1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:15,441 Speaker 1: Approacha Production, Episode five, The Dingo of Colin Street. If 2 00:00:15,441 --> 00:00:17,761 Speaker 1: you've gotten this far in the podcast, you probably have 3 00:00:17,881 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: some questions like me, questions like did he end up 4 00:00:21,361 --> 00:00:23,921 Speaker 1: going to jail, does he have to pay back in 5 00:00:24,041 --> 00:00:27,281 Speaker 1: either cash? Or did he stash any of the money 6 00:00:27,281 --> 00:00:29,441 Speaker 1: away in a foreign country so we could use it later. 7 00:00:30,281 --> 00:00:32,561 Speaker 1: I can't believe I actually asked that question from Dan, 8 00:00:33,361 --> 00:00:34,641 Speaker 1: and he answered pretty directly. 9 00:00:35,081 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: Firstly, if I. 10 00:00:35,721 --> 00:00:37,521 Speaker 3: Did that, I wouldn't be talking about it with you. 11 00:00:39,921 --> 00:00:40,441 Speaker 1: Good point. 12 00:00:40,561 --> 00:00:43,161 Speaker 2: And secondly, they were just going to tack it off 13 00:00:43,161 --> 00:00:43,601 Speaker 2: me anymore. 14 00:00:44,321 --> 00:00:47,201 Speaker 1: If you've got questions, don't worry later in this episode 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,841 Speaker 1: how you can actually appear in episode eight, and asked 16 00:00:50,881 --> 00:00:53,201 Speaker 1: Dan some of the questions you might have for yourself 17 00:00:53,881 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: in the meantime, I wondered if Dan or any of 18 00:00:56,961 --> 00:00:59,401 Speaker 1: his mates, or at least any of the hangers on 19 00:00:59,761 --> 00:01:02,441 Speaker 1: invested their cash in crypto or something similar. 20 00:01:03,921 --> 00:01:07,601 Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't really a Marke was. Yeah, someone I knew, 21 00:01:07,761 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: and I knew a lot of people at that time, 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: and there was money floating around. But I mean, you know, 23 00:01:12,481 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: everyone got their fair fair whack of changed, so you know, 24 00:01:16,801 --> 00:01:18,921 Speaker 3: anyone could sort of walk up and go hey, Dan, 25 00:01:19,721 --> 00:01:21,681 Speaker 3: you know I want to do this? Can you give 26 00:01:21,721 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: me some money to do it? And most people were like, Dan, 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,161 Speaker 3: I want to dare the two girls at the bar 28 00:01:27,321 --> 00:01:29,441 Speaker 3: to like kiss? Can I five hundred bucks. 29 00:01:29,161 --> 00:01:29,441 Speaker 2: To give it? 30 00:01:29,761 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 3: But then there was other Yeah, there was thinkers. You know, 31 00:01:32,041 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: there's people that are like, hey, Dan, can you give 32 00:01:34,961 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: me some money because I want to start a business. 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,161 Speaker 2: I want to do this. 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: I want to do that, you know, by far and 35 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:45,521 Speaker 3: away the guy who benefited, you know, and people say 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,401 Speaker 3: to me, you know, like he should give you some 37 00:01:47,441 --> 00:01:50,601 Speaker 3: money and all that, and I'm like, look, I don't care. 38 00:01:50,961 --> 00:01:54,521 Speaker 3: Like whatever people did with their little bit of the money, 39 00:01:54,721 --> 00:01:59,001 Speaker 3: that's fine. But apparently he bought you know, some bitcoin 40 00:01:59,281 --> 00:02:01,961 Speaker 3: when it wasn't worth very much, and now it's obviously 41 00:02:02,001 --> 00:02:04,681 Speaker 3: worth quite a lot. I think he probably bought it 42 00:02:04,721 --> 00:02:06,041 Speaker 3: like or bucks. 43 00:02:05,721 --> 00:02:09,641 Speaker 1: But it's worth seventy one down. He wouldn't need. 44 00:02:09,321 --> 00:02:12,281 Speaker 3: To have bought much. Put it that way, like, I 45 00:02:12,321 --> 00:02:15,161 Speaker 3: don't know how much exactly he bought. I don't know 46 00:02:15,201 --> 00:02:19,321 Speaker 3: how much, you know, money he's got now. But he 47 00:02:19,481 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: said to me before, like if you want a car, 48 00:02:23,121 --> 00:02:26,081 Speaker 3: I'll buy it for you. So I can only assume 49 00:02:26,121 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: that he's made some decent money. But you know, again, 50 00:02:29,921 --> 00:02:32,201 Speaker 3: I don't know, and you know, I don't even care, 51 00:02:32,321 --> 00:02:35,401 Speaker 3: because it's like whatever it was, the spirit, it was 52 00:02:35,401 --> 00:02:36,081 Speaker 3: in the spirit of. 53 00:02:36,001 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: The whole thing. 54 00:02:37,001 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: The whole thing was just an absolute you know, you 55 00:02:40,841 --> 00:02:43,161 Speaker 3: got to do what you wanted to with the money. 56 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: And you know a lot of people say to me, oh, 57 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,721 Speaker 3: you know, you wasted all the money. You know, it 58 00:02:48,761 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: wasn't you know, you were done with the money and whatever. 59 00:02:51,081 --> 00:02:55,921 Speaker 3: I was like, find your own ATM car and go 60 00:02:56,041 --> 00:02:58,601 Speaker 3: for it. You know, the loopholes are out there. 61 00:02:58,841 --> 00:03:01,201 Speaker 1: Although this is an amazing story and it sounds like 62 00:03:01,321 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: Dan and his mates were having a brilliant time, at 63 00:03:03,841 --> 00:03:07,161 Speaker 1: some point it was better to end Dan's breaking the law. 64 00:03:07,561 --> 00:03:11,361 Speaker 1: The lawry's breaking is called theft by finding. That's when 65 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: someone takes possession of something but fails to establish who 66 00:03:15,001 --> 00:03:18,961 Speaker 1: owns it, which is essentially what Dan did. It wasn't 67 00:03:19,001 --> 00:03:22,601 Speaker 1: his money, and he knew that, so I guess in 68 00:03:22,721 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: layman's terms, it's like finding a big bag of money 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,441 Speaker 1: on the side of the road and you've got two choices. 70 00:03:29,001 --> 00:03:32,201 Speaker 1: You go and spend that money, or you take it 71 00:03:32,201 --> 00:03:35,561 Speaker 1: to the cops and say I found this bag of money, 72 00:03:35,961 --> 00:03:38,241 Speaker 1: and then I think you wait about three months and 73 00:03:38,281 --> 00:03:42,001 Speaker 1: if no one comes forward, you get the money. I 74 00:03:42,121 --> 00:03:44,161 Speaker 1: wanted to know if Dan ever thought of doing this, 75 00:03:44,841 --> 00:03:48,401 Speaker 1: maybe going to the bank and saying, hey, I found 76 00:03:48,441 --> 00:03:52,041 Speaker 1: this glitch in new system and it's giving me free money. 77 00:03:52,241 --> 00:03:54,641 Speaker 1: I'll show you how it's been happening if you give 78 00:03:54,681 --> 00:03:55,161 Speaker 1: me a job. 79 00:03:57,441 --> 00:03:57,881 Speaker 2: I thought. 80 00:03:59,081 --> 00:04:01,841 Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, like, I've obviously heard stories of people 81 00:04:01,881 --> 00:04:07,081 Speaker 3: doing that before, but yeah, I never I never thought 82 00:04:07,121 --> 00:04:09,921 Speaker 3: that that would be. Every time you talk to them, 83 00:04:10,121 --> 00:04:13,121 Speaker 3: they're very they come across as being quite arrogant. So 84 00:04:13,481 --> 00:04:16,361 Speaker 3: I didn't think that they were going to be on 85 00:04:16,441 --> 00:04:19,241 Speaker 3: board with like, you know, oh you found a. 86 00:04:19,201 --> 00:04:21,921 Speaker 2: Floor in our system. Oh that's very good, thanks very much. 87 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,641 Speaker 3: We'll give you a job now, or you know, like 88 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:26,841 Speaker 3: we'll meet with you. I don't think they would have 89 00:04:26,841 --> 00:04:29,561 Speaker 3: done anything like that. I think they're I think they've 90 00:04:29,601 --> 00:04:31,201 Speaker 3: got a communication issue. 91 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,361 Speaker 1: Since the glitch happened in twenty eleven, you can imagine 92 00:04:35,401 --> 00:04:38,081 Speaker 1: that the banks might have knuckled down on their security. 93 00:04:38,841 --> 00:04:41,041 Speaker 1: We tried to get a bank on to chat about 94 00:04:41,041 --> 00:04:46,041 Speaker 1: their heightened security. Now guess what they said, No, So, 95 00:04:46,161 --> 00:04:50,961 Speaker 1: how did this happen in twenty eleven. Well, each night, 96 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:56,721 Speaker 1: between midnight and early morning, the ATM machines would go 97 00:04:56,801 --> 00:05:00,921 Speaker 1: into what was called standalone mode. This meant that they 98 00:05:00,961 --> 00:05:05,521 Speaker 1: weren't communicating with the bank systems. Now, for me, this 99 00:05:05,601 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: was a Google search, But for Dan he learned this 100 00:05:09,121 --> 00:05:10,641 Speaker 1: glitch firsthand. 