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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: James Hunter, known as Crackers, vanished without a trace in

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Speaker 2: early twenty twenty. The last confirmed sighting was at a

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Speaker 2: pharmacy and Dubbo on February twenty eight days earlier, he

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Speaker 2: made what would be his final bank transaction. Since then,

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Speaker 2: for more than two thousand days, there's been silence. James

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Speaker 2: was fifty two years old. He lived on the move,

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Speaker 2: traveling through country towns across western New South Wales. To some,

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Speaker 2: his lifestyle seemed restless. To those who knew him best,

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Speaker 2: it was simply who he was, charismatic, unpredictable and deeply caring.

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Speaker 2: In March twenty twenty two, two years after he disappeared,

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Speaker 2: James's blue toy at a highlux was discovered abandon on

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Speaker 2: a rural property, a chilling development, yet still no answers.

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Speaker 2: Police launched a strike force, deploying high tech drones and

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Speaker 2: combing through thousands of images across a vast farmland. Nothing

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Speaker 2: for his family, especially Marie, who's carried the search forward.

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Speaker 2: The pain is not only in James's disappearance, but in

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Speaker 2: the uncertainty. This is ambiguous loss, the torment of living

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Speaker 2: without knowing whether someone you love is alive or dead,

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Speaker 2: safe or harmed. In this episode, Marie helps us peace

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Speaker 2: James's story together, who he was, the life he lived,

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Speaker 2: and why finding out what happened to him matters.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the Missing Matter today. I am

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Speaker 1: very blessed to be speaking to someone I regard as

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Speaker 1: a friend. Her name is Marie Farrell and she has

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Speaker 1: been working tirelessly on helping find her friend, James Hunter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Marie, Hi, sal how are you going? I thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. Oh, You're absolutely welcome, and I'm

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Speaker 1: so pleased that you're here in this space because you've

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Speaker 1: been doing an amazing job to keep awareness and help

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Speaker 1: find James and find out what has happened to him.

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Speaker 1: So welcome to the Missing Matter.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so.

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Speaker 1: James Hunter is also known as Crackers, was last seen

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Speaker 1: on the twenty eighth of February twenty twenty at a

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Speaker 1: pharmacy on Macquary Street in dub New South Wales. So

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Speaker 1: his last bank transaction was on February twenty eighth, and

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Speaker 1: we believe it was at the pharmacy. Sadly, James has

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Speaker 1: been missing twenty and twenty days. Marie, can you please

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Speaker 1: share with us who James is to you and to

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Speaker 1: your family.

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Speaker 3: So to me, he's only my friend. He was my

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Speaker 3: former partner of many years.

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Speaker 4: He raised my daughter as his own and even when

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Speaker 4: we separated, that bond remained. Even though we had our

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Speaker 4: times of up and down, he remained that constant and

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Speaker 4: was always there for her and for me if I

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Speaker 3: And to our family, he's part of the family.

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Speaker 4: He's poppy to the grandchildren and that's just how it was.

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Speaker 4: Even though he was in and out sporadically, he was

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Speaker 1: So he was fifty two at the time, he would

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Speaker 1: now be fifty six. He was a resident of Newcastle

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Speaker 1: and had traveled extensively through rural properties in western New

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Speaker 3: He also spent a lot of time in the northern

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Speaker 1: And you've mentioned to me before that he had a

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Speaker 1: transient lifestyle. What's your understanding about his work and his

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Speaker 1: travel movements around the time he disappeared to.

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Speaker 4: Be honest, I really don't know anything at all, so

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Speaker 4: I didn't know where he was or what he was doing.

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Speaker 4: I thought he was just off doing Jammus things. I

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Speaker 4: call him Jamas. He would always drop things to do

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Speaker 4: something else, depending on what happened, what happened on the phone.

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Speaker 4: So mining, he loved to mine, but if something else

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Speaker 4: something else. If he was home and you know, he

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Speaker 3: That was just how he was.

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Speaker 4: He just couldn't stay in one place for a long time, really,

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Speaker 4: and even when we were together, he would often go away.

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Speaker 3: He'd be away a lot.

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Speaker 1: And so you said, it was pretty typical for him

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Speaker 4: So obviously COVID was on during that time, so I

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Speaker 4: guess for me, I thought that he was just settled

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Speaker 3: And then I kept wondering why we hadn't heard from him.

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Speaker 4: Even though at times our conversations wouldn't be so nice.

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Speaker 3: You know, we'd still talk to each other, you know, it.

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Speaker 4: Would just be dropped overnight and we'd be back to

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Speaker 3: But I didn't hear from him, and I kept wondering

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Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, I found out that

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Speaker 4: finding that out, we'd realized that it had been almost

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Speaker 4: two years since anyone had seen him. By the time

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Speaker 1: And do you know who it was who listed him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so a family member listed him missing.

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Speaker 4: It was with reluctance that they did that because they

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Speaker 4: did think he would turn back up, but as he

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Speaker 4: they felt that it was time to report him missing.

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Speaker 4: So that was in July twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: I don't really.

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Speaker 4: Think people understand or appreciate how hard it is to

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Speaker 3: It's really hard to even backtrack your own movements.

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Speaker 4: Like if I said to you, so, what did you

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Speaker 4: do on a Tuesday four months ago? You know, there's

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Speaker 3: Without really thinking about it, or.

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Speaker 1: Unless you kept a diary, time stamping and things like that.

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Speaker 3: Was so long ago.

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Speaker 4: And then I reached out to, you know, some of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then when I.

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Speaker 4: Did contact the police, I was basically told at that

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Speaker 3: And that's before they had any information on anything.

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Speaker 1: And so do we know who the last person was

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Speaker 4: So I know that friends of his saw him in

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Speaker 4: know that that's a definite. He spoke to his mum

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Speaker 4: on the twenty fifth of January and said he was

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Speaker 4: sorry that he didn't come home for Christmas and that he.

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Speaker 3: Talked to us soon. So that's the last that we

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Speaker 4: James had injured his hand in Lightning Ridge early in

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Speaker 3: He heard it pretty badly.

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Speaker 4: So my understanding is that a mate of his got

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Speaker 4: him from Lightning Ridge to Walgurt and then for whatever reason,

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Speaker 4: got from Walbot somehow to Dubbo. So I'm guessing that

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Speaker 4: he went via the property at Mendor and where the

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Speaker 1: From there, And there's a record of him going to

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Speaker 1: the hospital, isn't there.

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Speaker 4: No, he definitely had surgery on his hand. He needed

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Speaker 4: physiotherapy on his hand. He had to have physio at

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Speaker 1: And so just as a side note, when I was

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we've been talking for a long time

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Speaker 1: noticed that on the National Missing Person's Coordination Center's website

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Speaker 1: they've got him listed as the twenty fifth of January

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yeah, I just wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about that, because I find like, even just looking at

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Speaker 1: soon as he comes back in, everything's just like it

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Speaker 1: hang on, it's been a while now since I've spoken

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Speaker 1: to him or seen him. But there's so many dates

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Speaker 1: in this isn't emory, like it must be just meddling

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Speaker 3: To it does.

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Speaker 4: So, I think in the very beginning they use that

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Speaker 4: We do know that that's not the date that someone last.

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Speaker 1: Saw him, you know, yeah, because that was the date

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Speaker 3: So we do know that he was seen in February

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't know what he was up to.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what his movements were. He kept me

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Speaker 4: a need to know basis. Basically, with Jamas very private

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Speaker 4: on his movements, hence the factor, you know, like I'm

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Speaker 4: pretty private with what I do on the Facebook page

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Speaker 4: because I'm trying to respect that side of him as well.

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Speaker 3: He would not like any of this at all.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I'm the same with mom. Like my

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Speaker 1: mum certainly wouldn't like people talking about her being married

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Speaker 1: relationships with men and their comments that come out. But

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Speaker 1: unfortunately it gets to a point where you have to

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Speaker 1: let people in so that we can actually start trying

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Speaker 1: to work out what's happened. Right.

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Speaker 4: See, if anyone knows Jamas, they would know one hundred

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Speaker 4: and twenty percent that he's got his own voice, you know, life,

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Speaker 4: I am the last person in the world he would

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Speaker 4: want to be his voice at the end of the day.

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Speaker 4: If he was out there, I know he would stop

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Speaker 4: this because because of exactly that.

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Speaker 1: You know, and this is hard on you. This is

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Speaker 1: I see you, and I hear you, and I know

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Speaker 1: this is hard for you. So I think you're doing

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Speaker 1: good things, okay, you know, I think James would be

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Speaker 1: very grateful that you care as much as you do,

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Speaker 1: because that's what this is all about, right. We're not

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Speaker 1: doing this for our health, are we?

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Speaker 4: It is And I've been contacted by some really nice

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Speaker 4: people along the way that knew James, that didn't know us,

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Speaker 4: and the sets a really nice things and known about us.

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Speaker 3: And I got a message, you know, a.

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Speaker 4: Couple of weeks ago from one of his friends that

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Speaker 4: I've become friends with, who is very supportive and and

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Speaker 4: You know, Like I think people need to understand, like

445
00:23:16,321 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 4: we're thrown into this world of police and legal and

446
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,601
Speaker 4: emotion and we're supposed to know what to do next.

447
00:23:25,801 --> 00:23:28,761
Speaker 4: And I don't know what to do from one day.

448
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,281
Speaker 3: To the next.

449
00:23:29,761 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: And I just kept asking questions. And I think because

450
00:23:32,721 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 4: I asked the questions.

