WEBVTT - Sharri | 1 July 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.119 First to night. We are in uncharted territory in this 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.720 country thanks to the Greens, who have proven themselves as 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:18.400 the most dangerous UnAustralian political party in our history, a 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.680 party that is tearing apart the very fibers of what 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.560 makes this country great. I'll explain more in a moment, 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.440 but first take a look at this disgraceful act of 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.959 vandalism in Canberra. Four war memorials near the Australian War 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:39.040 Memorial were vandalized yesterday. The pro Palestinian graffiti with slogans 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.920 such as from the River to the Sea was discovered 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.239 on the Korean War, Vietnam War, Australian Army monuments and 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.839 a wall between the memorials along Anzac Parade. Now, for 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.400 many of us, our loved ones fought in these walls 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.440 and other conflicts, so anyone with a moral conscience would 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.480 be horrified to see them defaced. And as we go 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.720 to air tonight, no arrests have been made. Now. Senator 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.559 Jackie Lamby put forward a motion to the Senate today 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.240 saying the Senate condemns the act of defacing war memorials 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.600 by pro Palestinian protesters, which is deeply insulting for current 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:21.399 and former members of the Australian Defense Force and undermines 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.480 the significance of these memorials as symbols of national pride 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:31.200 and remembrance. But that sense of national pride and remembrance 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:36.000 is lost on the Greens because the party refused to 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.679 support the motion. They argue there may be a place 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.920 in our society for this sort of activism because memorials 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.800 of any type, particularly war memorials, are not politically neutral places. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.080 You can agree with it, you can disagree with it, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:58.440 but it was inherently a political decision. Protest is a 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:03.600 political decision and one of the reasons why we cannot 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:09.080 support the motion brought by Senator Lambe today is that 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:18.600 it frames the act of protest by way of interacting 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.520 with a memorial or a commemorative space, as something that 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:28.080 is exclusive to those who support justice and freedom for Palestine. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:32.800 And that is not true. That is not true. 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.760 Does he even know what he's saying? The Greens have 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:41.800 absolutely truly lost the plot. Green Senator Jordan steel John 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.920 went on to say, if we are to believe that 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.640 the men and women of the ADF gave their lives 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.240 in wars and conflicts. To defend such freedoms, then you 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.959 have to engage with the reality that protesting, that painting 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.239 is a form of speech. Well, Jordan, graffiti and vandalism 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.160 are not a form of speech. They are criminal acts. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.680 Made even more despicable that it happened at our National 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.640 War Memorial. One hundred and three thousand brave men and 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.480 women lost their lives serving our nation. They deserve our 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:18.400 respect and to have them desecrated by antisemitic slogans is 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.240 the lowest of the low and that is the level 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.160 the Greens have reached. They have turned into the most 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.960 UnAustralian party in our history. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.440 It is extraordinary that any elected member of this place 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.520 would come in here and defend the defacing and the 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.400 desecration of these monuments. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.880 The Greens are whipping up an atmosphere of hate and 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.600 division all for vote. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:45.240 Where do you draw the line? And as someone who's 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.760 very proud husband to a member of the ADF, I 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.280 can assure you your comments are totally out of order, 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.160 are offensive. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.800 Now it's not the first time the Greens have shown 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.720 such contempt for our ADF. New South Wales Greens Counselor 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:06.520 Rafaela Pandolfini or a Palestinian cafiet to an Anzac Day 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.840 dawn service. This year, only the Greens would use our 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.720 diggers to score political points to try and win seats 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.560 from Labor, particularly those in the inner cities. And they 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.880 are using a conflict a world away from us to 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.240 do it. This party knows no bounds. Now, The Daily 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.279 Mail has obtained leak to audio of Green's leader Adam 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.880 Bant tearing into his own supporters in a speech to 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.520 the party's online national conference in June. Have a listen 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:35.880 to this. 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.600 I want you to think about what the narrative will 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.800 be if we don't win these seats. What Labor will 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.159 say is are well, we can get away with bombing 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.120 Gaza and opening up new coalon gas lines and it 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.919 doesn't matter because voters won't impact on us, and the 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.320 Greens can try as hard as they want and nothing 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.400 will happen. That will be the story that they tell. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.479 That will be the story they tell. It won't be true, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.479 but that's the story that they will tell. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.400 I mean they even willing to go so far as 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.600 to say Labor is bombing Gaza. What does that tell 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.719 you The Greens will do and say anything in the 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:12.360 pursuit of seats, including accepting the vandalism of our war Memorial, 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.080 which is not a place for the Greens extremism. The 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.880 only person they seem to be falling is Labour's now 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:23.000 suspended petulant child, Fatima Payman, who has been swept away 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.200 by the Greens surf desolee. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.240 From the river to the sea. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.880 Palestine will be free in. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.760 A secular society. The War Memorial is one of the 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.120 few things we all agree is sacred. The fact that 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.400 being defaced didn't bother them should send warning signals about 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:45.160 the dangerous pathway this party is on, hell bent on division. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.320 And so if they are so comfortable with the memorial 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.760 being attacked, why don't the Greens go over to the 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.239 Middle East for themselves. Go on, go fight the war 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.640 that they are trying to import into our own backyard. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.440 Go put yourselves on the line, like our servicemen and 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.040 women have done and continue to do so. Go see 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.040 what it is like to face fears that nobody should 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.520 ever have to go over and be faced with death. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.279 But there certainly won't be any monuments or memorials erected 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:23.200 for your so called courage back home now, As if 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.599 we needed more proof of how much we need a 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.400 Royal Commission into Australia's handling of the COVID pandemic to 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.320 hear from the pandemic premiers who inflicted so much misery 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.560 and pain. How many of them have now left politics, 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.360 so you'd think they would have had time to reflect 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.279 on the decisions and what could and should have been 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.400 done better. But it seems that reflection has been lost 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:52.200 on former Queensland Premier Anastagia Palichet. She sat down for 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:57.039 what has been described as a candid interview about the pandemic, 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.960 but it was about as candid as the people living 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:03.040 in New South Wales. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:04.760 They have New South Wales hospitals. 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:09.760 In Queensland, we have Queensland hospitals for our people. Oh 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.680 just never gets old, does it? Who could forget that now? 