WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 20 September 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.360 This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, James. G'day, gang. 0:00:08.410 --> 0:00:11.240 Hopefully your team's made it through to the GF in 0:00:11.260 --> 0:00:14.020 the AFL or one south of it in the National 0:00:14.060 --> 0:00:16.980 Rugby League. But even if your team isn't part of 0:00:17.020 --> 0:00:19.540 that final two or the final four, the team that's 0:00:19.660 --> 0:00:21.880 kicking goals for you each and every night... Yeah, OK, 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.000 I'll stick with it... is here right now each and 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.900 every Sunday to Thursday. Alright, tonight, Airbus Albo up and 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.340 about again. This time he's playing with Apple phones as 0:00:31.420 --> 0:00:36.140 a way to show you I understand technology from 2008. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.960 The Coalition has released its plan for education. It includes 0:00:40.050 --> 0:00:45.550 more discipline in classrooms. Good. And poor old Ed Sheeran. Now, 0:00:45.690 --> 0:00:49.570 he's done nothing wrong, but because he didn't do something right, 0:00:50.450 --> 0:00:52.230 he's had to read what looks like a sort of 0:00:52.690 --> 0:00:56.590 hostage video, frankly, double-checking his autocue to say just the 0:00:56.660 --> 0:00:59.560 right amount of something to never offend anything. But, of course, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.160 on that topic, there is no way of pleasing everyone. 0:01:03.740 --> 0:01:05.319 This time next week, we're going to be in Bathurst, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:06.800 and I want you to join us. We're going to 0:01:06.819 --> 0:01:08.530 be at the National Motor Racing Museum. We were there 0:01:08.550 --> 0:01:11.290 a couple of years ago. We are going back because, 0:01:11.310 --> 0:01:13.630 of course, 20 years since the great man left us, 0:01:13.650 --> 0:01:15.410 a couple of weeks out from the race, but there's 0:01:15.470 --> 0:01:17.750 a lot more to Bathurst than just motor racing. So 0:01:18.130 --> 0:01:20.660 if you can join us next Sunday. Now, this is 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.240 going to be school holidays in New South Wales, so 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:30.679 no excuses, hey? Our town at news24. com. au. Our town at news24. com. au. 0:01:27.900 --> 0:01:30.980 Next Sunday, let us fill the room. You can tell 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.600 by the number of times I have been plugging this, 0:01:32.700 --> 0:01:34.610 it is a very big room. So I want as 0:01:34.620 --> 0:01:36.470 many people to be there as possible. You can do 0:01:36.530 --> 0:01:38.930 so by getting free tickets right now. We want them 0:01:38.950 --> 0:01:40.830 to be for the people who watch the show, be 0:01:40.870 --> 0:01:43.310 it Foxtel, free to wear or through the app, okay? 0:01:43.430 --> 0:01:50.540 Our town at news24. com. au. Now, there is some... Very heavy-hearted 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.980 news at the start of this evening's program and the 0:01:54.020 --> 0:01:56.700 start of our working week. And for me, it is 0:01:56.860 --> 0:02:00.150 one of, like, my top five Australians ever. I love 0:02:00.170 --> 0:02:03.410 John Farnham, like millions of people love John Farnham, and 0:02:03.430 --> 0:02:07.350 there's some really sad news around at the moment. John Farnham, 0:02:07.370 --> 0:02:09.389 of course, is a powerhouse. He's been a powerhouse since 0:02:09.410 --> 0:02:11.410 he was on stage in the 60s. Then, of course, 0:02:11.510 --> 0:02:16.530 Whispering Jack and it all just went unbelievable. Unbelievable since then. Tonight, 0:02:16.550 --> 0:02:21.460 there is a tribute concert because... We are basically in 0:02:21.500 --> 0:02:24.580 and around the 40th anniversary of Whispering Jack, that incredible 0:02:24.700 --> 0:02:28.380 album that, well, almost every Australian household had, and that 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.779 came out 40 years ago. Now, some people were able 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.100 to get access to it towards the end of September. 0:02:33.139 --> 0:02:35.330 Some people got it in October. So the exact date 0:02:35.750 --> 0:02:38.290 is sort of up and about a little bit. But 0:02:38.570 --> 0:02:42.310 you know that front cover. You know that legendary album. 0:02:42.590 --> 0:02:44.010 You may have had it as an album, you may 0:02:44.030 --> 0:02:46.310 have had it as a CD, but certainly the black 0:02:46.350 --> 0:02:50.700 and white image of John Farnham whispering And remember, the 0:02:50.820 --> 0:02:53.970 story of this is incredible because he basically had to 0:02:54.010 --> 0:02:56.030 go all in. His manager, of course, had to go 0:02:56.190 --> 0:02:58.130 all in. This was the last roll of the dice. 0:02:58.210 --> 0:02:59.890 It was, of course, the biggest roll of the dice 0:03:00.070 --> 0:03:02.840 of his career. Why am I mentioning all of this 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:04.620 at the start of the show? Because John Farnham is 0:03:04.660 --> 0:03:07.840 not at the tribute concert. And it seems that he 0:03:07.900 --> 0:03:10.380 is in very bad health. Now, I hope this story 0:03:10.419 --> 0:03:13.080 gets better rather than worse. But I just want to 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.620 say on the behalf of everyone who's ever seen him live, 0:03:15.710 --> 0:03:18.210 heard his music, had the privilege to talk to him 0:03:18.270 --> 0:03:20.889 or just admired him from afar, we love this bloke, 0:03:21.610 --> 0:03:25.570 former Australian of the Year. And that album is absolutely 0:03:25.790 --> 0:03:29.930 like one of the like four pillars, his career is 0:03:29.950 --> 0:03:32.210 one of the four pillars that I base, you know, 0:03:32.230 --> 0:03:35.660 my sense of Australian culture upon. Yeah, that's how big 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.130 he is for me. And sadly, the reason he's not there, 0:03:39.150 --> 0:03:42.010 and obviously he can't sing because of the cancer that 0:03:42.030 --> 0:03:44.860 he's been dealing with, but it seems like the situation 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.240 he's going through is getting pretty full on, to the 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:53.559 extent now that this Australian icon is apparently needing 24-7 0:03:53.740 --> 0:03:57.120 medical care. And that, of course, is not good news, 0:03:57.250 --> 0:04:00.330 but it means more time with his family and it means, 0:04:00.430 --> 0:04:02.050 for those of us who love him, to send him 0:04:02.090 --> 0:04:05.210 as much strength as we possibly can. His family released 0:04:05.290 --> 0:04:08.990 a statement last night ahead of this evening's concert in Melbourne. 0:04:10.390 --> 0:04:13.870 But the man himself won't be there. His family releasing 0:04:13.910 --> 0:04:18.590 a heartbreaking update, revealing John now requires continuous oxygen support 0:04:18.950 --> 0:04:22.250 and uses a wheelchair for mobility. It has also become 0:04:22.290 --> 0:04:26.500 necessary for John to receive 24-hour nursing care at home. 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.520 We hope that everyone understands that we had to keep 0:04:29.580 --> 0:04:30.660 that pretty close. 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:35.880 To the vest. The vibrancy of this dude... from when 0:04:35.900 --> 0:04:38.300 he was, you know, the king of pop, teen idol, 0:04:38.339 --> 0:04:40.440 as they used to call him, all the way through to, again, 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.380 the Australian of the Year, an absolute icon of the 1980s, 0:04:44.420 --> 0:04:46.560 a legend of the 90s, and kept powering on in 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.810 performance all the way through till just a couple of 0:04:48.820 --> 0:04:51.750 years ago. In fact, the story of Whispering Jack is 0:04:51.890 --> 0:04:54.630 one that I hope you already know. There's been documentaries, 0:04:54.670 --> 0:04:57.730 there's been films about it, but the story behind it 0:04:57.890 --> 0:05:01.390 and what went into it is a phenomenal one, and 0:05:01.850 --> 0:05:05.750 it's actually going to be a new Australian musical It's 0:05:05.830 --> 0:05:07.530 one that no doubt will end up touring the country 0:05:07.570 --> 0:05:09.730 for years and years, but that is going to premiere 0:05:09.830 --> 0:05:12.030 later in the year. It's going to start at the 0:05:12.070 --> 0:05:14.270 Sydney Theatre Company and then slowly but surely make its 0:05:14.330 --> 0:05:17.420 way around the country. Big pressure on whoever's playing John, 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.200 but apparently the young bloke is phenomenal. But this bloke 0:05:21.260 --> 0:05:23.640 is one of those legends and he is still with us. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.500 So I wish that to be for as long as 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.540 possible and I wish for the people who know him 0:05:28.900 --> 0:05:32.000 better than any fan could, his family, and for those 0:05:32.100 --> 0:05:34.720 who have supported him, and been around him for his 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.620 entire life to enjoy as much time as there possibly 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.140 is to have with the great man. And I hope 0:05:39.660 --> 0:05:41.859 that we are talking about this again in a year 0:05:41.900 --> 0:05:44.020 and two years and three years and five years because 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.909 I don't even want to contemplate anything else. So strength 0:05:47.930 --> 0:05:50.470 and love to John Farnham, an absolute Australian legend, not 0:05:50.490 --> 0:05:53.250 just from me but presumably for many, if not all, 0:05:53.270 --> 0:05:55.770 of the people watching right now. Go and find his stuff. 