Speaker 1: First to night. We are in uncharted territory in this
Speaker 1: country thanks to the Greens, who have proven themselves as
Speaker 1: the most dangerous UnAustralian political party in our history, a
Speaker 1: party that is tearing apart the very fibers of what
Speaker 1: makes this country great. I'll explain more in a moment,
Speaker 1: but first take a look at this disgraceful act of
Speaker 1: vandalism in Canberra. Four war memorials near the Australian War
Speaker 1: Memorial were vandalized yesterday. The pro Palestinian graffiti with slogans
Speaker 1: such as from the River to the Sea was discovered
Speaker 1: on the Korean War, Vietnam War, Australian Army monuments and
Speaker 1: a wall between the memorials along Anzac Parade. Now, for
Speaker 1: many of us, our loved ones fought in these walls
Speaker 1: and other conflicts, so anyone with a moral conscience would
Speaker 1: be horrified to see them defaced. And as we go
Speaker 1: to air tonight, no arrests have been made. Now. Senator
Speaker 1: Jackie Lamby put forward a motion to the Senate today
Speaker 1: saying the Senate condemns the act of defacing war memorials
Speaker 1: by pro Palestinian protesters, which is deeply insulting for current
Speaker 1: and former members of the Australian Defense Force and undermines
Speaker 1: the significance of these memorials as symbols of national pride
Speaker 1: and remembrance. But that sense of national pride and remembrance
Speaker 1: is lost on the Greens because the party refused to
Speaker 1: support the motion. They argue there may be a place
Speaker 1: in our society for this sort of activism because memorials
Speaker 1: of any type, particularly war memorials, are not politically neutral places.
Speaker 2: You can agree with it, you can disagree with it,
Speaker 2: but it was inherently a political decision. Protest is a
Speaker 2: political decision and one of the reasons why we cannot
Speaker 2: support the motion brought by Senator Lambe today is that
Speaker 2: it frames the act of protest by way of interacting
Speaker 2: with a memorial or a commemorative space, as something that
Speaker 2: is exclusive to those who support justice and freedom for Palestine.
Speaker 2: And that is not true. That is not true.
Speaker 1: Does he even know what he's saying? The Greens have
Speaker 1: absolutely truly lost the plot. Green Senator Jordan steel John
Speaker 1: went on to say, if we are to believe that
Speaker 1: the men and women of the ADF gave their lives
Speaker 1: in wars and conflicts. To defend such freedoms, then you
Speaker 1: have to engage with the reality that protesting, that painting
Speaker 1: is a form of speech. Well, Jordan, graffiti and vandalism
Speaker 1: are not a form of speech. They are criminal acts.
Speaker 1: Made even more despicable that it happened at our National
Speaker 1: War Memorial. One hundred and three thousand brave men and
Speaker 1: women lost their lives serving our nation. They deserve our
Speaker 1: respect and to have them desecrated by antisemitic slogans is
Speaker 1: the lowest of the low and that is the level
Speaker 1: the Greens have reached. They have turned into the most
Speaker 1: UnAustralian party in our history.
Speaker 3: It is extraordinary that any elected member of this place
Speaker 3: would come in here and defend the defacing and the
Speaker 3: desecration of these monuments.
Speaker 4: The Greens are whipping up an atmosphere of hate and
Speaker 4: division all for vote.
Speaker 5: Where do you draw the line? And as someone who's
Speaker 5: very proud husband to a member of the ADF, I
Speaker 5: can assure you your comments are totally out of order,
Speaker 5: are offensive.
Speaker 1: Now it's not the first time the Greens have shown
Speaker 1: such contempt for our ADF. New South Wales Greens Counselor
Speaker 1: Rafaela Pandolfini or a Palestinian cafiet to an Anzac Day
Speaker 1: dawn service. This year, only the Greens would use our
Speaker 1: diggers to score political points to try and win seats
Speaker 1: from Labor, particularly those in the inner cities. And they
Speaker 1: are using a conflict a world away from us to
Speaker 1: do it. This party knows no bounds. Now, The Daily
Speaker 1: Mail has obtained leak to audio of Green's leader Adam
Speaker 1: Bant tearing into his own supporters in a speech to
Speaker 1: the party's online national conference in June. Have a listen
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 6: I want you to think about what the narrative will
Speaker 6: be if we don't win these seats. What Labor will
Speaker 6: say is are well, we can get away with bombing
Speaker 6: Gaza and opening up new coalon gas lines and it
Speaker 6: doesn't matter because voters won't impact on us, and the
Speaker 6: Greens can try as hard as they want and nothing
Speaker 6: will happen. That will be the story that they tell.
Speaker 6: That will be the story they tell. It won't be true,
Speaker 6: but that's the story that they will tell.
Speaker 1: I mean they even willing to go so far as
Speaker 1: to say Labor is bombing Gaza. What does that tell
Speaker 1: you The Greens will do and say anything in the
Speaker 1: pursuit of seats, including accepting the vandalism of our war Memorial,
Speaker 1: which is not a place for the Greens extremism. The
Speaker 1: only person they seem to be falling is Labour's now
Speaker 1: suspended petulant child, Fatima Payman, who has been swept away
Speaker 1: by the Greens surf desolee.
Speaker 7: From the river to the sea.
Speaker 2: Palestine will be free in.
Speaker 1: A secular society. The War Memorial is one of the
Speaker 1: few things we all agree is sacred. The fact that
Speaker 1: being defaced didn't bother them should send warning signals about
Speaker 1: the dangerous pathway this party is on, hell bent on division.
Speaker 1: And so if they are so comfortable with the memorial
Speaker 1: being attacked, why don't the Greens go over to the
Speaker 1: Middle East for themselves. Go on, go fight the war
Speaker 1: that they are trying to import into our own backyard.
Speaker 1: Go put yourselves on the line, like our servicemen and
Speaker 1: women have done and continue to do so. Go see
Speaker 1: what it is like to face fears that nobody should
Speaker 1: ever have to go over and be faced with death.
Speaker 1: But there certainly won't be any monuments or memorials erected
Speaker 1: for your so called courage back home now, As if
Speaker 1: we needed more proof of how much we need a
Speaker 1: Royal Commission into Australia's handling of the COVID pandemic to
Speaker 1: hear from the pandemic premiers who inflicted so much misery
Speaker 1: and pain. How many of them have now left politics,
Speaker 1: so you'd think they would have had time to reflect
Speaker 1: on the decisions and what could and should have been
Speaker 1: done better. But it seems that reflection has been lost
Speaker 1: on former Queensland Premier Anastagia Palichet. She sat down for
Speaker 1: what has been described as a candid interview about the pandemic,
Speaker 1: but it was about as candid as the people living
Speaker 1: in New South Wales.
Speaker 8: They have New South Wales hospitals.
