WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 27 May

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for watching.

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<v Speaker 2>The great Nigel Faraj is making breaking news in the

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<v Speaker 2>UK as we speak. As soon as he steps off

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<v Speaker 2>their stage, you will be here talking to you about

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<v Speaker 2>what that news is. Believe me, it's been the exclusive.

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<v Speaker 1>In a moment's time here on for my life.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, you know how it feels like every second

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<v Speaker 2>day there's some sort of a protest that's happening somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of them normal people aren't really part of some

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<v Speaker 2>we really like because they're on some of the issues

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<v Speaker 2>that we like. But it does feel like more people

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<v Speaker 2>take to the streets than ever before. Certainly when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to social media, there's a lot more activism than

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<v Speaker 2>ever before. But I wanted to talk about how not

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<v Speaker 2>all people power is considered the same.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, should you.

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<v Speaker 2>Be allowed to completely shut down one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the traffic network over Capital City to make

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<v Speaker 2>a point, even if the point is about the very

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<v Speaker 2>bridge that you're going to be protesting on. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a group that is planning to essentially slow down traffic

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<v Speaker 2>later this week across the Story Bridge to make a

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<v Speaker 2>point that pedestrians and people on cyclists should have more

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<v Speaker 2>access to the Story Bridge while the pedestrian parts of

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<v Speaker 2>the bridge are currently being fixed up. It's a group

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<v Speaker 2>called Space for Cycling in Brisbane. But today in the

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<v Speaker 2>Courier Mail it is understood that the demonstrators are marching

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<v Speaker 2>to demand that the Brisbane City Council allocate one car

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<v Speaker 2>lane to pedestrian, cyclists and scooter traffic, following the closers

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<v Speaker 2>of the footpaths on either side of the bridge, which

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<v Speaker 2>took place in March. According to the organizers of the protest,

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrators will stop car traffic on the bridge and use

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<v Speaker 2>all SIKHS lanes to safely walk across.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this is not.

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<v Speaker 2>An extinction rebellion thing. It is about people who believe

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<v Speaker 2>that the Story Bridge, not just an iconic part of Brisbane,

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<v Speaker 2>but a pretty significant way that you can get from

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<v Speaker 2>one side of the river to the other, should have

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<v Speaker 2>greater access for people who are not in a car,

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<v Speaker 2>because previously you've been able to ride a bike or

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<v Speaker 2>walk across on things that are now currently being closed.

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<v Speaker 2>But is it okay even if that's the point you're

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<v Speaker 2>making to shut down the entire thing. Here's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the protesters talking about why they're planning to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>talking to foll We see this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>So what we're asking for is that one of the

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<v Speaker 3>car lanes should be shut and barriers put up so

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<v Speaker 3>that people can walk and cycle safely across.

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<v Speaker 2>We're hoping for a.

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<v Speaker 3>Couple of hundred people to turn up. We recognize that

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<v Speaker 3>there will be inconvenience, We recognize that they will be delayed,

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<v Speaker 3>But the point of the protest is to point out

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<v Speaker 3>that thousands of people have had their travel delayed, and

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of people have been inconvenienced, and thousands of people

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<v Speaker 3>safety has been put at risk every single day since

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<v Speaker 3>the fifth of March when the footpaths were closed.

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<v Speaker 2>But why were the footparts closed? Well, of course they

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<v Speaker 2>were closed because there is some concern about the safety

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<v Speaker 2>of said footparts. Why am I talking about a national

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<v Speaker 2>show a footpath in one city that you may or

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<v Speaker 2>may not be watching us from right now, Because the

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<v Speaker 2>reality is that people responding to the decision of the

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<v Speaker 2>Brisbane City Council to shut those things are now going

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<v Speaker 2>to respond by shutting down effectively this entire bridge. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, people who don't have fair warning of this,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to get caught up in the traffic, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a whole bunch of reasons why you're in the

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<v Speaker 2>car needing to get from A to b. A to

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<v Speaker 2>B may be from work to home, home to work,

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<v Speaker 2>but it also could be from home to hospital. It

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<v Speaker 2>may be from work to picking up kids. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>reason that bridge needs to stay open. But for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>the protest has had all the paperwork filled out and

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<v Speaker 2>is completely okay. That level of disruption has been approved

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<v Speaker 2>by the authorities in Queensland. That of course means that

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<v Speaker 2>much of the media will cover it and there won't

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<v Speaker 2>be much cover about the people who are inconvenienced by it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also want to talk about another version of

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<v Speaker 2>people power and how the media responds to that. Back

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<v Speaker 2>when the Labor Party was the party in charge of

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<v Speaker 2>the Queensland State government, they loved setting a very high

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<v Speaker 2>renewable energy target because it was a way of giving

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<v Speaker 2>the middle finger to the Libs who were in Canberra,

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<v Speaker 2>and they even went as far as making stupid announcements

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<v Speaker 2>that building thousands of wind farms.

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<v Speaker 1>Would end up being tourist attractions.

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<v Speaker 4>You can look at the scale, have a look Brandon,

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<v Speaker 4>turn around and look up. These are huge and honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>I think we should have viewing platforms for families to

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<v Speaker 4>come out here and actually see what is in their

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<v Speaker 4>own backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>What an exciting thing. Hey, kids, get in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing Dad?

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to the wind farm. But such was the

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<v Speaker 2>way these things were being sold. But of course, as

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<v Speaker 2>we know, when it comes this type of development that

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<v Speaker 2>is happening all over Australia, the state governments are not

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<v Speaker 2>just announcing this stuff, but in places like Victoria, they're

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<v Speaker 2>changing the law. So the locals who would be impacted

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<v Speaker 2>by this stuff have very little capacity to complain or

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<v Speaker 2>they complain and essentially it's just filed in the two

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<v Speaker 2>hard basket or the computer automatically says no.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, has been a change of government in Queensland,

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<v Speaker 2>one that has maintained high targets when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>carbon reduction, but also believes that the same attitude that

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<v Speaker 2>people would have in the city to say a unit

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<v Speaker 2>block being put up next door, that they have just

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<v Speaker 2>as much say about whether there should be a valley

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<v Speaker 2>full of wind turbines.

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<v Speaker 1>The Moonlight Range.