0:05:55.810 --> 0:05:58.589 Listen to it online. Go and pull out the old CDs. 0:05:58.650 --> 0:06:00.430 Give the old LP another ripple. Go and have a 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:06.250 look at YouTube. This bloke, unbelievable. someone we admire, someone 0:06:06.270 --> 0:06:08.190 we have to put up with, the Prime Minister. And 0:06:08.250 --> 0:06:11.159 Airbus Albo is up and off again. Why? Because flying 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.320 around the world is so much more fun than working here, where, 0:06:15.339 --> 0:06:17.520 of course, almost six in ten people are dissatisfied with 0:06:17.540 --> 0:06:21.040 the job the Prime Minister is currently doing. He has 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.740 landed in the United States because this week is, well, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.960 two of his favourite things to talk about, climate change, 0:06:25.980 --> 0:06:30.260 and then he's going to talk an awful lot about AI. Now, 0:06:30.300 --> 0:06:32.279 is he going to the White House after landing in 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:33.300 the US? No. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:33.380 No. 0:06:34.210 --> 0:06:36.980 Because he landed at Los Angeles. Then, of course, he 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.660 took the turn off to Cupertino, and today he met 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:44.810 with the former CEO of Apple. He did so on 0:06:44.850 --> 0:06:48.330 a weekend, and he was taking the Australian media all 0:06:48.390 --> 0:06:51.270 around Apple Park. I must say, it was sort of 0:06:51.370 --> 0:06:53.720 very close to bordering on some sort of an advertorial, 0:06:53.740 --> 0:06:56.840 but anyway... Apparently, the Prime Minister needed to see with 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.000 his own eyes what he could have just seen in 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:03.120 his hands, which is the parental controls that exist on 0:07:03.220 --> 0:07:06.080 an iPhone. Now, these parental controls are not just limited 0:07:06.140 --> 0:07:08.400 to the stuff that has just been released or the 0:07:08.540 --> 0:07:10.120 foldy one that comes out in a couple of weeks. 0:07:10.180 --> 0:07:12.360 It's all available as a result of anyone who's got 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:19.290 one of the relatively modern ones and the recent software update. But, 0:07:19.300 --> 0:07:21.500 of course, it gave the Prime Minister an opportunity to 0:07:21.540 --> 0:07:23.420 not have to talk about the boring stuff like, you know, 0:07:23.580 --> 0:07:26.960 running this joint into the ground. Instead, he just kind 0:07:27.020 --> 0:07:30.850 of fanboyed at our expense while in Cupertino. 0:07:32.270 --> 0:07:36.770 What I saw this morning was demonstration of how it's 0:07:36.830 --> 0:07:41.920 not just the absolute use of AI, but the devices 0:07:41.980 --> 0:07:44.100 themselves can be. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:46.020 Changed. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:50.740 We've seen the capacity of Apple... to do that with 0:07:50.860 --> 0:07:55.700 the parental controls and with the new features that are 0:07:55.860 --> 0:07:57.280 on their new designs. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.840 And of course, why do the media not just send 0:08:00.940 --> 0:08:02.520 one camera to cover this, but they've all got to 0:08:02.540 --> 0:08:05.870 go and cover it? Because then they themselves get to 0:08:05.910 --> 0:08:09.990 cover the political news story, which is essentially standing in 0:08:10.030 --> 0:08:15.620 front of the Apple store at Apple Park. And of course, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.640 there's no reason why Apple would want to be in 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.650 the news, considering that the brand new version of the 0:08:19.730 --> 0:08:22.490 iPhone has literally just come out, and the Duo's coming 0:08:22.510 --> 0:08:25.110 out in a couple of weeks' time. So what could 0:08:25.130 --> 0:08:26.770 have just been a meeting between the Prime Minister and 0:08:26.790 --> 0:08:29.060 the boss of Apple somewhere, it had to happen at 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.280 Apple Park, because Apple kind of is in the news 0:08:32.460 --> 0:08:34.359 a little bit at the moment. Oh no, you have 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.140 to come to us, mate. You've got to come to 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.510 us so I can show you the.. setting section of 0:08:39.530 --> 0:08:43.460 an iPhone, because that's not possibly available in Australia. You know, Australia, 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.040 by the way, has a CEO of Apple based here, 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.580 so they could have gone around a Kirribilli-Hausen journey, but no, no, 0:08:49.020 --> 0:08:53.600 not as interesting, right? And even, believe it or not, 0:08:53.620 --> 0:08:56.500 the ABC was doing interviews from Apple Park, because, again, 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.209 this isn't a company, this is just one of those 0:08:58.250 --> 0:09:00.950 sort of above-the-company, kind of like hanging out with one 0:09:00.970 --> 0:09:06.969 of the companies that run the world, right? Wow! Now, 0:09:07.290 --> 0:09:10.130 the apparent work of this week that the Prime Minister 0:09:10.150 --> 0:09:13.689 will be doing while chalking up the credits and the 0:09:14.150 --> 0:09:17.050 frequent flyers on Toto 1 is that he's eventually going 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.480 to make his way to the United Nations. He'll be 0:09:19.500 --> 0:09:21.780 in New York in the next couple of days because 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.080 it's Climate Week, another week for the United Nations to 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.400 tell us that we have already turned the corner, but 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.520 it's not too late to turn the corner, so we 0:09:29.540 --> 0:09:31.720 should do everything that they want to do to help 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:36.100 us turn the corner, despite the fact that China... the 0:09:36.130 --> 0:09:39.580 United States, India, Russia, sort of two-thirds of the climate 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.280 change clock in terms of countries, are producing more problems 0:09:43.340 --> 0:09:45.460 than solving. Australia is 1% of the world's problem, but 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.620 apparently we will all naturally fix that. Oh, the other 0:09:49.660 --> 0:09:52.330 reason that we're there is because, did you know that Australia, 0:09:52.370 --> 0:09:54.190 of all the countries in all of the world, is 0:09:54.210 --> 0:09:59.170 in the top 10 of countries that fund the United Nations? Now, 0:09:59.210 --> 0:10:00.960 we're not top 10. We're it comes to how big 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.699 our economy is we're not top 10 when it comes 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.220 to our population but no we totally buy into this 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:10.200 idea of shoving so much money into the United Nations 0:10:10.300 --> 0:10:13.340 for the United Nations to be able to do what 0:10:13.780 --> 0:10:17.940 for us Instead, the reason the Prime Minister is going 0:10:17.980 --> 0:10:21.079 to be there is because he, just like previous Labor 0:10:21.100 --> 0:10:25.040 governments and the time when Julie Bishop was the Foreign 0:10:25.179 --> 0:10:27.310 Affairs Minister in this country, they want us to have 0:10:27.350 --> 0:10:31.390 a seat on the National Security Committee, on the Global 0:10:31.429 --> 0:10:36.929 Security Committee, the Security Council of the United Nations. They 0:10:36.970 --> 0:10:38.150 want us to do that. 0:10:39.270 --> 0:10:39.340 OK. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.290 OK. But despite the fact that Australia is such a 0:10:43.530 --> 0:10:46.750 massive seller to the United Nations, giver of money to 0:10:46.770 --> 0:10:48.910 the United Nations, and we'd like a really important seat 0:10:49.390 --> 0:10:52.910 in a body that, by the way, can be vetoed 0:10:53.429 --> 0:10:58.090 by the United States, by Russia, by France, by the UK. 0:10:58.130 --> 0:11:00.150 So we're just sort of, we'll be one of the group, 0:11:00.170 --> 0:11:01.890 but we can be overruled by any one of the 0:11:01.910 --> 0:11:05.240 group at any time. So again, when the Prime Minister 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.680 is standing up, giving the speeches, will he be mentioning China? 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.600 The people basically responsible for a third of the world pollution? 0:11:11.620 --> 0:11:15.179 Will it be cracking into the Americans, the Russians, the Indians, 0:11:15.580 --> 0:11:19.490 the developing world, the global south, the third world as 0:11:19.530 --> 0:11:21.630 it used to be called? No, of course not. Because 0:11:21.710 --> 0:11:24.270 Australia is the one that will change everything. Why? Because 0:11:24.309 --> 0:11:27.460 that is the arrogance that this bloke brings to the table. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.770 But despite the wall-to-wall coverage that you're going to get 0:11:30.830 --> 0:11:33.309 this week of a Prime Minister on the international stage 0:11:33.390 --> 0:11:37.470 doing great things that not since John Curtin and Bob 0:11:37.510 --> 0:11:39.910 Hawke as an Australian leader have been able to do overseas, 0:11:40.650 --> 0:11:42.740 just pay attention to how few people are actually going 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.839 to be in the audience when he speaks. The last 0:11:44.860 --> 0:11:48.040 time that he spoke at the United Nations, oof, he 0:11:48.100 --> 0:11:51.600 packed them in. Oh, there wasn't a dry eye or 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.650 a filled seat in the joint. But this is a 0:11:55.670 --> 0:11:58.130 chance for all the political people to do a piece 0:11:58.170 --> 0:12:00.150 to camera in front of the United Nations. Here I am, 0:12:00.429 --> 0:12:04.880 an international man of misery, talking about big global things that, 0:12:04.900 --> 0:12:06.340 of course, Australia will not be able to fix. We're 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.120 just part of the solution. Despite the fact that we 0:12:10.179 --> 0:12:13.160 are paying more than most of the nations that are there. 