Speaker 1: In Queensland, we have Queensland hospitals for our people. Oh
Speaker 1: just never gets old, does it? Who could forget that now?
Speaker 1: When asked in the interview on the Seven network last
Speaker 1: night about whether she regrets her decisions to keep dying
Speaker 1: loved ones apart because of the harsh Queensland border restrictions,
Speaker 1: while she offered up.
Speaker 8: This, I still stand by what we did to keep
Speaker 8: Queensland safe and the end result was we only had
Speaker 8: tragically seven deaths during that whole period of that two
Speaker 8: years before we opened up our borders. So I think
Speaker 8: the results show that it did work.
Speaker 1: It did work, she said. She stands by it. She
Speaker 1: stands by loved ones being locked out by border restrictions
Speaker 1: and having to say goodbye on FaceTime. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: to her. The stress of being denied exceptions, having to
Speaker 1: apply for an exemption in the first place. I mean
Speaker 1: it was utter madness. And well, she stands by it.
Speaker 1: And she was then asked in that interview what lessons
Speaker 1: Australia learned from the pandemic.
Speaker 8: We found out that we needed to manufacture more here.
Speaker 8: We needed to have the ability to produce vaccines here
Speaker 8: when we didn't have PPE. We just didn't have we
Speaker 8: didn't have the masks and everything else that was needed.
Speaker 8: So we actually have domestic manufacturing.
Speaker 1: Vaccines and PPE vaccines and PPE that we needed more.
Speaker 1: That is what she learned from years of hell. Never mind,
Speaker 1: the Queensland Supreme Court found earlier this year that vaccine
Speaker 1: mandates for police and ambulance workers were unlawful under the
Speaker 1: Human Rights Act. So you would really think that the
Speaker 1: former Queensland Premier would have said, well, actually, upon reflection,
Speaker 1: maybe we should not have been so quick to impose
Speaker 1: vaccine mandates and considered human rights. And then one last insult.
Speaker 8: Not everything was right, not everything was perfect, but we
Speaker 8: got through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Anastasia Palichet did get through it on a
Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty thousand dollars salary and now working
Speaker 1: a cushy job with the Smart Energy Council. Meanwhile, other
Speaker 1: people who lost their jobs because they refused her vaccine
Speaker 1: mandate have had their lives destroyed, their finances turned upside down,
Speaker 1: and their job prospects ruined. It is astonishing that years
Speaker 1: later there is zero sympathy from this robotic pandemic premiere.
Speaker 1: It's a further insult to those who lost loved ones,
Speaker 1: whose businesses went broke, whose children were robbed of key
Speaker 1: educational years. The list goes on. And for the former
Speaker 1: Queensland premier to say, really, I don't know, I can't
Speaker 1: really think of anything that we could have done better
Speaker 1: or other than vaccines and PPE is a double blow.
Speaker 1: And it's even a bigger blow that the ab and
Speaker 1: Easy government's COVID cop out inquiry won't examine decisions by
Speaker 1: the States because former COVID premiers like Palichet and Dan
Speaker 1: Andrews and the chief health officers would get minced in
Speaker 1: front of a royal commission. I mean, wouldn't you love
Speaker 1: to see this scrutinized. My advice to you is to
Speaker 1: duck and just do not touch that ball. And that's
Speaker 1: what they are scared of. The truth was already confirmed
Speaker 1: by former Federal Health Minister Greg Huntu as minister during
Speaker 1: the pandemic. He has made a scathing submission to Labour's inquiry,
Speaker 1: hitting out at states and territories over unilateral health decisions
Speaker 1: taken during the pandemic that work. Who'd you believe not
Speaker 1: backed by medical advice? No wonder Labour don't want a
Speaker 1: royal commission. It's clearer than ever why we need one.
Speaker 1: Otherwise nothing will change, History will repeat itself and all
Speaker 1: we will care about is more vaccines and PPE. Also
Speaker 1: on the show tonight, we'll have more to say on
Speaker 1: Fatima Payman's indefinite suspension from the Labor Caucus after a
Speaker 1: weak display of leadership from the Prime Minister, plus why
Speaker 1: the latest polls spell bad news for both major parties.
Speaker 1: I'll be joined by a Labor insider to break down
Speaker 1: the figures and the Democrats are in damage control after
Speaker 1: the president's train wreck debate. Performance will have the latest
Speaker 1: from the US. But now let's bring in today's panel.
Speaker 1: Joining US is Sky News host Liz Storer and Sky
Speaker 1: News contributor Joe Hildebrand. Hi to you both.
Speaker 7: Tonight, great editorials.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Greens. Okay, a different bizarre trajectory here.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't even support this motion contests the vandalism of
Speaker 1: the Australian War memorial. I mean, this is one of
Speaker 1: the things that are sacred. Could they get any more extreme?
Speaker 9: This is the thing that shows you how absolutely extreme
Speaker 9: they are. They are an extremist party. Anyone who supports
Speaker 9: vandalizer war memorials, vandalizing the memorials to people who gave
Speaker 9: their lives in service of this country is clearly just
Speaker 9: off the reservation and there's something wrong with them on
Speaker 9: a very basic human level as well. I mean, how
Speaker 9: would the Greens feel if their gravestones were vandalized by
Speaker 9: One Nation supporters because they didn't like the cause that
Speaker 9: the Greens represent. I mean, that is exactly what they're
Speaker 9: talking about here, and they think, oh, they're not graves
Speaker 9: or their memorials, because the bodies are probably still overseas
Speaker 9: and in many cases will never have been found. And again,
Speaker 9: think about the impact that that has on the family
Speaker 9: of these people. These memorials are often all they actually
Speaker 9: have to remember their loved ones by. They're a symbol
Speaker 9: of what their loved ones did. And to have them
Speaker 9: not just defaced by extremists, but then backed by a
Speaker 9: party that is actually in the Parliament, that claims to
Speaker 9: be representative of segments of the Australian public, hopefully this
Speaker 9: is the thing that pulls back the rug on just
Speaker 9: how psychotic these people are. It is the same logic.
Speaker 9: It's not quite as extreme, obviously, but it's the same
Speaker 9: logic that terrorists have, which is that someone I don't
Speaker 9: like did something to someone else over there, Therefore I'm
Speaker 9: going to do something to another third party over here.
Speaker 9: The US invaded Iraq, I don't like that, so I'm
Speaker 9: going to go kill a random American. This is what
Speaker 9: they're saying saying. They're saying, we don't like an Australian
Speaker 9: government policy today, which in fact has no bearing on
Speaker 9: what's happening in Gaza anyway, So we're going to randomly
Speaker 9: attack and then justify and promote and support the attack
Speaker 9: of the war dead.
Speaker 7: It is so cooked, it is so cooked.
Speaker 9: For there's something broken.
