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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle comments and in this episode I speak with celebrity

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Speaker 2: chef Pete Evans.

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Speaker 3: I took a lot of recreational drugs. Why didn't you

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Speaker 3: go on sixty minutes and sit across from somebody that

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Speaker 3: you know is going to do a headshet job on

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Speaker 3: you and share and the Nazi sign, which I did,

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Speaker 3: the diet Trump's physical activity one hundred times. That's we're

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Speaker 3: here to create, the here to dream, We're here to

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Speaker 3: do that. It was a coordinated attack, mate, Like it

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Speaker 3: wasn't just fucking out.

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Speaker 4: Of the blue.

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Speaker 2: We'll start off with you telling me about you know,

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Speaker 2: growing up, and then how you got into being a

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Speaker 2: chef and all like that, and yeah, we'll get into

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Speaker 2: the nitty gritty of it all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I'll try not to bore too many

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Speaker 5: The story of me.

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Speaker 3: But see you asked, I will answer as concisely as possible.

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Speaker 3: So I grew up in Victoria until I was seven.

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Speaker 3: Then parents separated, moved up to the Gold Coast with

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Speaker 3: my mum. She remarried, and I got to experience what

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Speaker 3: life was like living near the beach, which I resisted

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Speaker 3: ocean from an early early childhood, I guess experience. And

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Speaker 3: my brother was a surf He was nine years older

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Speaker 5: So I faced the.

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Speaker 3: Fear, and everything basically changed for me once I discovered surfing.

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Speaker 3: I think I was about thirteen fourteen when I first

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Speaker 3: caught my first wave, and up until that point, I

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Speaker 3: was what you would consider, I guess a nerd at school.

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Speaker 3: You know, I enjoyed mathematics, science, numbers, all of these

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Speaker 3: things have made sense. And then when I discovered surfing,

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Speaker 3: it just opened up a whole new reality for me.

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Speaker 3: You know, I learned to have fun, and I learned

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Speaker 3: to have fun by myself and with others, because up

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Speaker 3: until that point I was quite insular and very very shy.

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Speaker 3: And the ocean taught me so much about facing fear

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Speaker 3: and that life is always changing, very much like the

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Speaker 3: ocean is. You know, no two days are identical in

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Speaker 3: a great metaphor for my life to be able to

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Speaker 3: ride the waves of life. So the young Pete Evans

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Speaker 3: is fourteen, discovers a passion, you know, finding the things

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Speaker 3: of I guess adrenaline street, yeah, adrenaline sports, and I

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Speaker 3: thrive on. I used to drive in that environment of

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Speaker 5: Out of plades, go down the mound, to learn different have.

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Speaker 3: Different funds and different ways of having fun and pushing

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Speaker 3: ourselves into that position of that, oh fuck, I could

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Speaker 3: experience with psychedelic journeys and going through the death process.

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Speaker 3: We could talk about that a bit more, but I've

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Speaker 3: always quite enjoyed seeing where my boundaries are. And as

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Speaker 3: when I started my apprenticeshi because I didn't want to

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Speaker 3: go to school. The nerd Pete sort of fell away

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Speaker 3: to the adventurous Pete and learning to cook was again

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Speaker 3: a huge challenge for me because back thirty five years

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Speaker 3: industry and the restaurant industry is quite militant, quite tough.

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Speaker 3: I won't say quite tough, it's fucking tough. Like anybody

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Speaker 3: myself again facing fear, learning what my boundaries are. And

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Speaker 3: during that process I've been for ten twenty years. My

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Speaker 1: Who started you cooking? How did you start cooking?

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Speaker 2: From like being all this adrenaline kid and then all

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Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to. As I said, I didn't want

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Speaker 3: different trades that were available to do an apprenticeship, so mechanic, builder, plumber, electrician, hairdresser, butcher,

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Speaker 3: feed myself. Number two, I knew that I'd be able

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Speaker 3: Because the cooking industry is an international industry where people

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Speaker 3: day all night. So that led us into open restaurants,

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Speaker 3: TV screens, which then led me to face another fear,

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Speaker 1: Did you like the limelight? Did you? Or did you

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Speaker 3: It's such an interesting it's such a paradox, you know,

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Speaker 3: So so for me, that wasn't really the journey of

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Speaker 3: It's what I think of myself that matters. And everybody

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Speaker 3: I said, I reckon, I can do a better job

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Speaker 3: what a well run kitchen be. Because I've always liked systems,

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Speaker 3: eventually they gave me the green light, which I'm eternally

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Speaker 4: Give me that opportunity.

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Speaker 3: And then subsequently I became an equal shareholder in that

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Speaker 2: When when you're going back to Hugo's Lounge and when

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Speaker 2: You goes to me when I remember Hugoes, you goes

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Speaker 4: It was fun.

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Speaker 2: such and such from Liverpool Football Club in the UK.

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00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: We're all out on tour at the moment and we

438
00:25:46,041 --> 00:25:50,481
Speaker 2: want to come to your venue to bring the players

439
00:25:50,521 --> 00:25:52,721
Speaker 2: after a training session and they're on tour over here.

440
00:25:53,041 --> 00:25:54,481
Speaker 2: This is how many of yous are there? And I says,

441
00:25:54,481 --> 00:25:56,321
Speaker 2: there's nine of us. I said who are you and

442
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,481
Speaker 2: I said Robbie Fowler and they said Robbie Fowler. I said, yes,

443
00:25:59,561 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm a well known soccer player. I'm just trying to

444
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: organize this for all the players. Yes, no worries, we

445
00:26:04,001 --> 00:26:07,041
Speaker 2: will see you later. Uh mister Fowler. I turned up,

446
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: I know where to a lie. I walked up the stairs.

447
00:26:09,961 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: I said, I've called up forward. My name is Robbie Fowler.

448
00:26:13,521 --> 00:26:16,241
Speaker 2: They said, oh, yes, we know you do. We've got

449
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: a table ready for you where all the players are

450
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,761
Speaker 2: coming in this. I named all these players who played

451
00:26:21,761 --> 00:26:23,521
Speaker 2: in the in the in the Premier League, but they

452
00:26:23,561 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: went then players and that's the only way I got in.

453
00:26:26,201 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 2: That's the first time I ever felt I stepped foot

454
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Speaker 2: into Hugo land.

455
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 3: Where there's will, there's away, you know, and again talking about.

456
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 5: I'm going to bring that into reality.

457
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,561
Speaker 2: But five years later, when I started working in the Cross,

458
00:26:45,041 --> 00:26:48,481
Speaker 2: I came across the door host and I.

459
00:26:48,481 --> 00:26:50,681
Speaker 1: Just went, I hope he doesn't remember what I did.

460
00:26:56,721 --> 00:26:58,601
Speaker 1: He needs to know now that I'm Neil Cummings. I'm

461
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: not Robbie Fowler. So but he never never recognized me.

462
00:27:03,321 --> 00:27:04,481
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a true story.

463
00:27:04,521 --> 00:27:07,521
Speaker 3: Though I heard a few people used to have trouble

464
00:27:07,561 --> 00:27:09,721
Speaker 3: getting in there, and I don't even in my mates.

465
00:27:09,721 --> 00:27:11,761
Speaker 3: I just say, if you book a table for the

466
00:27:11,801 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: restaurant and have a meal and just stay, stay on,

467
00:27:14,921 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: you know.

468
00:27:15,561 --> 00:27:17,561
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was.

469
00:27:17,761 --> 00:27:21,481
Speaker 3: It was a beautiful fun time and yeah, I hate

470
00:27:21,521 --> 00:27:22,881
Speaker 3: cred some great memories there.

471
00:27:22,961 --> 00:27:23,481
Speaker 4: That's sure.

472
00:27:24,761 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: You've now got out the industry. And then twenty ten

473
00:27:29,521 --> 00:27:33,521
Speaker 2: you stay, you get the chance to become a TV chef.

474
00:27:34,281 --> 00:27:36,481
Speaker 4: Hmm, yeah, how was that?

