Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Daily Telegraph NRL podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Michael carry On with David Rickett matin Karnation Boys. No,
Speaker 1: Brent Reed, he's licking his lips. I'll take on Queenslander
Speaker 1: because that was one of the greatest games of football
Speaker 1: I've ever witnessed. How good was to day?
Speaker 2: It was unreal Mickey Maddie, I've got ice packs on
Speaker 2: my knees.
Speaker 1: Joking.
Speaker 2: It was extraordinary, Like the ferocity, the intensity and the
Speaker 2: length of that. Yeah, usually you know would last fifteen minutes,
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. He just kept coming. There would be some
Speaker 2: sick and sore boys today and it's gonna be fascinating
Speaker 2: to see who backs up this weekend. And also guys,
Speaker 2: you know, look, we'll wax lyrical about the Blues, but
Speaker 2: from a Queensland point of view too, Like you know,
Speaker 2: players like Pat Carrigan who was called out by Parker,
Speaker 2: is someone to stand up like I just saw Carrigan. Like,
Speaker 2: if he backs up for the Broncos against Newcastle this,
Speaker 2: we're going to be phenomenal. He just kept coming. Every
Speaker 2: carry was brutal and every hit was brutal from Carrigan.
Speaker 2: I thought he did a good job for Queensland, but
Speaker 2: it's all about.
Speaker 1: The Blues, Mick. It's awesome, Maddie. Elviously it dispelled one
Speaker 1: of the myths that you need a high scoring game
Speaker 1: for it to be exciting and entertaining. Yeah, yeah, thanks
Speaker 1: for the call up. Nineteenth man.
Speaker 3: I've run from my desk over there, not as far
Speaker 3: as Homoli, but yeah, I was one of those games
Speaker 3: where you thought, is it going to happen?
Speaker 1: Are we going to have like a three.
Speaker 3: To two, a four to two score line, one for
Speaker 3: the one for the Purists, But yeah, obviously just a
Speaker 3: couple of moments there for the Blues and that was
Speaker 3: the difference in the end.
Speaker 1: I was hoping for a new Law score line at
Speaker 1: halftime because it was just remarkable, Like I loved what
Speaker 1: Queensident we hadble to we stand in that opening forty
Speaker 1: minutes had me worried, yeah, going into the halftime break
Speaker 1: because the Blues had all the bore, all the territory
Speaker 1: and still trailed at the halftime pray. But this new
Speaker 1: South Wales side had an edge, had a composure, had
Speaker 1: composure about him and even dated as far back as
Speaker 1: to Game one where you know it was that ten
Speaker 1: minute period after saw Lei he got sent off that
Speaker 1: they just struggled to adjust. But after that they found
Speaker 1: their rhythm and didn't look too far off the pace.
Speaker 1: And we saw what they did in Melbourne and then
Speaker 1: what they were able to do last night. It was
Speaker 1: truly one of the meat the remarkable performances. Queensland obviously
Speaker 1: shattered with the loss, but it wasn't like Melbourne where
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't rock up to Melbourne and put
Speaker 1: in the effort required. Either side would have been left heartbroken.
Speaker 1: But Dave, what was what was the moment for you
Speaker 1: last night? You know what?
Speaker 2: Because I was thinking about this this morning driving to
Speaker 2: the office this morning, about one like I see two
Speaker 2: sides to it.
Speaker 1: I see a Queensland side that were down.
Speaker 2: On troops like Tino for Sumi, Tommy Gilbert, Xavier Coats,
Speaker 2: Thomas Flegler, like they were big outs for Queensland right.
Speaker 2: But at the same time I feel as though we've
Speaker 2: seen a genuine shift in mentality from a new South
Speaker 2: Wales side that has will go a long way to
Speaker 2: killing off the aura of the Maroons. And what I
Speaker 2: mean by that is that to do that, to do
Speaker 2: the last night's performance up at the cauldroom in the
Speaker 2: face of such ferocity. They now know when their backs
Speaker 2: are against the wall in the future that they can
Speaker 2: come through. And you go back to the Origin one
Speaker 2: game one when they were down to twelve men. The
Speaker 2: Maroons should have done what the New South Wales so
Speaker 2: I did in game two to them.
Speaker 1: They should have won by fifty.
Speaker 2: But there was a resolve to this New South Wales
Speaker 2: team from game one which carried through to the annihilation
Speaker 2: of Origin two and again I speak about I just
Speaker 2: wonder if they've broken they've come through the wall. They've
Speaker 2: smashed down the Queensland wall, of which could be harder
Speaker 2: for Queensland to rebuild than the momentum now behind New
Speaker 2: South Wales going forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think like we're going to sit here
Speaker 1: and say this is the start of a long run.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they've been able to go do
Speaker 1: it in Queensland's backyard to win it decideer obviously get
Speaker 1: the monkey off the bat because this plane group hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it. Some of them hadn't even watched it because
Speaker 1: there it was that long ago forum. So you know
Speaker 1: New Soub I was down on trips to no clearing,
Speaker 1: No travoy bitch would have been walk up starts the
Speaker 1: trail obviously in game one and Game three, so two
Speaker 1: big outs for them, But it was they just got
Speaker 1: out muscled Queensland. They did, and you know, we look
Speaker 1: at but that's something we haven't been able to say
Speaker 1: in a long time.
Speaker 2: I go to next year's series and this Blues team,
Speaker 2: surely it's going to it'll be different in some areas,
Speaker 2: but they walk into camp next series going we can
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 1: Queensland, don't get bullied. If Tino's there, Fleggler's there, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Gilbert's there. Like that helps, right, because like Felice
Speaker 1: Confusi is a shadow of the former player of the
Speaker 1: player that he was, yeah right, And how many minutes
Speaker 1: did he play it last night? You can't tell me
Speaker 1: that they got that right right. Didn't get back on
Speaker 1: They didn't get back on right, They didn't get that yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2: It was just eighteen minutes, seventeen minutes, Stint and all
Speaker 2: along the boys, all along. My mail in relation to
Speaker 2: the discussion around bringing Josh Babali back, was to do
Speaker 2: that exact role.
Speaker 1: It was always just.
Speaker 2: Going to be come on and do your best for
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes and Slater it was a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Was your quarter to start, wasn't it? Dave called to
Speaker 1: start CAFUSI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well yeah, I thought it would have a
Speaker 2: greater impact than that it was.
Speaker 1: I just don't think for the least now out his
Speaker 1: age and stage of his career is feared like he
Speaker 1: once was. Obviously, look at it. Look at Mitch Barnett,
Speaker 1: the way he came on and out muscled. That's what
Speaker 1: they were looking for. Queensland were looking for their version
Speaker 1: of Mitch Barnett, and with all those players, they just
Speaker 1: don't have it. And then that's been that issue. Kargan
Speaker 1: was outstanding, like so many good players. But I think
Speaker 1: Harry Grant didn't have a great origin series, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he fell away a little bit and I
Speaker 1: felt like Ben Hunt showed his age a little bit too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's to be undersstandable at a game of
Speaker 2: such ferocity.