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<v Speaker 2>Project is one that apparently was going to cost about

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<v Speaker 2>a billion dollars, but it was going to have one

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<v Speaker 2>or two or quite a few of these wind farms. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you like them or not, it can't be denied

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<v Speaker 2>that essentially we're disrupting the earth the land to save

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<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere. And then of course there's all the questions

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<v Speaker 2>about what happens when it doesn't win and doesn't shine

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<v Speaker 2>and all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Media reaction to the decision to shut this down in

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<v Speaker 2>the Turbal Times fears that Queensland is closed for clean

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<v Speaker 2>business as LNP councils billion dollar wind farn despite conditional approval.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the word conditional sort of makes the outrage

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<v Speaker 2>go to one side. The Courier Male talks here about

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<v Speaker 2>the one billion dollar range that had been shut down

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<v Speaker 2>by the Labor Party. That's a straight reporting of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>But industry news websites say industry slams the acting of

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<v Speaker 2>one billion dollar wind farm as highly political as doubts

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<v Speaker 2>are raised over objections. Well, interestingly, the reason why this

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<v Speaker 2>project is not going ahead is because of people power.

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<v Speaker 1>The same people.

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<v Speaker 2>Power that can bring the center of Brisbane to a standstill.

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<v Speaker 2>Completely Okay, but if it stands in the way of

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<v Speaker 2>what others demand that they wouldn't have in their own backyard,

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<v Speaker 2>but you must have it in your backyard, then the

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<v Speaker 2>state is closed for business. And this wasn't just a

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<v Speaker 2>random decision by a bunch of politicians appealing to the

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<v Speaker 2>far right. It's politicians giving locals the opportunity to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think, and the extreme majority of those

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<v Speaker 2>said no. This was the statement which came out from

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<v Speaker 2>the Deputy Premier Jared Bly in Queensland yesterday. It says

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<v Speaker 2>the project included plans for up to eighty eight wind turbines,

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<v Speaker 2>a battery, energy storage system and related infrastructure covering one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and two one hundred hectares. In total, four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty four hectares of vegetation would need to be cleared.

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<v Speaker 2>The assessment considered significant feedback from local residents and stakeholders,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as the impacts on the local infrastructure and

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<v Speaker 2>services and housing. Five hundred and fifty people and anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in the state had the opportunity to turn around and

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<v Speaker 2>write to this committee and say hey, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it, please have it. But guess what.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty five percent of the feedback that the Queensland Government wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Of God was four hundred and seventy three or five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty who said no, don't do it. Whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of reasons, and yes, some may be very petty

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<v Speaker 2>all the way through to environmental, but the very least

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<v Speaker 2>is people power. It's okay on the story Bridge, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not okay in parts of regional Queensland. It found

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<v Speaker 2>that the proposal did not meet the requirements of the

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<v Speaker 2>govern's new planning laws, which ensure renewable energy projects are

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<v Speaker 2>assessed by the same rigorous approval processes as other major

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<v Speaker 2>resource developments. Here's a bit more of the Queensland Deputy

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<v Speaker 2>Premiere explaining how people power changed the decision, as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to you're going to get it, but you can go

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<v Speaker 2>and look at it with the kids on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the approach of the previous Labor government.

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<v Speaker 5>These things have been popping up all throughout regional and

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<v Speaker 5>rural Queensland without any community consultation, and we made an

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<v Speaker 5>election commitment we would change laws, make the laws impact accessible.

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<v Speaker 2>So perfect example right now, Obviously a one afternoon protest

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<v Speaker 2>on the story Bridge is not as impactful as building

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<v Speaker 2>or not building permanent infrastructure. But no, you love the

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<v Speaker 2>way the media.

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<v Speaker 1>Does these things.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, remember those people who glue their hands to

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<v Speaker 2>the streets, like those extinction rebellion. They have judges that

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<v Speaker 2>turn around and say, well, because of the importance of

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<v Speaker 2>the cause to you, no criminal sanction. Even people who

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<v Speaker 2>are sent to jail for disrupting major thoroughfairs like the

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney Harbor Bridge are able to successfully argue that the

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<v Speaker 2>law shouldn't apply to them because of the trauma that

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<v Speaker 2>they have felt, not living but knowing about previous natural disasters.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you love how people power is very selectively used here?

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<v Speaker 2>Now my argument is just because there's a protest, should

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<v Speaker 2>there be a decision that the pro just want, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not what happened here.

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<v Speaker 2>They let everyone have a say and eighty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people said no. Last time I saw that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a democracy and not just something like what we

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<v Speaker 2>had at the federal election, where a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff is thrown in and then a result goes one

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<v Speaker 2>way or the other and whoever is the winner gets

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<v Speaker 2>to say, well, everything we stood for everyone loves take

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<v Speaker 2>it or.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave it now Waisi.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Australia is getting bigger by the day, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't just mean around our wastes, myself included, But

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<v Speaker 2>of course we are a growing population currently twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>point three midian people. At the last census, it was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five million. Ten years before that, it was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one million. Ten years before that it was eighteen million.

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<v Speaker 2>And for those that were around in nineteen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 2>myself included heading off to high school, I was in

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<v Speaker 2>that particularly year. You can see that the country has

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<v Speaker 2>grown by eleven million people in the part of thirty years.

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<v Speaker 2>That is eleven million more mouths to feed, people to

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<v Speaker 2>find housing for infrastructure. But because it's a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand here and a couple hundred thousand there, But

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<v Speaker 2>when you actually look at that huge increase in our

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<v Speaker 2>population in a period of time that most people watching

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<v Speaker 2>this show certainly we're living and certainly in the prime

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<v Speaker 2>of their life for from nineteen ninety one to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, sixteen point eight to twenty seven point three million,

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<v Speaker 2>and Australia is set to grow because of course, businesses

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<v Speaker 2>want more customers, the federal government wants more people, to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the country, so they end up becoming more taxpayers,

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<v Speaker 2>which means we get to a scenario where potentially, depending

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<v Speaker 2>on how much immigration, whether it is at low, medium,

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<v Speaker 2>or high levels, will be anywhere in twenty seventy one

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<v Speaker 2>between thirty four million people nineteen ninety one, sixteen million

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<v Speaker 2>people or forty five million people almost forty six million people. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what of course makes the Ponzi scheme of endless population

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<v Speaker 2>growth and if it doesn't happen naturally then you import

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<v Speaker 2>more people to the queue, is that everyone gets older,

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone at some point in time gets sicker, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be taken care of. And if there are

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<v Speaker 2>five million people who need a hospital now, it'll eventually

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<v Speaker 2>become seven and then ten and then fifteen. And to

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<v Speaker 2>pay for it, you need to make sure that there's seven,

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<v Speaker 2>ten or fifteen million people a full working age. You

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<v Speaker 2>are not going to need things like the healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 2>So today I was very interested to see some numbers

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<v Speaker 2>come out from the Australian Bureau of Statistics and it

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<v Speaker 2>talks about just how many Australians have got a chronic

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<v Speaker 2>illness right now, One in fifteen six percent of adults

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<v Speaker 2>have diabetes one in seven adults have indicators of chronic

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<v Speaker 2>kidney disease. That's currently fourteen percent. It was ten percent

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<v Speaker 2>ten years ago, so more people are now having indicators

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<v Speaker 2>of chronic kidney disease. Thirty percent of people have abnormally

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<v Speaker 2>high cholesterol levels guilty one in five or twenty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of adults have a vitamin D deficiency. This is slightly

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<v Speaker 2>down from where we were ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Years ago, but you get my point.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we think about more population as being exclusively something

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<v Speaker 2>about roads or rail or places to live. But of course,

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<v Speaker 2>at some point in time, really little people need to

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<v Speaker 2>go to school, people of a particular age need to

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<v Speaker 2>go into some sort of care. There's a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of compromises in the middle. But the more people.