Speaker 1: Greens have become the most UnAustralian political party in our history. Liz,
Speaker 1: what does it say about the trajectory that this group's on.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that even things like this really
Speaker 4: put off their own voters. I mean, obviously there's no sky,
Speaker 4: there's no Greens voters watching sky. Stop voting for people
Speaker 4: that hate you, that hate our country, and who have
Speaker 4: proven time and time again that they will stop at
Speaker 4: nothing to support the people who are Supper Palestine.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 4: They've attended their rallies, they've taken the mic at a
Speaker 4: few of them. This has got to be the lowest
Speaker 4: of the low blow yet, but they've shown it is
Speaker 4: not beneath them. And I don't think many people at
Speaker 4: this point in the game are surprised because it is
Speaker 4: the Greens, and so I think they would be more
Speaker 4: shocked if the Greens were to join them in the
Speaker 4: rest and say, yeah, we absolutely condemned this. This is
Speaker 4: a red line here. We've been overtly pro Palestinian, but
Speaker 4: we say to these people, please please don't go around
Speaker 4: defacing war memorials in the name of something that has
Speaker 4: actually nothing to do with and that inference, like you
Speaker 4: said that labor's the one dropping bombs often, I believe
Speaker 4: it's discussed one of the first people in line to
Speaker 4: bash this Labor government. But that is worse than insulting
Speaker 4: like that is live l That is defamation, That is
Speaker 4: telling people and you'd probably have to be a whack
Speaker 4: job to be voting for the Greens in the first place,
Speaker 4: so they may well believe you. When Green's leaders stand
Speaker 4: up and infer that our government is playing a front
Speaker 4: seat role in what is happening in the Middle East
Speaker 4: right now, it is utter nonsense.
Speaker 1: It's lies. No, you're totally right in those comments were
Speaker 1: just absolutely appalling. But you know, where do you draw
Speaker 1: a line in the sand when it comes to the.
Speaker 9: Green Hopefully, hopefully it's exposed them and again some much
Speaker 9: for just ask them hope So would they support right
Speaker 9: wing activists vandalizing the graves and memorials of their own
Speaker 9: MPs when they fall off this mortal coil? Or are
Speaker 9: the left wing icons that they support if they support
Speaker 9: someone like you know, One Nation or whatever going out
Speaker 9: there and getting out the old spray paint and saying,
Speaker 9: you know you horrible comment.
Speaker 1: Would they'd be like, oh, freedom of speech?
Speaker 7: Is that?
Speaker 9: Is that a conversation with these public spaces.
Speaker 4: Hypocrisy time and again when they come out batting for
Speaker 4: all pro women everything, and then a conservative woman in the.
Speaker 1: Liberal Party absolutely bad, absolutely flints of the world.
Speaker 4: You're a peek out of them all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: they're not for women at all, even though.
Speaker 1: The abuse Laura is very obvious. All right, look, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Because in Battle nine, CEO Mike Sneezebee zipped
Speaker 1: off on a family holiday to grease just hours after
Speaker 1: slashing staff by four percent, many of whom are claiming
Speaker 1: to have been blindsided on by his company wide email
Speaker 1: that outlined the loss of two hundred jobs. Liza, a
Speaker 1: good or a bad time? Do you think to be overseas?
Speaker 4: I think good if your sneeze beee.
Speaker 1: Look, I wouldn't be.
Speaker 4: Surprised if this guy has woken up to the fact
Speaker 4: that his days are numbered. If it's not the Darren
Speaker 4: Wick saga, if it's not the Tim Costello saga.
Speaker 1: Now they've got this to deal.
Speaker 4: With and a hell of a lot of disgrundled staff
Speaker 4: being like, excuse me, nobody even warned us about this.
Speaker 4: Of course nine simply said, look, staff cuts gotta cut costs,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure everyone can relate to that in this environment.
Speaker 4: They're obviously not their only network to do this, not
Speaker 4: recently as well.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I guess he's.
Speaker 4: Just like I can't hack the heat and the kitchen.
Speaker 4: I'm going to clear out for this little bit while
Speaker 4: the dust settles.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting time for Australian media in general. Would
Speaker 1: you say interesting in the sense of the tumultuous across
Speaker 1: the board, But what do you think of.
Speaker 9: Mike sneezees interesting in the sense of the old Chinese curse?
Speaker 9: May you live an interesting time?
Speaker 7: It's awful.
Speaker 9: Everyone I know in the media has been really rocked
Speaker 9: by the extent and the savagery of the cuts that's
Speaker 9: happening across all these organizations, including News nine seven, all
Speaker 9: of them. I believe from memory that Sneeze we actually
Speaker 9: canceled some leave to come back and deal with we
Speaker 9: did the crisis in the first place. I assume he's
Speaker 9: making up for that. And again, I have never subscribed
Speaker 9: to the you know you have to work twenty four
Speaker 9: to seven, you know, fifty two weeks a year. Otherwise
Speaker 9: I hate you because you're rich or whatever. Having said that,
Speaker 9: it'd be very interesting to go back and look at
Speaker 9: some of nine's coverage of Scott Morrison's holidays during I'm
Speaker 9: more literally inferno than be interesting to say if if
Speaker 9: nine were equally kind to that overseas joint as, no
Speaker 9: doubt they will be to my says, but I think
Speaker 9: you know so soon after. I mean, you know, the
Speaker 9: ink is barely dry.
Speaker 1: It's not really bad. Now, look, I want to get
Speaker 1: to this because thousands of trivial calls to New South
Speaker 1: Wales ambulance paramedics are putting a huge strain on the
Speaker 1: service now. The Daily Telegraph reports this is just bizarre.
Speaker 1: There's been more than five hundred calls for constipation, toothaches, earaches, boils,
Speaker 1: people who can't sleep, even hiccups. Liz, what on earth
Speaker 1: is going on here? Seriously stop using ambulance services for
Speaker 1: trivial matters. Yeah?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, but also what the hell is going on in
Speaker 4: the call center? If I'm working for trivial zero and
Speaker 4: you get through to me and you say and this
Speaker 4: was also mentioned in the article there's a pimple on
Speaker 4: my back that I can't reach, So I'm calling an ambulance.
Speaker 1: Surely you go.
Speaker 4: We don't send them for constipation. We don't send them
Speaker 4: for a pimple on your back you can't reach. Like
Speaker 4: obviously it's a systemic breakdown here where it's a problem
Speaker 4: that could be easily fixed. Also, second and last point
Speaker 4: is there's certain people with certain permits that mean they
Speaker 4: don't pay for the pension. Is one of them, yes?
Speaker 4: Or a Commonwealth Health card you don't pay for ambos?
Speaker 4: And so one wonders, even though there's not a breakdown
Speaker 4: of the demographic, who are obviously the guilty party making
Speaker 4: all these ridiculous calls and.
Speaker 1: Tying up the services.
Speaker 4: One wonders, are they people who are holders of one
Speaker 4: of these permits? Therefore they're abusing the system because they know,
Speaker 4: well for me, they.
