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Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday, July twenty eight, twenty twenty five. Anthony Albanizi

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Speaker 1: says he'll stand firm on banning social media for under sixteens.

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Speaker 1: That s as Google threatens to sue the federal government

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Speaker 1: if they don't exclude YouTube from the ban. The only

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Speaker 1: recorded police interview with the estranged husband of missing woman

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Speaker 1: Bromwyn Winfield could be inadmissible in any future criminal proceeding.

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Speaker 1: That's because John Winfield wasn't properly cautioned. That's a revelation

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Speaker 1: in a new episode of our blockbuster true crime investigation

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Speaker 1: Bromwyn John Winfield denies any wrongdoing. You can hear it

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Speaker 1: now at bromwinpodcast dot com. Broadcaster Alan Jones had immense

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Speaker 1: wealth and cultivated a network of prom and athletes, celebrities

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Speaker 1: and journalists, and now police investigating alleged offending by Jones

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Speaker 1: have seized his secret loan book featuring many of those names.

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Speaker 1: Jones denies any wrongdoing. Today The Australian's Steve Jackson on

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Speaker 1: breaking the story. Alan Jones once rode the airwaves like

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Speaker 1: a king sailing into battle every day the breakfast radio

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Speaker 1: host was at war with someone.

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Speaker 2: The woman's off her tree and quite frankly, they should

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Speaker 2: shove her and Bob Brown in a chaff back and

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Speaker 2: take them as far out to see as they can.

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Speaker 3: She's a clown, just Indrida in a complete clown. I

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Speaker 3: just wonder whether Scott Morrison's going to be fully brief

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Speaker 3: to shove a sock down the throat.

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Speaker 2: What about this brain dead Sarah Hansoon young wear with

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Speaker 2: dope clover or New Zealand Prime.

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Speaker 3: Minister Justina dern is challenging Scott Morrison over climate change. Now,

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Speaker 3: I hope Scott Morrison gets tough here with a few backhanders.

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Speaker 1: He had another mode too, sharing warm exchanges with his

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Speaker 1: talkback callers, rhapsodizing about music or heaping praise on the politicians,

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Speaker 1: business people or athletes he liked.

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Speaker 3: Who could forget the young man born in Perth, John Stephenson.

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Speaker 3: He won silver to two thousand and four Olympics in

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Speaker 3: League twin Great Ian Thorpe Ian Good morning, good morning,

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Speaker 3: how are you Allen? Lovely lovely to talk to you, Grant,

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Speaker 3: congratulations all you've done and you're an inspiration to every

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Speaker 3: young person. That's Alex Wilkinson, the captain of Sydney FC.

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Speaker 3: They've broken every football record in the book. Thanks Haman,

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Speaker 3: and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Jones was connected like nobody else from his earliest days

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Speaker 1: as a school teacher, then a coach at elite boys' schools.

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Speaker 1: He rose to become coach of the Wallabies and made

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Speaker 1: numerous unsuccessful attempts to stand for politics with the Liberal

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Speaker 1: and Country Party. He owned shares in race horses and businesses.

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Speaker 1: Jones was wealthy not just from his multimillion dollar radio salary,

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Speaker 1: but from the deals with corporate sponsors that in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nine were found by the broadcasting regulator to have

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Speaker 1: misled listeners. It was a huge scandal in radio. Jones

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Speaker 1: and fellow two UI broadcaster John Laws had individual deals

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Speaker 1: with sponsors like Optus and Quantus, in return for which

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Speaker 1: the pair plugged the businesses on air. Jones was publicly humiliated,

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Speaker 1: and although he never admitted wrongdoing, he later claimed he'd

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Speaker 1: stopped taking personal endorsements. But it was money in the

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Speaker 1: end that pulled Jones off the radio waves. Those comments

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Speaker 1: you heard about shoving a sock down the throat of

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda r Dern in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: resulted in sponsors pulling their money from his two GB

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Speaker 1: breakfast show. Many never returned, and by twenty twenty Jones's

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Speaker 1: radio career was over. And now money's back at the

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Speaker 1: center of a big story about Alan Jones, this time

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Speaker 1: in a very different context.

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Speaker 4: Today we're revealing that police have sees to secret dossier

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Speaker 4: from Alan jones multimillion dollar harborside house.

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Speaker 1: Steve Jackson is the Australian's media diarist and he's breaking

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Speaker 1: a big story in his column today.

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Speaker 4: The document in question details all the personal financial dealings

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Speaker 4: he had with a whole range of people. We're talking

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Speaker 4: the biggest names across sport, media, business, racing in the country.

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Speaker 4: These are people who were personal friends of Alan Jones

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Speaker 4: or trusted acquaintances, and he often gave them interest free

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Speaker 4: loans to help them out in their time of need.

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Speaker 4: While they were interest free loans, they weren't free money.

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Speaker 4: So what he's done is he has kept meticulous, detailed

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Speaker 4: records of every transaction he's ever made. So you've received

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Speaker 4: a check from Alan Jones at any point in your life,

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Speaker 4: you're on this list, your name, your details, how much

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Speaker 4: he lent you, and whether you ever repaid him.

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Speaker 1: In November twenty twenty four, Jones was charged with dozens

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Speaker 1: of offenses, including aggravated indecent assault, assault with active indecency,

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Speaker 1: sexual touching, and common assault. Additional charges were aid earlier

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Speaker 1: this year, and there are now ten alleged victims, including

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Speaker 1: one aged seventeen at the time of the alleged defending Jones,

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Speaker 1: who denies all the allegations, is now eighty four. What

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Speaker 1: do we know about who these people are that Alan

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Speaker 1: Jones was allegedly lending money to.