475
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: How was how did that come about?

476
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:44,201
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just recapping what I said before. So when

477
00:27:44,321 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: Hugos gained popularity, the celebrity chef phenomenon kicked off in

478
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,401
Speaker 3: the UK with Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson and Ainsley

479
00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:57,361
Speaker 3: Harriet and some of these old school names Gordon Ramsey

480
00:27:58,041 --> 00:28:02,241
Speaker 3: and so when when there's a wave of something that

481
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:06,601
Speaker 3: ripples through, you know, other other territory in Australia, the

482
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,961
Speaker 3: TV landscape was like, we need to capitalize and create

483
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,041
Speaker 3: our own version of the celebrity chef format teaching people

484
00:28:15,481 --> 00:28:19,401
Speaker 3: these types of recipes. So I was asked to audition

485
00:28:19,481 --> 00:28:23,561
Speaker 3: and I turned it down first because that was my

486
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,001
Speaker 3: greatest fear, was being seen. I loved being in the

487
00:28:27,041 --> 00:28:29,041
Speaker 3: kitchen because I was sort of hidden behind there and

488
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,721
Speaker 3: my brother and business partners they were front of house,

489
00:28:31,761 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: so they liked the game of showmanship, whereas I didn't.

490
00:28:35,001 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: Like the game of showmanship at that time.

491
00:28:37,241 --> 00:28:40,161
Speaker 3: So I turned them down, and then a week or

492
00:28:40,201 --> 00:28:42,041
Speaker 3: two later they called me back and said, look, we

493
00:28:42,121 --> 00:28:47,081
Speaker 3: really would like you to audition. And generally i'd known

494
00:28:47,201 --> 00:28:52,441
Speaker 3: enough through my earlier work of some of these sort

495
00:28:52,481 --> 00:28:59,081
Speaker 3: of spiritual self help, motivational empowerment sort of books that

496
00:28:59,121 --> 00:29:02,641
Speaker 3: I read and workshops that i'd done that when something

497
00:29:02,721 --> 00:29:06,081
Speaker 3: knocks on your door twice for the same thing, that's

498
00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:09,001
Speaker 3: usually a pretty fucking good sign that there's a path

499
00:29:09,041 --> 00:29:12,881
Speaker 3: here for you to you know, at least open the

500
00:29:12,881 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: door and have a look in and experience and if

501
00:29:14,721 --> 00:29:17,001
Speaker 3: you don't like it, then at least you've experienced it.

502
00:29:17,041 --> 00:29:19,161
Speaker 3: Whereas I was at that point was I don't even

503
00:29:19,281 --> 00:29:22,161
Speaker 3: want to experience and I'm too scared to experience that.

504
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,801
Speaker 3: So when they called me back the second time, I was, fuck, okay,

505
00:29:26,601 --> 00:29:30,001
Speaker 3: I'll go do the audition just to show up for

506
00:29:30,081 --> 00:29:32,681
Speaker 3: myself so I can at least say that I've done it.

507
00:29:33,161 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: And then lo and behold, I did the audition, and

508
00:29:35,201 --> 00:29:37,601
Speaker 3: then then I got the job, and then I was like, oh, fuck,

509
00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:39,761
Speaker 3: but this.

510
00:29:40,241 --> 00:29:42,601
Speaker 5: Is going to become real very very soon.

511
00:29:43,481 --> 00:29:47,161
Speaker 3: And I was, without a word of allied, the worst

512
00:29:47,161 --> 00:29:48,641
Speaker 3: TV presenter that.

513
00:29:48,761 --> 00:29:49,881
Speaker 4: I have ever seen.

514
00:29:51,441 --> 00:29:55,841
Speaker 3: So that was that was very humbling to watch yourself

515
00:29:55,921 --> 00:29:59,121
Speaker 3: back and know how terrible.

516
00:29:58,761 --> 00:29:59,721
Speaker 4: You are at something.

517
00:30:00,441 --> 00:30:04,961
Speaker 3: But what gave me the strength to persevere with that

518
00:30:05,041 --> 00:30:07,801
Speaker 3: that was going back to when I started cooking and

519
00:30:08,041 --> 00:30:11,681
Speaker 3: starting surfing and starting other projects for the very first time,

520
00:30:12,241 --> 00:30:14,761
Speaker 3: and knowing how bad I was. But then you get

521
00:30:14,761 --> 00:30:18,961
Speaker 3: these huge growth spurts when we try something new. So

522
00:30:19,001 --> 00:30:22,401
Speaker 3: I knew that all I needed to do was persevere

523
00:30:22,401 --> 00:30:24,841
Speaker 3: at this and give it my all and just go

524
00:30:24,921 --> 00:30:29,241
Speaker 3: in there and focus and my goal, as I said, earlier.

525
00:30:29,401 --> 00:30:31,281
Speaker 3: My goal was to get to the point where I

526
00:30:31,281 --> 00:30:35,361
Speaker 3: wouldn't be self conscious or fearful or scared or insecure

527
00:30:35,921 --> 00:30:40,241
Speaker 3: in any environment where I had to be seen public speaking.

528
00:30:40,801 --> 00:30:46,801
Speaker 3: And I remember I've been on doing TV. It was

529
00:30:46,841 --> 00:30:50,881
Speaker 3: only very I was doing like seven or ten episodes

530
00:30:50,921 --> 00:30:52,681
Speaker 3: a year at the start, so I wasn't it wasn't

531
00:30:52,681 --> 00:30:53,241
Speaker 3: full time.

532
00:30:53,321 --> 00:30:57,601
Speaker 4: It was just very part time, very casual. I ended

533
00:30:57,641 --> 00:30:59,081
Speaker 4: up doing full time sort of.

534
00:31:00,881 --> 00:31:05,001
Speaker 3: About seven or eight or ten years into my TV.

535
00:31:06,721 --> 00:31:07,281
Speaker 4: Timeline.

536
00:31:08,281 --> 00:31:13,161
Speaker 3: But I remember I did an event in La, just

537
00:31:13,161 --> 00:31:16,521
Speaker 3: a cooking event called get a La, and I was

538
00:31:16,561 --> 00:31:20,041
Speaker 3: the celebrity chef doing food for a thousand ossies that

539
00:31:20,121 --> 00:31:23,161
Speaker 3: were celebrating Australian celebrities and businesses.

540
00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:25,401
Speaker 4: It was part of Quanscious back then, and.

541
00:31:25,441 --> 00:31:30,121
Speaker 3: Richard Wilkins was the MC and I was behind backstage.

542
00:31:30,241 --> 00:31:32,921
Speaker 3: They were about to bring me out to talk about

543
00:31:32,921 --> 00:31:35,001
Speaker 3: the menu in front of a thousand people or six

544
00:31:35,121 --> 00:31:36,721
Speaker 3: hundred by down even know how many people. There was

545
00:31:36,761 --> 00:31:42,721
Speaker 3: a lot of fucking people and toity toity type people,

546
00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:48,361
Speaker 3: you know, and I was shit scared. I asked Richard.

547
00:31:49,121 --> 00:31:51,921
Speaker 3: Only met Richard that day, I think it was, And

548
00:31:51,961 --> 00:31:54,401
Speaker 3: I said, do you get scared, mate, like going out

549
00:31:54,401 --> 00:31:57,641
Speaker 3: on stage. You've been doing this for twenty thirty years.

550
00:31:58,081 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, I still get nervous. And when he

551
00:32:02,361 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: said that, I was like, fuck, I do want I

552
00:32:06,041 --> 00:32:09,321
Speaker 3: do not want to be nervous when I've been doing

553
00:32:09,361 --> 00:32:13,361
Speaker 3: this for thirty years. So that that changed that that

554
00:32:13,441 --> 00:32:15,401
Speaker 3: one thing that he said that he gets nervous. I

555
00:32:15,441 --> 00:32:18,361
Speaker 3: was like, no, I am not going to be nervous

556
00:32:18,361 --> 00:32:20,081
Speaker 3: when I'm your age and if I'm still asked to

557
00:32:20,081 --> 00:32:23,321
Speaker 3: do this, I will conquer this as quickly as I can.