Speaker 1: Can get away with it. They can get away with it.
Speaker 9: Problem are like that they're ald and vulnerable, and they're
Speaker 9: scared and they don't have anyone else to call. And
Speaker 9: I think the operator would probably feel if this person
Speaker 9: keeps insisting despite me recommend.
Speaker 1: Mere vulnerable, you know.
Speaker 7: What I'm going to do.
Speaker 9: I'm going to start driving an Uber and get a
Speaker 9: giant bulk box of mover.
Speaker 1: Call you know, Madam.
Speaker 7: Nobody has to know, Madam.
Speaker 1: Five hundred callouts Joe for constivation. There you go. How
Speaker 1: did we get to this topic? Joe Hilda Bradley's story.
Speaker 1: Good to have you both on. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me. We'll stay with us coming up after
Speaker 1: the break. Support slips for both major parties as the
Speaker 1: cost of living crisis looms large plus Stage three tax cuts,
Speaker 1: minimum wage increases, and energy bill rebates. What all the
Speaker 1: changes being introduced to mark the new financial year mean
Speaker 1: for you? That's next, Welcome back. Well. News poll results
Speaker 1: show support for both the Coalition and Labor has fallen
Speaker 1: following a bitter row over energy wars. Alban Easy and
Speaker 1: Dutton have returned to near record levels of dissatisfaction with
Speaker 1: voters for this term. On a two party preferred basis,
Speaker 1: Labor gained ground over the Coalition fifth one to forty
Speaker 1: nine compared to the fifty to fifty recorded in the
Speaker 1: previous News poll three weeks ago. However, the contest over
Speaker 1: the better Prime Minister remained unchanged at forty six percent
Speaker 1: to thirty eight percent in Anthony Albanesi's favor, the tightest
Speaker 1: margin between the two leaders since the last federal election.
Speaker 1: To tackle this and more, let's bring in GXO Strategies
Speaker 1: director Cameron Milner Karen greg to see you, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. Look, this was supposed to be a huge
Speaker 1: day for labor. Their tax cuts, their energy rebates came
Speaker 1: into force. We've got this news poll. What do you
Speaker 1: make of the results?
Speaker 10: Well, Newspole shouldn't be any great surprise because the cost
Speaker 10: of living is the number one issue, number two and
Speaker 10: number three issue for voters out there, and the last
Speaker 10: week voters haven't heard either those things mentioned by the leaders.
Speaker 10: Peter Dutton was bold with nuclear energy, but that was
Speaker 10: a distraction from cost of living and the Prime Minister.
Speaker 10: The prime ministers stood there being emasculated by a Muslim
Speaker 10: senator from the backbench.
Speaker 7: He was humiliated in terms.
Speaker 10: Of her crossing the floor on the vote last week
Speaker 10: and decided to reprimand her then sanction it.
Speaker 7: Then ask a dot to come to a meeting.
Speaker 10: I mean, the Prime Minister is so totally distracted from
Speaker 10: the number one issue it cost a living in voter's eyes,
Speaker 10: because while senator payment and the Greens become political bedfellows
Speaker 10: over Palestine.
Speaker 7: The Primis are saying that what she could all go
Speaker 7: past him. It's appalling.
Speaker 10: So people don't reward people who don't look after number
Speaker 10: one issue. Number one issue is cost of living. Peter
Speaker 10: Dutton was distracted on nuclear energy and the Prime Minister
Speaker 10: was just weak and totally distracted. That's why neither party
Speaker 10: got rewarded by voter As a newspop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually a really good point, and I do
Speaker 1: want to ask you about Fatima payment. But just in
Speaker 1: terms of this poll, what does it suggest in terms
Speaker 1: of the energy wars that we've particularly seen in the
Speaker 1: last two weeks since the Coalition announced its nuclear policy.
Speaker 10: Well, the problem with the nuclear policy is it's probably
Speaker 10: the right policy and the right debate for Australia to have.
Speaker 10: We should actually discuss how we provide energy through to
Speaker 10: twenty fifty fifty, so far away. People are worried about
Speaker 10: next week and next month's power bills and what's happening
Speaker 10: to their cost of living. So it's too far dated
Speaker 10: for people to be concerned about the problem right here
Speaker 10: right now, especially when news last week was that we
Speaker 10: might not have any interest rate relief for another year,
Speaker 10: and in fact interest rates might go up under Albanie
Speaker 10: because he's flooded the economy with cash, flooded the economy
Speaker 10: of cash, and.
Speaker 7: If RBA raises rates, Albow will be out.
Speaker 1: I spoke earlier Cameron about just how extreme and dangerous
Speaker 1: the Greens as a party have become. But according to
Speaker 1: this News poll they're bot lifted two points to thirteen percent.
Speaker 1: That's actually the highest level of support since the election.
Speaker 1: I'm really confused by this. Why are people looking at
Speaker 1: the Greens, Why are they polling so well?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 10: Unfortunately, and we're seeing it out there in Australia. There
Speaker 10: are an awful lot of anti Semitic people. There are
Speaker 10: awful lot of jew haters, and the Greens are their
Speaker 10: party of choice.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 10: The Greens are out there defending the actions of people
Speaker 10: who graffiti the war memorial, who have violent rallies at
Speaker 10: the Opera House and call call for genocide. This is
Speaker 10: a disgusting part of Australian history in terms of where
Speaker 10: their Prime Minister Australia is not standing up for the
Speaker 10: Jewish community. He goes to Jewish fundraisers, he's happy to
Speaker 10: take their money, just not stand up for them when
Speaker 10: it really counts. But the Greens are harnessing and harboring
Speaker 10: Jew haters and Andti Semites, and that's what's driving their vote.
Speaker 10: People who hate Jews are driving the Greens vote.
Speaker 1: Well, I just think it's a concern Cameron, when you
Speaker 1: think about the prospect of a minority government with Anthony
Speaker 1: Albanesi as the Prime Minister and then the de facto
Speaker 1: Prime Minister as Adam Band. I mean, that's a disaster
Speaker 1: for this country absolutely.
Speaker 10: And a band is an extremist and has extreme views
Speaker 10: and has already been holding the Labor government to ransom.
Speaker 10: As we have two seats in the Lower House. Goodness
Speaker 10: knows what they would look like if he actually had
Speaker 10: the driver's seat of not only of the Senate but
Speaker 10: also the Lower House. And that's what voters have got
Speaker 10: to be conscious of when it comes to next election
Speaker 10: and how they vote.
Speaker 1: Now, Cameron, before we let you go, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Fatima Payman. Anthony Albinizi is resisting taking further action against
Speaker 1: the rogue senator. He's really been a wilted lettuce leaf
Speaker 1: on this issue from the start. Now she claimed this
Speaker 1: afternoon that she's been exiled, Why won't he just expel her?