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<v Speaker 1>You add to the queue, the bigger all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of these problems become. And a frightening example of what

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<v Speaker 2>I have talked about for years, And I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>what any election result tells us for the next one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years. I stand by this point, which is, currently

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have enough money to pay for everything that

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<v Speaker 2>is demanded of the federal, state and local governments. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>this chart I've shown you how many times, is how

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<v Speaker 2>many budget deficits there will be between now and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three. There is not one surplus into a realistic future.

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<v Speaker 2>This government went into an election promising not just one

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<v Speaker 2>point two trillion dollars worth a debt, but.

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<v Speaker 1>No budget surplaces for the next ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you start to look at a population that

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<v Speaker 2>goes from the nineteen nineties at sixteen million to the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventies at forty five million, you've got to build

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff. That's a lot of houses, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of homes, a lot of units, a lot of schools,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of disability care centers, a lot more than

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<v Speaker 2>just a rebadging of your local medical center as an

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<v Speaker 2>urgent care clinic, a lot more hospitals, even a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more graveyards. The reality is is that this is where

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<v Speaker 2>the rubber hits the road in a conversation about population.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that was despicable about the federal election just

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<v Speaker 2>gone was that any conversation about the number of people

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<v Speaker 2>that you add to the queue was somehow a racist

0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.080
<v Speaker 2>attack on people who have come to the country through

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<v Speaker 2>legitimate and legal processes over the past two, five, ten,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years. It's real low rent politics, but The reality

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<v Speaker 2>is whether you were lucky enough to be born here

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<v Speaker 2>decades ago, or you're somebody that will join the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>club in the world Australia in the next ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>The more people, the more need for infrastructure. The more

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<v Speaker 2>need for infrastructure, the higher the spending of federal, state

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<v Speaker 2>and local government. And as that graphic shows you, there

0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:01.600
<v Speaker 2>is not enough money for that infrastructure. So you would

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<v Speaker 2>think someone somewhere wants to tap the brakes. Not because

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<v Speaker 2>anyone's being racist, doesn't like the person and the look

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<v Speaker 2>of them on the other side of the street, or

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<v Speaker 2>the languages that they speak at home. That's all rubbish.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because we know that the country that even all

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<v Speaker 2>of its troubles in twenty twenty five, will be considered

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<v Speaker 2>the golden years in twenty five years time, when our

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<v Speaker 2>population surges past thirty and starts to make its way

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<v Speaker 2>towards forty million people, it really matters whether a government

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<v Speaker 2>can balance the books or not, because right now, after

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<v Speaker 2>all of the ups and downs of this country in

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<v Speaker 2>its modern form, it's one point two trillion dollars dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single one of those bars that shows a deficit

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<v Speaker 2>is added on top, on top, on top, one point

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<v Speaker 2>two becomes one point five, becomes one point seven, becomes two,

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<v Speaker 2>becomes two point five.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I've shown you.

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<v Speaker 2>Before in places like Victoria, where they have this idea

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<v Speaker 2>that in order to pump prime the politics, you just

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<v Speaker 2>keep making the spending promises. The electorate then starts demanding

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<v Speaker 2>the promises. Whether you have the capacity to pay it

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<v Speaker 2>or not doesn't matter. And it goes from servicing the

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<v Speaker 2>debt of all of the money of all of the

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayers goes from something in the top twenty of the

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<v Speaker 2>spending priorities, to the top fifteen to the top ten,

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<v Speaker 2>to in the case of Victoria, of all of the things, education, transport,

0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.320
<v Speaker 2>all the rest of it, in the top five of

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<v Speaker 2>things that need to be serviced when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>debt in the future years is the ten billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>we needs to be paid off debt as interest. That

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<v Speaker 2>will be the case in the federal budget, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>whom is the treasurer in two years, in five years,

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<v Speaker 2>in ten years. And I stand by that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a rich melting pot with lots of people from lots

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<v Speaker 2>of places, and that makes us a better country.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea of how big.

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<v Speaker 2>The pot can possibly be with how many people in

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<v Speaker 2>it is going to create its own troubles, And there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong with talking about it because I will keep

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<v Speaker 2>showing the evidence that, as it shows today, we get older,

0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.399
<v Speaker 2>we get sicker, more need for public investment, but the

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<v Speaker 2>credit card is already maxed out and they're already borrowing

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<v Speaker 2>one point.

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<v Speaker 1>Two trillion dollars from the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that was an absolute slam dunk

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<v Speaker 2>of the Labor Party during the election was had good

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<v Speaker 2>they were on social media and how bad the Liberals

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<v Speaker 2>were on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know the.

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<v Speaker 2>Garbage that was said over and over again as Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezi was playing the greatest hits of scare campaigns of

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<v Speaker 2>many a Labor leader, and all of it worked and

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<v Speaker 2>he got as many seats as John Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>So who am I to complaint?

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<v Speaker 6>Fifty billion dollars ripped out of health, thirty billion dollars

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<v Speaker 6>ripped out of educations, ripping fifty billion dollars out of health,

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<v Speaker 6>thirty billion dollars out of education, ripping money out of

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<v Speaker 6>the ABC, fifty billion dollars of cuts to health, thirty

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<v Speaker 6>billion dollars of cuts to schools.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that's rubbish, it's a lie. It's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>Every government, regardless of what color they were, has spent

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<v Speaker 2>dollar for dollar more on health and education every single year.

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<v Speaker 2>Because see the last comments that I just made. But

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<v Speaker 2>one of the land mines that were left by the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party as they were going through the rud Gillard

0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.760
<v Speaker 2>rud years was that they would have big ideas like

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<v Speaker 2>the National Disability Insurance Scheme. They'd pretend that it only

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<v Speaker 2>cost a couple of billion dollars, but the reality was

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<v Speaker 2>the actual cost of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Blows out the longer that it exists.