558
00:32:23,641 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: And I got to that point where I conquered that

559
00:32:26,921 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: fear and put myself into situations where I had to

560
00:32:32,841 --> 00:32:36,401
Speaker 3: get to that point of complete comfort no matter what.

561
00:32:37,081 --> 00:32:41,201
Speaker 3: And you know, I continue to put myself in those situations.

562
00:32:42,401 --> 00:32:45,801
Speaker 3: I remember when when COVID happened, I had a call

563
00:32:45,881 --> 00:32:48,841
Speaker 3: from sixty Minutes because they were talking about they wanted

564
00:32:48,881 --> 00:32:51,881
Speaker 3: to do an episode about COVID conspiracies right at the start,

565
00:32:52,001 --> 00:32:56,681
Speaker 3: even before the vaccines were brought out. And you know,

566
00:32:56,921 --> 00:33:00,081
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well, if you think you have

567
00:33:00,241 --> 00:33:04,361
Speaker 3: conquered this fear of being judged and seen, you know,

568
00:33:05,161 --> 00:33:07,321
Speaker 3: and you go on sixty Minutes and sit across from

569
00:33:07,321 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: somebody that you know is going to do a hatchet

570
00:33:09,801 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: job on you and make you out to be a

571
00:33:13,521 --> 00:33:17,441
Speaker 3: crazy person in the face of the Australian public. And

572
00:33:18,081 --> 00:33:22,761
Speaker 3: I'm willing to do that to test myself because and

573
00:33:23,201 --> 00:33:26,681
Speaker 3: I loved it. You know, I enjoyed that experience because

574
00:33:28,361 --> 00:33:31,441
Speaker 3: in my perception, I was the comfortable one in that.

575
00:33:33,681 --> 00:33:37,961
Speaker 3: It's not so much thriving, it's it's the experience of

576
00:33:38,841 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: can I be comfortable in this experience? And I have

577
00:33:42,801 --> 00:33:46,801
Speaker 3: to say I was very comfortable in that experience, which

578
00:33:47,281 --> 00:33:51,001
Speaker 3: again prove to me that I am at that point

579
00:33:51,121 --> 00:33:55,641
Speaker 3: and I'd be very comfortable in front of anybody interviewing

580
00:33:55,641 --> 00:33:59,121
Speaker 3: me on any topic at any time with no preparation,

581
00:33:59,641 --> 00:34:03,401
Speaker 3: even if it was to do a hatchet job on

582
00:34:03,481 --> 00:34:06,561
Speaker 3: me and paint me in a in a poor light

583
00:34:07,881 --> 00:34:13,081
Speaker 3: for their agenda, you know, because none of that can

584
00:34:13,161 --> 00:34:16,961
Speaker 3: hurt me, None of the lines that they've spin out

585
00:34:16,961 --> 00:34:19,441
Speaker 3: there and in the media world can can hurt me

586
00:34:19,961 --> 00:34:22,681
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form, you know, because all

587
00:34:23,121 --> 00:34:25,641
Speaker 3: it does is show the game for what it is.

588
00:34:26,041 --> 00:34:27,001
Speaker 4: You know, people that.

589
00:34:27,041 --> 00:34:30,241
Speaker 2: Lie, do you think because I have my opinion, you

590
00:34:30,241 --> 00:34:33,041
Speaker 2: have your opinion. Everyone's free of speech. Do you think

591
00:34:33,081 --> 00:34:37,401
Speaker 2: that's why everyone hounded you at a certain time when

592
00:34:37,401 --> 00:34:39,921
Speaker 2: you did come forward and you just wanted to talk

593
00:34:39,961 --> 00:34:42,601
Speaker 2: it up or how you felt, like back in twenty

594
00:34:42,761 --> 00:34:45,801
Speaker 2: seventeen and you've done that documentary on Netflix for that

595
00:34:45,841 --> 00:34:48,201
Speaker 2: magic pill, you know, and everyone just went on your

596
00:34:48,281 --> 00:34:50,121
Speaker 2: case for it, and it's like, what the fuck, like,

597
00:34:50,201 --> 00:34:51,881
Speaker 2: just leave them alone, you know what I mean? Like,

598
00:34:51,961 --> 00:34:54,161
Speaker 2: it's just do you think you just got hounded?

599
00:34:55,081 --> 00:34:59,081
Speaker 3: The simplest way to paint the picture for the hounding,

600
00:34:59,121 --> 00:35:03,241
Speaker 3: as you call it, and this is this is factual

601
00:35:03,441 --> 00:35:09,161
Speaker 3: soronic illness in the Western world is diet and lifestyle

602
00:35:09,201 --> 00:35:13,841
Speaker 3: related eighty percent, right, And a lot of people would

603
00:35:13,881 --> 00:35:16,441
Speaker 3: have you believe that it's you have to work out

604
00:35:16,521 --> 00:35:21,721
Speaker 3: and run marathons and be fit to change that, right,

605
00:35:21,961 --> 00:35:23,801
Speaker 3: like shows like The Biggest Loser and all of this

606
00:35:23,961 --> 00:35:26,881
Speaker 3: type of brainwashing that's out there about it. And I'm

607
00:35:26,921 --> 00:35:31,281
Speaker 3: not saying physical activity isn't important, but diet trumps physical

608
00:35:31,281 --> 00:35:34,561
Speaker 3: activity one hundred times. So if we can if we

609
00:35:34,681 --> 00:35:38,761
Speaker 3: change our diet, what into a species specific diet one

610
00:35:38,801 --> 00:35:41,761
Speaker 3: that or an anti inflammatory diet, right, because most people

611
00:35:41,761 --> 00:35:44,321
Speaker 3: are inflamed. That's where the eighty percent of chronic illness

612
00:35:44,321 --> 00:35:46,801
Speaker 3: comes from from inflammation, So how do we get rid

613
00:35:46,801 --> 00:35:49,841
Speaker 3: of the inflammation in the body. The inflammation is generally

614
00:35:50,121 --> 00:35:53,721
Speaker 3: caused ninety nine percent in my opinion, through the diet

615
00:35:53,881 --> 00:35:57,201
Speaker 3: choices and the drinks that we consume into our bodies.

616
00:35:57,281 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: Right.

617
00:35:58,321 --> 00:36:00,921
Speaker 3: The great thing about when you change your diet, you

618
00:36:00,921 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: will have more energy and vitality to play the things

619
00:36:04,481 --> 00:36:07,041
Speaker 3: that you want to pla and do the movements or

620
00:36:07,041 --> 00:36:10,401
Speaker 3: the exercises that bring you joy instead of killing yourself

621
00:36:10,521 --> 00:36:14,121
Speaker 3: stressing your body in the gym doing a workout, that

622
00:36:14,521 --> 00:36:17,121
Speaker 3: is going to create more inflammation in the body. Right,

623
00:36:17,281 --> 00:36:20,801
Speaker 3: And that's not a blanket statement. It's just some people

624
00:36:20,881 --> 00:36:22,921
Speaker 3: put a lot of stress on their body and that

625
00:36:22,961 --> 00:36:26,081
Speaker 3: causes inflammation on it too. So the easiest, the lowest

626
00:36:26,121 --> 00:36:30,561
Speaker 3: hanging fruit part in the palm is understand what fuels

627
00:36:30,601 --> 00:36:33,321
Speaker 3: your body the best and then adopt that if you

628
00:36:33,361 --> 00:36:38,921
Speaker 3: want to improve your health. So if eighty percent of

629
00:36:39,041 --> 00:36:47,601
Speaker 3: chronic illness can be eliminated, reversed, stopped by diet choices,

630
00:36:48,921 --> 00:36:52,321
Speaker 3: could you imagine what would happen if the hospital system

631
00:36:52,601 --> 00:36:56,761
Speaker 3: had eighty percent less patients in it starting next year?

