WEBVTT - The Dingo of Collins Street 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:15.441 Approacha Production, Episode five, The Dingo of Colin Street. If 0:00:15.441 --> 0:00:17.761 you've gotten this far in the podcast, you probably have 0:00:17.881 --> 0:00:21.320 some questions like me, questions like did he end up 0:00:21.361 --> 0:00:23.921 going to jail, does he have to pay back in 0:00:24.041 --> 0:00:27.281 either cash? Or did he stash any of the money 0:00:27.281 --> 0:00:29.441 away in a foreign country so we could use it later. 0:00:30.281 --> 0:00:32.561 I can't believe I actually asked that question from Dan, 0:00:33.361 --> 0:00:34.641 and he answered pretty directly. 0:00:35.081 --> 0:00:35.720 Firstly, if I. 0:00:35.721 --> 0:00:37.521 Did that, I wouldn't be talking about it with you. 0:00:39.921 --> 0:00:40.441 Good point. 0:00:40.561 --> 0:00:43.161 And secondly, they were just going to tack it off 0:00:43.161 --> 0:00:43.601 me anymore. 0:00:44.321 --> 0:00:47.201 If you've got questions, don't worry later in this episode 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.841 how you can actually appear in episode eight, and asked 0:00:50.881 --> 0:00:53.201 Dan some of the questions you might have for yourself 0:00:53.881 --> 0:00:56.880 in the meantime, I wondered if Dan or any of 0:00:56.961 --> 0:00:59.401 his mates, or at least any of the hangers on 0:00:59.761 --> 0:01:02.441 invested their cash in crypto or something similar. 0:01:03.921 --> 0:01:07.601 Yeah, he wasn't really a Marke was. Yeah, someone I knew, 0:01:07.761 --> 0:01:09.520 and I knew a lot of people at that time, 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.440 and there was money floating around. But I mean, you know, 0:01:12.481 --> 0:01:16.720 everyone got their fair fair whack of changed, so you know, 0:01:16.801 --> 0:01:18.921 anyone could sort of walk up and go hey, Dan, 0:01:19.721 --> 0:01:21.681 you know I want to do this? Can you give 0:01:21.721 --> 0:01:24.560 me some money to do it? And most people were like, Dan, 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.161 I want to dare the two girls at the bar 0:01:27.321 --> 0:01:29.441 to like kiss? Can I five hundred bucks. 0:01:29.161 --> 0:01:29.441 To give it? 0:01:29.761 --> 0:01:31.840 But then there was other Yeah, there was thinkers. You know, 0:01:32.041 --> 0:01:34.920 there's people that are like, hey, Dan, can you give 0:01:34.961 --> 0:01:36.520 me some money because I want to start a business. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:37.161 I want to do this. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.000 I want to do that, you know, by far and 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:45.521 away the guy who benefited, you know, and people say 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.401 to me, you know, like he should give you some 0:01:47.441 --> 0:01:50.601 money and all that, and I'm like, look, I don't care. 0:01:50.961 --> 0:01:54.521 Like whatever people did with their little bit of the money, 0:01:54.721 --> 0:01:59.001 that's fine. But apparently he bought you know, some bitcoin 0:01:59.281 --> 0:02:01.961 when it wasn't worth very much, and now it's obviously 0:02:02.001 --> 0:02:04.681 worth quite a lot. I think he probably bought it 0:02:04.721 --> 0:02:06.041 like or bucks. 0:02:05.721 --> 0:02:09.641 But it's worth seventy one down. He wouldn't need. 0:02:09.321 --> 0:02:12.281 To have bought much. Put it that way, like, I 0:02:12.321 --> 0:02:15.161 don't know how much exactly he bought. I don't know 0:02:15.201 --> 0:02:19.321 how much, you know, money he's got now. But he 0:02:19.481 --> 0:02:23.000 said to me before, like if you want a car, 0:02:23.121 --> 0:02:26.081 I'll buy it for you. So I can only assume 0:02:26.121 --> 0:02:29.520 that he's made some decent money. But you know, again, 0:02:29.921 --> 0:02:32.201 I don't know, and you know, I don't even care, 0:02:32.321 --> 0:02:35.401 because it's like whatever it was, the spirit, it was 0:02:35.401 --> 0:02:36.081 in the spirit of. 0:02:36.001 --> 0:02:36.560 The whole thing. 