0:12:14.630 --> 0:12:16.410 including some of the nations that will have the opportunity 0:12:16.470 --> 0:12:18.290 to overrule us if we actually end up on the 0:12:18.330 --> 0:12:20.490 Security Council. But, you know, you say any of this stuff, 0:12:20.730 --> 0:12:24.170 you're just some crazy knuckle-dragger who wants Australia to just 0:12:24.210 --> 0:12:26.329 be at the arse end of the world, as Keating 0:12:26.410 --> 0:12:29.570 used to say. No, we can do our bit, but 0:12:29.610 --> 0:12:31.750 the idea that we do so much more than our 0:12:31.790 --> 0:12:34.300 bit when people here, three million people will run out 0:12:34.340 --> 0:12:37.439 of food in this country this week, where more people 0:12:37.460 --> 0:12:40.060 than ever before are homeless in this country, no-one cares, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.110 no-one cares. Because look what we're going to do over there. 0:12:43.130 --> 0:12:45.610 We're going to ban and change social media. Why? Because 0:12:45.650 --> 0:12:51.500 I've been to Apple. I understand tech. Now, the other 0:12:51.510 --> 0:12:53.480 little thing worth having a look at here, which is 0:12:53.500 --> 0:12:57.020 the endless push for big Australia. 30 years ago, John 0:12:57.059 --> 0:12:59.359 Howard's a Prime Minister. 30 years ago, we're getting ready 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.979 for the Sydney Olympics in the year 2000. 30 years ago, 0:13:01.980 --> 0:13:08.579 18 million people live in Australia. It's now 28 million. Now, 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.079 not a lot of that, well, some of that, of course, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.440 comes from birth, but most of it comes from people 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.870 coming into the country, right? And it doesn't matter how 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.570 many polls and where they come from. They say the 0:13:17.610 --> 0:13:20.410 same thing. Should Australia reduce the amount of immigration we 0:13:20.450 --> 0:13:25.630 have in Australia? Yes. By how much? A lot. Again, 0:13:25.670 --> 0:13:27.340 it doesn't matter where the poll comes from. It's the 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.839 same poll every time. And the party that's most associated 0:13:31.860 --> 0:13:35.240 with serious cuts towards migration that theoretically would help them 0:13:35.260 --> 0:13:37.610 in the polls because every poll, regardless of whether it's 0:13:37.650 --> 0:13:41.230 the Turnbull Times or it's the IPA, it's all the 0:13:41.270 --> 0:13:45.580 same finding every time, is that people unsurprisingly know that 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.600 they are the frog in the pot, that when a country... 0:13:49.410 --> 0:13:52.530 had 18 million people, and now, 30 years later, it's 0:13:52.550 --> 0:13:55.130 got another 10 million people in it, yet the hospital 0:13:55.150 --> 0:13:57.790 hasn't really changed since 1996, and the way to work 0:13:57.809 --> 0:14:00.690 hasn't really changed since 1996. But shut up. You're the 0:14:00.750 --> 0:14:04.030 one with the problem, apparently. Of course, Pauline Hanson, she 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.640 wants no migration for three years, and then when she 0:14:07.660 --> 0:14:10.580 brings it back, it'll be only $ 130, 000 a year, which 0:14:10.660 --> 0:14:12.819 is less than half of the current number. 0:14:15.500 --> 0:14:19.140 For a period of three years, we will deliver net 0:14:19.340 --> 0:14:23.720 negative migration by drastically cutting the number of temporary visa holders. 0:14:24.900 --> 0:14:27.989 The Liberal Party has a policy but then still tells 0:14:28.070 --> 0:14:30.230 us they're going to announce their policy, so hence why 0:14:30.250 --> 0:14:31.950 their policy isn't really helping them when it comes to 0:14:31.990 --> 0:14:34.530 the polls. Because I thought they had announced their policy, 0:14:34.570 --> 0:14:37.550 the policy being that they think that migration should be 0:14:37.610 --> 0:14:41.130 linked to homes. So if we make 200,000 homes each 0:14:41.170 --> 0:14:42.930 and every year, then there's an extra spot for 200,000 0:14:42.930 --> 0:14:46.080 people to join the party. If we only make 50,000, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.540 then that would be the number. Again, the opposition leader. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.180 We'll end Labor's mass migration and shift to skilled migration 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:02.580 that supports small businesses... nation building projects and regional Australia. 0:15:02.740 --> 0:15:05.500 We will cap migration below the number of new homes 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:10.040 built each year to close Labor's housing shortfall in three 0:15:10.060 --> 0:15:10.800 to four years. 0:15:12.220 --> 0:15:14.590 And then there's Tony Burke. Well, remember last week we 0:15:14.610 --> 0:15:16.730 were being told what the Labor Party's position was, which 0:15:16.770 --> 0:15:17.870 was a little bit of a trim here and a 0:15:17.890 --> 0:15:19.710 little bit of a trim there. So, OK, about the 0:15:19.830 --> 0:15:24.230 overall number that is currently unpopular with every version of 0:15:24.290 --> 0:15:26.750 pollster in Australia because they talk to normal people in 0:15:26.810 --> 0:15:30.120 Australia who've seen 10 million people, the growth of population 0:15:30.150 --> 0:15:32.410 in 30 years. Is that number going to be cut? 0:15:33.460 --> 0:15:33.640 No. 0:15:35.980 --> 0:15:38.710 Tumbleweeds nothing but we've got a policy they've got some 0:15:38.730 --> 0:15:41.890 trims okay but they don't have anywhere near something that 0:15:41.930 --> 0:15:45.290 matches what people want but quick look over here I'm 0:15:45.330 --> 0:15:47.610 at apple look over here this week I'm going to 0:15:47.670 --> 0:15:50.270 solve climate change while not calling out the Chinese or 0:15:50.290 --> 0:15:52.840 the Russians and definitely not the Indians why because that 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:59.790 would somehow be uncomfortable Well, the government last week tried 0:15:59.810 --> 0:16:02.620 to tell us that they were doing something about migration. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.080 Here's the real reason why they will do very little 0:16:05.220 --> 0:16:09.380 about migration. Because the Australian budget needs as many taxpayers 0:16:09.460 --> 0:16:12.760 as possible. The thing that's annoying about a baby that's 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.540 born here is that the baby, of course, has to 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.440 go through early childhood, go through primary school, go through 0:16:19.500 --> 0:16:23.320 high school, and then, then, what, about 16 can maybe 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.240 start to work, but they're going to be earning under 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.590 40 grand, so they're not paying any tax. So then 0:16:27.630 --> 0:16:30.550 maybe they'll, by the age of 18, go off and 0:16:30.630 --> 0:16:33.160 become an apprentice. Again, not going to learn and earn 0:16:33.180 --> 0:16:34.940 an awful lot of money. Then maybe they go off 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.980 to university. Again, it's free, so you don't have to 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.370 earn a lot of money to go through it. So 0:16:39.690 --> 0:16:42.450 you're kind of talking about your 20s. before somebody actually 0:16:42.490 --> 0:16:46.610 starts paying tax. Whereas if you bring somebody in from overseas, 0:16:46.650 --> 0:16:48.369 guess what? If they're over the age of 18 and 0:16:48.390 --> 0:16:50.990 they're a skilled migrant because we need those skills because 0:16:51.010 --> 0:16:52.950 we've told everyone they're not allowed to go to TAFE 0:16:53.190 --> 0:16:56.090 and becoming a builder is somehow a greater failure at 0:16:56.150 --> 0:17:00.870 life than being the head of marketing or the psychologist 0:17:00.910 --> 0:17:03.530 or the film studies or the journalism person or the 0:17:03.580 --> 0:17:09.160 studying of world politics or studying the political philosophies of 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.170 Paul Keating, which is what Jim Chalmers did. You see 0:17:13.210 --> 0:17:16.290 how it just creates a constant, right? They want people 0:17:16.330 --> 0:17:17.730 to come in over the age of 18 and start 0:17:17.780 --> 0:17:21.600 paying tax from day one. A kid is inconvenient because, firstly, 0:17:21.619 --> 0:17:23.000 you've got to wait 20 years for them to pay 0:17:23.020 --> 0:17:25.200 tax and, secondly, it costs the government a lot of money. 0:17:25.220 --> 0:17:27.660 I mean, there's no childcare money in somebody who comes 0:17:27.700 --> 0:17:29.919 in from overseas. There's no primary school you've got to 0:17:29.940 --> 0:17:35.919 pay for. Bugger teacher salaries. Superannuation on university graduates, university lecturers. 0:17:36.030 --> 0:17:38.090 None of that is relevant when the person comes in 0:17:38.310 --> 0:17:42.270 ready-made pay tax from day one. Which is why the 0:17:42.369 --> 0:17:45.590 money man, who of course is running the country with 0:17:45.630 --> 0:17:49.910 a trillion dollars worth of deficit, with deficits as far 0:17:49.970 --> 0:17:52.609 as the eye can see for the next 40 years, 0:17:53.890 --> 0:17:59.720 knows there is only one solution, one solution to even 0:17:59.740 --> 0:18:03.280 being able to see the finish line. And that's to 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.600 bring more people in who are paying more tax from 0:18:05.740 --> 0:18:11.389 day one. Fertility rates are falling further and faster. And 0:18:11.410 --> 0:18:16.540 the population is growing slower. See, that's the whole problem, right? 0:18:17.660 --> 0:18:21.280 Because the people who are here are not having enough kids. Now, 0:18:21.900 --> 0:18:24.560 you will immediately say, well, that's all those lefties that 0:18:24.580 --> 0:18:26.460 aren't doing it for climate change, or it's the righties 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.240 who think there's about to be a nuclear bomb dropped 0:18:28.260 --> 0:18:33.290 from somewhere. The reality, of course, it costs a lot 0:18:33.330 --> 0:18:35.810 of money to be able to have a baby in Australia. 