101 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,681 Speaker 3: I think they've got smart ATMs now, like they say 102 00:05:14,721 --> 00:05:16,681 Speaker 3: smart ADM. 103 00:05:17,641 --> 00:05:20,041 Speaker 2: You know, the dumb ones of twenty eleven. 104 00:05:22,401 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically it goes into this mode where it's not 105 00:05:26,121 --> 00:05:31,721 Speaker 3: really communicating with the main banks system. I guess it 106 00:05:31,761 --> 00:05:36,601 Speaker 3: can perform transactions, it can perform tasks, but ultimately it 107 00:05:36,641 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: doesn't know exactly you know, how much money is in 108 00:05:39,481 --> 00:05:42,001 Speaker 3: your bank account at that time. And I think, yeah, 109 00:05:42,041 --> 00:05:45,721 Speaker 3: I was doing the transfers at this time, and it 110 00:05:45,841 --> 00:05:47,921 Speaker 3: was just you know, just a bit of call it 111 00:05:47,921 --> 00:05:51,761 Speaker 3: what you want luck, wrong place, right time, right time, 112 00:05:52,001 --> 00:05:54,601 Speaker 3: wrong place, whatever you want to call it. Like it 113 00:05:54,681 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: was just sheer fluke that I found it out. I 114 00:05:58,281 --> 00:05:59,161 Speaker 3: found this out. 115 00:05:59,401 --> 00:06:01,841 Speaker 1: It sounds like it was a really full time job 116 00:06:02,921 --> 00:06:09,401 Speaker 1: for you to daily be thinking about how much you transferred, 117 00:06:09,801 --> 00:06:13,281 Speaker 1: how much needs to go back? Set alarm for midnight? 118 00:06:13,361 --> 00:06:17,161 Speaker 1: Am I going to get close enough? Like that's got it? 119 00:06:17,161 --> 00:06:18,081 Speaker 1: It's got to be tough. 120 00:06:18,721 --> 00:06:20,961 Speaker 3: It was tough, but it was also like the greatest 121 00:06:21,041 --> 00:06:24,241 Speaker 3: job ever as well, because it was like like some 122 00:06:24,241 --> 00:06:26,481 Speaker 3: sort of secret agent, you know, like you had this 123 00:06:26,521 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: little system and to like to be tricking a massive 124 00:06:30,801 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: bank with all these security you know, like they have 125 00:06:36,281 --> 00:06:42,361 Speaker 3: like millions of computers and millions of you know people 126 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,841 Speaker 3: looking at them, you know, constantly monitoring transactions, and like 127 00:06:46,921 --> 00:06:51,001 Speaker 3: it just felt like guy was invisible where I shouldn't 128 00:06:51,001 --> 00:06:51,241 Speaker 3: have been. 129 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,681 Speaker 1: At this point, you have four months in, it's getting 130 00:06:57,681 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: close to the end, which comes in a different way 131 00:07:00,801 --> 00:07:03,281 Speaker 1: than you would expect. Did you think you were going 132 00:07:03,361 --> 00:07:03,801 Speaker 1: to get caught? 133 00:07:03,841 --> 00:07:04,121 Speaker 2: Still? 134 00:07:04,641 --> 00:07:07,361 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I never thought that I wouldn't get caught 135 00:07:08,561 --> 00:07:11,721 Speaker 3: the whole knowing what I know now that I could 136 00:07:11,721 --> 00:07:15,201 Speaker 3: have actually just walked away from this and nothing would 137 00:07:15,201 --> 00:07:18,761 Speaker 3: have happened to me. That blows my mind even more 138 00:07:18,801 --> 00:07:22,201 Speaker 3: than the fact that I, you know, sort of brought 139 00:07:22,241 --> 00:07:25,241 Speaker 3: about my own demise in a way. But I didn't 140 00:07:25,241 --> 00:07:27,841 Speaker 3: see it as being my demise. That was me getting 141 00:07:27,881 --> 00:07:30,841 Speaker 3: my life back because I've lost who I was, so 142 00:07:30,881 --> 00:07:33,841 Speaker 3: I didn't Yeah, I didn't identify with the person that 143 00:07:33,881 --> 00:07:36,561 Speaker 3: I was anymore. So I wanted to take a step 144 00:07:36,601 --> 00:07:39,721 Speaker 3: to get that back, and I thought that ultimately being 145 00:07:39,761 --> 00:07:43,481 Speaker 3: punished for what I did would. 146 00:07:42,681 --> 00:07:43,361 Speaker 2: Be a good start. 147 00:07:44,761 --> 00:07:48,321 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think it's reported in the 148 00:07:48,361 --> 00:07:52,961 Speaker 3: media that like my conscience got me, Like it was 149 00:07:53,001 --> 00:07:56,801 Speaker 3: sort of my conscience a bit. But I'd done everything 150 00:07:56,881 --> 00:07:59,201 Speaker 3: I wanted to do. You know, I didn't want to 151 00:07:59,241 --> 00:08:01,921 Speaker 3: do anything else. All I wanted to do is have 152 00:08:01,961 --> 00:08:04,121 Speaker 3: a great time. And I had a great time. 153 00:08:04,241 --> 00:08:04,961 Speaker 2: It was amazing. 154 00:08:05,721 --> 00:08:08,401 Speaker 3: I wouldn't change any of it, you know. The only 155 00:08:08,441 --> 00:08:12,601 Speaker 3: other option was to go overseas and transfer millions of 156 00:08:12,601 --> 00:08:17,401 Speaker 3: dollars away and ultimately be you know, a fugitive, and 157 00:08:17,401 --> 00:08:21,201 Speaker 3: and that I decided that wasn't me. I remember when 158 00:08:21,241 --> 00:08:24,001 Speaker 3: I decided that I was going to stop, I had 159 00:08:24,001 --> 00:08:28,081 Speaker 3: this sort of twitch in my in my right eye 160 00:08:28,601 --> 00:08:32,841 Speaker 3: that had developed, and it developed is like a little 161 00:08:33,001 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: just a little flicker. 162 00:08:34,321 --> 00:08:35,321 Speaker 2: Underneath my eye. 163 00:08:35,721 --> 00:08:39,201 Speaker 3: Like I thought I was getting some kind of neurological disease, 164 00:08:39,321 --> 00:08:43,281 Speaker 3: Like I thought I was. Yeah, I thought I might 165 00:08:43,321 --> 00:08:48,601 Speaker 3: be affected forever because my like that all the vessels 166 00:08:48,681 --> 00:08:49,761 Speaker 3: underneath my eye. 167 00:08:49,721 --> 00:08:53,721 Speaker 2: Just wouldn't stop pulse haating. And I guess it was 168 00:08:53,761 --> 00:08:54,001 Speaker 2: just a. 169 00:08:55,801 --> 00:08:58,161 Speaker 3: Product of the indrel and running through him for that long. 170 00:08:58,321 --> 00:09:01,281 Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but I started the Yeah, I started 171 00:09:01,321 --> 00:09:04,481 Speaker 3: to show real physical symptoms like something really bad was 172 00:09:04,521 --> 00:09:04,961 Speaker 3: going to happen. 173 00:09:05,761 --> 00:09:08,041 Speaker 2: So yeah, so I had to stop. 174 00:09:08,321 --> 00:09:10,801 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to die. I'll have to stop. 175 00:09:11,041 --> 00:09:14,441 Speaker 3: So yeah, so I told, you know, I told my mates. 176 00:09:14,561 --> 00:09:18,721 Speaker 3: I told old mate and yeah, like he wasn't you know. 177 00:09:18,881 --> 00:09:20,321 Speaker 3: It was like, this is the best thing that's ever 178 00:09:20,401 --> 00:09:20,921 Speaker 3: happened to us. 179 00:09:20,921 --> 00:09:22,641 Speaker 2: What are you doing? You know, why would you? Why 180 00:09:22,681 --> 00:09:23,441 Speaker 2: did you give this up? 181 00:09:23,681 --> 00:09:26,041 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm gonna feel like I'm gonna die, 182 00:09:26,121 --> 00:09:28,441 Speaker 3: Like look in my eye it's like twitching like crazy, 183 00:09:28,841 --> 00:09:29,761 Speaker 3: like this is not good. 184 00:09:29,921 --> 00:09:32,681 Speaker 2: It's not a good situation. He's like, yeah, I know, 185 00:09:32,801 --> 00:09:37,601 Speaker 2: but you know, like yeah, all right, right it's here. Yeah, 186 00:09:37,841 --> 00:09:39,761 Speaker 2: it was real. Yeah, it started. 187 00:09:40,161 --> 00:09:42,441 Speaker 1: It would flicker all day and I was like, n 188 00:09:42,921 --> 00:09:43,521 Speaker 1: I've got. 189 00:09:43,321 --> 00:09:45,161 Speaker 2: To I've got to get out of this. I've got 190 00:09:45,201 --> 00:09:47,241 Speaker 2: to just I'm going to stop doing it. 191 00:09:49,201 --> 00:09:51,761 Speaker 1: I'll get to the moment Dan decided to stop using 192 00:09:51,801 --> 00:09:57,161 Speaker 1: his magic card in this episode and how it all ended. Surely, 193 00:09:57,201 --> 00:10:01,561 Speaker 1: by now the bank's starting to ask questions. Surely they're thinking, 194 00:10:01,921 --> 00:10:05,121 Speaker 1: hang on this, Dan Saunder's bloke doesn't have an the 195 00:10:05,201 --> 00:10:08,481 Speaker 1: income and he's got more than a million dollars owing 196 00:10:08,841 --> 00:10:14,561 Speaker 1: on his credit card. Maybe someone should call him. The 197 00:10:14,561 --> 00:10:17,401 Speaker 1: bank did send Dan some letters, and to be honest, 198 00:10:17,841 --> 00:10:21,641 Speaker 1: it was laughable when you read them. This letter was 199 00:10:21,721 --> 00:10:26,001 Speaker 1: dated the twenty fourth of June twoenty and eleven, a 200 00:10:26,081 --> 00:10:27,761 Speaker 1: few months after the glitch started. 