Speaker 10: He should, He should sack he or she should resign.
Speaker 10: If he was any stronger as a human being, he'd
Speaker 10: actually called for that to happen. But no, instead we're
Speaker 10: dealing with week albow, week albow and Israel, week alba
Speaker 10: in Palestine, Week albow in China, and week alapo on.
Speaker 10: A minor minority back bench Muslim senator from West Australia
Speaker 10: who has already called Israel out for genocide, which was disgusting.
Speaker 10: She should have gone for that anyway, has now crossed
Speaker 10: the floor and said she'll do it again.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 7: She shouldn't just be exiled, she should be expelled.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if they're both playing games against each
Speaker 1: other waiting for one or the other to make the
Speaker 1: first move to expel her, or will she walk? I
Speaker 1: mean it's just like Denise.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Denika, if you're the Prime Minister of Australia, you
Speaker 10: take action, if you're strongly, you take strong action, and
Speaker 10: elbow is neither.
Speaker 1: Your spot on. Cameron Milner, I completely agree with you, Caaren.
Speaker 1: We have to leave it there. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on the show. This evening. Appreciate it well.
Speaker 1: Today mark's the end of the financial year and the
Speaker 1: start of labor so called cost of living relief with
Speaker 1: tax through Stage three tax cuts as the centerpiece. You know,
Speaker 1: the ones Labor promised that they wouldn't change then did. Now,
Speaker 1: whatever the change, it won't go far in this climate.
Speaker 1: New data actually shows the number of New South Wales
Speaker 1: households forced onto hardship plans because they can't pay their
Speaker 1: energy bills has risen by ninety seven percent since the
Speaker 1: last federal election. That's the highest of any state. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: inflation is now four percent, and that is even before
Speaker 1: these state and federal stimulus measures have come into force. Now,
Speaker 1: Labor has consistently assured us that their policy is air
Speaker 1: tight and will not drive inflation. Not the gym chart
Speaker 1: is doing much to reassure us.
Speaker 10: Well, we are confident, but not complacent about inflation in
Speaker 10: our economy.
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Judo Bank chief Economic Advisor, Warren Hogan. Now, Warren,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on the show
Speaker 1: this evening. We got these Stage three tax cuts today,
Speaker 1: long awaited. Is this the right time do you think
Speaker 1: to be providing families with income tax cuts.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think there's no better time to be getting tax cuts.
Speaker 3: And the reason I say that is not just because
Speaker 3: of how tough people are doing it out there, but
Speaker 3: our income tax take has got back to record levels,
Speaker 3: back to the levels we saw in the year two
Speaker 3: thousand when the GST was introduced. Now the GST ten
Speaker 3: percent was brought in. The trade off was that we
Speaker 3: got a big tax cut, much bigger than anything we
Speaker 3: got today. But of course the taxes have crept back up,
Speaker 3: particularly in the last few years on bracket creep, and
Speaker 3: we've now just got this really high personal income tax
Speaker 3: burden again. So I'm very in favor of tax cuts
Speaker 3: for that reason. The question is time, you know, is
Speaker 3: this the right time? And of course it's not, because
Speaker 3: we are trying to get this inflation down, we're trying
Speaker 3: to get rid of this cost of living crisis, and
Speaker 3: we're right on a knife edge. The economy has slowed,
Speaker 3: for sure, but we're still creating jobs. They're still demanding
Speaker 3: the economy, and this will add to that demand and
Speaker 3: will potentially make the RBA's job harder. They're very resistant
Speaker 3: to raising interest rates and if they keep resisting and
Speaker 3: then we end up with much worse inflation. Not only
Speaker 3: is that making the cost of living crisis worse, but
Speaker 3: rates might have to go up a lot more next
Speaker 3: to year. So it's not great timing. I think when
Speaker 3: the government was going through all of this earlier in
Speaker 3: the year, the economy looked on track, but right now
Speaker 3: it's sexually looking like it's quite risky.
Speaker 1: For them, which is a huge concern, and the government
Speaker 1: is adding cost of living measures of course, on top
Speaker 1: of these tax cuts. Isn't that making it worse?
Speaker 7: I think it is.
Speaker 3: And I think again at the beginning of the year,
Speaker 3: when the budget was all framed up and they came
Speaker 3: to the decisions around the cost of living measures, I
Speaker 3: think they thought the economy was going to be a
Speaker 3: lot weaker than it's turned out to be. Things shifted
Speaker 3: a lot between basically February and the budget in May.
Speaker 3: That is, we've got a lot more employment growth than
Speaker 3: we thought we were going to get. We've since known
Speaker 3: that the inflation has been stickier, higher and not looking
Speaker 3: like it's going down. So I just it was a
Speaker 3: risky strategy, I think in the first place, because there
Speaker 3: was no done deal that this economy was really weak
Speaker 3: and falling into a hole, and that that support was needed.
Speaker 3: But now it looks like it's sort of a little
Speaker 3: bit dangerous from an inflation point of view. Look, it's
Speaker 3: important that people get this support because it's horrendous what's
Speaker 3: happened in the last three years. People's standard of living
Speaker 3: has gone backwards big time. But the priority has got
Speaker 3: to be to get rid of the inflation. And I
Speaker 3: think this and the States, I mean, the States really
Speaker 3: shouldn't be playing in this play playground with providing cost
Speaker 3: of living measures, but they have, particularly in Queens Lanes exactly.
Speaker 3: And yeah, look, it all remains to be seen. But
Speaker 3: if later in the year we've got an economy that's
Speaker 3: stubbornly sort of not getting rid of this inflation, or
Speaker 3: if inflation's picking up again, it'll be a disaster. Let's
Speaker 3: hope that's not the way it plays out. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of uncertain around this, but yeah, it's a risky
Speaker 3: policy strategy.
Speaker 1: So why is the government doing this? I mean, isn't
Speaker 1: it making it just so likely that the RBA will
Speaker 1: indeed rates in the near term.
Speaker 3: Look, I think, as I said, I think they thought
Speaker 3: it wasn't. I think they thought it was politically smart
Speaker 3: to have an election and the economy would be soft,
Speaker 3: and that everything was on track. And it sort of
Speaker 3: looked like that January, February, even early March. But things
Speaker 3: have changed. But look, we may end up getting some
Speaker 3: rate hikes, and I think most political analysts would say
Speaker 3: that's bad news for the government. For Elbow, that remains
Speaker 3: to be seen. But we have to get rid of
Speaker 3: the inflation, that's the cost of living crisis, and it
Speaker 3: looks like these interest rates are not high enough to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 1: So when can we give it. When do you think
Speaker 1: in the next.
Speaker 3: Well, I think August. If they're not going to go
Speaker 3: in August, then maybe it's another six months away, or
Speaker 3: maybe we get out of this without a rate hike.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's no done deal, but August is certainly
Speaker 3: the absolute focus. Now we're four weeks away, and it's
Speaker 3: the quarterly inflation number at the end of this month
Speaker 3: that'll determine that.