451
00:23:34,241 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

452
00:23:34,721 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 4: I think it got to a point where there was

453
00:23:36,681 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 4: nothing for us to say because nothing had got wasn't

454
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,041
Speaker 4: moving anywhere. Yeah, And I mean I'll speak to them

455
00:23:42,041 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 4: months a month, and I speak to the detective and like,

456
00:23:44,721 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 4: I respect what they do, but at the end of

457
00:23:46,441 --> 00:23:50,561
Speaker 4: the day, they're understaffed as well, you know, like I

458
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,521
Speaker 4: feel like we're all triarched to the bottom.

459
00:23:53,801 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: And so is the case. The term open budding active,

460
00:23:57,041 --> 00:23:58,561
Speaker 1: is that the tone that you're getting.

461
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,521
Speaker 4: No, it's no, it's active. It's an active case. Probably

462
00:24:03,561 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 4: April twenty twenty two that they considered it to be

463
00:24:06,201 --> 00:24:11,001
Speaker 4: a homicide. I can't remember because I overheard her tell

464
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 4: someone because she didn't want me to know at that time.

465
00:24:14,201 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: You know, that's what it is.

466
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 4: So I just feel in my heart that something's happened

467
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 4: to him. Because Jameses could look after himself. You know,

468
00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:28,201
Speaker 4: jameis lived on the street. I'm a teenager. He wouldn't

469
00:24:28,201 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 4: allow this to go on. I just he just wouldn't

470
00:24:31,681 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 4: allow it to go on.

471
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 3: And I just feel something something's happened.

472
00:24:37,481 --> 00:24:39,801
Speaker 4: I don't even know if I want to know exactly what,

473
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: you know, Like, I don't know whether my head would

474
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 4: coat withs that.

475
00:24:46,201 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: So most people probably won't know this, but James was

476
00:24:49,441 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: the son of famous acclaimed actor Bill Hunter, who died

477
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven.

478
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 6: Bill, here's loot, you can stop progress.

479
00:24:59,521 --> 00:25:00,041
Speaker 3: He left.

480
00:25:01,041 --> 00:25:05,441
Speaker 6: Yeah, well a postal vote in a way I didn't

481
00:25:05,441 --> 00:25:07,641
Speaker 6: get in. I'm going to do more for this place

482
00:25:07,681 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 6: at grassroots level. Paupa Spit Counsel believes in progress.

483
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,721
Speaker 1: James wasn't reported missing until we let's work with the

484
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: July twenty twenty one day, following months without contact. So

485
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: what's your understanding of James and his dad's relationship before

486
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: he disappeared?

487
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,521
Speaker 3: So people need to understand.

488
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,321
Speaker 4: So firstly, yes, Bill was James's biological father. James did

489
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 4: not have a relationship with him, and Chloe and myself

490
00:25:33,281 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 4: did not know him at all at all. So the

491
00:25:36,481 --> 00:25:42,121
Speaker 4: information that was printed in the Daily Mail was very incorrect.

492
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,001
Speaker 4: And I heard a lot of people and it would

493
00:25:47,041 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: have heard a lot of people on Bill's side of

494
00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:50,961
Speaker 4: the family as well.

495
00:25:52,721 --> 00:25:54,761
Speaker 3: That's information that didn't need to be out.

496
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,041
Speaker 6: You know.

497
00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,921
Speaker 4: We didn't talk to them about Bill being James's dad because,

498
00:26:01,441 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: as I said before, this is not about it's about

499
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,321
Speaker 4: finding James, getting answers for James, not about who his

500
00:26:10,441 --> 00:26:13,281
Speaker 4: dad is or was, you know, And I'm sorry to

501
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,761
Speaker 4: anybody that that did hurt, and I tried to get

502
00:26:16,761 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 4: them to retract it.

503
00:26:18,521 --> 00:26:21,281
Speaker 3: I try it really hard to get that done.

504
00:26:22,561 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: We're not going to rehash that for you because I

505
00:26:24,481 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: don't think I can see how disappointed and upset you

506
00:26:27,241 --> 00:26:30,641
Speaker 1: are about this, and I know as your friend, how

507
00:26:30,681 --> 00:26:34,001
Speaker 1: disappointing and upsetting that is for you. And it's a

508
00:26:34,041 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: hard to talk about a long time. Yeah, it did,

509
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,041
Speaker 1: it did, and it's not something I really want to

510
00:26:40,041 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: bring up either, but unfortunately it's out there now. So

511
00:26:42,241 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: I want to try and give you a platform to

512
00:26:43,921 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: be able to fix Thank you.

513
00:26:45,561 --> 00:26:47,841
Speaker 4: Thank you giving me the opportunity to clear that up,

514
00:26:47,921 --> 00:26:50,761
Speaker 4: because that's been bothering me a long time.

515
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: As you know, I know, and this is what happens

516
00:26:53,521 --> 00:26:56,801
Speaker 1: when media do things like that. Their series good media,

517
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,401
Speaker 1: and there is bad media, and sometimes James.

518
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 4: Wouldn't have wanted that out there, and like you know,

519
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 4: big luck it was. That's just it's just selling papers. Really,

520
00:27:07,921 --> 00:27:10,041
Speaker 4: it's not really getting to the point that we needed.

521
00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So your description of James conveys too many facets.

522
00:27:15,921 --> 00:27:21,201
Speaker 1: I guess, funny, spontaneous, deeply caring, yet able to just

523
00:27:21,281 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: up and leave. What do you think motivated his more

524
00:27:24,441 --> 00:27:27,041
Speaker 1: sudden departures and how do you make sense of that today?

525
00:27:27,481 --> 00:27:30,041
Speaker 3: Probably fun and money to start with.

526
00:27:32,721 --> 00:27:36,041
Speaker 4: No, and Jemis, you know, like he was always doing

527
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: something crazy. That's just who he was, you know, Like

528
00:27:41,441 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 4: I think I mentioned to you before, like he was

529
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: just yes and no, black and white, you know, and

530
00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:49,001
Speaker 4: you know, you say yeah.

531
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,561
Speaker 3: Button, he'd be like no, no, But it's like yes

532
00:27:50,681 --> 00:27:51,121
Speaker 3: or it's no.

533
00:27:51,281 --> 00:27:53,721
Speaker 4: You know, like people got used to just that's how

534
00:27:53,761 --> 00:27:56,481
Speaker 4: he was, you know, like there's no in between. You're

535
00:27:56,521 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: either all in or you're out, you know, like, and

536
00:27:59,961 --> 00:28:02,681
Speaker 4: I think he took that approach with pretty much everything.

537
00:28:02,801 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: It was never like a half glass empty, you know,

538
00:28:05,281 --> 00:28:08,321
Speaker 3: it was always full. The glass was always full, you know.

539
00:28:10,441 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. And in what ways did it create tension or

540
00:28:13,001 --> 00:28:14,761
Speaker 1: frustration within relationships?

541
00:28:15,281 --> 00:28:17,001
Speaker 3: Well, it irritated me to know end.

542
00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:21,121
Speaker 4: I can assure you of that, especially as a young

543
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,641
Speaker 4: person who's navigating you know, herself, motherhood and everything else

544
00:28:26,681 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 4: along the way.

545
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,281
Speaker 3: And him, I guess, you know, like he's got so

546
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: much energy.

547
00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:34,201
Speaker 4: You know, he's exhausting at times, you know, because he's

548
00:28:34,201 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: on the guy all the time. He's on the go,

549
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,801
Speaker 4: Like it didn't matter what it was, you know, he

550
00:28:40,041 --> 00:28:43,881
Speaker 4: just had this amazing energy, which I guess other people

551
00:28:43,921 --> 00:28:47,121
Speaker 4: felt that and and fed off that energy.

552
00:28:47,481 --> 00:28:50,081
Speaker 1: You said, he's got the gift of the gab, right, he.

553
00:28:50,001 --> 00:28:51,681
Speaker 4: Has got the I was gonna say he could talk

554
00:28:51,721 --> 00:28:54,761
Speaker 4: to anyone, and his vocabulary was really vast. You know,

555
00:28:54,881 --> 00:28:57,201
Speaker 4: he could go down to the park and be like, hey, bro,

556
00:28:57,441 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: how you going. You know, you talk on the street,

557
00:29:00,001 --> 00:29:02,801
Speaker 4: talk and you know, get everyone to feed. But yet

558
00:29:02,841 --> 00:29:06,801
Speaker 4: he could walk into you know, I Star restaurant and

559
00:29:07,201 --> 00:29:11,161
Speaker 4: speak to somebody like he was a university professor. He

560
00:29:11,161 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 4: could just develop his vocabulary on who he was talking

561
00:29:14,521 --> 00:29:15,361
Speaker 4: to at the time.

562
00:29:15,881 --> 00:29:18,761
Speaker 3: He's highly intelligent. Javis is a very intelligent man.

563
00:29:19,881 --> 00:29:26,041
Speaker 1: And so when we talk about family dynamics and ambiguous loss,

564
00:29:26,481 --> 00:29:28,841
Speaker 1: that kind of loss is often described as one of

565
00:29:28,881 --> 00:29:32,081
Speaker 1: the hardest forms of grief without closure. And I know

566
00:29:32,561 --> 00:29:36,121
Speaker 1: this is very upsetting and stressful thing that you're doing

567
00:29:36,201 --> 00:29:41,361
Speaker 1: to help find James. How are you navigating that ambiguity.

568
00:29:41,841 --> 00:29:42,681
Speaker 3: From day to day?

