Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching.
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Speaker 1: In a moment's time here on for my life.
Speaker 2: But first, you know how it feels like every second
Speaker 2: day there's some sort of a protest that's happening somewhere.
Speaker 2: Most of them normal people aren't really part of some
Speaker 2: we really like because they're on some of the issues
Speaker 2: that we like. But it does feel like more people
Speaker 2: take to the streets than ever before. Certainly when it
Speaker 2: comes to social media, there's a lot more activism than
Speaker 2: ever before. But I wanted to talk about how not
Speaker 2: all people power is considered the same.
Speaker 1: For example, should you.
Speaker 2: Be allowed to completely shut down one of the biggest
Speaker 2: parts of the traffic network over Capital City to make
Speaker 2: a point, even if the point is about the very
Speaker 2: bridge that you're going to be protesting on. There is
Speaker 2: a group that is planning to essentially slow down traffic
Speaker 2: later this week across the Story Bridge to make a
Speaker 2: point that pedestrians and people on cyclists should have more
Speaker 2: access to the Story Bridge while the pedestrian parts of
Speaker 2: the bridge are currently being fixed up. It's a group
Speaker 2: called Space for Cycling in Brisbane. But today in the
Speaker 2: Courier Mail it is understood that the demonstrators are marching
Speaker 2: to demand that the Brisbane City Council allocate one car
Speaker 2: lane to pedestrian, cyclists and scooter traffic, following the closers
Speaker 2: of the footpaths on either side of the bridge, which
Speaker 2: took place in March. According to the organizers of the protest,
Speaker 2: demonstrators will stop car traffic on the bridge and use
Speaker 2: all SIKHS lanes to safely walk across.
Speaker 1: Now, this is not.
Speaker 2: An extinction rebellion thing. It is about people who believe
Speaker 2: that the Story Bridge, not just an iconic part of Brisbane,
Speaker 2: but a pretty significant way that you can get from
Speaker 2: one side of the river to the other, should have
Speaker 2: greater access for people who are not in a car,
Speaker 2: because previously you've been able to ride a bike or
Speaker 2: walk across on things that are now currently being closed.
Speaker 2: But is it okay even if that's the point you're
Speaker 2: making to shut down the entire thing. Here's one of
Speaker 2: the protesters talking about why they're planning to do it,
Speaker 2: talking to foll We see this afternoon.
Speaker 3: So what we're asking for is that one of the
Speaker 3: car lanes should be shut and barriers put up so
Speaker 3: that people can walk and cycle safely across.
Speaker 2: We're hoping for a.
Speaker 3: Couple of hundred people to turn up. We recognize that
Speaker 3: there will be inconvenience, We recognize that they will be delayed,
Speaker 3: But the point of the protest is to point out
Speaker 3: that thousands of people have had their travel delayed, and
Speaker 3: thousands of people have been inconvenienced, and thousands of people
Speaker 3: safety has been put at risk every single day since
Speaker 3: the fifth of March when the footpaths were closed.
Speaker 2: But why were the footparts closed? Well, of course they
Speaker 2: were closed because there is some concern about the safety
Speaker 2: of said footparts. Why am I talking about a national
Speaker 2: show a footpath in one city that you may or
Speaker 2: may not be watching us from right now, Because the
Speaker 2: reality is that people responding to the decision of the
Speaker 2: Brisbane City Council to shut those things are now going
Speaker 2: to respond by shutting down effectively this entire bridge. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, people who don't have fair warning of this,
Speaker 2: they're going to get caught up in the traffic, and
Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of reasons why you're in the
Speaker 2: car needing to get from A to b. A to
Speaker 2: B may be from work to home, home to work,
Speaker 2: but it also could be from home to hospital. It
Speaker 2: may be from work to picking up kids. There's a
Speaker 2: reason that bridge needs to stay open. But for some reason,
Speaker 2: the protest has had all the paperwork filled out and
Speaker 2: is completely okay. That level of disruption has been approved
Speaker 2: by the authorities in Queensland. That of course means that
Speaker 2: much of the media will cover it and there won't
Speaker 2: be much cover about the people who are inconvenienced by it.
Speaker 2: But I also want to talk about another version of
Speaker 2: people power and how the media responds to that. Back
Speaker 2: when the Labor Party was the party in charge of
Speaker 2: the Queensland State government, they loved setting a very high
Speaker 2: renewable energy target because it was a way of giving
Speaker 2: the middle finger to the Libs who were in Canberra,
Speaker 2: and they even went as far as making stupid announcements
Speaker 2: that building thousands of wind farms.
Speaker 1: Would end up being tourist attractions.
Speaker 4: You can look at the scale, have a look Brandon,
Speaker 4: turn around and look up. These are huge and honestly,
Speaker 4: I think we should have viewing platforms for families to
Speaker 4: come out here and actually see what is in their
Speaker 4: own backyard.
Speaker 1: What an exciting thing. Hey, kids, get in the car.
Speaker 1: What are we doing Dad?
Speaker 2: We're going to the wind farm. But such was the
Speaker 2: way these things were being sold. But of course, as
Speaker 2: we know, when it comes this type of development that
Speaker 2: is happening all over Australia, the state governments are not
Speaker 2: just announcing this stuff, but in places like Victoria, they're
Speaker 2: changing the law. So the locals who would be impacted
Speaker 2: by this stuff have very little capacity to complain or
Speaker 2: they complain and essentially it's just filed in the two
Speaker 2: hard basket or the computer automatically says no.
Speaker 1: Well there.
Speaker 2: Of course, has been a change of government in Queensland,
Speaker 2: one that has maintained high targets when it comes to
Speaker 2: carbon reduction, but also believes that the same attitude that
Speaker 2: people would have in the city to say a unit
Speaker 2: block being put up next door, that they have just
Speaker 2: as much say about whether there should be a valley
Speaker 2: full of wind turbines.
Speaker 1: The Moonlight Range.
Speaker 2: Project is one that apparently was going to cost about
Speaker 2: a billion dollars, but it was going to have one
Speaker 2: or two or quite a few of these wind farms. Now,
Speaker 2: whether you like them or not, it can't be denied
Speaker 2: that essentially we're disrupting the earth the land to save
Speaker 2: the atmosphere. And then of course there's all the questions
Speaker 2: about what happens when it doesn't win and doesn't shine
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Well, what was the.
Speaker 2: Media reaction to the decision to shut this down in
Speaker 2: the Turbal Times fears that Queensland is closed for clean
Speaker 2: business as LNP councils billion dollar wind farn despite conditional approval.
Speaker 2: I think the word conditional sort of makes the outrage
Speaker 2: go to one side. The Courier Male talks here about
Speaker 2: the one billion dollar range that had been shut down
Speaker 2: by the Labor Party. That's a straight reporting of the story.
Speaker 2: But industry news websites say industry slams the acting of
Speaker 2: one billion dollar wind farm as highly political as doubts
Speaker 2: are raised over objections. Well, interestingly, the reason why this
Speaker 2: project is not going ahead is because of people power.
