WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 22 October 0:00:02.470 --> 0:00:04.790 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:07.500 --> 0:00:10.460 G'day, mate. Welcome to the Man Cave. That was amazing 0:00:10.500 --> 0:00:14.400 to see Ben Robert Smith in his own words. There 0:00:14.460 --> 0:00:23.800 is more about that interview right now on our website, news24. com. au. 0:00:20.780 --> 0:00:22.579 Some key bits for me, and again, I think the 0:00:22.620 --> 0:00:27.040 whole thing is worth watching again. His reaction to this nonsense, 0:00:27.100 --> 0:00:30.820 the theatrics around his arrest at Sydney Airport, really stood 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:31.260 out for me. 0:00:32.630 --> 0:00:35.229 Aircraft door opened and as soon as I saw the 0:00:35.250 --> 0:00:38.050 first person walk on in a suit with his gun 0:00:38.090 --> 0:00:40.330 belt on and so forth, I thought, okay, it is me. 0:00:40.650 --> 0:00:42.589 The problem, of course, with that was it was such 0:00:42.670 --> 0:00:46.589 a deliberate attempt to sensationalise the arrest that it was 0:00:46.650 --> 0:00:48.340 hard for me to try and keep them calm because 0:00:48.350 --> 0:00:51.220 it was unfolding in front of 200 people on the plane. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.100 When I walked off the plane, Sarah followed behind me. 0:00:54.460 --> 0:00:56.140 The gentleman was talking to me and explaining to me 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.580 the situation, which I said, that's fine. And he said 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.230 to me, mate, it wasn't our call. you know, really 0:01:02.270 --> 0:01:03.870 sorry about this, we're going to make it as smooth 0:01:03.910 --> 0:01:04.410 as possible. 0:01:06.330 --> 0:01:08.670 And as he said in the interview, the picture of 0:01:08.730 --> 0:01:11.990 that with Spirit of Australia, of course, the corporate logo 0:01:12.010 --> 0:01:15.110 of the airline that he was flying, he's proud of 0:01:15.170 --> 0:01:18.229 that image because of what it says, a picture saying 0:01:18.270 --> 0:01:21.060 a thousand words. I was also taken by the impact 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.000 that all the allegations, the pressure, the time in and 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.179 out of court has had over the years, not just 0:01:26.380 --> 0:01:29.760 on himself, not just on his partner, but obviously his kids. 0:01:30.860 --> 0:01:32.319 So what keeps you awake at night? 0:01:34.300 --> 0:01:37.920 Not being there. Not being there for my kids. I 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.800 don't actually have a feeling towards what could happen to me. 0:01:41.980 --> 0:01:45.110 And I mean that sincerely because it's interesting. When I 0:01:45.150 --> 0:01:48.410 was in Silverwater, one morning a guard came to the cell. 0:01:48.430 --> 0:01:50.290 It was the first morning I'd been in a suicide cell. 0:01:50.530 --> 0:01:53.970 And he said to me, you must be at rock bottom, mate. 0:01:54.030 --> 0:01:54.730 Are you all right? 0:01:55.170 --> 0:01:57.090 Because they have to check on you. And I thought 0:01:57.110 --> 0:01:59.310 that was funny because I just looked at him and said, mate, 0:01:59.330 --> 0:02:01.290 this isn't rock bottom. I've been to rock bottom before 0:02:01.310 --> 0:02:02.930 and this is not it. And then he left and 0:02:03.290 --> 0:02:05.800 I did a workout, got ready for the day because 0:02:05.980 --> 0:02:08.940 in my mind, I had always thought this may be 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.000 an eventuality. You know, I certainly didn't want to be there. 0:02:13.660 --> 0:02:15.380 I knew I was under a lot of stress. All 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.220 those things are true. But I knew the way to 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.500 deal with that was to maintain a routine, was to 0:02:19.580 --> 0:02:22.220 focus on getting through the bail hearing and being back 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.880 with my kids. So that's what I did. 0:02:26.350 --> 0:02:29.459 I found it outrageous how long that bail hearing took, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.100 but obviously that meant that he spent multiple nights in 0:02:32.139 --> 0:02:35.640 jail after being arrested, and we learnt tonight what was 0:02:35.700 --> 0:02:38.860 that experience like for him to go from being a 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.560 VC recipient, something that he still wears on his chest 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.820 as a recognition of his military service, while being behind 0:02:47.930 --> 0:02:53.130 bars awaiting serious charges connected back to that same service. 