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<v Speaker 2>The same people who made massive announcements about funding would

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<v Speaker 2>then turn around and just put into the future tens

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<v Speaker 2>of billions of dollars more. There was a government that

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<v Speaker 2>comes in doesn't deliver the former government's promises, they get

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<v Speaker 2>to say cut, cut, cut.

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<v Speaker 1>And around and around and around we go.

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<v Speaker 2>And politicians who are never called out by the media

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<v Speaker 2>for this will they just keep on doing it. And

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.680
<v Speaker 2>politicians who are rewarded by the electorate will just keep

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<v Speaker 2>on doing this. And increasingly governments are immoimmune to those

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<v Speaker 2>of us who are calling them out because they just

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<v Speaker 2>go around what they considered to be the traditional points

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:35.640
<v Speaker 2>of friction, the people who don't just faithfully report whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is that they say, that you are involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the pushback every now and then. Well, a perfect example

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<v Speaker 2>of this is starting to play out in Queensland. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>my beautiful I wish it was home state blood transfusions

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<v Speaker 2>to become a Queenslander.

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<v Speaker 1>You know all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at the last state election, as Stephen Miles was

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<v Speaker 2>desperately trying to hold onto the furniture, he made the

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<v Speaker 2>most ridiculous, over the top excessive promises that we all

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<v Speaker 2>know nobody could pay for. But they were just desperate

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.600
<v Speaker 2>announcements that were in many ways land mindes being put

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<v Speaker 2>in place thousand dollar handout for this, two hundred dollars

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.879
<v Speaker 2>handout for that twenty five dollars reduction. But the asterisk

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<v Speaker 2>every single time on those things was that they weren't permanent.

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<v Speaker 2>They were only for the twelve months to get through

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<v Speaker 2>the election. So slowly but surely, as these things start

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<v Speaker 2>to expire, guess what Stephen Miles is out and about

0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.320
<v Speaker 2>telling anyone who will listen that the evil liberals are

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<v Speaker 2>increasing the cost of insert, increasing the cost of cutting

0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:38.159
<v Speaker 2>to this cutting to that this is part of his

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to scandalize the current government for not delivering on

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.439
<v Speaker 2>the fakest and emptiest of promises that he was making

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<v Speaker 2>trying to save his own backside. An example of it,

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<v Speaker 2>which is in the run up to the budget in

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<v Speaker 2>June of this year, is that Stephen Miles is pushing

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<v Speaker 2>for the permanent power bill handout. This was the thousand

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.960
<v Speaker 2>dollars off your power bills to be paid for by

0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 2>the Queensland taxpayer.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows who cares.

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<v Speaker 2>But because it's not permanent, somehow it's the evil LMP

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<v Speaker 2>who's not giving you what they should. And all of

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:13.760
<v Speaker 2>this relates back to the federal election and relates to

0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 2>politics as it is not as people wish it to be.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no time machine for.

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<v Speaker 2>Us to miraculously go back to a more perfect time

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.840
<v Speaker 2>in Australian politics. We are where we are and we

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 2>can only move forward. The powerful forces that do or

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<v Speaker 2>don't exist again, they always change, and increasingly politicians think

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<v Speaker 2>that they can just go around anyone will ask them

0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:37.320
<v Speaker 2>a tough question and go to a generation of voters

0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.360
<v Speaker 2>who probably aren't engaging with the news, so therefore they

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<v Speaker 2>just follow the leader they like, or they see the

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<v Speaker 2>videos being echoed of the leader they like, and in

0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>the case of Stephen Miles, he is trying to kick

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<v Speaker 2>up an almighty scare campaign, hoping to turn the current

0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 2>good fortunes of the government that is cleaning up the

0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.360
<v Speaker 2>mess that he and Palochet had left in the many

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 2>years before, where their gift to Queensland was all of

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.440
<v Speaker 2>these wind farms and despite your objections, you'll.

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Be able to turn up and have a look at them.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's going on social media and he decided specifically

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.440
<v Speaker 2>to go to a collection of young voters at the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Queensland and he decided to start putting a

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<v Speaker 2>very false premise in front of those people, hoping that

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.119
<v Speaker 2>no one would pay any attention to the detail because

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 2>they didn't for Elbow, so presumably they won't for him.

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<v Speaker 7>Did you heard that the government's just put up Joe

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<v Speaker 7>by twenty four percent?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I have not.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't, No, I have.

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<v Speaker 8>No.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it went down. I put it down. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 9>remember when you Yeah, when you put it twenty percent.

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<v Speaker 9>I was supposed I was supposed to renew it next month. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>that's a bit a bit of a shame.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a lie.

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<v Speaker 9>That's eighty eight bucks a year. What could you do

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<v Speaker 9>with eighty eight bucks?

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<v Speaker 7>Play a lot of bubbletins of that?

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<v Speaker 4>That's like eight weeks of that's true.

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.679
<v Speaker 6>It'd be nicer to say an extra tanker petrol.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, of course, it was a one off promise that

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<v Speaker 2>happened going into an election that fingers crossed. If they won, Okay, fine,

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:05.120
<v Speaker 2>we'll just keep borrowing.

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Who cares.

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 2>But it was a promise that was overtly just for

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 2>one year, overtly made by somebody who was desperately trying

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 2>to change the subject, so.

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<v Speaker 1>To end where I was starting.

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<v Speaker 2>Social media and how it is used is vitally important,

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<v Speaker 2>and the conservative side of politics needs to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to push back, needs to learn how to call bs,

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 2>needs to learn how to do it in the language

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<v Speaker 2>of what will become dominant numbers of voters as years

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<v Speaker 2>roll on. And I think a perfect example of that

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 2>is the Queensland Treasurer who used social media to call

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 2>BS and explain in nice, simple language while why Miles

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:44.879
<v Speaker 2>and Labor are lying?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you heard that the government's just put up road

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Joe by twenty four percent? Nont?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I have not.

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<v Speaker 7>It's getting pretty ridiculous, and you're going to hear some

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 7>pretty silly things from Stephen, Miles and Labor over the

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<v Speaker 7>next month. But time to get the truth on the table.

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 7>Stephen Les was never going to keep the car regio

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<v Speaker 7>discount after September. He never put a dollar in the

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 7>budget for energy rebates, and he certainly never made fifty

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 7>cent fairs permanent.

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<v Speaker 9>That's a bit a bit of a shame.

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<v Speaker 7>What you'll get from us is short term and long

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<v Speaker 7>term cost of living relief and we'll have more to

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<v Speaker 7>say about that in the next month and on Queensland

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<v Speaker 7>Budget Day on the twenty fourth of June.

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<v Speaker 1>Good you've got to push back, you've got to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how I've said about meeting people where they are,

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 2>and some people I roll and think that that's some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of secret lifty code.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, that's what I'm talking about.

