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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Fox Crickets podcast The follow On,

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Speaker 1: and it's our first for the summer of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four twenty twenty five, and what a big summer it

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Speaker 1: is shaping to be. The lighted to be joined on

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Speaker 1: the opening podcast by Brett Lee, a champion Australian cricketer.

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Speaker 1: Almost twenty five years of the day since Brett Lee

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Speaker 1: debooed for Australia against India in the Boxing Day Test,

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Speaker 1: and what a debut that was, taking five wickets in

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Speaker 1: his first inning. So first since Dennis Lily to do that,

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Speaker 1: first Australian sis denis Lily to do that. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the follow On, Brett, great to have you aboard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Cord. It nice to be here and nice

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Speaker 2: have been the first one for the year.

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Speaker 3: So it's always nice to get that brand new ball

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Speaker 1: Well on that we'll start. We'll get onto some hot

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Speaker 1: topics obviously to come. But I just thought with that

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Speaker 1: lovely memory of twenty five years ago and what an

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Speaker 1: amazing Test debut that was against India, I think he

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Speaker 1: took the wicket of a wicket with your fourth ball.

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Speaker 1: You had Ral driver, and I think you took three

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Speaker 1: wickets in the last six deliveries of the innings to

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Speaker 1: take five for not a bad debut. What can you

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Speaker 1: remember about that, that moment in your career and what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably just the whole build up.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of expectation, a lot of conjecture

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Speaker 3: around would I play or not. Michael Kasperwitz was looking

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Speaker 2: I found at the morning of the match that I

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Speaker 3: So all of that those memories of thinking back to

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Speaker 3: All the hard work, the sacrifices, the injuries, overcoming adversity.

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Speaker 2: People saying I wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 3: That they all sort of flashed through my eyes and

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Speaker 3: I've worked so hard to get here, Let's just have

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Speaker 3: some fun enjoy And that's exactly what I went out

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Speaker 3: but yeah, to pick up fivets against India at the

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Speaker 2: Thousand people watching it, I still can't believe it happened.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, it was a lot of fun and

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Speaker 1: Did you feel like you had the entire crowd behind

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Speaker 3: It's weird because being an Australian, having one hundred thousand

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Speaker 3: you know, people I think appreciate fast buying. So it

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Speaker 2: But yeah, personally and looking.

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Speaker 3: At the caliber of players I had around me, you know,

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Speaker 1: Now with India heading out to play in a month

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Speaker 1: lots to look forward to. We know that India is

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Speaker 1: A bit of a shock there, and we'll touch on that.

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Speaker 1: But you've had a lot of time in India, you

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Speaker 4: But you must have lots of fond memories there.

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Speaker 3: I do, and you know I've been going to India

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Speaker 2: It's the hospitality.

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Speaker 3: People over there are so generous and when they find

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Speaker 3: I know that they lost.

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Speaker 2: Only yesterday or during the week with you know, defeat to.

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Speaker 3: But I can promise you when they come out to

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Speaker 1: Well, we might start but just with a couple of

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Speaker 1: The hot topic, the hottest topic around is who will

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Speaker 1: Steve Smith moving down to number four. We'll put you

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Speaker 1: on the spot at some stage, Brett. But firstly, having

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Speaker 1: Bancroft and Matthew Renshaw as a logical candidates to fill

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Speaker 1: that position position beside Kauwaja. What can you tell me

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Speaker 1: about Constance? When did he first come onto your radar?

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Speaker 1: He obviously had a great junior career, done some great

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Speaker 1: You know, what do we know about him and what

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a loving segue, Corning, because I was exactly

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Speaker 3: he's had a fantastic start to his first class career,

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Speaker 2: But this guy is an absolute weapon.

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Speaker 3: He's a raw talent. Is he too young nineteen years

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Speaker 3: So he's a Cameron Bancroft. Now too old is a

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Speaker 3: He's definitely a player of the future. It's only a

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Speaker 2: So why not get him in now? But also give

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Speaker 2: I can promise you he will.

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Speaker 3: Get some runs if he's going with the confidence. That

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Speaker 2: Why not bison ball.

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Speaker 3: What about Mitchell Marsh at the top of the order

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Speaker 2: If Australia can just blow into your.

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Speaker 2: So that's the option as well.

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Speaker 3: They could go that's super aggressive, a bit like that

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Speaker 3: know like young Sam who's just an absolute quality talent.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a couple of great things to

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Speaker 1: We've heard that he's a young guy who's willing to

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Speaker 4: You said age is just a number.

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Speaker 1: He's played six first class matches or he's in his

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Speaker 3: Well, I like the fact that he is so young

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Speaker 3: I think if they would have gone with but if

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Speaker 3: The thing that I think is different between him and

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Speaker 3: But India they just didn't sort of going to their shell.