0:18:36.710 --> 0:18:39.120 And it doesn't matter whether... your parents were born here 0:18:39.180 --> 0:18:41.129 or your parents came from somewhere else, that is the 0:18:41.170 --> 0:18:44.810 same problem that exists for every person here. So unless 0:18:45.030 --> 0:18:47.490 it's going to be three kids for every family, not 0:18:47.510 --> 0:18:49.629 just to replace mum and dad, but to grow the 0:18:49.670 --> 0:18:52.610 tax base by one, guess what? Another one from overseas. 0:18:52.650 --> 0:18:57.950 Another one from overseas. And what started as 18 million 0:18:57.950 --> 0:19:01.470 30 years ago, which becomes 28 30 years later, starts 0:19:01.490 --> 0:19:06.209 to head towards 40 within 20 years, starts to head 0:19:06.250 --> 0:19:09.900 towards 50 In 30 years. Not my numbers. Not my numbers. 0:19:10.859 --> 0:19:13.040 The numbers of the Australian Bureau of Statistics. I show 0:19:13.060 --> 0:19:17.850 them to you quite regularly. And unsurprisingly, there's plenty of 0:19:17.910 --> 0:19:21.150 Australians who've had enough with what's happened to their suburb. 0:19:21.190 --> 0:19:23.450 And I'm not talking about the shop that used to 0:19:23.490 --> 0:19:25.929 be this that's now that. I'm talking about simply the 0:19:25.970 --> 0:19:28.030 number of people who are on the road when you 0:19:28.070 --> 0:19:31.980 go to work every morning. These were some maps I 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:33.959 showed you a few weeks ago. The darker the colour, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:40.560 the greater increase in population. In Sydney, Camden, which is 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.960 sort of towards the middle but towards the bottom of 0:19:42.980 --> 0:19:45.379 the graph, well, they went from 45,000 people in 2001 0:19:45.380 --> 0:19:53.560 to now 146,000. people. Mossman, which, of course, is one 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.760 of the very wealthy suburbs where a lot of people 0:19:56.780 --> 0:19:58.399 in the media live, where a lot of people in 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.340 the political world live, where, of course, the Tiffany Teal represents, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:08.949 their population's gone from 27,000 in 20 years to 29,000. Jeez, 0:20:08.990 --> 0:20:11.109 what a surprise that the Tiffany Teals never have a 0:20:11.130 --> 0:20:13.510 problem when it comes to mass migration. And anyone who 0:20:13.550 --> 0:20:15.409 talks about it, well, they're a racist because, of course, 0:20:15.430 --> 0:20:20.930 they represent places that haven't changed, population-wise. What about in Melbourne? 0:20:21.130 --> 0:20:25.560 There's Melton City, far left of the graphic, or Wyndham City. Again, 0:20:25.580 --> 0:20:29.520 darker the colour, bigger the population change. What about Wyndham? 0:20:29.820 --> 0:20:35.720 It's gone from 86,000 to 347,000 people, one local government area. 0:20:36.060 --> 0:20:39.639 It didn't grow outwards, it grew upwards. And all the 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.659 frustrations that come with all of that. Again, I'm not 0:20:41.700 --> 0:20:43.960 even getting into anything cultural. I'm not going to put 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.240 my foot in that quicksand. It's just simply about the 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.100 number of people. And if Australia had built a brand 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.850 new hospital every five years, I wouldn't be talking about this. 0:20:53.790 --> 0:20:56.110 If we had built new roads every 10 years that 0:20:56.190 --> 0:21:00.370 weren't tollways, I'd be talking. I wouldn't be talking about this. 0:21:01.770 --> 0:21:03.630 If the school didn't look like the one you went 0:21:03.710 --> 0:21:07.780 to 30 years ago, I wouldn't be talking about it. 0:21:08.630 --> 0:21:12.949 But all of that is the truth. Now, I have 0:21:12.970 --> 0:21:14.590 gone through a process where plenty of people have said, 0:21:14.690 --> 0:21:17.570 I remember you when you were on the radio and 0:21:17.609 --> 0:21:21.330 you were a lefty, right? I'm exactly the same person 0:21:21.450 --> 0:21:23.770 I was. Now, okay, a few things change here and there. 0:21:24.210 --> 0:21:25.810 But guess what's happened? We've moved so far to the 0:21:25.890 --> 0:21:29.230 left that what was just kind of normal, kind of 0:21:29.250 --> 0:21:33.189 normal 30 years ago, oh, now that's the far right, 0:21:33.410 --> 0:21:36.840 the far right. that if you're going to have all 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.030 that population, it should be spread about. And maybe the 0:21:40.070 --> 0:21:44.270 people who dominate the conversation, like the ones who live 0:21:44.290 --> 0:21:48.630 in the suburbs that have only had in 25 years 0:21:48.630 --> 0:21:52.960 2,000 more people move in, should take a back seat 0:21:52.980 --> 0:21:55.260 to the people whose areas have, of course, completely and 0:21:55.320 --> 0:22:01.140 radically changed, like the one in Brisbane. Again, the darker 0:22:01.180 --> 0:22:05.210 you get, the bigger the change. In Brisbane, Ipswich has 0:22:05.270 --> 0:22:08.830 gone nuts. Moreton Bay, which is to the north, sort 0:22:08.850 --> 0:22:11.630 of in and around beautiful Redcliffe. Love that part of Brisbane. 0:22:11.630 --> 0:22:13.240 283,000 in Moreton Bay, 2001. 0:22:13.220 --> 0:22:13.480 532,000 people now. 0:22:13.490 --> 0:22:15.659 The local government area of Somerset, which has got a 0:22:15.670 --> 0:22:24.899 few sort of cool cats in it. That's gone from 0:22:24.900 --> 0:22:28.220 17,000 to 26,000. Geez, isn't that amazing? All the places 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.920 that the Greens represent, all the places that Teals represent, 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.560 they don't represent the substantial changes that have happened in 0:22:34.580 --> 0:22:39.940 the past 30 years. Nothing to see here. And I 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.290 was reading some analysis, by the way, from Cos Samaras 0:22:42.310 --> 0:22:44.370 over the weekend. He's got a great sub stack. It's free. 0:22:44.390 --> 0:22:46.030 You can go and sign up to it. Just put 0:22:46.050 --> 0:22:48.869 a link up on our page at Facebook. So just 0:22:48.890 --> 0:22:51.149 search for Paul Murray Live. Like it and annoy a 0:22:51.170 --> 0:22:55.330 lefty if you can. which is that Secret Harbour, the 0:22:55.410 --> 0:22:58.550 demographics of Secret Harbour, right, the type of workers, the 0:22:58.590 --> 0:23:01.929 type of residents, the type of voters, there are 11 0:23:01.930 --> 0:23:05.669 seats in the Victorian Parliament that are basically exactly the 0:23:05.710 --> 0:23:08.510 same as Secret Harbour. Jeez, I wonder if they've changed 0:23:08.570 --> 0:23:10.820 much in the past 30 years. I wonder if they're 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.879 the people that are going to tell the Labor Party, sorry, 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.000 we trusted you before, we're not trusting you again. I 0:23:15.340 --> 0:23:16.620 wonder if they're the people that are going to say 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.240 to the Liberal Party, who are now suddenly annoyed about migration, 0:23:19.260 --> 0:23:21.530 yet they kind of have been in charge of quite 0:23:21.550 --> 0:23:24.310 a few times in the past 30 years, that maybe 0:23:24.350 --> 0:23:25.889 we are past the point of no return for some 0:23:25.910 --> 0:23:27.930 of the conversations that should have been had 30 years ago, 0:23:27.970 --> 0:23:30.550 but of course we can't have them now. Why? Trouble 0:23:30.609 --> 0:23:39.220 for everyone. Now, while the Prime Minister was selling iPhones 0:23:39.500 --> 0:23:42.280 in Apple's HQ on the weekend, remember this didn't happen 0:23:42.300 --> 0:23:44.340 on a work day, to get Tim Cook in on 0:23:44.380 --> 0:23:48.350 a Saturday, they've already just released the Foldy phone. This 0:23:48.390 --> 0:23:50.290 was all, of course, the giant stunt. Why? Because they've 0:23:50.310 --> 0:23:54.110 got a brand new product out this weekend. Does anyone 0:23:54.510 --> 0:23:58.250 join the dots? Does anyone care? No, because I get 0:23:58.290 --> 0:24:02.980 a chance to stand here. Angus Taylor was where he 0:24:03.020 --> 0:24:05.620 should have been, which was focused on real things in Australia, 0:24:05.660 --> 0:24:07.379 and good on the Coalition because they came out with 0:24:07.420 --> 0:24:11.540 a policy to reduce the amount of petrol tax. Now, 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.619 I think their threshold's a little too high, but still, 0:24:13.660 --> 0:24:16.359 let's give credit where it's due. They're the only people 0:24:16.580 --> 0:24:19.260 in the game right now who have explained that when 0:24:19.300 --> 0:24:21.560 the world oil price is where it currently is now, 0:24:21.700 --> 0:24:23.359 or even higher, which it expects to go for the 0:24:23.380 --> 0:24:25.379 next little while, there'll be an automatic cut to your 0:24:25.500 --> 0:24:26.110 fuel bill. 0:24:27.510 --> 0:24:30.830 Fuel price shield is all about providing relief at the 0:24:30.910 --> 0:24:34.090 Bowser when it really counts. So when we see two 0:24:34.130 --> 0:24:36.730 weeks where the price has averaged over $ 100 a barrel, 0:24:37.090 --> 0:24:40.449 which means we're getting up towards $ 3 a litre at 0:24:40.490 --> 0:24:43.649 the Bowser, there will be relief for Australians under a 0:24:43.710 --> 0:24:44.689 coalition government. 0:24:45.900 --> 0:24:49.440 Now, I said $ 100 a barrel for oil is when 0:24:49.460 --> 0:24:51.740 this thing kicks in. The asterisk on all of this 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.220 is it's only happened a couple of times in recent times, 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.080 and it's all, of course, post-Iran. So it is something 0:24:58.140 --> 0:25:00.520 that's only going to kick in during extreme moments, which 0:25:00.580 --> 0:25:02.820 is why I think it should be closer to $ 90 0:25:02.700 --> 0:25:05.100 a barrel, because, in my view, it is immoral for 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.980 the federal government to be charging 52 cents per litre 0:25:08.460 --> 0:25:10.899 on the fuel that is the one that is powering 0:25:10.940 --> 0:25:13.790 the car, powering the trucks to move everything around. And, yes, 0:25:13.910 --> 0:25:15.270 one day it will all be electric and it will 0:25:15.290 --> 0:25:18.609 all be different. But that's not changing tomorrow, because breaking news, 0:25:18.869 --> 0:25:20.929 not everyone can afford a new car. Not everyone can 0:25:20.990 --> 0:25:23.230 lease one. Not everyone can borrow one. So guess what? 0:25:23.410 --> 0:25:25.450 They're going to keep driving around in the petrol cars. 0:25:25.830 --> 0:25:27.949 And those are the people who can least afford to 0:25:27.970 --> 0:25:30.510 be paying 52 cents per litre in tax to the 0:25:30.550 --> 0:25:33.889 federal government who supposedly cares about the worker. So how 0:25:33.950 --> 0:25:35.210 does this work, Mr Taylor? 