569
00:29:43,121 --> 00:29:45,361
Speaker 4: I feel some days that I'm my own doing it,

570
00:29:45,561 --> 00:29:50,521
Speaker 4: to be honest, because, let's face it mean against I

571
00:29:50,561 --> 00:29:54,001
Speaker 4: don't know what, you know. I sometimes feel like a

572
00:29:54,121 --> 00:29:58,641
Speaker 4: needle in a haystack would be easier to find just

573
00:29:58,721 --> 00:30:02,641
Speaker 4: being so long ago. It's not like, you know, when

574
00:30:02,681 --> 00:30:04,801
Speaker 4: someone goes missing and like they do an alert a

575
00:30:04,801 --> 00:30:06,401
Speaker 4: week or two later and people.

576
00:30:06,161 --> 00:30:07,401
Speaker 3: Go, oh, I saw that person.

577
00:30:07,481 --> 00:30:11,041
Speaker 4: You know, people just don't remember, you know, like and

578
00:30:11,281 --> 00:30:15,641
Speaker 4: I think too with the COVID lockdown and and everything

579
00:30:15,761 --> 00:30:16,161
Speaker 4: like that.

580
00:30:17,001 --> 00:30:17,561
Speaker 3: I don't know, it.

581
00:30:17,681 --> 00:30:22,241
Speaker 1: Wasn't helpful, it was a good time. Well are you okay?

582
00:30:22,401 --> 00:30:25,401
Speaker 1: He's probably my better question for me from me to you.

583
00:30:25,481 --> 00:30:26,201
Speaker 1: Are you okay?

584
00:30:27,121 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm going to tell you.

585
00:30:29,321 --> 00:30:33,281
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going really well, and I am in comparison

586
00:30:33,761 --> 00:30:38,361
Speaker 4: to how I have been. And I don't understand why

587
00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:42,161
Speaker 4: this has hit me so so hard as it has.

588
00:30:42,441 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: I'm very lucky that I have a supportive partner and

589
00:30:45,401 --> 00:30:48,881
Speaker 4: family that immediate family who were here in this house,

590
00:30:48,921 --> 00:30:51,881
Speaker 4: that support me to the best of their ability that they.

591
00:30:51,801 --> 00:30:54,041
Speaker 3: Can, you know. But you know it as well as

592
00:30:54,121 --> 00:30:55,561
Speaker 3: I do that we're difficult.

593
00:30:55,201 --> 00:30:58,361
Speaker 4: To be around, like at times, you know, like when

594
00:30:58,361 --> 00:31:02,001
Speaker 4: you get into those those spaces, you know, like we're

595
00:31:02,041 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: a lot, yeah, like nothing else matters, you know, like,

596
00:31:06,321 --> 00:31:09,161
Speaker 4: and that's difficult for our families as well.

597
00:31:09,721 --> 00:31:11,041
Speaker 3: And I've had you, you.

598
00:31:10,921 --> 00:31:13,561
Speaker 4: Know, to say to me, don't forget about the here

599
00:31:13,641 --> 00:31:17,401
Speaker 4: and now, because we do lose sight of that, you know.

600
00:31:17,641 --> 00:31:20,041
Speaker 3: And for me, I have.

601
00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:22,041
Speaker 4: Times where I'm not okay and I just go off

602
00:31:22,041 --> 00:31:24,641
Speaker 4: Facebook for a while because I need to, not because

603
00:31:24,761 --> 00:31:26,881
Speaker 4: like of all the bullshit that's going on with it,

604
00:31:27,521 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: but just because, like, if I can just have a

605
00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:34,841
Speaker 4: couple of days where I have a few hours break,

606
00:31:35,601 --> 00:31:37,881
Speaker 4: that's better than seeing.

607
00:31:37,601 --> 00:31:38,561
Speaker 3: The constant, you know.

608
00:31:38,761 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: And then I get like you, they get caught up

609
00:31:41,241 --> 00:31:44,841
Speaker 4: with other people's families, and I get upset for them,

610
00:31:45,161 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: and I get frustrated with comments that people make, and

611
00:31:48,481 --> 00:31:49,721
Speaker 4: sometimes I just see the break.

612
00:31:50,841 --> 00:31:53,361
Speaker 1: I think we all need that, and it's very important.

613
00:31:53,361 --> 00:31:55,361
Speaker 1: It's a very important part of this journey, you know,

614
00:31:55,441 --> 00:31:57,601
Speaker 1: Like I've had to go off and try and work

615
00:31:57,641 --> 00:32:01,041
Speaker 1: on myself as to how do I manage this which

616
00:32:01,081 --> 00:32:05,041
Speaker 1: is an absolute fireball over in one side of my world,

617
00:32:05,201 --> 00:32:07,041
Speaker 1: and how do I pull it back and be a

618
00:32:07,121 --> 00:32:10,281
Speaker 1: mum and be a wife and you know, be healthy

619
00:32:10,561 --> 00:32:13,801
Speaker 1: and try and look after myself. And things fall off

620
00:32:13,841 --> 00:32:15,761
Speaker 1: that off that table quite often.

621
00:32:15,801 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: And you know, I was watching you actually with your

622
00:32:19,481 --> 00:32:22,681
Speaker 4: girl and a formal and I was thinking to myself, God,

623
00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:26,281
Speaker 4: I'm so lucky that I'm not going through that right now,

624
00:32:26,761 --> 00:32:30,281
Speaker 4: because the stress of finding a formal dress and the

625
00:32:30,321 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: whole thing that goes with a formal I would be like,

626
00:32:33,841 --> 00:32:36,281
Speaker 4: that's the least of my problems at the moment. And

627
00:32:36,321 --> 00:32:40,041
Speaker 4: you're doing a good job too, because, like yours, you're

628
00:32:40,081 --> 00:32:42,561
Speaker 4: getting stuff left, right and center from left field. And

629
00:32:43,841 --> 00:32:46,121
Speaker 4: I've said it before, you know, I always feel that

630
00:32:46,881 --> 00:32:48,681
Speaker 4: if we can bring one home, it's kind.

631
00:32:48,561 --> 00:32:51,361
Speaker 1: Of a win for all of us. Hundred percent. We

632
00:32:51,441 --> 00:32:55,481
Speaker 1: all follow each other and we need to support each other. Right,

633
00:32:55,521 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: we're louder and be heard if we stick together.

634
00:33:00,241 --> 00:33:02,561
Speaker 4: That's what we're supposed to do. Not all of us

635
00:33:02,601 --> 00:33:04,401
Speaker 4: have been, but that's what I think.

636
00:33:04,201 --> 00:33:05,001
Speaker 3: We're supposed to do.

637
00:33:05,201 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: That's the hope, right, that's our hope that we are

638
00:33:08,441 --> 00:33:12,641
Speaker 1: all working together for the same purpose. So you did

639
00:33:12,681 --> 00:33:15,641
Speaker 1: say to me that James was your greatest supporter but

640
00:33:15,721 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: also at times your greatest critic. Yes, how has missing

641
00:33:19,521 --> 00:33:23,681
Speaker 1: that dynamic impacted your personal journey since his disappearance?

642
00:33:24,801 --> 00:33:28,801
Speaker 4: Probably impacted it quite a lot, because right now I

643
00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:31,841
Speaker 4: need him to tell me that everything's going to be okay.

644
00:33:33,121 --> 00:33:34,961
Speaker 1: And how much would that mean to you for him

645
00:33:35,001 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: to say that to you?

646
00:33:39,641 --> 00:33:44,481
Speaker 3: Absolutely everything you know life. I know deep down south.

647
00:33:44,281 --> 00:33:47,841
Speaker 4: That something's happened, and I also know that I may

648
00:33:47,881 --> 00:33:50,721
Speaker 4: never get any hitswers because it was.

649
00:33:50,681 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: So long ago. And just because of the way he was,

650
00:33:54,761 --> 00:33:55,121
Speaker 3: you know.

651
00:33:55,121 --> 00:33:57,601
Speaker 4: Like Javis would say to people, if I'll go missing,

652
00:33:58,001 --> 00:33:59,161
Speaker 4: don't look for me, and he'd be.

653
00:33:59,201 --> 00:34:01,841
Speaker 7: Very adamant about it, very and it can be could

654
00:34:01,881 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 7: be intimidating at.

655
00:34:02,801 --> 00:34:07,121
Speaker 4: Times, you know, like people are probably hearing to him

656
00:34:07,161 --> 00:34:08,281
Speaker 4: saying that, you know, like.

657
00:34:08,681 --> 00:34:10,641
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you think he said that to other people,

658
00:34:10,761 --> 00:34:11,481
Speaker 1: and he's.

659
00:34:11,481 --> 00:34:16,001
Speaker 8: Not backing up, you know, like he hasn't contact in anyone,

660
00:34:16,081 --> 00:34:20,001
Speaker 8: he hasn't used his bank accounts, nobody's seen him, you know, Like,

661
00:34:20,321 --> 00:34:21,641
Speaker 8: so he deserves a.

662
00:34:21,641 --> 00:34:24,761
Speaker 4: Dignity to be brought home whatever's happened to him, you know,

663
00:34:25,001 --> 00:34:28,041
Speaker 4: because every human being deserves that night.

664
00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:29,201
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

665
00:34:29,681 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: I don't want to think that he's just laying out

666
00:34:31,481 --> 00:34:36,281
Speaker 4: there somewhere, even if I don't even know what we're

667
00:34:36,321 --> 00:34:36,761
Speaker 4: looking for.