Speaker 1: Mirix Robson was the best dummy half out there. He
Speaker 1: was you know by what the Australian number nine. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's a conversation they're going to have to have
Speaker 1: because obviously males January generally gone with the Hunt Grant
Speaker 1: combination of late as well. But you know, Reece Robson
Speaker 1: was the dummy half of the Origin series and was
Speaker 1: outstanding last night. Would have gone quite to get him
Speaker 1: out of the match. From mind, you can't. Look, it
Speaker 1: was hard to want a bad player for New South Wales,
Speaker 1: but if Reith Robson had walked away with that award,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had. And that was a big selection
Speaker 1: by Michael McGuire because a lot of us been included,
Speaker 1: were calling for Happy to be in the side, but
Speaker 1: he backed recent. Look you look at the squad that
Speaker 1: Michael mcguie picked and Game one that wasn't his desired side.
Speaker 1: We all know that right That wasn't the team that
Speaker 1: he wanted to pick, but because of injuries, because of suspensions,
Speaker 1: because of a range of unavailabilities, he was sort of
Speaker 1: lump with that team. But Game two was much more
Speaker 1: of his team and it just proved dividends. What does
Speaker 1: this mean for Michael McGuire now? Made he going forward?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad Dave that you brought up game one
Speaker 3: because I was thinking, yes, they was such a long
Speaker 3: build up. I was just thinking about the biggest point
Speaker 3: so far in origin, and I think it was that
Speaker 3: forty to fifty minutes after Swally came off where Queensland
Speaker 3: should have.
Speaker 1: Put the bleachers through the Blues but they didn't.
Speaker 3: And it just last night, it just showed that because
Speaker 3: they had so much bore, so much territory, and you
Speaker 3: just thought, geez, they're going to fold here at some point,
Speaker 3: They're going to be really frustrated, especially Mitch being such
Speaker 3: an emotional kind of player. I thought that they and
Speaker 3: Jerome I thought they might have kind of caved in,
Speaker 3: but they didn't, and they both delivered the key moments
Speaker 3: when Queensland normally do so. I think as far as
Speaker 3: Mage's performance, I think that was the biggest thing that
Speaker 3: he The biggest thing he brought to the Blues was
Speaker 3: that mentality that he changed for that team.
Speaker 1: What does it mean for in terms of an RL prospects, Dave.
Speaker 2: I just think that I think it increases his appeal.
Speaker 2: You don't you can't deny that he was damaged goods
Speaker 2: after the West Tigers.
Speaker 1: Disaster.
Speaker 2: Right then he goes and coaches the Kiwi's to a
Speaker 2: most historic win over the Kangaroos, and everywhere I went, well,
Speaker 2: that's a job world done. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, and like it or not, the state of
Speaker 2: origin is still held in higher regard than test match
Speaker 2: footy and for Madge to come in with a with
Speaker 2: his own with his own way forward for the state
Speaker 2: of which, to be fair, Madge has had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with state of origin. But he his groundwork. I'm
Speaker 2: talking from day the day he got appointed late last year.
Speaker 2: The groundwork of understanding origin and latching onto a belief
Speaker 2: system by talking to that many former New South Wales
Speaker 2: players was extraordinary. And the Blue Mountains going away there
Speaker 2: guys like that was a lot of people were bagging
Speaker 2: it straight away, Like who goes to the Blue Mountains
Speaker 2: in winter to prepare?
Speaker 1: Definitely not me. I didn't make it to prepare for
Speaker 1: the biggest game of the year. It's it's unheard of.
Speaker 1: But he did it.
Speaker 2: He would I'd ring him and he'd be driving up
Speaker 2: the mountains to go and meet with the owner of
Speaker 2: the Lua Hotel of whether Blue state. This was prior
Speaker 2: to Christmas, you know, and he's far yeah, so he
Speaker 2: like he deserves a lot of credit. The original question
Speaker 2: Mick was, I just think his appeal grows and there
Speaker 2: will be a club that I have a window of
Speaker 2: opportunity to go and win a camp that will make
Speaker 2: moves on their current coach to get match.
Speaker 1: That's my point. I'm looking at Michael maguire now and
Speaker 1: we've seen it. He is a premiership window coach. I'm
Speaker 1: not buying him if I'm bottom, I'm not signing him.
Speaker 1: If I'm bottom forward it's going to take has proven that, right.
Speaker 1: I think he's shown that for a he can get
Speaker 1: the best out of elite players, right, he can he
Speaker 1: can get them to that next level. We've seen it,
Speaker 1: say in Wigan, and we saw it at South We've
Speaker 1: seen it with New Zealand now we've seen it with
Speaker 1: New South Wales. That's not a fluke, right. So if
Speaker 1: I'm a club on the bottom of the ladder trying
Speaker 1: to rebuild, that's going to take a bit of time.
Speaker 1: I'm not going with clubs suit anyone that you think
Speaker 1: that could win a premiership, any of them, you know,
Speaker 1: Like if the pressure mounts on Kevy, I think he'd
Speaker 1: be perfect for that team. It's good ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: A lot of critics, there's a lot of critics of
Speaker 3: Paramatta for not getting rid of Brad earlier than they did.
Speaker 1: But if I'm Paramatta, I still wouldn't have gone Michael maguire.
Speaker 1: I just I just don't think. I don't think Ross
Speaker 1: is ready. I just don't think it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: an aging sort of side, and it's gonna it's going
Speaker 1: to take a little bit more work. I don't think
Speaker 1: even if Michael McGuire that's my pick. Like I just
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone there for Michael McGuire. But when
Speaker 1: we start looking at Cowboys was the other one I
Speaker 1: was going to toss up. You start looking at these
Speaker 1: sizes and you go this roster, what about post Bellamy?
Speaker 1: For sure? For sure, all all those sides right, but
Speaker 1: you know he's never gonna get back to the Tigers.
Speaker 1: But if I'm not signing Michael McGuire, if I'm the tyger,
Speaker 1: I forget of what's obviously going on there here where
Speaker 1: you're coming from already made roster, the house would have
Speaker 1: been all right for it, you know, like that one
Speaker 1: of those clubs where you can parachute in three years
Speaker 1: for years matter and then he's got to do. It's
Speaker 1: very similar to what Wayne Bennett does. It doesn't last long,
Speaker 1: but it match jumped straight away after what he's built.
Speaker 1: If I think he does next year's series me I
Speaker 1: think if a job became available now, the fact that
Speaker 1: he's got Origin out of the way and it was
Speaker 1: a job like some of those clubs we mentioned. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't think any coaches getting sacked right between now
Speaker 1: and you know, look at like you know if there's
Speaker 1: been talking around Anthony Seaboard Meinly's a perfect roster for him,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's that's where I'm talking Guys that
Speaker 1: I think that could finish in the top four next
Speaker 1: year if one of those jobs become available, that's who
Speaker 1: I'd be trying to leave a sour taste in my mouth.