0:02:54.340 --> 0:02:55.880 You know, I've never been in trouble with the law. 0:02:56.100 --> 0:02:59.980 I had no thoughts of prison, what it might be like. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.220 Unlike everybody else, you know, you watch a few movies 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.220 and you think you've got an understanding of it. So 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.060 by the time I was in that position, I thought 0:03:07.180 --> 0:03:09.520 there might be people inside that want to have a 0:03:09.540 --> 0:03:12.169 go at me just to prove something or maybe disagree 0:03:12.230 --> 0:03:12.850 or have an opinion. 0:03:13.730 --> 0:03:15.109 The guards were. 0:03:15.010 --> 0:03:19.010 Instantly respectful, but they had a job to do. And 0:03:19.030 --> 0:03:21.250 they did it very professionally. And I accepted that because 0:03:21.270 --> 0:03:22.290 I knew it was going to be like that. But 0:03:22.310 --> 0:03:24.610 because of the level of professionalism, at the end of 0:03:24.630 --> 0:03:27.070 the day, they were kind. They didn't do anything that 0:03:27.270 --> 0:03:30.010 wasn't necessary. And they also, I think, they were just 0:03:30.050 --> 0:03:32.910 grateful that I was being respectful back. So, you know, 0:03:32.970 --> 0:03:35.010 they treated me with respect. I was treating them with respect. 0:03:36.750 --> 0:03:38.410 And, of course, to the heart of the matter, his 0:03:38.500 --> 0:03:43.340 strong denials against all claims, all charges, all allegations. 0:03:44.510 --> 0:03:46.110 People say, oh, mate, how do you deal with it all? 0:03:46.150 --> 0:03:47.290 How do you keep going? Well, because I know the 0:03:47.330 --> 0:03:51.070 truth and I will keep fighting every one of these allegations, 0:03:51.180 --> 0:03:51.940 every one of these charges. 0:03:53.900 --> 0:03:57.260 Thanks to our mates at news.com.au. They, of course, did 0:03:57.420 --> 0:03:59.400 the interview. And as I said, there's a lot more 0:03:59.420 --> 0:04:05.300 coverage and reaction on our website at news24. com. au. All right, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.940 there's lots to get to tonight here on Paul Murray Live, including, yeah, 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.860 the Prime Minister yet again... unable to just tell the truth. 0:04:14.420 --> 0:04:15.980 This is all about the dirt sheet and Helen Haynes. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:17.480 I know you've heard a lot tonight, but I have 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.900 to line up and do it again because this one 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.020 is outrageous, even by his standards. A former Prime Minister, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:24.860 Tony Abbott, says there has to be an inquiry into 0:04:24.900 --> 0:04:28.000 the Bureau of Meteorology. Why? Because they've been shaving some numbers. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.860 A little here, a little there. Is it being done 0:04:30.900 --> 0:04:32.690 because that's where the science is taking us or that's 0:04:32.700 --> 0:04:36.700 where the ideology is around climate change? is taking us. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.369 And I'm going to show you the very reason why 0:04:39.390 --> 0:04:42.390 this government has no idea about how to run a business, 0:04:42.470 --> 0:04:47.789 particularly no clue about small business. A reminder that Jess Wilson, 0:04:47.830 --> 0:04:49.210 the leader of the opposition, is going to be our 0:04:49.300 --> 0:04:51.640 special guest in a couple of weeks' time for the 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.320 next pub test. This is the opportunity where the people 0:04:54.339 --> 0:04:56.640 who want to run our states, run our country, have 0:04:56.660 --> 0:04:59.920 the opportunity to talk to you. You get the opportunity 0:04:59.980 --> 0:05:02.539 to talk to them. If you'd like to join