1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,960 Sean Aylmer: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm Sean Aylmer. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,360 Sean Aylmer: Smart home devices have boomed in recent years, with nearly 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,920 Sean Aylmer: eight million Australian households now owning at least one product. 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,120 Sean Aylmer: Thirty four percent of Australians say they use these devices 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,880 Sean Aylmer: for safety or security. One of the most recognisable devices 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Sean Aylmer: would be the Ring. That's a ring video doorbell, letting 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,840 Sean Aylmer: you see who's at the door, or whether a parcel's arrived, 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,240 Sean Aylmer: or pretty much anything really from anywhere in the world. 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,600 Sean Aylmer: In fact, Dave Ward is the managing director International at Ring, 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,920 Sean Aylmer: which is a great supporter of this podcast. Dave is 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,519 Sean Aylmer: visiting Australia from the UK at the moment, and he 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,440 Sean Aylmer: joins me in the studio. Dave, welcome to Fear and Greed. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,200 Dave Ward: Great to be here. 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,120 Sean Aylmer: So why are we all into home security products nowadays? 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,960 Dave Ward: Well, I mean, look, here's the first thing. I mean, 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Dave Ward: Aussies are really savvy you know, when I look at the 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,400 Dave Ward: niche and over here and how people use technology, you're 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,000 Dave Ward: really into your technology. And as you mentioned, nearly eight 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,560 Dave Ward: million people now are using one form or another of 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,600 Dave Ward: a smart device. You know, you mentioned things like burglary safety, security. 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,080 Dave Ward: People are obviously thinking about how they connect back to 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,920 Dave Ward: their home, you know, how they keep the home a 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,600 Dave Ward: little bit safer, but also how they'll use this technology 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,080 Dave Ward: for other things. It's not just about security and safety, 25 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,520 Dave Ward: it's also peace of mind. It's connecting back to the 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,200 Dave Ward: magic moments when you're out on the road like I 27 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Dave Ward: am at the moment. 28 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,280 Sean Aylmer: Okay, what about things that? I mean I often wonder 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,560 Sean Aylmer: whether ecommerce has made a big difference to businesses like 30 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Sean Aylmer: yours simply because everyone ...I've got a household of ten 31 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,080 Sean Aylmer: people and they're always buying stuff online, and they're always 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,039 Sean Aylmer: sending a WhatsApp message to everyone saying, hey, is anyone 33 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,399 Sean Aylmer: going to be home at because and inevitably we're not. 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,440 Sean Aylmer: I don't actually have one of your products, but I'd 35 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,199 Sean Aylmer: imagine that's actually why I would get one. 36 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,200 Dave Ward: Absolutely. So you know, you mentioned security to start with. 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Dave Ward: Peace of mind is certainly a big thing as to 38 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,040 Dave Ward: why people use it. I mean, thirty four percent of 39 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,720 Dave Ward: people talk about how they want to take a package 40 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,559 Dave Ward: delivery and be able to answer that from their phone 41 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,760 Dave Ward: wherever they are. You know, we certainly saw during COVID 42 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,280 Dave Ward: as people were staying at home more people were buying 43 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,480 Dave Ward: and shopping online a little bit more people wanted that 44 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Dave Ward: ability to be able to answer that door and be 45 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,680 Dave Ward: able to connect back. So yeah, with technology that we've 46 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,320 Dave Ward: now got in our devices, with computer vision and AI, 47 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,360 Dave Ward: we can detect whether it's a parcel at your door, 48 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,959 Dave Ward: send you a notification, allow you to keep an eye 49 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,959 Dave Ward: on it, but importantly be able to talk back to 50 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,519 Dave Ward: whoever's there and you know, maybe give them some instructions 51 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Dave Ward: that you couldn't do otherwise. 52 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Sean Aylmer: You're talking about Australia. Is this a global phenomenon? 53 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,960 Dave Ward: Oh, absolutely. So, we founded the business over ten years 54 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,160 Dave Ward: ago in Santa Monica. We really built the first video 55 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,640 Dave Ward: doorbell and created this technology. But now we're rolling out. 56 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,239 Dave Ward: We've got over fifty devices in five different categories and 57 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,959 Dave Ward: around about thirty different countries around the world. So it 58 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,359 Dave Ward: really is a global phenomenon about how people want to 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,320 Dave Ward: connect back to, probably their most valuable asset, their home and really 60 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,040 Dave Ward: keep an eye on what's going on and you know, 61 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:41,840 Dave Ward: just be there more. 62 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,560 Sean Aylmer: So we'll talk about the one you're launching this week 63 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,680 Sean Aylmer: in a moment after the break, but ahead of that, 64 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Sean Aylmer: what are some of the devices you're talking about. 