Speaker 1: The same people.
Speaker 2: Power that can bring the center of Brisbane to a standstill.
Speaker 2: Completely Okay, but if it stands in the way of
Speaker 2: what others demand that they wouldn't have in their own backyard,
Speaker 2: but you must have it in your backyard, then the
Speaker 2: state is closed for business. And this wasn't just a
Speaker 2: random decision by a bunch of politicians appealing to the
Speaker 2: far right. It's politicians giving locals the opportunity to say, hey,
Speaker 2: what do you think, and the extreme majority of those
Speaker 2: said no. This was the statement which came out from
Speaker 2: the Deputy Premier Jared Bly in Queensland yesterday. It says
Speaker 2: the project included plans for up to eighty eight wind turbines,
Speaker 2: a battery, energy storage system and related infrastructure covering one
Speaker 2: thousand and two one hundred hectares. In total, four hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty four hectares of vegetation would need to be cleared.
Speaker 2: The assessment considered significant feedback from local residents and stakeholders,
Speaker 2: as well as the impacts on the local infrastructure and
Speaker 2: services and housing. Five hundred and fifty people and anyone
Speaker 2: in the state had the opportunity to turn around and
Speaker 2: write to this committee and say hey, we.
Speaker 1: Love it, please have it. But guess what.
Speaker 2: Eighty five percent of the feedback that the Queensland Government wanted.
Speaker 2: Of God was four hundred and seventy three or five
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty who said no, don't do it. Whole
Speaker 2: bunch of reasons, and yes, some may be very petty
Speaker 2: all the way through to environmental, but the very least
Speaker 2: is people power. It's okay on the story Bridge, but
Speaker 2: it's not okay in parts of regional Queensland. It found
Speaker 2: that the proposal did not meet the requirements of the
Speaker 2: govern's new planning laws, which ensure renewable energy projects are
Speaker 2: assessed by the same rigorous approval processes as other major
Speaker 2: resource developments. Here's a bit more of the Queensland Deputy
Speaker 2: Premiere explaining how people power changed the decision, as opposed
Speaker 2: to you're going to get it, but you can go
Speaker 2: and look at it with the kids on the weekend,
Speaker 2: which was the approach of the previous Labor government.
Speaker 5: These things have been popping up all throughout regional and
Speaker 5: rural Queensland without any community consultation, and we made an
Speaker 5: election commitment we would change laws, make the laws impact accessible.
Speaker 2: So perfect example right now, Obviously a one afternoon protest
Speaker 2: on the story Bridge is not as impactful as building
Speaker 2: or not building permanent infrastructure. But no, you love the
Speaker 2: way the media.
Speaker 1: Does these things.
Speaker 2: I mean, remember those people who glue their hands to
Speaker 2: the streets, like those extinction rebellion. They have judges that
Speaker 2: turn around and say, well, because of the importance of
Speaker 2: the cause to you, no criminal sanction. Even people who
Speaker 2: are sent to jail for disrupting major thoroughfairs like the
Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor Bridge are able to successfully argue that the
Speaker 2: law shouldn't apply to them because of the trauma that
Speaker 2: they have felt, not living but knowing about previous natural disasters.
Speaker 2: Don't you love how people power is very selectively used here?
Speaker 2: Now my argument is just because there's a protest, should
Speaker 2: there be a decision that the pro just want, Well,
Speaker 2: that would be chaos.
Speaker 1: But that's not what happened here.
Speaker 2: They let everyone have a say and eighty five percent
Speaker 2: of people said no. Last time I saw that it
Speaker 2: was a democracy and not just something like what we
Speaker 2: had at the federal election, where a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff is thrown in and then a result goes one
Speaker 2: way or the other and whoever is the winner gets
Speaker 2: to say, well, everything we stood for everyone loves take
Speaker 2: it or.
Speaker 1: Leave it now Waisi.
Speaker 2: You know, Australia is getting bigger by the day, and
Speaker 2: I don't just mean around our wastes, myself included, But
Speaker 2: of course we are a growing population currently twenty seven
Speaker 2: point three midian people. At the last census, it was
Speaker 2: twenty five million. Ten years before that, it was twenty
Speaker 2: one million. Ten years before that it was eighteen million.
Speaker 2: And for those that were around in nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: myself included heading off to high school, I was in
Speaker 2: that particularly year. You can see that the country has
Speaker 2: grown by eleven million people in the part of thirty years.
Speaker 2: That is eleven million more mouths to feed, people to
Speaker 2: find housing for infrastructure. But because it's a couple of
Speaker 2: hundred thousand here and a couple hundred thousand there, But
Speaker 2: when you actually look at that huge increase in our
Speaker 2: population in a period of time that most people watching
Speaker 2: this show certainly we're living and certainly in the prime
Speaker 2: of their life for from nineteen ninety one to twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, sixteen point eight to twenty seven point three million,
Speaker 2: and Australia is set to grow because of course, businesses
Speaker 2: want more customers, the federal government wants more people, to
Speaker 2: be in the country, so they end up becoming more taxpayers,
Speaker 2: which means we get to a scenario where potentially, depending
Speaker 2: on how much immigration, whether it is at low, medium,
Speaker 2: or high levels, will be anywhere in twenty seventy one
Speaker 2: between thirty four million people nineteen ninety one, sixteen million
Speaker 2: people or forty five million people almost forty six million people. Well,
Speaker 2: what of course makes the Ponzi scheme of endless population
Speaker 2: growth and if it doesn't happen naturally then you import
Speaker 2: more people to the queue, is that everyone gets older,
Speaker 2: Everyone at some point in time gets sicker, and everyone
Speaker 2: needs to be taken care of. And if there are
Speaker 2: five million people who need a hospital now, it'll eventually
Speaker 2: become seven and then ten and then fifteen. And to
Speaker 2: pay for it, you need to make sure that there's seven,
Speaker 2: ten or fifteen million people a full working age. You
Speaker 2: are not going to need things like the healthcare system.
Speaker 2: So today I was very interested to see some numbers
Speaker 2: come out from the Australian Bureau of Statistics and it
Speaker 2: talks about just how many Australians have got a chronic
Speaker 2: illness right now, One in fifteen six percent of adults
Speaker 2: have diabetes one in seven adults have indicators of chronic
Speaker 2: kidney disease. That's currently fourteen percent. It was ten percent
Speaker 2: ten years ago, so more people are now having indicators
Speaker 2: of chronic kidney disease. Thirty percent of people have abnormally
Speaker 2: high cholesterol levels guilty one in five or twenty percent
Speaker 2: of adults have a vitamin D deficiency. This is slightly
Speaker 2: down from where we were ten.
Speaker 1: Years ago, but you get my point.
Speaker 2: Now we think about more population as being exclusively something
Speaker 2: about roads or rail or places to live. But of course,
Speaker 2: at some point in time, really little people need to
Speaker 2: go to school, people of a particular age need to
Speaker 2: go into some sort of care. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of compromises in the middle. But the more people.