668
00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: So I know, I understand, I understand that very well,

669
00:34:40,561 --> 00:34:43,761
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm sorry to see sorry.

670
00:34:44,521 --> 00:34:47,681
Speaker 4: And that's the harsh reality that we don't want to

671
00:34:47,721 --> 00:34:50,201
Speaker 4: talk about either, none of us.

672
00:34:50,201 --> 00:34:51,961
Speaker 3: None of us want to talk about that.

673
00:34:52,641 --> 00:34:54,281
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I talk about it.

674
00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:58,841
Speaker 9: The other thing, too, is like somebody said this to me,

675
00:34:58,961 --> 00:35:03,281
Speaker 9: you know, what matters to you doesn't necessarily manage to

676
00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:03,961
Speaker 9: other people.

677
00:35:04,681 --> 00:35:08,641
Speaker 3: And that harsh, that's true, And.

678
00:35:09,601 --> 00:35:12,601
Speaker 4: I just don't think that missing persons is on people's radars,

679
00:35:12,641 --> 00:35:16,361
Speaker 4: you know, unless you've been in that space. And it

680
00:35:16,441 --> 00:35:19,161
Speaker 4: needs to be in people's radars, just like everything else,

681
00:35:20,041 --> 00:35:25,041
Speaker 4: because they all are loved and they all matter to somebody.

682
00:35:25,761 --> 00:35:29,321
Speaker 4: To somebody, doesn't matter what walk of life they did,

683
00:35:29,361 --> 00:35:32,201
Speaker 4: you know, like whether or not you know they were

684
00:35:32,201 --> 00:35:36,801
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister, or they were homeless, or whether they

685
00:35:36,841 --> 00:35:39,561
Speaker 4: were a good person to some and bad to others.

686
00:35:39,601 --> 00:35:41,601
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what their life was. If they have

687
00:35:41,721 --> 00:35:42,961
Speaker 3: mental health, doesn't matter what.

688
00:35:42,961 --> 00:35:47,041
Speaker 4: It is, don't Somebody loves that person, and somebody needs

689
00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:50,481
Speaker 4: to know what's happened to them, and nobody deserves the

690
00:35:50,601 --> 00:35:52,241
Speaker 4: right to withhold that information.

691
00:35:52,761 --> 00:35:55,081
Speaker 3: That's not fair, that's not fair.

692
00:35:55,121 --> 00:35:59,681
Speaker 4: That's willingly let us all live like this every day

693
00:36:00,721 --> 00:36:03,361
Speaker 4: and it's not nice and it's not comfortable for us

694
00:36:03,441 --> 00:36:04,401
Speaker 4: or for anybody else.

695
00:36:04,241 --> 00:36:08,241
Speaker 3: To be around us. Yeah, do you know what I'm saying?

696
00:36:08,281 --> 00:36:10,881
Speaker 1: Though I don't know, I do one hundred percent. I

697
00:36:10,921 --> 00:36:12,401
Speaker 1: was just going to say before I feel like I

698
00:36:13,121 --> 00:36:16,561
Speaker 1: kind of block that side of the looking and thinking

699
00:36:16,601 --> 00:36:18,961
Speaker 1: where is my mum? Because I think if I did

700
00:36:19,601 --> 00:36:23,121
Speaker 1: consider that she's in the bush somewhere, or you know,

701
00:36:23,201 --> 00:36:25,441
Speaker 1: people have often said to me, Oh, she's in the

702
00:36:25,441 --> 00:36:27,401
Speaker 1: boot of a car and the car's been dumped in

703
00:36:27,681 --> 00:36:30,281
Speaker 1: a body of water. And I think if I sat

704
00:36:30,321 --> 00:36:34,001
Speaker 1: there and processed that and actually thought about it, I

705
00:36:34,001 --> 00:36:38,681
Speaker 1: would send myself crazy. So I tend to just park it,

706
00:36:38,721 --> 00:36:42,241
Speaker 1: which has probably become a part of my person where

707
00:36:42,241 --> 00:36:45,561
Speaker 1: I'm emotionally detached from those thoughts, because I don't know

708
00:36:45,601 --> 00:36:48,041
Speaker 1: if I'd cope so well if I thought about it.

709
00:36:48,041 --> 00:36:51,041
Speaker 4: I'll have to disassociate with something, you know, Like p

710
00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:53,921
Speaker 4: James's life is pretty full on, you know, and he

711
00:36:53,921 --> 00:36:56,841
Speaker 4: could well and truly take care of himself well and truly,

712
00:36:58,321 --> 00:37:00,521
Speaker 4: and I just felt that it would take someone.

713
00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:02,961
Speaker 3: I also know that he's started drinking too, you know.

714
00:37:03,201 --> 00:37:06,081
Speaker 4: He was drinking a lot to works, you know, the

715
00:37:06,161 --> 00:37:08,001
Speaker 4: last few years, you know, and that's something he never

716
00:37:08,041 --> 00:37:08,521
Speaker 4: did when we.

717
00:37:08,481 --> 00:37:10,321
Speaker 3: Live together, Like, there was never alcohol in the house.

718
00:37:10,321 --> 00:37:11,441
Speaker 3: It just wouldn't allow it, you know.

719
00:37:11,801 --> 00:37:14,681
Speaker 7: But he had started drinking, and I don't know, you know,

720
00:37:14,961 --> 00:37:16,841
Speaker 7: so he would have frequented lots of pubs and he

721
00:37:16,841 --> 00:37:18,801
Speaker 7: would have been in bottle shops and stuff, you know,

722
00:37:18,921 --> 00:37:22,161
Speaker 7: like he was drinking a lot. So he's led his

723
00:37:22,201 --> 00:37:24,121
Speaker 7: guard down myself, is what I think.

724
00:37:24,441 --> 00:37:27,761
Speaker 1: And because the police didn't capture the CCTV footage, we

725
00:37:27,801 --> 00:37:30,601
Speaker 1: don't have any footage of him in the local areas

726
00:37:30,681 --> 00:37:31,401
Speaker 1: known to him.

727
00:37:31,481 --> 00:37:35,201
Speaker 4: No see count holds cct footage for twenty eight days,

728
00:37:35,681 --> 00:37:37,681
Speaker 4: which to me seems just ridiculous.

729
00:37:38,361 --> 00:37:39,681
Speaker 3: But twenty eight days.

730
00:37:39,441 --> 00:37:42,801
Speaker 4: That's it, and then it's just recovered over and over again.

731
00:37:45,081 --> 00:37:47,601
Speaker 1: All right, So we'll just changed direction here a little bit.

732
00:37:47,681 --> 00:37:51,721
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about James and his passion

733
00:37:52,801 --> 00:37:56,001
Speaker 1: for life and his lifestyle that he was living. So,

734
00:37:56,401 --> 00:38:00,161
Speaker 1: you know, from hydroponics to plant experiments to open mining

735
00:38:00,481 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: in Lightning Ridge, what do you think drove James tech

736
00:38:05,201 --> 00:38:08,161
Speaker 1: nically or spiritually in those pursuits.

737
00:38:09,121 --> 00:38:12,601
Speaker 3: I think the adventure for a start. I think he

738
00:38:12,841 --> 00:38:17,441
Speaker 3: liked living on the edge, the thrill of it, yeah,

739
00:38:16,801 --> 00:38:18,641
Speaker 3: and not any of the thrill of it.

740
00:38:18,721 --> 00:38:21,801
Speaker 4: I think James liked being the center of attention at times,

741
00:38:22,521 --> 00:38:26,801
Speaker 4: and he facilitated many a party with people.

742
00:38:27,001 --> 00:38:30,521
Speaker 1: So there isn't another podcast that you've done with a

743
00:38:30,561 --> 00:38:34,161
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Tyler. Tell everyone where he's

744
00:38:34,201 --> 00:38:36,521
Speaker 1: from and what that podcast is called if they want

745
00:38:36,521 --> 00:38:37,361
Speaker 1: to do a deep dive?

746
00:38:38,361 --> 00:38:42,321
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, so Tyler is from the Missing and Unexplained podcast,

747
00:38:42,921 --> 00:38:45,801
Speaker 4: so he's in Canada. Jason at the end in part

748
00:38:45,841 --> 00:38:49,361
Speaker 4: two pretty much sums jamis up really really well. I felt,

749
00:38:49,721 --> 00:38:51,361
Speaker 4: so if you want to have a listen, that might

750
00:38:51,401 --> 00:38:53,681
Speaker 4: give you a little bit of a better idea of

751
00:38:54,241 --> 00:38:54,881
Speaker 4: who he was.

752
00:38:54,921 --> 00:38:56,481
Speaker 3: I guess too a lot of his friends.

753
00:38:57,081 --> 00:38:58,641
Speaker 1: We go and do a bit of a deep dive

754
00:38:58,681 --> 00:39:01,921
Speaker 1: there and just get a bit more background for James.

755
00:39:02,201 --> 00:39:03,601
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to say, like you were

756
00:39:03,601 --> 00:39:07,561
Speaker 1: talking before about how much the missing matter and what

757
00:39:07,601 --> 00:39:09,401
Speaker 1: we should be doing in this space and that they

758
00:39:09,441 --> 00:39:14,001
Speaker 1: all should count to everybody. You know, what is your thoughts?

759
00:39:14,041 --> 00:39:17,161
Speaker 1: Have you read and seen about the Green Seat project

760
00:39:17,201 --> 00:39:18,761
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to get off the ground.