65 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,840 Dave Ward: So we've got a range of video doorbells, We've got 66 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Dave Ward: a range of cameras. We've got cameras with lights. So 67 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,040 Dave Ward: when I think about security, security is not just about 68 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,560 Dave Ward: being able to keep an eye on those things. It's 69 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,400 Dave Ward: about lighting those dark places. Maybe you've got and alley 70 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,840 Dave Ward: down the side of the house that you want to 71 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Dave Ward: make sure you light up. You know, we've got various 72 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,280 Dave Ward: different products and services that we offer a different type 73 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,760 Dave Ward: of device to apply to every type of home. I mean, 74 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Dave Ward: we're all unique, we all live in different types of houses, 75 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,600 Dave Ward: and that's really about how we're customer centric. We want 76 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Dave Ward: to make sure there's a product for your home to 77 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,600 Dave Ward: be able to do the right things for you. 78 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,040 Sean Aylmer: Okay, the flip side of this, Social media is full 79 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,880 Sean Aylmer: of examples of filming of things that maybe you were 80 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Sean Aylmer: supposed to capture, from criminal to personal. How do you 81 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,320 Sean Aylmer: kind of address those sorts of concerns. 82 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,440 Dave Ward: Well, that's a great question because I think privacy, security, 83 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Dave Ward: you know, it's fundamental to everything that we do. It's 84 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,240 Dave Ward: we don't think about designing or developing a product until 85 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,440 Dave Ward: we thought about how we can make sure that our 86 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Dave Ward: devices take that into account. So we've got a lot 87 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,680 Dave Ward: of different features inside our products. So for instance, we've 88 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Dave Ward: got some blackout zones which allow us to black out 89 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,200 Dave Ward: particular areas of your video. Maybe you're looking over a 90 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,800 Dave Ward: particular area, maybe it's a neighbor's drive, where you can 91 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,840 Dave Ward: block that out and we don't even then record that. 92 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,800 Dave Ward: We've got the ability with motion detection to be able 93 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,120 Dave Ward: to detect where motion is on your property, so you're 94 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,720 Dave Ward: only recording when somebody comes onto your property as a 95 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,640 Dave Ward: good example. And then we've got features such as audio 96 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,520 Dave Ward: toggle where you can actually turn off audio recording, you know, 97 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Dave Ward: and really makes it simple for the customer to be 98 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,720 Dave Ward: able to customise their product for exactly their installation and 99 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,159 Dave Ward: make sure they're thinking about those things. 100 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,480 Sean Aylmer: So in a sense, it's a personal responsibility. So what 101 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,080 Sean Aylmer: you need is the owner of the product to be responsible. 102 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Dave Ward: Yeah, and we see that that people want to be 103 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,160 Dave Ward: that as well, because I think you know, generally everyone 104 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,599 Dave Ward: wants to be a really good neighbor. But importantly, when 105 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,360 Dave Ward: you configure and set this device up in the right 106 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Dave Ward: way for your particular property, you get the best experience. 107 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,960 Dave Ward: You want to make sure you get notifications for the 108 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,920 Dave Ward: things that matter, so things like motion zones. Making sure 109 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Dave Ward: that you've got a setup to detect your property is 110 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,080 Dave Ward: super important. They're the things that are important to you. 111 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,640 Sean Aylmer: Staying with me, Dave, I want to talk to you 112 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,840 Sean Aylmer: about AI and a big announcement from RING. We'll be 113 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:47,559 Sean Aylmer: back in a moment. 114 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,400 Sean Aylmer: I'm talking to Dave Ward from smart home security company RING. 115 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,360 Sean Aylmer: You are in Australia to talk about AI. So explain 116 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,440 Sean Aylmer: how Ring's using AI in your latest technology. 117 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,880 Dave Ward: Absolutely. So, artificial intelligence has been really at the heart of what 118 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,039 Dave Ward: we've been doing since we built the company. We've got 119 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,320 Dave Ward: really advanced computer vision technology which allows us to do 120 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,599 Dave Ward: particular types of detection, so we can detect a humor 121 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,120 Dave Ward: versus an animal or a car for instance, or a 122 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,159 Dave Ward: package and give you that type of notification. But AI 123 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,120 Dave Ward: for us is really about advancing things for the customer. 