Speaker 1: If Madge's after one one campaign, have given what he's
Speaker 1: built already, he's done. It's taken it so long to build,
Speaker 1: to build this Blues team. I think he's invested now.
Speaker 1: I think he ses at least next year's series out.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think if if one of those
Speaker 1: jobs becomes available and he thinks that he can win
Speaker 1: a premiership at one of those classes, yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: mad not to take. I want to be critical he
Speaker 1: wants to coach the Yeah, he's made that clear, but
Speaker 1: for mine only that topic. I did like how he
Speaker 1: resisted the paramounta move. Yeah throughout, Like I know there
Speaker 1: was some criticism around, I wouldn't have cared if he
Speaker 1: went for the Paramatta job outside of Origin camp. At
Speaker 1: the end of the Searon, I.
Speaker 2: Thought it was a powerful state of which speaks to
Speaker 2: the belief within this current Blues system.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's shown that with elite
Speaker 1: players he can get that last bit of lemon that
Speaker 1: you know, squeeze out lemon really drawn. So I think
Speaker 1: he's perfect for Origin and he can stay there for
Speaker 1: the next five years. I've got no issue with that either,
Speaker 1: because you know, Madge is intense. But I've far more
Speaker 1: enjoyed Origin Madge than an Iroll Madge. He's been a
Speaker 1: lot more fun to to. He's just this maneuvered him
Speaker 1: out like away from the coach. Coach costrollers more than
Speaker 1: just But that's what I'm trying to emphasize. It's like
Speaker 1: it's the package. I agree, you know, and it's for
Speaker 1: the first time really has looked rather at it and
Speaker 1: it's you know, Billy, it's simple. I'm drawing comparisons to
Speaker 1: Brad Fitler. Right where Brad Fhitler started and everything was
Speaker 1: roady for the first couple of years. He couldn't he
Speaker 1: couldn't make a bad selection. Everything he touch turned to
Speaker 1: gold and then Freddy as the time went on and
Speaker 1: those around him stiffened up, right, they got a bit
Speaker 1: more intent, they got a bit more short with the
Speaker 1: media and things like that, and you know, I think
Speaker 1: Billy's just got to be mindful of that, that he
Speaker 1: just doesn't go too far the other way now. And
Speaker 1: there's no disgrace in losing this series for Queensland. There's
Speaker 1: no disgrace in that performance last night. You know, Melbourne
Speaker 1: was terrible for him. But what did you make of
Speaker 1: the melay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got some big questions about Cam Murray, whether
Speaker 3: he should have been sent off or not, because, like
Speaker 3: I watched, we haven't seen it too much in rugby league,
Speaker 3: but I watch a.
Speaker 1: Lot of NBA, and whenever there's a melee in the NBA.
Speaker 3: The first thing that you see benches being held back,
Speaker 3: you can't get on otherwise you'll just get kicked out.
Speaker 1: And I just thought for sure Cam Murray would have
Speaker 1: been sent off Dave. If that was the lrsel on
Speaker 1: a Saturday or a Sunday that players getting a season band.
Speaker 2: Well he's sent off immediately. And I had this discussion
Speaker 2: with the NRL last night while I was working on
Speaker 2: the story about what's the code of conduct rules is?
Speaker 2: And there's no delay in it, definitive definitive ruling. It's
Speaker 2: always on the discretion of the match referee, which I
Speaker 2: found interesting given that both in the Queensland Rugby League
Speaker 2: Junior system and the new South Wales Rugby League Junior
Speaker 2: system it is clear in their code of conducts and
Speaker 2: he's openly declared that should any player become involved from
Speaker 2: the interchange bench in a mala situation.
Speaker 1: It's an immediate sendoff. Yeah, so it's a little bit
Speaker 1: age forty, they're gone. It's a bit of contradiction there.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: We treat the NRL differently in a vast number of
Speaker 2: different rulings compared to junior league.
Speaker 1: I get that, but.
Speaker 2: We're talking about a pretty much a black and white situation.
Speaker 2: Clearing your bench to get involved.
Speaker 1: With the melee. That's that's that's a bit as simple
Speaker 1: as that. What's the rule? Also might the only one
Speaker 1: that heard USh say I'm going to send him off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I did read Dave's copy this morning and the
Speaker 1: only thing that say there's multiple layers to it. Right.
Speaker 1: Obviously Cam sees Bryan Toss surrounded by ten Queenslanders, right
Speaker 1: because the Queensland bench is there and like, so his
Speaker 1: instinct is to protect his teammate who's dead set surrounded. Right.
Speaker 1: The second thing is he doesn't throw a punch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think that saves him from getting sent off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think you know he's in there more as protection
Speaker 1: than to insights. So I still think you need a
Speaker 1: black and white ruling around him. Reference. I think if
Speaker 1: you threw a punch, he was gone, like sent off
Speaker 1: gone and there's no case.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing, Like there couldn't have been more
Speaker 2: bodies in and around that Malee. And how can you
Speaker 2: be absolutely certain that Murray's involvement wasn't something more severe
Speaker 2: when you when it's the match referee has to make
Speaker 2: the call, it's the match referee's decision.
Speaker 1: It should be a black and white rule. Mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I think if he got
Speaker 1: sent off for that, I don't want him to be
Speaker 1: said I don't like it. I don't. I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not calling it, but you can't. But look look who
Speaker 1: Reuben koit does. He throws Bryan tight into a chair.
Speaker 1: He actually throws him into a chair. Yeah, that's far
Speaker 1: more dangerous than any encounter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt no. Like I just I think it
Speaker 2: should be a black and white ruling.
Speaker 1: I think they got it. I think they got it right.
Speaker 1: If can't murray throw it through a punch, even a
Speaker 1: slap or whatever the case may be for mine send off.
Speaker 3: So if you think they've got it right, do you
Speaker 3: think he should be not have the two three weeks?
Speaker 1: You need a suspension, you need it's unfortunate for South.
Speaker 2: See I don't understand that. I don't understand how you
Speaker 2: can say, well, Sinbin's fine for two three weeks, but
Speaker 2: two now he serves two to three weeks out is
Speaker 2: also fine.
Speaker 1: But there's got to be a there is a severe
Speaker 1: punishment for being involved off the bench, right and if
Speaker 1: he if he gets sent if he got sent off
Speaker 1: for that, I just think and it's not the referees'
Speaker 1: job to worry about the spectacle or anything like that.
Speaker 1: They just got officiate by the rules. I think they
Speaker 1: they've got it right. It is harsh. Two games is harsh.
Speaker 1: Two games and Homolia. It's harsh for Manly who needs
Speaker 1: to win. And you know, Tourny mesher Off the CEO
Speaker 1: and Blake Solid the respective CEO of been on the
Speaker 1: phone and Andrew Abdo filthy with the fact that they've
Speaker 1: been their club is going to be punished. And it's
Speaker 1: two years now that Manly had been punished for Origin.