201 00:10:27,841 --> 00:10:31,561 Speaker 3: Dear missus Saunders, did you know your account is overdrawn 202 00:10:31,641 --> 00:10:32,521 Speaker 3: or over its limit? 203 00:10:32,641 --> 00:10:34,201 Speaker 2: Count? Number? Blah blah blah. 204 00:10:34,281 --> 00:10:38,321 Speaker 3: Account balance one million, six hundred and forty nine thousand, 205 00:10:38,441 --> 00:10:42,081 Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty four dollars and fifty nine cents debit. 206 00:10:42,321 --> 00:10:45,361 Speaker 3: This is a reminder that your account is overdrawn and 207 00:10:45,441 --> 00:10:49,761 Speaker 3: has been for twenty days. If you haven't done so already, 208 00:10:49,881 --> 00:10:54,401 Speaker 3: it's important that you pay the overdrawn amount immediately or 209 00:10:54,481 --> 00:10:56,761 Speaker 3: call us and talk about your situation. 210 00:10:57,401 --> 00:10:59,761 Speaker 1: I've had one of these letters before, but never one 211 00:10:59,761 --> 00:11:02,481 Speaker 1: that says my account is overdrawn by one point six 212 00:11:02,561 --> 00:11:07,281 Speaker 1: million dollars. The funny thing is is this letter actually 213 00:11:07,361 --> 00:11:11,441 Speaker 1: arrived a few months after Dan decided to stop spending. 214 00:11:12,241 --> 00:11:15,441 Speaker 1: That's the reason the account was overdrawn, because he was 215 00:11:15,481 --> 00:11:18,801 Speaker 1: no longer transferring cash from one account to the other. 216 00:11:20,041 --> 00:11:25,161 Speaker 1: The stress would have been crazy. Dan's eye started to twitch, 217 00:11:25,881 --> 00:11:30,521 Speaker 1: and his friend and crewmember Evano, remembers seeing him a 218 00:11:30,521 --> 00:11:33,161 Speaker 1: few nights before Dan decided to pull the pin. 219 00:11:34,041 --> 00:11:38,601 Speaker 4: I think it was a mixture of the party, not 220 00:11:38,641 --> 00:11:41,161 Speaker 4: so much the drugs, but just drinking a lot of 221 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:42,241 Speaker 4: alcohol all the time. 222 00:11:43,321 --> 00:11:44,801 Speaker 2: It sort of, Yeah, it got. 223 00:11:44,601 --> 00:11:46,161 Speaker 4: To him a little bit, and I could see the 224 00:11:46,201 --> 00:11:49,361 Speaker 4: pressure was starting to get to him. Something something had 225 00:11:49,601 --> 00:11:54,521 Speaker 4: had ticked. He was a bit more moody. He'd get 226 00:11:54,601 --> 00:11:58,961 Speaker 4: angry really quickly. And this was unlike Dan Locke. He's 227 00:11:59,121 --> 00:12:00,961 Speaker 4: one of the most easy gun blocks you'll ever meet. 228 00:12:01,081 --> 00:12:04,721 Speaker 4: So yeah, there was there was pressure getting to him, 229 00:12:04,721 --> 00:12:05,401 Speaker 4: that's sure. 230 00:12:05,961 --> 00:12:08,241 Speaker 1: Were you then the nightdow and decided that it was over? 231 00:12:09,361 --> 00:12:12,801 Speaker 4: No, I was the night he decided. I was in 232 00:12:12,801 --> 00:12:19,001 Speaker 4: in my grada. Yeah, I was with him the weekend prior, 233 00:12:19,041 --> 00:12:21,561 Speaker 4: which would have only been a few days prior. So, 234 00:12:22,041 --> 00:12:23,921 Speaker 4: but yeah, I wasn't with him at the time. 235 00:12:24,161 --> 00:12:25,561 Speaker 1: How'd you find out he was stopping? 236 00:12:26,201 --> 00:12:29,721 Speaker 4: I'd called him and and this was a few days later, 237 00:12:29,921 --> 00:12:34,761 Speaker 4: And yeah, he wasn't wasn't a partying or anything like that. 238 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:35,281 Speaker 2: He was. 239 00:12:37,321 --> 00:12:38,921 Speaker 4: A little bit, a little bit down and dumps. 240 00:12:38,961 --> 00:12:42,361 Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, yeah, a bit depressed, just just a touch. 241 00:12:42,881 --> 00:12:45,241 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he I think the full weight of what 242 00:12:45,321 --> 00:12:48,761 Speaker 4: he'd done was coming was coming on his shoulders. 243 00:12:49,241 --> 00:12:52,081 Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about this amazing time that he 244 00:12:52,201 --> 00:12:54,601 Speaker 1: had and you had, and you know the other crew 245 00:12:54,641 --> 00:12:59,081 Speaker 1: that were with with you guys. He's pretty anxious. 246 00:12:58,761 --> 00:13:04,161 Speaker 4: Then, anxious about what what would happen. Yeah, he looked 247 00:13:04,281 --> 00:13:07,681 Speaker 4: he knew he was probably going to jail. 248 00:13:08,321 --> 00:13:09,801 Speaker 1: Had he talked about that with you? 249 00:13:09,881 --> 00:13:11,601 Speaker 4: Yeah, this at this point he had. 250 00:13:11,681 --> 00:13:14,161 Speaker 1: Yeah, So by this stage, you know what's going on. 251 00:13:14,241 --> 00:13:15,281 Speaker 4: By this stage I had known. 252 00:13:15,361 --> 00:13:15,601 Speaker 2: Yeah. 253 00:13:15,761 --> 00:13:18,241 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was fairly late on the piece that 254 00:13:18,281 --> 00:13:20,761 Speaker 4: I actually found out the full extent of it. But yeah, 255 00:13:21,001 --> 00:13:24,401 Speaker 4: by this stage, I definitely knew what was going on. Yeah. 256 00:13:24,481 --> 00:13:27,561 Speaker 3: I remember the night before, the night before I decided 257 00:13:27,601 --> 00:13:33,161 Speaker 3: to give up, give it up, we were talking and 258 00:13:33,361 --> 00:13:36,321 Speaker 3: I was we're sort of talking about how much you know, 259 00:13:36,321 --> 00:13:40,961 Speaker 3: because it was very big that we were going to 260 00:13:41,161 --> 00:13:43,521 Speaker 3: like I was going to go to jail, and we're 261 00:13:43,641 --> 00:13:45,841 Speaker 3: sort of talking about it at the table. How long 262 00:13:47,041 --> 00:13:49,321 Speaker 3: are you're going to go How long do you reckon 263 00:13:49,321 --> 00:13:51,241 Speaker 3: you'll go to jail for sort of thing? And I 264 00:13:51,321 --> 00:13:54,721 Speaker 3: was saying, like maybe ten years. I don't know it's 265 00:13:54,761 --> 00:13:57,121 Speaker 3: pretty you know, it's got pretty out of hand. 266 00:13:58,081 --> 00:14:00,481 Speaker 1: And how much were an indent by that stage? 267 00:14:01,041 --> 00:14:04,321 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like I think I think of that one 268 00:14:04,361 --> 00:14:06,961 Speaker 2: boy six. Yeah, this lady over her. 269 00:14:07,401 --> 00:14:10,241 Speaker 3: She comes to me later and she's like, I heard 270 00:14:10,281 --> 00:14:12,041 Speaker 3: you're going to go to jail for all this. Like 271 00:14:12,081 --> 00:14:16,001 Speaker 3: we're you know, in some residential sweet somewhere and everyone's 272 00:14:16,001 --> 00:14:17,881 Speaker 3: having a great time, and you know, I was just 273 00:14:17,921 --> 00:14:21,721 Speaker 3: having a private conversation with a couple of mates. She goes, look, 274 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:25,641 Speaker 3: I've had a great day. I want you to think 275 00:14:25,681 --> 00:14:30,361 Speaker 3: about this in jail, and she basically grabs me. And 276 00:14:30,441 --> 00:14:33,721 Speaker 3: she didn't I'm not going to say I was sexually assaulted, 277 00:14:33,841 --> 00:14:36,881 Speaker 3: but but she grabbed me and pretty much like had 278 00:14:37,361 --> 00:14:38,401 Speaker 3: had her away with me. 279 00:14:38,481 --> 00:14:39,201 Speaker 2: Right then and there. 280 00:14:40,041 --> 00:14:42,721 Speaker 3: During the time that she was doing that, she was 281 00:14:43,201 --> 00:14:45,161 Speaker 3: like it almost turned her on in a way. I'm 282 00:14:45,201 --> 00:14:48,721 Speaker 3: not sure, but she like was just saying to me repeatedly, 283 00:14:49,321 --> 00:14:51,801 Speaker 3: think about this when you're in jail. Think about this 284 00:14:51,841 --> 00:14:54,401 Speaker 3: when you're in jail. It was a bit of a 285 00:14:54,641 --> 00:14:59,001 Speaker 3: like psycho moment, but also it seemed like a nice 286 00:14:59,081 --> 00:15:01,721 Speaker 3: ending point, like I was just like, yeah, okay, you 287 00:15:01,721 --> 00:15:04,121 Speaker 3: know what, right, this is all getting a bit bit 288 00:15:04,241 --> 00:15:08,081 Speaker 3: nutso so I'm like, yeah, I think this is it. 289 00:15:08,161 --> 00:15:09,481 Speaker 2: I think this is the end. 290 00:15:13,081 --> 00:15:16,121 Speaker 3: So I announced it to the guys. I said look. 291 00:15:16,281 --> 00:15:18,081 Speaker 3: The next day, I said, look, I'm going to stop 292 00:15:18,081 --> 00:15:19,281 Speaker 3: doing the transfer. 293 00:15:18,921 --> 00:15:21,401 Speaker 2: To no, Like, what are you talking about? 294 00:15:21,761 --> 00:15:26,441 Speaker 3: You know, it's been a couple of guys were like, look, 295 00:15:26,841 --> 00:15:28,841 Speaker 3: it's fair enough. Do whatever you want to do, like 296 00:15:29,441 --> 00:15:32,721 Speaker 3: it's it's been a journey. It's been amazing and we'll 297 00:15:32,721 --> 00:15:37,561 Speaker 3: never forget it. And then yeah, old mate was like, hey, 298 00:15:38,321 --> 00:15:41,121 Speaker 3: like you got to keep going, but you can't stop now, 299 00:15:41,361 --> 00:15:44,281 Speaker 3: Like like I think he said, don't be soft, like 300 00:15:44,441 --> 00:15:49,681 Speaker 3: just kid like it was crazy individual anyway. 