Speaker 1: All eyes on August then, But in the meantime, it's
Speaker 1: tough out there still. Warren Hogan, good to speak with
Speaker 1: you as always. Thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 1: on the show this evening. We're coming up after the break.
Speaker 1: Sam Moston sworn in as one of Australia's soon to
Speaker 1: be highest paid governor generals. That's next. Welcome back, well,
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezie's wilted lettuce leaf response to rogue. Fatima Payman
Speaker 1: appears to have emboldened the Senator after crossing the floor
Speaker 1: last week and then threatening again yesterday to do so.
Speaker 1: Albow finally suspended her, but haven't listened to his bizarre
Speaker 1: commentary this morning.
Speaker 12: No individual is bigger than the team. Fatim of Payman
Speaker 12: is welcome to return to participating in the team if
Speaker 12: she excepts she's a member of it.
Speaker 1: Well, let's bring in a headline Advisory director Andrew Carswell
Speaker 1: and sky Ney's host James McPherson. High for both of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us this evening, Andrew. Afternoon,
Speaker 1: Fatima Payment declared that she's been exiled and will abstain
Speaker 1: from all votes this week in the Senate. Is she
Speaker 1: running rings around the Prime Minister? Do you think?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 13: I think this episode highlights once again the weakness of
Speaker 13: Anthony Alberanesi's leadership and his poor judgment. No matter what
Speaker 13: you think of Senator payment's views on Palestine.
Speaker 1: No matter what you think of.
Speaker 13: Labour's frankly outdated policy when it comes to party solidarity
Speaker 13: in their caucus, this reflects poorly on Anthony Alberzi and
Speaker 13: his failure to act quickly on what is a very
Speaker 13: clear rule within the party. Now, if this was a
Speaker 13: fifty year old male, white male from Tasmania or the
Speaker 13: outer suburbs of Melbourne, they would have been gone out
Speaker 13: of the party before they had a chance to return
Speaker 13: to their seat on that side of the House. But
Speaker 13: this is a young female Muslim making a stand for Palestine.
Speaker 13: We know Anthony Aberezi goes weak at the knees on
Speaker 13: this issue, so it's a poor reflection on him. And
Speaker 13: there's also there's part of the blame and responsibility on
Speaker 13: senator payments shoulders here as well. She had every opportunity
Speaker 13: to raise these issues in caucus, every opportunity to take
Speaker 13: the microphone and make a stand on this issue, but
Speaker 13: she didn't. So was this all a stunt?
Speaker 1: It absolutely was a stunt, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: And James, why won't the Prime Minister just expel her
Speaker 1: or why won't she just defect to the Cross bend.
Speaker 1: Are they playing each other off here?
Speaker 14: Look on this issue, Anthony Alberanzi is making Joe Biden
Speaker 14: look sharp as attack. Oh dear Alberanzi should have done
Speaker 14: this immediately when she first defied him. But typical of
Speaker 14: Anthony Alberanzi, he's late to the party and then when
Speaker 14: he gets there he's still not quite sure what to do.
Speaker 14: Even today, he's blaming her not for crossing the floor
Speaker 14: on the issue of Palestine, but for distracting from the
Speaker 14: focus on tax cuts. As was said, reasons why he's
Speaker 14: not expelling her, she's a young person, she's a young woman,
Speaker 14: she's a young female Muslim. So for those reasons, Anthony
Speaker 14: Albinizi is treading very carefully because they are very aware
Speaker 14: of the Muslim vote in Western Sydney and this is
Speaker 14: a hot issue as to why Senator Payman won't defect
Speaker 14: to the cross benches. Do you think she's crazy. There's
Speaker 14: no way she's going anywhere. She's got national attention right
Speaker 14: now for her sole issue that she wants to focus
Speaker 14: on events in Gaza. She's not going anywhere. She will
Speaker 14: milk this for all its worth. She's absolutely playing Albansi
Speaker 14: on a break.
Speaker 1: And he's looking weaker and weaker each day. But I
Speaker 1: do agree. I think Western Sydney is playing a very
Speaker 1: big part in what we have seen over the last week.
Speaker 1: Let's move on, because Sam Mouston has been sworn in
Speaker 1: today as Australia's twenty eighth Governor General. Now Here she
Speaker 1: was outlining her vision for the new role.
Speaker 8: I will be an optimistic, modern and visible Governor General,
Speaker 8: committed to the service and contribution that all Australians expect
Speaker 8: and deserve from the hold of this office.
Speaker 1: Well, you'd be pretty optimistic, wouldn't you if you'd just
Speaker 1: got a two hundred thousand dollars pay rise. I mean,
Speaker 1: currently the Governor General receives an annual salary of four
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five thousand, but as you can see
Speaker 1: there on your screen, it's going to go right up
Speaker 1: to seven hundred and nine thousand under a new proposal. Andrew, look,
Speaker 1: what do you make of this appointment and this rather
Speaker 1: tone deaf pay rise.
Speaker 13: Well, I think Sam's a great choice for GG and
Speaker 13: I think she proved that today. I think she got
Speaker 13: off to an incredibly strong start. She was full of grace,
Speaker 13: full of passion, full of power and full of empathy.
Speaker 13: Today it was a shame that this first day and
Speaker 13: the lead up to this day has been overshadowed by
Speaker 13: a very poor decision from the Albanezi government to lift
Speaker 13: the rate of pay for the Governor General to an
Speaker 13: extraordinary level in the middle of a cost of living crisis.
Speaker 13: I mean, it is such poor judgment and that has
Speaker 13: nothing to do with Sam. It's all to do with
Speaker 13: Anthony Albanesi. I mean, this role is not one where
Speaker 13: you can come and feather your nest. It is a
Speaker 13: chance to give back to the Australia that has done
Speaker 13: well by you. That is the opportunity afforded to the
Speaker 13: Governor General. It's not about pay, and Anthony Aveneze should
Speaker 13: know better to expect that SAM would demand any rate
Speaker 13: of pay to this level. This has nothing to do
Speaker 13: with Sam and all to do with Anthony Avenez's poor choice.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I mean, it's completely overshadowed the appointment
Speaker 1: and the announcement of the new Governor General. But you know, James,
Speaker 1: we've got labor out there July one, congratulating everyone, and
Speaker 1: you're going to get your tax cut. You'll get your
Speaker 1: extra pudnet of strawberries when you go to the grocery store,
Speaker 1: But is the only one laughing all the way to
Speaker 1: the bank the governor General.
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I mean, we're all optimistic today, but some
Speaker 14: of us are far more optimistic than others. I mean,
Speaker 14: I'll tell you what her speech, I was a little
Speaker 14: concerned when she talked about she's going to be a
Speaker 14: modern and visible governor general. I immediately think, what does
Speaker 14: that even mean? And then she talked about the fact
Speaker 14: of youman's issues, the importance of sexual and gender diversity.