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.480 When asked in the interview on the Seven network last 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.640 night about whether she regrets her decisions to keep dying 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.960 loved ones apart because of the harsh Queensland border restrictions, 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:25.400 while she offered up. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.160 This, I still stand by what we did to keep 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.360 Queensland safe and the end result was we only had 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:37.600 tragically seven deaths during that whole period of that two 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.680 years before we opened up our borders. So I think 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.280 the results show that it did work. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.320 It did work, she said. She stands by it. She 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.480 stands by loved ones being locked out by border restrictions 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.280 and having to say goodbye on FaceTime. It doesn't matter 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.640 to her. The stress of being denied exceptions, having to 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.080 apply for an exemption in the first place. I mean 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:03.480 it was utter madness. And well, she stands by it. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.680 And she was then asked in that interview what lessons 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.840 Australia learned from the pandemic. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.600 We found out that we needed to manufacture more here. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.400 We needed to have the ability to produce vaccines here 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.480 when we didn't have PPE. We just didn't have we 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.400 didn't have the masks and everything else that was needed. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.520 So we actually have domestic manufacturing. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.320 Vaccines and PPE vaccines and PPE that we needed more. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:37.120 That is what she learned from years of hell. Never mind, 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.480 the Queensland Supreme Court found earlier this year that vaccine 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.719 mandates for police and ambulance workers were unlawful under the 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.560 Human Rights Act. So you would really think that the 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:52.160 former Queensland Premier would have said, well, actually, upon reflection, 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.199 maybe we should not have been so quick to impose 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:01.360 vaccine mandates and considered human rights. And then one last insult. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.439 Not everything was right, not everything was perfect, but we 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:06.120 got through it. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.880 Yeah, well, Anastasia Palichet did get through it on a 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.160 four hundred and twenty thousand dollars salary and now working 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.679 a cushy job with the Smart Energy Council. Meanwhile, other 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.400 people who lost their jobs because they refused her vaccine 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.680 mandate have had their lives destroyed, their finances turned upside down, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:29.480 and their job prospects ruined. It is astonishing that years 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:34.240 later there is zero sympathy from this robotic pandemic premiere. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.480 It's a further insult to those who lost loved ones, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.320 whose businesses went broke, whose children were robbed of key 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.959 educational years. The list goes on. And for the former 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.600 Queensland premier to say, really, I don't know, I can't 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.280 really think of anything that we could have done better 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.200 or other than vaccines and PPE is a double blow. 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.240 And it's even a bigger blow that the ab and 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.559 Easy government's COVID cop out inquiry won't examine decisions by 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.360 the States because former COVID premiers like Palichet and Dan 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.560 Andrews and the chief health officers would get minced in 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.160 front of a royal commission. I mean, wouldn't you love 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.680 to see this scrutinized. My advice to you is to 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.200 duck and just do not touch that ball. And that's 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.120 what they are scared of. The truth was already confirmed 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.120 by former Federal Health Minister Greg Huntu as minister during 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.160 the pandemic. He has made a scathing submission to Labour's inquiry, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.800 hitting out at states and territories over unilateral health decisions 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.880 taken during the pandemic that work. Who'd you believe not 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:46.480 backed by medical advice? No wonder Labour don't want a 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.720 royal commission. It's clearer than ever why we need one. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.559 Otherwise nothing will change, History will repeat itself and all 0:10:54.559 --> 0:11:02.679 we will care about is more vaccines and PPE. Also 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.600 on the show tonight, we'll have more to say on 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:08.760 Fatima Payman's indefinite suspension from the Labor Caucus after a 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.400 weak display of leadership from the Prime Minister, plus why 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.480 the latest polls spell bad news for both major parties. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.960 I'll be joined by a Labor insider to break down 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.600 the figures and the Democrats are in damage control after 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.319 the president's train wreck debate. Performance will have the latest 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.520 from the US. But now let's bring in today's panel. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.280 Joining US is Sky News host Liz Storer and Sky 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.200 News contributor Joe Hildebrand. Hi to you both. 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.840 Tonight, great editorials. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:43.280 Let's start with the Greens. Okay, a different bizarre trajectory here. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:48.480 They wouldn't even support this motion contests the vandalism of 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.640 the Australian War memorial. I mean, this is one of 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.600 the things that are sacred. Could they get any more extreme? 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.440 This is the thing that shows you how absolutely extreme 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.960 they are. They are an extremist party. Anyone who supports 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:04.240 vandalizer war memorials, vandalizing the memorials to people who gave 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.440 their lives in service of this country is clearly just 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.240 off the reservation and there's something wrong with them on 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.559 a very basic human level as well. I mean, how 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.880 would the Greens feel if their gravestones were vandalized by 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.080 One Nation supporters because they didn't like the cause that 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.360 the Greens represent. I mean, that is exactly what they're 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.520 talking about here, and they think, oh, they're not graves 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.720 or their memorials, because the bodies are probably still overseas 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.480 and in many cases will never have been found. And again, 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.920 think about the impact that that has on the family 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.240 of these people. These memorials are often all they actually 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.600 have to remember their loved ones by. They're a symbol 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.440 of what their loved ones did. And to have them 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:45.439 not just defaced by extremists, but then backed by a 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.079 party that is actually in the Parliament, that claims to 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.040 be representative of segments of the Australian public, hopefully this 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.240 is the thing that pulls back the rug on just 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.160 how psychotic these people are. It is the same logic. 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.640 It's not quite as extreme, obviously, but it's the same 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.680 logic that terrorists have, which is that someone I don't 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.319 like did something to someone else over there, Therefore I'm 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.400 going to do something to another third party over here. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.240 The US invaded Iraq, I don't like that, so I'm 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.360 going to go kill a random American. This is what 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.719 they're saying saying. They're saying, we don't like an Australian 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.040 government policy today, which in fact has no bearing on 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.199 what's happening in Gaza anyway, So we're going to randomly 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:28.280 attack and then justify and promote and support the attack 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.160 of the war dead. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.439 It is so cooked, it is so cooked. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:33.640 For there's something broken. 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.400 Greens have become the most UnAustralian political party in our history. Liz, 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.200 what does it say about the trajectory that this group's on. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.360 Well, I don't know that even things like this really 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.480 put off their own voters. I mean, obviously there's no sky, 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:51.280 there's no Greens voters watching sky. Stop voting for people 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.360 that hate you, that hate our country, and who have 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.679 proven time and time again that they will stop at 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.960 nothing to support the people who are Supper Palestine. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:01.440 Period. 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.080 They've attended their rallies, they've taken the mic at a 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.320 few of them. This has got to be the lowest 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.240 of the low blow yet, but they've shown it is 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.640 not beneath them. And I don't think many people at 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.080 this point in the game are surprised because it is 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.840 the Greens, and so I think they would be more 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.480 shocked if the Greens were to join them in the 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.960 rest and say, yeah, we absolutely condemned this. This is 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:28.680 a red line here. We've been overtly pro Palestinian, but 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.640 we say to these people, please please don't go around 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.440 defacing war memorials in the name of something that has 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.120 actually nothing to do with and that inference, like you 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.800 said that labor's the one dropping bombs often, I believe 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.360 it's discussed one of the first people in line to 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.880 bash this Labor government. But that is worse than insulting 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.200 like that is live l That is defamation, That is 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.000 telling people and you'd probably have to be a whack 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.000 job to be voting for the Greens in the first place, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.080 so they may well believe you. When Green's leaders stand 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.680 up and infer that our government is playing a front 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.240 seat role in what is happening in the Middle East 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.160 right now, it is utter nonsense. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.840 It's lies. No, you're totally right in those comments were 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.360 just absolutely appalling. But you know, where do you draw 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.320 a line in the sand when it comes to the. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.800 Green Hopefully, hopefully it's exposed them and again some much 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.040 for just ask them hope So would they support right 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:31.000 wing activists vandalizing the graves and memorials of their own 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.720 MPs when they fall off this mortal coil? Or are 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.840 the left wing icons that they support if they support 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.640 someone like you know, One Nation or whatever going out 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.600 there and getting out the old spray paint and saying, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.320 you know you horrible comment. 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.200 Would they'd be like, oh, freedom of speech? 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:48.560 Is that? 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.760 Is that a conversation with these public spaces. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.640 Hypocrisy time and again when they come out batting for 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.880 all pro women everything, and then a conservative woman in the. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.960 Liberal Party absolutely bad, absolutely flints of the world. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:04.880 You're a peek out of them all of a sudden, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:06.640 they're not for women at all, even though. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.160 The abuse Laura is very obvious. All right, look, let's 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.720 move on. Because in Battle nine, CEO Mike Sneezebee zipped 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.640 off on a family holiday to grease just hours after 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.080 slashing staff by four percent, many of whom are claiming 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.400 to have been blindsided on by his company wide email 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.920 that outlined the loss of two hundred jobs. Liza, a 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.440 good or a bad time? Do you think to be overseas? 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.160 I think good if your sneeze beee. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:30.040 Look, I wouldn't be. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.000 Surprised if this guy has woken up to the fact 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.800 that his days are numbered. If it's not the Darren 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.960 Wick saga, if it's not the Tim Costello saga. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.000 Now they've got this to deal. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.120 With and a hell of a lot of disgrundled staff 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.320 being like, excuse me, nobody even warned us about this. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:49.320 Of course nine simply said, look, staff cuts gotta cut costs, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.920 and I'm sure everyone can relate to that in this environment. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.680 They're obviously not their only network to do this, not 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:56.960 recently as well. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.920 And so yeah, I guess he's. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.680 Just like I can't hack the heat and the kitchen. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.040 I'm going to clear out for this little bit while 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:05.160 the dust settles. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.200 It's an interesting time for Australian media in general. Would 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.280 you say interesting in the sense of the tumultuous across 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:13.560 the board, But what do you think of. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.680 Mike sneezees interesting in the sense of the old Chinese curse? 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.040 May you live an interesting time? 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:20.320 It's awful. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.919 Everyone I know in the media has been really rocked 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.919 by the extent and the savagery of the cuts that's 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:30.280 happening across all these organizations, including News nine seven, all 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.520 of them. I believe from memory that Sneeze we actually 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.480 canceled some leave to come back and deal with we 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.880 did the crisis in the first place. I assume he's 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.480 making up for that. And again, I have never subscribed 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.159 to the you know you have to work twenty four 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.359 to seven, you know, fifty two weeks a year. Otherwise 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.679 I hate you because you're rich or whatever. Having said that, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.439 it'd be very interesting to go back and look at 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:58.600 some of nine's coverage of Scott Morrison's holidays during I'm 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:03.160 more literally inferno than be interesting to say if if 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.720 nine were equally kind to that overseas joint as, no 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.800 doubt they will be to my says, but I think 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.720 you know so soon after. I mean, you know, the 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:12.680 ink is barely dry. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:18.399 It's not really bad. Now, look, I want to get 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.960 to this because thousands of trivial calls to New South 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.000 Wales ambulance paramedics are putting a huge strain on the 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.760 service now. The Daily Telegraph reports this is just bizarre. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:33.240 There's been more than five hundred calls for constipation, toothaches, earaches, boils, 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.200 people who can't sleep, even hiccups. Liz, what on earth 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.480 is going on here? Seriously stop using ambulance services for 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:42.720 trivial matters. Yeah? 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.520 Absolutely, but also what the hell is going on in 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.439 the call center? If I'm working for trivial zero and 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.600 you get through to me and you say and this 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.239 was also mentioned in the article there's a pimple on 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.399 my back that I can't reach, So I'm calling an ambulance. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:57.680 Surely you go. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.600 We don't send them for constipation. We don't send them 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.679 for a pimple on your back you can't reach. Like 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.840 obviously it's a systemic breakdown here where it's a problem 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.680 that could be easily fixed. Also, second and last point 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.320 is there's certain people with certain permits that mean they 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.320 don't pay for the pension. Is one of them, yes? 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.240 Or a Commonwealth Health card you don't pay for ambos? 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.160 And so one wonders, even though there's not a breakdown 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.920 of the demographic, who are obviously the guilty party making 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:29.800 all these ridiculous calls and. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:30.879 Tying up the services. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.400 One wonders, are they people who are holders of one 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.760 of these permits? Therefore they're abusing the system because they know, 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:38.720 well for me, they. 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.280 Can get away with it. They can get away with it. 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.760 Problem are like that they're ald and vulnerable, and they're 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:45.359 scared and they don't have anyone else to call. And 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.160 I think the operator would probably feel if this person 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.240 keeps insisting despite me recommend. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.199 Mere vulnerable, you know. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:52.520 What I'm going to do. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.679 I'm going to start driving an Uber and get a 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.360 giant bulk box of mover. 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:05.119 Call you know, Madam. 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:07.919 Nobody has to know, Madam. 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.800 Five hundred callouts Joe for constivation. There you go. How 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.679 did we get to this topic? Joe Hilda Bradley's story. 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:18.480 Good to have you both on. Thank you so much 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.880 for joining me. We'll stay with us coming up after 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.639 the break. Support slips for both major parties as the 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.679 cost of living crisis looms large plus Stage three tax cuts, 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.399 minimum wage increases, and energy bill rebates. What all the 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.520 changes being introduced to mark the new financial year mean 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:42.920 for you? That's next, Welcome back. Well. News poll results 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.200 show support for both the Coalition and Labor has fallen 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.159 following a bitter row over energy wars. Alban Easy and 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.000 Dutton have returned to near record levels of dissatisfaction with 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.440 voters for this term. On a two party preferred basis, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.840 Labor gained ground over the Coalition fifth one to forty 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.959 nine compared to the fifty to fifty recorded in the 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:08.160 previous News poll three weeks ago. However, the contest over 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:12.080 the better Prime Minister remained unchanged at forty six percent 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.520 to thirty eight percent in Anthony Albanesi's favor, the tightest 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.000 margin between the two leaders since the last federal election. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.840 To tackle this and more, let's bring in GXO Strategies 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.840 director Cameron Milner Karen greg to see you, thanks for 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.240 joining us. Look, this was supposed to be a huge 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.640 day for labor. Their tax cuts, their energy rebates came 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.639 into force. We've got this news poll. What do you 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:36.680 make of the results? 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.600 Well, Newspole shouldn't be any great surprise because the cost 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:43.639 of living is the number one issue, number two and 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.159 number three issue for voters out there, and the last 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.600 week voters haven't heard either those things mentioned by the leaders. 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.199 Peter Dutton was bold with nuclear energy, but that was 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.679 a distraction from cost of living and the Prime Minister. 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.120 The prime ministers stood there being emasculated by a Muslim 0:21:58.160 --> 0:21:59.440 senator from the backbench. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:01.880 He was humiliated in terms. 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.800 Of her crossing the floor on the vote last week 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:05.720 and decided to reprimand her then sanction it. 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:07.120 Then ask a dot to come to a meeting. 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.159 I mean, the Prime Minister is so totally distracted from 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.760 the number one issue it cost a living in voter's eyes, 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:17.120 because while senator payment and the Greens become political bedfellows 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:18.240 over Palestine. 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:19.879 The Primis are saying that what she could all go 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:21.640 past him. It's appalling. 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.360 So people don't reward people who don't look after number 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.560 one issue. Number one issue is cost of living. Peter 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:28.919 Dutton was distracted on nuclear energy and the Prime Minister 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:33.320 was just weak and totally distracted. That's why neither party 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:34.919 got rewarded by voter As a newspop. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.159 Yeah, that's actually a really good point, and I do 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.520 want to ask you about Fatima payment. But just in 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.760 terms of this poll, what does it suggest in terms 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.200 of the energy wars that we've particularly seen in the 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:49.160 last two weeks since the Coalition announced its nuclear policy. 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.240 Well, the problem with the nuclear policy is it's probably 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.240 the right policy and the right debate for Australia to have. 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.359 We should actually discuss how we provide energy through to 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.680 twenty fifty fifty, so far away. People are worried about 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.160 next week and next month's power bills and what's happening 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.200 to their cost of living. So it's too far dated 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.240 for people to be concerned about the problem right here 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:11.240 right now, especially when news last week was that we 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.720 might not have any interest rate relief for another year, 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.160 and in fact interest rates might go up under Albanie 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.760 because he's flooded the economy with cash, flooded the economy 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.160 of cash, and. 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.800 If RBA raises rates, Albow will be out. 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:29.040 I spoke earlier Cameron about just how extreme and dangerous 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.159 the Greens as a party have become. But according to 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.639 this News poll they're bot lifted two points to thirteen percent. 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.159 That's actually the highest level of support since the election. 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:43.600 I'm really confused by this. Why are people looking at 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.879 the Greens, Why are they polling so well? 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:48.240 Well? 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:50.879 Unfortunately, and we're seeing it out there in Australia. There 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:52.639 are an awful lot of anti Semitic people. There are 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.840 awful lot of jew haters, and the Greens are their 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:55.639 party of choice. 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:55.920 Now. 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.280 The Greens are out there defending the actions of people 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:02.000 who graffiti the war memorial, who have violent rallies at 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:06.080 the Opera House and call call for genocide. This is 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:08.560 a disgusting part of Australian history in terms of where 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.560 their Prime Minister Australia is not standing up for the 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.439 Jewish community. He goes to Jewish fundraisers, he's happy to 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.200 take their money, just not stand up for them when 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.720 it really counts. But the Greens are harnessing and harboring 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:23.200 Jew haters and Andti Semites, and that's what's driving their vote. 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.120 People who hate Jews are driving the Greens vote. 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.119 Well, I just think it's a concern Cameron, when you 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:33.240 think about the prospect of a minority government with Anthony 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.000 Albanesi as the Prime Minister and then the de facto 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:40.040 Prime Minister as Adam Band. I mean, that's a disaster 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:44.000 for this country absolutely. 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.639 And a band is an extremist and has extreme views 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:49.960 and has already been holding the Labor government to ransom. 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.560 As we have two seats in the Lower House. Goodness 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.159 knows what they would look like if he actually had 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.399 the driver's seat of not only of the Senate but 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.639 also the Lower House. And that's what voters have got 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.560 to be conscious of when it comes to next election 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:01.760 and how they vote. 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.080 Now, Cameron, before we let you go, let's talk about 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:09.800 Fatima Payman. Anthony Albinizi is resisting taking further action against 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.040 the rogue senator. He's really been a wilted lettuce leaf 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.520 on this issue from the start. Now she claimed this 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.920 afternoon that she's been exiled, Why won't he just expel her? 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.240 He should, He should sack he or she should resign. 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.880 If he was any stronger as a human being, he'd 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.560 actually called for that to happen. But no, instead we're 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:32.440 dealing with week albow, week albow and Israel, week alba 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.480 in Palestine, Week albow in China, and week alapo on. 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:40.560 A minor minority back bench Muslim senator from West Australia 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:43.800 who has already called Israel out for genocide, which was disgusting. 