0:02:37.001 --> 0:02:40.720 The whole thing was just an absolute you know, you 0:02:40.841 --> 0:02:43.161 got to do what you wanted to with the money. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.840 And you know a lot of people say to me, oh, 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.721 you know, you wasted all the money. You know, it 0:02:48.761 --> 0:02:51.000 wasn't you know, you were done with the money and whatever. 0:02:51.081 --> 0:02:55.921 I was like, find your own ATM car and go 0:02:56.041 --> 0:02:58.601 for it. You know, the loopholes are out there. 0:02:58.841 --> 0:03:01.201 Although this is an amazing story and it sounds like 0:03:01.321 --> 0:03:03.800 Dan and his mates were having a brilliant time, at 0:03:03.841 --> 0:03:07.161 some point it was better to end Dan's breaking the law. 0:03:07.561 --> 0:03:11.361 The lawry's breaking is called theft by finding. That's when 0:03:11.441 --> 0:03:15.000 someone takes possession of something but fails to establish who 0:03:15.001 --> 0:03:18.961 owns it, which is essentially what Dan did. It wasn't 0:03:19.001 --> 0:03:22.601 his money, and he knew that, so I guess in 0:03:22.721 --> 0:03:25.960 layman's terms, it's like finding a big bag of money 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.441 on the side of the road and you've got two choices. 0:03:29.001 --> 0:03:32.201 You go and spend that money, or you take it 0:03:32.201 --> 0:03:35.561 to the cops and say I found this bag of money, 0:03:35.961 --> 0:03:38.241 and then I think you wait about three months and 0:03:38.281 --> 0:03:42.001 if no one comes forward, you get the money. I 0:03:42.121 --> 0:03:44.161 wanted to know if Dan ever thought of doing this, 0:03:44.841 --> 0:03:48.401 maybe going to the bank and saying, hey, I found 0:03:48.441 --> 0:03:52.041 this glitch in new system and it's giving me free money. 0:03:52.241 --> 0:03:54.641 I'll show you how it's been happening if you give 0:03:54.681 --> 0:03:55.161 me a job. 0:03:57.441 --> 0:03:57.881 I thought. 0:03:59.081 --> 0:04:01.841 I thought, yeah, like, I've obviously heard stories of people 0:04:01.881 --> 0:04:07.081 doing that before, but yeah, I never I never thought 0:04:07.121 --> 0:04:09.921 that that would be. Every time you talk to them, 0:04:10.121 --> 0:04:13.121 they're very they come across as being quite arrogant. So 0:04:13.481 --> 0:04:16.361 I didn't think that they were going to be on 0:04:16.441 --> 0:04:19.241 board with like, you know, oh you found a. 0:04:19.201 --> 0:04:21.921 Floor in our system. Oh that's very good, thanks very much. 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.641 We'll give you a job now, or you know, like 0:04:24.681 --> 0:04:26.841 we'll meet with you. I don't think they would have 0:04:26.841 --> 0:04:29.561 done anything like that. I think they're I think they've 0:04:29.601 --> 0:04:31.201 got a communication issue. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.361 Since the glitch happened in twenty eleven, you can imagine 0:04:35.401 --> 0:04:38.081 that the banks might have knuckled down on their security. 0:04:38.841 --> 0:04:41.041 We tried to get a bank on to chat about 0:04:41.041 --> 0:04:46.041 their heightened security. Now guess what they said, No, So, 0:04:46.161 --> 0:04:50.961 how did this happen in twenty eleven. Well, each night, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:56.721 between midnight and early morning, the ATM machines would go 0:04:56.801 --> 0:05:00.921 into what was called standalone mode. This meant that they 0:05:00.961 --> 0:05:05.521 weren't communicating with the bank systems. Now, for me, this 0:05:05.601 --> 0:05:09.080 was a Google search, But for Dan he learned this 0:05:09.121 --> 0:05:10.641 glitch firsthand. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.681 I think they've got smart ATMs now, like they say 0:05:14.721 --> 0:05:16.681 smart ADM. 0:05:17.641 --> 0:05:20.041 You know, the dumb ones of twenty eleven. 0:05:22.401 --> 0:05:25.960 Yeah, basically it goes into this mode where it's not 0:05:26.121 --> 0:05:31.721 really communicating with the main banks system. I guess it 0:05:31.761 --> 0:05:36.601 can perform transactions, it can perform tasks, but ultimately it 0:05:36.641 --> 0:05:39.440 doesn't know exactly you know, how much money is in 0:05:39.481 --> 0:05:42.001 your bank account at that time. And I think, yeah, 0:05:42.041 --> 0:05:45.721 I was doing the transfers at this time, and it 0:05:45.841 --> 0:05:47.921 was just you know, just a bit of call it 0:05:47.921 --> 0:05:51.761 what you want luck, wrong place, right time, right time, 0:05:52.001 --> 0:05:54.601 wrong place, whatever you want to call it. Like it 0:05:54.681 --> 0:05:58.200 was just sheer fluke that I found it out. I 0:05:58.281 --> 0:05:59.161 found this out. 0:05:59.401 --> 0:06:01.841 It sounds like it was a really full time job 0:06:02.921 --> 0:06:09.401 for you to daily be thinking about how much you transferred, 0:06:09.801 --> 0:06:13.281 how much needs to go back? Set alarm for midnight? 0:06:13.361 --> 0:06:17.161 Am I going to get close enough? Like that's got it? 0:06:17.161 --> 0:06:18.081 It's got to be tough. 0:06:18.721 --> 0:06:20.961 It was tough, but it was also like the greatest 0:06:21.041 --> 0:06:24.241 job ever as well, because it was like like some 0:06:24.241 --> 0:06:26.481 sort of secret agent, you know, like you had this 0:06:26.521 --> 0:06:30.760 little system and to like to be tricking a massive 0:06:30.801 --> 0:06:34.960 bank with all these security you know, like they have 0:06:36.281 --> 0:06:42.361 like millions of computers and millions of you know people 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:46.841 looking at them, you know, constantly monitoring transactions, and like 0:06:46.921 --> 0:06:51.001 it just felt like guy was invisible where I shouldn't 0:06:51.001 --> 0:06:51.241 have been. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.681 At this point, you have four months in, it's getting 0:06:57.681 --> 0:07:00.760 close to the end, which comes in a different way 0:07:00.801 --> 0:07:03.281 than you would expect. Did you think you were going 0:07:03.361 --> 0:07:03.801 to get caught? 0:07:03.841 --> 0:07:04.121 Still? 0:07:04.641 --> 0:07:07.361 Yeah, Like I never thought that I wouldn't get caught 0:07:08.561 --> 0:07:11.721 the whole knowing what I know now that I could 0:07:11.721 --> 0:07:15.201 have actually just walked away from this and nothing would 0:07:15.201 --> 0:07:18.761 have happened to me. That blows my mind even more 0:07:18.801 --> 0:07:22.201 than the fact that I, you know, sort of brought 0:07:22.241 --> 0:07:25.241 about my own demise in a way. But I didn't 0:07:25.241 --> 0:07:27.841 see it as being my demise. That was me getting 0:07:27.881 --> 0:07:30.841 my life back because I've lost who I was, so 0:07:30.881 --> 0:07:33.841 I didn't Yeah, I didn't identify with the person that 0:07:33.881 --> 0:07:36.561 I was anymore. So I wanted to take a step 0:07:36.601 --> 0:07:39.721 to get that back, and I thought that ultimately being 0:07:39.761 --> 0:07:43.481 punished for what I did would. 0:07:42.681 --> 0:07:43.361 Be a good start. 