us, please, 0:05:02.580 --> 0:05:06.590 pubtest at news24. com. au. Monday the 9th of November, it'll be 0:05:06.630 --> 0:05:09.890 in suburban Melbourne. Please tell us what's your question, what's 0:05:09.910 --> 0:05:12.550 your name, how can we get in contact with you? Obviously, 0:05:12.630 --> 0:05:15.450 we'd love everyone to be in the room for it. So, 0:05:15.710 --> 0:05:18.370 as many people as possible, Suburban Melbourne, Monday the 9th 0:05:18.410 --> 0:05:25.240 of November, pubtest at news24. com. au. Now, this week, we have, 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.180 of course, all been focused on the issues in and 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:32.140 around the what, when and why of what happened to 0:05:32.420 --> 0:05:36.270 Helen Haynes. We've sadly learnt throughout the week that, of course, 0:05:36.290 --> 0:05:40.420 she lost both of her legs. And the country... has 0:05:40.460 --> 0:05:44.900 been particularly shocked because she is not a controversial political figure. Yes, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.770 she is a political figure in a contested election, meaning 0:05:47.810 --> 0:05:51.270 not 100% of the vote. She gets, because nobody does, 0:05:51.370 --> 0:05:53.210 but she is a person who carries herself with a 0:05:53.230 --> 0:05:56.930 certain dignity that has been recognised by a whole bunch 0:05:56.990 --> 0:06:00.650 of people all week. And, of course, the Prime Minister, who, 0:06:00.710 --> 0:06:03.600 as we spoke about last night, did multiple television interviews, 0:06:03.980 --> 0:06:07.539 multiple briefings, wanted to be seen to be at the 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.820 very heart of this situation. was amongst those who was 0:06:10.980 --> 0:06:13.310 saying nice things this week. 0:06:14.510 --> 0:06:19.290 Helen Haynes is someone who is widely respected because she 0:06:19.370 --> 0:06:24.130 is so respectful. She's very well regarded across the board. 0:06:24.570 --> 0:06:27.779 She treats people with respect. She's well regarded in the parliament. 0:06:28.060 --> 0:06:31.900 She's someone who is deeply embedded in her community there 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.300 in the northern part of Victoria. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.520 Thank you very much. 0:06:37.580 --> 0:06:38.470 Very compassionate. 0:06:39.570 --> 0:06:43.080 Be the sort of person who she is. 0:06:44.940 --> 0:06:46.900 But her standing in the community and the way that 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.520 she practices politics is why she has been such a 0:06:49.620 --> 0:06:53.560 thorn in the side of the Prime Minister in recent, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:58.060 not years, not months, but weeks. Helen Haynes, of course, 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:03.750 was the chief figure talking about the absolutely disgraceful rorts 0:07:04.370 --> 0:07:07.190 that this government is accused of when it comes to 0:07:07.250 --> 0:07:11.540 the more than half a billion billion that they decided 0:07:11.660 --> 0:07:14.200 where it went as opposed to you apply for it 0:07:14.300 --> 0:07:17.980 and the best person wins. We showed you the reporting 0:07:18.140 --> 0:07:21.480 of Peter Van Onselen. When the truth of how Anthony 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:26.290 Albanese's office felt about Helen Haynes became clear, that despite 0:07:26.330 --> 0:07:28.370 the nice words of this week, they were trying to 0:07:28.530 --> 0:07:35.910 muddy the waters around her criticism of those rorts. Example one. 0:07:35.910 --> 0:07:40.480 $ 8, 000 to the Benalla Art Gallery. This was typed up 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.040 by somebody apparently in the Prime Minister's office, handed around 0:07:43.060 --> 0:07:46.020 the press gallery to try to muddy the waters. Given 0:07:46.060 --> 0:07:48.560 she pushed for such for the funding of this project, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.260 has the member for Indi ever visited or been a 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.200 member of or donated to or have any personal or 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.060 professional connection with the employees of the board of the 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.630 Benalla Art Gallery? Why are you asking that question other 0:08:00.650 --> 0:08:04.650 than to suggest that there's some sort of backdoor benefit? 