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.800 She should have gone for that anyway, has now crossed 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:47.320 the floor and said she'll do it again. 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:47.960 Now. 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.080 She shouldn't just be exiled, she should be expelled. 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.240 I just wonder if they're both playing games against each 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.639 other waiting for one or the other to make the 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.560 first move to expel her, or will she walk? I 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.000 mean it's just like Denise. 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.560 Yeah, Denika, if you're the Prime Minister of Australia, you 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.440 take action, if you're strongly, you take strong action, and 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:07.600 elbow is neither. 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.320 Your spot on. Cameron Milner, I completely agree with you, Caaren. 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.160 We have to leave it there. Thank you so much 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.960 for joining us on the show. This evening. Appreciate it well. 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.479 Today mark's the end of the financial year and the 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:22.080 start of labor so called cost of living relief with 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:25.199 tax through Stage three tax cuts as the centerpiece. You know, 0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:28.920 the ones Labor promised that they wouldn't change then did. Now, 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:32.000 whatever the change, it won't go far in this climate. 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.639 New data actually shows the number of New South Wales 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.560 households forced onto hardship plans because they can't pay their 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:42.399 energy bills has risen by ninety seven percent since the 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.320 last federal election. That's the highest of any state. Meanwhile, 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.520 inflation is now four percent, and that is even before 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:53.479 these state and federal stimulus measures have come into force. Now, 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.800 Labor has consistently assured us that their policy is air 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.960 tight and will not drive inflation. Not the gym chart 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:01.680 is doing much to reassure us. 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.840 Well, we are confident, but not complacent about inflation in 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:06.560 our economy. 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:11.240 Let's bring in Judo Bank chief Economic Advisor, Warren Hogan. Now, Warren, 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.320 thank you so much for joining us on the show 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.320 this evening. We got these Stage three tax cuts today, 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.360 long awaited. Is this the right time do you think 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.919 to be providing families with income tax cuts. 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.960 Well, thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, I 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.560 think there's no better time to be getting tax cuts. 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.840 And the reason I say that is not just because 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.360 of how tough people are doing it out there, but 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:36.160 our income tax take has got back to record levels, 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.520 back to the levels we saw in the year two 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.600 thousand when the GST was introduced. Now the GST ten 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.159 percent was brought in. The trade off was that we 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.119 got a big tax cut, much bigger than anything we 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.480 got today. But of course the taxes have crept back up, 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.239 particularly in the last few years on bracket creep, and 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.920 we've now just got this really high personal income tax 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.679 burden again. So I'm very in favor of tax cuts 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.679 for that reason. The question is time, you know, is 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:04.440 this the right time? And of course it's not, because 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:06.760 we are trying to get this inflation down, we're trying 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.240 to get rid of this cost of living crisis, and 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.760 we're right on a knife edge. The economy has slowed, 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.600 for sure, but we're still creating jobs. They're still demanding 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.320 the economy, and this will add to that demand and 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.640 will potentially make the RBA's job harder. They're very resistant 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:25.439 to raising interest rates and if they keep resisting and 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.080 then we end up with much worse inflation. Not only 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.760 is that making the cost of living crisis worse, but 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:32.360 rates might have to go up a lot more next 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.240 to year. So it's not great timing. I think when 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.159 the government was going through all of this earlier in 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.120 the year, the economy looked on track, but right now 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.360 it's sexually looking like it's quite risky. 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.320 For them, which is a huge concern, and the government 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.360 is adding cost of living measures of course, on top 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.320 of these tax cuts. Isn't that making it worse? 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:49.600 I think it is. 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:51.360 And I think again at the beginning of the year, 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:53.120 when the budget was all framed up and they came 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.160 to the decisions around the cost of living measures, I 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:57.680 think they thought the economy was going to be a 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.720 lot weaker than it's turned out to be. Things shifted 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.320 a lot between basically February and the budget in May. 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.240 That is, we've got a lot more employment growth than 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.240 we thought we were going to get. We've since known 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.360 that the inflation has been stickier, higher and not looking 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.520 like it's going down. So I just it was a 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:14.600 risky strategy, I think in the first place, because there 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:16.920 was no done deal that this economy was really weak 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.600 and falling into a hole, and that that support was needed. 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:21.600 But now it looks like it's sort of a little 0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:23.960 bit dangerous from an inflation point of view. Look, it's 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.560 important that people get this support because it's horrendous what's 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.160 happened in the last three years. People's standard of living 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.400 has gone backwards big time. But the priority has got 0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.560 to be to get rid of the inflation. And I 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.680 think this and the States, I mean, the States really 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.560 shouldn't be playing in this play playground with providing cost 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:45.120 of living measures, but they have, particularly in Queens Lanes exactly. 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.840 And yeah, look, it all remains to be seen. But 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.640 if later in the year we've got an economy that's 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.520 stubbornly sort of not getting rid of this inflation, or 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.560 if inflation's picking up again, it'll be a disaster. Let's 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.200 hope that's not the way it plays out. There's a 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.360 lot of uncertain around this, but yeah, it's a risky 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:03.160 policy strategy. 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.360 So why is the government doing this? I mean, isn't 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.200 it making it just so likely that the RBA will 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.960 indeed rates in the near term. 0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.560 Look, I think, as I said, I think they thought 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:14.920 it wasn't. I think they thought it was politically smart 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.080 to have an election and the economy would be soft, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:18.760 and that everything was on track. And it sort of 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:22.120 looked like that January, February, even early March. But things 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.440 have changed. But look, we may end up getting some 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.480 rate hikes, and I think most political analysts would say 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:32.760 that's bad news for the government. For Elbow, that remains 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.960 to be seen. But we have to get rid of 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.320 the inflation, that's the cost of living crisis, and it 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.080 looks like these interest rates are not high enough to 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:41.440 do that. 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:43.320 So when can we give it. When do you think 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:44.040 in the next. 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:45.880 Well, I think August. If they're not going to go 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.520 in August, then maybe it's another six months away, or 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:51.320 maybe we get out of this without a rate hike. 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.120 I mean, it's no done deal, but August is certainly 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.760 the absolute focus. Now we're four weeks away, and it's 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:58.680 the quarterly inflation number at the end of this month 0:30:58.720 --> 0:30:59.760 that'll determine that. 