Speaker 1: You add to the queue, the bigger all.
Speaker 2: Of these problems become. And a frightening example of what
Speaker 2: I have talked about for years, And I don't care
Speaker 2: what any election result tells us for the next one
Speaker 2: hundred years. I stand by this point, which is, currently
Speaker 2: we don't have enough money to pay for everything that
Speaker 2: is demanded of the federal, state and local governments. In fact,
Speaker 2: this chart I've shown you how many times, is how
Speaker 2: many budget deficits there will be between now and twenty
Speaker 2: sixty three. There is not one surplus into a realistic future.
Speaker 2: This government went into an election promising not just one
Speaker 2: point two trillion dollars worth a debt, but.
Speaker 1: No budget surplaces for the next ten years.
Speaker 2: But when you start to look at a population that
Speaker 2: goes from the nineteen nineties at sixteen million to the
Speaker 2: twenty seventies at forty five million, you've got to build
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. That's a lot of houses, a
Speaker 2: lot of homes, a lot of units, a lot of schools,
Speaker 2: a lot of disability care centers, a lot more than
Speaker 2: just a rebadging of your local medical center as an
Speaker 2: urgent care clinic, a lot more hospitals, even a lot
Speaker 2: more graveyards. The reality is is that this is where
Speaker 2: the rubber hits the road in a conversation about population.
Speaker 2: One thing that was despicable about the federal election just
Speaker 2: gone was that any conversation about the number of people
Speaker 2: that you add to the queue was somehow a racist
Speaker 2: attack on people who have come to the country through
Speaker 2: legitimate and legal processes over the past two, five, ten,
Speaker 2: fifteen years. It's real low rent politics, but The reality
Speaker 2: is whether you were lucky enough to be born here
Speaker 2: decades ago, or you're somebody that will join the greatest
Speaker 2: club in the world Australia in the next ten years.
Speaker 2: The more people, the more need for infrastructure. The more
Speaker 2: need for infrastructure, the higher the spending of federal, state
Speaker 2: and local government. And as that graphic shows you, there
Speaker 2: is not enough money for that infrastructure. So you would
Speaker 2: think someone somewhere wants to tap the brakes. Not because
Speaker 2: anyone's being racist, doesn't like the person and the look
Speaker 2: of them on the other side of the street, or
Speaker 2: the languages that they speak at home. That's all rubbish.
Speaker 2: It's because we know that the country that even all
Speaker 2: of its troubles in twenty twenty five, will be considered
Speaker 2: the golden years in twenty five years time, when our
Speaker 2: population surges past thirty and starts to make its way
Speaker 2: towards forty million people, it really matters whether a government
Speaker 2: can balance the books or not, because right now, after
Speaker 2: all of the ups and downs of this country in
Speaker 2: its modern form, it's one point two trillion dollars dead.
Speaker 2: Every single one of those bars that shows a deficit
Speaker 2: is added on top, on top, on top, one point
Speaker 2: two becomes one point five, becomes one point seven, becomes two,
Speaker 2: becomes two point five.
Speaker 1: And as I've shown you.
Speaker 2: Before in places like Victoria, where they have this idea
Speaker 2: that in order to pump prime the politics, you just
Speaker 2: keep making the spending promises. The electorate then starts demanding
Speaker 2: the promises. Whether you have the capacity to pay it
Speaker 2: or not doesn't matter. And it goes from servicing the
Speaker 2: debt of all of the money of all of the
Speaker 2: taxpayers goes from something in the top twenty of the
Speaker 2: spending priorities, to the top fifteen to the top ten,
Speaker 2: to in the case of Victoria, of all of the things, education, transport,
Speaker 2: all the rest of it, in the top five of
Speaker 2: things that need to be serviced when it comes to
Speaker 2: debt in the future years is the ten billion dollars
Speaker 2: we needs to be paid off debt as interest. That
Speaker 2: will be the case in the federal budget, regardless of
Speaker 2: whom is the treasurer in two years, in five years,
Speaker 2: in ten years. And I stand by that this is
Speaker 2: a rich melting pot with lots of people from lots
Speaker 2: of places, and that makes us a better country.
Speaker 1: But the idea of how big.
Speaker 2: The pot can possibly be with how many people in
Speaker 2: it is going to create its own troubles, And there's
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with talking about it because I will keep
Speaker 2: showing the evidence that, as it shows today, we get older,
Speaker 2: we get sicker, more need for public investment, but the
Speaker 2: credit card is already maxed out and they're already borrowing
Speaker 2: one point.
Speaker 1: Two trillion dollars from the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: One of the things that was an absolute slam dunk
Speaker 2: of the Labor Party during the election was had good
Speaker 2: they were on social media and how bad the Liberals
Speaker 2: were on social media.
Speaker 1: We all know the.
Speaker 2: Garbage that was said over and over again as Anthony
Speaker 2: Albanezi was playing the greatest hits of scare campaigns of
Speaker 2: many a Labor leader, and all of it worked and
Speaker 2: he got as many seats as John Howard.
Speaker 1: So who am I to complaint?
Speaker 6: Fifty billion dollars ripped out of health, thirty billion dollars
Speaker 6: ripped out of educations, ripping fifty billion dollars out of health,
Speaker 6: thirty billion dollars out of education, ripping money out of
Speaker 6: the ABC, fifty billion dollars of cuts to health, thirty
Speaker 6: billion dollars of cuts to schools.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's rubbish, it's a lie. It's not true.
Speaker 2: Every government, regardless of what color they were, has spent
Speaker 2: dollar for dollar more on health and education every single year.
Speaker 2: Because see the last comments that I just made. But
Speaker 2: one of the land mines that were left by the
Speaker 2: Labor Party as they were going through the rud Gillard
Speaker 2: rud years was that they would have big ideas like
Speaker 2: the National Disability Insurance Scheme. They'd pretend that it only
Speaker 2: cost a couple of billion dollars, but the reality was
Speaker 2: the actual cost of it.
Speaker 1: Blows out the longer that it exists.
Speaker 2: The same people who made massive announcements about funding would
Speaker 2: then turn around and just put into the future tens
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars more. There was a government that
Speaker 2: comes in doesn't deliver the former government's promises, they get
Speaker 2: to say cut, cut, cut.
Speaker 1: And around and around and around we go.
Speaker 2: And politicians who are never called out by the media
Speaker 2: for this will they just keep on doing it. And
Speaker 2: politicians who are rewarded by the electorate will just keep
Speaker 2: on doing this. And increasingly governments are immoimmune to those
Speaker 2: of us who are calling them out because they just
Speaker 2: go around what they considered to be the traditional points
Speaker 2: of friction, the people who don't just faithfully report whatever
Speaker 2: it is that they say, that you are involved in
Speaker 2: the pushback every now and then. Well, a perfect example
Speaker 2: of this is starting to play out in Queensland. Of course,
Speaker 2: my beautiful I wish it was home state blood transfusions
Speaker 2: to become a Queenslander.
Speaker 1: You know all of that.
