1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: A note before we start. This episode contains descriptions of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: violence from the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Christian Amiot. It's Wednesday, January fifteenth. Australia's Special Envoy to 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: combat anti Semitism has called on Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: to convene the National Cabinet to tackle the surge in 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Jewish hatred. In an extraordinary intervention, Gillian Siegel urged federal 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: and state leaders to beef up their police and judicial 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: responses to anti Semitic attacks. A thirteen year old boy 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: has been charged with attempted murder after he allegedly stabbed 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: a sixty three year old woman at a supermarket in Ipswich, 11 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: but the Queensland Government's promised to get a handle on 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: youth crime could fail thanks to a legal technicality. That's 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: today's episode. It was a hot one in Ipswich on Monday. 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: The city, located about forty kilometers southwest of the Brisbane CBD, 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: is home to about two hundred and fifty thousand people, 16 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: and it was on that steamy afternoon that one of them, 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: a sixty three year old woman, was going about her 18 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: business at the Coals Supermarket at the Yamanto Central Shopping Center. 19 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: She would have felt a searing pain as a knife 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: was violently and unexpectedly thrust into her back. It's not 21 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: known if she interacted with the alleged thirteen year old 22 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: perpetrator before the incident occurred. Security guards and shoppers stopped 23 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: the boy as he allegedly attempted to flee the scene, 24 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: holding him until police arrived. The woman was rushed to 25 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: Brisbane's Princess Alexandra Hospital with the knife still in her back. 26 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: She's still there in the hospital's intensive care unit in 27 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: a critical but stable condition. Now, as Queensland as grapple 28 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: with this apparently random act of violence, the state's new 29 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: adult crime adult time laws are facing their first big test. 30 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: We heard a lot during the election campaign about adult 31 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: crime adult time, and the now Premier, David Chrisofully promised 32 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: all through the election that they would be law by Christmas. 33 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Lydia Lynch is a Queensland political reporter with The Australian. 34 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 2: So Those laws passed on December twelve, and they were 35 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: assented on December thirteen. 36 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Adult crime adult time is now a reality in Queensland, 37 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: with the premier, one step closer to fulfilling a key 38 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: election promise. 39 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: Usually in Queensland we have about a six week period 40 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: of time where laws are assessed. Because we don't have 41 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: an upper house here, there's no Senate, so there's extra 42 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: levels of scrutiny that are applied to legislation. But given 43 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: he had promised to have the laws passed by Christmas, 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: the public consultation period was shortened to just one week 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: and some of the warnings that were given by stakeholders 46 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: and the now opposition is that there might be some 47 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: unintended consequences in the law that weren't properly examined. So 48 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: they came into effect December thirteen, so it's alleged crimes 49 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: committed after that, and there are thirteen different offenses that 50 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: are covered. There were things like manslaughter, grievous bodily harm, 51 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: dangerous operation of a vehicle, burglary, robbery, and what the 52 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: legislation did was it put a mandatory minimum sentence, which 53 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: we have for adults here in Queensland. So you might 54 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: have a crime where a child's the maximum sentence was 55 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: five years and for an adults it was ten years. 56 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: So just bringing that into line. So it'll be interesting 57 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: to see what happens through the courts because often when 58 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: a judge's sentencing, they might not always enforce a maximum 59 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: sentence unless the crimes particularly heinous. 60 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: On Tuesday, less than three months after he won the 61 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: top job, Premier David Chrisafoley said, this latest incident proves 62 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: why the new laws are necessary. 63 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: I reflect that this incident has occurred so close and 64 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: within a year of what we saw happen to Violin White, 65 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: and there's a sense of deja vous for the state 66 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: and is exactly the coins of incidents that Queenslanders have. 67 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: Had enough of. 68 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: Seventy year old grandmother Violin White, was killed during an 69 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: alleged carjacking in Redbank, planes west of Brisbane in early 70 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. A sixteen year old boy was arrested 71 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: and charged with murder, unlawful use of a motor vehicle 72 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: and three counts of stealing. He will be held in 73 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: custody until a judge decides if he should face trial. 74 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: But that alleged incident isn't subject to the new adult 75 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: crime adult time laws because it occurred before December. 