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.200 All eyes on August then, But in the meantime, it's 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.200 tough out there still. Warren Hogan, good to speak with 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:05.920 you as always. Thank you so much for joining us 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.760 on the show this evening. We're coming up after the break. 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.840 Sam Moston sworn in as one of Australia's soon to 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:19.720 be highest paid governor generals. That's next. Welcome back, well, 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:24.080 Anthony Albanezie's wilted lettuce leaf response to rogue. Fatima Payman 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.960 appears to have emboldened the Senator after crossing the floor 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.160 last week and then threatening again yesterday to do so. 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:35.440 Albow finally suspended her, but haven't listened to his bizarre 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:36.600 commentary this morning. 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.120 No individual is bigger than the team. Fatim of Payman 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:47.960 is welcome to return to participating in the team if 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:49.560 she excepts she's a member of it. 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:54.120 Well, let's bring in a headline Advisory director Andrew Carswell 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.040 and sky Ney's host James McPherson. High for both of you. 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.560 Thank you so much for joining us this evening, Andrew. Afternoon, 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:04.720 Fatima Payment declared that she's been exiled and will abstain 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.240 from all votes this week in the Senate. Is she 0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.920 running rings around the Prime Minister? Do you think? 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:12.240 Well? 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:16.680 I think this episode highlights once again the weakness of 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.880 Anthony Alberanesi's leadership and his poor judgment. No matter what 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:24.280 you think of Senator payment's views on Palestine. 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:25.480 No matter what you think of. 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:30.920 Labour's frankly outdated policy when it comes to party solidarity 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:35.680 in their caucus, this reflects poorly on Anthony Alberzi and 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.040 his failure to act quickly on what is a very 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:42.720 clear rule within the party. Now, if this was a 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:47.400 fifty year old male, white male from Tasmania or the 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.240 outer suburbs of Melbourne, they would have been gone out 0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.400 of the party before they had a chance to return 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.920 to their seat on that side of the House. But 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:59.880 this is a young female Muslim making a stand for Palestine. 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.560 We know Anthony Aberezi goes weak at the knees on 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.560 this issue, so it's a poor reflection on him. And 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:10.080 there's also there's part of the blame and responsibility on 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.840 senator payments shoulders here as well. She had every opportunity 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.200 to raise these issues in caucus, every opportunity to take 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.000 the microphone and make a stand on this issue, but 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.560 she didn't. So was this all a stunt? 0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:25.640 It absolutely was a stunt, There's no doubt about it. 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:29.600 And James, why won't the Prime Minister just expel her 0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:31.680 or why won't she just defect to the Cross bend. 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.800 Are they playing each other off here? 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.920 Look on this issue, Anthony Alberanzi is making Joe Biden 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.400 look sharp as attack. Oh dear Alberanzi should have done 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:44.400 this immediately when she first defied him. But typical of 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.720 Anthony Alberanzi, he's late to the party and then when 0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:50.239 he gets there he's still not quite sure what to do. 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.240 Even today, he's blaming her not for crossing the floor 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.680 on the issue of Palestine, but for distracting from the 0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:01.040 focus on tax cuts. As was said, reasons why he's 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:04.480 not expelling her, she's a young person, she's a young woman, 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.280 she's a young female Muslim. So for those reasons, Anthony 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.920 Albinizi is treading very carefully because they are very aware 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.239 of the Muslim vote in Western Sydney and this is 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.800 a hot issue as to why Senator Payman won't defect 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.359 to the cross benches. Do you think she's crazy. There's 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.879 no way she's going anywhere. She's got national attention right 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.120 now for her sole issue that she wants to focus 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.200 on events in Gaza. She's not going anywhere. She will 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:34.080 milk this for all its worth. She's absolutely playing Albansi 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:35.000 on a break. 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:36.920 And he's looking weaker and weaker each day. But I 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.640 do agree. I think Western Sydney is playing a very 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.320 big part in what we have seen over the last week. 0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.319 Let's move on, because Sam Mouston has been sworn in 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:48.239 today as Australia's twenty eighth Governor General. Now Here she 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.480 was outlining her vision for the new role. 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.600 I will be an optimistic, modern and visible Governor General, 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:58.920 committed to the service and contribution that all Australians expect 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.319 and deserve from the hold of this office. 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.319 Well, you'd be pretty optimistic, wouldn't you if you'd just 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:06.879 got a two hundred thousand dollars pay rise. I mean, 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.319 currently the Governor General receives an annual salary of four 0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.239 hundred and ninety five thousand, but as you can see 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.560 there on your screen, it's going to go right up 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:20.160 to seven hundred and nine thousand under a new proposal. Andrew, look, 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.399 what do you make of this appointment and this rather 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.040 tone deaf pay rise. 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.359 Well, I think Sam's a great choice for GG and 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.560 I think she proved that today. I think she got 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.480 off to an incredibly strong start. She was full of grace, 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.600 full of passion, full of power and full of empathy. 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.200 Today it was a shame that this first day and 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.160 the lead up to this day has been overshadowed by 0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.920 a very poor decision from the Albanezi government to lift 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.560 the rate of pay for the Governor General to an 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.400 extraordinary level in the middle of a cost of living crisis. 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.000 I mean, it is such poor judgment and that has 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:58.839 nothing to do with Sam. It's all to do with 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.759 Anthony Albanesi. I mean, this role is not one where 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.759 you can come and feather your nest. It is a 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.879 chance to give back to the Australia that has done 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.000 well by you. That is the opportunity afforded to the 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.200 Governor General. It's not about pay, and Anthony Aveneze should 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:18.040 know better to expect that SAM would demand any rate 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.640 of pay to this level. This has nothing to do 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.680 with Sam and all to do with Anthony Avenez's poor choice. 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:27.359 That's the thing. I mean, it's completely overshadowed the appointment 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.600 and the announcement of the new Governor General. But you know, James, 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.840 we've got labor out there July one, congratulating everyone, and 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:35.560 you're going to get your tax cut. You'll get your 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.040 extra pudnet of strawberries when you go to the grocery store, 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:41.360 But is the only one laughing all the way to 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:42.920 the bank the governor General. 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.200 Yeah, well, I mean, we're all optimistic today, but some 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.200 of us are far more optimistic than others. I mean, 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:51.280 I'll tell you what her speech, I was a little 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:53.040 concerned when she talked about she's going to be a 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.520 modern and visible governor general. I immediately think, what does 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.240 that even mean? And then she talked about the fact 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:03.520 of youman's issues, the importance of sexual and gender diversity. 