Speaker 2: Well, at the last state election, as Stephen Miles was
Speaker 2: desperately trying to hold onto the furniture, he made the
Speaker 2: most ridiculous, over the top excessive promises that we all
Speaker 2: know nobody could pay for. But they were just desperate
Speaker 2: announcements that were in many ways land mindes being put
Speaker 2: in place thousand dollar handout for this, two hundred dollars
Speaker 2: handout for that twenty five dollars reduction. But the asterisk
Speaker 2: every single time on those things was that they weren't permanent.
Speaker 2: They were only for the twelve months to get through
Speaker 2: the election. So slowly but surely, as these things start
Speaker 2: to expire, guess what Stephen Miles is out and about
Speaker 2: telling anyone who will listen that the evil liberals are
Speaker 2: increasing the cost of insert, increasing the cost of cutting
Speaker 2: to this cutting to that this is part of his
Speaker 2: attempt to scandalize the current government for not delivering on
Speaker 2: the fakest and emptiest of promises that he was making
Speaker 2: trying to save his own backside. An example of it,
Speaker 2: which is in the run up to the budget in
Speaker 2: June of this year, is that Stephen Miles is pushing
Speaker 2: for the permanent power bill handout. This was the thousand
Speaker 2: dollars off your power bills to be paid for by
Speaker 2: the Queensland taxpayer.
Speaker 1: Who knows who cares.
Speaker 2: But because it's not permanent, somehow it's the evil LMP
Speaker 2: who's not giving you what they should. And all of
Speaker 2: this relates back to the federal election and relates to
Speaker 2: politics as it is not as people wish it to be.
Speaker 1: There is no time machine for.
Speaker 2: Us to miraculously go back to a more perfect time
Speaker 2: in Australian politics. We are where we are and we
Speaker 2: can only move forward. The powerful forces that do or
Speaker 2: don't exist again, they always change, and increasingly politicians think
Speaker 2: that they can just go around anyone will ask them
Speaker 2: a tough question and go to a generation of voters
Speaker 2: who probably aren't engaging with the news, so therefore they
Speaker 2: just follow the leader they like, or they see the
Speaker 2: videos being echoed of the leader they like, and in
Speaker 2: the case of Stephen Miles, he is trying to kick
Speaker 2: up an almighty scare campaign, hoping to turn the current
Speaker 2: good fortunes of the government that is cleaning up the
Speaker 2: mess that he and Palochet had left in the many
Speaker 2: years before, where their gift to Queensland was all of
Speaker 2: these wind farms and despite your objections, you'll.
Speaker 1: Be able to turn up and have a look at them.
Speaker 2: So he's going on social media and he decided specifically
Speaker 2: to go to a collection of young voters at the
Speaker 2: University of Queensland and he decided to start putting a
Speaker 2: very false premise in front of those people, hoping that
Speaker 2: no one would pay any attention to the detail because
Speaker 2: they didn't for Elbow, so presumably they won't for him.
Speaker 7: Did you heard that the government's just put up Joe
Speaker 7: by twenty four percent?
Speaker 2: No, no, I have not.
Speaker 1: I haven't, No, I have.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it went down. I put it down. Yeah, I
Speaker 9: remember when you Yeah, when you put it twenty percent.
Speaker 9: I was supposed I was supposed to renew it next month. Yeah,
Speaker 9: that's a bit a bit of a shame.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a lie.
Speaker 9: That's eighty eight bucks a year. What could you do
Speaker 9: with eighty eight bucks?
Speaker 7: Play a lot of bubbletins of that?
Speaker 4: That's like eight weeks of that's true.
Speaker 6: It'd be nicer to say an extra tanker petrol.
Speaker 2: Honestly, of course, it was a one off promise that
Speaker 2: happened going into an election that fingers crossed. If they won, Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: we'll just keep borrowing.
Speaker 1: Who cares.
Speaker 2: But it was a promise that was overtly just for
Speaker 2: one year, overtly made by somebody who was desperately trying
Speaker 2: to change the subject, so.
Speaker 1: To end where I was starting.
Speaker 2: Social media and how it is used is vitally important,
Speaker 2: and the conservative side of politics needs to learn how
Speaker 2: to push back, needs to learn how to call bs,
Speaker 2: needs to learn how to do it in the language
Speaker 2: of what will become dominant numbers of voters as years
Speaker 2: roll on. And I think a perfect example of that
Speaker 2: is the Queensland Treasurer who used social media to call
Speaker 2: BS and explain in nice, simple language while why Miles
Speaker 2: and Labor are lying?
Speaker 1: Did you heard that the government's just put up road
Speaker 1: Joe by twenty four percent? Nont?
Speaker 3: No, I have not.
Speaker 7: It's getting pretty ridiculous, and you're going to hear some
Speaker 7: pretty silly things from Stephen, Miles and Labor over the
Speaker 7: next month. But time to get the truth on the table.
Speaker 7: Stephen Les was never going to keep the car regio
Speaker 7: discount after September. He never put a dollar in the
Speaker 7: budget for energy rebates, and he certainly never made fifty
Speaker 7: cent fairs permanent.
Speaker 9: That's a bit a bit of a shame.
Speaker 7: What you'll get from us is short term and long
Speaker 7: term cost of living relief and we'll have more to
Speaker 7: say about that in the next month and on Queensland
Speaker 7: Budget Day on the twenty fourth of June.
Speaker 1: Good you've got to push back, you've got to fight.
Speaker 2: You know how I've said about meeting people where they are,
Speaker 2: and some people I roll and think that that's some
Speaker 2: sort of secret lifty code.
Speaker 1: No, No, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: For currently hundreds of thousands, eventually millions of voters, that's
Speaker 2: going to be the main way that they interact with people.
Speaker 2: They don't care about the core flutes anymore. Okay, they
Speaker 2: may not see the radio ads and increasingly, if you
Speaker 2: live in these sorts of information systems where the politicians
Speaker 2: are just unchallenged. There's not even kinder truth that to
Speaker 2: live in those spaces. Well, then, of course, what do
Speaker 2: they say. The lie goes halfway around the world before
Speaker 2: the truth gets a chance to pull its duds on.
Speaker 1: This is the perfect way to fight back. This is
Speaker 1: how they should have fought.
Speaker 2: Back in the many months and the many weeks of
Speaker 2: the federal election campaign. I don't know if it would
Speaker 2: have changed the answer. It's too late to ever know.