632
00:36:57,641 --> 00:37:03,921
Speaker 3: What would happen to the doctor's GPS specialist if eight

633
00:37:04,081 --> 00:37:06,641
Speaker 3: out of ten people no longer needed to see them

634
00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:09,201
Speaker 3: as often as they see them because they're not getting

635
00:37:09,241 --> 00:37:13,281
Speaker 3: fucking sick. Now, think about this on a bigger scale.

636
00:37:13,561 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: What would happen to the pharmaceutical industry if they lost

637
00:37:18,561 --> 00:37:22,601
Speaker 3: eighty percent of their clients within the space of a year.

638
00:37:23,481 --> 00:37:28,881
Speaker 3: Now we expand that out into the mainstream media around

639
00:37:28,881 --> 00:37:32,881
Speaker 3: the world. What would happen if eighty percent of their

640
00:37:32,921 --> 00:37:38,401
Speaker 3: revenue disappeared because multinational food companies are no longer have

641
00:37:38,521 --> 00:37:42,321
Speaker 3: the money to advertise because nobody's buying their ship, or

642
00:37:42,361 --> 00:37:44,801
Speaker 3: the pharmaceutical companies in different parts of the world are

643
00:37:44,841 --> 00:37:51,401
Speaker 3: advertising their products into online or print or digital formats.

644
00:37:51,881 --> 00:37:54,081
Speaker 3: Then we expand that out a little bit more into

645
00:37:54,561 --> 00:37:59,681
Speaker 3: the mainstream media, will be that it's already fucking dying anyway.

646
00:37:59,761 --> 00:38:04,241
Speaker 3: We're seeing, you know, the TV networks all around the world,

647
00:38:04,281 --> 00:38:07,641
Speaker 3: they're losing viewers because they're not reporting the news. That's

648
00:38:07,641 --> 00:38:11,001
Speaker 3: why Joe Rogan, Tucker Kulsen, They're actually talking about.

649
00:38:10,761 --> 00:38:12,961
Speaker 4: Important stuff and not just fucking propaganda.

650
00:38:13,481 --> 00:38:17,841
Speaker 3: So then expand that out next to the agricultural companies

651
00:38:18,161 --> 00:38:22,321
Speaker 3: that poison the soils and poison the animals and poison

652
00:38:22,761 --> 00:38:26,281
Speaker 3: the foods that we eat. Because people would demand and

653
00:38:26,481 --> 00:38:31,921
Speaker 3: shift to organic, seasonal, regenerally, farm holistically, I can create

654
00:38:32,201 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: raised to all this sort of stuff that no longer

655
00:38:34,561 --> 00:38:38,921
Speaker 3: requires their toxic inputs. Now, what would happen then, Because

656
00:38:39,241 --> 00:38:42,321
Speaker 3: that's going to heal the planet as well, heal the soils.

657
00:38:42,441 --> 00:38:44,601
Speaker 4: People are going to get healthier. What would happen then.

658
00:38:44,521 --> 00:38:49,561
Speaker 3: To the lobbyists that lobby the government. The government system

659
00:38:49,601 --> 00:38:53,161
Speaker 3: would fucking change. The lobbyists would no longer be around

660
00:38:53,761 --> 00:38:58,041
Speaker 3: the whole landscape of the system that most of us

661
00:38:58,201 --> 00:39:03,281
Speaker 3: are blind to or ignorant of. It would all collapse

662
00:39:04,281 --> 00:39:07,121
Speaker 3: within the space a year or two. If people just

663
00:39:07,241 --> 00:39:13,121
Speaker 3: change their diet, en mass, everything would fucking change everything

664
00:39:13,641 --> 00:39:18,761
Speaker 3: that this system. You have to understand, like the medical

665
00:39:18,801 --> 00:39:22,121
Speaker 3: system fantastic for trauma, are fantastic. And I've always said

666
00:39:22,121 --> 00:39:26,041
Speaker 3: modern medicine ancient wisdom, natural wisdom, or natural therapies hand

667
00:39:26,081 --> 00:39:29,081
Speaker 3: in hand, you know, so the point where if you're

668
00:39:29,121 --> 00:39:31,401
Speaker 3: eating well, you probably don't even need natural therapies or

669
00:39:31,441 --> 00:39:33,881
Speaker 3: modern medicine except if you get hit by a car

670
00:39:33,961 --> 00:39:36,921
Speaker 3: or bitten by a shark or something life threatening. You know,

671
00:39:36,961 --> 00:39:38,921
Speaker 3: they're great fucking doctors are great at that.

672
00:39:38,881 --> 00:39:39,361
Speaker 4: Sort of shit.

673
00:39:39,921 --> 00:39:42,281
Speaker 3: Sometimes I surge you, they're great at that sort of stuff.

674
00:39:42,281 --> 00:39:46,761
Speaker 3: And the technical advances in medicine fantastic. Bring it on.

675
00:39:47,041 --> 00:39:52,881
Speaker 3: Let's create using it, you know, our minds to create things.

676
00:39:52,641 --> 00:39:53,521
Speaker 4: That are better for us.

677
00:39:54,001 --> 00:39:55,761
Speaker 3: But if you look around at the Western world at

678
00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:58,521
Speaker 3: the moment, you cannot say that we're a healthy fucking

679
00:39:58,561 --> 00:40:02,761
Speaker 3: species with all the technological advancements in science that we have.

680
00:40:03,361 --> 00:40:09,641
Speaker 3: So the hounding is because I had two million followers,

681
00:40:09,641 --> 00:40:12,561
Speaker 3: which were mainly in Australia, which is nearly ten percent

682
00:40:12,601 --> 00:40:17,121
Speaker 3: of the population, that were sharing my information about improving

683
00:40:17,161 --> 00:40:21,041
Speaker 3: health through dietary principles, and then COVID came wrong and

684
00:40:21,081 --> 00:40:25,561
Speaker 3: I was just like, hey, you know, there's corruption already

685
00:40:25,561 --> 00:40:30,841
Speaker 3: in the dietary bodies around the Western nations of food science.

686
00:40:31,441 --> 00:40:34,641
Speaker 3: We outlined that with our movie. We showed how science

687
00:40:34,681 --> 00:40:38,441
Speaker 3: can be bought. COVID came around, and hey, this is

688
00:40:38,561 --> 00:40:43,721
Speaker 3: just another version of another corruption of science. Be very

689
00:40:43,841 --> 00:40:47,761
Speaker 3: very careful about the information that has been pushed out.

690
00:40:48,681 --> 00:40:52,601
Speaker 3: My advice is to wait to research. You know, where

691
00:40:52,681 --> 00:40:55,761
Speaker 3: is the information about masking come from? You know, every

692
00:40:56,001 --> 00:40:58,761
Speaker 3: doctor that I spoke to said it doesn't work, so

693
00:40:58,881 --> 00:41:03,481
Speaker 3: mask somebody. Social distancing. Everybody was told to stand six

694
00:41:03,561 --> 00:41:06,561
Speaker 3: feet away from each other, you know, and subsequently, what

695
00:41:06,641 --> 00:41:09,201
Speaker 3: do we know now four years later, even though most

696
00:41:09,881 --> 00:41:13,401
Speaker 3: good doctors knew four years ago it was a made

697
00:41:13,481 --> 00:41:16,681
Speaker 3: up fucking concept that has no merit in whatsoever in

698
00:41:16,881 --> 00:41:20,801
Speaker 3: science whatsoever. Yet people would see a fucking line six

699
00:41:21,001 --> 00:41:25,401
Speaker 3: fucking feet away saying get away from me. We found

700
00:41:25,401 --> 00:41:29,441
Speaker 3: out that the safe and effective vaccines were not safe,

701
00:41:29,561 --> 00:41:33,121
Speaker 3: not effective for everybody. They weren't safe for everybody, but

702
00:41:33,161 --> 00:41:36,041
Speaker 3: they definitely weren't effective for anybody. All that bad information

703
00:41:36,121 --> 00:41:39,841
Speaker 3: has come out now, you know, and nobody can debate

704
00:41:39,881 --> 00:41:43,321
Speaker 3: it anymore because there's been peer review.