124 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,080 Dave Ward: So you know, we have lots of customers around the 125 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,480 Dave Ward: world that have told us around the things that they 126 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,720 Dave Ward: use their devices for. So we've announced just today our 127 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,320 Dave Ward: smart video Search. This is a new feature which allows 128 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,440 Dave Ward: us to combine AI and computer vision, to I allow 129 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,119 Dave Ward: you to use a large language model and actually search 130 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,600 Dave Ward: for things inside your videos. It's super powerful, it's super inquisitive, 131 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,480 Dave Ward: and it really just brings the product to life to 132 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,719 Dave Ward: be able to find that those magic things that you 133 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,000 Dave Ward: necessarily didn't see previously because you didn't notice them. So, 134 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,360 Dave Ward: you know, great feature that really sort of brings out 135 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,760 Dave Ward: a use of AI and see computer vision in a 136 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,520 Dave Ward: way that really resonates with customers. 137 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,080 Sean Aylmer: So give me an example. Are you sort of saying 138 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,600 Sean Aylmer: that there's a period from nine am when I've left 139 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,120 Sean Aylmer: the house again at six pm and there is something 140 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Sean Aylmer: that is in the driveway, or you know, if something's 141 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Sean Aylmer: happened and you're interested in finding it when that happened? 142 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,599 Dave Ward: Yeah, So you can literally go in with smart video 143 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,800 Dave Ward: search and search for anything. So let's say I'm searching 144 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Dave Ward: for the moment I know my child was riding the 145 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,320 Dave Ward: bike for the first time. I can just go in 146 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,159 Dave Ward: and actually search for children riding a bike, and we'll 147 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,640 Dave Ward: automatically look through those videos and serve to you those 148 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,600 Dave Ward: clips of children riding the bike on a particular device. 149 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,359 Dave Ward: Maybe I'm looking for the delivery driver that came on 150 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,520 Dave Ward: Wednesday with a package, and we'll be able to narrow 151 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,839 Dave Ward: that down immediately and show you the clip. There's no 152 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,040 Dave Ward: scrolling through the clips. There's no going backwards through your history. 153 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,880 Dave Ward: We can just pick out that moment. It's incredibly powerful. 154 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Dave Ward: I mean it's wild what you find. Some of the 155 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,200 Dave Ward: things that you know, I found when I started to 156 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,159 Dave Ward: search on my devices, I was like wow, I didn't 157 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,200 Dave Ward: know that was happening, and it's just magic. 158 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,600 Sean Aylmer: Well, so you're starting to roll that out in Australia now. 159 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,920 Dave Ward: Absolutely so rolling out from today. Customers will be able 160 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,880 Dave Ward: to use this with a Home Premium subscription. They can 161 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,400 Dave Ward: log in and be able to set this up for 162 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Dave Ward: any one of their devices and very quickly start searching 163 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,720 Dave Ward: for things that are happening in and around their home 164 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,080 Dave Ward: using our great technology which is powered by AI and 165 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Dave Ward: computer vision. 166 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,040 Sean Aylmer: You just mentioned in and around your home now, I 167 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,000 Sean Aylmer: always think of this as a door bell, but it's 168 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Sean Aylmer: far greater than that. Head do people use it mostly. 169 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Dave Ward: Well, I mean often people come in from a single device. 170 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,000 Dave Ward: They're buying a doorbell for instance. You know you talked 171 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,120 Dave Ward: earlier about they want to think about what's happening at 172 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Dave Ward: their door. You know, it tends to be the place 173 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,640 Dave Ward: that people interact with the home. Or maybe they're buying 174 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,000 Dave Ward: a camera, maybe they're looking for that over their backyard, 175 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Dave Ward: for instance. But once you have one, you start to 176 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,080 Dave Ward: see why I could use it in this different way. 177 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,160 Dave Ward: Maybe now I want one on my driveway. Maybe I 178 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,080 Dave Ward: now want one that's you know, maybe inside the home 179 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,240 Dave Ward: for when I'm out and about. Maybe it's one to 180 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,040 Dave Ward: keep an eye on the play room, for instance, and 181 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Dave Ward: users that digital referee when the children are playing. So 182 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,760 Dave Ward: people are using it for various different things. And you 183 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,480 Dave Ward: start with one, you tend to get more. Thing about 184 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,080 Dave Ward: our devices is they all work seamlessly together, so you 185 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Dave Ward: can connect these together. You can say if motion detects 186 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,840 Dave Ward: on one and start recording on another, for instance. And 187 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,040 Dave Ward: now with smart video search, I don't need to go 188 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,640 Dave Ward: into each device. I can literally search across all of them, 189 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,840 Dave Ward: find that magic moment, and 'hey presto' deliver it within seconds. 