Speaker 2: But to the people who are trying to rebuild things,
Speaker 2: look at good examples of how it's being done, good
Speaker 2: examples of how to take on lies. Meantime, total focused
Speaker 2: out of floods. We'll do that a lot in the
Speaker 2: next segment as well. We're going to have to chat
Speaker 2: about to particularly some really smart people who want to
Speaker 2: help you. If you are somebody who's going to get
Speaker 2: dutted by an insurance company, this may not affect you
Speaker 2: because you maybe aren't living in and around the mid
Speaker 2: north coast of New South Wales right now, but it
Speaker 2: may affect you when a storm flood tree falls on
Speaker 2: your house comes to your part of the world, probably
Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. Well, then eight hundred properties have
Speaker 2: been deemed uninhabitable. Six and a half thousand damage assessments
Speaker 2: currently being completed in and around these floods. Prime Minister
Speaker 2: was there to and now, you love for all of
Speaker 2: his bagging of John Howard over the years, he is
Speaker 2: just following the playbook two at every time you go
Speaker 2: out and about you wear the cricket uniform. It's just
Speaker 2: twenty first century John Howard. And that's why he was
Speaker 2: able to well, perhaps matthen when it comes to electoral appeal,
Speaker 2: not saying that because I like the guy, not saying
Speaker 2: because I'm changing my opinion of the guy. But of
Speaker 2: course when the blow turns up and you know, turns
Speaker 2: up a little bit late, but who cares elections over?
Speaker 2: Who weren't getting the every two hour updates? No, because
Speaker 2: he was off in Rome for how many days? Was that?
Speaker 1: By the way, I just went on and on and
Speaker 1: on and on and on. Didn't know.
Speaker 2: It's very important, very important because of course he's a
Speaker 2: deeply committed person of faith who didn't get sworn in
Speaker 2: by the Bible. Whatever details, details, details, Well, he was
Speaker 2: up there today announcing a whole series of special financial
Speaker 2: payments which we'll be given to those who are currently
Speaker 2: in the emergency situation. Is it just me or does
Speaker 2: this not sound that generous?
Speaker 8: I want to say that we are activating the Australian
Speaker 8: Government Disaster Recovery Payment in nine local government areas. This
Speaker 8: payment helps people who have suffered the most serious impacts,
Speaker 8: including a major damage to their home or serious injury
Speaker 8: or loss of a loved one as a result of
Speaker 8: severe weather. It's a one off payment of one thousand
Speaker 8: dollars for eligible adults and four hundred dollars for eligible child.
Speaker 8: This involves as well, comes on top of the support
Speaker 8: that is already rolling out, including personal hardship payments one
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty dollars for eligible adults and up to
Speaker 8: nine hundred dollars per family.
Speaker 2: You've just lost your house, here's one hundred and eighty dollars.
Speaker 2: An amazing leader who's just a part of Team Australia.
Speaker 2: But if you say Team Australia or you due the
Speaker 2: flag of Australia cultural war. As the will changes before
Speaker 2: our very eyes and they write the history and they
Speaker 2: try to tell us what the future is going to be.
Speaker 2: I'll be more than happy to be a pebble in
Speaker 2: the blokes shoe if nothing else, will be irritating, but
Speaker 2: hopefully eventually enough for him to change course. Quick breakback
Speaker 2: with more here on Paul Murray Live. Nigel Ferra's breaking
Speaker 2: news in the UK. He'll tell you what that news
Speaker 2: is very soon here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for
Speaker 2: watching Tusda up. I've got some information about how you
Speaker 2: can help the people that are affected by the floods mid.
Speaker 1: North Coast of New South Wales. I'll get to that
Speaker 1: website in a second, but let's get right now to.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Miller, who's the Deputy Mayor of the Mid Coast Council,
Speaker 2: for an update about how things are going.
Speaker 1: Mate.
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that you're running on fumes, but
Speaker 2: you probably have been for a couple of days now.
Speaker 2: We've had the scenario where again Prime Minister comes in
Speaker 2: and out, Premiere comes in and out. Great, all fine,
Speaker 2: fair enough, but we're now in this next phase which
Speaker 2: is particularly difficult, which is some people are not able
Speaker 2: to return to their homes because they are not allowed
Speaker 2: to live in them. But there's thousands more who've got
Speaker 2: a lot of work to be done. What did you
Speaker 2: see today?
Speaker 10: Well, what was see out in the streets is the
Speaker 10: power of humanity. It is pretty extraordinary. You know, people
Speaker 10: are just devastated. I saw a friend on Facebook saying
Speaker 10: her mum's in hospital in Newcastle, having regular you know
Speaker 10: whatever she's doing in the hospital there. And while she's there,
Speaker 10: she's got an email saying her house is unhabitable. She
Speaker 10: can't go back in it, she can't get her belongings,
Speaker 10: you know, so what she's supposed to do. So I
Speaker 10: know that places are being inspected now to see if
Speaker 10: people if it is safe to go back in, and
Speaker 10: we're finding in about a quarter of the houses it's
Speaker 10: not safe. So at the moment it's in the hundreds
Speaker 10: of houses, but will end up in the thousands of houses.
Speaker 10: But people that just need somewhere to go because they
Speaker 10: just simply can't return to their houses. For the people
Speaker 10: who can return to their houses, I was helping a
Speaker 10: woman in Glenthorne right by the river, you know, with
Speaker 10: the mud halfway.
Speaker 1: Up at kitchen, halfway up at walls.
Speaker 10: She's just going to rip out all the jiprok in
Speaker 10: our house. And it's you know, you know, for amovie,
Speaker 10: your shoes when you go in, because the whole house
Speaker 10: is just mud up to about, you know, knee high.
Speaker 10: It's pretty devastating for people.
Speaker 2: So can not all streets, not all houses are created equal.
Speaker 2: But what happens when somebody goes and sees a joint
Speaker 2: that's full of mud? Is there a cleaning crew that's
Speaker 2: got obviously neighbors and everyone's helping. But in terms of
Speaker 2: the official stuff, is there a cleaning crew that goes
Speaker 2: through and with brushes they just push as much of
Speaker 2: it out as possible?
Speaker 1: Are they?
Speaker 2: Because of the nature of things, it's easier to pressure
Speaker 2: wash stuff out, Like what's the stuff that they can do?
Speaker 2: Give us an idea again, if we're talking about you
Speaker 2: know number twelve, number fourteen sixteen eighteen in Smith.
Speaker 10: Street, Sure, well, this one's house. We were out of
Speaker 10: glenh On. The first issue was to get the chainsaw
Speaker 10: and just move the enormous trees that were blocking access
Speaker 10: into the house. And you know, for the sparky be
Speaker 10: able to get to the power board. You know, just
Speaker 10: physical access is impossible because of the quantum of what's
Speaker 10: being washed up against these houses. You know, the power
Speaker 10: of nature is just incredibly You look at some of
Speaker 10: those trees and go, how did that even get moved
Speaker 10: over to that house there, so digging through the sort
Speaker 10: of the muck and the trees to the house the
Speaker 10: first problem.
Speaker 1: So you're in.
Speaker 10: Of course, it's devastating to open your front door and
Speaker 10: just find there's just it's just mud and silt. So
Speaker 10: we end up, you know, getting a shovel and getting
Speaker 10: as much out as you can and then yes, you
Speaker 10: hope at the inside of your house ripping up, but
Speaker 10: getting at any vinyl and then you've just got to
Speaker 10: tear off any jip rock up to wherever the waterlane
Speaker 10: came up to, because you're not going to save that,
Speaker 10: so any electricals and jip rock up to that line.