705
00:41:43,121 --> 00:41:44,881
Speaker 4: Studies that have all fucking come out. You know.

706
00:41:45,121 --> 00:41:48,361
Speaker 3: It's and the next thing that's going to happen, Bobby

707
00:41:48,441 --> 00:41:49,681
Speaker 3: Kennedy juniors in there.

708
00:41:50,561 --> 00:41:53,721
Speaker 4: Doctor uh.

709
00:41:54,601 --> 00:41:58,161
Speaker 3: They just appointed a new doctor jo At, a charitie

710
00:41:58,481 --> 00:42:01,961
Speaker 3: for the National Institutes of Health in the United States.

711
00:42:02,321 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: Donald Trump just appointed him, you know who. These two

712
00:42:05,521 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: were outspoken about the whole COVID nonsense. We are going

713
00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:13,681
Speaker 3: to see over the next four years the absolute truth

714
00:42:14,121 --> 00:42:18,241
Speaker 3: starting to filter out. And what is that going to do?

715
00:42:18,361 --> 00:42:18,561
Speaker 4: Then?

716
00:42:19,161 --> 00:42:24,121
Speaker 3: It's going to potentially snap people out of that state

717
00:42:24,241 --> 00:42:30,961
Speaker 3: to be more curious instead of just trusting the talking

718
00:42:31,041 --> 00:42:36,241
Speaker 3: heads that said you must do this to be safe,

719
00:42:37,001 --> 00:42:39,081
Speaker 3: because there are a lot of us that didn't do that.

720
00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:41,321
Speaker 3: And I don't judge anybody for taking it or not

721
00:42:41,401 --> 00:42:44,001
Speaker 3: taking it, or standing six feet away from anyone else

722
00:42:44,081 --> 00:42:45,001
Speaker 3: putting a mask.

723
00:42:44,841 --> 00:42:45,481
Speaker 4: On like you do.

724
00:42:45,601 --> 00:42:50,841
Speaker 3: You right, but understand that it was all a fucking lie.

725
00:42:51,561 --> 00:42:54,161
Speaker 3: It was all a lot and it still is. So

726
00:42:54,241 --> 00:42:57,961
Speaker 3: that the next time this comes around or something of

727
00:42:58,001 --> 00:43:01,121
Speaker 3: this nature where you have these experts coming in to

728
00:43:01,161 --> 00:43:03,921
Speaker 3: tell you to do something, and it could be something

729
00:43:03,921 --> 00:43:05,961
Speaker 3: to do with climate change, it could have something to

730
00:43:06,001 --> 00:43:08,161
Speaker 3: do with another virus, it could have something to do

731
00:43:08,201 --> 00:43:11,761
Speaker 3: with a cyber attack or this that who knows. You know,

732
00:43:12,121 --> 00:43:16,641
Speaker 3: you know they're probably thinking of something because they thought

733
00:43:16,681 --> 00:43:20,881
Speaker 3: of this to start with, that you might be more

734
00:43:21,001 --> 00:43:25,281
Speaker 3: curious next time and go, you know what, maybe maybe

735
00:43:25,321 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: I'll investigate this a bit further, and maybe I'll turn

736
00:43:29,001 --> 00:43:31,121
Speaker 3: on the Joe Rogan or the Tucker or the Neil

737
00:43:31,321 --> 00:43:36,081
Speaker 3: or the Pete or the whoever's out there that is

738
00:43:36,721 --> 00:43:41,721
Speaker 3: sharing some information that is the opposite from what these

739
00:43:41,761 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: other people are sharing because they've I think they've shot

740
00:43:45,481 --> 00:43:47,401
Speaker 3: themselves in the foot, to be honest with you, and

741
00:43:47,521 --> 00:43:49,601
Speaker 3: I celebrate them for it.

742
00:43:51,041 --> 00:43:53,241
Speaker 2: Because I only only because, like I remember when it

743
00:43:53,241 --> 00:43:55,681
Speaker 2: all came out, and I like, it wasn't just that you.

744
00:43:55,601 --> 00:43:58,081
Speaker 1: Were to me. I felt like you were just targeted.

745
00:43:58,241 --> 00:44:00,881
Speaker 2: They terminated your contract with the TV, and I thought,

746
00:44:00,881 --> 00:44:02,201
Speaker 2: this is harsh, you know what I mean?

747
00:44:02,241 --> 00:44:02,441
Speaker 1: Like it.

748
00:44:02,561 --> 00:44:05,001
Speaker 2: You know they all you did was say your view

749
00:44:05,241 --> 00:44:07,521
Speaker 2: and what you believed in, and then it was like

750
00:44:07,561 --> 00:44:10,081
Speaker 2: that everyone just went onto you.

751
00:44:10,121 --> 00:44:12,201
Speaker 1: It was just like fucking hell, just leave alone.

752
00:44:14,001 --> 00:44:16,441
Speaker 3: Oh well, well, they created this story that I was

753
00:44:16,441 --> 00:44:19,881
Speaker 3: in the Nazi that I shared a the a Nazi sign,

754
00:44:20,761 --> 00:44:25,641
Speaker 3: which I did, but I was what was that It

755
00:44:25,481 --> 00:44:28,881
Speaker 3: was a black black son on a caterpillar and I

756
00:44:28,921 --> 00:44:30,801
Speaker 3: just saw the Donald Trump hat and I thought it

757
00:44:30,841 --> 00:44:33,761
Speaker 3: was a funny fucking thing. I had no idea as

758
00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,201
Speaker 3: a fucking neo Nazi sign. I didn't even know what

759
00:44:36,521 --> 00:44:38,961
Speaker 3: Nasi was at the time. But you know, that was

760
00:44:39,001 --> 00:44:42,921
Speaker 3: the one thing that they it was like got him. Yeah,

761
00:44:42,961 --> 00:44:45,641
Speaker 3: fucking we've been waiting for this moment. You know, now

762
00:44:45,721 --> 00:44:49,841
Speaker 3: we can bring out the whole the Nazi, white supremacist,

763
00:44:49,921 --> 00:44:53,201
Speaker 3: fucking we've got him now, you know, we're going to

764
00:44:53,321 --> 00:44:55,921
Speaker 3: use this and pressure all of his business partners and

765
00:44:55,961 --> 00:44:59,681
Speaker 3: pressure anyone that that you cannot be associated with this

766
00:44:59,801 --> 00:45:02,721
Speaker 3: man anymore because and just for the record, I'm not

767
00:45:03,161 --> 00:45:05,201
Speaker 3: a neo Nazi. I never have been, never now it

768
00:45:05,241 --> 00:45:08,481
Speaker 3: will be. I love all cultures, I love all cuisines.

769
00:45:08,521 --> 00:45:12,881
Speaker 3: I respect everybody, every race and like and anybody that

770
00:45:13,001 --> 00:45:15,241
Speaker 3: knows the work that I do. Every cookbook that I've

771
00:45:15,241 --> 00:45:20,241
Speaker 3: ever released celebrates food from all different cultures, including the

772
00:45:20,321 --> 00:45:23,921
Speaker 3: Jewish culture, and my documentary is celebrate indigenous cultures from

773
00:45:23,961 --> 00:45:28,041
Speaker 3: all around the world. So on one part, it's so

774
00:45:28,321 --> 00:45:34,561
Speaker 3: ridiculous that people fell for that. Yeah, like, so ridiculous

775
00:45:35,361 --> 00:45:40,601
Speaker 3: that that could have that anybody could ever considered that

776
00:45:40,681 --> 00:45:43,401
Speaker 3: I would be a neo Nazi. Like, it's just it's

777
00:45:43,441 --> 00:45:44,961
Speaker 3: beyond ridiculous.

778
00:45:45,041 --> 00:45:48,401
Speaker 2: Well, even even from that though, retailers and your even

779
00:45:48,441 --> 00:45:50,601
Speaker 2: your publishers abandoned you.