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 2>For currently hundreds of thousands, eventually millions of voters, that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the main way that they interact with people.

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>They don't care about the core flutes anymore. Okay, they

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>may not see the radio ads and increasingly, if you

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 2>live in these sorts of information systems where the politicians

0:25:55.920 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>are just unchallenged. There's not even kinder truth that to

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 2>live in those spaces. Well, then, of course, what do

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 2>they say. The lie goes halfway around the world before

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 2>the truth gets a chance to pull its duds on.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the perfect way to fight back. This is

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>how they should have fought.

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Back in the many months and the many weeks of

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the federal election campaign. I don't know if it would

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 2>have changed the answer. It's too late to ever know.

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 2>But to the people who are trying to rebuild things,

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 2>look at good examples of how it's being done, good

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>examples of how to take on lies. Meantime, total focused

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 2>out of floods. We'll do that a lot in the

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<v Speaker 2>next segment as well. We're going to have to chat

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>about to particularly some really smart people who want to

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<v Speaker 2>help you. If you are somebody who's going to get

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 2>dutted by an insurance company, this may not affect you

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 2>because you maybe aren't living in and around the mid

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>north coast of New South Wales right now, but it

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 2>may affect you when a storm flood tree falls on

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>your house comes to your part of the world, probably

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 2>sooner rather than later. Well, then eight hundred properties have

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 2>been deemed uninhabitable. Six and a half thousand damage assessments

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 2>currently being completed in and around these floods. Prime Minister

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 2>was there to and now, you love for all of

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 2>his bagging of John Howard over the years, he is

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 2>just following the playbook two at every time you go

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>out and about you wear the cricket uniform. It's just

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty first century John Howard. And that's why he was

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 2>able to well, perhaps matthen when it comes to electoral appeal,

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 2>not saying that because I like the guy, not saying

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>because I'm changing my opinion of the guy. But of

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>course when the blow turns up and you know, turns

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>up a little bit late, but who cares elections over?

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Who weren't getting the every two hour updates? No, because

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:31.439
<v Speaker 2>he was off in Rome for how many days? Was that?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I just went on and on and

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>on and on and on. Didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very important, very important because of course he's a

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 2>deeply committed person of faith who didn't get sworn in

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 2>by the Bible. Whatever details, details, details, Well, he was

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:48.719
<v Speaker 2>up there today announcing a whole series of special financial

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 2>payments which we'll be given to those who are currently

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 2>in the emergency situation. Is it just me or does

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>this not sound that generous?

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<v Speaker 8>I want to say that we are activating the Australian

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:08.199
<v Speaker 8>Government Disaster Recovery Payment in nine local government areas. This

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 8>payment helps people who have suffered the most serious impacts,

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 8>including a major damage to their home or serious injury

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 8>or loss of a loved one as a result of

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 8>severe weather. It's a one off payment of one thousand

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 8>dollars for eligible adults and four hundred dollars for eligible child.

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 8>This involves as well, comes on top of the support

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:36.199
<v Speaker 8>that is already rolling out, including personal hardship payments one

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 8>hundred and eighty dollars for eligible adults and up to

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 8>nine hundred dollars per family.

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 2>You've just lost your house, here's one hundred and eighty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>An amazing leader who's just a part of Team Australia.

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 2>But if you say Team Australia or you due the

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>flag of Australia cultural war. As the will changes before

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>our very eyes and they write the history and they

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>try to tell us what the future is going to be.

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll be more than happy to be a pebble in

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the blokes shoe if nothing else, will be irritating, but

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>hopefully eventually enough for him to change course. Quick breakback

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 2>with more here on Paul Murray Live. Nigel Ferra's breaking

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>news in the UK. He'll tell you what that news

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 2>is very soon here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 2>watching Tusda up. I've got some information about how you

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>can help the people that are affected by the floods mid.

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>North Coast of New South Wales. I'll get to that

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>website in a second, but let's get right now to.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy Miller, who's the Deputy Mayor of the Mid Coast Council,

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<v Speaker 2>for an update about how things are going.

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<v Speaker 1>Mate.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt that you're running on fumes, but

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>you probably have been for a couple of days now.

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>We've had the scenario where again Prime Minister comes in

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and out, Premiere comes in and out. Great, all fine,

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>fair enough, but we're now in this next phase which

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 2>is particularly difficult, which is some people are not able

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>to return to their homes because they are not allowed

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to live in them. But there's thousands more who've got

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of work to be done. What did you

0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 2>see today?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, what was see out in the streets is the

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 10>power of humanity. It is pretty extraordinary. You know, people

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 10>are just devastated. I saw a friend on Facebook saying

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 10>her mum's in hospital in Newcastle, having regular you know

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 10>whatever she's doing in the hospital there. And while she's there,

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 10>she's got an email saying her house is unhabitable. She

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 10>can't go back in it, she can't get her belongings,

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 10>you know, so what she's supposed to do. So I

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 10>know that places are being inspected now to see if

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 10>people if it is safe to go back in, and

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 10>we're finding in about a quarter of the houses it's

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 10>not safe. So at the moment it's in the hundreds

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 10>of houses, but will end up in the thousands of houses.

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 10>But people that just need somewhere to go because they

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 10>just simply can't return to their houses. For the people

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 10>who can return to their houses, I was helping a

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 10>woman in Glenthorne right by the river, you know, with

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 10>the mud halfway.

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Up at kitchen, halfway up at walls.

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 10>She's just going to rip out all the jiprok in

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 10>our house. And it's you know, you know, for amovie,

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 10>your shoes when you go in, because the whole house

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 10>is just mud up to about, you know, knee high.

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 10>It's pretty devastating for people.

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 2>So can not all streets, not all houses are created equal.

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 2>But what happens when somebody goes and sees a joint

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 2>that's full of mud? Is there a cleaning crew that's

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>got obviously neighbors and everyone's helping. But in terms of

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the official stuff, is there a cleaning crew that goes

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>through and with brushes they just push as much of

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 2>it out as possible?

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Are they?

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Because of the nature of things, it's easier to pressure

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 2>wash stuff out, Like what's the stuff that they can do?

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Give us an idea again, if we're talking about you

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 2>know number twelve, number fourteen sixteen eighteen in Smith.

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 10>Street, Sure, well, this one's house. We were out of

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 10>glenh On. The first issue was to get the chainsaw

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 10>and just move the enormous trees that were blocking access

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 10>into the house. And you know, for the sparky be

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 10>able to get to the power board. You know, just

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 10>physical access is impossible because of the quantum of what's

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 10>being washed up against these houses. You know, the power

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 10>of nature is just incredibly You look at some of

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 10>those trees and go, how did that even get moved

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 10>over to that house there, so digging through the sort

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 10>of the muck and the trees to the house the

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 10>first problem.