Speaker 10: You know, it's just physical, hard work, and we're very happy.
Speaker 10: There's been hundreds of SES volunteers. There's been some doing
Speaker 10: and throwing about whether the army is coming, but apparently
Speaker 10: the army is now coming or on the ground or
Speaker 10: about to be on the ground. So what we need
Speaker 10: is hands, and really what we need is heavy machinery,
Speaker 10: because I've been hearing from a lot of farmers that
Speaker 10: are saying, look, it doesn't matter how many extra hands
Speaker 10: I get to come down and help me. What I
Speaker 10: need is bulldozers and big heavy machinery to move, you know,
Speaker 10: just the force of nature that's come through and devastated it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a thing where I mean, if there
Speaker 2: are people that are watching, if there are farmers that
Speaker 2: are watching from other parts of the country that might
Speaker 2: be able and want to help. Is that the sort
Speaker 2: of thing that you know, if you've got something to offer,
Speaker 2: you offer it through counsel or do you offer it
Speaker 2: through the sees through disaster recovery? What's the best way
Speaker 2: If you're sitting right now, everything's fine around you and
Speaker 2: you can probably do without the dozer for a week,
Speaker 2: what's the best way to.
Speaker 1: Get in touch.
Speaker 10: Well, we're seeing a lot of people who were just
Speaker 10: turning up. You know, there was a guy working beside
Speaker 10: me down at the Saloess who's driven all the way
Speaker 10: from Melbourne NonStop just to come and help. And that's fantastic.
Speaker 10: But if you're coming to site, see please don't come
Speaker 10: because you know the place is pretty full and we're
Speaker 10: just trying to get people to where they need to
Speaker 10: be so we don't need extra traffic and extra site
Speaker 10: sees around. But if you do want to give, then
Speaker 10: there's a site called give It dot org, dot AU,
Speaker 10: which is the one that the newsopolask, government asks you
Speaker 10: to support, and counsel ask you to support. We give
Speaker 10: it you can match. So there are people on there saying, look,
Speaker 10: I just need some size five shoes for my kids,
Speaker 10: and so you can go on and give it and say, well,
Speaker 10: I have size five shoes for kids, and you can
Speaker 10: make sure that your goods get to where they need
Speaker 10: to be, because what we've seen from previous disasters is
Speaker 10: sort of well meaning people. You end up with a
Speaker 10: warehouse full of stuff that you don't know what to
Speaker 10: do with. All you want to make sure is the
Speaker 10: right stuff is getting to the people who need it,
Speaker 10: and you're not giving things that people don't need right now.
Speaker 10: So give it is a good way just to match
Speaker 10: that good stuff.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jeremy, really appreciate it. Look, I know it's
Speaker 2: dot some bold stuff. I know it's become your every day,
Speaker 2: but I want everyone around the country to understand what's
Speaker 2: going not just you know, focus on it for half
Speaker 2: a day or isn't that terrible? Move on, Let's stick
Speaker 2: with it for the next oft the while. Thank you, Jeremy,
Speaker 2: Strength and love to everyone in your community. Now we've
Speaker 2: spoken to Christy Evans before. Christy is a lawyer who
Speaker 2: certainly knows how to go to battle with a it's cursing,
Speaker 2: my apologies, go to battle with insurance companies, she joins us. Now, hello, mate,
Speaker 2: now let's talk about this process. Now, where say you're
Speaker 2: in one of these scenarios where your house is you
Speaker 2: just can't get back to, and then there's going to
Speaker 2: be a whole series of disputes that are.
Speaker 1: Going to start to take place.
Speaker 2: How do we make sure that people don't get screwed
Speaker 2: over by lots of different systems that are going to
Speaker 2: say they're there to help, but they don't do much.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, the people have me know it's co stepping into
Speaker 4: a broken system. We know that they're about to have
Speaker 4: the odds stacked up against them. We want to make
Speaker 4: sure that they're lodging early, they're lodging fast, and that
Speaker 4: they are continuing to pursue claims even if that denial comes.
Speaker 2: So give me an idea here again, if they're all
Speaker 2: right now about ten thousand different properties. Most importantly, first
Speaker 2: things first, as you say, don't wait file a paperwork,
Speaker 2: do it all, do it all tonight. If you can,
Speaker 2: why is it better to put it in now versus
Speaker 2: wait a couple of days when maybe you get your
Speaker 2: power back and you can start to do it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we know insurers are stretched, we know that they're
Speaker 4: going to have limited resources for loss of justice hydrologists.
Speaker 4: We need these people to hit the region as soon
Speaker 4: as they can. So the faster lodge, the faster we're
Speaker 4: spurring insurers into action.
Speaker 2: And Christy, how do you what advice do you have
Speaker 2: to help people go through this process? Because obviously you're
Speaker 2: not going to be able to handhold everyone through it.
Speaker 2: But what are some of the pitfalls that we could
Speaker 2: give as general information tonight for people who are about to,
Speaker 2: as you say, jump into this broken system.
Speaker 4: The second you lodge your claim with your insurer, you
Speaker 4: are building a case. You are building a case to
Speaker 4: have your insurance policy approved by the insurer. Do not
Speaker 4: convertly say things if you do not know they occurred,
Speaker 4: if you were not there. You do not know the
Speaker 4: color of the water when it entered your premises, and
Speaker 4: you do not know how it entered your premises, whether
Speaker 4: it came through the roof or through the floor. If
Speaker 4: you were not there, you cannot say. The insurers will
Speaker 4: be building a case from the outset. So it's really
Speaker 4: important that you are not conceding anything. And if you
Speaker 4: do not understand the question, simply ask them to put
Speaker 4: it in writing and you will answer it later.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Good stuff.
Speaker 2: Now again when you say, because inevitably, when you're either
Speaker 2: sitting on the phone or you're filling things out, as
Speaker 2: you say, don't guess work, don't do things, don't say
Speaker 2: things in your claim that can be easily disproved. Which
Speaker 2: does I mean anyone's trying to lie, But as you say,
Speaker 2: people are just it's pretty obvious, right. I woke up
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, everything was okay. Then I was in an
Speaker 2: evacuation center, and then two days later I came back
Speaker 2: and the things filled with the flood.
Speaker 1: So what did I see on TV that night?
Speaker 4: Exactly? I don't know. I don't know if the water
Speaker 4: was muddy when it entered my premises. I don't know
Speaker 4: where it came from, if it came out of drains.
Speaker 4: You cannot say it. You know that water entered your premises,
Speaker 4: and you will be building an argument with your insurer
Speaker 4: because it may be the case that they're going to
Speaker 4: rely on over technical arguments in their product disclosure statements
Speaker 4: to overturn your claim and deny it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so give us an idea. Again, we've
Speaker 2: talked before about the broken system. What's some of the
Speaker 2: stuff that is so obvious that needs to be fixed
Speaker 2: That last time we talked was clear when you went
Speaker 2: through it yourself years ago, it was clear. Every politician
Speaker 2: you've ever talked to sits there and nods their head.