Speaker 1: They lost Tom Travoyvridge for a season the rest of
Speaker 1: the season last year in Origin camp and I'm still
Speaker 1: filthy at that. Now they've got a guy that's not
Speaker 1: even playing and they met Homoli did the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: He's not the wrong thing to even like he's Homoli
Speaker 1: has done something worse than Camp.
Speaker 2: Murray for those two CEOs suggesting any other recourse.
Speaker 1: Well with Mester of this morning and he's of the
Speaker 1: opinion that homolog should serve it during Origin next year,
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I get the premise of it.
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you do that. What happens
Speaker 1: if the bloke's retiring Super League? What if he doesn't
Speaker 1: get pick there's you know it can work at the
Speaker 1: start of the series for game one, but how you
Speaker 1: officiate that for game three is hard. But I get
Speaker 1: the frustration about any other REP game. I don't know
Speaker 1: I made potentially, you know what I mean, what if
Speaker 1: they're going to the super League? Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: if it's Luke Keary, we know there's going to the
Speaker 1: super League and you know played origin. You know, whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be, or.
Speaker 2: As Felice retire, you can probably put parameters around it
Speaker 2: about impacting the player but not his club.
Speaker 1: So if you actually have the super League part of it,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess. But then now they're getting pedal in the country.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's I don't know. I get. I
Speaker 1: understand merely in South frustration. Yeah, for sure. I just
Speaker 1: don't have a better solution, bigger fine. Yeah, eventually any.
Speaker 2: Other every other REP game broadened and broadens it beyond
Speaker 2: state of origin.
Speaker 1: It makes sense in theory, right, Yeah, But I just don't.
Speaker 3: We've just been fine with Camo being sent off, but
Speaker 3: the Blues keeping or thirteen men.
Speaker 1: No when that doesn't work, No, you can't because he
Speaker 1: wasn't on the field. No, No, if you sent off
Speaker 1: yourself off.
Speaker 2: No, we went down this path with Suley in that spectacle.
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, don't take me down this rabbit hole again.
Speaker 1: There's different circumstances, right, I think that's what Matts, alluding
Speaker 1: to the fact that he was and on the field
Speaker 1: a little bit confused the fact that you could nominate
Speaker 1: a player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you hear what happened there, So that the
Speaker 2: stats guy up in the Blues box, Madge yelled out
Speaker 2: in the Blues by who's been out there the longest,
Speaker 2: who's made the most tackles? Who's made the most And
Speaker 2: they went, Mitch, get him off.
Speaker 1: Funny they on in the first couple of minutes because
Speaker 1: of the angers cried in situation. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know the solution to that. Do
Speaker 1: you boys have a Maddie, do you have a solution
Speaker 1: to blokes missing club footy off the back of origin?
Speaker 1: I think a bigger flye in the pocket?
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think MADD's probably right. I mean,
Speaker 2: no player likes losing their cash and if you whack
Speaker 2: them hard, I.
Speaker 1: Have Ribben doesn't has not been suspended for throwing Bryant
Speaker 1: into a chair, like that's far worse than anything about that. No,
Speaker 1: I've just not Yeah, but don't you think you think
Speaker 1: that's dangerous.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't say bigger fine, doesn't hurt a club
Speaker 3: if that's what we're if that's the goal here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I still think there's got to be a
Speaker 1: parameter for and this hasn't happened in this instance, but
Speaker 1: for the fact if someone comes in and blatantly commits
Speaker 1: an act of foul play on purpose, like I doubt
Speaker 1: we'll see it, but they've still got to be that
Speaker 1: parameter for the NROL to rub that player out for
Speaker 1: a long long time. It effects, but like a proper
Speaker 1: like on purpose elbow or something in the ground that
Speaker 1: was amped up. He didn't do that on purpose, right,
Speaker 1: Like I mean like a distinct someone punched someone's on
Speaker 1: the ground, you know, like something where you go, well,
Speaker 1: that's that's way across the lines. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: can understand they're frustrations, But could you imagine if the
Speaker 1: na L could bottle that eighty minutes and take it
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I was thinking about that last night me
Speaker 1: and you know what, I hear what you're saying. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying take origin there. I'm just saying in a
Speaker 1: pipe dream, well yeah, if you could. Well, I was
Speaker 1: thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, how can this game that it was
Speaker 2: done before I'm watching unfolded before my eyes, just unbelievable brutality.
Speaker 1: How can we take this to the world stage? It
Speaker 1: is the best, But you know what, the catches on
Speaker 1: planet Earth?
Speaker 2: Sun cale helps, Yeah, create the atmosphere, and that's the key.
Speaker 1: This has been the pet of Landy's point is that
Speaker 1: if they can somehow just get eyebores onto the game consistently,
Speaker 1: people will love it. And you know, like anyone that
Speaker 1: doesn't love rugby league, something's wrong with you. Yes, like
Speaker 1: how could you not enjoy minutes chechnical any other watches
Speaker 1: AFL instead of rugby league. You were dribblers because there
Speaker 1: is no way that spectacle even comes close to what
Speaker 1: we were winning last night. And it wasn't about fighting,
Speaker 1: it wasn't about tries, it wasn't about all these cliche
Speaker 1: things that apparently makes rugby league great. It was to
Speaker 1: end action of blokes going at one hundred miles an
Speaker 1: hour for eighty minutes, putting their bodies on the line. No,
Speaker 1: we didn't lose a plate on Hia. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Last six again, it was just an amazing spectacle,
Speaker 1: except for the fact that Queens and were allowed to
Speaker 1: all asleep on the ruck. But what it gave what
Speaker 1: an origin series? What don't to Michael McGuire and and
Speaker 1: you know looks like another origin series in The Bad Boys.
Speaker 1: So let's shift our focus now to the club Land. Dave.
Speaker 1: You had a story earlier this week regarding the Bulldogs
Speaker 1: and their massive injury toll. Can you tell us, yeah,
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: They've got they've got some issues and it's it's unfortunate
Speaker 2: for the Dogs given the trajectory they've been on climbing
Speaker 2: up the ladder.
Speaker 1: They've clearly lost now Max King.
Speaker 2: They've got joshadow Carr on the sidelines, Jam and Sam
Speaker 2: and Blake Taff.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a pretty.
Speaker 2: Big casualty ward and it's gonna have to take some
Speaker 2: cosmetic changes from Cameron Serato, of which depth is starting
Speaker 2: to run a little bit thin. Josh Curen will now
Speaker 2: have to start in the front row in this huge
Speaker 2: game for the Dogs up in Townsville. I've got some
Speaker 2: calls in at this point in time, in and around
Speaker 2: the available availability of Stephen Crichton.
Speaker 1: He was wearing a pretty heavy.
Speaker 2: Ice pack on his knee post match last night. They
Speaker 2: need him, they really need him out there. So look,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a tricky period.
Speaker 1: For the Dogs.
Speaker 2: But what I like about the Dogs is their fortitude
Speaker 2: and their resilience defensively and and while I say they've
Speaker 2: got increasing injuries, so they've they've been carrying on with pretty.