0:07:44.761 --> 0:07:48.321 So yeah, I mean, I think it's reported in the 0:07:48.361 --> 0:07:52.961 media that like my conscience got me, Like it was 0:07:53.001 --> 0:07:56.801 sort of my conscience a bit. But I'd done everything 0:07:56.881 --> 0:07:59.201 I wanted to do. You know, I didn't want to 0:07:59.241 --> 0:08:01.921 do anything else. All I wanted to do is have 0:08:01.961 --> 0:08:04.121 a great time. And I had a great time. 0:08:04.241 --> 0:08:04.961 It was amazing. 0:08:05.721 --> 0:08:08.401 I wouldn't change any of it, you know. The only 0:08:08.441 --> 0:08:12.601 other option was to go overseas and transfer millions of 0:08:12.601 --> 0:08:17.401 dollars away and ultimately be you know, a fugitive, and 0:08:17.401 --> 0:08:21.201 and that I decided that wasn't me. I remember when 0:08:21.241 --> 0:08:24.001 I decided that I was going to stop, I had 0:08:24.001 --> 0:08:28.081 this sort of twitch in my in my right eye 0:08:28.601 --> 0:08:32.841 that had developed, and it developed is like a little 0:08:33.001 --> 0:08:34.280 just a little flicker. 0:08:34.321 --> 0:08:35.321 Underneath my eye. 0:08:35.721 --> 0:08:39.201 Like I thought I was getting some kind of neurological disease, 0:08:39.321 --> 0:08:43.281 Like I thought I was. Yeah, I thought I might 0:08:43.321 --> 0:08:48.601 be affected forever because my like that all the vessels 0:08:48.681 --> 0:08:49.761 underneath my eye. 0:08:49.721 --> 0:08:53.721 Just wouldn't stop pulse haating. And I guess it was 0:08:53.761 --> 0:08:54.001 just a. 0:08:55.801 --> 0:08:58.161 Product of the indrel and running through him for that long. 0:08:58.321 --> 0:09:01.281 I'm not sure, but I started the Yeah, I started 0:09:01.321 --> 0:09:04.481 to show real physical symptoms like something really bad was 0:09:04.521 --> 0:09:04.961 going to happen. 0:09:05.761 --> 0:09:08.041 So yeah, so I had to stop. 0:09:08.321 --> 0:09:10.801 I was like, I'm going to die. I'll have to stop. 0:09:11.041 --> 0:09:14.441 So yeah, so I told, you know, I told my mates. 0:09:14.561 --> 0:09:18.721 I told old mate and yeah, like he wasn't you know. 0:09:18.881 --> 0:09:20.321 It was like, this is the best thing that's ever 0:09:20.401 --> 0:09:20.921 happened to us. 0:09:20.921 --> 0:09:22.641 What are you doing? You know, why would you? Why 0:09:22.681 --> 0:09:23.441 did you give this up? 0:09:23.681 --> 0:09:26.041 And I'm like, I'm gonna feel like I'm gonna die, 0:09:26.121 --> 0:09:28.441 Like look in my eye it's like twitching like crazy, 0:09:28.841 --> 0:09:29.761 like this is not good. 0:09:29.921 --> 0:09:32.681 It's not a good situation. He's like, yeah, I know, 0:09:32.801 --> 0:09:37.601 but you know, like yeah, all right, right it's here. Yeah, 0:09:37.841 --> 0:09:39.761 it was real. Yeah, it started. 0:09:40.161 --> 0:09:42.441 It would flicker all day and I was like, n 0:09:42.921 --> 0:09:43.521 I've got. 0:09:43.321 --> 0:09:45.161 To I've got to get out of this. I've got 0:09:45.201 --> 0:09:47.241 to just I'm going to stop doing it. 0:09:49.201 --> 0:09:51.761 I'll get to the moment Dan decided to stop using 0:09:51.801 --> 0:09:57.161 his magic card in this episode and how it all ended. Surely, 0:09:57.201 --> 0:10:01.561 by now the bank's starting to ask questions. Surely they're thinking, 0:10:01.921 --> 0:10:05.121 hang on this, Dan Saunder's bloke doesn't have an the 0:10:05.201 --> 0:10:08.481 income and he's got more than a million dollars owing 0:10:08.841 --> 0:10:14.561 on his credit card. Maybe someone should call him. The 0:10:14.561 --> 0:10:17.401 bank did send Dan some letters, and to be honest, 0:10:17.841 --> 0:10:21.641 it was laughable when you read them. This letter was 0:10:21.721 --> 0:10:26.001 dated the twenty fourth of June twoenty and eleven, a 0:10:26.081 --> 0:10:27.761 few months after the glitch started. 