Speaker 2: But the one big broken bit that they just never change.
Speaker 4: Insures aren't how to account. That's the blanket thing. They're
Speaker 4: not held to account. We go through a system where
Speaker 4: you've got your average punter who's trying to pursue their claim.
Speaker 4: If they constantly get a denial, they face a secondary
Speaker 4: trauma all over again, and they get worn out. Even
Speaker 4: if they lodge a complaint to AFCA or are the
Speaker 4: government government bodies, it's a shut you know, it's a
Speaker 4: slap on the rest. It might be a public shaming,
Speaker 4: but we're still seeing insurance with record Crawfords.
Speaker 1: Kirsty, thank you so much. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I want people to have as much information as possible
Speaker 2: and again, well this may not be specific to you tonight.
Speaker 2: There is a bushfire that's coming in a few months time,
Speaker 2: there's a flood in two years time. There's something that's
Speaker 2: going to fall on your house, on your car. Kirsty Evans,
Speaker 2: thank you so much, really do appreciate it. Quick breakback
Speaker 2: with more Niga farrage in a few moments time. Plenty
Speaker 2: to say between now and then he's breaking news of
Speaker 2: the UK.
Speaker 1: He will do so with us in moments. I promise
Speaker 1: Niger frash be here in a second.
Speaker 2: Which the dots between here and our London studio. In
Speaker 2: the meantime, couple of things to tell you about, which
Speaker 2: is Jackie Lamby back for another six years. In Australian politics. Sadly,
Speaker 2: Lee Hanson not able to beat Herbert Geess. They got close,
Speaker 2: she got the final spot on the Tasmania or sorry,
Speaker 2: I think the fifth spot on.
Speaker 1: The Tasmanian Senate results today.
Speaker 2: Slowly but surely, we've heard from South Australia, we've heard
Speaker 2: from Tasmania. We'll see what happens when it comes to
Speaker 2: Victoria and Queensland. Those are places where one nation, so
Speaker 2: maybe maybe a shot at the last spot in Victoria
Speaker 2: and obviously Malcolm Roberts, particularly with a big shot in Queensland.
Speaker 2: We'll tell you more of those as they come across
Speaker 2: our desk. But it's not just the only news. When
Speaker 2: it came to Senate results in South Australia, there is
Speaker 2: a new senator for the Labor Party and she is
Speaker 2: twenty one years of age. She's got in because of
Speaker 2: the Labor vote in South Australia being so strong. Her
Speaker 2: name is Charlotte Walker. Now really good that our parliament
Speaker 2: has people of all different ages, all different experiences. That's
Speaker 2: good for democracy. What I will be fascinated about. And
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Charlotte Walker, and I hope
Speaker 2: she has a wonderful political future in front of her.
Speaker 2: But is she going to fall into the same trap
Speaker 2: to say, a fatima payment somebody maybe not assumed to
Speaker 2: make it.
Speaker 1: Maybe who was there?
Speaker 2: Remember she made it onto the last spot in the
Speaker 2: Western Australian Senate election with the Labour Party at the
Speaker 2: last election, and we all know that she ended up
Speaker 2: sort of spinning off into her own world. Maybe, And
Speaker 2: I hope that that's not the case for somebody like
Speaker 2: Charlotte who if she spends the time learning from the
Speaker 2: people around her will of course only become stronger in
Speaker 2: the Labor Party, and we'll find out what her career
Speaker 2: is like and we'll watch it all in real time meantime.
Speaker 2: Zoey Daniel, Oh, Zoey Daniel. Here she was on election
Speaker 2: night celebrating winning, but as we know, she didn't. In fact,
Speaker 2: Tim Wilson has won by a couple hundred votes in
Speaker 2: the seat of Goldstein, and as you may will have
Speaker 2: heard by now, there is going to be a partial
Speaker 2: recount because she says there's a few anomalies which I
Speaker 2: think is getting.
Speaker 1: Very close to stop the steel talk.
Speaker 2: But anyway, look, I know this story is from yesterday
Speaker 2: and you've already heard it, but it does just give
Speaker 2: me an excuse to play her dancing again when she
Speaker 2: thought she had won.
Speaker 1: That's just cotuitous.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a couple of bits of health information which
Speaker 2: you're worth talking about as well today, including indometriosis, something
Speaker 2: that affects so many women around the country, and a
Speaker 2: private family have decided to donate the single largest donation two.
Speaker 1: Research in this particular area.
Speaker 2: A Sydney university says it has received the single largest
Speaker 2: donation for indometriosis research in the world. A donation of
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars to the University of New South Wales
Speaker 2: will establish the Ainsworth Indometriosis Research Instance. The goal is
Speaker 2: accelerating breakthroughs in diagnosis and creating precision based treatments. It
Speaker 2: is an investment that one sorry, it's estimated that one
Speaker 2: in seven Australian women have the medical condition by the
Speaker 2: age of forty four, but there are still major delays
Speaker 2: when it comes to the diagnosis and treatment. The average
Speaker 2: time for a diagnosis now is about seven years. Also
Speaker 2: good news for little people with ADHD. Gps in New
Speaker 2: South Wales are going to be given a greater capacity
Speaker 2: to be able to diagnose and treat By safely training
Speaker 2: more gps to treat and diagnose AUDHD, we are hoping
Speaker 2: to break the cycle of people having to wait years
Speaker 2: for what can be a life altering diagnosis. I had
Speaker 2: the most beautiful conversation with somebody who've been through that
Speaker 2: process in Kansas a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: Hell, I've done and I'm glad you're always watching.
Speaker 2: That's what Chris Minn says that not getting diagnosed can
Speaker 2: they particularly big impacts on kids when it comes to
Speaker 2: trying to get the most out of their life. So
Speaker 2: that's a good one. And the last one here is
Speaker 2: that electricity may well play a role in treating can
Speaker 2: answer according to one of the companies that's doing this
Speaker 2: and oncology company, that we're leveraging the electrical properties from
Speaker 2: cancer cells and they know that technology can disrupt electrical
Speaker 2: forces at play and sell division to slow down tumor growth.
Speaker 1: Again direct quote.
Speaker 2: We think our bodies, we think of our bodies as
Speaker 2: being biological beings as well as chemical beings, but we
Speaker 2: are also electrical beings.
Speaker 1: See that's why you've got to be here each and
Speaker 1: every night.
Speaker 2: There's the politics, there's the wondering out lad, and there's
Speaker 2: some good news about where we're going when it comes
Speaker 2: to our health.
Speaker 1: We're on a sec here on Pull my.
Speaker 2: Re Live, I'm pretty sure we'll get Nigel Farage. I
Speaker 2: hope it all works. But in the meantime there is
Speaker 2: and hopefully on your Telly next.
Speaker 5: His time for the man who's never.