76 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 4: My resolve to dealing with it is as strong as ever, 77 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: and I want Queenslanders to know how much we understand 78 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: that instance like this just rock the fabric of who 79 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 4: we are. 80 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: The thirteen year old alleged perpetrator of the Ipswich stabbing 81 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: was remanded in custody on Monday night and by Tuesday 82 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: morning he'd been charged with attempted murder. Shortly after, he 83 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: faced Ipswich Children's Court, where the matter will return on 84 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: February twenty five. If the boy were to be convicted 85 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: and sentenced like an adult for his alleged crime, he 86 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: could be facing a hefty sentence. 87 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: If a child is as young as eleven and they 88 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: found guilty of murder, they'll face a mandatory minimum life sentence, 89 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: which is twenty years in Queensland, and that's the same 90 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: as an adult. For the other twelve offenses listed in 91 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: the legislation, things like grievous bodily harm, serious assault. They 92 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: really just lifted the maximum penalties. For example, previously, if 93 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: a child was found guilty of committing grievous bodily harm, 94 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: the maximum sentence they could face was seven years. Under 95 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: the new laws, they can face fourteen years. 96 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: But the thing is this particular crime attempt to murder 97 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: isn't covered by the government's new laws, meaning this alleged 98 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: perpetrator could evade adult sentencing on a technicality. We'll have 99 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: more on that after the break. On Tuesday, David Chris 100 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: A Foley was asked why attempted murder wasn't included in 101 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: the first tranche of adult crime Adult time legislation. 102 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: We implemented the changes that we took to the election. 103 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: There will be more changes to the youth justice sect, 104 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: many more. It was it took to the people of 105 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: Queensland's as we've been putting that expert panel together to 106 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: work out exactly what future wage those changes was like, 107 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: and believe me, they will occur. 108 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: The Queensland Premier rejected suggestions this latest incident, the allegedly 109 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: unprovoked stabbing of a woman in her sixties at any 110 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: Ipswich supermarket, means Queenslanders aren't safer under his government. But 111 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: the question now is how will voters feel if the 112 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: long promised crime crackdown falls over at the first hurdle. 113 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: Here's Lydia Lynch. 114 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: It's been an issue in the regions for a number 115 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: of years, but the issue of youth crime really became 116 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: a statewide, central political issue during the last term of government, 117 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: and it was all driven by David chris A Fully 118 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: who was then the opposition later, who was really focused 119 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: on targeting what he called this youth crime crisis that 120 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: was spinning out of control. He spoke about how Labor 121 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: had made changes to the law ten years ago and 122 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: that had created this new generation of young people that 123 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: felt they were untouchable by the law. 124 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: We want youth criminals to understand that the days of 125 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: their rights being greater than the rights of the victim 126 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: are I think of the past. 127 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: During the campaign, he promised that he would resign as 128 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: Premiere if there was not a reduction in the number 129 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: of crime victims in Queensland during his first four year term. 130 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: So this isn't just any old political issue in Queensland. 131 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: This is really make or break for David chris A 132 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: Fully and he has promised voters to address it. This 133 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: latest alleged crime might have some questions being thrown up 134 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: for people about whether these adult crime adult time laws 135 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: will actually lead to a reduction in youth crime. We've 136 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: spoken to some lawyers and stakeholders who say harsher penalties 137 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: aren't actually going to fix the problem or lead to 138 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: a reduction in youth crime, because they don't address the 139 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: root causes of why people are going out and offending, 140 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: whether that's drug addiction or they might come from a 141 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: really difficult home facing. The Premier has said that he 142 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: wants to invest more in early intervention as well, so 143 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see how this plays out over 144 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: the next year or two to see whether or not 145 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 2: there really is a change in crime, because that's what 146 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: he has promised to do. 147 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: Lydia Lynch is a Queensland political reporter with The Australian. 148 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: You can read all the latest on this story, as 149 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: well as all the nation's best news, sport, politics and 150 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: business right now at the Australian dot com dot au