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Speaker 3: And maybe it's that that bass ball that sort of

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Speaker 3: you know, sort of brushing off on other creators around

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Speaker 3: the world. I know that India won't be proud of

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Speaker 3: the way they played. They played some pretty loose shots,

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Speaker 3: but you've got to get quality and credit to the

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Speaker 3: bowls as well, because they bowled some beautiful spells.

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Speaker 2: They bowled fast, they have some short pitch bowling and

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Speaker 2: timinated the batsman.

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Speaker 3: And this day and age, you've got India now, which

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Speaker 3: is a powerhouse that don't want to just bow down

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Speaker 3: and do what they used to do with all due

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Speaker 3: respect back in the age of nineties. You know, India

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Speaker 3: used to be quality players, but they never had They

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Speaker 3: couldn't find a way to win on every single opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Now they know how to win and they know they

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Speaker 3: can beat Australia, they know they can beat the Kiwis,

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Speaker 3: they know they can beat anyone on any given day.

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately you've got to weigh up the risk factor

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Speaker 3: as well. There's times where you've got to go okay,

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Speaker 3: well maybe the big shots aren't working and maybe just

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Speaker 3: raining in a little bit. I don't think they sort

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Speaker 3: of summed up the conditions as quickly as what they

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Speaker 3: should have done. I think of the second things they

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Speaker 3: were better, but yeah, it wasn't the case the first.

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Speaker 1: And now remind you can watch every ball of the

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Speaker 1: next Test between Indire and New zeal And live on

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Speaker 1: Fox Cricket and also on KO just on the as well.

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Speaker 1: What should Australian audiences look forward to with him in

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Speaker 1: the next over the five Test summer.

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Speaker 2: He's very flamboyant.

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Speaker 3: It reminds me a lot of shitner I on Channepoor

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Speaker 3: from the West Indies of yesterday, like very similar technique.

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Speaker 3: He's a run machine and he's an aggressive young left

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Speaker 3: hander that's quite whippy, but also it's great at playing

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Speaker 3: that crossbat shot. I love a batsman that plays a

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Speaker 3: cross bat shot. Robert Shalm have been blessed over the

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Speaker 3: years to see him play. One of the best pullers

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Speaker 3: in Test cricket. Jacewell looks to score quickly, generally hits

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Speaker 3: his first ball fall and he'll put the pressure straight

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Speaker 3: back on Australia.

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Speaker 2: So if the Aussies.

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Speaker 3: Don't get their length right up front, don't get their

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Speaker 3: pace right up front, he can definitely damage them. So

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing how he goes on these wickets. Perth,

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Speaker 3: though that said, will definitely test them out because as

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Speaker 3: we know South Asia and in particularly India, when they

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Speaker 3: come out to Australia, the general is they don't like fast,

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Speaker 3: bouncy wickets.

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Speaker 2: They used to be the case.

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Speaker 3: Now they've got Batsman, as I mentioned before, they could

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Speaker 3: play that crossbat shot, so they might try and counter that.

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Speaker 1: How do you we talked about the Australian attack and

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Speaker 1: not leaving the Ferrari parked in the garage during the summer.

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Speaker 1: How do you see the Indian attack I suppose through

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Speaker 1: the Australian summer. You know they went with the two

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Speaker 1: seamers and the three spinners for the Test against New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: You know what do we think we see Mohammed Chami

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Speaker 1: obviously had the ankle issues et cetera. We saw I

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Speaker 1: think a photo of him bowling to Shuldwin Gel just

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Speaker 1: on the weekend and he's obviously trying to get back

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Speaker 1: and improve that fitness and Saraja as such champion bowlers

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Speaker 1: so outstanding. You know, what do we think will happen?

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Speaker 1: How do you see that attack sort of performing in

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Speaker 1: Australia And what sort of format do you see it?

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Speaker 1: Is it the three seemers?

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Speaker 4: Do they do? They do they? Who are the spinners?

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Speaker 4: How do you see it unfolding?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Look they've got obviously Ashwan that plays that that for

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Speaker 3: he coet even up the bowling. To be fair, you

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Speaker 3: know he's got approaching six hundred or so Test wickets.

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Speaker 3: He's got beautiful shapes on your bowls. His spinna can

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Speaker 3: bowl that brand new ball. But those names that you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: Muhammed Shamy's got to be fit. I think if India

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Speaker 3: want to win over here, Muhammed Shemy can definitely hold

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Speaker 3: the key.

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Speaker 2: J just bit Borman. We all know how good Boomer is.

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Speaker 3: He's a guy that can shake the ball both ways.

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Speaker 3: I think your bowl extremely great with the old ball.

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Speaker 2: He is a great exponer of reverse swing.

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Speaker 3: Muhammed Sadaj, you know, it gets that new border talk

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Speaker 3: and when he presents that scene bowled upright, he gets

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Speaker 3: the ball.