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Speaker 4: Look I've been provided with a list of names of

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Speaker 4: people who are allegedly on the list. At this stage,

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Speaker 4: I've kept a lot of those details confidential because at

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Speaker 4: the authorities. But one of the names we do know

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Speaker 4: that features on it is Carl Stefanovic, who's long been

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Speaker 4: a friend of Allan Jones. Jones welcomed him to Sydney

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Speaker 4: and was a very strong influence on him in his

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Speaker 4: early years and gave him a six figure interest free

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Speaker 4: loan so he could afford to put a deposit on

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Speaker 4: Queensan more than two decades ago. So that's one of

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Speaker 4: the names that we can reveal is definitely on the list.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it was clear to all the recipients

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Speaker 1: of this money that Alan Jones thought that these were loans?

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Speaker 4: My understanding is that Jones certainly thought they were loans.

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Speaker 4: He got the more documented registered with his accountant. A

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Speaker 4: lot of the people, though it turns out, who featured

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Speaker 4: on the list, didn't seem to think it was such

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Speaker 4: a hard and fast loan, whether they thought that Allan

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Speaker 4: had plenty of money or for whatever reason, many of

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Speaker 4: these loans were not repaid to him.

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Speaker 1: Alan Jones talked a lot over the years about his

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Speaker 1: own journey from relative poverty growing up on a dairy

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Speaker 1: farm in country Queensland to being a very wealthy man.

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Speaker 1: He had an apartment in the toaster, he had a butler,

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Speaker 1: famously had a chauffeur, and he never made a secret

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Speaker 1: incumbent on people who had been successful in life to

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Speaker 1: share their fortune literally and figuratively, and in his case

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Speaker 1: that meant literally. He often helped out people by talking

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Speaker 3: I came from Struggle Street. You see, democracy is a

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Speaker 3: great idea, but it doesn't always work. I mean, people

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Speaker 3: basically feel that they're only ever wanted a week before

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised by the extent of his alleged financial

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Speaker 4: Not really, because we've heard about how generous he is

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Speaker 4: and how gregarious he is. Jones is someone who has

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Speaker 4: quite a solitary lifestyle. He was earning millions of dollars

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Speaker 4: he liked to look after them. My sources of Tommy.

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Speaker 4: He's also a little bit of a sucker for a

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Speaker 4: he could. There's no suggestion at all that there are

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Speaker 4: any sinister strings attached to this money. That's definitely not

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Speaker 4: the case. But he was a big private lander, probably

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Speaker 4: one of the most personal ones. If you're in his camp,

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Speaker 4: if you'd liked you on, you're on inside. He's more

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Speaker 4: than happy to help out with a loan. The operative

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Speaker 1: A network of the kind that Alan Jones has is

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Speaker 1: for the purpose of him handing out his own patronage,

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Speaker 1: but presumably he also would have expected something in return.

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Speaker 4: You're right, claid, because we've seen through a number of

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Speaker 4: controversies that he expected that the people that he drew

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Speaker 3: That's the lesson to learn share, be out there to

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Speaker 3: give something back, and it's a privilege if you can.

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Speaker 3: Most people would feel that they'd like to be able

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Speaker 4: Jones. For much of his career, his well known motto

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Speaker 4: heard about this document is that he now feels that

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Speaker 4: So whether or not he now feels the temptation to

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Speaker 4: call in those debts, only time will tell.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, will we ever see another Alan Jones again?

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Speaker 1: Jacko Alan Jones disappeared from the radio airwaves in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: He had a short lived time on Sky News that

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Speaker 1: didn't last. Why did his career end so sort of

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Speaker 4: It's funny that you ares that, Claire, because I initially

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Speaker 4: there were ramifications for that, and advertisers were fleeing amidst

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Speaker 4: ensuing moves after that just showed that he had a

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Speaker 4: he's had his venture with the Strand Digital Holdings, but

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Speaker 4: really he's retreated into his house. He's only been seen

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Speaker 4: sort of reckoning where a lot of the behavior and actions,

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Speaker 4: particularly of big name stars that were questionable and covered

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Speaker 1: We could argue about whether Alan Jones ever shifted any votes,

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Speaker 1: but he was certainly someone who politicians felt that they

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Speaker 1: had to court. You know, you had to go on

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Speaker 1: Alan Jones if he invited you. Is there anyone like

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Speaker 1: that in media now, maybe, apart from Kyle and Jackie

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Speaker 4: I think when you're looking at the height of Alan

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Speaker 4: jones power, we're looking at the mirror really in the

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Speaker 4: infancy of the Internet, where people did turn to the radio,

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Speaker 4: telling you what he thought and people listened, and I

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Speaker 4: think in that era he did make a big difference.

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Speaker 4: These days, there's so many options, as you know, you

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Speaker 4: can read The Australian twenty four to seven online, the

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Speaker 4: Latest News and other mass heads as well. It's not

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Speaker 4: just radio that has that. There's no monopoly on having

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Speaker 4: But in his time he was truly powerful. Whether or

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Speaker 4: not anyone has that sort of power now, I'd severely

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Speaker 4: doubt it.

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Speaker 1: Steve Jackson edits The Media Diary in The Australian every Monday.

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Speaker 1: You can check it out at the Australian dot com

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