0:25:36.369 --> 0:25:38.020 Now, we will fully fund that. 0:25:38.380 --> 0:25:40.340 Through our cut to the tobacco excise. 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:41.980 And this is two for the price of one. We 0:25:42.020 --> 0:25:46.899 cut two excises, two tax, two taxes at once, and 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:51.320 we give relief to Australians where they really need it 0:25:51.500 --> 0:25:52.280 at the bowser. 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.220 Now, one last thing, as I've got all this energy 0:25:56.260 --> 0:25:58.140 on a Sunday night, which is to set the table 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.960 that while the Prime Minister is away, the Treasurer will play, 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:02.899 the future Prime Minister will play, and I'm not just 0:26:02.940 --> 0:26:05.330 talking about Annika Wells. She will, of course, be over 0:26:05.350 --> 0:26:07.690 in the United Nations, hopefully for a little less money 0:26:07.730 --> 0:26:10.730 than last time, but whatever, they're going to fix the internet. Now, 0:26:11.410 --> 0:26:13.770 Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer, is going to release a very 0:26:13.810 --> 0:26:17.209 important document tomorrow. It is called the Intergenerational Report. Now, 0:26:17.230 --> 0:26:18.810 they have tried to leak this and tried to put 0:26:18.830 --> 0:26:20.930 out all the good news on the assumption that no-one's 0:26:20.950 --> 0:26:23.290 going to pay attention on the Monday to the bad news, 0:26:23.869 --> 0:26:27.100 including the absolute whopper that if you believe them, they're 0:26:27.140 --> 0:26:30.880 going to cut $ 500 billion of Australia's debt. They hope 0:26:30.900 --> 0:26:33.899 that most people don't pay attention... And hang on, we've 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:35.500 got a trillion. What, so they're going to halve it? 0:26:35.510 --> 0:26:37.909 That's great. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The 0:26:37.970 --> 0:26:41.250 plan is, best case scenario, if they can jiggle this 0:26:41.310 --> 0:26:43.190 and do that and lean this way and put an 0:26:43.270 --> 0:26:47.760 aerial towards the tower that transmits SBS, they'll slowly but 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:50.700 surely be able to stop the growth of the debt. 0:26:51.700 --> 0:26:55.640 So it's made up, right? Good on the Financial Review, though, 0:26:55.660 --> 0:26:58.760 for actually calling this out, that the spin that was around, 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:03.240 guess what? It is based off unrealistic forecasts. That, three 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:07.060 years ago, was the report that the Intergenerational Report showed us, 0:27:07.100 --> 0:27:10.899 which was the truth. Despite what the government tells you 0:27:10.980 --> 0:27:14.610 every May about whether we're in deficit or in surplus, 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.170 whether we're fixing the problem or it's getting worse, their 0:27:18.250 --> 0:27:21.310 prediction there... Now, part of the reason why they deliver 0:27:21.330 --> 0:27:24.550 these predictions is to deliver better results, but the prediction 0:27:24.590 --> 0:27:29.139 is a budget deficit every year for the next 40 years. 0:27:30.100 --> 0:27:35.600 That's called a structural deficit... Now, he's getting ready to 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.800 release this tomorrow. And, again, today there was a little 0:27:39.820 --> 0:27:41.979 bit of information which was, you know, hey, everyone's going 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.890 to live longer, everyone's going to be able to, by 2066, 0:27:45.890 --> 0:27:50.140 the average woman will be, life expectancy will now be 90. 0:27:50.140 --> 0:27:53.800 Which is great, isn't it? Because the retirement is at 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.419 67 and your super's going to probably only pay for 0:27:56.460 --> 0:27:59.020 about five, maybe seven years of your life. So what 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:00.770 the hell do you do till 90? Shh, don't talk 0:28:00.790 --> 0:28:03.609 about it. Shh, you're going to sell your house. Okay, well, 0:28:03.630 --> 0:28:05.770 that's cool because I bought the house for 100 grand 0:28:06.010 --> 0:28:08.550 and then it ended up being worth a million. But 0:28:08.590 --> 0:28:10.149 we're going to do something to make sure that, you know, 0:28:10.210 --> 0:28:15.120 property's not an investment anymore. It's just a place to sleep. So, okay, cool. 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.199 So the place I bought for a million, is that 0:28:17.220 --> 0:28:21.330 going to be worth three million? Oh, no. It might 0:28:21.369 --> 0:28:24.120 end up being two million. Okay, cool. So aged care 0:28:24.380 --> 0:28:27.000 is also going to not grow in how expensive it 0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:28.280 is over the next 30 years, right? 0:28:29.780 --> 0:28:29.940 Yeah. 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:34.860 That's the point. It's all about the dependence, the triangle 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:40.229 of dependence, that you should work for the government, that 0:28:40.290 --> 0:28:45.170 you should have the biggest client of your business be 0:28:45.190 --> 0:28:50.120 the government, or when you're a kid, There's a payment 0:28:50.500 --> 0:28:54.140 that helps you, so therefore you're loyal to the government. 0:28:54.500 --> 0:28:56.200 And then, of course, university where you're loyal to the 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.280 government and then work when you're loyal to the government 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.290 and then the age pension where you're loyal to the government. 0:29:00.370 --> 0:29:03.930 Anyone who challenges any of this, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts. 0:29:05.890 --> 0:29:08.190 There are two types of people in Australia and it's 0:29:08.210 --> 0:29:10.050 not left and right. Do you pay attention or do 0:29:10.070 --> 0:29:13.810 you not? You and I pay attention. I appreciate how 0:29:13.950 --> 0:29:17.050 much attention you pay and it can get really frustrating 0:29:17.790 --> 0:29:19.890 because there are so many people who don't But we're 0:29:19.910 --> 0:29:22.150 the ones who have to be across the detail. And 0:29:22.170 --> 0:29:25.200 tomorrow night we'll be across the detail. So you are 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.840 armed the next time you have an argument with somebody 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.980 that the reality is that the government of their own 0:29:32.340 --> 0:29:35.600 guesswork says we're in deficit for the next 40 years. 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.260 Meaning the $ 1 trillion deficit will slowly but surely keep 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:43.550 going up. until eventually it's 1.5, eventually it's 2. But 0:29:43.570 --> 0:29:47.520 who cares, right? Because the Prime Minister got to play 0:29:47.950 --> 0:29:52.520 with an iPhone today. Quick break. Back with more here 0:29:52.700 --> 0:29:55.790 on Paul Murray Live. Lots to talk about, lots to debate, 0:29:55.830 --> 0:29:58.730 lots to get into, including the education policy that has 0:29:58.750 --> 0:30:00.970 just been dropped by the Libs. Is it worth it? 0:30:01.090 --> 0:30:01.590 Is it good? 0:30:03.010 --> 0:30:04.590 Is it a gimmick? We'll discuss that and a whole 0:30:04.610 --> 0:30:06.730 lot more, as well as bold predictions for the week ahead. 0:30:06.790 --> 0:30:09.590 Just getting started. Thank you for being here. You pay attention, 0:30:09.750 --> 0:30:15.550 and I love it. We've got some breaking news for you, 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:18.240 which is a news poll has just dropped via our 0:30:18.300 --> 0:30:20.820 colleagues at the Australian newspaper, and it shows One Nation 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.740 top of the tree again. This has been matching what 0:30:23.790 --> 0:30:27.190 the News 24 Pulse has been doing about two weeks ago. 0:30:27.210 --> 0:30:30.930 We'll do it again on Tuesday night here. Now, the 0:30:30.970 --> 0:30:33.750 Labor Party number, by the way, that primary vote, I 0:30:33.810 --> 0:30:37.430 had it at 27, but OK, I'll double-check that number. But, yeah, it's... 0:30:38.490 --> 0:30:41.620 As best as I know, it's 27 for Labor. It 0:30:41.700 --> 0:30:46.980 is 30 for One Nation. It is 19 for the Coalition. 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:51.030 It is 13 for the Greens. It is 11 for others. Now, 0:30:51.150 --> 0:30:54.190 the analysis that comes with the opinion poll says that 0:30:54.210 --> 0:30:58.770 the Labor Party's primary vote... Back in September of last year, 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.890 it was 37%. So they are having a mega fall. Now, 0:31:03.410 --> 0:31:06.930 the original talking point has always been all of the 0:31:07.150 --> 0:31:10.420 One Nation revolution is just about Liberal National Party people 0:31:10.460 --> 0:31:12.560 moving to a new team. OK, there's a big chunk 0:31:12.580 --> 0:31:15.040 of that. In fact, that is the majority. But... The 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.120 crossover is now starting to happen where Labor voters have 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.280 decided to move. Now, some people will say, well, that's 0:31:20.300 --> 0:31:22.880 just the assert class. Yeah, that's the people who sweated 0:31:22.900 --> 0:31:25.900 their backside off, bought a house and expected their kids 0:31:25.940 --> 0:31:27.460 to be able to do the same when it came 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:31.830 to investment property. Shock, horror, they're not impressed by this mob, 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.810 by a Prime Minister who followed the same trajectory to 0:31:34.830 --> 0:31:37.650 go from the Housing Commission all the way through to 0:31:37.930 --> 0:31:42.570 the million-dollar joint over Copacabana. The expectation is that every 0:31:42.630 --> 0:31:45.550 kid would be able to have the option that he did. Well, surprise, surprise, 0:31:45.590 --> 0:31:49.350 they changed it. Jamie Johnson joins us now as part 0:31:49.370 --> 0:31:50.890 of our No Sooks, No Lefties on a Sunday night 0:31:50.910 --> 0:31:53.410 policy as she's, of course, with the Just Jamie podcast. 