301 00:15:49,361 --> 00:15:50,601 Speaker 1: Are you still friends with old mate now? 302 00:15:51,241 --> 00:15:53,321 Speaker 3: Yeah, like are still friends? I don't really see him, 303 00:15:53,361 --> 00:15:57,281 Speaker 3: but but like I can sider him a friend. He's like, 304 00:15:57,321 --> 00:15:58,561 Speaker 3: you gotta do it, you got to do it, and 305 00:15:58,601 --> 00:16:01,401 Speaker 3: I'm like, look, I can't do it anymore. 306 00:16:01,481 --> 00:16:01,921 Speaker 2: That's it. 307 00:16:02,001 --> 00:16:05,321 Speaker 3: Like you see this high, like it's getting worse. I'm 308 00:16:05,321 --> 00:16:06,481 Speaker 3: not going to do it anymore. 309 00:16:06,681 --> 00:16:07,161 Speaker 2: That's it. 310 00:16:07,401 --> 00:16:09,161 Speaker 3: I've decided I'm not going to go overseas. I'm not 311 00:16:09,201 --> 00:16:12,721 Speaker 3: going to do it anymore. I'm going to stop. That night, 312 00:16:13,201 --> 00:16:17,961 Speaker 3: I opened up internet banking and I just logged on 313 00:16:19,081 --> 00:16:22,601 Speaker 3: and then I just gave the laptop to the to 314 00:16:22,681 --> 00:16:24,961 Speaker 3: all the guys, like just passed it around and said, 315 00:16:24,961 --> 00:16:28,641 Speaker 3: if you want to transfer any money anywhere else, just 316 00:16:28,681 --> 00:16:31,321 Speaker 3: do it. I don't want to know about it. I 317 00:16:31,361 --> 00:16:35,681 Speaker 3: don't care, but if you want to do it, just 318 00:16:35,761 --> 00:16:39,401 Speaker 3: do it now. And that's it. I don't even know 319 00:16:39,441 --> 00:16:41,921 Speaker 3: if they did. I'm not sure. You know, Quite often 320 00:16:41,961 --> 00:16:44,601 Speaker 3: the loudest person in the room is like, once they've 321 00:16:44,601 --> 00:16:46,521 Speaker 3: got to transfer it to their account. 322 00:16:46,121 --> 00:16:48,481 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I don't know about that, you. 323 00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:51,241 Speaker 3: Know, so you know, you find out who's a bit 324 00:16:51,281 --> 00:16:55,241 Speaker 3: soft in the end. But yeah, I was done. 325 00:16:55,521 --> 00:16:56,241 Speaker 1: I was done. 326 00:16:56,601 --> 00:17:00,721 Speaker 2: So I went to sleep. It was weird not going 327 00:17:00,761 --> 00:17:01,481 Speaker 2: to the ATM. 328 00:17:01,881 --> 00:17:03,601 Speaker 1: It was like, that's first night for four months. 329 00:17:05,281 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: To one. I was like, you can still go, you 330 00:17:08,881 --> 00:17:11,241 Speaker 2: can still go, you can still keep me gun. There's 331 00:17:11,281 --> 00:17:14,041 Speaker 2: still part of me. Guy, I was still to a tin. 332 00:17:14,241 --> 00:17:17,321 Speaker 1: This is like a drug addiction, right, yeah, gambling addiction, 333 00:17:17,521 --> 00:17:19,161 Speaker 1: Like this is cold turkey. 334 00:17:19,281 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah. So yeah, so I ultimately just just stopped 335 00:17:25,481 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: doing it. 336 00:17:25,721 --> 00:17:29,321 Speaker 3: And then I know the ship would He hit the 337 00:17:29,321 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 3: fan at the bank the next day, probably because the 338 00:17:31,801 --> 00:17:34,761 Speaker 3: accounts went into into debit by millions. 339 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:44,801 Speaker 5: And Dan decides to go cold Turkey, just cut off 340 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,961 Speaker 5: the cash stat and he now has over one point 341 00:17:49,041 --> 00:17:52,921 Speaker 5: six million dollars in debt on his account and no 342 00:17:53,041 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 5: job to pay it off. 343 00:17:54,721 --> 00:17:56,401 Speaker 1: So what does he do? 344 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, what can you do? I mean it 345 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,361 Speaker 2: was I had a little bit of money left, and. 346 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: What's a little bit of money? 347 00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: Well, I had some some money, like in an account 348 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,921 Speaker 3: that wasn't a National Australia Bank account, and I had 349 00:18:16,201 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: about eighty thousand dollars in a Hilton laundry back that 350 00:18:20,801 --> 00:18:27,721 Speaker 3: I decided to check in to the height and I thought, 351 00:18:27,721 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 3: I'll just put the eighty thousand dollars in the bathtub 352 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:35,521 Speaker 3: and I'll just live each day until I thought about 353 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,241 Speaker 3: being caught, and I was like, it's pretty like they're 354 00:18:38,241 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 3: probably going to send you know, the heavies half to me. 355 00:18:40,441 --> 00:18:45,521 Speaker 3: They'll know where I am sort of thing. So I'm like, well, 356 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,041 Speaker 3: I'll just yeah, I'll just wait for them to come. 357 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,001 Speaker 3: But I don't want to pick me up, but you know, 358 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: like mum's house or a friend of mine's house, Like 359 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,561 Speaker 3: I'll just run a hotel room and I'll just stay there, 360 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: you know, like a you know, a modest you know, 361 00:19:00,521 --> 00:19:03,521 Speaker 3: three hundred dollars a night deal room. It's just still 362 00:19:03,521 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: pretty nice. 363 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,001 Speaker 1: With a barath tub full of money. 364 00:19:06,041 --> 00:19:08,201 Speaker 3: With a bathtub full of money, but like eighty grand 365 00:19:08,201 --> 00:19:09,721 Speaker 3: in the bottom of one of those bath tubles, it 366 00:19:09,721 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 3: doesn't look much. 367 00:19:11,961 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: I'll take your word for it. 368 00:19:15,041 --> 00:19:17,161 Speaker 3: I didn't really have many people with me during that time, 369 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: because I thought I was just going to get picked up. 370 00:19:19,041 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 3: Like I still had a few friends that like stayed 371 00:19:21,921 --> 00:19:24,361 Speaker 3: over and stuff, but we didn't even know, like they 372 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:26,761 Speaker 3: didn't even know the extent of what happened. But I 373 00:19:26,761 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 3: didn't really know them before. So it was like it 374 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: wasn't like, no, I'm just going to draw the connection 375 00:19:31,001 --> 00:19:32,561 Speaker 3: with them because I didn't really have a connection. 376 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,041 Speaker 1: So are you trying to protect others? 377 00:19:34,241 --> 00:19:34,441 Speaker 2: Yeah? 378 00:19:34,481 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we said all along, like I'm going 379 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,921 Speaker 3: down for this and I'm not expecting anyone else. 380 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,121 Speaker 2: Like it was sort of a thing. 381 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 3: I was like, well, I've got the card and i 382 00:19:43,921 --> 00:19:46,201 Speaker 3: know what we can do, and I've got to give 383 00:19:46,241 --> 00:19:48,761 Speaker 3: money to all you guys because you're not going to 384 00:19:48,761 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: get prosecuted for it I am, and then hopefully you 385 00:19:52,241 --> 00:19:54,321 Speaker 3: guys will look after me down the track. You know, 386 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: hopefully that that'll be the you know, and you know 387 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,201 Speaker 3: with some people that was on it, and with other 388 00:20:00,201 --> 00:20:02,601 Speaker 3: people it wasn't. So you know, I was like sort 389 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: of I was sort of like hedging my bets in 390 00:20:04,201 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 3: a way. You know, if you give you know, if 391 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: you give six people an amount of money, then someone's 392 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 3: going to like, you know, you know, one out of 393 00:20:10,961 --> 00:20:12,521 Speaker 3: six is going to come back and go, oh, you know, 394 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: I remember you gave me that one day. I'm going 395 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:18,841 Speaker 3: to help you out now sort of thing. So, yeah, 396 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,801 Speaker 3: I was the only one going down for it. I 397 00:20:20,801 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: certainly wasn't going to talk about it with anyone else. 398 00:20:23,761 --> 00:20:28,561 Speaker 3: But yeah, then the craziest thing of the whole thing happened, 399 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,761 Speaker 3: and no one came. 400 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:36,761 Speaker 2: Nothing. You can hear anything from anyone, No. 401 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: Cops, no nothing, no bank nothing, no phone call nothing. 