0:10:27.841 --> 0:10:31.561 Dear missus Saunders, did you know your account is overdrawn 0:10:31.641 --> 0:10:32.521 or over its limit? 0:10:32.641 --> 0:10:34.201 Count? Number? Blah blah blah. 0:10:34.281 --> 0:10:38.321 Account balance one million, six hundred and forty nine thousand, 0:10:38.441 --> 0:10:42.081 seven hundred and fifty four dollars and fifty nine cents debit. 0:10:42.321 --> 0:10:45.361 This is a reminder that your account is overdrawn and 0:10:45.441 --> 0:10:49.761 has been for twenty days. If you haven't done so already, 0:10:49.881 --> 0:10:54.401 it's important that you pay the overdrawn amount immediately or 0:10:54.481 --> 0:10:56.761 call us and talk about your situation. 0:10:57.401 --> 0:10:59.761 I've had one of these letters before, but never one 0:10:59.761 --> 0:11:02.481 that says my account is overdrawn by one point six 0:11:02.561 --> 0:11:07.281 million dollars. The funny thing is is this letter actually 0:11:07.361 --> 0:11:11.441 arrived a few months after Dan decided to stop spending. 0:11:12.241 --> 0:11:15.441 That's the reason the account was overdrawn, because he was 0:11:15.481 --> 0:11:18.801 no longer transferring cash from one account to the other. 0:11:20.041 --> 0:11:25.161 The stress would have been crazy. Dan's eye started to twitch, 0:11:25.881 --> 0:11:30.521 and his friend and crewmember Evano, remembers seeing him a 0:11:30.521 --> 0:11:33.161 few nights before Dan decided to pull the pin. 0:11:34.041 --> 0:11:38.601 I think it was a mixture of the party, not 0:11:38.641 --> 0:11:41.161 so much the drugs, but just drinking a lot of 0:11:41.201 --> 0:11:42.241 alcohol all the time. 0:11:43.321 --> 0:11:44.801 It sort of, Yeah, it got. 0:11:44.601 --> 0:11:46.161 To him a little bit, and I could see the 0:11:46.201 --> 0:11:49.361 pressure was starting to get to him. Something something had 0:11:49.601 --> 0:11:54.521 had ticked. He was a bit more moody. He'd get 0:11:54.601 --> 0:11:58.961 angry really quickly. And this was unlike Dan Locke. He's 0:11:59.121 --> 0:12:00.961 one of the most easy gun blocks you'll ever meet. 0:12:01.081 --> 0:12:04.721 So yeah, there was there was pressure getting to him, 0:12:04.721 --> 0:12:05.401 that's sure. 0:12:05.961 --> 0:12:08.241 Were you then the nightdow and decided that it was over? 0:12:09.361 --> 0:12:12.801 No, I was the night he decided. I was in 0:12:12.801 --> 0:12:19.001 in my grada. Yeah, I was with him the weekend prior, 0:12:19.041 --> 0:12:21.561 which would have only been a few days prior. So, 0:12:22.041 --> 0:12:23.921 but yeah, I wasn't with him at the time. 0:12:24.161 --> 0:12:25.561 How'd you find out he was stopping? 0:12:26.201 --> 0:12:29.721 I'd called him and and this was a few days later, 0:12:29.921 --> 0:12:34.761 And yeah, he wasn't wasn't a partying or anything like that. 0:12:34.841 --> 0:12:35.281 He was. 0:12:37.321 --> 0:12:38.921 A little bit, a little bit down and dumps. 0:12:38.961 --> 0:12:42.361 I'd say, yeah, yeah, a bit depressed, just just a touch. 0:12:42.881 --> 0:12:45.241 Yeah, yeah, he I think the full weight of what 0:12:45.321 --> 0:12:48.761 he'd done was coming was coming on his shoulders. 0:12:49.241 --> 0:12:52.081 I mean, we talk about this amazing time that he 0:12:52.201 --> 0:12:54.601 had and you had, and you know the other crew 0:12:54.641 --> 0:12:59.081 that were with with you guys. He's pretty anxious. 0:12:58.761 --> 0:13:04.161 Then, anxious about what what would happen. Yeah, he looked 0:13:04.281 --> 0:13:07.681 he knew he was probably going to jail. 0:13:08.321 --> 0:13:09.801 Had he talked about that with you? 0:13:09.881 --> 0:13:11.601 Yeah, this at this point he had. 0:13:11.681 --> 0:13:14.161 Yeah, So by this stage, you know what's going on. 0:13:14.241 --> 0:13:15.281 By this stage I had known. 