0:31:55.180 --> 0:31:56.750 Every now and then, lovely to see you, my friend. 0:31:56.790 --> 0:31:59.130 It's been a big week. Hasn't it just? Christy Abram 0:31:59.150 --> 0:32:01.110 joins us as well. She's the independent for Frankston in 0:32:01.150 --> 0:32:03.810 the upcoming Victorian election. She's in Melbourne. Lovely to see 0:32:03.870 --> 0:32:07.010 you both. So I know we're all reacting in real time. Jamie, 0:32:07.070 --> 0:32:11.340 that opinion poll, again, it shows... I thought One Nation 0:32:11.380 --> 0:32:13.380 had peaked. I thought One Nation had broken. I thought 0:32:13.420 --> 0:32:15.140 last week was the single worst week in the history 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.720 of Pauline Hanson. Guess what? It wasn't. No. No. And 0:32:18.740 --> 0:32:20.540 there's more to come. Yeah. You know, I. 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.520 I just love that each and every week there are 0:32:23.580 --> 0:32:27.240 more news headlines, more media scrutiny, another political hiccup. 0:32:27.310 --> 0:32:28.650 And you know what? There will be more. 0:32:29.030 --> 0:32:32.250 There will be another candidate story and another hiccup where 0:32:32.290 --> 0:32:34.410 someone says the wrong thing or someone goes back to 0:32:34.450 --> 0:32:36.110 a podcast that was more than a year ago and 0:32:36.150 --> 0:32:38.070 finds something that might have been a little bit inappropriate. 0:32:38.630 --> 0:32:40.930 And you know what? It's not going to affect the polls. 0:32:41.070 --> 0:32:43.410 I really don't think it will. One thing that... Look, 0:32:43.510 --> 0:32:45.150 we know that when it came to One Nation, the 0:32:45.170 --> 0:32:48.640 thing that created the first of the significant wobbles post 0:32:48.660 --> 0:32:54.340 the giant run-up... was the problems after the press club speech, right, 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.700 the monoculture stuff. You notice they don't talk about that 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.370 a lot at the moment. And, of course, it was 0:32:58.390 --> 0:33:01.090 the unions pushing in hard on what they perceived to 0:33:01.130 --> 0:33:06.060 be the anti-worker position, i.e. the not-lefty position, when it 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.240 comes to the voting record in the Senate, right? You 0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.340 notice they haven't gone anywhere near that recently? That's been 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.380 really the only stuff that's actually worked on One Nation 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.660 when it comes to polls. But, Kristen, again, your thoughts here? 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.140 You're dealing with it in real time? One Nation, most 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.370 popular party in the country, after a week where supposedly 0:33:21.610 --> 0:33:23.030 it was all falling down. 0:33:24.570 --> 0:33:28.410 People aren't buying the spin anymore, Paul. I also think 0:33:28.470 --> 0:33:32.150 that the excise is a massive issue here. 0:33:32.810 --> 0:33:32.990 Yes. 0:33:33.630 --> 0:33:35.280 They knew it was going to go up. Cost of 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.780 living is insane. They say that they're there for the 0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:41.540 Aussie battlers and they're not. And it's also no wonder 0:33:41.580 --> 0:33:43.959 when they're talking about the digital duty of care that 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:45.820 they're trying to bring in when people want them to 0:33:45.860 --> 0:33:47.320 be talking about fuel excise. 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:48.020 Yeah. 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.160 So I think it's more to do with Labor doing 0:33:50.180 --> 0:33:53.960 a bad job for this poll particularly, than One Nation 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:55.160 doing anything differently? 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.000 Well, and I always have to say this about politics 0:33:57.060 --> 0:34:00.460 because it is true when we're hoping the government does 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.400 better and when we are knowing the government's doing worse, right, 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.860 which is governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them. There 0:34:07.900 --> 0:34:10.239 is a certain point in time where people have a 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.520 look and then You pass the threshold of the reasonable 0:34:13.660 --> 0:34:16.610 doubt test. That's not happening right now. But, again, the government, 0:34:16.950 --> 0:34:19.410 how many own goals around the place, but they keep saying, oh, no, no, 0:34:19.430 --> 0:34:22.549 giving Annika Wells a giant big red button so Jamie 0:34:22.570 --> 0:34:25.410 just disappears from the internet. Somehow that's going to be 0:34:25.450 --> 0:34:28.549 really popular with everyone. No, not quite. So the Libs 0:34:28.590 --> 0:34:31.110 put their plan for education on the table. Hopefully I'll 0:34:31.130 --> 0:34:32.700 have a chance to talk to Julie and Lisa in 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.140 the next couple of days. as the shadow education minister. Kristen, 0:34:36.180 --> 0:34:38.339 what did you think here? Because again, it's all the usual, right? 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:40.480 You know, greater focus on Australian history. We know how 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.450 that'll be interpreted by the teachers union. Yes, more pride 0:34:43.469 --> 0:34:45.489 when it comes to the nation, the flag, all that fine, 0:34:45.530 --> 0:34:47.489 fair enough. But what did you think about what you've 0:34:47.530 --> 0:34:50.390 read thus far before we get any sort of detailed 0:34:50.450 --> 0:34:51.359 policy document? 0:34:52.940 --> 0:34:55.989 I think it's an amazing policy. Trying to get veterans 0:34:56.130 --> 0:35:00.610 into teaching is something different. We had a veteran teacher 0:35:00.630 --> 0:35:02.210 when I was in high school and he made a 0:35:02.270 --> 0:35:05.390 lasting impact on whether that was the rowdy kids or 0:35:05.410 --> 0:35:07.310 whether it was the quiet kids or the depressed kids. 0:35:07.750 --> 0:35:08.710 It was changing. 0:35:09.030 --> 0:35:09.730 It was great. 0:35:09.790 --> 0:35:12.890 It was life changing. And who better to teach Australian 0:35:12.950 --> 0:35:15.830 pride and love of country than getting veterans into school? 0:35:16.290 --> 0:35:19.469 I'm not above saying that policies are good from either 0:35:19.489 --> 0:35:21.549 major party. And this one is a good one. 0:35:21.570 --> 0:35:22.190 Yeah. 0:35:22.210 --> 0:35:22.880 What do you think? 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.219 I totally agree. It's interesting because obviously this week there's 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.880 been so much in the media about what Pauline Hanson 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.399 said about Indigenous culture on my podcast a year ago. 0:35:31.860 --> 0:35:34.819 But we were talking about this very thing more than 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.360 a year ago. For six or seven minutes, we're talking 0:35:37.420 --> 0:35:41.359 about the fact that the education system is so confused. 0:35:41.700 --> 0:35:44.669 Because there's all these parallel programs where we've got to put, 0:35:44.950 --> 0:35:48.070 you know, whether it be woke or gender ideology, climate 0:35:48.170 --> 0:35:51.010 anxiety that these kids now have, and then obviously the 0:35:51.270 --> 0:35:56.040 vast push for Indigenous culture across every single part. So, look, 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.759 I'm all for a complete overhaul of the system. I 0:35:58.780 --> 0:36:01.080 would like to see how it's implemented, though, because he 0:36:01.140 --> 0:36:04.020 makes a lot of sweeping statements about the federal government 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:08.000 controlling this, but the states, the states have the control 0:36:08.380 --> 0:36:11.100 over the syllabus and how they teach these things in 0:36:11.140 --> 0:36:13.920 their states. And, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:14.719 that folds out. 0:36:14.900 --> 0:36:16.759 So, do you love that the Prime Minister was at 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.600 Apple today, Jamie, that now finally he understands everything about 0:36:19.620 --> 0:36:22.140 the internet because he's held one of the new iPhones? 0:36:22.300 --> 0:36:24.930 It's amazing. I can't wait to hold one myself and 0:36:25.170 --> 0:36:27.089 all of the information will just flood to me. 0:36:27.110 --> 0:36:29.930 I'll be honest. I'm a little 50-50 about the foldy one, right? 