402 00:20:41,041 --> 00:20:47,001 Speaker 3: The only phone call I got was the VIP manager 403 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:52,681 Speaker 3: from the betting accounts, Hey, damn, why don't you come 404 00:20:52,721 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: back and have a bet. Even when I was on bail, 405 00:20:58,201 --> 00:21:01,161 Speaker 3: I used to get those calls like all you know, 406 00:21:01,241 --> 00:21:04,521 Speaker 3: two years later, even when the story was in the media, 407 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 3: people from betting companies ringing saying when are you going 408 00:21:08,721 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: to put your next to positive insane. It's like, do 409 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,401 Speaker 3: you guys read the news. 410 00:21:17,281 --> 00:21:20,401 Speaker 1: So you're not getting caught anytime soon. No one's calling, 411 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: cops aren't arriving at your door. 412 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,521 Speaker 3: No one did anything, so don't understand why. I've got 413 00:21:27,521 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 3: to make contact with him somehow. But it's not an 414 00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: easy thing to do. You can't just go in and 415 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: talk to the talent. 416 00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:37,921 Speaker 2: She doesn't know or he doesn't know. So I went 417 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,481 Speaker 2: into a NAB branch and I called the house phone. 418 00:21:40,561 --> 00:21:44,321 Speaker 3: I said, look, there's been some weird transactions on my accounts. 419 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,481 Speaker 2: I'm in the bank and I'm. 420 00:21:47,321 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: Talking to the first person I get met, putting me 421 00:21:50,281 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 3: on and on hold, on hold, on hold, and then eventually, 422 00:21:54,481 --> 00:21:57,041 Speaker 3: after twenty minutes, I get through this guy named Bernie. 423 00:21:57,681 --> 00:22:00,841 Speaker 3: Bernie was like, you're all like your school principal type, 424 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 3: you know, like very you know, gets on the phone. 425 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,241 Speaker 3: He says, we won't be giving you any more more money. 426 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,761 Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure you know why. 427 00:22:09,281 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, well I didn't ask for any 428 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 3: more money number one and number two, Yeah, I was 429 00:22:15,921 --> 00:22:19,281 Speaker 3: wondering what's going on with that, you know, because it's 430 00:22:19,321 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: been a little while. And he said, well, it's a 431 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: matter for the police now. And I think I said, 432 00:22:26,281 --> 00:22:29,041 Speaker 3: I don't know why, but I think I said, oh sorry. 433 00:22:29,241 --> 00:22:34,681 Speaker 3: I think I said really sorry or something. He said, well, sorry, 434 00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:37,521 Speaker 3: he's not going to cut it. You're going to jail 435 00:22:37,561 --> 00:22:40,481 Speaker 3: for a long time. Then he said something that sort 436 00:22:40,481 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: of hurted me a bit. He said, you've ruined your 437 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 3: life now, and I sort of thought, his life. 438 00:22:46,001 --> 00:22:48,561 Speaker 2: Are you talking about? You don't know any about me. 439 00:22:50,521 --> 00:22:52,681 Speaker 3: I reckon, you've ruined your life because you worked at. 440 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,041 Speaker 2: A bank for forty years, you know what I mean, 441 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: each of their own mate. 442 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,081 Speaker 3: Basically, you're in a lot of trouble now. It's police investigation. 443 00:23:00,441 --> 00:23:01,441 Speaker 3: We can't talk to you. 444 00:23:01,761 --> 00:23:05,241 Speaker 2: Goodbye. So I was like, okay, well. 445 00:23:06,801 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: How are you feeling? At that stage, I was like, 446 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,521 Speaker 1: you know, my I. 447 00:23:10,481 --> 00:23:11,761 Speaker 2: Didn't get the twitchy I back. 448 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 3: I lost the twitchy ice straight away, which I was 449 00:23:14,481 --> 00:23:15,641 Speaker 3: real happy about. 450 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: That was a big issue for me anyway. So I 451 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,521 Speaker 2: went back to the hotel. 452 00:23:23,921 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well, yeah, it's at least I've learned something, right, 453 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,481 Speaker 3: it's police investigation now. 454 00:23:30,961 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: Now. 455 00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: Come Eventually after that called to the bank from the 456 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:37,801 Speaker 1: house phone, chatting with Bernie. You'd expect cops to bust 457 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: down the door of the hyats and find Dan in 458 00:23:40,481 --> 00:23:43,561 Speaker 1: his hotel robe, eating and drinking with eighty K and 459 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:50,561 Speaker 1: Cash sitting in the hotel bath. Keep them all civilian outside. 460 00:23:51,961 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: But that doesn't happen. 461 00:23:54,281 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 3: So anyway, one month goes past, I run out of 462 00:23:57,201 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 3: money in the bath stump. So I'm like, you know 463 00:23:59,921 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: that that kind of backfired because I thought I'd be 464 00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 3: arrested here and I, okay, well now I'm just going 465 00:24:06,521 --> 00:24:10,641 Speaker 3: to go catch it. So I went to a few 466 00:24:10,681 --> 00:24:11,641 Speaker 3: friends and you know. 467 00:24:11,921 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 2: Hey, me, how are you going still here? Oh? Dad? 468 00:24:17,801 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: Dance back O great. 469 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,561 Speaker 3: So, you know, just did the normal suburban stuff. You know, 470 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,161 Speaker 3: I had barbies and you know, that sort of thing 471 00:24:28,561 --> 00:24:29,721 Speaker 3: just killed a bit of time. 472 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:31,521 Speaker 1: Are these the crew? Some of the crew that you 473 00:24:31,561 --> 00:24:32,161 Speaker 1: were hanging. 474 00:24:31,921 --> 00:24:35,281 Speaker 3: With, some of them are not really like more other friends? Yeah, 475 00:24:35,801 --> 00:24:38,241 Speaker 3: people I met during the time and stuff like that. 476 00:24:38,921 --> 00:24:41,321 Speaker 3: I lost some friends, but I made it made a 477 00:24:41,321 --> 00:24:45,441 Speaker 3: few as well. So yeah, so I was just sort 478 00:24:45,481 --> 00:24:48,881 Speaker 3: of hanging out with them and then yeah, I think 479 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,761 Speaker 3: three months ago is past and still nothing. So I'm 480 00:24:52,801 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 3: just like, well, what am I supposed to do? 481 00:24:57,321 --> 00:24:59,241 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just go back and get a job. 482 00:24:59,921 --> 00:25:02,601 Speaker 1: So did you see a lawyer in this time at all? 483 00:25:04,561 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: I saw a lawyer to a sort of ask, but 484 00:25:07,561 --> 00:25:09,361 Speaker 3: most lawyers said to me, just just. 485 00:25:09,561 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: Shut up about it. I don't don't even worry about it. 486 00:25:13,481 --> 00:25:14,561 Speaker 1: How did you pay for the lawyer? 