0:13:15.361 --> 0:13:15.601 Yeah. 0:13:15.761 --> 0:13:18.241 Yeah, And it was fairly late on the piece that 0:13:18.281 --> 0:13:20.761 I actually found out the full extent of it. But yeah, 0:13:21.001 --> 0:13:24.401 by this stage, I definitely knew what was going on. Yeah. 0:13:24.481 --> 0:13:27.561 I remember the night before, the night before I decided 0:13:27.601 --> 0:13:33.161 to give up, give it up, we were talking and 0:13:33.361 --> 0:13:36.321 I was we're sort of talking about how much you know, 0:13:36.321 --> 0:13:40.961 because it was very big that we were going to 0:13:41.161 --> 0:13:43.521 like I was going to go to jail, and we're 0:13:43.641 --> 0:13:45.841 sort of talking about it at the table. How long 0:13:47.041 --> 0:13:49.321 are you're going to go How long do you reckon 0:13:49.321 --> 0:13:51.241 you'll go to jail for sort of thing? And I 0:13:51.321 --> 0:13:54.721 was saying, like maybe ten years. I don't know it's 0:13:54.761 --> 0:13:57.121 pretty you know, it's got pretty out of hand. 0:13:58.081 --> 0:14:00.481 And how much were an indent by that stage? 0:14:01.041 --> 0:14:04.321 Oh yeah, like I think I think of that one 0:14:04.361 --> 0:14:06.961 boy six. Yeah, this lady over her. 0:14:07.401 --> 0:14:10.241 She comes to me later and she's like, I heard 0:14:10.281 --> 0:14:12.041 you're going to go to jail for all this. Like 0:14:12.081 --> 0:14:16.001 we're you know, in some residential sweet somewhere and everyone's 0:14:16.001 --> 0:14:17.881 having a great time, and you know, I was just 0:14:17.921 --> 0:14:21.721 having a private conversation with a couple of mates. She goes, look, 0:14:22.361 --> 0:14:25.641 I've had a great day. I want you to think 0:14:25.681 --> 0:14:30.361 about this in jail, and she basically grabs me. And 0:14:30.441 --> 0:14:33.721 she didn't I'm not going to say I was sexually assaulted, 0:14:33.841 --> 0:14:36.881 but but she grabbed me and pretty much like had 0:14:37.361 --> 0:14:38.401 had her away with me. 0:14:38.481 --> 0:14:39.201 Right then and there. 0:14:40.041 --> 0:14:42.721 During the time that she was doing that, she was 0:14:43.201 --> 0:14:45.161 like it almost turned her on in a way. I'm 0:14:45.201 --> 0:14:48.721 not sure, but she like was just saying to me repeatedly, 0:14:49.321 --> 0:14:51.801 think about this when you're in jail. Think about this 0:14:51.841 --> 0:14:54.401 when you're in jail. It was a bit of a 0:14:54.641 --> 0:14:59.001 like psycho moment, but also it seemed like a nice 0:14:59.081 --> 0:15:01.721 ending point, like I was just like, yeah, okay, you 0:15:01.721 --> 0:15:04.121 know what, right, this is all getting a bit bit 0:15:04.241 --> 0:15:08.081 nutso so I'm like, yeah, I think this is it. 0:15:08.161 --> 0:15:09.481 I think this is the end. 0:15:13.081 --> 0:15:16.121 So I announced it to the guys. I said look. 0:15:16.281 --> 0:15:18.081 The next day, I said, look, I'm going to stop 0:15:18.081 --> 0:15:19.281 doing the transfer. 0:15:18.921 --> 0:15:21.401 To no, Like, what are you talking about? 0:15:21.761 --> 0:15:26.441 You know, it's been a couple of guys were like, look, 0:15:26.841 --> 0:15:28.841 it's fair enough. Do whatever you want to do, like 0:15:29.441 --> 0:15:32.721 it's it's been a journey. It's been amazing and we'll 0:15:32.721 --> 0:15:37.561 never forget it. And then yeah, old mate was like, hey, 0:15:38.321 --> 0:15:41.121 like you got to keep going, but you can't stop now, 0:15:41.361 --> 0:15:44.281 Like like I think he said, don't be soft, like 0:15:44.441 --> 0:15:49.681 just kid like it was crazy individual anyway. 0:15:49.361 --> 0:15:50.601 Are you still friends with old mate now? 0:15:51.241 --> 0:15:53.321 Yeah, like are still friends? I don't really see him, 0:15:53.361 --> 0:15:57.281 but but like I can sider him a friend. He's like, 0:15:57.321 --> 0:15:58.561 you gotta do it, you got to do it, and 0:15:58.601 --> 0:16:01.401 I'm like, look, I can't do it anymore. 