761
00:39:18,921 --> 00:39:21,201
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think that's a brilliant idea. I

762
00:39:21,201 --> 00:39:23,681
Speaker 4: think that is absolutely amazing.

763
00:39:24,161 --> 00:39:26,401
Speaker 1: Just somewhere nice for us to sit, you know, and

764
00:39:26,481 --> 00:39:28,321
Speaker 1: look out to the beach or look out to the

765
00:39:28,361 --> 00:39:31,561
Speaker 1: mountains and just remember the missing and bring some awareness

766
00:39:31,601 --> 00:39:34,041
Speaker 1: to this space. Because I really feel like I think the.

767
00:39:33,961 --> 00:39:37,721
Speaker 4: Awareness is the biggest thing, and I think that somehow

768
00:39:37,761 --> 00:39:41,401
Speaker 4: we need to get some multi companies, you know, like

769
00:39:42,081 --> 00:39:47,401
Speaker 4: to back missing persons because we can't afford to constantly

770
00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:50,081
Speaker 4: be putting our hand in our pocket, you know. Like me,

771
00:39:50,161 --> 00:39:53,121
Speaker 4: I can't work anymore, like you know, that's just something

772
00:39:53,161 --> 00:39:54,201
Speaker 4: I can't function to do.

773
00:39:54,921 --> 00:39:58,001
Speaker 3: And I just feel that there's so many families, there's

774
00:39:58,041 --> 00:40:01,561
Speaker 3: so many aspects of it. You know, people are.

775
00:40:00,921 --> 00:40:05,721
Speaker 4: Dealing with their sons, brothers, uncles, aunts, child being missing,

776
00:40:05,881 --> 00:40:10,361
Speaker 4: but supposed to function every day. And then I think too,

777
00:40:10,521 --> 00:40:13,601
Speaker 4: you know, when you say to someone that someone's missing,

778
00:40:13,601 --> 00:40:16,521
Speaker 4: they say, well where are they? You know, Like, to me,

779
00:40:16,641 --> 00:40:20,761
Speaker 4: that's the most frustrating question that you can have, you know.

780
00:40:20,801 --> 00:40:23,481
Speaker 4: And I think I've spoken to to Nicole from Patrick

781
00:40:23,881 --> 00:40:25,761
Speaker 4: Ki's sister about this before.

782
00:40:26,161 --> 00:40:30,281
Speaker 3: It's so frustrating when somebody says, well where are they? Well,

783
00:40:31,281 --> 00:40:32,961
Speaker 3: they wouldn't be listened as missing and we wouldn't be

784
00:40:33,001 --> 00:40:34,081
Speaker 3: in a date if we knew.

785
00:40:34,361 --> 00:40:38,081
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an insensitive question that I just don't think.

786
00:40:38,321 --> 00:40:41,121
Speaker 1: It sort of comes down to that ambiguity of people

787
00:40:41,161 --> 00:40:44,001
Speaker 1: not understanding. All the people talking about closure, like you'll

788
00:40:44,001 --> 00:40:45,881
Speaker 1: get you know, at least you'll have some closure. I'm

789
00:40:45,881 --> 00:40:48,361
Speaker 1: more like, well, you know, I.

790
00:40:48,361 --> 00:40:51,801
Speaker 3: Don't think the word closure actually exists. And I think

791
00:40:51,881 --> 00:40:55,481
Speaker 3: that you know, and I did say it that when somebody.

792
00:40:55,281 --> 00:40:58,361
Speaker 4: Passes away and dies, you know, you know what happened

793
00:40:58,481 --> 00:41:01,321
Speaker 4: to them, doesn't matter whether it was an illness, it

794
00:41:01,441 --> 00:41:04,241
Speaker 4: was a sudden death. You find out what happens to them,

795
00:41:04,281 --> 00:41:07,281
Speaker 4: and then you plan a service and you come together

796
00:41:07,401 --> 00:41:10,081
Speaker 4: as one and you grieve and you talk about them,

797
00:41:10,121 --> 00:41:13,601
Speaker 4: and it is a form of you know where they

798
00:41:13,641 --> 00:41:16,281
Speaker 4: are and you've got somewhere to go. But for us,

799
00:41:16,961 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: we don't know from day to day, and we change

800
00:41:18,961 --> 00:41:22,361
Speaker 4: our mind from day to day. What's happened where our

801
00:41:22,401 --> 00:41:26,001
Speaker 4: mind's at. What we feel comfortable with this hour might

802
00:41:26,001 --> 00:41:28,321
Speaker 4: not be comfortable with what we feel in seven hours

803
00:41:28,361 --> 00:41:30,321
Speaker 4: time from today.

804
00:41:30,521 --> 00:41:31,521
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

805
00:41:31,961 --> 00:41:35,561
Speaker 4: I think the headspace is like I think you want

806
00:41:35,601 --> 00:41:38,401
Speaker 4: to detach yourself to it sometimes as well, because the

807
00:41:38,481 --> 00:41:40,401
Speaker 4: head space haunts you at times.

808
00:41:40,641 --> 00:41:43,041
Speaker 3: Because where are they? Where the hell are they? So

809
00:41:43,681 --> 00:41:46,081
Speaker 3: they just don't disappear off the face of the earth.

810
00:41:46,841 --> 00:41:50,201
Speaker 4: And like we say someone knows something, it's more than

811
00:41:50,241 --> 00:41:55,321
Speaker 4: someone like I'm starting to get more logical as as

812
00:41:55,321 --> 00:41:58,441
Speaker 4: I'm feeling I'm getting stronger. Is like, how can you

813
00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:04,201
Speaker 4: move somebody on your own dead. Wait, come on, there's

814
00:42:04,201 --> 00:42:08,801
Speaker 4: more than somebody that knows something, you know, there's peoples

815
00:42:08,881 --> 00:42:13,001
Speaker 4: that know something. That's how I feel for so many

816
00:42:13,161 --> 00:42:14,841
Speaker 4: you know, like it's not just one person.

817
00:42:17,081 --> 00:42:19,321
Speaker 1: Well, we're hoping that we can reach out because and

818
00:42:19,361 --> 00:42:21,721
Speaker 1: that's another reason why I talk about how many days

819
00:42:22,121 --> 00:42:26,961
Speaker 1: each person who matters is missing, because I find it

820
00:42:27,081 --> 00:42:32,321
Speaker 1: just so hard to comprehend it just really it plays

821
00:42:32,361 --> 00:42:35,481
Speaker 1: with my head so badly. But I think it's important

822
00:42:35,521 --> 00:42:38,081
Speaker 1: for those people who don't have a missing person in

823
00:42:38,121 --> 00:42:41,081
Speaker 1: their space to just stop and just pause and think

824
00:42:41,121 --> 00:42:44,201
Speaker 1: about that just for a moment. You'll imagine if your

825
00:42:44,281 --> 00:42:48,641
Speaker 1: person was missing for a day, let alone two thousand

826
00:42:48,881 --> 00:42:51,601
Speaker 1: and twenty days like James I know.

827
00:42:51,721 --> 00:42:54,961
Speaker 4: And then imagine trying to be happy at Christmas time

828
00:42:55,441 --> 00:42:58,001
Speaker 4: when you just want to put your head under a

829
00:42:58,041 --> 00:42:59,641
Speaker 4: pillow in the world to go away, you.

830
00:42:59,561 --> 00:43:01,521
Speaker 3: Know, like you've got a smile for.

831
00:43:01,481 --> 00:43:03,521
Speaker 4: The kids, and you've got to try and move on

832
00:43:03,721 --> 00:43:06,001
Speaker 4: because the world just processes around you, even though you

833
00:43:06,081 --> 00:43:08,041
Speaker 4: don't want to move at times, but you feel like

834
00:43:08,161 --> 00:43:10,681
Speaker 4: in a still spot sometimes, you know.

835
00:43:11,041 --> 00:43:12,601
Speaker 1: Yeah, big milestones too.

836
00:43:12,721 --> 00:43:15,241
Speaker 4: I know that first Christmas which was like months later,

837
00:43:15,321 --> 00:43:17,161
Speaker 4: like I didn't even realize I'd missed a whole year,

838
00:43:17,521 --> 00:43:19,081
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden it was Christmas, you know,

839
00:43:19,561 --> 00:43:21,641
Speaker 4: and I'm a Christmas fanatic normally.

840
00:43:22,561 --> 00:43:24,641
Speaker 3: I put Christmas up and ripped it down three.

841
00:43:24,441 --> 00:43:28,001
Speaker 4: Times because I felt like, I don't know, should we

842
00:43:28,041 --> 00:43:30,001
Speaker 4: be moving on when they're not here?

843
00:43:30,201 --> 00:43:32,761
Speaker 3: You know, Like I was torn between. I don't even

844
00:43:32,761 --> 00:43:34,601
Speaker 3: know how to explain it, you know what I'm saying.

845
00:43:34,361 --> 00:43:36,481
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, well they're not here. And you see, it's

846
00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:39,881
Speaker 1: hard to celebrate something when someone's missing. There's a big

847
00:43:39,961 --> 00:43:43,641
Speaker 1: hole in our space, in our heart, and it's.

848
00:43:43,441 --> 00:43:46,321
Speaker 4: Difficult for the kids to understand and other people, I

849
00:43:46,321 --> 00:43:48,801
Speaker 4: think to understand, you know, like because I've had people say.

850
00:43:48,601 --> 00:43:49,761
Speaker 3: To me, you know, when you're going to let it go.