487 00:25:16,721 --> 00:25:21,321 Speaker 3: Well, my eventual lawyer, I paid with the money in 488 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 3: the other account, which was the NAB money. So eighty grand. 489 00:25:27,321 --> 00:25:32,521 Speaker 1: So hang on, you're paying a lawyer too, hopefully get 490 00:25:32,561 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: you out of not going to jail for taking money 491 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,401 Speaker 1: from the NAB. With the money from the NAB. 492 00:25:39,521 --> 00:25:41,721 Speaker 3: He didn't ask where the cash came from either. It's 493 00:25:41,801 --> 00:25:45,281 Speaker 3: interesting anyway. Yeah, yeah, that's. 494 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:45,561 Speaker 2: What I did. 495 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,521 Speaker 1: So three months goes past. 496 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, three months goes past, and so I'm like, well, 497 00:25:53,761 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: I might as well just get. 498 00:25:54,521 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: A job, get back on the horse, so to speak. 499 00:25:58,001 --> 00:26:03,441 Speaker 3: And yeah, so I started working in a place called Ringwood, 500 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,321 Speaker 3: a place called bos Sammy, I don't think it's there anymore, 501 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: but full time job. And then always had you know, 502 00:26:10,721 --> 00:26:12,481 Speaker 3: lingering in my mind, you know. 503 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,521 Speaker 2: Like they're going to tap you on my shoulder sooner 504 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,361 Speaker 2: or later. And yeah, it's sort of. 505 00:26:21,201 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 3: It sort of went to the point where I was like, 506 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,641 Speaker 3: maybe I'm just gonna walk away from this and never 507 00:26:29,041 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 3: you know, sort of know anything. I think it's just 508 00:26:31,201 --> 00:26:33,761 Speaker 3: gonna it's just gonna go away. But then there was 509 00:26:33,761 --> 00:26:36,001 Speaker 3: a big part of me saying, well, you can't just 510 00:26:36,041 --> 00:26:38,281 Speaker 3: walk away from something like this. I mean, they're gonna 511 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: they're going to catch up with you eventually. They're just 512 00:26:40,241 --> 00:26:42,721 Speaker 3: taking their sweet time, you know, And I suppose that's 513 00:26:42,721 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: all I've got. You know, all I've got is to 514 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,561 Speaker 3: just hang me out for a little bit and let 515 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,001 Speaker 3: me sort of you know, uh stew on the window 516 00:26:51,321 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: so to speak, you know, like something like that. 517 00:26:53,761 --> 00:26:57,441 Speaker 2: So, yeah, so I went back to work. 518 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:02,961 Speaker 3: And that was fine for about I mean that would 519 00:27:02,961 --> 00:27:07,041 Speaker 3: have been towards the end of twenty eleven. 520 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: It really feels like Dan has just gone back to 521 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:15,401 Speaker 1: normal life. Months have passed, no police knocking on doors, 522 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: no calls from the bank, no jail. I mean, it 523 00:27:19,281 --> 00:27:24,641 Speaker 1: feels like Dan has gotten off scot free. Sure, he's 524 00:27:24,681 --> 00:27:28,521 Speaker 1: got one point six million dollars overdrawn on his accounts 525 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: that have been closed by the NAB, but that's about 526 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,001 Speaker 1: the worst of it. Dan gets a job at a 527 00:27:35,041 --> 00:27:39,041 Speaker 1: restaurant and starts working again like he did back in 528 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,521 Speaker 1: Wangarata before the glitch happened. 529 00:27:42,681 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: So I worked there twenty eleven into twenty twelve. In 530 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,041 Speaker 3: December twenty twelve, I get to work one day and 531 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,281 Speaker 3: the manager has left. I was like a supervisor, and 532 00:27:56,321 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 3: the managers left the keys on the on the table, 533 00:28:00,481 --> 00:28:03,881 Speaker 3: his keys on the table with a little note saying, 534 00:28:04,281 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 3: you know, I can't there been a problem with people 535 00:28:06,681 --> 00:28:11,041 Speaker 3: getting paid. So I was on a couple of weeks pay, 536 00:28:11,761 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: and then there was kitchen staff. There were only a 537 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,761 Speaker 3: couple of weeks pay. And so I just got left 538 00:28:19,801 --> 00:28:24,241 Speaker 3: this restaurant where the staff hadn't been paid. 539 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:27,521 Speaker 1: And you're going to assume management duties essentially. 540 00:28:27,321 --> 00:28:29,801 Speaker 3: Well essentially, yeah, I mean I could have walked away too, 541 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,281 Speaker 3: I guess. But I mean I was like, well, you know, 542 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 3: surely it's going to you know, surely they can't just 543 00:28:37,521 --> 00:28:38,641 Speaker 3: not pay everyone'nluckily. 544 00:28:39,161 --> 00:28:40,361 Speaker 2: It's going to turn around soon. 545 00:28:40,681 --> 00:28:43,761 Speaker 3: The owners of the place, I got them, I got 546 00:28:43,801 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 3: them on the phone eventually, and they said, I was 547 00:28:46,721 --> 00:28:48,721 Speaker 3: just having you know, some cash flow issues. It will 548 00:28:48,761 --> 00:28:52,041 Speaker 3: be sorted soon. Just keep running at the restaurant, you know, 549 00:28:52,321 --> 00:28:56,601 Speaker 3: like everyone got paid. I'm like, okay, we'll keep running 550 00:28:56,601 --> 00:29:00,001 Speaker 3: the restaurant. Sure, So for the next week, we just 551 00:29:00,081 --> 00:29:02,961 Speaker 3: ran the restaurant as normal, and then the next week 552 00:29:03,001 --> 00:29:06,721 Speaker 3: we didn't get paid either, so became sort of apparent 553 00:29:06,801 --> 00:29:10,281 Speaker 3: that they weren't they didn't have any intention of and 554 00:29:10,401 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 3: every every dollar that was going through on FPOs on 555 00:29:13,801 --> 00:29:17,561 Speaker 3: the cards was just being that that got paid to 556 00:29:17,681 --> 00:29:20,041 Speaker 3: a bank account that we didn't as a manager of 557 00:29:20,081 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: that restaurant, I didn't have any access to, so that 558 00:29:24,561 --> 00:29:28,161 Speaker 3: was all going out to a head office. Then just 559 00:29:28,241 --> 00:29:31,321 Speaker 3: these two guys show up I don't nowhere really and 560 00:29:31,441 --> 00:29:34,961 Speaker 3: say I wear from the Collingwood Football Club and we're 561 00:29:35,001 --> 00:29:37,321 Speaker 3: going to buy this restaurant. 562 00:29:37,561 --> 00:29:39,721 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay, great. 563 00:29:39,601 --> 00:29:42,561 Speaker 3: So I thought, okay, so they're going to they're going 564 00:29:42,601 --> 00:29:45,601 Speaker 3: to buy the restaurant. They seem he was he was 565 00:29:46,001 --> 00:29:48,281 Speaker 3: involved in you know, he looked legit. He was from 566 00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:51,041 Speaker 3: from Collingwood. He said that the club was going to 567 00:29:51,121 --> 00:29:54,441 Speaker 3: buy the restaurant. So I was like, fine, no problem. 568 00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:59,121 Speaker 3: And so we decided as a collective group that we 569 00:29:59,161 --> 00:30:01,961 Speaker 3: would run the restaurant for cash because it was still 570 00:30:01,961 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: owned by the previous owners. So they said, look, can 571 00:30:05,801 --> 00:30:08,521 Speaker 3: everyone stay on board because we're going to have a 572 00:30:08,601 --> 00:30:12,281 Speaker 3: changeover in a few weeks. And so I thought, well, 573 00:30:12,601 --> 00:30:15,721 Speaker 3: what we'll do is we'll run the restaurant for cash, 574 00:30:15,761 --> 00:30:21,121 Speaker 3: and the whole team agreed, and we'll pay back every 575 00:30:21,601 --> 00:30:26,921 Speaker 3: staff entitlement via cash over the next sort of three weeks, 576 00:30:27,161 --> 00:30:28,961 Speaker 3: so we can at least get some other money back. 577 00:30:29,201 --> 00:30:31,241 Speaker 3: I didn't know whether I was like the cleaner hadn't 578 00:30:31,281 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: been paid for seven weeks, and like it was it 579 00:30:33,521 --> 00:30:36,921 Speaker 3: was quite a situation like there that the suppliers hadn't 580 00:30:36,961 --> 00:30:39,121 Speaker 3: been paid, so they were all coming in, you know, 581 00:30:39,481 --> 00:30:41,721 Speaker 3: threatening and chop people's legs off and that sort of 582 00:30:41,801 --> 00:30:42,921 Speaker 3: thing if they didn't get paid. 583 00:30:43,281 --> 00:30:44,801 Speaker 2: It was quite a situation. 