WEBVTT - Origin Wash-Up 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.960 Hello, and welcome to the Daily Telegraph NRL podcast. I'm 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.319 Michael carry On with David Rickett matin Karnation Boys. No, 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:17.920 Brent Reed, he's licking his lips. I'll take on Queenslander 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:22.000 because that was one of the greatest games of football 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:23.600 I've ever witnessed. How good was to day? 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.240 It was unreal Mickey Maddie, I've got ice packs on 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:27.960 my knees. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:29.880 Joking. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.839 It was extraordinary, Like the ferocity, the intensity and the 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.800 length of that. Yeah, usually you know would last fifteen minutes, 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.280 twenty minutes. He just kept coming. There would be some 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:46.720 sick and sore boys today and it's gonna be fascinating 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.920 to see who backs up this weekend. And also guys, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.559 you know, look, we'll wax lyrical about the Blues, but 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.840 from a Queensland point of view too, Like you know, 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.600 players like Pat Carrigan who was called out by Parker, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.800 is someone to stand up like I just saw Carrigan. Like, 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.120 if he backs up for the Broncos against Newcastle this, 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.720 we're going to be phenomenal. He just kept coming. Every 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.679 carry was brutal and every hit was brutal from Carrigan. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.280 I thought he did a good job for Queensland, but 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:15.040 it's all about. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.240 The Blues, Mick. It's awesome, Maddie. Elviously it dispelled one 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.160 of the myths that you need a high scoring game 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.120 for it to be exciting and entertaining. Yeah, yeah, thanks 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.440 for the call up. Nineteenth man. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.040 I've run from my desk over there, not as far 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.039 as Homoli, but yeah, I was one of those games 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.920 where you thought, is it going to happen? 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.639 Are we going to have like a three. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.480 To two, a four to two score line, one for 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.600 the one for the Purists, But yeah, obviously just a 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.640 couple of moments there for the Blues and that was 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:44.440 the difference in the end. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:45.959 I was hoping for a new Law score line at 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.400 halftime because it was just remarkable, Like I loved what 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.480 Queensident we hadble to we stand in that opening forty 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.160 minutes had me worried, yeah, going into the halftime break 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.360 because the Blues had all the bore, all the territory 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.440 and still trailed at the halftime pray. But this new 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.920 South Wales side had an edge, had a composure, had 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.160 composure about him and even dated as far back as 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.959 to Game one where you know it was that ten 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.320 minute period after saw Lei he got sent off that 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.560 they just struggled to adjust. But after that they found 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.800 their rhythm and didn't look too far off the pace. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:19.560 And we saw what they did in Melbourne and then 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.000 what they were able to do last night. It was 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:28.840 truly one of the meat the remarkable performances. Queensland obviously 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.360 shattered with the loss, but it wasn't like Melbourne where 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.200 you know, they didn't rock up to Melbourne and put 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.040 in the effort required. Either side would have been left heartbroken. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.760 But Dave, what was what was the moment for you 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.000 last night? You know what? 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.840 Because I was thinking about this this morning driving to 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.239 the office this morning, about one like I see two 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:52.840 sides to it. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.680 I see a Queensland side that were down. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:03:00.560 On troops like Tino for Sumi, Tommy Gilbert, Xavier Coats, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:06.639 Thomas Flegler, like they were big outs for Queensland right. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.080 But at the same time I feel as though we've 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:14.080 seen a genuine shift in mentality from a new South 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.720 Wales side that has will go a long way to 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.800 killing off the aura of the Maroons. And what I 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.320 mean by that is that to do that, to do 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.120 the last night's performance up at the cauldroom in the 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:33.840 face of such ferocity. They now know when their backs 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.760 are against the wall in the future that they can 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:40.119 come through. And you go back to the Origin one 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.600 game one when they were down to twelve men. The 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.560 Maroons should have done what the New South Wales so 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:47.560 I did in game two to them. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:48.760 They should have won by fifty. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.120 But there was a resolve to this New South Wales 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.520 team from game one which carried through to the annihilation 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.800 of Origin two and again I speak about I just 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.400 wonder if they've broken they've come through the wall. They've 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.840 smashed down the Queensland wall, of which could be harder 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:11.000 for Queensland to rebuild than the momentum now behind New 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.520 South Wales going forward. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.160 Yeah, I don't think like we're going to sit here 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.400 and say this is the start of a long run. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.440 But the fact that they've been able to go do 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.760 it in Queensland's backyard to win it decideer obviously get 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:26.880 the monkey off the bat because this plane group hadn't 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.560 seen it. Some of them hadn't even watched it because 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.719 there it was that long ago forum. So you know 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.120 New Soub I was down on trips to no clearing, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.960 No travoy bitch would have been walk up starts the 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.280 trail obviously in game one and Game three, so two 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.400 big outs for them, But it was they just got 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.200 out muscled Queensland. They did, and you know, we look 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.320 at but that's something we haven't been able to say 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:53.839 in a long time. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.960 I go to next year's series and this Blues team, 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.600 surely it's going to it'll be different in some areas, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.480 but they walk into camp next series going we can 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:06.919 do anything. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.679 Queensland, don't get bullied. If Tino's there, Fleggler's there, maybe 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.960 maybe Gilbert's there. Like that helps, right, because like Felice 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.040 Confusi is a shadow of the former player of the 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.719 player that he was, yeah right, And how many minutes 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.520 did he play it last night? You can't tell me 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.440 that they got that right right. Didn't get back on 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.480 They didn't get back on right, They didn't get that yeah, yeah, no. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.120 It was just eighteen minutes, seventeen minutes, Stint and all 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.760 along the boys, all along. My mail in relation to 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.400 the discussion around bringing Josh Babali back, was to do 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:39.479 that exact role. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:40.240 It was always just. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.839 Going to be come on and do your best for 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.080 fifteen minutes and Slater it was a little bit different. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.680 Was your quarter to start, wasn't it? Dave called to 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:50.880 start CAFUSI. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.600 Yeah, well, well yeah, I thought it would have a 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.200 greater impact than that it was. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.560 I just don't think for the least now out his 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.240 age and stage of his career is feared like he 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.359 once was. Obviously, look at it. Look at Mitch Barnett, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.839 the way he came on and out muscled. That's what 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.520 they were looking for. Queensland were looking for their version 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.880 of Mitch Barnett, and with all those players, they just 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.440 don't have it. And then that's been that issue. Kargan 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.360 was outstanding, like so many good players. But I think 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.480 Harry Grant didn't have a great origin series, you know, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.400 I think he fell away a little bit and I 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.400 felt like Ben Hunt showed his age a little bit too. 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.880 Yeah, and that's to be undersstandable at a game of 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:33.760 such ferocity. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.520 Mirix Robson was the best dummy half out there. He 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.719 was you know by what the Australian number nine. Well, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.680 that's that's a conversation they're going to have to have 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:48.880 because obviously males January generally gone with the Hunt Grant 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:55.159 combination of late as well. But you know, Reece Robson 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.359 was the dummy half of the Origin series and was 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.080 outstanding last night. Would have gone quite to get him 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:02.440 out of the match. From mind, you can't. Look, it 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.560 was hard to want a bad player for New South Wales, 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.760 but if Reith Robson had walked away with that award, 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.080 I wouldn't have had. And that was a big selection 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.080 by Michael McGuire because a lot of us been included, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.280 were calling for Happy to be in the side, but 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.520 he backed recent. Look you look at the squad that 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.640 Michael mcguie picked and Game one that wasn't his desired side. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.560 We all know that right That wasn't the team that 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.120 he wanted to pick, but because of injuries, because of suspensions, 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.200 because of a range of unavailabilities, he was sort of 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.320 lump with that team. But Game two was much more 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.440 of his team and it just proved dividends. What does 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.920 this mean for Michael McGuire now? Made he going forward? 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:39.760 Yeah, I'm glad Dave that you brought up game one 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.920 because I was thinking, yes, they was such a long 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.280 build up. I was just thinking about the biggest point 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.840 so far in origin, and I think it was that 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.880 forty to fifty minutes after Swally came off where Queensland 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:53.360 should have. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:56.880 Put the bleachers through the Blues but they didn't. 