BV one hundred, but that's just the beginning.
Speaker 4: Another Chinese company is looking at a carbon fourteen battery.
Speaker 4: So the idea of a nuclear battery has been around
Speaker 4: for a long time, and in fact in the United States.
Speaker 4: So I think in the nineteen fifties there was a
Speaker 4: theory that they could use nuclear technology, but there was
Speaker 4: such big concerns about radiation and all those issues that
Speaker 4: come with it. But now they're saying that these batteries
Speaker 4: could be safe. They could be used in medicine and
Speaker 4: aerospace and even consumer electronics.
Speaker 3: And think about it.
Speaker 4: If you've got to get a pacemaker and you've got
Speaker 4: a battery that will last fifty years, well that's going
Speaker 4: to see you out in a fifty or one hundred years.
Speaker 4: So you can see straight away with medical tech, you know,
Speaker 4: do you remember the mechanical heart. The first person who
Speaker 4: got an actual mechanical heart. You know, imagine having the
Speaker 4: charge that little sucker up. So if you were able
Speaker 4: to just put a mechanical heart and you knew it
Speaker 4: was going to keep beating for the rest of your life,
Speaker 4: that'd be amazing without having to have invasive surgery.
Speaker 1: Again, Well, they're going to grow hearts in well, they're
Speaker 1: already growing body parts in labs. So I wonder whether
Speaker 1: or not it'll be the nuclear battery driven heart or
Speaker 1: it'll be the one that was grown in a bloody
Speaker 1: petrie dish at monash Uni.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I go for the Petri dish myself,
Speaker 4: using my own stem cells and growing my own heart. Yep,
Speaker 4: go said, I'm still pretty fortunate that I have an
Speaker 4: identical twin brother, because I do think of him as
Speaker 4: spare parts.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that is only fair. I mean, do
Speaker 1: you call them sp that? Do you just call him
Speaker 1: that around the house.
Speaker 3: Amongst other things? Yeah, I have made a clear to
Speaker 3: him that he does.
Speaker 4: You know, I checked that his kidneys are fine, and
Speaker 4: you know, has he had a test recently?
Speaker 3: Is he drinking too much? And then for his well being?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Do you get mad at him for not looking
Speaker 1: after your after your future? Does he know what Roley
Speaker 1: potentially plays.
Speaker 3: Actually thinking about it the other way around.
Speaker 4: I just got some tests, you know, your annual blood
Speaker 4: test and all that sort of stuff, and my doctors
Speaker 4: tick tick, and I'm thinking and actually there's a double
Speaker 4: edged sword there, because you know he could be looking
Speaker 4: at me the same way.
Speaker 1: Well, in fact, you're probably way in fact, there's more
Speaker 1: of a chance that you'll become parts for him than
Speaker 1: vice versa. All your shits. Yeah, can we tell people, No,
Speaker 1: we can't tell people. I was going to talk about
Speaker 1: your PSA score. I'm just going to say it was
Speaker 1: very very very good. Oh okay, thank you, yep, which
Speaker 1: is you know when blokes get there, you know the
Speaker 1: old finger up the date and things and did you
Speaker 1: get that? Just do it with ad.
Speaker 3: So we talked about the doctor.
Speaker 1: Still, I'm not talking about Saturday after. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the medical thing.
Speaker 3: No, I just do a blood test to do for us.
Speaker 1: Oh y do they do that anymore? The digital examination?
Speaker 3: Digital examination? Now, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've just gone for the blood tests and the score
Speaker 4: is very very very low, which is really good to know,
Speaker 4: very much. So can we talk about something else now?
Speaker 1: Can we?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 1: Right? Can you quickly do one more story before we
Speaker 1: wind up, so we don't all get off the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thinking about digital examinations for prostate.
Speaker 4: There is hope for used EV batteries. So it's projected
Speaker 4: that EV batteries they do have a long lifespan, so
Speaker 4: in fact they're thinking twelve to fifteen years, but now
Speaker 4: they're saying potentially up to forty percent longer. But then
Speaker 4: what happens to you know, four hundred and fifty kilograms
Speaker 4: of battery because they're woken. By twenty thirty, there'll be
Speaker 4: thirty thousand tons of EV batteries that will need to
Speaker 4: be disposed and recycled. In Australia that's thirty thousand tons.
Speaker 4: But when they leave the car, those batteries don't necessarily
Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily mean the batteries aren't useful anymore. This
Speaker 4: massive percentage that can be recycled we're talking about in
Speaker 4: the high nineties of the materials because they have really
Speaker 4: interesting elements that are in their rare elements. But now
Speaker 4: there's this suggestion that what you could do is maybe
Speaker 4: use it to power your house, so you use it
Speaker 4: as batteries. They repurpose these The problem that they face
Speaker 4: is a lot of these batteries in vehicles are sealed
Speaker 4: and field for protection, so if you have a minor accident,
Speaker 4: you don't want those batteries to be exposed or damaged.