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>So you're in.

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 10>Of course, it's devastating to open your front door and

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 10>just find there's just it's just mud and silt. So

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 10>we end up, you know, getting a shovel and getting

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 10>as much out as you can and then yes, you

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 10>hope at the inside of your house ripping up, but

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 10>getting at any vinyl and then you've just got to

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 10>tear off any jip rock up to wherever the waterlane

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 10>came up to, because you're not going to save that,

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 10>so any electricals and jip rock up to that line.

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 10>You know, it's just physical, hard work, and we're very happy.

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 10>There's been hundreds of SES volunteers. There's been some doing

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 10>and throwing about whether the army is coming, but apparently

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 10>the army is now coming or on the ground or

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 10>about to be on the ground. So what we need

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 10>is hands, and really what we need is heavy machinery,

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 10>because I've been hearing from a lot of farmers that

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 10>are saying, look, it doesn't matter how many extra hands

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 10>I get to come down and help me. What I

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 10>need is bulldozers and big heavy machinery to move, you know,

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 10>just the force of nature that's come through and devastated it.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's a thing where I mean, if there

0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 2>are people that are watching, if there are farmers that

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>are watching from other parts of the country that might

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 2>be able and want to help. Is that the sort

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 2>of thing that you know, if you've got something to offer,

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>you offer it through counsel or do you offer it

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 2>through the sees through disaster recovery? What's the best way

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 2>If you're sitting right now, everything's fine around you and

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you can probably do without the dozer for a week,

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>what's the best way to.

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Get in touch.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, we're seeing a lot of people who were just

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 10>turning up. You know, there was a guy working beside

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 10>me down at the Saloess who's driven all the way

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 10>from Melbourne NonStop just to come and help. And that's fantastic.

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 10>But if you're coming to site, see please don't come

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 10>because you know the place is pretty full and we're

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 10>just trying to get people to where they need to

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 10>be so we don't need extra traffic and extra site

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 10>sees around. But if you do want to give, then

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 10>there's a site called give It dot org, dot AU,

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 10>which is the one that the newsopolask, government asks you

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 10>to support, and counsel ask you to support. We give

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 10>it you can match. So there are people on there saying, look,

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 10>I just need some size five shoes for my kids,

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 10>and so you can go on and give it and say, well,

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 10>I have size five shoes for kids, and you can

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 10>make sure that your goods get to where they need

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 10>to be, because what we've seen from previous disasters is

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 10>sort of well meaning people. You end up with a

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 10>warehouse full of stuff that you don't know what to

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 10>do with. All you want to make sure is the

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 10>right stuff is getting to the people who need it,

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 10>and you're not giving things that people don't need right now.

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 10>So give it is a good way just to match

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:09.720
<v Speaker 10>that good stuff.

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Jeremy, really appreciate it. Look, I know it's

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 2>dot some bold stuff. I know it's become your every day,

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.359
<v Speaker 2>but I want everyone around the country to understand what's

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.399
<v Speaker 2>going not just you know, focus on it for half

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a day or isn't that terrible? Move on, Let's stick

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>with it for the next oft the while. Thank you, Jeremy,

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 2>Strength and love to everyone in your community. Now we've

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.399
<v Speaker 2>spoken to Christy Evans before. Christy is a lawyer who

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 2>certainly knows how to go to battle with a it's cursing,

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>my apologies, go to battle with insurance companies, she joins us. Now, hello, mate,

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>now let's talk about this process. Now, where say you're

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 2>in one of these scenarios where your house is you

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 2>just can't get back to, and then there's going to

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 2>be a whole series of disputes that are.

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Going to start to take place.

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 2>How do we make sure that people don't get screwed

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>over by lots of different systems that are going to

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 2>say they're there to help, but they don't do much.

0:34:58.640 --> 0:34:58.839
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 4>Look, the people have me know it's co stepping into

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 4>a broken system. We know that they're about to have

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 4>the odds stacked up against them. We want to make

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.879
<v Speaker 4>sure that they're lodging early, they're lodging fast, and that

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 4>they are continuing to pursue claims even if that denial comes.

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 2>So give me an idea here again, if they're all

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.439
<v Speaker 2>right now about ten thousand different properties. Most importantly, first

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 2>things first, as you say, don't wait file a paperwork,

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 2>do it all, do it all tonight. If you can,

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 2>why is it better to put it in now versus

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.239
<v Speaker 2>wait a couple of days when maybe you get your

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>power back and you can start to do it.

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, we know insurers are stretched, we know that they're

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 4>going to have limited resources for loss of justice hydrologists.

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 4>We need these people to hit the region as soon

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.879
<v Speaker 4>as they can. So the faster lodge, the faster we're

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 4>spurring insurers into action.

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>And Christy, how do you what advice do you have

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to help people go through this process? Because obviously you're

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to handhold everyone through it.

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 2>But what are some of the pitfalls that we could

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>give as general information tonight for people who are about to,

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.240
<v Speaker 2>as you say, jump into this broken system.

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 4>The second you lodge your claim with your insurer, you

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 4>are building a case. You are building a case to

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 4>have your insurance policy approved by the insurer. Do not

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 4>convertly say things if you do not know they occurred,

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 4>if you were not there. You do not know the

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 4>color of the water when it entered your premises, and

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 4>you do not know how it entered your premises, whether

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 4>it came through the roof or through the floor. If

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 4>you were not there, you cannot say. The insurers will

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 4>be building a case from the outset. So it's really

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 4>important that you are not conceding anything. And if you

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 4>do not understand the question, simply ask them to put

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 4>it in writing and you will answer it later.

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, Good stuff.

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Now again when you say, because inevitably, when you're either

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>sitting on the phone or you're filling things out, as

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:56.439
<v Speaker 2>you say, don't guess work, don't do things, don't say

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 2>things in your claim that can be easily disproved. Which

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 2>does I mean anyone's trying to lie, But as you say,

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 2>people are just it's pretty obvious, right. I woke up

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday, everything was okay. Then I was in an

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 2>evacuation center, and then two days later I came back

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and the things filled with the flood.

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:13.359
<v Speaker 1>So what did I see on TV that night?

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 4>Exactly? I don't know. I don't know if the water

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 4>was muddy when it entered my premises. I don't know

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 4>where it came from, if it came out of drains.

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 4>You cannot say it. You know that water entered your premises,

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.840
<v Speaker 4>and you will be building an argument with your insurer

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 4>because it may be the case that they're going to

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:33.240
<v Speaker 4>rely on over technical arguments in their product disclosure statements

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 4>to overturn your claim and deny it.