Speaker 1: Much a no frills forward pack anyway. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: It just it speaks to their resolve, but it certainly
Speaker 2: hurts them. That's that's for sure. Locks of Chris Pattolo pharmacilia,
Speaker 2: they're now in the frame as far as options in
Speaker 2: that pack, and I've got you know, those guys have
Speaker 2: only played a handful of first grade games in the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, So that's where they're at.
Speaker 1: The Dogs are they sweet to make the eight? Now?
Speaker 1: I bring what are they? I would have had them
Speaker 1: before these few injuries all but a lot out for
Speaker 1: Maxking eight weeks. Yeah, yeah, so he might not play
Speaker 1: again in the regular season. Yeah, so so reliable, He's
Speaker 1: just been a reliable constant for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say I think we're really underselling
Speaker 3: how valuable he's been because I think he's got himself
Speaker 3: to about fifty fifty five minute front rower, which I'm
Speaker 3: not sure the other guys their depth chart can can
Speaker 3: replace with. So yeah, it's a huge loss, but for
Speaker 3: their sake and their their fans have really come alive
Speaker 3: with life it's been I was there for that that
Speaker 3: Dog's IELs game and it was just rocky.
Speaker 1: It was rocking that day.
Speaker 2: As I said, I'm so so keen to see how
Speaker 2: they respond in Townsville on Sunday against the Cowboys from
Speaker 2: a defensive point of view, because that's where you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's that's why they are.
Speaker 2: Where they are their defense, and when they when you
Speaker 2: start to make a couple of changes in your defensive models,
Speaker 2: that's when it starts the chain can get broken. However,
Speaker 2: I think Serato has done a pretty good job of
Speaker 2: keeping everyone on the same page defensively so far with
Speaker 2: the changes that he has made half back, included a
Speaker 2: couple of fullback changes through the season. So I think
Speaker 2: it's a cracking match to see how the Dogs shape
Speaker 2: up on Sunday.
Speaker 1: It's obvious, but one or two more injuries and there
Speaker 1: it's going to hurt him. They're scratching big time because
Speaker 1: they're probably they get they're at the point now where
Speaker 1: they've can filled seventeen good players. Yep. Outside of that, though,
Speaker 1: it sort of drops away significantly. Black play Black Taffe
Speaker 1: would have been so important, like, oh totally. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that can play lots of positions and
Speaker 1: slot in, but you know he's missing long term too.
Speaker 1: So the first one that we'll get back is the Fox.
Speaker 2: The Fox will push, push hard to come back next week,
Speaker 2: but again he's scheduled for two the following week.
Speaker 1: Two weeks.
Speaker 2: Time will tell on the Fox. Read Marney, guys, really
Speaker 2: quickly read. Marney was up in that Queensland camp. He
Speaker 2: was the understudy that Harry Grant and Ben Hunt, Billy
Speaker 2: Slater couldn't have been more impressed. So when we talk
Speaker 2: about origin that we need a bit of.
Speaker 1: The Oh my god, that's what we need. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were so impressed with him. He's a dead set chance
Speaker 1: next year. And just speak of this quickly recapped the
Speaker 1: injuries from last night. Obviously, Mitch Moses ruptured biceps, gone
Speaker 1: Paramatta becoming bottom of the ladder. That means that you know,
Speaker 1: Tigers fans probably a bit really that they're gonna make
Speaker 1: that is so they'll be battling tough for Paramotter. I
Speaker 1: think they played on the last round Tiger's way out
Speaker 1: the spoon. It will be a block bus Dylan Edwards
Speaker 1: knee injury, might miss a month. Peter Bidell, our colleague
Speaker 1: has reported Carrigan won't play for the Broncos Reee Walsh
Speaker 1: unlikely or in doubt, but the Cowboys boys and Tom
Speaker 1: Diden and Valentine Homes from Queensland will play. So a
Speaker 1: fair bit.
Speaker 2: I spoke to the Knights this morning. Bradman Best obviously
Speaker 2: had that hammy little issue. From all reports, he's pulled
Speaker 2: up fine on that front. He's got five to six
Speaker 2: stitches and he's lived Callum Pong, Dane Gag. All three
Speaker 2: boys are reporting back to Newcastle that they're caen to play,
Speaker 2: but until they're assessed just after lunchtime on Thursday, the
Speaker 2: Knights won't be absolutely definitive on that.
Speaker 1: What do you say Carrigan's backing up from Peter Bdell.
Speaker 2: So the big one is Adam Reynolds for the Broncos.
Speaker 2: Guys understanding will undergo a fitness test on Friday. He's
Speaker 2: desperately keen to play. It could be a huge in
Speaker 2: which is well before his return date.
Speaker 1: All they're suggestions he might not even play a game
Speaker 1: this year. Speaking of Blakes that are back, Tom Travoy
Speaker 1: bitch outstanding back in the number one jersey and allayed
Speaker 1: and his suggestions now that he's going to not play
Speaker 1: fullback for many he's got to play the number one jersey.
Speaker 1: It's Tommy back mainly back Maney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I think so you put Cherry back in
Speaker 3: that team too. Same about how Molli, But they certainly
Speaker 3: look like the team that, with the injection of a
Speaker 3: player like Turbo, will be on the up for the
Speaker 3: rest of the year. I'm back in the men for fire.
Speaker 2: What about what about Brookie Oval? But they're now getting
Speaker 2: back to the fortress where they they almost can't be beaten.
Speaker 2: So they play the Titans on Sunday right for the
Speaker 2: days has the Cup?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like this, this this.
Speaker 2: Brookie Oval is creating the same vibes of ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Sell out after sellout after sellout. They're good when mainly
Speaker 1: are on. They're good to watch because they've got strike
Speaker 1: obviously Tommy and Garyo Coloca d C. I know Cohler
Speaker 1: is injured, Tommy to Lows going great. Jamie Humphries was
Speaker 1: really good for from last week. But they just shift
Speaker 1: the ball so quick. Look Brooks when he's running. So
Speaker 1: they just have some spark about him. And that's why
Speaker 1: I started the year I had him. I thought they'd
Speaker 1: win the camp. Really, I've gone a little bit off
Speaker 1: that in terms of their premiership winning ability. But if
Speaker 1: Tommy goes on a run now obviously, well I didn't
Speaker 1: have them in my eight. They could. Apparently they've got
Speaker 1: a softest draw on the way home. Yeah, so they'll fit.
Speaker 1: I think they'll finish in the top.
Speaker 2: I'm talking this home this home ground, I'm chalking wins
Speaker 2: almost every time they play there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going good. I do like Loay the Titans
Speaker 1: are going. They've improved. It's been terrific.
Speaker 2: And they need Brimson back out there now. He's been
Speaker 2: he's got this injury that just continues to linger. He
Speaker 2: can't get back on the on the field. He's named
Speaker 2: in the interchange of reserves this weekend. Again he'll push
Speaker 2: to play. But that's who they need. They need a
Speaker 2: game breaker and like they're only improved, but throw him
Speaker 2: into the mix and they're dangerous Broncos.