0:16:01.481 --> 0:16:01.921 That's it. 0:16:02.001 --> 0:16:05.321 Like you see this high, like it's getting worse. I'm 0:16:05.321 --> 0:16:06.481 not going to do it anymore. 0:16:06.681 --> 0:16:07.161 That's it. 0:16:07.401 --> 0:16:09.161 I've decided I'm not going to go overseas. I'm not 0:16:09.201 --> 0:16:12.721 going to do it anymore. I'm going to stop. That night, 0:16:13.201 --> 0:16:17.961 I opened up internet banking and I just logged on 0:16:19.081 --> 0:16:22.601 and then I just gave the laptop to the to 0:16:22.681 --> 0:16:24.961 all the guys, like just passed it around and said, 0:16:24.961 --> 0:16:28.641 if you want to transfer any money anywhere else, just 0:16:28.681 --> 0:16:31.321 do it. I don't want to know about it. I 0:16:31.361 --> 0:16:35.681 don't care, but if you want to do it, just 0:16:35.761 --> 0:16:39.401 do it now. And that's it. I don't even know 0:16:39.441 --> 0:16:41.921 if they did. I'm not sure. You know, Quite often 0:16:41.961 --> 0:16:44.601 the loudest person in the room is like, once they've 0:16:44.601 --> 0:16:46.521 got to transfer it to their account. 0:16:46.121 --> 0:16:48.481 They're like, oh, I don't know about that, you. 0:16:48.441 --> 0:16:51.241 Know, so you know, you find out who's a bit 0:16:51.281 --> 0:16:55.241 soft in the end. But yeah, I was done. 0:16:55.521 --> 0:16:56.241 I was done. 0:16:56.601 --> 0:17:00.721 So I went to sleep. It was weird not going 0:17:00.761 --> 0:17:01.481 to the ATM. 0:17:01.881 --> 0:17:03.601 It was like, that's first night for four months. 0:17:05.281 --> 0:17:08.840 To one. I was like, you can still go, you 0:17:08.881 --> 0:17:11.241 can still go, you can still keep me gun. There's 0:17:11.281 --> 0:17:14.041 still part of me. Guy, I was still to a tin. 0:17:14.241 --> 0:17:17.321 This is like a drug addiction, right, yeah, gambling addiction, 0:17:17.521 --> 0:17:19.161 Like this is cold turkey. 0:17:19.281 --> 0:17:25.480 Absolutely yeah. So yeah, so I ultimately just just stopped 0:17:25.481 --> 0:17:25.720 doing it. 0:17:25.721 --> 0:17:29.321 And then I know the ship would He hit the 0:17:29.321 --> 0:17:31.440 fan at the bank the next day, probably because the 0:17:31.801 --> 0:17:34.761 accounts went into into debit by millions. 0:17:34.360 --> 0:17:44.801 And Dan decides to go cold Turkey, just cut off 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.961 the cash stat and he now has over one point 0:17:49.041 --> 0:17:52.921 six million dollars in debt on his account and no 0:17:53.041 --> 0:17:54.080 job to pay it off. 0:17:54.721 --> 0:17:56.401 So what does he do? 0:17:57.120 --> 0:17:58.920 Oh, I mean, what can you do? I mean it 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.361 was I had a little bit of money left, and. 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:04.360 What's a little bit of money? 0:18:04.561 --> 0:18:10.600 Well, I had some some money, like in an account 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.921 that wasn't a National Australia Bank account, and I had 0:18:16.201 --> 0:18:20.720 about eighty thousand dollars in a Hilton laundry back that 0:18:20.801 --> 0:18:27.721 I decided to check in to the height and I thought, 0:18:27.721 --> 0:18:31.200 I'll just put the eighty thousand dollars in the bathtub 0:18:32.120 --> 0:18:35.521 and I'll just live each day until I thought about 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.241 being caught, and I was like, it's pretty like they're 0:18:38.241 --> 0:18:40.400 probably going to send you know, the heavies half to me. 0:18:40.441 --> 0:18:45.521 They'll know where I am sort