780
00:45:50,601 --> 00:45:52,961
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Oh yeah, because they got.

781
00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:56,241
Speaker 1: Shouldn't they believed in you and know what you are

782
00:45:56,281 --> 00:45:57,921
Speaker 1: as a person because they be with you for so long.

783
00:45:58,561 --> 00:46:01,201
Speaker 3: Well, I think fear comes up for a lot of people, right,

784
00:46:01,601 --> 00:46:06,041
Speaker 3: and and I I respect the decision to do what

785
00:46:06,121 --> 00:46:11,201
Speaker 3: they did because they running a business, want to protect

786
00:46:11,241 --> 00:46:18,041
Speaker 3: their brand and their their integrity right and to have that.

787
00:46:18,441 --> 00:46:21,841
Speaker 3: It was a coordinated attack, mate. It wasn't just fucking

788
00:46:21,921 --> 00:46:26,521
Speaker 3: out of the blue. This was a coordinated attack because

789
00:46:27,361 --> 00:46:29,921
Speaker 3: within the space of twenty four hours, the fifteen business

790
00:46:30,001 --> 00:46:35,081
Speaker 3: partners I was involved with all pretty much publicly denounced me.

791
00:46:36,401 --> 00:46:38,641
Speaker 3: For that to happen, it has to be a coordinated

792
00:46:38,641 --> 00:46:42,281
Speaker 3: effort from some part party, and I don't know who

793
00:46:42,481 --> 00:46:48,361
Speaker 3: or what. But it wasn't like Pete fucked up, right,

794
00:46:48,801 --> 00:46:52,881
Speaker 3: It was like Pete fucked up, and let's go, let's

795
00:46:53,001 --> 00:46:55,881
Speaker 3: let's let's put the attack dogs onto this to to

796
00:46:57,601 --> 00:47:00,961
Speaker 3: dissuade anybody else that may want to stand up against

797
00:47:01,001 --> 00:47:03,481
Speaker 3: the vaccine, All this, that and the other that. This

798
00:47:03,561 --> 00:47:07,121
Speaker 3: is what we can do to somebody. So be good

799
00:47:07,121 --> 00:47:09,761
Speaker 3: boys and girls and just fucking go along with the engender.

800
00:47:09,761 --> 00:47:11,641
Speaker 3: Don't stick your head up even if you want to

801
00:47:11,681 --> 00:47:15,641
Speaker 3: speak out, because we will destroy financially destroy you. And

802
00:47:16,081 --> 00:47:18,921
Speaker 3: for me, it was just like fucking. I was like sweet,

803
00:47:19,561 --> 00:47:25,081
Speaker 3: like cool. Can I adapt to losing all that income?

804
00:47:25,401 --> 00:47:28,961
Speaker 3: Can I adapt to being known as a neo nazi

805
00:47:29,001 --> 00:47:32,841
Speaker 3: by the media? Can I adapt and be content and

806
00:47:33,041 --> 00:47:38,641
Speaker 3: neutral to this experience that's happening now. Like again, drawing

807
00:47:38,681 --> 00:47:42,001
Speaker 3: on those sort of difficult challenges that I've had in

808
00:47:42,001 --> 00:47:50,121
Speaker 3: the past, Can I walk with integrity while there's this

809
00:47:50,401 --> 00:47:54,441
Speaker 3: public persona out there of your your fucking the racist.

810
00:47:57,281 --> 00:47:59,641
Speaker 2: My next question would be to you, do you regret

811
00:47:59,721 --> 00:48:00,561
Speaker 2: that now or you don't?

812
00:48:01,081 --> 00:48:01,321
Speaker 5: Never?

813
00:48:01,441 --> 00:48:05,201
Speaker 3: No, I hold no regrets at all, never will, never have,

814
00:48:05,281 --> 00:48:09,161
Speaker 3: never will never have, never will That's that's that's my

815
00:48:09,761 --> 00:48:10,681
Speaker 3: that's my belief.

816
00:48:11,361 --> 00:48:13,041
Speaker 1: But you know, from all you know, from all this,

817
00:48:13,481 --> 00:48:15,801
Speaker 1: as all your friends, from all like.

818
00:48:17,001 --> 00:48:20,121
Speaker 2: I don't know how close you were to people that

819
00:48:20,201 --> 00:48:22,601
Speaker 2: you worked with on the TV shows, not like that,

820
00:48:22,641 --> 00:48:25,241
Speaker 2: but you know close friends. Have they stuck by you

821
00:48:25,281 --> 00:48:28,041
Speaker 2: for all this or some of them gone? You know,

822
00:48:28,281 --> 00:48:30,921
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Pete, what are you doing? And then

823
00:48:30,921 --> 00:48:32,321
Speaker 2: they've just distanced themselves from you.

824
00:48:33,201 --> 00:48:34,281
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know.

825
00:48:35,681 --> 00:48:40,321
Speaker 3: All through life, we we go through different transitional periods

826
00:48:40,361 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: of who we hang out with and who we associate with.

827
00:48:43,521 --> 00:48:48,161
Speaker 3: And you know, from child to you from very young

828
00:48:48,241 --> 00:48:50,921
Speaker 3: through the kindergarten, the primary school and high school. And

829
00:48:50,961 --> 00:48:53,601
Speaker 3: like my daughters, I'm just finished high school two years

830
00:48:53,641 --> 00:48:56,241
Speaker 3: ago and once finished a year ago. And the one

831
00:48:56,241 --> 00:48:58,561
Speaker 3: from two years ago, you're still hanging out with any

832
00:48:58,561 --> 00:49:01,801
Speaker 3: of your high school mates, Like, because I don't hang

833
00:49:01,801 --> 00:49:03,881
Speaker 3: out with any of my high school mates. And my

834
00:49:04,001 --> 00:49:06,321
Speaker 3: daughters has just finished school, she was just up at school,

835
00:49:06,481 --> 00:49:09,321
Speaker 3: is at for Byron up until yesterday or the day before.

836
00:49:10,121 --> 00:49:12,361
Speaker 3: She's right in that mix of hanging with the high

837
00:49:12,361 --> 00:49:17,921
Speaker 3: school mates because they were a tribe, right. And it's interesting.

838
00:49:18,161 --> 00:49:20,401
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can look back on your life and

839
00:49:20,561 --> 00:49:24,041
Speaker 3: see these different transitional periods of I didn't think I'd

840
00:49:24,081 --> 00:49:26,041
Speaker 3: have any other mates than I did right now, and

841
00:49:26,121 --> 00:49:29,281
Speaker 3: then five ten years later you're like, I don't really

842
00:49:29,281 --> 00:49:30,881
Speaker 3: hang out with too many of those people that I

843
00:49:30,921 --> 00:49:34,081
Speaker 3: was hanging out with because they're married, they've moved overseas

844
00:49:34,201 --> 00:49:36,041
Speaker 3: or into state or this that, or they've got a

845
00:49:36,121 --> 00:49:39,521
Speaker 3: job here and they're busy. So things are always in flux.

846
00:49:39,601 --> 00:49:45,121
Speaker 3: And to answer your question back to speaking out, I've

847
00:49:45,121 --> 00:49:48,801
Speaker 3: always been in flux and in in transition, going through

848
00:49:48,841 --> 00:49:54,601
Speaker 3: life changing relationships and this, that and the other as

849
00:49:54,641 --> 00:49:58,361
Speaker 3: you can, as we will do so I never hold on.

850
00:49:58,361 --> 00:50:02,801
Speaker 3: One thing I've learned which may resonate with you, is

851
00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:07,401
Speaker 3: learning to have and it's a big one. Learning to

852
00:50:07,481 --> 00:50:14,801
Speaker 3: have a detachment from things. As one of the earliest

853
00:50:14,921 --> 00:50:21,241
Speaker 3: learnings and that I took on board is can we

854
00:50:21,241 --> 00:50:30,601
Speaker 3: get to a place of emotional and physical detachment from things, places, possessions, relationships,

855
00:50:31,721 --> 00:50:37,561
Speaker 3: desires once where sometimes when we attach ourselves to either

856
00:50:37,601 --> 00:50:41,521
Speaker 3: a business or a property where we live, or a

857
00:50:41,521 --> 00:50:47,121
Speaker 3: geographical location, or a partner or a lover or our children,

858
00:50:48,201 --> 00:50:50,841
Speaker 3: we don't want to let that go because that keeps

859
00:50:50,921 --> 00:50:51,481
Speaker 3: us safe.