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, so give us an idea. Again, we've

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>talked before about the broken system. What's some of the

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>stuff that is so obvious that needs to be fixed

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 2>That last time we talked was clear when you went

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 2>through it yourself years ago, it was clear. Every politician

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 2>you've ever talked to sits there and nods their head.

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>But the one big broken bit that they just never change.

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 4>Insures aren't how to account. That's the blanket thing. They're

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.760
<v Speaker 4>not held to account. We go through a system where

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 4>you've got your average punter who's trying to pursue their claim.

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 4>If they constantly get a denial, they face a secondary

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 4>trauma all over again, and they get worn out. Even

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 4>if they lodge a complaint to AFCA or are the

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 4>government government bodies, it's a shut you know, it's a

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 4>slap on the rest. It might be a public shaming,

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 4>but we're still seeing insurance with record Crawfords.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Kirsty, thank you so much. I really do appreciate it.

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I want people to have as much information as possible

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 2>and again, well this may not be specific to you tonight.

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 2>There is a bushfire that's coming in a few months time,

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a flood in two years time. There's something that's

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 2>going to fall on your house, on your car. Kirsty Evans,

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much, really do appreciate it. Quick breakback

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>with more Niga farrage in a few moments time. Plenty

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to say between now and then he's breaking news of

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 2>the UK.

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>He will do so with us in moments. I promise

0:38:57.960 --> 0:38:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Niger frash be here in a second.

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Which the dots between here and our London studio. In

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 2>the meantime, couple of things to tell you about, which

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 2>is Jackie Lamby back for another six years. In Australian politics. Sadly,

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Lee Hanson not able to beat Herbert Geess. They got close,

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 2>she got the final spot on the Tasmania or sorry,

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 2>I think the fifth spot on.

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>The Tasmanian Senate results today.

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Slowly but surely, we've heard from South Australia, we've heard

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 2>from Tasmania. We'll see what happens when it comes to

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Victoria and Queensland. Those are places where one nation, so

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe a shot at the last spot in Victoria

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and obviously Malcolm Roberts, particularly with a big shot in Queensland.

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 2>We'll tell you more of those as they come across

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>our desk. But it's not just the only news. When

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>it came to Senate results in South Australia, there is

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 2>a new senator for the Labor Party and she is

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty one years of age. She's got in because of

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the Labor vote in South Australia being so strong. Her

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 2>name is Charlotte Walker. Now really good that our parliament

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 2>has people of all different ages, all different experiences. That's

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 2>good for democracy. What I will be fascinated about. And

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything about Charlotte Walker, and I hope

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 2>she has a wonderful political future in front of her.

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:08.439
<v Speaker 2>But is she going to fall into the same trap

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 2>to say, a fatima payment somebody maybe not assumed to

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>make it.

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe who was there?

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Remember she made it onto the last spot in the

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Western Australian Senate election with the Labour Party at the

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>last election, and we all know that she ended up

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 2>sort of spinning off into her own world. Maybe, And

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I hope that that's not the case for somebody like

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Charlotte who if she spends the time learning from the

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.279
<v Speaker 2>people around her will of course only become stronger in

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party, and we'll find out what her career

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 2>is like and we'll watch it all in real time meantime.

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Zoey Daniel, Oh, Zoey Daniel. Here she was on election

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 2>night celebrating winning, but as we know, she didn't. In fact,

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Tim Wilson has won by a couple hundred votes in

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the seat of Goldstein, and as you may will have

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:00.720
<v Speaker 2>heard by now, there is going to be a partial

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 2>recount because she says there's a few anomalies which I

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 2>think is getting.

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Very close to stop the steel talk.

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, look, I know this story is from yesterday

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.399
<v Speaker 2>and you've already heard it, but it does just give

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 2>me an excuse to play her dancing again when she

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>thought she had won.

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>That's just cotuitous.

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm a couple of bits of health information which

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 2>you're worth talking about as well today, including indometriosis, something

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 2>that affects so many women around the country, and a

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 2>private family have decided to donate the single largest donation two.

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Research in this particular area.

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.400
<v Speaker 2>A Sydney university says it has received the single largest

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 2>donation for indometriosis research in the world. A donation of

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 2>fifty million dollars to the University of New South Wales

0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 2>will establish the Ainsworth Indometriosis Research Instance. The goal is

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 2>accelerating breakthroughs in diagnosis and creating precision based treatments. It

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.839
<v Speaker 2>is an investment that one sorry, it's estimated that one

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>in seven Australian women have the medical condition by the

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 2>age of forty four, but there are still major delays

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the diagnosis and treatment. The average

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>time for a diagnosis now is about seven years. Also

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 2>good news for little people with ADHD. Gps in New

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 2>South Wales are going to be given a greater capacity

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>to be able to diagnose and treat By safely training

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 2>more gps to treat and diagnose AUDHD, we are hoping

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 2>to break the cycle of people having to wait years

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>for what can be a life altering diagnosis. I had

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>the most beautiful conversation with somebody who've been through that

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 2>process in Kansas a couple of days ago.

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Hell, I've done and I'm glad you're always watching.

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 2>That's what Chris Minn says that not getting diagnosed can

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 2>they particularly big impacts on kids when it comes to

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 2>trying to get the most out of their life. So

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>that's a good one. And the last one here is

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>that electricity may well play a role in treating can

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 2>answer according to one of the companies that's doing this

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:08.399
<v Speaker 2>and oncology company, that we're leveraging the electrical properties from

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 2>cancer cells and they know that technology can disrupt electrical

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:16.280
<v Speaker 2>forces at play and sell division to slow down tumor growth.

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Again direct quote.

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>We think our bodies, we think of our bodies as

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.920
<v Speaker 2>being biological beings as well as chemical beings, but we

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.240
<v Speaker 2>are also electrical beings.

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:27.320
<v Speaker 1>See that's why you've got to be here each and

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 1>every night.

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 2>There's the politics, there's the wondering out lad, and there's

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 2>some good news about where we're going when it comes

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 2>to our health.

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>We're on a sec here on Pull my.

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Re Live, I'm pretty sure we'll get Nigel Farage. I

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 2>hope it all works. But in the meantime there is

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully on your Telly next.

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 5>His time for the man who's never.

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Boring and making huge news is we we're getting ready

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 2>for the show tonight. There I am seeing him on one, two,

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 2>three feeds from the United Kingdom, all of them in

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 2>breaking News where he's, among other things, just challenge the

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister one on one debate in a workers club

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 2>in the Red Wall. Nigel Frar, the leader of Reform

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Joints US now from the UK. Today's a big day

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 2>because you are stepping up and absolutely taking the fight

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 2>to the government. We know the polls have put you

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 2>in a position to either be very close or in

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 2>front of the government. Do you consider yourselves to be

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 2>the opposition now?