of thing. So I'm like, well, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.041 I'll just yeah, I'll just wait for them to come. 0:18:49.120 --> 0:18:51.001 But I don't want to pick me up, but you know, 0:18:51.120 --> 0:18:55.080 like mum's house or a friend of mine's house, Like 0:18:55.120 --> 0:18:57.561 I'll just run a hotel room and I'll just stay there, 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.240 you know, like a you know, a modest you know, 0:19:00.521 --> 0:19:03.521 three hundred dollars a night deal room. It's just still 0:19:03.521 --> 0:19:04.440 pretty nice. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.001 With a barath tub full of money. 0:19:06.041 --> 0:19:08.201 With a bathtub full of money, but like eighty grand 0:19:08.201 --> 0:19:09.721 in the bottom of one of those bath tubles, it 0:19:09.721 --> 0:19:10.880 doesn't look much. 0:19:11.961 --> 0:19:12.960 I'll take your word for it. 0:19:15.041 --> 0:19:17.161 I didn't really have many people with me during that time, 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:18.760 because I thought I was just going to get picked up. 0:19:19.041 --> 0:19:21.880 Like I still had a few friends that like stayed 0:19:21.921 --> 0:19:24.361 over and stuff, but we didn't even know, like they 0:19:24.360 --> 0:19:26.761 didn't even know the extent of what happened. But I 0:19:26.761 --> 0:19:29.120 didn't really know them before. So it was like it 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:30.920 wasn't like, no, I'm just going to draw the connection 0:19:31.001 --> 0:19:32.561 with them because I didn't really have a connection. 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:34.041 So are you trying to protect others? 0:19:34.241 --> 0:19:34.441 Yeah? 0:19:34.481 --> 0:19:37.080 Yeah, that's what we said all along, like I'm going 0:19:37.120 --> 0:19:39.921 down for this and I'm not expecting anyone else. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.121 Like it was sort of a thing. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.880 I was like, well, I've got the card and i 0:19:43.921 --> 0:19:46.201 know what we can do, and I've got to give 0:19:46.241 --> 0:19:48.761 money to all you guys because you're not going to 0:19:48.761 --> 0:19:52.240 get prosecuted for it I am, and then hopefully you 0:19:52.241 --> 0:19:54.321 guys will look after me down the track. You know, 0:19:54.360 --> 0:19:57.240 hopefully that that'll be the you know, and you know 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.201 with some people that was on it, and with other 0:20:00.201 --> 0:20:02.601 people it wasn't. So you know, I was like sort 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.160 of I was sort of like hedging my bets in 0:20:04.201 --> 0:20:06.400 a way. You know, if you give you know, if 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.000 you give six people an amount of money, then someone's 0:20:09.041 --> 0:20:10.920 going to like, you know, you know, one out of 0:20:10.961 --> 0:20:12.521 six is going to come back and go, oh, you know, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.280 I remember you gave me that one day. I'm going 0:20:16.360 --> 0:20:18.841 to help you out now sort of thing. So, yeah, 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:20.801 I was the only one going down for it. I 0:20:20.801 --> 0:20:23.360 certainly wasn't going to talk about it with anyone else. 0:20:23.761 --> 0:20:28.561 But yeah, then the craziest thing of the whole thing happened, 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:29.761 and no one came. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:36.761 Nothing. You can hear anything from anyone, No. 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.120