584 00:30:44,961 --> 00:30:47,081 Speaker 3: It was a bit of a pressure cook but still 585 00:30:47,081 --> 00:30:50,921 Speaker 3: no twitch, right, So I've been through, you know, and 586 00:30:51,161 --> 00:30:54,161 Speaker 3: you know, these this kind of stuff before I find 587 00:30:54,201 --> 00:30:56,521 Speaker 3: out that these guys who said they were from Collingwood, 588 00:30:57,881 --> 00:30:59,881 Speaker 3: very very close with the previous owners. 589 00:30:59,961 --> 00:31:02,401 Speaker 2: And what they're doing is they're phoenix into place. 590 00:31:03,041 --> 00:31:06,761 Speaker 3: So they're basically they're bring in like they're acting like 591 00:31:06,801 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 3: they're selling it, but it's really just a just a changeover. 592 00:31:10,401 --> 00:31:12,761 Speaker 3: And then all the debts get wiped and you know, 593 00:31:13,161 --> 00:31:15,601 Speaker 3: anyone who wants to stay on, they go, oh, we're new, 594 00:31:15,801 --> 00:31:16,721 Speaker 3: so you. 595 00:31:16,681 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: Know, that debt exists, doesn't exist anymore, it exists with 596 00:31:20,481 --> 00:31:20,841 Speaker 1: someone else. 597 00:31:20,961 --> 00:31:22,281 Speaker 2: You'rero three weeks pay. 598 00:31:22,681 --> 00:31:26,321 Speaker 3: Sorry about that, but you know, right. So I learned 599 00:31:26,321 --> 00:31:29,641 Speaker 3: that the guy coming in from Collingwood obviously won't name anyone, 600 00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:32,841 Speaker 3: but the guy coming in from Collingwood, I learned that 601 00:31:33,161 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 3: he was a business advisor to the previous owners. So 602 00:31:39,681 --> 00:31:42,081 Speaker 3: they were very very close, Like it didn't take much 603 00:31:42,121 --> 00:31:46,081 Speaker 3: research online to figure that out. So basically I was like, well, 604 00:31:46,121 --> 00:31:49,081 Speaker 3: look if they come in and they sought everything out, 605 00:31:49,121 --> 00:31:51,161 Speaker 3: like I don't have an issue, Like it's fine, you know. 606 00:31:52,081 --> 00:31:54,841 Speaker 3: So they said that you know people people should you know, 607 00:31:54,961 --> 00:31:56,921 Speaker 3: will get paid with the settlement and all that, but 608 00:31:56,961 --> 00:31:58,881 Speaker 3: it was all just a bit of a bit of 609 00:31:58,961 --> 00:32:04,121 Speaker 3: a face. So they employed They were so underprepared that 610 00:32:04,161 --> 00:32:08,681 Speaker 3: they employed me as their manager moving forward under the 611 00:32:08,721 --> 00:32:12,841 Speaker 3: new ownership. So I was like, these guys have just 612 00:32:13,721 --> 00:32:19,881 Speaker 3: done this massive, shonky job. So basically I ran the 613 00:32:19,881 --> 00:32:23,201 Speaker 3: restaurant for them for the next month and a half, 614 00:32:23,241 --> 00:32:28,641 Speaker 3: two months and then after Australia. After Australia, I still 615 00:32:28,641 --> 00:32:32,601 Speaker 3: had the chicken man. He was threatening to cut my 616 00:32:32,681 --> 00:32:34,441 Speaker 3: legs off, so I knew I had to. 617 00:32:34,361 --> 00:32:36,401 Speaker 1: Get him the chicken man being the one that sold 618 00:32:36,481 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: chickens to the restaurant. Yeah okay, yeah, happily named the 619 00:32:40,281 --> 00:32:40,721 Speaker 1: chicken man. 620 00:32:40,841 --> 00:32:44,321 Speaker 2: Yeah, the chicken man. He was like he was scary. 621 00:32:44,361 --> 00:32:48,881 Speaker 3: Actually during this time that the Ringwood magistrates caught right, 622 00:32:49,401 --> 00:32:53,001 Speaker 3: used to come over for lunches. So the magistrates and 623 00:32:53,001 --> 00:32:55,601 Speaker 3: stuff came over and one of them asked me one day, 624 00:32:56,281 --> 00:32:58,681 Speaker 3: why are you running the restaurant for cash? And I 625 00:32:58,721 --> 00:33:00,881 Speaker 3: told him the whole situation. I was like, oh, this 626 00:33:00,921 --> 00:33:05,561 Speaker 3: is going on, you know, and anyway, so you know 627 00:33:05,601 --> 00:33:07,401 Speaker 3: it's very interesting, right right. 628 00:33:08,521 --> 00:33:11,361 Speaker 2: And so we got the sheriff showing up. 629 00:33:11,441 --> 00:33:14,561 Speaker 3: You know, like all this will be in the records. 630 00:33:15,081 --> 00:33:16,361 Speaker 2: It's not like I'm making it up. 631 00:33:16,441 --> 00:33:19,481 Speaker 3: Like the the sheriff was there trying to collect money, 632 00:33:19,521 --> 00:33:22,601 Speaker 3: you know, all that sort of thing. Australia after Australia 633 00:33:22,641 --> 00:33:24,401 Speaker 3: Day Weekend, Big weekend. 634 00:33:24,761 --> 00:33:27,681 Speaker 1: I went, this is two thousand and thirteen, twenty thirty. 635 00:33:27,881 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 3: You guys need to be taught a lesson, right, So 636 00:33:31,561 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: I took all the money out of the safe to 637 00:33:35,321 --> 00:33:38,961 Speaker 3: pay the chicken man. I needed cash, so I took 638 00:33:39,521 --> 00:33:42,881 Speaker 3: like twenty one thousand dollars out of the safe. After 639 00:33:42,921 --> 00:33:45,881 Speaker 3: Austraight day weekend, and I gave the chicken man ten 640 00:33:45,961 --> 00:33:48,641 Speaker 3: grand and then I took some of the staff out. 641 00:33:48,481 --> 00:33:52,001 Speaker 2: For a like goodbye meal, and then I just I 642 00:33:52,161 --> 00:33:52,601 Speaker 2: just split. 643 00:33:52,921 --> 00:33:55,521 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done that unless I did, you know, 644 00:33:55,561 --> 00:33:57,601 Speaker 3: unless I had the thing happened with the card, like, 645 00:33:57,681 --> 00:33:59,001 Speaker 3: it's sort of like I'd already. 646 00:33:58,721 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 2: Crossed the line. 647 00:33:59,681 --> 00:34:02,081 Speaker 3: So I was just like, well, you know, I know this 648 00:34:02,161 --> 00:34:05,441 Speaker 3: is not going to be looked upon in a very 649 00:34:05,441 --> 00:34:06,601 Speaker 3: good light, and I know this. 650 00:34:06,801 --> 00:34:08,441 Speaker 2: Ultimately, Yeah, they're. 651 00:34:08,281 --> 00:34:10,161 Speaker 3: Just going to dress it up and say it was 652 00:34:10,601 --> 00:34:14,521 Speaker 3: just struck theft, but everyone who works there knows what 653 00:34:14,561 --> 00:34:16,921 Speaker 3: the story was. I got to talk to the people 654 00:34:16,921 --> 00:34:21,081 Speaker 3: who work at the restaurant, and afterwards they were running 655 00:34:21,121 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: around like heaveless chucks and didn't know what to do. 656 00:34:25,241 --> 00:34:29,241 Speaker 2: And that is exactly what I wanted them to do. 657 00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:32,641 Speaker 3: I wanted them to freak out and feel what it's 658 00:34:32,681 --> 00:34:35,641 Speaker 3: like to lose something, so maybe they wouldn't be so 659 00:34:35,721 --> 00:34:39,561 Speaker 3: quick in the future to try fuck people over just 660 00:34:39,601 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 3: for the sake of a dollar. 661 00:34:44,921 --> 00:34:47,681 Speaker 1: Everyone I speak to about Dan, or at least anyone 662 00:34:47,681 --> 00:34:51,081 Speaker 1: that likes him, says that he's an honest bloke who 663 00:34:51,081 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: has a deep sense of injustice and doesn't like any 664 00:34:54,521 --> 00:34:57,561 Speaker 1: of the little guys being fucked over. Dan hates the 665 00:34:57,601 --> 00:35:01,161 Speaker 1: banks and the big guys and it's about looking after 666 00:35:01,321 --> 00:35:04,961 Speaker 1: the little guy. So at this point, Dan's living in 667 00:35:05,081 --> 00:35:08,521 Speaker 1: in Queensland. No police have contacted him, and it's been 668 00:35:08,641 --> 00:35:10,241 Speaker 1: over two years. 669 00:35:10,481 --> 00:35:12,401 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting to about two years. 670 00:35:12,441 --> 00:35:16,321 Speaker 1: Two years since you had one point six million dollars 671 00:35:16,441 --> 00:35:18,641 Speaker 1: o to the National Australia Banks. Yeah, and no one's 672 00:35:18,641 --> 00:35:25,841 Speaker 1: called you crickets. Nothing, not a miscall to an old number, 673 00:35:26,481 --> 00:35:30,201 Speaker 1: the email to your mum because she possibly was next 674 00:35:30,201 --> 00:35:30,481 Speaker 1: to king. 675 00:35:30,801 --> 00:35:33,641 Speaker 3: I used to open Internet banking and check it all 676 00:35:33,641 --> 00:35:35,321 Speaker 3: out and. 677 00:35:35,401 --> 00:35:36,921 Speaker 1: Still show that you're Yeah, it. 678 00:35:36,841 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 3: Was just just show that they wrote the dead off. 679 00:35:40,401 --> 00:35:43,841 Speaker 3: They just wrote it off, and yeah, it just it 680 00:35:44,001 --> 00:35:47,041 Speaker 3: just the accounts were just open as normal. 