190 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Sean Aylmer: So I can see this in a home environment, and 191 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,400 Sean Aylmer: I can see it in my home environment being extremely 192 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,720 Sean Aylmer: helpful and useful and security. But much more than that, 193 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Sean Aylmer: what about if we take it to a business environment. 194 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,680 Sean Aylmer: I'd imagine there's all sorts of other concerns when it's 195 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,640 Sean Aylmer: in a business environment. Do people use it in businesses? 196 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,200 Sean Aylmer: And I suppose I'm thinking businesses with employees might be 197 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,040 Sean Aylmer: where it gets a bit grey, but otherwise do people 198 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:40,400 Sean Aylmer: use it? 199 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,480 Dave Ward: Yeah, absolutely they do. I mean the great thing about 200 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,720 Dave Ward: our product is it's really easy to set up. And 201 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,360 Dave Ward: what we find as small business owners in particular, they 202 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,320 Dave Ward: tend to be their IT expert. They tend to be 203 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,440 Dave Ward: very similar to home. You know, they're starting out and 204 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,800 Dave Ward: they want to make sure they're using some of this technology. 205 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Dave Ward: And traditionally CCTV and those types of technologies have been 206 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,959 Dave Ward: quite difficult and you know, I've needed someone to come 207 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,680 Dave Ward: and install it, some form of IT expert, and with RING 208 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,560 Dave Ward: you simply can set that up yourself and up and 209 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,120 Dave Ward: running very, very quickly. So we see more and more 210 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,439 Dave Ward: small businesses around the world, you know, including here in Australia, 211 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Dave Ward: starting to use our devices for making sure their business 212 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Dave Ward: is safe as well as home. 213 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Sean Aylmer: So where do we end up in five or ten years? 214 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,920 Sean Aylmer: Could you imagine? We were talking about thirty four percent, 215 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,240 Sean Aylmer: I think was the number that I quoted at the 216 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,000 Sean Aylmer: at the beginning, saying of Australians using these sorts of devices. 217 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,680 Sean Aylmer: Do you think we end up getting a majority of 218 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Sean Aylmer: people using it? Do you think it's just going to 219 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,120 Sean Aylmer: become the norm? 220 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,720 Dave Ward: Yeah, I do actually think it'll be the norm. The 221 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,720 Dave Ward: more you use it, the more you become to love it. 222 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,239 Dave Ward: You know, we often find with any of these technologies, 223 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,000 Dave Ward: you buy it maybe for one thing, and then you 224 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,679 Dave Ward: find a different thing to use it in your day 225 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,600 Dave Ward: to day life. You know, you might buy it for 226 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,839 Dave Ward: security and then then use it to keep an eye 227 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,000 Dave Ward: on what's happening. You know, I travel around the world. 228 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,040 Dave Ward: I use it to just keep an eye back 229 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,240 Dave Ward: at home and connecting into moments I otherwise wouldn't have seen. 230 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,400 Dave Ward: You know, a great example for me as I was 231 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,120 Dave Ward: on the road in Finland the other year, my son 232 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,440 Dave Ward: who was just started walking and was out in the 233 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,000 Dave Ward: garden and he took his first bicycle and I caught 234 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,599 Dave Ward: it on my device. I saved it. I've got the 235 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Dave Ward: video on my phone. It's a moment I wouldn't have 236 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,679 Dave Ward: seen had I not had Ring, you know, I wouldn't 237 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,080 Dave Ward: have been there because I was out on the road 238 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,680 Dave Ward: and just having that the power of that and the 239 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,120 Dave Ward: emotion that you get from it is beautiful. So yeah, 240 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,720 Dave Ward: I do think that we'll see more and more people 241 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Dave Ward: use this technology. It will become more prevalent in our 242 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,640 Dave Ward: daily lives, you know, and I think people really start 243 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,560 Dave Ward: to engage with it and take great fun using it 244 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:23,960 Dave Ward: as well. 245 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,000 Sean Aylmer: Dave, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 246 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,040 Dave Ward: Thank you. 247 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,320 Sean Aylmer: That was Dave Ward at Managing Director International at RING, 248 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,400 Sean Aylmer: which is a great supporter of this podcast. This is 249 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,439 Sean Aylmer: the Fear and Greed Business Interview. Join us every morning 250 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,013 Sean Aylmer: for the full episode of Fear and Greed. 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