Speaker 1: Not for me, I think they I think they're gone. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're in big trouble.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm surprised that Carrigan's not playing this weekend
Speaker 3: because it's just about muscle Winn.
Speaker 1: Now from here on out. Yeah, I have to win
Speaker 1: every single be in those works like that, and they
Speaker 1: play Newcastle side that they'll compete with for that top
Speaker 1: eight spots. So yeah, I'm with your boys. I think
Speaker 1: they're going to leave their run a little bit too late. Brisbane,
Speaker 1: no Carrigan, potentially no Walsh.
Speaker 2: This game, this game against the Dragons disappointed me like
Speaker 2: no other because you know, I said this on three
Speaker 2: sixty on Tuesday night. I thought, for the first time,
Speaker 2: you know, I love Keev Walters for everything he brings
Speaker 2: to the game. He's highly a motive, wears his heart
Speaker 2: on his sleeve, calls it how he sees it. But
Speaker 2: I also think that played into the minds of his
Speaker 2: players where they were they lacked discipline, they were niggerly,
Speaker 2: they were giving penalties away six agains, coming up with
Speaker 2: ordinary errors and just they look like their minds weren't
Speaker 2: on the job, and sometimes emotion can do that. And
Speaker 2: that's where I just feel, as though I've said it before,
Speaker 2: where clubs are a reflect teams are a reflection of
Speaker 2: their coach a lot of the time, and I thought
Speaker 2: that this was a reflection of Kevy's coaching at this
Speaker 2: point in time.
Speaker 1: This leads us to our first question from Seiridge Surge.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure will Kevy be under the most pressure
Speaker 1: for a coach in the first ten rounds of the
Speaker 1: twenty five season if they missed the top eight, and
Speaker 1: who'd be in line to take over?
Speaker 2: Well, I think they will. I think he will be
Speaker 2: because of the size of that club. They are a
Speaker 2: football club that demand finals, appearances and premierships, and so
Speaker 2: they should given the financial model and structure that they have,
Speaker 2: given the roster that they have.
Speaker 1: It's almost Brad Arthur esque. Absolutely, they make the finals,
Speaker 1: you get one year saving grace and then they make
Speaker 1: the finals. The next year of tracking not to make
Speaker 1: the finals, then.
Speaker 3: Well that's why what up earlier about how there were
Speaker 3: people who wanted Brad Arthur gone that last off season
Speaker 3: that they didn't even want to give him a chance
Speaker 3: this year, Like, God, you'd be it would be pretty
Speaker 3: tough to make that call. Well on BA during that
Speaker 3: summer last summer and Kevy this summer, Like do you
Speaker 3: give Kevy.
Speaker 1: If going to miss? He gets to do. He's got
Speaker 1: too much respect up there. Kevy next year, but no
Speaker 1: doubt starts the year under significant pressure. And the bloke
Speaker 1: I mentioned already, Michael McGuire, yeah, match, Yeah, would be
Speaker 1: perfect for a job like that. Ryan said to the end,
Speaker 1: I look at bringing back the Anzac test. I don't
Speaker 1: know about this, Meek.
Speaker 2: I just think the calendar is so full on and
Speaker 2: we get we get the product of what we saw
Speaker 2: last night by preserving our best players and by adding
Speaker 2: an international where it is the elite, are we not
Speaker 2: asking more of them, of which would then dilute what
Speaker 2: we we saw last night.
Speaker 1: I love it like I'm an internationalist. I guess I
Speaker 1: love international footy. It deserves a place on the calendar.
Speaker 1: But I think they're fine in the right balance now
Speaker 1: by having postseason. I know it makes a year long,
Speaker 1: but I just think there's enough disruption in the season
Speaker 1: with origin that if you're going to disrupt the game's
Speaker 1: elite again and take them away from their club side
Speaker 1: or having a backup from the club side. I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's feasible, or clubs are already resting players
Speaker 1: when they're available.
Speaker 3: I think this is this year more than ever from
Speaker 3: what I can remember, the clubs were resting their Origin
Speaker 3: players when they were available to play.
Speaker 1: So you had a test in that and it's going
Speaker 1: to be worse.
Speaker 2: The other cast to that is is if you were
Speaker 2: picking the ANZAC Test this year, which Australian players would
Speaker 2: be chosen then compared to now after this year's Origin Series.
Speaker 2: Someone look at Zach Limax, who will walk into this
Speaker 2: end of season test team would not be in the
Speaker 2: air ZAC Test.
Speaker 1: You are picking players on what they did they would
Speaker 1: have been fullback.
Speaker 2: I'd suggest you're picking players on what they did the
Speaker 2: previous season and the first four weeks of the comp
Speaker 2: and I just don't think that's a fair assessment. And
Speaker 2: this Australian team that's chosen on the back of this
Speaker 2: Origin Series will be such a stronger side for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should pick our kangaroo site. At some point
Speaker 1: Wade wants to know Newcastle need a new halfback. I
Speaker 1: don't mind Jackson Haysen just when a comp with him.
Speaker 1: There any suggestions on about five of them now, don't
Speaker 1: they castle.
Speaker 2: They've just done They've been unable to lock down their
Speaker 2: half back in a long term mainstay. I don't know
Speaker 2: who it is.
Speaker 1: I think if you've got Jackson now, I think Jackson
Speaker 1: can do a job at seven. I think it's the
Speaker 1: six that becomes. And they haven't had a lot of Ponger, right,
Speaker 1: so if you have a run in one in Ponger,
Speaker 1: a run in six, whoever that may be, Price has
Speaker 1: shown some sort of upside. Tyson Gamble can create off
Speaker 1: the cuff sort of play. You can't have Cogger and
Speaker 1: Hastings right, That combination does not work, okay, But I
Speaker 1: think you can get away with Hastings at seven as
Speaker 1: a control in seven if you have two running six's.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's where I'd be looking at rather than
Speaker 1: trying to find a seven's.
Speaker 2: There's not a stack on the market, that's the problem.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot, you know what.
Speaker 1: Else.
Speaker 3: I like the fact that they've effectively tapped Jay and
Speaker 3: Brayley on on the shoulder because I like Phoenix Crossland,
Speaker 3: who was a halfback gives them a bit more playmaking
Speaker 3: at hooker.
Speaker 1: So I like, actually like that call. But yeah, half
Speaker 1: backs leave jaydenla it means a good fellow. It is. Guys.
Speaker 2: Look, they've got one of the most explosive superstars in
Speaker 2: the game and so whether let's just say for who's
Speaker 2: waiter so Wade, you've got to balance it up. Do
Speaker 2: you want a superstar half and a superstar fullback which
Speaker 2: is going to absolutely impact your salary cap and then
Speaker 2: something else is going to have to give, or do
Speaker 2: you just go with some steady halves that are going
Speaker 2: to set the superstar alight at the back.