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.920 And it just last night, it just showed that because 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.400 they had so much bore, so much territory, and you 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.240 just thought, geez, they're going to fold here at some point, 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.160 They're going to be really frustrated, especially Mitch being such 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.560 an emotional kind of player. I thought that they and 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.080 Jerome I thought they might have kind of caved in, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.440 but they didn't, and they both delivered the key moments 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.920 when Queensland normally do so. I think as far as 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.160 Mage's performance, I think that was the biggest thing that 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.640 he The biggest thing he brought to the Blues was 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.240 that mentality that he changed for that team. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.880 What does it mean for in terms of an RL prospects, Dave. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.520 I just think that I think it increases his appeal. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.600 You don't you can't deny that he was damaged goods 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:40.160 after the West Tigers. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:41.840 Disaster. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.920 Right then he goes and coaches the Kiwi's to a 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.920 most historic win over the Kangaroos, and everywhere I went, well, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.319 that's a job world done. But at the end of 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.000 the day, and like it or not, the state of 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.560 origin is still held in higher regard than test match 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.160 footy and for Madge to come in with a with 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:06.520 his own with his own way forward for the state 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.800 of which, to be fair, Madge has had nothing to 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:16.880 do with state of origin. But he his groundwork. I'm 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.400 talking from day the day he got appointed late last year. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:25.160 The groundwork of understanding origin and latching onto a belief 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.640 system by talking to that many former New South Wales 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:34.000 players was extraordinary. And the Blue Mountains going away there 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.920 guys like that was a lot of people were bagging 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.280 it straight away, Like who goes to the Blue Mountains 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.160 in winter to prepare? 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.000 Definitely not me. I didn't make it to prepare for 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.360 the biggest game of the year. It's it's unheard of. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:47.440 But he did it. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.600 He would I'd ring him and he'd be driving up 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.320 the mountains to go and meet with the owner of 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.920 the Lua Hotel of whether Blue state. This was prior 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.960 to Christmas, you know, and he's far yeah, so he 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:03.600 like he deserves a lot of credit. The original question 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.199 Mick was, I just think his appeal grows and there 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.800 will be a club that I have a window of 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.600 opportunity to go and win a camp that will make 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.080 moves on their current coach to get match. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.960 That's my point. I'm looking at Michael maguire now and 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.920 we've seen it. He is a premiership window coach. I'm 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.120 not buying him if I'm bottom, I'm not signing him. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.600 If I'm bottom forward it's going to take has proven that, right. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.520 I think he's shown that for a he can get 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.400 the best out of elite players, right, he can he 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.400 can get them to that next level. We've seen it, 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.440 say in Wigan, and we saw it at South We've 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:38.800 seen it with New Zealand now we've seen it with 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.679 New South Wales. That's not a fluke, right. So if 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.440 I'm a club on the bottom of the ladder trying 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.080 to rebuild, that's going to take a bit of time. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:51.680 I'm not going with clubs suit anyone that you think 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.640 that could win a premiership, any of them, you know, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.600 Like if the pressure mounts on Kevy, I think he'd 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.599 be perfect for that team. It's good ship, you know 0:10:58.640 --> 0:10:59.000 what I mean. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.240 A lot of critics, there's a lot of critics of 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.880 Paramatta for not getting rid of Brad earlier than they did. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.760 But if I'm Paramatta, I still wouldn't have gone Michael maguire. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.480 I just I just don't think. I don't think Ross 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.800 is ready. I just don't think it's it's it's it's 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.520 an aging sort of side, and it's gonna it's going 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.720 to take a little bit more work. I don't think 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.760 even if Michael McGuire that's my pick. Like I just 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.160 I wouldn't have gone there for Michael McGuire. But when 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.800 we start looking at Cowboys was the other one I 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.240 was going to toss up. You start looking at these 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.559 sizes and you go this roster, what about post Bellamy? 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.120 For sure? For sure, all all those sides right, but 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.040 you know he's never gonna get back to the Tigers. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.480 But if I'm not signing Michael McGuire, if I'm the tyger, 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.160 I forget of what's obviously going on there here where 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.400 you're coming from already made roster, the house would have 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.240 been all right for it, you know, like that one 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.880 of those clubs where you can parachute in three years 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:52.920 for years matter and then he's got to do. It's 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.120 very similar to what Wayne Bennett does. It doesn't last long, 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.320 but it match jumped straight away after what he's built. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.400 If I think he does next year's series me I 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.920 think if a job became available now, the fact that 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.720 he's got Origin out of the way and it was 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.719 a job like some of those clubs we mentioned. Look, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.839 I don't think any coaches getting sacked right between now 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.640 and you know, look at like you know if there's 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.400 been talking around Anthony Seaboard Meinly's a perfect roster for him, 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.200 you know, like that's that's where I'm talking Guys that 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.640 I think that could finish in the top four next 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.880 year if one of those jobs become available, that's who 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.040 I'd be trying to leave a sour taste in my mouth. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.600 If Madge's after one one campaign, have given what he's 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:39.240 built already, he's done. It's taken it so long to build, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.120 to build this Blues team. I think he's invested now. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.520 I think he ses at least next year's series out. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.839 I don't know. I think if if one of those 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.679 jobs becomes available and he thinks that he can win 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.760 a premiership at one of those classes, yeah, he's got 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.920 mad not to take. I want to be critical he 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.320 wants to coach the Yeah, he's made that clear, but 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.000 for mine only that topic. I did like how he 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:06.400 resisted the paramounta move. Yeah throughout, Like I know there 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.880 was some criticism around, I wouldn't have cared if he 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:13.280 went for the Paramatta job outside of Origin camp. At 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:14.080 the end of the Searon, I. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.360 Thought it was a powerful state of which speaks to 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.359 the belief within this current Blues system. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.640 I think he's I think he's shown that with elite 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.480 players he can get that last bit of lemon that 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.440 you know, squeeze out lemon really drawn. So I think 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.000 he's perfect for Origin and he can stay there for 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:31.760 the next five years. I've got no issue with that either, 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.120 because you know, Madge is intense. But I've far more 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.480 enjoyed Origin Madge than an Iroll Madge. He's been a 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:45.240 lot more fun to to. He's just this maneuvered him 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:50.400 out like away from the coach. Coach costrollers more than 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.480 just But that's what I'm trying to emphasize. It's like 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.280 it's the package. I agree, you know, and it's for 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.320 the first time really has looked rather at it and 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:03.600 it's you know, Billy, it's simple. I'm drawing comparisons to 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.440 Brad Fitler. Right where Brad Fhitler started and everything was 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.439 roady for the first couple of years. He couldn't he 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.160 couldn't make a bad selection. Everything he touch turned to 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.200 gold and then Freddy as the time went on and 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.760 those around him stiffened up, right, they got a bit 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.720 more intent, they got a bit more short with the 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.720 media and things like that, and you know, I think 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.560 Billy's just got to be mindful of that, that he 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.400 just doesn't go too far the other way now. And 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.000 there's no disgrace in losing this series for Queensland. There's 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.000 no disgrace in that performance last night. You know, Melbourne 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.160 was terrible for him. But what did you make of 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:38.440 the melay? 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.120 Yeah, I've got some big questions about Cam Murray, whether 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.520 he should have been sent off or not, because, like 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.920 I watched, we haven't seen it too much in rugby league, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:51.400 but I watch a. 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.720 Lot of NBA, and whenever there's a melee in the NBA. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.680 The first thing that you see benches being held back, 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.880 you can't get on otherwise you'll just get kicked out. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.960 And I just thought for sure Cam Murray would have 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:04.960 been sent off Dave. If that was the lrsel on 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.320 a Saturday or a Sunday that players getting a season band. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.160 Well he's sent off immediately. And I had this discussion 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.280 with the NRL last night while I was working on 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.760 the story about what's the code of conduct rules is? 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:26.680 And there's no delay in it, definitive definitive ruling. It's 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.600 always on the discretion of the match referee, which I 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.080 found interesting given that both in the Queensland Rugby League 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.600 Junior system and the new South Wales Rugby League Junior 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.400 system it is clear in their code of conducts and 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:42.440 he's openly declared that should any player become involved from 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.080 the interchange bench in a mala situation. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.320 It's an immediate sendoff. Yeah, so it's a little bit 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.920 age forty, they're gone. It's a bit of contradiction there. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:52.120 I get it. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.120 We treat the NRL differently in a vast number of 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:56.880 different rulings compared to junior league. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.000 I get that, but. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.000 We're talking about a pretty much a black and white situation. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.560 Clearing your bench to get involved. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.080 With the melee. That's that's that's a bit as simple 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.040 as that. What's the rule? Also might the only one 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.440 that heard USh say I'm going to send him off. Yeah, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.760 but I did read Dave's copy this morning and the 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.600 only thing that say there's multiple layers to it. Right. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:25.440 Obviously Cam sees Bryan Toss surrounded by ten Queenslanders, right 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.960 because the Queensland bench is there and like, so his 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:33.440 instinct is to protect his teammate who's dead set surrounded. Right. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.920 The second thing is he doesn't throw a punch. Yeah, 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.800 So I think that saves him from getting sent off. Yeah. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.560 I think you know he's in there more as protection 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.880 than to insights. So I still think you need a 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.040 black and white ruling around him. Reference. I think if 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.040 you threw a punch, he was gone, like sent off 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.720 gone and there's no case. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.040 So here's the thing, Like there couldn't have been more 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:04.920 bodies in and around that Malee. And how can you 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.160 be absolutely certain that Murray's involvement wasn't something more severe 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.840 when you when it's the match referee has to make 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.800 the call, it's the match referee's decision. 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:17.240 It should be a black and white rule. Mean, I 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.320 don't know, I don't know. I think if he got 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.000 sent off for that, I don't want him to be 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.720 said I don't like it. I don't. I don't. I'm 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.080 not calling it, but you can't. But look look who 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.400 Reuben koit does. He throws Bryan tight into a chair. 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.040 He actually throws him into a chair. Yeah, that's far 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.280 more dangerous than any encounter. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:37.240 Yeah, no doubt no. Like I just I think it 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:38.520 should be a black and white ruling. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.240 I think they got it. I think they got it right. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.480 If can't murray throw it through a punch, even a 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.120 slap or whatever the case may be for mine send off. 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:47.879 So if you think they've got it right, do you 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.480 think he should be not have the two three weeks? 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.720 You need a suspension, you need it's unfortunate for South. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.359 See I don't understand that. I don't understand how you 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:02.000 can say, well, Sinbin's fine for two three weeks, but 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.560 two now he serves two to three weeks out is 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:05.160 also fine. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.960 But there's got to be a there is a severe 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.719 punishment for being involved off the bench, right and if 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.080 he if he gets sent if he got sent off 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.080 for that, I just think and it's not the referees' 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.000 job to worry about the spectacle or anything like that. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.879 They just got officiate by the rules. I think they 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.320 they've got it right. It is harsh. Two games is harsh. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.800 Two games and Homolia. It's harsh for Manly who needs 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.040 to win. And you know, Tourny mesher Off the CEO 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.800 and Blake Solid the respective CEO of been on the 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.000 phone and Andrew Abdo filthy with the fact that they've 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.480 been their club is going to be punished. And it's 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.879 two years now that Manly had been punished for Origin. 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.240 They lost Tom Travoyvridge for a season the rest of 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.200 the season last year in Origin camp and I'm still 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.200 filthy at that. Now they've got a guy that's not 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.240 even playing and they met Homoli did the wrong thing. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.400 He's not the wrong thing to even like he's Homoli 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:54.640 has done something worse than Camp. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.960 Murray for those two CEOs suggesting any other recourse. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:03.679 Well with Mester of this morning and he's of the 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.400 opinion that homolog should serve it during Origin next year, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.000 which I don't know. I get the premise of it. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:10.720 I just don't know how you do that. What happens 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.200 if the bloke's retiring Super League? What if he doesn't 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.440 get pick there's you know it can work at the 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.840 start of the series for game one, but how you 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.080 officiate that for game three is hard. But I get 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.959 the frustration about any other REP game. I don't know 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.320 I made potentially, you know what I mean, what if 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.560 they're going to the super League? Yeah, you know what 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.520 if it's Luke Keary, we know there's going to the 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.399 super League and you know played origin. You know, whatever 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:40.480 the case may be, or. 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.080 As Felice retire, you can probably put parameters around it 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.600 about impacting the player but not his club. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.800 So if you actually have the super League part of it, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.440 I guess, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I guess. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:00.520 I guess. But then now they're getting pedal in the country. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.640