860
00:50:51,921 --> 00:50:52,041
Speaker 4: Right.

861
00:50:53,041 --> 00:50:55,401
Speaker 3: One of the most freeing things I've learned is it

862
00:50:55,401 --> 00:50:58,561
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you don't love those people and conditionally, because

863
00:50:58,561 --> 00:51:03,241
Speaker 3: it actually creates a much more loving relationship where you

864
00:51:03,281 --> 00:51:10,241
Speaker 3: love people unconditionally, but you are one hundred percent free

865
00:51:10,321 --> 00:51:14,841
Speaker 3: at all times because you're not tied down or fearful

866
00:51:14,881 --> 00:51:16,001
Speaker 3: of losing something.

867
00:51:16,761 --> 00:51:17,681
Speaker 4: And so.

868
00:51:19,561 --> 00:51:23,081
Speaker 3: The way that I navigate through life is I'm open

869
00:51:23,121 --> 00:51:27,121
Speaker 3: to all as it comes and as it goes. So

870
00:51:27,681 --> 00:51:30,681
Speaker 3: to answer your question, I never really have these these

871
00:51:30,761 --> 00:51:33,601
Speaker 3: sort of friendships that I'm needy with.

872
00:51:34,001 --> 00:51:35,841
Speaker 4: You know and support me.

873
00:51:37,921 --> 00:51:39,681
Speaker 3: I'm going through something really difficult.

874
00:51:39,721 --> 00:51:40,521
Speaker 4: Are you there for me?

875
00:51:41,721 --> 00:51:46,401
Speaker 3: Because I'm not going through something difficult because it's my journey.

876
00:51:46,561 --> 00:51:49,321
Speaker 3: So people come in and out of my life and

877
00:51:49,641 --> 00:51:51,841
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for all the friendships that I've ever had

878
00:51:51,881 --> 00:51:54,121
Speaker 3: and all the friendships that I will create and into

879
00:51:54,121 --> 00:51:58,761
Speaker 3: the future too. And I'm quite quite I'm quite a

880
00:51:59,041 --> 00:52:02,121
Speaker 3: you ask any of my mates. I'm very happy by

881
00:52:02,161 --> 00:52:06,361
Speaker 3: being by myself. You know, I live quite a hermit life,

882
00:52:06,481 --> 00:52:08,481
Speaker 3: me and my wife. And even if I wasn't with

883
00:52:08,561 --> 00:52:11,721
Speaker 3: my wife, I probably live a very hermetic life or

884
00:52:13,201 --> 00:52:18,001
Speaker 3: solitary life. Like I enjoy the company of myself, I

885
00:52:18,121 --> 00:52:22,321
Speaker 3: enjoy the company of others as well equally, but I don't.

886
00:52:22,801 --> 00:52:26,881
Speaker 3: I'm not fearful of being by myself. So that's along

887
00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:32,401
Speaker 3: with an answer to your question about Yeah, I've made

888
00:52:32,481 --> 00:52:34,281
Speaker 3: with many of many of the people that I used

889
00:52:34,321 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: to work with and associated with. But at the same time,

890
00:52:38,641 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: I have very dear friends that I'll see once every

891
00:52:41,001 --> 00:52:44,721
Speaker 3: few years. And that's that's the type of person I

892
00:52:44,761 --> 00:52:45,921
Speaker 3: am and they are as well.

893
00:52:45,961 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 4: It's like we just pick up where we left off.

894
00:52:50,161 --> 00:52:52,321
Speaker 1: Watch describe describe you one word.

895
00:52:54,041 --> 00:52:59,081
Speaker 3: Curious, curious, It would be one word and.

896
00:53:00,641 --> 00:53:05,721
Speaker 4: Open. I reckon open and curious. Life is.

897
00:53:07,721 --> 00:53:10,841
Speaker 3: I've sat with the most powerful psychedelic on the planet

898
00:53:10,921 --> 00:53:12,601
Speaker 3: is known as.

899
00:53:14,321 --> 00:53:15,801
Speaker 4: The molech.

900
00:53:16,081 --> 00:53:18,921
Speaker 3: The molecule is called five meo d MT. It's not

901
00:53:19,041 --> 00:53:22,481
Speaker 3: d MT. It's a stronger molecule called five meo DMT,

902
00:53:22,601 --> 00:53:28,601
Speaker 3: and it's found in the Sonoran Desert toad. And it's

903
00:53:28,601 --> 00:53:31,561
Speaker 3: the stronger psychedelic because most psychedelics are nearly all of

904
00:53:31,601 --> 00:53:34,121
Speaker 3: the psychedelics that are out there or intheagens as are

905
00:53:34,121 --> 00:53:37,601
Speaker 3: also known in theagens meant to awaken the divine within.

906
00:53:37,641 --> 00:53:40,121
Speaker 3: And I'm not religious in any way, shape or form,

907
00:53:41,081 --> 00:53:44,881
Speaker 3: nor am I spiritual if there's a definition for that.

908
00:53:45,441 --> 00:53:49,881
Speaker 3: But so five meo DMT comes from Buffo avarius, which

909
00:53:49,921 --> 00:53:52,281
Speaker 3: is a type of toad that's found in the Sonoran

910
00:53:52,321 --> 00:53:57,241
Speaker 3: Desert from I think Arizona through California into Mexico. And

911
00:53:57,361 --> 00:54:03,841
Speaker 3: what this psychedelic offers and teachers is, I'll go back,

912
00:54:03,881 --> 00:54:06,681
Speaker 3: So all the other psychedelics, when you ingest them, yours

913
00:54:07,281 --> 00:54:09,681
Speaker 3: know that Pete just took a psychedelic and is going

914
00:54:09,721 --> 00:54:16,481
Speaker 3: on a psychedelic ceremonial journey. Whereas this one psychedelic it

915
00:54:18,201 --> 00:54:23,801
Speaker 3: offers us when we take it, is it over like

916
00:54:24,241 --> 00:54:28,801
Speaker 3: the science of it. It overwhelms our identity of who

917
00:54:28,841 --> 00:54:33,281
Speaker 3: we are, who we think we are, which is its gift,

918
00:54:33,401 --> 00:54:38,041
Speaker 3: and it's terrifying for people because you go through a

919
00:54:38,041 --> 00:54:42,001
Speaker 3: death process, because the whole notion of who you think

920
00:54:42,041 --> 00:54:42,521
Speaker 3: you are.

921
00:54:43,121 --> 00:54:45,441
Speaker 4: Dies, it dissolves, it goes.

922
00:54:46,001 --> 00:54:49,361
Speaker 3: They call it egoic death or ego death, and it's

923
00:54:50,801 --> 00:54:53,401
Speaker 3: highly rewarding and highly challenging, and I'm not recommending it

924
00:54:53,441 --> 00:54:56,561
Speaker 3: for anybody. I'm not recommending the use of psychedelics. There's

925
00:54:56,561 --> 00:54:58,961
Speaker 3: a lot of research out there, and there's more research

926
00:54:59,081 --> 00:55:02,161
Speaker 3: that's going on clinical trials all around the world to

927
00:55:02,201 --> 00:55:07,641
Speaker 3: show the potential benefits of psychedelics. Ancient cultures and indigenous

928
00:55:07,681 --> 00:55:10,561
Speaker 3: cultures have used psychedelics for tens of thousands, if not

929
00:55:10,641 --> 00:55:17,001
Speaker 3: millennia of years, so for a freaking long time as

930
00:55:17,041 --> 00:55:19,041
Speaker 3: part of a lot of different cultures around the world.