Speaker 1: Pascha Balka one of the greats. I wants to know
Speaker 1: there's a Safeti Brothers on their way to a Sydney club.
Speaker 1: Any ideas which one? It won't be the Brothers, it
Speaker 1: would just be at this stage Daniel Dave any mail There.
Speaker 2: Dragons still ongoing negotiations between both the Dragons and Newcastle,
Speaker 2: knowing that Daniel is on contract at Knights next season
Speaker 2: and what the Dragons want is the Newcastle Knights to
Speaker 2: chip in for a large portion of.
Speaker 1: That contract next season.
Speaker 2: At the Dragons, it's now a negotiation of how much
Speaker 2: each club is willing to pay.
Speaker 1: Do you what's your gut there where? Do you think
Speaker 1: he plays next year?
Speaker 2: St George? I think it happens, Absolutely happens. I think
Speaker 2: it'll be a great move for him. I think the
Speaker 2: Knights know that he needs He knows he needs to change.
Speaker 2: The Knights know he needs to change. They'll make it happen.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of how much Saints are willing
Speaker 2: to put in and how much the Knights put in.
Speaker 1: He'll be with the Dragons, all right. Some emails Phil
Speaker 1: Hello from a wet UK. Given their respective rosters and
Speaker 1: preseason aspirations, which club has been the most disappointing this year? Tigers, Eels, Rabbits, Broncos.
Speaker 2: All right, so this is the first week the Broncos
Speaker 2: have ended the discussion. Yeah, because we've always gone down
Speaker 2: these paths and spoken about the Bunnies, the Tigers.
Speaker 1: And the and the Eels. This is the first week
Speaker 1: the Broncos have ended the discs. Tigers and Els in
Speaker 1: my eight So they're not disappointments for mine. Shouse and Brisbane.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you split them. They're both being well,
Speaker 1: let's just see, let's just see how the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks out for the be one of those two
Speaker 1: for mine because I didn't have hopes for Tigers or
Speaker 1: the Eels. Yeah, I think I probably had Brisbane and
Speaker 1: Souse in my top four. Top five I'd say went
Speaker 1: the Bronx preseason favorites.
Speaker 3: Not for mine, but I think with some of the
Speaker 3: betting markets, I think they were just ahead of Pregnant,
Speaker 3: so they'd be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know where I'd probably disappointment. I probably
Speaker 1: had him both of them, I can't remember, but if
Speaker 1: I didn't know in my top four, had of my
Speaker 1: top five, so they're both equally is disappointing, Maddie, what
Speaker 1: about you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, Bonco's by far from I thought they were going
Speaker 3: to win, like they were going to win the camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. So we had an immortals chart last
Speaker 1: week with Buzzen and Reedy. This is from David. He'd
Speaker 1: like to see a more focus on the older players
Speaker 1: like Ron Cook, and then he goes, Cam Smith and
Speaker 1: Darren Locke are young and have time no disrespect to
Speaker 1: their careers. What do you guys think? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair I think because time, you will,
Speaker 2: we will lose track of time in adding a player
Speaker 2: of such significance like Ron Cook and and he's right,
Speaker 2: like Cam Smith, Lockie, we do have time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who do you think should be the next to mortal? Well,
Speaker 1: I would add ron Kot.
Speaker 2: I think he's his achievements are extraordinary and how they
Speaker 2: haven't been recognized, and I know they have been recognized,
Speaker 2: but through immortality, I think he deserves to be there.
Speaker 3: This is really hard for youngish people to answer, because
Speaker 3: I mean I haven't seen you know, my earliest memories
Speaker 3: were Freddie and Brandy and MG and those players. But
Speaker 3: then so Cam Smith, for mine is the best player
Speaker 3: I've ever seen, but like I've never seen ron Coot.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's really hard to I think there
Speaker 1: comes a point in time where we put an end
Speaker 1: point to those guys, yeah, ron Kot, Ken Irvine and
Speaker 1: then even the guys from but who's going to openly
Speaker 1: declare that well it needs to be done. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: needs to be If you're not, this is it? Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, now we're looking at guys like Stirlo
Speaker 1: and Kenny and those guys, and then you know, well
Speaker 1: Brett Kenny deserves to be absolutely in the ski. My
Speaker 1: thing on this is right. Do we all agree Cam
Speaker 1: Smith is an immortal? Yes? Why do we wait? Why
Speaker 1: why do we have to wait? I hate when we
Speaker 1: like when people die or whatever. We twenty years.
Speaker 2: Ago, twenty to thirty, twenty years ago, you could have
Speaker 2: asked the exact same question about wrongkout Well.
Speaker 1: They should have. They should have the point they should
Speaker 1: have been, that's the point.
Speaker 2: So why did they Why have they waited?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like when Maddie said, I don't know
Speaker 1: about wrongkout right, But for mine, Cameron Smith is the
Speaker 1: second best part I've seen. And I said this last week,
Speaker 1: and I've said I've banged on about this in my time.
Speaker 1: I'd induct twomortals, Andrew Johns and camp Smith. No Luckier,
Speaker 1: no Freddy, no Thurston, no Slater, no g I, none
Speaker 1: of those guys from They're the only two. Because I
Speaker 1: want this to be the exclusive of the exclusive, and
Speaker 1: Cameron Smith is an immortal. Get him in there now.
Speaker 1: Do not. And this is no disrespect to guys that
Speaker 1: have gone before. If you want to induct too, that's fine.
Speaker 1: But camp Smith, we all believe he's going to be
Speaker 1: a mortal. Why do we have to wait ten years?
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get it, Like you know, Shane
Speaker 1: wandand we have to clean up the past. And they
Speaker 1: named an mts G Grants down after him? Do it now? Celebrate?
Speaker 1: These people look like they changed the rule for him, right?
Speaker 2: I did, like Smith, I did like our Dave thirsty
Speaker 2: Morow got his recognition.
Speaker 1: What do we do, Like, let's not waste time because
Speaker 1: we don't know what's to come, like if something that's
Speaker 1: a bit more bit more, if something happens to one
Speaker 1: of these players, they'll fast tracker. What Dave fast tracker?
Speaker 1: Do it? Now? You know Mark wants to know? And
Speaker 1: this was sent before last night's game, and it's a
Speaker 1: bit negative Mark, and I said that to him, do
Speaker 1: you think law law? I realized that this is probably
Speaker 1: his last game of Origin with him joining the West
Speaker 1: Tigers next year. I believe repforty is finished. Do you agree?
Speaker 1: I do not agree. I don't agree, but I don't
Speaker 1: I don't mind. I got the premise of it, and
Speaker 1: get the point.
Speaker 2: Now we've seen what happens to happen to Appy chorus
Speaker 2: Our's Origin career. Yeah, I'm not saying like he's been phenomenal, right,
Speaker 2: and you know he only needs to show glimpse of
Speaker 2: his glimpses of form next year to be right back
Speaker 2: in the Blues frame.
Speaker 1: Has Mark watched Jerome play? I think I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think Jerome thinks that his cruiser, his.