0:36:30.140 --> 0:36:32.589 Like the nerd in me loves it. I desperately want one, 0:36:32.630 --> 0:36:33.719 all the rest of it, right? But I don't know 0:36:33.739 --> 0:36:35.319 if it's going to be a symbol of douchery where 0:36:35.340 --> 0:36:37.419 the people are just going to go, it's super, because 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.400 everyone knows how expensive it is. But, again, it all 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:44.480 brings us back into the AI conversation, right? Because, again, 0:36:45.260 --> 0:36:48.219 all of us, and I talk about this probably too much, 0:36:48.260 --> 0:36:50.200 but I'm going to keep talking about it, right, which 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.500 is all of us read something that pulls us in 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:54.819 that direction of the end of the world or that 0:36:54.860 --> 0:36:57.960 direction of settle down, right? And, yes, it feeds into... 0:36:58.230 --> 0:37:01.290 the world of data centres. But I've got to say, 0:37:01.310 --> 0:37:02.870 when I heard the Prime Minister today, and I'm trying 0:37:02.890 --> 0:37:04.630 to spend as much time listening to it as possible, 0:37:04.670 --> 0:37:06.570 trying to hear the code words, trying to sort of 0:37:06.610 --> 0:37:10.710 read between the lines, I just hear... noise right oh 0:37:10.730 --> 0:37:12.770 of course there should be more regulation what does that 0:37:12.830 --> 0:37:15.110 mean yeah what does it mean that means you can 0:37:15.150 --> 0:37:17.410 only put x amount of prompts in it means the 0:37:17.430 --> 0:37:19.870 federal government you know the world should agree on a 0:37:19.910 --> 0:37:23.960 kill switch like what is regulation in in a meaningful 0:37:24.020 --> 0:37:27.140 sense and and if there is an expert that the 0:37:27.180 --> 0:37:29.739 government is learning from can we start to talk to 0:37:29.780 --> 0:37:32.739 the expert to educate us because obviously i don't want 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:34.219 to be sitting here with a tape that turns up 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.810 in 10 years going Oh, look at those people arguing 0:37:36.910 --> 0:37:38.750 the exact opposite of common sense. 0:37:38.810 --> 0:37:40.210 Yeah, it needs to be taken out of the hands 0:37:40.250 --> 0:37:43.450 of politicians for sure. We need all the best brains 0:37:43.530 --> 0:37:46.310 and IT experts and people in a room with no 0:37:46.390 --> 0:37:50.430 political agenda to actually discuss, you know, because I want 0:37:50.450 --> 0:37:51.930 to speak to it and I have no idea what 0:37:52.090 --> 0:37:54.890 we're talking about. I recently just watched all of the 0:37:54.950 --> 0:37:57.980 Star Wars series again and I think Attack of the 0:37:58.020 --> 0:38:00.359 Clones and I just imagine all these robots and I'm like, 0:38:00.460 --> 0:38:01.300 it's frightening. 0:38:01.500 --> 0:38:04.620 Have you seen Terminator 2 recently? Because of your cybernet, 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:08.819 it all gets pretty scary. Yeah, yeah. It gets pretty scary. Kristen, again, right, now, yes, 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:12.370 I know, there's an expert from this university. There's an 0:38:12.430 --> 0:38:15.870 expert from that university, right? But, again, at a time when, 0:38:16.270 --> 0:38:20.390 because of form, when there is consensus, it starts to 0:38:20.430 --> 0:38:23.700 become complicated. When it becomes enforced consensus, you get things 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.489 like COVID. So... I mean, it's all well and good 0:38:26.510 --> 0:38:28.270 for the Prime Minister to say he's heading in a 0:38:28.310 --> 0:38:31.650 direction that's sort of on motherhood who would disagree, but 0:38:31.670 --> 0:38:32.930 I want to know what the hell that is. What 0:38:32.989 --> 0:38:36.430 can a government do versus, guess what, pal, we live 0:38:36.450 --> 0:38:38.630 in a world where you can make a video phone 0:38:38.670 --> 0:38:42.510 call to somebody in London or Nairobi and borders don't 0:38:42.610 --> 0:38:44.190 matter when it comes to technology? 0:38:46.270 --> 0:38:48.930 I don't think we truly understand the depths of AI. 0:38:49.010 --> 0:38:53.770 These three major players had testing sandpads for their AI 0:38:53.930 --> 0:38:56.750 agents and they escaped into the internet and that's why 0:38:56.790 --> 0:39:03.239 the major players called for regulation. That is wild, Paul. Yeah, 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.899 I don't pretend to understand it completely because I'm sure 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:07.719 that there are so many people out there that go, 0:39:08.020 --> 0:39:10.480 we're worried about it but we don't know how to 0:39:10.530 --> 0:39:13.469 fix it. And I agree with Jamie that you need everyone, 0:39:13.489 --> 0:39:16.529 the greatest minds around to be able to go, hey, 0:39:16.570 --> 0:39:18.730 these are the barriers that should be on it. I 0:39:18.770 --> 0:39:21.490 must say I will be very excited for when they 0:39:21.530 --> 0:39:25.010 can cook and clean like robots can cook and clean because, yeah, 0:39:25.630 --> 0:39:26.489 going to be game-changing. 0:39:26.710 --> 0:39:29.570 Well said. Well, remember, I talked about before that there's 0:39:29.590 --> 0:39:31.879 an amazing doco. It's on Netflix. How many times have 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:33.040 we all heard that at a pub? Oh, no, you've 0:39:33.060 --> 0:39:34.600 got to check out this thing. And nobody ever does. 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.100 But please. There's a thing called the anti-social network or 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.259 the un-social network, whatever it is, where it's got a 0:39:39.260 --> 0:39:41.440 whole bunch of people who were the whistleblowers of the time, 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:45.299 of the Facebooks, of the Twitter, all of that stuff, right? 0:39:45.940 --> 0:39:48.190 And we kind of ignored them, right? well, is that 0:39:48.230 --> 0:39:50.600 going to happen when it comes to AI or are 0:39:50.620 --> 0:39:52.779 these really the canaries in the coal mine? All right. 0:39:53.140 --> 0:39:55.700 I want to talk about Ed Sheeran. So, poor little 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.090 Ed Sheeran. My daughter's first concert was Ed Sheeran, so 0:39:59.510 --> 0:40:01.469 I'm always going to give him the pass, right? Now, 0:40:01.510 --> 0:40:05.210 he is an old-school performer, which is... I'm going to 0:40:05.230 --> 0:40:07.310 be something else. I'm going to be an escape from 0:40:07.350 --> 0:40:09.489 the world. So I don't have a view on good guy, 0:40:09.530 --> 0:40:13.090 bad guy, good story, bad story. I don't care if 0:40:13.130 --> 0:40:15.410 you're left wing or right wing, buy the damn ticket, right? 0:40:15.530 --> 0:40:18.459 Like as Michael Jordan used to say, Republicans buy sneakers too. 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.540 But Macklemore, hardcore, that's fine. He's allowed to be. Welcome 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.419 to free speech. And of course, his position pro-Palestine, right? 0:40:25.980 --> 0:40:27.540 That pissed off some of the people who own the 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.759 stadiums in the United States. So unsurprisingly, he disappears from 0:40:30.780 --> 0:40:33.390 the lineup. And then Anyone who was on the support 0:40:33.410 --> 0:40:36.290 disappears and the band disappears from Ed Sheeran and Ed 0:40:36.310 --> 0:40:38.820 Sheeran has to turn up and give a big sorry 0:40:38.860 --> 0:40:40.759 at his concert. Hopefully we can play that for you 0:40:40.780 --> 0:40:44.160 in a moment here, which, yeah, well, was him essentially 0:40:44.260 --> 0:40:48.120 reading from a teleprompter about what he truly thinks. I mean, Jamie, 0:40:48.900 --> 0:40:51.299 I felt for him because he's not going to be 0:40:51.340 --> 0:40:54.049 enough of an activist to satisfy anyone in this, which 0:40:54.090 --> 0:40:56.230 means you satisfy no-one, which means you end up in 0:40:56.250 --> 0:40:57.850 the hole. Do you know my issue with this? 0:40:58.330 --> 0:41:01.690 I'm an absolute advocate for free speech... I'm an absolute 0:41:01.790 --> 0:41:04.029 advocate for people if they have fame and they have 0:41:04.070 --> 0:41:06.320 a platform and they want to share a political opinion, 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.799 especially on something that they're seeing this beyond left or right, 0:41:09.820 --> 0:41:11.300 but a humanitarian push. 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:13.739 I have no issue with them doing it. 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:18.569 But you do not do it with a captive audience 0:41:18.620 --> 0:41:20.890 that have paid to be there. At least if you're 0:41:20.910 --> 0:41:22.550 going to go and put it on your social media. 0:41:22.570 --> 0:41:24.029 So if someone doesn't want to hear it, they can 0:41:24.070 --> 0:41:27.150 just swipe or unfollow you. You cannot go to a 0:41:27.190 --> 0:41:30.350 concert where people are there paying money to escape. 0:41:30.830 --> 0:41:31.980 That's my issue with it. 0:41:32.410 --> 0:41:35.110 I really, you know, I say bring back Ricky Gervais 0:41:35.270 --> 0:41:37.170 in his 2020 speech with, you know, get. 0:41:37.130 --> 0:41:39.290 Up and thank your God and do your. 0:41:39.170 --> 0:41:41.549 Bit and get lost kind of thing. So I just 0:41:41.570 --> 0:41:42.489 think it was inappropriate. 0:41:42.650 --> 0:41:44.930 Ladies, thank you. We will talk again very, very soon, 0:41:45.010 --> 0:41:47.140 as soon as next Sunday. Make sure you're there. Well, 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.320 not next Sunday. We're in Bathurst, but a couple after that. Anyway, 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.219 we are joined by, in a moment, a perspective from 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.120 the United Kingdom. Our dear friend Mark Dolan joins us 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.500 to discuss everything, including potentially an early election and the 0:41:59.540 --> 0:42:02.620 opinion polls showing a pretty damn tonic between Labor and reform. 0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:04.500 More in a sec with Mark from the old dark. 0:42:08.140 --> 0:42:09.940 Mark Dolan's our mate in the UK. He joins us 0:42:09.980 --> 0:42:12.180 now from merry old England. What's the weather like there, mate? 