Speaker 14: She talked about the problems with social media. It starts
Speaker 14: to sound a little bit like an activist governor general,
Speaker 14: which you know, really her role is to fulfill the
Speaker 14: duties of the constitution, Cut Ribbons. No one wants her
Speaker 14: to be speaking about all of these social issues. She
Speaker 14: also interestingly mentioned she wants to make a stand on inequality. Well,
Speaker 14: it's a bit rich to talk about inequality when you're
Speaker 14: taking a two hundred thousand dollar good pay rise. If
Speaker 14: you want to make a statement about inequality, refuse to
Speaker 14: take the moneyject say, you know what, it's a great
Speaker 14: honor to serve this nation. Inequality is a major problem,
Speaker 14: and my first step in addressing that is I'm going
Speaker 14: to refuse the pay rise in solidarity with my fellow
Speaker 14: Australians who are doing it tough. And we'd all say
Speaker 14: thanks God for the Governor General a spot.
Speaker 1: On exactly now, international students have been hit with a
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five percent increase in non refundable
Speaker 1: visa application fees as labor tries to slash migration numbers. Andrew, Look,
Speaker 1: this is key voat driving issue. We know there's been
Speaker 1: record migration levels in this country. Look, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how far this will go to address that, but what
Speaker 1: do you think is it the right approach?
Speaker 13: I think this is just a pure money grab, a
Speaker 13: pure revenue raising exercise. It won't do anything to reduce
Speaker 13: the numbers of foreign students coming into this country. If
Speaker 13: you can afford to get here and a plane, afford
Speaker 13: to pay the fees, afford to pay the visas that
Speaker 13: currently stands, I'm sure you can afford a couple more
Speaker 13: hundred dollars for that, right. So it's a naked money
Speaker 13: grab from a government that's trying to show people that's
Speaker 13: addressing these issues because there is deep concern about the
Speaker 13: number of foreign students coming into this country. But we
Speaker 13: need to take a balance approach here too, because this
Speaker 13: is a thriving industry that the Australian economy relies on.
Speaker 13: But you've got to get the balance right between the
Speaker 13: economic benefits and not putting additional pressure on housing and infrastructure.
Speaker 13: And there's some measures that the government introducing in this
Speaker 13: space are good. For instance, to tying university universities who
Speaker 13: want to increase the numbers of foreign students with the
Speaker 13: placement of purpose built accommodation and housing on university land.
Speaker 13: That is a great policy.
Speaker 1: This one it's just a money grab. Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: seems like it's just an at hoc measure without any
Speaker 1: real solutions. Now this is interesting because Borderforce gave some
Speaker 1: twenty eight asylum seekers a modern speedboat for their return
Speaker 1: back to Indonesia after their original vessel was seized and
Speaker 1: destroyed in Australian waters. James, Look, the word would well
Speaker 1: and truly be out there now that you go. You
Speaker 1: come here. If your boat breaks down and has any issues,
Speaker 1: don't worry, will ferry you back. What message is this sending?
Speaker 14: Well, I think the message is you won't come to Australia.
Speaker 14: You'll be sent home. The only argument is how you're
Speaker 14: sent home. Back in twenty fourteen, I think Tony Abbott's
Speaker 14: policy was to put people on effectively enclosed lifeboats that
Speaker 14: were stopped with food and water to get you back
Speaker 14: to where you'd come from. The Albanezi government seems to
Speaker 14: be giving away speed boats. It's probably still cheaper than
Speaker 14: housing those twenty eight to thirty people at Naaru for
Speaker 14: god knows how long. But imagine if you could get
Speaker 14: to Australia by land. You could rock up in a
Speaker 14: dats in one ady B and be sent home in
Speaker 14: a mercedeshould with that.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be fantastic? What a revelation. Were almost out
Speaker 1: of time. But Andrew, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: Is it bizarre? And do you think that it's the
Speaker 1: taxpayer that's going to be footing the bill for this
Speaker 1: ferry service.
Speaker 13: I just think it's hilarious. After nine years of denigrating
Speaker 13: the previous government for boat turnbacks, they've suddenly woken up
Speaker 13: to the fact that this actually works. I mean, this
Speaker 13: policy is not pleasant, right, it's not pleasant enacting this policy,
Speaker 13: but it is so effective to stop what would be
Speaker 13: in a martter of boats coming to this country, clogging
Speaker 13: up our court system and filling up our immigration detention centers.
Speaker 13: Thank goodness they've worken up to this good point.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point, Andrew Carswell, James McPherson, we have
Speaker 1: to leave it there. Thank you so much to both
Speaker 1: of you for your insights this evening were coming up.
Speaker 1: Democrats continue to stand by Joe Biden as his family
Speaker 1: urge him to stay the course after that disastrous debate
Speaker 1: performance that's next welcome back. Well, after resembling a sick,
Speaker 1: mumbling and bubbling space cadet during the US presidential debate,
Speaker 1: it seems Democrats are rallying around Joe Biden. How can
Speaker 1: they seriously back this man to take them to November
Speaker 1: and even more concerningly, for another term.
Speaker 15: Nice to get away with you yet rid of the
Speaker 15: ability of medicare, to for the ability for the US
Speaker 15: to be able to do with the with the COVID,
Speaker 15: I could be with dealing with everything we have to
Speaker 15: do with. Look if we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 1: Oh it's uncomfortable, isn't it now? As expected, the Democrats
Speaker 1: are in damage control while the President spends the weekend
Speaker 1: at Camp David desperately trying to shield him from more
Speaker 1: stumbles and slip ups, and to no surprise, voter confidence
Speaker 1: in Biden since the debate is down. According to a
Speaker 1: CBS you Gav Pohl, twenty seven percent of registered voters
Speaker 1: believe the president has the mental and cognitive health does
Speaker 1: not have it rather to run again for more, Let's
Speaker 1: bring in Sky News contributor Kosher Garda Kosher good to
Speaker 1: see you as always. Look, there is no way surely
Speaker 1: that the Democrats can continue with Biden to November. How
Speaker 1: do you see this playing out?
Speaker 11: You know, I think what happened last week last Friday
Speaker 11: Anika in this debate was a convergence of two big groups.
Speaker 11: Convergence of the high information concer of news and media
Speaker 11: who really knew this and it wasn't a surprise to
Speaker 11: them in terms of the cognitive decline of Biden and
Speaker 11: this other group of just everyday people who aren't in
Speaker 11: the weeds, and for them, I think this was quite
Speaker 11: a shock. The dam has broken, and that's why all
Speaker 11: the smart money says that they are going to try
Speaker 11: and change him out. It's not so simple. There is
Speaker 11: a process for it, but it's not as straightforward. There
Speaker 11: are many states where ballot deadlines to switch out a
Speaker 11: name have passed. There is a financial component where I
Speaker 11: think he's raised. Biden has raised almost up to two
Speaker 11: billion dollars, which cannot just automatically be transferred to somebody else.