681 00:35:47,241 --> 00:35:49,881 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could have just gotten away with it that stage. 682 00:35:49,921 --> 00:35:52,921 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have just but I didn't have any 683 00:35:53,041 --> 00:35:56,281 Speaker 3: idea if that was if they were going to come 684 00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:56,761 Speaker 3: one day. 685 00:35:57,521 --> 00:35:59,881 Speaker 2: So for me, that wasn't enough. 686 00:36:00,441 --> 00:36:03,121 Speaker 3: I couldn't get my I couldn't get my sanity back. 687 00:36:04,201 --> 00:36:08,121 Speaker 1: You're still anxious at this point. No twitching eye, but yeah, 688 00:36:09,921 --> 00:36:10,841 Speaker 1: twitch was pretty bad. 689 00:36:11,241 --> 00:36:15,681 Speaker 3: But yeah, the point is that I didn't, Like, there's 690 00:36:15,681 --> 00:36:18,961 Speaker 3: no point where I was like, oh, this is going 691 00:36:19,001 --> 00:36:20,881 Speaker 3: to be okay, Like I'm just going to be all 692 00:36:21,001 --> 00:36:23,841 Speaker 3: right here, Like like if it didn't happen to you, 693 00:36:23,841 --> 00:36:25,121 Speaker 3: you could probably just go, oh. 694 00:36:25,041 --> 00:36:26,361 Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you just walk away? 695 00:36:26,801 --> 00:36:28,441 Speaker 3: You know, But if you're going to live in the 696 00:36:28,481 --> 00:36:32,121 Speaker 3: same town, be in the same country, like you would. 697 00:36:32,001 --> 00:36:33,921 Speaker 2: Have thought eventually that have to come. 698 00:36:34,481 --> 00:36:40,241 Speaker 3: But I think that's just a reflection of how. 699 00:36:41,521 --> 00:36:44,841 Speaker 2: Banks do business. Then they're willing to just write it 700 00:36:44,841 --> 00:36:47,641 Speaker 2: off and just send it away like that's it never happened. 701 00:36:47,841 --> 00:36:50,121 Speaker 1: Pretty embarrassing for you too, I know. 702 00:36:50,321 --> 00:36:52,241 Speaker 2: I don't think they're capable of embarrassment. 703 00:36:52,841 --> 00:36:57,161 Speaker 1: Right. A company can't feel embarrassment because it's a company. Right. However, 704 00:36:58,321 --> 00:37:02,801 Speaker 1: there are people who will be going like there would 705 00:37:02,841 --> 00:37:06,521 Speaker 1: have been meetings where someone's gone, on, what do we 706 00:37:06,561 --> 00:37:10,281 Speaker 1: do about this? Yeah, like there's a right off department. 707 00:37:10,361 --> 00:37:13,281 Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, for sure, right that have gone, oh 708 00:37:13,281 --> 00:37:16,641 Speaker 1: well one point six million bucks. 709 00:37:16,361 --> 00:37:17,921 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, don't worry about it. 710 00:37:18,001 --> 00:37:21,481 Speaker 1: Here we make about no police contact. A couple of 711 00:37:21,561 --> 00:37:22,401 Speaker 1: years later. 712 00:37:22,561 --> 00:37:24,161 Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing nothing. 713 00:37:24,481 --> 00:37:26,081 Speaker 1: So what do you do? 714 00:37:27,441 --> 00:37:31,801 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I can't I can't sit in 715 00:37:31,841 --> 00:37:36,681 Speaker 3: front of you and say I was completely of sound mind. 716 00:37:37,041 --> 00:37:37,681 Speaker 2: I don't know. 717 00:37:37,561 --> 00:37:40,321 Speaker 3: Why I did this, but I just didn't. I thought, well, 718 00:37:40,401 --> 00:37:43,601 Speaker 3: a good way maybe to get some closure would be 719 00:37:43,721 --> 00:37:48,161 Speaker 3: to contact the media and tell them my story and say, hey, look, 720 00:37:48,881 --> 00:37:52,361 Speaker 3: you know now, I didn't think that the media would 721 00:37:52,841 --> 00:37:56,841 Speaker 3: drum it up as much as they did, like they really, like, 722 00:37:57,441 --> 00:37:59,681 Speaker 3: you know, went overboard. 723 00:37:59,561 --> 00:38:00,281 Speaker 2: On the whole thing. 724 00:38:00,641 --> 00:38:02,841 Speaker 3: But all I wanted to do, because I couldn't get 725 00:38:02,881 --> 00:38:06,281 Speaker 3: any answers, was I just wanted to know the status 726 00:38:06,281 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 3: of the investigation. Well, first of all was their one 727 00:38:11,081 --> 00:38:13,161 Speaker 3: And second of all, I just want to know the 728 00:38:13,201 --> 00:38:16,921 Speaker 3: status because you know, like I'm I'm ready to go. 729 00:38:17,561 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: You know, you're not a dumb guy. That's pretty naive though, 730 00:38:20,481 --> 00:38:23,321 Speaker 1: to not think the media is going to make this 731 00:38:23,361 --> 00:38:25,041 Speaker 1: a story Like I knew. 732 00:38:24,841 --> 00:38:27,241 Speaker 3: I knew what they what they do, but I didn't 733 00:38:27,321 --> 00:38:30,521 Speaker 3: know that there. I didn't know their quest for the 734 00:38:30,601 --> 00:38:34,441 Speaker 3: truth would be yeah, so so blurry. 735 00:38:35,121 --> 00:38:38,761 Speaker 1: We've established the Dan is no mastermind, and he has 736 00:38:38,881 --> 00:38:42,841 Speaker 1: made some pretty dumb decisions, and in this decision to 737 00:38:43,001 --> 00:38:46,041 Speaker 1: use the media as his way of getting some sort 738 00:38:46,081 --> 00:38:49,921 Speaker 1: of resolution to the glitch. Twenty fourteen and you're in 739 00:38:49,961 --> 00:38:54,041 Speaker 1: the city morning Herald your story you said it wasn't 740 00:38:54,161 --> 00:38:58,681 Speaker 1: that great story, it was missing a few facts and whatever. 741 00:38:59,601 --> 00:39:00,961 Speaker 1: Alsably beaten up a little bit. 742 00:39:01,521 --> 00:39:04,201 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you know they I mean, I'm 743 00:39:04,201 --> 00:39:08,161 Speaker 3: not in charge of like the content direction and the 744 00:39:08,201 --> 00:39:10,401 Speaker 3: Sydney Morning Herald or the Good Weekend, you know. So 745 00:39:11,001 --> 00:39:13,001 Speaker 3: they say, oh, can we, you know, take your photo 746 00:39:13,041 --> 00:39:15,281 Speaker 3: of you in a suit? I'm like, yeah, all right, 747 00:39:15,801 --> 00:39:17,521 Speaker 3: can we put you on a private jet? 748 00:39:17,721 --> 00:39:19,561 Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, okay whatever. You know. 749 00:39:19,601 --> 00:39:21,841 Speaker 3: So, but they run this story and it looks like 750 00:39:21,921 --> 00:39:25,041 Speaker 3: I'm like having a big like gloat about it. 751 00:39:25,041 --> 00:39:26,441 Speaker 1: All. You're the Wolf of Wall Street. 752 00:39:26,561 --> 00:39:30,641 Speaker 3: Well you know, like yeah, the ding go of Colin Street. 753 00:39:32,321 --> 00:39:35,401 Speaker 1: In the next episode of The Glitch, Dan's decision to 754 00:39:35,481 --> 00:39:38,761 Speaker 1: use the media to get caught pays off in the 755 00:39:38,801 --> 00:39:39,961 Speaker 1: strangest of ways. 756 00:39:40,921 --> 00:39:43,041 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get like, I'm just trying to 757 00:39:43,081 --> 00:39:47,081 Speaker 3: get caught for something that seems it seems. 758 00:39:46,721 --> 00:39:48,561 Speaker 2: Hard to get caught for at this point. 759 00:39:48,881 --> 00:39:51,241 Speaker 3: But you'd think that if you stole me your goals 760 00:39:51,241 --> 00:39:54,401 Speaker 3: from a bank, if I was an America, I would have. 761 00:39:54,321 --> 00:39:56,721 Speaker 2: Been in jail. Like in forty five. 762 00:39:56,601 --> 00:40:02,601 Speaker 1: Seconds, you go to Australia's best crime reporter. Yeah, Adam Jack. Yeah, 763 00:40:02,641 --> 00:40:05,561 Speaker 1: so that article from Adam was posted on August nine, 764 00:40:05,641 --> 00:40:08,881 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. You started the Magic Card in feb of 765 00:40:09,001 --> 00:40:13,681 Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Yeah, that's a long time between drinks, so 766 00:40:13,841 --> 00:40:14,241 Speaker 1: to speak. 767 00:40:14,401 --> 00:40:18,561 Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, Like I was picturing like I'm going to 768 00:40:18,561 --> 00:40:21,241 Speaker 3: meet someone, I'm going to have a son or a daughter, 769 00:40:21,681 --> 00:40:23,921 Speaker 3: and I'm going to be one years old and the 770 00:40:23,961 --> 00:40:26,561 Speaker 3: cops are going to knock on the door and go, 771 00:40:26,641 --> 00:40:29,121 Speaker 3: yeah you know that things, you have an over, You're gone. 772 00:40:29,641 --> 00:40:33,241 Speaker 1: That's next time on the Glitch. If you're enjoying the 773 00:40:33,241 --> 00:40:36,401 Speaker 1: Glitch and have some questions for Dan, here's your chance 774 00:40:36,441 --> 00:40:39,561 Speaker 1: to come on the podcast in episode eight and ask 775 00:40:39,961 --> 00:40:43,321 Speaker 1: Dan anything. Just send us an email with your question 776 00:40:43,761 --> 00:40:48,521 Speaker 1: and your contact details to the Glitch at podshape dot com. 777 00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:52,921 Speaker 1: That's the Glitch one word at pod shape PO D 778 00:40:53,641 --> 00:41:01,401 Speaker 1: s h A p e dot com.