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.810 It's been very warm here. You're obviously on your way 0:42:14.830 --> 0:42:16.450 towards winter. Is it cold enough yet? 0:42:17.739 --> 0:42:20.580 It's a little chilly, but the sun is out, and 0:42:20.739 --> 0:42:22.700 I've got to say it feels like the quiet before 0:42:22.739 --> 0:42:24.799 the storm. You know, the weather's all right, but the 0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:28.590 political mood, Paul, is darkening and darkening fast. 0:42:28.870 --> 0:42:31.790 Well done, sir. Wonderful gear change, great transition, so let's 0:42:31.830 --> 0:42:34.730 get straight on the track at Silverstone, OK? Which is 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.239 the potential of an early election. You have talked about 0:42:37.260 --> 0:42:39.400 this a little bit before, right? Now, obviously, one is 0:42:39.420 --> 0:42:41.799 not due for a couple of years. Government can call 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:43.400 it on early, but they're only going to call it 0:42:43.460 --> 0:42:46.440 on early when either everything's about to fall apart or 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.220 they think they are just in front of the people 0:42:49.450 --> 0:42:53.350 who are their main opponent in this being reformed. If 0:42:53.410 --> 0:42:56.350 it is an early election, is it because it's about 0:42:56.410 --> 0:43:00.150 to crumble? They've got big decisions. But why do you 0:43:00.190 --> 0:43:01.630 think there would be that trigger? 0:43:03.090 --> 0:43:06.509 Well, the mood music around the economy is very, very 0:43:06.550 --> 0:43:09.799 gloomy indeed. So if you look at the numbers, welfare 0:43:09.820 --> 0:43:14.080 spending in the UK is around two billion Australian dollars 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.600 every day. The cost of welfare in the UK is 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.560 now larger than the tax take of the entire country. 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.780 Debt interest, 200 billion dollars a year. National debt, five 0:43:23.950 --> 0:43:27.150 and a half trillion. So what could happen in the 0:43:27.190 --> 0:43:30.410 months ahead is a Greece moment in Britain. Of course, 0:43:30.430 --> 0:43:32.430 we saw what happened during the credit crunch, global crisis. 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.980 economic crash 2008-2009, but that was a relatively small economy. 0:43:37.540 --> 0:43:40.040 If this happens to the UK, it'll be Greece times 100. 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:44.340 And one man that's predicting this could happen is Nigel Farage. 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.660 And therefore, I'm hearing that he's preparing, he's on a 0:43:47.700 --> 0:43:50.189 war footing for an election, because he thinks the Prime 0:43:50.210 --> 0:43:52.549 Minister knows there's trouble ahead, and he can go to 0:43:52.570 --> 0:43:56.549 the country, get his five-year mandate now, before the you-know-what 0:43:56.710 --> 0:43:57.370 hits the fan. 0:43:57.840 --> 0:43:59.660 Yeah, see, I've been thinking about this a lot when 0:43:59.700 --> 0:44:02.799 it comes to the centre-left governments, right? Obviously, you've got 0:44:02.820 --> 0:44:06.040 one in the UK, Canada, Australia, right? And I'm trying 0:44:06.060 --> 0:44:09.359 to work out how these guys are triangulating with each other. 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.100 Mark Carney is the one who's got the most amount 0:44:12.140 --> 0:44:17.960 of time before another election in Canada. Albanese theoretically is 0:44:17.980 --> 0:44:21.319 closer to an election than Burnham is. And I think 0:44:21.340 --> 0:44:24.560 that the politics of raising income tax, even though it 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:28.310 is the single biggest source of revenue... their assumption is 0:44:28.330 --> 0:44:30.890 that that's not going to work. One of these three 0:44:31.130 --> 0:44:33.070 is going to, and this is just, you know, random 0:44:33.090 --> 0:44:35.350 speculation on a Sunday, right? So we get to sit 0:44:35.370 --> 0:44:37.750 around at a barbecue saying we was right and no 0:44:37.810 --> 0:44:40.250 one cares. I think one of these three is going 0:44:40.270 --> 0:44:43.790 to go mega on business tax, mega, right? On the 0:44:43.830 --> 0:44:48.310 assumption that either they'll never leave or they're so big 0:44:48.330 --> 0:44:51.050 that they can just increase the clip of the ticket 0:44:51.090 --> 0:44:54.400 on a bank. Clip the ticket on a fossil fuel company, 0:44:55.500 --> 0:44:58.790 something that sort of is too big to move because 0:44:58.810 --> 0:45:01.830 they've got to find tens of billions here and they 0:45:01.870 --> 0:45:06.440 can't do it across the mass population. What do you 0:45:06.460 --> 0:45:07.700 think is a maybe there? 0:45:08.510 --> 0:45:11.070 Well, I think that is absolutely spot on. And Andy Burnham, 0:45:11.130 --> 0:45:13.669 our new prime minister, he's a nice guy, OK? He's 0:45:13.770 --> 0:45:17.230 better at politics than Keir Starmer, and he speaks human. 0:45:17.630 --> 0:45:19.990 But that's about where it stops. All you've really got is, 0:45:20.570 --> 0:45:22.700 I've got to be honest, I'll be blunt, lipstick on 0:45:22.739 --> 0:45:25.820 a pig, because it is still the same leftist ideas. 0:45:25.900 --> 0:45:28.260 And it's still, as you've implied in your question, Paul, 0:45:28.700 --> 0:45:31.000 a war on business. And this doesn't end well, because 0:45:31.020 --> 0:45:32.500 what we've had in the last year is a raft 0:45:32.540 --> 0:45:34.799 of red tape. We've had a hike in the minimum wage. Now, 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.860 that sounds great, doesn't it? give young people a higher 0:45:37.890 --> 0:45:42.989 hourly wage. The consequence, layoffs and less recruitment. So, you know, 0:45:43.250 --> 0:45:47.520 the path to hell is paved with good intentions. And 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:50.660 what we're going to see is more of this leftist nonsense, 0:45:50.700 --> 0:45:53.489 these failed policies. The big worry we've got in the 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.009 UK is you've got a figure like Nigel Farage, whose 0:45:56.070 --> 0:45:59.410 party is ahead in the polls, but the right are divided. Now, 0:45:59.450 --> 0:46:02.390 when Margaret Thatcher saved Britain in 1979, she had no 0:46:02.469 --> 0:46:05.550 rivals and she got a decade in power. The challenge 0:46:05.770 --> 0:46:09.549 for reform and Nigel... is on his right flank. It's 0:46:09.590 --> 0:46:13.210 Kemi Badenock and the Conservatives and Rupert Lowe and Restore. 0:46:13.530 --> 0:46:16.120 So I predict a couple of things, a likely snap 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.100 election in the months ahead and a deal on the right. 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:22.440 Absolutely. Also pay attention, I left out of the picture, right, 0:46:22.860 --> 0:46:25.319 how the hard left does in the United States, right? 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.339 Whether some of that hard left, whether they can, whether 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:31.669 sort of the anti-Trump is enough to just sweep all in, right, 0:46:31.750 --> 0:46:34.170 or whether there's still an extreme there. And again, the 0:46:34.210 --> 0:46:36.930 thing that the centre-right should be concerned about the most, 0:46:36.969 --> 0:46:39.469 about like a mundani, is imagine if it works. Because 0:46:39.510 --> 0:46:41.610 if it works, the sign that goes to everyone else is, 0:46:41.850 --> 0:46:43.710 as hard as you want, pal, rip it as hard 0:46:43.750 --> 0:46:45.069 as you want. Now, of course, we know where all 0:46:45.110 --> 0:46:48.009 that ends, right? But we'll still be there to cover 0:46:48.070 --> 0:46:49.640 it on either side of it, right? We're not managing 0:46:49.660 --> 0:46:50.240 the decline. 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.400 Can I give you a bombshell line, Paul, which is 0:46:53.660 --> 0:46:55.520 I spent half a day with Nigel a couple of 0:46:55.540 --> 0:46:59.140 months ago, and he's very passionate about winning power. And 0:46:59.180 --> 0:47:01.219 I said, why? And he said, I'm not fussed about 0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.609 being prime minister. I've got to save the country. He 0:47:03.630 --> 0:47:06.170 said in 10 years' time, if things don't change, the 0:47:06.330 --> 0:47:08.740 UK will be a third world country. 0:47:09.100 --> 0:47:09.739 Well, this is it. 0:47:09.860 --> 0:47:10.239 This is it. 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.200 As well as you've got all of these institutions that 0:47:12.219 --> 0:47:14.259 want to turn around and say that any of the 0:47:14.380 --> 0:47:17.920 quote-unquote achievement, well, of course, all of that was at 0:47:17.940 --> 0:47:20.779 the peril of the third world. So, therefore, either a 0:47:20.930 --> 0:47:23.070 reimagining of the... I mean, this is not an accident. 0:47:23.489 --> 0:47:25.850 None of this is an accident, right? But if you're 0:47:25.870 --> 0:47:28.029 the one who, again, I think bugger left and right, 0:47:28.070 --> 0:47:30.089 you pay attention or you don't. I think the people 0:47:30.130 --> 0:47:33.669 paying attention are realising the stakes that are there right now. Alright, 0:47:33.690 --> 0:47:35.190 we could have had fun with Harry and Meghan, we 0:47:35.210 --> 0:47:37.870 could have talked about Trump, but instead I just was 0:47:37.989 --> 0:47:40.290 racking up the points for the just-in case and you're 0:47:40.310 --> 0:47:43.750 doing better transitions than me thousands of kilometres away. Thank you, Mark. 0:47:44.989 --> 0:47:46.690 Thank you, Paul. Mark Dolan, how good is he? You 0:47:46.710 --> 0:47:48.810 can see him on Talk TV in the United Kingdom 0:47:48.890 --> 0:47:53.509 or follow him on YouTube. Yeah, social media of politicians, 0:47:53.550 --> 0:47:55.360 you pay for it so we get to show it 0:47:55.450 --> 0:47:58.879 and don't they patronise us as we get ready for 0:47:58.940 --> 0:48:05.859 working this week. Now, we are all getting ready to 0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:07.860 work tomorrow. Of course, we put it in here on 0:48:07.890 --> 0:48:12.529 the Sunday night. But the politicians, well, of course, they're 0:48:12.550 --> 0:48:14.730 so amazing that they have people to help them make 0:48:14.750 --> 0:48:17.969 crap social media videos like this. Tony Sheldon's my mate, 0:48:18.010 --> 0:48:21.430 but still, here we go. Businesses also tell me you 0:48:21.489 --> 0:48:23.250 can't sack people these days. 0:48:23.750 --> 0:48:25.610 You can't sack people these days. 0:48:26.230 --> 0:48:28.690 You can't sack people these days. 0:48:29.530 --> 0:48:32.880 You can't sack people these days. Well, you can't? Oh, 0:48:33.100 --> 0:48:38.710 you can't suck people these days. Never thought I'd see 0:48:38.770 --> 0:48:40.469 flirty from Tony, but there we go. All right, we'll 0:48:40.489 --> 0:48:42.719 see you again tomorrow night. The latest news headlines now.