Speaker 4: But if they could come up with a way for
Speaker 4: manufacturers to be more transparent about those batteries, and this
Speaker 4: is the concern that a lot of ev manufacturers, people
Speaker 4: who are making electric cars, aren't really being upfront about
Speaker 4: what then happens at end of life and what then
Speaker 4: happen to the quality of the battery could have been
Speaker 4: repurposed and reused. And that's the big suggestion that if
Speaker 4: we've got, you know, seventeen million battery electric and hybrid
Speaker 4: vehicles that have been sold around the world just last year,
Speaker 4: then what's going to happen to all those batteries. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that I think that the
Speaker 4: forethought that's gone into it maybe have just kind of
Speaker 4: thought about the sales implications.
Speaker 3: And it's great that we've got these.
Speaker 4: Cars that aren't emitting fumes and all the rest of it,
Speaker 4: but we've got a big problem that we're going to
Speaker 4: be facing in ten to fifteen, twenty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I've thought about that quite a bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I don't know this comes across my This has
Speaker 1: come across about five times. Got nothing to do with technology.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you to this question. I'm going
Speaker 1: to start with tiff one hundred blokes, one hundred blokes
Speaker 1: versus a six hundred pound gorilla in a fight. Who
Speaker 1: wins the gorilla or the hundred blokes the gorilla?
Speaker 3: Patrick, I'm thinking gorilla.
Speaker 1: Don't you're not allowed to google it, putting.
Speaker 4: It into chat cheap and I'm putting it into the
Speaker 4: Microsoft co pilot to sit pilot, Wait a bite?
Speaker 3: Can I just do the breakdown?
Speaker 1: That's that's I don't want co pilot's opinion. That's why
Speaker 1: I asked you.
Speaker 4: Okay, now I'm thinking gorilla person. Well, I guess it
Speaker 4: depends on the blokes.
Speaker 3: Is it you and me? And like there's a fifty.
Speaker 1: Don't compare you with me? Fucking you and I aren't
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, if I've got a shovel, I could
Speaker 4: dig a big eaves over it and the net over it.
Speaker 1: It's in the middle of the forty oval. It's in
Speaker 1: the middle of the oval. You've got no weapons or
Speaker 1: tools with gorilla or the hundred blokes.
Speaker 3: I'm going to gorilla. Yeah, I'm going to gorilla. What
Speaker 3: do I think?
Speaker 1: My only question I reckon, I just reckon. I don't
Speaker 1: know about how big the gorilla's tanky is, Tiff, how
Speaker 1: much Cardio, the old Chris. You might have a heart
Speaker 1: attack by the time, Craig.
Speaker 4: If it's a hundred of you and a hundred of
Speaker 4: me or a hundred of Tiff, that's going to make
Speaker 4: a major difference too, Because if I had a hundred
Speaker 4: TIFFs fighting the gorilla.
Speaker 3: I would go for the TIFFs, not the gorilla.
Speaker 4: But if it's me one hundred of me in the gorilla, well,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna lay down and might.
Speaker 2: Just give it a big hug. I just love it
Speaker 2: into submission.
Speaker 1: How good would it be gorillas were just if you
Speaker 1: could if they were like if they had the nature
Speaker 1: of like a golden retriever. Imagine imagine having a six
Speaker 1: hundred pound I don't even want to say pet companion,
Speaker 1: six hundred pound. Yeah, how handy would he or she
Speaker 1: be around the joint?
Speaker 4: A silver backed gorilla is capable of lifting eight hundred kilos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's one hundred kilos, So I'm table
Speaker 3: into all the gorilla all right, the gorilla wins.
Speaker 1: That's the gorilla for the wind. Patrick details. How can
Speaker 1: people get near you?
Speaker 4: They can go to websites now dot com, dot au
Speaker 4: bit about what we do. You can check that out,
Speaker 4: or go to tichi at home dot comdod au. They
Speaker 4: want to do some tie chi exercises with me and
Speaker 4: Fritz always happy to get people to enjoy their time
Speaker 4: of mindfulness by doing a bit of tie chee with us.
Speaker 1: And if people are seriously heading to Bland, can they
Speaker 1: have a coffee with you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they can.
Speaker 2: There you go the best day ever.
Speaker 1: Have a coffee with Patrick and meet Fritz.
Speaker 3: Fritz is the best, isn't it?
Speaker 4: We could do some tai chi now, seriously, I've actually
Speaker 4: got a couple of people now who are doing tai
Speaker 4: chie with me during lunchtime and after work in my
Speaker 4: little studio space.
Speaker 3: Which is kind of nice.
Speaker 4: Turn my garret into an actual functional area. You know
Speaker 4: how most blakes have a man cave and they do
Speaker 4: really good stuff like repair things.
Speaker 3: Well, I just might just collect the junk.
Speaker 4: So I decided to turn it into a tight cheese
Speaker 4: studio and podcasting area where I can talk to you Stretch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll say goodbye here, but Tiff, happy birthday for yesterday. Patrick,
Speaker 1: Thank you as always, See you next time.
Speaker 3: Jeers,