931
00:55:19,441 --> 00:55:22,641
Speaker 4: But so the pharmer A DMT, what it offers us.

932
00:55:22,601 --> 00:55:27,041
Speaker 3: Is an opportunity to go through our own death before

933
00:55:27,081 --> 00:55:32,081
Speaker 3: we have our death, and to experience what that's like

934
00:55:33,441 --> 00:55:38,801
Speaker 3: and what it taught me. Anyway, and there's a beautiful

935
00:55:38,801 --> 00:55:42,041
Speaker 3: book called Being Human by Martin Ball if anyone's interested

936
00:55:42,081 --> 00:55:44,041
Speaker 3: in learning more about this, and I've interviewed him on

937
00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:47,801
Speaker 3: my podcast many times, and other psychoouts out there, and

938
00:55:48,161 --> 00:55:53,241
Speaker 3: what it teaches us is that This is very much

939
00:55:53,281 --> 00:55:57,041
Speaker 3: like the dream state. This human experience that where you

940
00:55:57,081 --> 00:55:59,441
Speaker 3: and I are in at the moment and everybody is

941
00:55:59,481 --> 00:56:00,841
Speaker 3: in at the moment, is like.

942
00:56:00,801 --> 00:56:01,521
Speaker 4: A dream state.

943
00:56:03,121 --> 00:56:07,561
Speaker 3: And the actually absolute truth is that there is no eye.

944
00:56:07,681 --> 00:56:10,921
Speaker 3: It's where we are all and we're eternal and we're infinite.

945
00:56:10,921 --> 00:56:14,521
Speaker 3: There's no death, there's no birth, no death, no beginning,

946
00:56:14,601 --> 00:56:18,241
Speaker 3: no ending. It's just pure consciousness that's forever and ever

947
00:56:18,281 --> 00:56:20,081
Speaker 3: and ever and ever. And that's pretty woo woo. But

948
00:56:20,161 --> 00:56:24,161
Speaker 3: once you experience it, you'll never forget it, right, And

949
00:56:24,201 --> 00:56:26,201
Speaker 3: that's the true nature of who we are, true nature

950
00:56:26,241 --> 00:56:30,561
Speaker 3: of reality, not the individual eye, but the all the everything.

951
00:56:31,761 --> 00:56:34,481
Speaker 3: And in that experience you get to it. You have

952
00:56:34,561 --> 00:56:39,601
Speaker 3: the experience of you get to experience everything that ever

953
00:56:39,641 --> 00:56:42,161
Speaker 3: has been and everything that will be, in every possible

954
00:56:43,321 --> 00:56:51,601
Speaker 3: permutation of possibility. And when we are back into this

955
00:56:51,641 --> 00:56:55,161
Speaker 3: stream state of Pete and Neil going about our day

956
00:56:55,161 --> 00:56:58,361
Speaker 3: to day lives, we can tap into that infinite possibility realm,

957
00:56:58,361 --> 00:56:59,721
Speaker 3: which is what I was talking about at the start

958
00:56:59,761 --> 00:57:02,561
Speaker 3: of the program, about the creation of our thoughts or

959
00:57:02,681 --> 00:57:06,721
Speaker 3: dreams or into manifestation. This is this is our superpower.

960
00:57:06,721 --> 00:57:08,241
Speaker 3: As I said at the start, this is what we're

961
00:57:08,241 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: here to do is to create a.

962
00:57:10,881 --> 00:57:12,361
Speaker 4: More beautiful world for ourselves.

963
00:57:13,041 --> 00:57:15,401
Speaker 3: That's what we're here to do. Whatever it is that

964
00:57:15,441 --> 00:57:17,881
Speaker 3: you want to do, if you can think that, you

965
00:57:17,881 --> 00:57:20,321
Speaker 3: can probably create it. You might not have all the

966
00:57:20,361 --> 00:57:24,881
Speaker 3: pieces just yet, but you know that's we're here to create,

967
00:57:25,161 --> 00:57:26,921
Speaker 3: We're here to dream, We're.

968
00:57:26,721 --> 00:57:29,921
Speaker 4: Here to do that. And so.

969
00:57:31,601 --> 00:57:37,041
Speaker 3: The five D M T Journey teaches us that that

970
00:57:38,281 --> 00:57:43,321
Speaker 3: there is nothing to be fearful of, and that's that's

971
00:57:43,321 --> 00:57:46,841
Speaker 3: what it taught me. And to live without fear is

972
00:57:46,921 --> 00:57:49,881
Speaker 3: such a Living without fear doesn't mean I'm going to

973
00:57:50,001 --> 00:57:51,801
Speaker 3: crawl up onto my roof and jump off and think

974
00:57:51,841 --> 00:57:53,721
Speaker 3: I can survive, you know.

975
00:57:53,921 --> 00:57:56,641
Speaker 4: Like fly. You know, that's not what that is about.

976
00:57:57,801 --> 00:58:02,161
Speaker 3: What it has given me is is the most beautiful

977
00:58:02,161 --> 00:58:06,721
Speaker 3: appreciation of this blink of an eye lifetime that we're

978
00:58:06,761 --> 00:58:09,841
Speaker 3: experiencing now that feels like a long time, which has

979
00:58:09,841 --> 00:58:10,361
Speaker 3: given me a.

980
00:58:10,281 --> 00:58:11,521
Speaker 4: Greater appreciation and.

981
00:58:13,841 --> 00:58:15,961
Speaker 3: Respect that I want to be here for as long

982
00:58:16,001 --> 00:58:19,441
Speaker 3: as possible if I can. But if I have an

983
00:58:19,481 --> 00:58:22,641
Speaker 3: accident tomorrow I get eaten by shark. Wow, what a

984
00:58:22,641 --> 00:58:25,281
Speaker 3: fucking trip it's been anyway, And I know what's on

985
00:58:25,321 --> 00:58:27,641
Speaker 3: the other side. Of that, which is everything anyway. So

986
00:58:29,201 --> 00:58:31,521
Speaker 3: I guess so to live without fear is a beautiful

987
00:58:31,761 --> 00:58:36,721
Speaker 3: place to be. If well, that's that's what I like

988
00:58:36,761 --> 00:58:38,401
Speaker 3: to do. And if I if I still have fears

989
00:58:38,401 --> 00:58:41,001
Speaker 3: that arise, then I like to challenge myself and face

990
00:58:41,041 --> 00:58:43,801
Speaker 3: them and go through them.

991
00:58:43,921 --> 00:58:45,841
Speaker 1: It's been a very interesting talk with you, Pete.

992
00:58:46,401 --> 00:58:46,961
Speaker 4: Thank you, brother.

993
00:58:47,521 --> 00:58:50,681
Speaker 1: I'd love to I've enjoyed it and I'm glad.

994
00:58:50,921 --> 00:58:53,561
Speaker 2: I'm glad that was very persistent in trying to get

995
00:58:53,561 --> 00:58:53,721
Speaker 2: you on.

996
00:58:55,681 --> 00:58:58,881
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for your persistence and thank you to everybody

997
00:58:59,001 --> 00:59:04,161
Speaker 3: for persevering today. However, you want to get back on

998
00:59:04,241 --> 00:59:06,001
Speaker 3: and talk about food, be happy to come back right

999
00:59:06,081 --> 00:59:08,561
Speaker 3: and talk about some recipes and the real life stuff

1000
00:59:08,961 --> 00:59:13,121
Speaker 3: you taste and smell. But I really appreciate you, thank

1001
00:59:13,161 --> 00:59:16,321
Speaker 3: you for giving me the opportunity to have this this chat.

1002
00:59:16,401 --> 00:59:17,961
Speaker 4: And I just want to tell.

1003
00:59:17,881 --> 00:59:20,961
Speaker 3: Everybody that I love you all and we were all loved,

1004
00:59:21,241 --> 00:59:22,441
Speaker 3: and thank you so much.

1005
00:59:30,361 --> 00:59:30,401
Speaker 4: M