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 10>Oh?

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.359
<v Speaker 9>The Conservative Party have been around for two hundred years.

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 9>They are melting away, they're disappearing. They are I think

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 9>reaping as they sewed because they promised they cut immigration,

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 9>they led it to record levels. It's made the country poorer.

0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 9>And yeah, we have now replaced the Conservative Party. You

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 9>saw that of course on May the first with the

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 9>English local elections, and now labor are really scared of us.

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 9>The Prime Minister has been busy attacking me for the

0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 9>last few weeks and so today I thought I'd return

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 9>the favor.

0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:58.799
<v Speaker 2>And I like that you've gone straight at him saying

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what, rather than you know, don't go behind

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 2>my bag, don't do the passive aggressive thing in parliament,

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 2>don't do it in you know, favored studios of the BBC.

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.359
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to ride into the heart of working men

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 2>and women country and look each other in the eye.

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:14.839
<v Speaker 1>So what's the challenge you've got through?

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:19.919
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I said, Look, let's go to a working man's

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 9>club in a former mining area in the north of

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 9>England and let's do a head to head debate in

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 9>front of an audience of men and women who come

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 9>from those communities, communities that have been labor mostly since

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 9>the end of World War One, and let's see how

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.319
<v Speaker 9>we get on. And I did say, I wasn't sure

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.319
<v Speaker 9>whether the Prime Minister enjoyed a few pints or having

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 9>a bet on the afternoon's horse racing, but.

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I certainly do.

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 9>And let's see, because you know he says Labor are

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.439
<v Speaker 9>the party of the workers. Well you know what I think,

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.399
<v Speaker 9>Reform are now the party of the workers. And this

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 9>would be a very good acid test. So let's hope

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 9>he takes me up on it.

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>And this is fascinating because we're in this scenario where

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 2>I always love, you know, these establishment parties like Labor

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 2>in the UK here or there. It's not really about

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.920
<v Speaker 2>the work here, it's about the union. It's about the organization.

0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 2>It's about the power structures, not the people that get

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 2>screwed over by many of the decisions made by those

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.359
<v Speaker 2>including you've come out and said that you would pull

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<v Speaker 2>the UK out of net zero promises by twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very active debate in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you want to do it for the UK?

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<v Speaker 9>Because what we've done in the name of that zero

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<v Speaker 9>is we have pushed wind and solar, for which China,

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<v Speaker 9>by the way, say thank you very much. We've subsidized

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 9>it like crazy. It doesn't work without subsidy. We've put

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 9>that onto bills. We now have the most expensive commercial

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<v Speaker 9>energy prices in the world. And I sit and watch

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<v Speaker 9>every week as Britain d industrializes, as huge numbers of

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 9>people lose their jobs, and as ordinary families have to

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<v Speaker 9>pay up to twenty percent extra for their electricity bills

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:06.880
<v Speaker 9>to subsidize foreign companies and manufacturers for something that is

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<v Speaker 9>making almost no difference to global carbon dioxide outputs. The

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<v Speaker 9>whole thing is mad. It's like a new religion. Everybody agrees.

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<v Speaker 9>I've dared to come along and challenge it, and do

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<v Speaker 9>you know what the silent majority are now with me?

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<v Speaker 2>I said this out of respect and obviously people like

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<v Speaker 2>myself love the United Kingdom, But what is the level

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<v Speaker 2>of madness that we see where things like what happened

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<v Speaker 2>in Liverpool yesterday. What do you think of when you

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<v Speaker 2>see something like that where people who are celebrating footy,

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<v Speaker 2>celebrating their favorite football team get mowed down by some

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 2>bloke in a cart.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, they were out celebrating. I mean, Liverpool have had

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<v Speaker 9>a great season. While I'm here, I must mention Crystal

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:55.920
<v Speaker 9>Potters did win the FA Cup, my team, first thing

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<v Speaker 9>we've ever won. But it was a happy day. And

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know what the motives of this bloke were.

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<v Speaker 9>The rumors are that he came out of a club,

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<v Speaker 9>that he was very, very drunk. I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 9>But it's horrible, it's awful. But it also shows a

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<v Speaker 9>failure of the authorities. How with a huge crowd was

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<v Speaker 9>a car allowed to get anywhere near a street full

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<v Speaker 9>of people? So perhaps, in some ways is yet another

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<v Speaker 9>example of broken Britain. Things just aren't working here anymore.

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<v Speaker 9>We need to turn it around. We can turn it around,

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<v Speaker 9>and that's why I a year ago came back into

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<v Speaker 9>politics I believe we can do a lot lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>It's extraordinary that a year later you've got to not

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<v Speaker 2>just the seats in Parliament, you've got so many local councils.

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<v Speaker 1>The polls are on your side. And I've got to say,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're surging from a very long way away,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously due to technology. Looking you in the eyeah

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<v Speaker 2>and every Tuesday night, is you take on things like

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<v Speaker 2>the cost of having kids. I love that in your

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<v Speaker 2>speech today you talked about the difficulties people have about

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<v Speaker 2>whether they want to expand the population naturally, and that

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<v Speaker 2>people literally are frightened sometimes about expanding because of how

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<v Speaker 2>expensive it is to have a kid these days.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, having a kid's dear childcare, of course if you

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<v Speaker 9>go back to work is wildly expensive, and a lot

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 9>of people just aren't having kids, and we think we

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<v Speaker 9>can replace that by mass foreign, low skilled immigration, which

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<v Speaker 9>actually makes us poorer. What I said today was perhaps

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<v Speaker 9>not fashionable, but it's this. Children that grow up in

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<v Speaker 9>a married family with a mum and dad through to

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<v Speaker 9>maturity have better life chances than those that don't. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>not moralizing. I don't want to be the Archbishop of Canterbury.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm just stating a simple fact, and it's been unfashionable

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<v Speaker 9>to champion the family. We've been all about diversity for

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<v Speaker 9>the last few decades. But let's face the truth. Actually

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<v Speaker 9>family matters. A marriage it does. I mean, my own

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<v Speaker 9>track records not great, I admit, but marriage actually matters,

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<v Speaker 9>and bringing kids up in a stable environment matters, and

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<v Speaker 9>giving people the confidence to have children, if we can

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<v Speaker 9>do that through the tax system, must.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a good thing.

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<v Speaker 9>And today was the first time I already opened up

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<v Speaker 9>on this, Paul, but I'm going to go on doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Good man, Thank you, Nigel. We'll talk to you again

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<v Speaker 1>next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for making time for us today on top of

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<v Speaker 2>what has been an already very big day. That's our

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<v Speaker 2>show for tonight. We'll see when Meg and Kelly tomorrow night,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Late Debate is now