Speaker 3: Origin cruise over by. I reckon he'll be Jerome thinks
Speaker 3: will be there the next ten years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It probably comes back to your original point about Madge
Speaker 2: having the players available that he originally wanted to pick.
Speaker 1: Which would not have been Jerome LEWI suggest to you,
Speaker 1: I dare say the hardest combination of being clearing Moses.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I reckon it would have been Leuian
Speaker 1: and Cleary. I reckon if we went back before Origin started,
Speaker 1: I reckon Madge had in his mind around a month
Speaker 1: in or whatever the case may about Moses clearing match up.
Speaker 1: Whether the styles I think like, I honestly think that's
Speaker 1: who he would if everything was equal, they were minded
Speaker 1: who he would have picked. But they are two right foots.
Speaker 1: But this Jerome's been outstanding, He's been sensational. He deserves obviously,
Speaker 1: he deserves his spot and naturally it is harder to
Speaker 1: retain your spot. But I say this to Mark.
Speaker 2: If Jerome does play for New South Wales and win
Speaker 2: the series, then his status in my eyes goes to
Speaker 2: another level because I I know that the West Tigers
Speaker 2: they're still going to be.
Speaker 1: Battling next year. Imagine he gets him into the top eight.
Speaker 1: On the flip side is if he gets them into
Speaker 1: the top eight around Origin and guarantee, he's guaranteed it
Speaker 1: can work by my old Nathan out. Imagine that Daniel
Speaker 1: wants to know how hard are the Storm going for Stefano.
Speaker 2: You took him, they've met him and they're trying to
Speaker 2: will him down to the Melbourne Storm. This is going
Speaker 2: to be really interesting because I don't think Stefano received
Speaker 2: the amount of interest that he may have thought he
Speaker 2: would receive. The Raiders and Saint Georgia law where I
Speaker 2: had a nibble before pulling out, and it's the Storm. Look,
Speaker 2: that's on the premise that Stefano wants to go to
Speaker 2: a successful organization.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, they are.
Speaker 2: The biggest, biggest ticket as far as being in the race.
Speaker 1: But it's with the Dolphins on Saturday Sunday over the
Speaker 1: weekend flew to there.
Speaker 2: But they haven't got that proven success yet. Me and
Speaker 2: so Melbourne have appealed, but the big catch there is
Speaker 2: moving his young family to Melbourne.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins are really interesting.
Speaker 2: I would find that hugely appealing, you know, given the
Speaker 2: trajectory that they are on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the players that they've already added and Finny.
Speaker 2: For my guts, my gut feel look, without saying anything's
Speaker 2: done or anything like that, I just feel as the
Speaker 2: Tigers aren't out of this race to keep Stefano for
Speaker 2: another twelve months before then putting himself back on the
Speaker 2: open market when clubs have created space for twenty six.
Speaker 1: Do you do that? If you do, you have to
Speaker 1: put him in a holding pattern and go, well, okay,
Speaker 1: well it can work two ways, right, Well, we'll prove
Speaker 1: ourselves to you that with your own came into river
Speaker 1: Camp twelve miles of Benji, that you want to be
Speaker 1: here long term. They back themselves to do that, that's
Speaker 1: the positive side of it, or they going, well, mate,
Speaker 1: he's just staying here until he gets a better offer
Speaker 1: hasn't come yet.
Speaker 2: I think it's a business and you've got to realize, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to realize that that's probably the case the ladder,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, we'll have a pretty good
Speaker 2: play for the next twelve months.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's a I haven't thought about the twelve
Speaker 1: month deal, but that is an interesting proposition for the
Speaker 1: Tigers to if they would consider it. I'm not sure. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what options do the Tigers have otherwise? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's not like they get rid of Stevanna when suddenly
Speaker 2: they can go and buy.
Speaker 1: A Nelson is who they were looking at, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: if they get that done, then.
Speaker 3: He'd also be betting on himself though if he if
Speaker 3: he takes the one, you do it, yeah, Tigers, he can.
Speaker 3: Then he's got twelve months to up his up his
Speaker 3: value and they get longer deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I just wonder if the Tigers come at that,
Speaker 1: if it's the best deal for the Tigers, is what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say here. Knowing that a guy that
Speaker 1: he's not sure, Look, you don't blame him, right, they
Speaker 1: haven't been great, so I would find it very intriguing
Speaker 1: and how they'd sell that. The Tigers would sell that,
Speaker 1: that twelve month deal, So that's interesting. Dave so obviously
Speaker 1: we end this segment with dinner. Maddie, what's on the
Speaker 1: menu tonight? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I think a good bit of an early monk
Speaker 3: today after origin last night early Mark?
Speaker 1: What's that? What is that? Good to know? I'm cooking.
Speaker 1: I've been learning.
Speaker 3: I've been on a roll recently with some traditional dishes
Speaker 3: of Filipino dishes, and I've worked at the recently learned
Speaker 3: a like a coconut type prawn curry.
Speaker 1: I've been working through. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good weather
Speaker 1: for it? Nice? What's on the red? You know what's
Speaker 1: those days are?
Speaker 2: And it's under fifteen's there last our footy training, So
Speaker 2: it's always difficult to organize dinner, so it is it
Speaker 2: will be a smash grab job tonight. Potentially hamburgers, hamburgers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, but I may go not not mince Paddy.
Speaker 1: I might go.
Speaker 2: And it sort of morphs into a steak sandwich here,
Speaker 2: but I might actually go the minute steak style me.
Speaker 1: Okay, but call it a hamburg make it a hamburger,
Speaker 1: because steak sandwich is much similar. It's only got bread
Speaker 1: and onion. Okay, if you want on it, we're hamburger.
Speaker 2: You can add the steak with the works, Yes, steaks works,
Speaker 2: Burger special sauced.
Speaker 1: Yes. Where are lamb cutlets in our household tonight? So
Speaker 1: that's what's on the menu at ours. What did you
Speaker 1: do for origin night? I had takeaway? This is local chicken,
Speaker 1: local chicken, a chicken shop. You love that chicken sho
Speaker 1: the chicken shop. It's very very good. So I do
Speaker 1: that because I couldn't. It's our household is a bit chaotic, right,
Speaker 1: two kids under two, so it's a bit of madness.
Speaker 1: And I said to Clarm my wife. I was like, look,
Speaker 1: I don't I usually do the dishes and stuff. I said, look,
Speaker 1: no dishes tonight. Let's do takeaway because You've got to
Speaker 1: try and put the kids down while I'm try and work.
Speaker 1: So but we got through it. Kids very well, both
Speaker 1: asleep before kickoff. That's the dream. Well the Blues have
Speaker 1: a Blues Dave enjoyed Paris. Oh yeah, we we we
Speaker 1: calculated a few weeks. Look after radio, looking after your
Speaker 1: grandsa it is try doing a collar with him? All right, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Next week, despite the Olympics starting,
Speaker 1: we'll still be back here and holding the foot