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.600 She talked about the problems with social media. It starts 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.240 to sound a little bit like an activist governor general, 0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.719 which you know, really her role is to fulfill the 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:16.799 duties of the constitution, Cut Ribbons. No one wants her 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.319 to be speaking about all of these social issues. She 0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:24.160 also interestingly mentioned she wants to make a stand on inequality. Well, 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.439 it's a bit rich to talk about inequality when you're 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.759 taking a two hundred thousand dollar good pay rise. If 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.239 you want to make a statement about inequality, refuse to 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:34.279 take the moneyject say, you know what, it's a great 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.239 honor to serve this nation. Inequality is a major problem, 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.719 and my first step in addressing that is I'm going 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.719 to refuse the pay rise in solidarity with my fellow 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:44.719 Australians who are doing it tough. And we'd all say 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.480 thanks God for the Governor General a spot. 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.319 On exactly now, international students have been hit with a 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.560 one hundred and twenty five percent increase in non refundable 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:59.680 visa application fees as labor tries to slash migration numbers. Andrew, Look, 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.480 this is key voat driving issue. We know there's been 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:06.960 record migration levels in this country. Look, I'm not sure 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.560 how far this will go to address that, but what 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.400 do you think is it the right approach? 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:16.920 I think this is just a pure money grab, a 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:21.040 pure revenue raising exercise. It won't do anything to reduce 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:25.040 the numbers of foreign students coming into this country. If 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.040 you can afford to get here and a plane, afford 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.200 to pay the fees, afford to pay the visas that 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.160 currently stands, I'm sure you can afford a couple more 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:37.080 hundred dollars for that, right. So it's a naked money 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.160 grab from a government that's trying to show people that's 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.920 addressing these issues because there is deep concern about the 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:45.360 number of foreign students coming into this country. But we 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.120 need to take a balance approach here too, because this 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:52.120 is a thriving industry that the Australian economy relies on. 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.719 But you've got to get the balance right between the 0:38:54.760 --> 0:39:00.000 economic benefits and not putting additional pressure on housing and infrastructure. 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.279 And there's some measures that the government introducing in this 0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:08.160 space are good. For instance, to tying university universities who 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.560 want to increase the numbers of foreign students with the 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:16.799 placement of purpose built accommodation and housing on university land. 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:17.840 That is a great policy. 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.520 This one it's just a money grab. Yeah, it just 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.839 seems like it's just an at hoc measure without any 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:28.000 real solutions. Now this is interesting because Borderforce gave some 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:32.120 twenty eight asylum seekers a modern speedboat for their return 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.520 back to Indonesia after their original vessel was seized and 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:41.439 destroyed in Australian waters. James, Look, the word would well 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.279 and truly be out there now that you go. You 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:47.560 come here. If your boat breaks down and has any issues, 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:51.200 don't worry, will ferry you back. What message is this sending? 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.520 Well, I think the message is you won't come to Australia. 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.120 You'll be sent home. The only argument is how you're 0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:00.800 sent home. Back in twenty fourteen, I think Tony Abbott's 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:04.279 policy was to put people on effectively enclosed lifeboats that 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.399 were stopped with food and water to get you back 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.560 to where you'd come from. The Albanezi government seems to 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.560 be giving away speed boats. It's probably still cheaper than 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:15.400 housing those twenty eight to thirty people at Naaru for 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.880 god knows how long. But imagine if you could get 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:19.560 to Australia by land. You could rock up in a 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.640 dats in one ady B and be sent home in 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:22.799 a mercedeshould with that. 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.719 Wouldn't that be fantastic? What a revelation. Were almost out 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.520 of time. But Andrew, what do you think about this? 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.319 Is it bizarre? And do you think that it's the 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:33.520 taxpayer that's going to be footing the bill for this 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:34.360 ferry service. 0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:40.120 I just think it's hilarious. After nine years of denigrating 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:44.400 the previous government for boat turnbacks, they've suddenly woken up 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.960 to the fact that this actually works. I mean, this 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:51.640 policy is not pleasant, right, it's not pleasant enacting this policy, 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:55.040 but it is so effective to stop what would be 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.640 in a martter of boats coming to this country, clogging 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:03.360 up our court system and filling up our immigration detention centers. 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.760 Thank goodness they've worken up to this good point. 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.520 That's a fair point, Andrew Carswell, James McPherson, we have 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.120 to leave it there. Thank you so much to both 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.719 of you for your insights this evening were coming up. 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.600 Democrats continue to stand by Joe Biden as his family 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:20.760 urge him to stay the course after that disastrous debate 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:28.520 performance that's next welcome back. Well, after resembling a sick, 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:32.560 mumbling and bubbling space cadet during the US presidential debate, 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.440 it seems Democrats are rallying around Joe Biden. How can 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.480 they seriously back this man to take them to November 0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.440 and even more concerningly, for another term. 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.239 Nice to get away with you yet rid of the 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:52.680 ability of medicare, to for the ability for the US 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.360 to be able to do with the with the COVID, 0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:00.359 I could be with dealing with everything we have to 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:07.600 do with. Look if we finally beat medicare. 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.879 Oh it's uncomfortable, isn't it now? As expected, the Democrats 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.120 are in damage control while the President spends the weekend 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.879 at Camp David desperately trying to shield him from more 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:22.560 stumbles and slip ups, and to no surprise, voter confidence 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.400 in Biden since the debate is down. According to a 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.440 CBS you Gav Pohl, twenty seven percent of registered voters 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:33.600 believe the president has the mental and cognitive health does 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.919 not have it rather to run again for more, Let's 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.040 bring in Sky News contributor Kosher Garda Kosher good to 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:43.920 see you as always. Look, there is no way surely 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.399 that the Democrats can continue with Biden to November. How 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.400 do you see this playing out? 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.040 You know, I think what happened last week last Friday 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.680 Anika in this debate was a convergence of two big groups. 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:02.080 Convergence of the high information concer of news and media 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.239 who really knew this and it wasn't a surprise to 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.799 them in terms of the cognitive decline of Biden and 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.160 this other group of just everyday people who aren't in 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.520 the weeds, and for them, I think this was quite 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.200 a shock. The dam has broken, and that's why all 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.359 the smart money says that they are going to try 0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.960 and change him out. It's not so simple. There is 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:21.839 a process for it, but it's not as straightforward. There 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.759 are many states where ballot deadlines to switch out a 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:28.320 name have passed. There is a financial component where I 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.600 think he's raised. Biden has raised almost up to two 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.319 billion dollars, which cannot just automatically be transferred to somebody else. 