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Speaker 2: To shape away.

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Speaker 3: That's where a stray can nick off and being dangers

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Speaker 3: certainly on these wickets like Perth, like Adelaide, that can

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Speaker 3: be conduced with the fast bowling.

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Speaker 2: So to me, it's that combination.

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Speaker 3: It's those three bowlers plus Ashman as a spinner, and

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Speaker 3: then they've got options, you know with guys at the

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Speaker 3: part time part time spinners that can play a role.

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Speaker 3: But you've got to have those three quicks firing if

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Speaker 3: India want to win.

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Speaker 4: If it isn't Chami, that's fit.

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Speaker 1: Do you see anyone you know as a depth bowler

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Speaker 1: or someone that they might pluck from the world. And

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Speaker 1: we saw your dove sort of reaching exceptional speeds. You're

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Speaker 1: also the speeds of one hundred and fifty k' is

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Speaker 1: an hour through the IP else sort of series like THEEP.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously been a very very talented bollet. Who are

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Speaker 1: the possible it needs to look forward to if it

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Speaker 1: isn't Charmi.

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Speaker 3: The great thing about me having the opportunity to work

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Speaker 3: on the IPL and you see a lot of Indian creators.

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Speaker 3: You get to see these young guys coming through the ranks.

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Speaker 3: Mayank yadav to watch his first game in the IPL

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Speaker 3: recently earlier this.

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Speaker 2: Year, back in what early March.

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Speaker 3: I think it may have been to hit one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty seven k's first up in his first game,

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Speaker 3: he went off with the side strain.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, his franchise probably brought.

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Speaker 3: Him back a little bit too early and then did

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Speaker 3: his side again and then they put him on, put

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Speaker 3: him on eyes, put him in cotton wall for a

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Speaker 3: little bit.

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Speaker 2: But then they literally threw him on the scene when

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Speaker 2: he was ready to go again.

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Speaker 3: So the great thing about Indury is that they're not

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Speaker 3: worried about how much cricket someone's played, how much they

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Speaker 3: haven't played. A bit like the Sam Concert's what we

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Speaker 3: spoke about before. If he's ready to go, get him

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Speaker 3: in there. And I actually loved that theory because one

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Speaker 3: thing I could promise you is that batsman raka around

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Speaker 3: about that one hundred and thirty five to one hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty K markets when they're bowling high one fifties.

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Speaker 3: I don't care who it is. Now one has to

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Speaker 3: face bowling over one hundred and fifty k's so, yes,

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Speaker 3: she can be a little bit of radick. Yes she

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Speaker 3: can bowl short and wide and get punished.

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Speaker 2: But he looks as though that he's got the complete package.

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Speaker 2: He's green, he's raw, and he freshened the scene.

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Speaker 3: I'd be in clad and to go with him. If

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Speaker 3: if Muhamed Shemi's not ready, at least get him in

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Speaker 3: the squad, get him around the team, and if something

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Speaker 3: happens and it presents itself, he might get that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: And I think he'd do pretty well in these Australian wigts.

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Speaker 1: First first testa to op the stadium. Not quite the

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Speaker 1: bounce of the Whacker, but it's still got some teeth in.

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Speaker 3: It, still bouncy anything even first saw his bouncy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the whacker used to be a graveyard sometimes for fast

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Speaker 3: battlers too, because everyone saw the carry and see ly

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Speaker 3: go up there and take that wonderful catch, you know

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Speaker 3: with the batsman leaves on length rather than line. But

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Speaker 3: the trick to bowling in person is not to bowl

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Speaker 3: too short. You've got to pitch the ball up. You

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Speaker 3: to buy a lot fuller than what you expect. So

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Speaker 3: that's where a lot of players and I've come unstuck

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Speaker 3: many occasions as at most fast bowlers. So the Indian

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Speaker 3: bowls will have to make sure they pitch their length

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Speaker 3: up around that five and a half meter mark to

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Speaker 3: induce that nick. But yeah, when you've got raw pace

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Speaker 3: as like a Mayn Giada, he actually might suit that wicket.

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Speaker 4: Well, Brett.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on

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Speaker 1: Fox forgets to follow on. You've been a member of

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Speaker 1: the Fox Cricket family for a long long time. You've

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Speaker 1: seen so much of India cricket and obviously, as I said,

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Speaker 1: twenty five years since that fantastic debut. It's a wonderful

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Speaker 1: to have your board and thanks so much for being

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Speaker 1: a guest on the follow on.

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Speaker 2: Absolute pleasure and how lucky.

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Speaker 3: Viewers Fox this year we've got all India, were England

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Speaker 3: coming next year, then India coming again. It's going to

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Speaker 3: be three amazing seasons, so I can't