Speaker 11: There's fec laws around that. And then politically there's the
Speaker 11: problem of his vice president, and you know, if you
Speaker 11: sidestep her with somebody else, a white male who in
Speaker 11: this party has crafted themselves around identity as a key
Speaker 11: factor in who they choose. That's another issue that they've
Speaker 11: got to get through. Notwithstanding that smart money seems to
Speaker 11: be that that's what they're going to try to do
Speaker 11: in this August convention.
Speaker 1: The pressure is on.
Speaker 11: There is not consensus with the Democrats, but it seems
Speaker 11: to be had in that direction.
Speaker 1: Well, there's been those reports, of course, that there's crisis
Speaker 1: talks happening at Camp David about what happens next. I
Speaker 1: want to ask you, though, there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: criticism leveled at Jill Biden, particularly, there's been some suggestions
Speaker 1: that she's the one actually pushing for him to continue
Speaker 1: in the race. Do you think that that criticism of
Speaker 1: her is fair in the context.
Speaker 11: You know, it appears to be. She really did not
Speaker 11: come out looking well at any of the past events
Speaker 11: where we've seen Biden's struggle on a human level. You know,
Speaker 11: I've got a lot of friends who are not in
Speaker 11: the weeds. They don't live and breathe the stuff the
Speaker 11: way you and I do. And the one thing they
Speaker 11: said to me after consistently after watching the debate was
Speaker 11: how could somebody do that? It was passing judgment, but
Speaker 11: how could a wife do that if somebody is at
Speaker 11: that level of cognitive decline, which we've all experienced, some
Speaker 11: family member another go through. And so I don't think
Speaker 11: that she's coming across very well from a human perspective,
Speaker 11: fairly or not. I think first Leady macbeth was trending
Speaker 11: on Twitter after the debate, which kind of gives sense
Speaker 11: of where some people are. Others see her as as
Speaker 11: very loyal, and she's she's saying that, you know, he
Speaker 11: is the rightful nominee. He won all the necessary delegates
Speaker 11: through their process, and she's not going to be pressured
Speaker 11: into having him stand down. So it depends how you
Speaker 11: look at it, but I think net she is not
Speaker 11: coming across well, just on a human level. To most
Speaker 11: people that I've spoken to, how.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Trump camp would be feeling after
Speaker 1: the debatement. They didn't really have to do much. I
Speaker 1: think Joe Biden certainly showed his lack of credibility by himself.
Speaker 1: But do you think that they would be thinking, well,
Speaker 1: this is a win. I mean, Trump's got his own issues.
Speaker 1: How do you think they'll be feeling.
Speaker 11: I think they saw it as definitely a win, just
Speaker 11: in terms of that convergence that I mentioned of the
Speaker 11: high information consumers and low information consumers coming together. He
Speaker 11: really laid bare or ripped the mask off for the
Speaker 11: wide swath of the public. Something like fifty million people
Speaker 11: tuned in live and another two hundred plus million people
Speaker 11: on the various social media platforms watch those key clips that.
Speaker 1: Went viral afterwards.
Speaker 11: So this is now out in the open, the cognitive
Speaker 11: decline issue, and that can only help him. On the
Speaker 11: other hand, you know, many would say that the Trump
Speaker 11: camp gave Joe Biden a free pass because typically the
Speaker 11: debates don't happen in June this early, when the nominees
Speaker 11: aren't officially confirmed, and if he ends up not being
Speaker 11: the nominee. Then Trump has debated somebody who's not even
Speaker 11: the nominee. So there is an argument that it happened
Speaker 11: too soon, and if this leads to a switch out
Speaker 11: with somebody more formidable, then that could potentially backfire for him.
Speaker 11: But I think net he felt that it was time,
Speaker 11: or the Trump team felt it was time to expose
Speaker 11: this very blatant issue to the American people, and you
Speaker 11: know that's the move he made. And right now he's
Speaker 11: only up, up and up in the polls ince that debate.
Speaker 1: Well, he certainly, you know, he didn't even have to try. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Biden struggled from the very moment he
Speaker 1: opened his mouth. Do you think that we will see
Speaker 1: another debate between the two of them or is it
Speaker 1: safe to say it's all but rolled out.
Speaker 11: I would be surprised right now that officially there's going
Speaker 11: to be this debate in September, And as of this present, Biden,
Speaker 11: as defiant, says he's not backing out of the nomination
Speaker 11: and he will.
Speaker 1: Do that debate.
Speaker 11: I'm not sure that it's in the interests of the
Speaker 11: Trump team to do another debate because it'll be more
Speaker 11: of the same and they accomplish their goal of exposing
Speaker 11: the feebleness and the cognitive decline of the president to
Speaker 11: the American people, and I'm not sure that there's any
Speaker 11: merit or value in them doing another one in September.
Speaker 11: If they switch Biden out, of course, then it's a
Speaker 11: whole other ballgame.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Look, before we let you go, the younger
Speaker 1: and now convicted Biden has spoken out to support his father.
Speaker 1: Hunter is pushing for his father to stay in the
Speaker 1: race and claims that it was a bad night for
Speaker 1: him and he wishes that people could see the scrappy
Speaker 1: and command of the facts man he knows. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine that the support of a recent convict is going
Speaker 1: to do much for the US president either, but I
Speaker 1: guess we can't be surprised that the family is rallying
Speaker 1: around Biden at this point.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's something about family solidarity and loyalty that has
Speaker 11: an appeal and on a human level, people can understand
Speaker 11: that and appreciate that Hunter by and obviously is a
Speaker 11: very checkered has a very checkered reputation in the public
Speaker 11: eye right now, as do many of the other Bidens
Speaker 11: in the family. Some cynical people are saying that a
Speaker 11: part of the reason is self preservation because he is
Speaker 11: a convicted felon. Now, he's got another case on the
Speaker 11: docket in September, and if his father remains president, then
Speaker 11: there's a pathway to receiving a pardon for any sentence
Speaker 11: that he would serve. Even though the President said he
Speaker 11: would not pardon him, that remains. So maybe that's coloring it.
Speaker 11: Maybe it's a mix of family solidarity. Who knows, but
Speaker 11: I agree with you, I don't think that's going to
Speaker 11: move the needle much in terms of regaining the faith
Speaker 11: of the American people.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you what. It's been a fascinating few days,
Speaker 1: but that debate was just uncomfortable from start to end.
Speaker 1: Kosha Ghana. Great to have you on. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Pleasure. That's all we've got time
Speaker 1: for today. I'll be back again at eight pm tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: It stay tuned. Paul Murray is up next.