0:08:05.900 --> 0:08:09.970 Example two, $ 28. 5 million to the Mount Bullis Ski Resort. Apparently, 0:08:10.010 --> 0:08:12.990 the smoking gun, they even put it on the Word 0:08:13.050 --> 0:08:16.770 document for all the reporters to see, was that she 0:08:16.810 --> 0:08:21.740 had received, in July of 2022, a couple of lift 0:08:21.780 --> 0:08:23.980 passes for her and her husband. Of course, the bloke 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.420 that we've all seen yesterday speaking from the hospital about 0:08:27.460 --> 0:08:32.790 her horrific injuries. What has been declared... In the July 2022, 0:08:32.790 --> 0:08:35.130 the member for Indi was gifted lift passes at Mount 0:08:35.150 --> 0:08:38.390 Bullis Ski Resort for her and her spouse. In 2025, 0:08:38.390 --> 0:08:40.530 the member for Indi has asked the Treasurer to spend 0:08:40.590 --> 0:08:45.750 a combined $ 28. 5 million on two projects to meet the 0:08:46.210 --> 0:08:49.670 needs of the growing visitor market in Victoria's busiest alpine resort. 0:08:49.730 --> 0:08:52.429 Why were they shopping this around? They were shopping it 0:08:52.450 --> 0:08:55.860 around to muddy the waters. So the person who had 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.760 the clarity of sight that when a golf club that 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.700 needed much more funding in her electorate than the one 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.300 in the Prime Minister's electorate, which got the money, got 0:09:04.340 --> 0:09:07.490 denied the funds, well, quick, quick, quick, let's pretend there's 0:09:07.500 --> 0:09:10.990 something dodgy here. There's something weird. There's questions to answer. 0:09:11.290 --> 0:09:16.270 Questions to answer. Most outrageous is the third example on 0:09:16.309 --> 0:09:19.110 that dirt sheet. Far from the Prime Minister's kind words 0:09:19.170 --> 0:09:24.240 about the greatest non-Labour MP in the Parliament. What about A? 0:09:24.950 --> 0:09:29.959 A significant request for the Benalla Indoor Recreation Centre. Given 0:09:29.980 --> 0:09:33.559 that she has pushed, not requested, not asked, not made 0:09:33.580 --> 0:09:36.340 the case for, but pushed for funding for this project, 0:09:36.580 --> 0:09:38.860 has the member for Indi ever visited, been a member of, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:43.860 played with, trained with, watched games, watched games? Donated to, 0:09:43.940 --> 0:09:48.010 been beneficiaries of any club jerseys or other equipment? Oh, 0:09:48.050 --> 0:09:52.690 so because she might have seen the Bushrangers Cricket Club 0:09:52.750 --> 0:09:58.330 play once... Somehow she's a beneficiary of the potential rewarding 0:09:58.350 --> 0:10:02.740 of federal government... money to improve the public facility, please. 0:10:03.380 --> 0:10:06.060 We showed you last night when he was asked about 0:10:06.100 --> 0:10:10.230 it by Kieran Gilbert, he had no answer because he 0:10:10.270 --> 0:10:15.150 didn't want to answer the question. On the tone of debate. 0:10:15.570 --> 0:10:18.030 Were you aware or give approval to your office to 0:10:18.070 --> 0:10:23.820 distribute to the press gallery information about Helen Haynes, about 0:10:23.860 --> 0:10:26.939 grants that she'd sought after she criticised you over the 0:10:26.940 --> 0:10:29.480 $ 6 million Marrickville grant? 0:10:30.580 --> 0:10:34.300 Helen Haynes is a good local member. She puts forward 0:10:34.610 --> 0:10:40.110 applications like other members do for grants and that's what 0:10:40.150 --> 0:10:43.030 good local members do and Helen Haynes is a very 0:10:43.090 --> 0:10:44.929 strong advocate for her community. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:48.660 Now, let me be very clear about how the Prime 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.780 Minister and the people around him have played this story. Oh, 0:10:51.850 --> 0:10:54.450 it's only a story being reported by Peter van Onselen 0:10:54.570 --> 0:10:56.570 in the Daily Mail. We don't have to worry about that. 0:10:56.670 --> 0:10:58.190 Don't have to worry about that. They're only talking about 0:10:58.210 --> 0:11:01.150 it in News 24 primetime. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Well, 0:11:01.170 --> 0:11:04.570 as you saw yesterday when he was being asked by 0:11:04.670 --> 0:11:08.689 Kieran Gilbert, that went around the entire media world because 0:11:09.370 --> 0:11:12.840 they know the Prime Minister's office was running around and 0:11:12.910 --> 0:11:15.840 trying to muddy the waters on a person who was 0:11:17.010 --> 0:11:24.580 absolutely correct in calling out the grey corruption of the government. Because, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.200 of course, this wasn't, again, a pile of money that 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.760 anyone could apply to and the best person won. The 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.770 Labor Party, the government, were the ones who made it 0:11:33.809 --> 0:11:38.250 an invitation-only situation, meaning they picked who applied for it 0:11:38.650 --> 0:11:40.970 because they had already picked who would end up getting 0:11:40.990 --> 0:11:43.870 the money. It was more than half a B for 0:11:43.929 --> 0:11:45.610 billion dollars and most of it went to the Labor 0:11:45.630 --> 0:11:47.770 Party or where the Labor Party wanted to win a seat. 0:11:48.210 --> 0:11:53.579 Pork barrelling by any definition. Any definition. Well, the Prime 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.060 Minister thought that when he plays an away game by 0:11:56.100 --> 0:11:57.970 turning up here, when he got to a home game 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.990 that was the ABC, that somehow, if this question came up, 0:12:01.070 --> 0:12:03.350 he would be able to again bat it away. But 0:12:03.410 --> 0:12:05.990 this is yet another prime example of the Prime Minister 0:12:06.429 --> 0:12:09.550 at his worst. Believe it or not, despite the fact 0:12:09.590 --> 0:12:11.690 that it was a dirt sheet, despite the fact that 0:12:11.710 --> 0:12:18.440 it was full of innuendo, suggestion, muddying of the waters... Apparently, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.760 the Prime Minister's office went to the extent of putting 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:27.380 this whole thing together as a way of complimenting Helen Haynes. 0:12:28.020 --> 0:12:30.830 The Prime Minister thinks you're stupid. The Prime Minister thinks 0:12:30.850 --> 0:12:33.690 you are not paying attention. But you're not, and you are. 0:12:35.090 --> 0:12:41.890 Let's be very clear, because apparently it's been published. It's 0:12:42.350 --> 0:12:48.800 a list of... Funding us from Helen Haynes just showing 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:53.809 that people of integrity stand up for their electorate. No 0:12:53.890 --> 0:12:55.850 personal criticism of Helen. 0:12:58.190 --> 0:13:00.730 Bullshit, Prime Minister. You know it and I know it 0:13:00.770 --> 0:13:03.470 that that is not true. Again, the assumption is nobody's 0:13:03.510 --> 0:13:05.500 read it, nobody's seen it. It's only in this little 0:13:05.530 --> 0:13:07.180 pocket of the internet and that little pocket of the 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.460 internet and nobody's paid attention. Can we go back to 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:14.530 the third example of what was written inside that dirt sheet? oh, 0:13:14.730 --> 0:13:17.170 we just decided to put together an entire list here 0:13:17.190 --> 0:13:21.150 of how amazing Helen Haynes is. No, what you wrote was, 0:13:21.510 --> 0:13:24.310 given that she's pushed for the funding of this project, 0:13:24.590 --> 0:13:27.610 has the member for Indi ever visited, been a member of, 0:13:27.870 --> 0:13:32.760 played with, trained with, watched games, donated to, been beneficiaries 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.320 of any club jerseys or other equipment? That's what you wrote. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.100 That's what you shoved around. That's what you put under 0:13:40.140 --> 0:13:43.000 the nose of reporters. to make sure that they didn't 0:13:43.059 --> 0:13:46.319 pay attention to her when she was calling out you 0:13:47.500 --> 0:13:53.720 and your practices as a government. This guy is unbelievable 0:13:54.380 --> 0:13:57.250 in how low he will stoop in the highest office 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.469 in the land. Perivan Odsalan, who again told us about 0:14:01.490 --> 0:14:04.990 the file, showed us the file, followed up today in 0:14:05.010 --> 0:14:09.790 the Daily Mail about the absurdity of the Prime Minister's 0:14:10.700 --> 0:14:15.459 New smother, new lie, new excuse, new patronising way of 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:20.980 talking to the Australian public. Unbelievable. The dirt file does 0:14:21.060 --> 0:14:23.340 contain a list of projects that Haynes was barracking for, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.780 but it is also a dirt sheet laden with innuendo. 