851
00:43:50,441 --> 00:43:53,641
Speaker 1: I still get that today. You know, most people who

852
00:43:53,641 --> 00:43:56,561
Speaker 1: are following my story will know my dad's got vascular dementia,

853
00:43:56,641 --> 00:44:00,361
Speaker 1: and that's becoming very difficult in itself. Because he sat

854
00:44:00,361 --> 00:44:01,761
Speaker 1: there and said to me the other day, he said,

855
00:44:01,801 --> 00:44:04,401
Speaker 1: where's your mother? Like, why hasn't she contacted me? Like

856
00:44:04,401 --> 00:44:08,201
Speaker 1: why she's contacted me? And I'm sitting there and I've

857
00:44:08,241 --> 00:44:10,641
Speaker 1: got Chris there and Darcy there. We're having lunch with

858
00:44:10,721 --> 00:44:15,201
Speaker 1: him and I just I just said to him, she's lost, Dad,

859
00:44:15,361 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: She's lost, and Darcy just looked at me as if

860
00:44:19,481 --> 00:44:23,081
Speaker 1: to go like just an overwhelming I don't know. It

861
00:44:23,121 --> 00:44:26,241
Speaker 1: was such a weird moment because I don't know what

862
00:44:26,321 --> 00:44:28,321
Speaker 1: to say. I don't I don't know what to say

863
00:44:28,361 --> 00:44:30,561
Speaker 1: to my dad who doesn't understand that she's a missing

864
00:44:30,601 --> 00:44:33,801
Speaker 1: person now, And yeah, you know, I've gone from him

865
00:44:33,841 --> 00:44:36,161
Speaker 1: saying why are you doing this to yourself? Like this

866
00:44:36,361 --> 00:44:38,681
Speaker 1: is not healthy for you, This is not good for you.

867
00:44:39,521 --> 00:44:41,601
Speaker 1: It's just the reality that we're living, isn't it.

868
00:44:42,361 --> 00:44:45,961
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it is something that we didn't choose. We

869
00:44:46,081 --> 00:44:48,681
Speaker 3: didn't choose his path. Yeah, I'm sure as hell didn't

870
00:44:48,721 --> 00:44:49,321
Speaker 3: choose his park.

871
00:44:49,401 --> 00:44:52,401
Speaker 4: I can say that, and I can guarantee you, like

872
00:44:52,601 --> 00:44:55,041
Speaker 4: right now, that if James was to walk in that door,

873
00:44:55,321 --> 00:44:58,041
Speaker 4: like through that front door right now, it'd be wild

874
00:44:58,081 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: as hell that I'd be talking about him and we'd

875
00:45:00,441 --> 00:45:04,601
Speaker 4: be arguing within two minutes about it. I'd probably yell

876
00:45:04,641 --> 00:45:07,121
Speaker 4: and st even carry on like I always have, you know,

877
00:45:07,721 --> 00:45:11,641
Speaker 4: But we just probably link back to normal after I

878
00:45:11,721 --> 00:45:14,361
Speaker 4: got over the anger. If I did, you know, but

879
00:45:14,881 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: I'd probably kill him, I told the police, but.

880
00:45:18,881 --> 00:45:19,321
Speaker 3: I don't know.

881
00:45:19,601 --> 00:45:22,001
Speaker 1: I'd love him to walk in the doorlays, Yeah, I would.

882
00:45:22,201 --> 00:45:23,281
Speaker 1: I would love that for you too.

883
00:45:23,521 --> 00:45:25,321
Speaker 4: I'd love him to pull up out the front, you know,

884
00:45:25,481 --> 00:45:27,681
Speaker 4: or to ring me five thousand million times like he

885
00:45:27,801 --> 00:45:29,641
Speaker 4: used to and hang up on me and then ring

886
00:45:29,681 --> 00:45:38,681
Speaker 4: me back thirty seconds later. But yeah, I just need answers.

887
00:45:36,681 --> 00:45:39,241
Speaker 3: Like we've got a luxury of crime stoppers guys, Like,

888
00:45:39,401 --> 00:45:44,361
Speaker 3: come on, that's a luxury. You can be anonymous, you

889
00:45:44,361 --> 00:45:47,041
Speaker 3: can literally be anonymous, like I don't know.

890
00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:50,921
Speaker 1: And the crime stoppers number is one eight hundred, triple three,

891
00:45:51,001 --> 00:45:54,401
Speaker 1: triple zero. So if anyone does have any information and

892
00:45:54,441 --> 00:45:58,001
Speaker 1: they'd like to share, please do ring crime stoppers and

893
00:45:58,401 --> 00:46:02,681
Speaker 1: what police station is where James's case sits, Marie, just

894
00:46:02,721 --> 00:46:05,881
Speaker 1: so people can link that if they need to. Okay,

895
00:46:05,921 --> 00:46:06,641
Speaker 1: so double.

896
00:46:06,961 --> 00:46:09,601
Speaker 3: Doub so you can speak to the detectives there.

897
00:46:09,921 --> 00:46:12,121
Speaker 4: And I just kind of just want to reiterate to

898
00:46:12,161 --> 00:46:16,081
Speaker 4: people that, like, as your show is, the missing people

899
00:46:16,081 --> 00:46:17,401
Speaker 4: do matter, you know, like, and.

900
00:46:18,841 --> 00:46:19,881
Speaker 3: We need your help.

901
00:46:19,961 --> 00:46:23,361
Speaker 4: And to me, James was not just just a person

902
00:46:23,481 --> 00:46:25,401
Speaker 4: or a number at the end of the day.

903
00:46:25,801 --> 00:46:26,641
Speaker 3: He matters, you.

904
00:46:26,601 --> 00:46:30,481
Speaker 4: Know what I mean, And he's not forgotten and he

905
00:46:30,521 --> 00:46:31,681
Speaker 4: deserves to be found.

906
00:46:32,241 --> 00:46:35,481
Speaker 3: And if you just know anything, you just anything at all, the.

907
00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:38,041
Speaker 4: Smallest thing can help us, you know, like it might

908
00:46:38,121 --> 00:46:41,801
Speaker 4: seem insignificant to you guys, but it might be that

909
00:46:41,881 --> 00:46:44,481
Speaker 4: tiny little piece of the puzzle that might make sense

910
00:46:44,521 --> 00:46:48,001
Speaker 4: to us or somebody else. And as I said, I

911
00:46:48,001 --> 00:46:50,241
Speaker 4: don't know what his movements were or who he.

912
00:46:50,241 --> 00:46:52,721
Speaker 3: Was hanging out with. That was a need to know basis,

913
00:46:52,801 --> 00:46:56,281
Speaker 3: and I understand that, but like it's time for someone

914
00:46:56,281 --> 00:47:00,081
Speaker 3: to please. I can't leave like this. I just can't.

915
00:47:00,481 --> 00:47:02,561
Speaker 3: And I can't stop it either. I don't know how.

916
00:47:03,721 --> 00:47:06,921
Speaker 1: And so over the past five years, how has that

917
00:47:07,041 --> 00:47:08,881
Speaker 1: hope transformed for you?

918
00:47:10,721 --> 00:47:12,681
Speaker 4: So you need to remember for me, it's been three

919
00:47:12,681 --> 00:47:16,161
Speaker 4: and a half years because the police didn't contact me

920
00:47:16,241 --> 00:47:21,201
Speaker 4: and I found out I'm faithful. It's been horrendous. It's

921
00:47:21,201 --> 00:47:23,961
Speaker 4: been horrendous. It's changed my whole world. It's changed my

922
00:47:24,081 --> 00:47:28,361
Speaker 4: view on people, it's changed my trust in so.

923
00:47:28,441 --> 00:47:29,921
Speaker 3: Many different things.

924
00:47:31,361 --> 00:47:33,881
Speaker 4: And I just think that I'm a little bit darker

925
00:47:33,961 --> 00:47:36,841
Speaker 4: than I probably was before. And I think people need

926
00:47:36,881 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: to also understand that, Like, yeah, I am James's former

927
00:47:40,041 --> 00:47:43,441
Speaker 4: partner and our relationship was on Like I can hectic

928
00:47:43,561 --> 00:47:46,641
Speaker 4: up and down, hectic, hectic, hectic at times. And I

929
00:47:46,681 --> 00:47:48,521
Speaker 4: know him very well, you know, and he knows me

930
00:47:48,721 --> 00:47:52,321
Speaker 4: very well. But no matter what the relationship is, we

931
00:47:52,401 --> 00:47:53,761
Speaker 4: love him and we need to find him.

932
00:47:53,801 --> 00:47:58,721
Speaker 3: And you guys that know him, know that even if he.

933
00:47:58,841 --> 00:48:03,681
Speaker 4: Left your lives abruptly for whatever reason he did, he

934
00:48:03,721 --> 00:48:04,881
Speaker 4: did good for you too.

935
00:48:05,641 --> 00:48:07,041
Speaker 3: He would have done good for.

936
00:48:07,041 --> 00:48:10,521
Speaker 4: You guys too, Han years all know that, and I

937
00:48:10,641 --> 00:48:11,961
Speaker 4: really need you to help me.

938
00:48:11,921 --> 00:48:17,241
Speaker 1: Find And So if someone was listening today and felt

939
00:48:17,361 --> 00:48:21,921
Speaker 1: compelled to share something, no matter how small, what would

940
00:48:21,961 --> 00:48:27,361
Speaker 1: you want them to know about what matters in finding James.

941
00:48:30,761 --> 00:48:33,361
Speaker 3: It matters because he deserves it.