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.680 There's fec laws around that. And then politically there's the 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.960 problem of his vice president, and you know, if you 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.200 sidestep her with somebody else, a white male who in 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:47.400 this party has crafted themselves around identity as a key 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.560 factor in who they choose. That's another issue that they've 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.520 got to get through. Notwithstanding that smart money seems to 0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:53.960 be that that's what they're going to try to do 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:55.040 in this August convention. 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:56.200 The pressure is on. 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.920 There is not consensus with the Democrats, but it seems 0:43:58.960 --> 0:43:59.880 to be had in that direction. 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.760 Well, there's been those reports, of course, that there's crisis 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.840 talks happening at Camp David about what happens next. I 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:07.400 want to ask you, though, there's been a lot of 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:12.880 criticism leveled at Jill Biden, particularly, there's been some suggestions 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:16.120 that she's the one actually pushing for him to continue 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.360 in the race. Do you think that that criticism of 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.719 her is fair in the context. 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.040 You know, it appears to be. She really did not 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.120 come out looking well at any of the past events 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.960 where we've seen Biden's struggle on a human level. You know, 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:32.640 I've got a lot of friends who are not in 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.400 the weeds. They don't live and breathe the stuff the 0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:36.239 way you and I do. And the one thing they 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:39.480 said to me after consistently after watching the debate was 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.960 how could somebody do that? It was passing judgment, but 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.640 how could a wife do that if somebody is at 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.440 that level of cognitive decline, which we've all experienced, some 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.520 family member another go through. And so I don't think 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.440 that she's coming across very well from a human perspective, 0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:58.160 fairly or not. I think first Leady macbeth was trending 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.359 on Twitter after the debate, which kind of gives sense 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:03.040 of where some people are. Others see her as as 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.719 very loyal, and she's she's saying that, you know, he 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.760 is the rightful nominee. He won all the necessary delegates 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.440 through their process, and she's not going to be pressured 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:13.279 into having him stand down. So it depends how you 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.600 look at it, but I think net she is not 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.759 coming across well, just on a human level. To most 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:19.839 people that I've spoken to, how. 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.160 Do you think the Trump camp would be feeling after 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.360 the debatement. They didn't really have to do much. I 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:30.600 think Joe Biden certainly showed his lack of credibility by himself. 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.160 But do you think that they would be thinking, well, 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.480 this is a win. I mean, Trump's got his own issues. 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:35.600 How do you think they'll be feeling. 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.160 I think they saw it as definitely a win, just 0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:42.239 in terms of that convergence that I mentioned of the 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:46.200 high information consumers and low information consumers coming together. He 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.400 really laid bare or ripped the mask off for the 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.360 wide swath of the public. Something like fifty million people 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.800 tuned in live and another two hundred plus million people 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.560 on the various social media platforms watch those key clips that. 0:45:58.560 --> 0:45:59.719 Went viral afterwards. 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:01.760 So this is now out in the open, the cognitive 0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.480 decline issue, and that can only help him. On the 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.600 other hand, you know, many would say that the Trump 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.920 camp gave Joe Biden a free pass because typically the 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.840 debates don't happen in June this early, when the nominees 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.600 aren't officially confirmed, and if he ends up not being 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.719 the nominee. Then Trump has debated somebody who's not even 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.120 the nominee. So there is an argument that it happened 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.520 too soon, and if this leads to a switch out 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:27.319 with somebody more formidable, then that could potentially backfire for him. 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.000 But I think net he felt that it was time, 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.200 or the Trump team felt it was time to expose 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.880 this very blatant issue to the American people, and you 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:37.600 know that's the move he made. And right now he's 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.480 only up, up and up in the polls ince that debate. 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.719 Well, he certainly, you know, he didn't even have to try. Really, 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.279 I mean, Joe Biden struggled from the very moment he 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:47.440 opened his mouth. Do you think that we will see 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.040 another debate between the two of them or is it 0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.359 safe to say it's all but rolled out. 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:57.640 I would be surprised right now that officially there's going 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.680 to be this debate in September, And as of this present, Biden, 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.120 as defiant, says he's not backing out of the nomination 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:04.080 and he will. 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:04.520 Do that debate. 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.200 I'm not sure that it's in the interests of the 0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.440 Trump team to do another debate because it'll be more 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.520 of the same and they accomplish their goal of exposing 0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.520 the feebleness and the cognitive decline of the president to 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.799 the American people, and I'm not sure that there's any 0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:20.640 merit or value in them doing another one in September. 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:22.560 If they switch Biden out, of course, then it's a 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:23.360 whole other ballgame. 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:26.880 Yeah. Absolutely, Look, before we let you go, the younger 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:30.120 and now convicted Biden has spoken out to support his father. 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.640 Hunter is pushing for his father to stay in the 0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:34.920 race and claims that it was a bad night for 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.360 him and he wishes that people could see the scrappy 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.640 and command of the facts man he knows. I can't 0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:43.719 imagine that the support of a recent convict is going 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.840 to do much for the US president either, but I 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.120 guess we can't be surprised that the family is rallying 0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:49.680 around Biden at this point. 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:55.919 Yeah, there's something about family solidarity and loyalty that has 0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.400 an appeal and on a human level, people can understand 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:00.640 that and appreciate that Hunter by and obviously is a 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.560 very checkered has a very checkered reputation in the public 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:05.600 eye right now, as do many of the other Bidens 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.759 in the family. Some cynical people are saying that a 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.360 part of the reason is self preservation because he is 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:13.719 a convicted felon. Now, he's got another case on the 0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.799 docket in September, and if his father remains president, then 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:19.680 there's a pathway to receiving a pardon for any sentence 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:21.400 that he would serve. Even though the President said he 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:24.440 would not pardon him, that remains. So maybe that's coloring it. 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.239 Maybe it's a mix of family solidarity. Who knows, but 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:28.840 I agree with you, I don't think that's going to 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.719 move the needle much in terms of regaining the faith 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:32.560 of the American people. 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.560 We'll tell you what. It's been a fascinating few days, 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.359 but that debate was just uncomfortable from start to end. 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:40.279 Kosha Ghana. Great to have you on. Thank you so 0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:45.080 much for joining us. Pleasure. That's all we've got time 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:48.399 for today. I'll be back again at eight pm tomorrow night. 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.280 It stay tuned. Paul Murray is up next.