Speaker 2: Boring and making huge news is we we're getting ready
Speaker 2: for the show tonight. There I am seeing him on one, two,
Speaker 2: three feeds from the United Kingdom, all of them in
Speaker 2: breaking News where he's, among other things, just challenge the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister one on one debate in a workers club
Speaker 2: in the Red Wall. Nigel Frar, the leader of Reform
Speaker 2: Joints US now from the UK. Today's a big day
Speaker 2: because you are stepping up and absolutely taking the fight
Speaker 2: to the government. We know the polls have put you
Speaker 2: in a position to either be very close or in
Speaker 2: front of the government. Do you consider yourselves to be
Speaker 2: the opposition now?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 9: The Conservative Party have been around for two hundred years.
Speaker 9: They are melting away, they're disappearing. They are I think
Speaker 9: reaping as they sewed because they promised they cut immigration,
Speaker 9: they led it to record levels. It's made the country poorer.
Speaker 9: And yeah, we have now replaced the Conservative Party. You
Speaker 9: saw that of course on May the first with the
Speaker 9: English local elections, and now labor are really scared of us.
Speaker 9: The Prime Minister has been busy attacking me for the
Speaker 9: last few weeks and so today I thought I'd return
Speaker 9: the favor.
Speaker 2: And I like that you've gone straight at him saying
Speaker 2: you know what, rather than you know, don't go behind
Speaker 2: my bag, don't do the passive aggressive thing in parliament,
Speaker 2: don't do it in you know, favored studios of the BBC.
Speaker 2: Let's go to ride into the heart of working men
Speaker 2: and women country and look each other in the eye.
Speaker 1: So what's the challenge you've got through?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I said, Look, let's go to a working man's
Speaker 9: club in a former mining area in the north of
Speaker 9: England and let's do a head to head debate in
Speaker 9: front of an audience of men and women who come
Speaker 9: from those communities, communities that have been labor mostly since
Speaker 9: the end of World War One, and let's see how
Speaker 9: we get on. And I did say, I wasn't sure
Speaker 9: whether the Prime Minister enjoyed a few pints or having
Speaker 9: a bet on the afternoon's horse racing, but.
Speaker 1: I certainly do.
Speaker 9: And let's see, because you know he says Labor are
Speaker 9: the party of the workers. Well you know what I think,
Speaker 9: Reform are now the party of the workers. And this
Speaker 9: would be a very good acid test. So let's hope
Speaker 9: he takes me up on it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: And this is fascinating because we're in this scenario where
Speaker 2: I always love, you know, these establishment parties like Labor
Speaker 2: in the UK here or there. It's not really about
Speaker 2: the work here, it's about the union. It's about the organization.
Speaker 2: It's about the power structures, not the people that get
Speaker 2: screwed over by many of the decisions made by those
Speaker 2: including you've come out and said that you would pull
Speaker 2: the UK out of net zero promises by twenty fifty.
Speaker 2: It's a very active debate in Australia.
Speaker 1: Why do you want to do it for the UK?
Speaker 9: Because what we've done in the name of that zero
Speaker 9: is we have pushed wind and solar, for which China,
Speaker 9: by the way, say thank you very much. We've subsidized
Speaker 9: it like crazy. It doesn't work without subsidy. We've put
Speaker 9: that onto bills. We now have the most expensive commercial
Speaker 9: energy prices in the world. And I sit and watch
Speaker 9: every week as Britain d industrializes, as huge numbers of
Speaker 9: people lose their jobs, and as ordinary families have to
Speaker 9: pay up to twenty percent extra for their electricity bills
Speaker 9: to subsidize foreign companies and manufacturers for something that is
Speaker 9: making almost no difference to global carbon dioxide outputs. The
Speaker 9: whole thing is mad. It's like a new religion. Everybody agrees.
Speaker 9: I've dared to come along and challenge it, and do
Speaker 9: you know what the silent majority are now with me?
Speaker 2: I said this out of respect and obviously people like
Speaker 2: myself love the United Kingdom, But what is the level
Speaker 2: of madness that we see where things like what happened
Speaker 2: in Liverpool yesterday. What do you think of when you
Speaker 2: see something like that where people who are celebrating footy,
Speaker 2: celebrating their favorite football team get mowed down by some
Speaker 2: bloke in a cart.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they were out celebrating. I mean, Liverpool have had
Speaker 9: a great season. While I'm here, I must mention Crystal
Speaker 9: Potters did win the FA Cup, my team, first thing
Speaker 9: we've ever won. But it was a happy day. And
Speaker 9: I don't know what the motives of this bloke were.
Speaker 9: The rumors are that he came out of a club,
Speaker 9: that he was very, very drunk. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't know.
Speaker 9: But it's horrible, it's awful. But it also shows a
Speaker 9: failure of the authorities. How with a huge crowd was
Speaker 9: a car allowed to get anywhere near a street full
Speaker 9: of people? So perhaps, in some ways is yet another
Speaker 9: example of broken Britain. Things just aren't working here anymore.
Speaker 9: We need to turn it around. We can turn it around,
Speaker 9: and that's why I a year ago came back into
Speaker 9: politics I believe we can do a lot lot better.
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary that a year later you've got to not
Speaker 2: just the seats in Parliament, you've got so many local councils.
Speaker 1: The polls are on your side. And I've got to say,
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why.
Speaker 2: I think you're surging from a very long way away,
Speaker 2: but obviously due to technology. Looking you in the eyeah
Speaker 2: and every Tuesday night, is you take on things like
Speaker 2: the cost of having kids. I love that in your
Speaker 2: speech today you talked about the difficulties people have about
Speaker 2: whether they want to expand the population naturally, and that
Speaker 2: people literally are frightened sometimes about expanding because of how
Speaker 2: expensive it is to have a kid these days.
Speaker 9: Yeah, having a kid's dear childcare, of course if you
Speaker 9: go back to work is wildly expensive, and a lot
Speaker 9: of people just aren't having kids, and we think we
Speaker 9: can replace that by mass foreign, low skilled immigration, which
Speaker 9: actually makes us poorer. What I said today was perhaps
Speaker 9: not fashionable, but it's this. Children that grow up in
Speaker 9: a married family with a mum and dad through to
Speaker 9: maturity have better life chances than those that don't. I'm
Speaker 9: not moralizing. I don't want to be the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Speaker 9: I'm just stating a simple fact, and it's been unfashionable
Speaker 9: to champion the family. We've been all about diversity for
Speaker 9: the last few decades. But let's face the truth. Actually
Speaker 9: family matters. A marriage it does. I mean, my own
Speaker 9: track records not great, I admit, but marriage actually matters,
Speaker 9: and bringing kids up in a stable environment matters, and
Speaker 9: giving people the confidence to have children, if we can
Speaker 9: do that through the tax system, must.
Speaker 1: Be a good thing.
Speaker 9: And today was the first time I already opened up
Speaker 9: on this, Paul, but I'm going to go on doing it.
Speaker 1: Good man, Thank you, Nigel. We'll talk to you again
Speaker 1: next week.
Speaker 2: Thanks for making time for us today on top of
Speaker 2: what has been an already very big day. That's our
Speaker 2: show for tonight. We'll see when Meg and Kelly tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: and the Late Debate is now