942
00:48:33,481 --> 00:48:37,481
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, he doesn't deserve to

943
00:48:37,521 --> 00:48:43,121
Speaker 4: be an unknown person. He doesn't deserve to have if

944
00:48:43,121 --> 00:48:45,841
Speaker 4: something bad has happened to him. He doesn't deserve to

945
00:48:45,881 --> 00:48:51,841
Speaker 4: have an unmarked spot somewhere where nobody knows where he is.

946
00:48:53,761 --> 00:48:58,961
Speaker 4: And also it matters because this is affecting his family.

947
00:48:59,761 --> 00:49:01,001
Speaker 3: We didn't ask for any of this.

948
00:49:01,801 --> 00:49:06,441
Speaker 10: We didn't ask for the repercussions of James's lifestyle and

949
00:49:06,481 --> 00:49:07,481
Speaker 10: whenever he was up.

950
00:49:07,321 --> 00:49:09,241
Speaker 3: To, because I don't know what he was up to.

951
00:49:10,161 --> 00:49:12,441
Speaker 4: If I had no idea, I wouldn't know what avenue

952
00:49:13,201 --> 00:49:15,441
Speaker 4: to even start, but we don't.

953
00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:20,641
Speaker 3: It could have been absolutely anything. But just remember the

954
00:49:20,681 --> 00:49:23,641
Speaker 3: good that he did for the people that know him.

955
00:49:23,841 --> 00:49:30,441
Speaker 9: And if that's you and you know something, just tell somebody,

956
00:49:33,681 --> 00:49:38,761
Speaker 9: just tell somebody doing this. I can't and his family

957
00:49:38,801 --> 00:49:39,721
Speaker 9: can't keep doing this.

958
00:49:40,721 --> 00:49:45,321
Speaker 3: It's horrendous. It's horrendous. It's the worst thing that's ever

959
00:49:45,361 --> 00:49:47,961
Speaker 3: happened in our lives.

960
00:49:48,001 --> 00:49:50,761
Speaker 1: I guess I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I just

961
00:49:50,761 --> 00:49:51,761
Speaker 1: want to give you a big hug.

962
00:49:52,481 --> 00:49:55,761
Speaker 3: He's supposed to be here, he's supposed to be He's.

963
00:49:55,561 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: Out, and so let's share with everyone, Marie, like, what's

964
00:50:01,441 --> 00:50:08,761
Speaker 1: the kindest, most hopeful gift James gave you that continues

965
00:50:08,801 --> 00:50:09,801
Speaker 1: to live inside you.

966
00:50:12,041 --> 00:50:13,081
Speaker 3: I think that.

967
00:50:15,241 --> 00:50:20,081
Speaker 10: He taught me how to believe it myself and when

968
00:50:20,121 --> 00:50:25,401
Speaker 10: things got hard, just to pick myself up and start

969
00:50:25,441 --> 00:50:27,001
Speaker 10: again because I can do it.

970
00:50:27,401 --> 00:50:28,161
Speaker 3: I just need to.

971
00:50:28,121 --> 00:50:31,121
Speaker 10: Just tell myself I can't. And I think he taught

972
00:50:31,121 --> 00:50:32,361
Speaker 10: me about unconditional love.

973
00:50:32,441 --> 00:50:34,841
Speaker 4: Really, at the end of the day, because things weren't

974
00:50:34,841 --> 00:50:37,321
Speaker 4: always pretty with us, I can say that, you know,

975
00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:39,241
Speaker 4: he was kind and caring and all those things, but

976
00:50:39,761 --> 00:50:41,721
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, like former partner.

977
00:50:41,801 --> 00:50:44,881
Speaker 3: People can imagine Mark. You know, things weren't always nice.

978
00:50:46,081 --> 00:50:47,601
Speaker 4: It did take us a while to get back on

979
00:50:47,681 --> 00:50:50,881
Speaker 4: track to even be mates, you know, but we were

980
00:50:51,961 --> 00:50:55,081
Speaker 4: and nobody else is looking for him. So there's nobody

981
00:50:55,081 --> 00:50:57,241
Speaker 4: else looking for him.

982
00:50:57,401 --> 00:51:01,241
Speaker 1: Well, you've worked super hard to bring awareness to James's story,

983
00:51:01,281 --> 00:51:04,401
Speaker 1: and in doing that you have built a great support network.

984
00:51:05,241 --> 00:51:08,161
Speaker 1: Through all that hard work, what would you say is

985
00:51:08,281 --> 00:51:12,041
Speaker 1: essential for the public to understand about missing persons, about

986
00:51:12,081 --> 00:51:15,601
Speaker 1: families and friends left in limbo, and about showing care

987
00:51:15,641 --> 00:51:19,361
Speaker 1: and compassion in these times.

988
00:51:19,361 --> 00:51:22,001
Speaker 3: It's not going to go away. God, it's not going away.

989
00:51:22,521 --> 00:51:24,921
Speaker 3: And it's not like when someone passes and you learn

990
00:51:25,041 --> 00:51:25,561
Speaker 3: to move on.

991
00:51:26,241 --> 00:51:29,361
Speaker 4: It's something that's at your forefront, day in day out.

992
00:51:29,481 --> 00:51:33,081
Speaker 4: So I know people and I've heard people say they

993
00:51:33,081 --> 00:51:35,201
Speaker 4: don't want it coming up on their feed on Facebook

994
00:51:35,281 --> 00:51:38,521
Speaker 4: or Instagram or anything. But you sharing that and liking

995
00:51:38,521 --> 00:51:42,641
Speaker 4: that it reaches so many more people. That boosts families,

996
00:51:42,681 --> 00:51:47,441
Speaker 4: I guess, because look, nobody really cares about missing persons

997
00:51:47,441 --> 00:51:48,241
Speaker 4: at the end of the day.

998
00:51:48,721 --> 00:51:50,201
Speaker 3: It's just not on anyone's radar.

999
00:51:51,121 --> 00:51:53,921
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it's just not And like for me, I feel

1000
00:51:53,921 --> 00:51:55,401
Speaker 4: like a middle aged man is just.

1001
00:51:56,841 --> 00:51:59,161
Speaker 3: A nonexistent thought.

1002
00:52:00,801 --> 00:52:03,281
Speaker 4: And that's tough, you know, Like and I think people

1003
00:52:03,321 --> 00:52:07,641
Speaker 4: need to imagine that they to bed tonight as somebody

1004
00:52:07,641 --> 00:52:11,761
Speaker 4: that they loved they couldn't find, you know, like their

1005
00:52:11,841 --> 00:52:14,361
Speaker 4: phone wasn't answering and they didn't know where they were.

1006
00:52:14,961 --> 00:52:16,801
Speaker 3: And I mean for a grown adult, you know who

1007
00:52:16,841 --> 00:52:17,921
Speaker 3: lives in a sharehouse.

1008
00:52:17,961 --> 00:52:21,401
Speaker 4: You know, people come and go, you know, but imagine

1009
00:52:21,441 --> 00:52:24,361
Speaker 4: it's your own that you cannot find and you are frantic.

1010
00:52:24,721 --> 00:52:27,401
Speaker 3: You literally cannot find them. No one's seen a thing

1011
00:52:28,361 --> 00:52:30,321
Speaker 3: like put yourself in that position.

1012
00:52:31,841 --> 00:52:36,961
Speaker 11: Maybe maybe you might have a little more understanding to

1013
00:52:37,041 --> 00:52:40,281
Speaker 11: how things are after.

1014
00:52:40,881 --> 00:52:43,841
Speaker 3: For families every day, you know, like they've still got

1015
00:52:43,841 --> 00:52:46,081
Speaker 3: bills to pay, they've still got.

1016
00:52:47,161 --> 00:52:50,921
Speaker 4: Functions to go to, they're still going to pick themselves

1017
00:52:51,001 --> 00:52:52,881
Speaker 4: up and walk out the door with a smile on

1018
00:52:52,881 --> 00:52:55,041
Speaker 4: their face when they really really want the whole world

1019
00:52:55,081 --> 00:52:57,401
Speaker 4: to just go away and they want.

1020
00:52:57,201 --> 00:53:01,401
Speaker 3: People to talk about them, you know, like we don't

1021
00:53:01,441 --> 00:53:03,841
Speaker 3: know that they're they're really really gone.

1022
00:53:03,921 --> 00:53:08,361
Speaker 12: There's that's not roo hope, but just saying that, you know,

1023
00:53:09,401 --> 00:53:14,841
Speaker 12: scrolling past when you can share it, that would be

1024
00:53:14,841 --> 00:53:17,521
Speaker 12: a really bigger help and good to.

1025
00:53:17,561 --> 00:53:20,121
Speaker 4: Wed and you know, like if it wasn't for you

1026
00:53:20,241 --> 00:53:22,361
Speaker 4: guys too, Like, and I've said this to Nick as well,

1027
00:53:22,481 --> 00:53:25,361
Speaker 4: like we need each other to save latent things to

1028
00:53:25,401 --> 00:53:28,561
Speaker 4: each other that we don't want to hear sometimes, and

1029
00:53:28,681 --> 00:53:31,361
Speaker 4: I thank you guys for that, you know, Like I

1030
00:53:31,441 --> 00:53:35,001
Speaker 4: went on the walk with Nick for Patrick's first anniversary. Yea,

1031
00:53:35,521 --> 00:53:38,801
Speaker 4: and I walk everywhere, so I walk at all hours

1032
00:53:38,801 --> 00:53:39,481
Speaker 4: of the day and night.

1033
00:53:39,521 --> 00:53:41,081
Speaker 3: I don't care, you know, it doesn't bother me.

1034
00:53:42,241 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 4: We were out there and it was it got dark

1035
00:53:44,521 --> 00:53:46,041
Speaker 4: about five point thirty, you know, it was because of

1036
00:53:46,121 --> 00:53:48,921
Speaker 4: the middle of winter. And I was just walking along

1037
00:53:49,001 --> 00:53:51,761
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I got this real, real

1038
00:53:51,841 --> 00:53:54,041
Speaker 4: bad feeling, like I can't even explain it to you.

1039
00:53:54,961 --> 00:53:57,081
Speaker 3: And I turned around and I said, and I said

1040
00:53:57,121 --> 00:53:58,081
Speaker 3: to Nick, I don't.

1041
00:53:57,881 --> 00:54:00,201
Speaker 4: Feel right, Like I didn't feel right right and I

1042
00:54:00,321 --> 00:54:01,721
Speaker 4: never get like that ever.

1043
00:54:02,641 --> 00:54:05,041
Speaker 3: And she goes, it's not much further, you know, I'm like, right.

1044
00:54:05,521 --> 00:54:08,001
Speaker 4: And we kept walking and I just kept getting this

1045
00:54:08,241 --> 00:54:09,801
Speaker 4: like I can't even describe it.

1046
00:54:09,841 --> 00:54:11,721
Speaker 3: I just felt cold, and I'm like, we need to

1047
00:54:11,721 --> 00:54:14,241
Speaker 3: get out of here, like we all needed to get

1048
00:54:14,281 --> 00:54:16,601
Speaker 3: the hell out of there. That's how I felt.

1049
00:54:17,161 --> 00:54:19,121
Speaker 4: And anyway, we're talking a few days after it, and

1050
00:54:19,121 --> 00:54:20,681
Speaker 4: I said to it, I'm so sorry, you know, like

1051
00:54:20,721 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: I didn't mean to upset anyone, but I just.

1052
00:54:23,921 --> 00:54:26,521
Speaker 3: Got this really really bad feeling.

1053
00:54:26,561 --> 00:54:28,041
Speaker 4: And she said to me, you know what you said

1054
00:54:28,081 --> 00:54:31,121
Speaker 4: to me, Hey, Nick, and you told me I went, yeah,

1055
00:54:31,241 --> 00:54:31,921
Speaker 4: She said.

1056
00:54:32,081 --> 00:54:37,161
Speaker 3: That was the exact spot that Patrick was last week. Yeah,

1057
00:54:37,321 --> 00:54:39,481
Speaker 3: and I'm like, really, I need to go out there again.

1058
00:54:40,201 --> 00:54:41,801
Speaker 3: Like I don't know whether it was because it was

1059
00:54:41,881 --> 00:54:45,801
Speaker 3: dark or but I felt really uneasy. I can't even

1060
00:54:45,841 --> 00:54:50,521
Speaker 3: explain it. It was just it was just really weird, you.

1061
00:54:50,441 --> 00:54:53,681
Speaker 4: Know, like because he's out there somewhere and he doesn't

1062
00:54:53,681 --> 00:54:56,241
Speaker 4: live far from me, like not very far.

1063
00:54:56,161 --> 00:54:58,721
Speaker 3: At all, you know, Like, and I'm sorry that I

1064
00:54:58,761 --> 00:55:03,201
Speaker 3: got emotional. Guys, but I just name there for a year.

1065
00:55:03,441 --> 00:55:06,601
Speaker 1: You're so real, and I just I just appreciate you

1066
00:55:06,681 --> 00:55:12,001
Speaker 1: as a person. I think you're kind, you have a

1067
00:55:12,081 --> 00:55:15,881
Speaker 1: deep connection with James, and I'm so grateful for your

1068
00:55:15,961 --> 00:55:18,841
Speaker 1: family and your partner who support you and are there

1069
00:55:18,881 --> 00:55:22,881
Speaker 1: for you through this, because I can see the damage

1070
00:55:22,881 --> 00:55:27,161
Speaker 1: it does to us and to the living with the

1071
00:55:27,241 --> 00:55:31,641
Speaker 1: not knowing is very raw, and I'm really grateful for

1072
00:55:31,681 --> 00:55:35,601
Speaker 1: your honesty and your time to speak, But can we

1073
00:55:35,641 --> 00:55:39,121
Speaker 1: finish with you telling us in your words why James matters.

1074
00:55:40,761 --> 00:55:44,041
Speaker 4: He matters because he's important to me, He's important to

1075
00:55:45,041 --> 00:55:49,281
Speaker 4: the world. He is important to his mom, he's important

1076
00:55:49,361 --> 00:55:55,921
Speaker 4: to his friends, and he laughed with all his heart.

1077
00:55:56,041 --> 00:55:58,841
Speaker 4: You know, at the end of the day, he just

1078
00:55:58,881 --> 00:56:02,681
Speaker 4: matters to me. I can't even explain in words. Really,

1079
00:56:04,041 --> 00:56:07,641
Speaker 4: he's just important. He's an important and integral part of

1080
00:56:08,481 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 4: who I am. I guess because we were so young

1081
00:56:11,241 --> 00:56:14,281
Speaker 4: when we met. You know, I got a text from

1082
00:56:14,321 --> 00:56:16,441
Speaker 4: a friend, you know, one of his friends, that said

1083
00:56:17,361 --> 00:56:19,881
Speaker 4: for me not to lose sight of how much I

1084
00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:23,041
Speaker 4: meant to Jamis. Wherever he is or whatever the hell

1085
00:56:23,121 --> 00:56:26,641
Speaker 4: happened to him, it doesn't change that one bit. If

1086
00:56:26,681 --> 00:56:29,801
Speaker 4: something did happen to him, that's your guarantee that Chloe

1087
00:56:29,841 --> 00:56:32,201
Speaker 4: and I would be have been the only one he

1088
00:56:32,241 --> 00:56:34,801
Speaker 4: closed his eyes and was thinking about. And if he's

1089
00:56:34,841 --> 00:56:37,921
Speaker 4: still out there, we're the only two that's rattling his

1090
00:56:38,081 --> 00:56:43,161
Speaker 4: brain on repeat, you know. So if that's the case,

1091
00:56:43,401 --> 00:56:44,801
Speaker 4: it works both ways.

1092
00:56:45,281 --> 00:56:48,881
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, thank you, my love, it really does. You're

1093
00:56:48,921 --> 00:56:51,881
Speaker 1: brave for talking to us, and we're talking to me

1094
00:56:52,081 --> 00:56:56,961
Speaker 1: and sharing James's story with the universe, and you know,

1095
00:56:57,081 --> 00:56:59,161
Speaker 1: tell everyone what your Facebook page is and.

1096
00:56:59,081 --> 00:57:00,961
Speaker 3: We'll just help find James Hunter.

1097
00:57:01,521 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: I know he might hate you doing this, but I

1098
00:57:05,481 --> 00:57:09,281
Speaker 1: also believe that he'd be extremely grateful that you care

1099
00:57:09,361 --> 00:57:12,601
Speaker 1: so much. So from thank you you're doing.

1100
00:57:13,161 --> 00:57:15,561
Speaker 4: Someone did say to me that he said to them,

1101
00:57:16,441 --> 00:57:18,521
Speaker 4: doesn't matter what I say, if something happens to me,

1102
00:57:18,561 --> 00:57:21,521
Speaker 4: shall never start. So he knows me pretty well.

1103
00:57:21,721 --> 00:57:26,441
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good on you, friend. I love you to you.

1104
00:57:26,561 --> 00:57:28,401
Speaker 1: Take care of yourself.

1105
00:57:28,401 --> 00:57:30,681
Speaker 3: You're doing a great job and we all love you.

1106
00:57:33,561 --> 00:57:38,561
Speaker 2: Next week on the missing matter, Jenny's last entry was

1107
00:57:39,201 --> 00:57:41,681
Speaker 2: hopefully go to the whole fingers.

1108
00:57:41,281 --> 00:57:44,721
Speaker 5: Crossed, and that was it. Yeah, nothing after that, and

1109
00:57:44,761 --> 00:57:47,081
Speaker 5: it was pretty much daily entries up to that point,

1110
00:57:47,241 --> 00:57:50,561
Speaker 5: and that's what ultimately raised the flag that something had

1111
00:57:50,561 --> 00:57:51,121
Speaker 5: gone wrong with.

1112
00:57:53,641 --> 00:57:54,041
Speaker 1: The camp.

1113
00:57:54,041 --> 00:57:56,481
Speaker 5: Has directed them to that whole, said that there's a

1114
00:57:56,521 --> 00:58:00,881
Speaker 5: smell coming from that hole. You could see flies and

1115
00:58:01,161 --> 00:58:04,601
Speaker 5: et cetera. And he said that the police officer actually

1116
00:58:04,721 --> 00:58:10,721
Speaker 5: record oiled from the smell. They just went nowhere. Clearly,

1117
00:58:10,801 --> 00:58:13,761
Speaker 5: they didn't have any suspicion. Why they didn't have any

1118
00:58:13,801 --> 00:58:17,841
Speaker 5: suspicion is a whole other conversation. But they didn't but yeah,

1119
00:58:18,081 --> 00:58:23,921
Speaker 5: very detrimental to everything since then because again it's contaminated

1120
00:58:23,961 --> 00:58:27,961
Speaker 5: the scene