0:14:28.650 --> 0:14:34.390 It questions her integrity, disclosures and motives when lobbying for funding. Yes, correct. 0:14:36.060 --> 0:14:39.020 It also just so happened to be released immediately after 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.720 Haynes criticised the Albanese government with its $ 6 million grant 0:14:41.740 --> 0:14:45.280 to the Maryville Golf Club. Not exactly the time for 0:14:45.330 --> 0:14:48.690 Albanese's office to be putting out a document highlighting Haynes' integrity. 0:14:49.090 --> 0:14:55.490 This is what sends so many Australians crazy about this guy. 0:14:56.470 --> 0:15:01.080 And before I get accused of raising the temperature, inspiring 0:15:01.140 --> 0:15:07.900 people to make threatening gestures, don't. Just remember the way 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.970 this guy gaslights, the way this guy lies, the way 0:15:10.990 --> 0:15:12.710 this guy tries to tell you that down is up 0:15:12.770 --> 0:15:17.430 and you're the one who's wrong for noticing gravity. It 0:15:17.490 --> 0:15:20.630 is not a magic trick that the Prime Minister possesses. 0:15:23.010 --> 0:15:29.200 It is a shamelessness that he honestly, honestly needs to change. Now, 0:15:29.220 --> 0:15:31.140 there'll be plenty of people who are part of the 0:15:31.180 --> 0:15:34.530 protectorate inside the Canberra media who And you've noticed where 0:15:34.650 --> 0:15:36.730 this part of the story has turned up and has 0:15:36.790 --> 0:15:39.390 not turned up. But they are the ones who were 0:15:39.410 --> 0:15:41.890 being exploited by the Prime Minister's office the first time 0:15:41.930 --> 0:15:44.570 around and are being lied to directly by the Prime 0:15:44.590 --> 0:15:47.390 Minister right now. There is only so far you can 0:15:47.430 --> 0:15:50.130 push that before eventually the benefit of the doubt, all 0:15:50.150 --> 0:15:54.180 the happy little arrangements, all the little phone calls, all 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.120 the weekend briefings. Yeah, we know about them. The weekend 0:15:58.180 --> 0:16:01.940 briefings start to become a little more uncomfortable for the 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.950 Prime Minister. and his media protectorate. As for the Australian public, 0:16:05.970 --> 0:16:08.290 they've already worked him out. Now, I don't know what's 0:16:08.310 --> 0:16:09.690 going to happen in the next election. There's a long 0:16:09.730 --> 0:16:12.370 way between now and then. But in the News 24 0:16:12.370 --> 0:16:14.480 polls that we brought you on Tuesday night, details up 0:16:14.510 --> 0:16:19.400 now at news24. com. au, 62% of Australians are dissatisfied with this 0:16:19.420 --> 0:16:26.420 bloke's performance. 65% are men, 60% of women. And the 0:16:26.500 --> 0:16:29.340 overall numbers for the Labor Party right now, they're down 0:16:29.340 --> 0:16:34.200 10 points since the election. Right now, it's a 50-50 ballgame. Now, again, 0:16:34.250 --> 0:16:36.040 I don't think that that would be the actual result 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.720 if an election was held today. But this bloke is 0:16:38.780 --> 0:16:42.300 in trouble, and it's not like the first time. There 0:16:42.340 --> 0:16:44.920 is no benefit of the doubt. We've had to live 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:46.920 with this bloke and live with his lies and live 0:16:46.940 --> 0:16:49.810 with his gaslighting and live with his changing of subjects 0:16:50.310 --> 0:16:56.810 and his changing of positions. And while I knew this 0:16:56.850 --> 0:16:59.730 in opposition, I told you about it in opposition, you 0:16:59.750 --> 0:17:03.320 may well have felt the same in opposition... Slowly but surely, 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.250 the number of people who are starting to see it, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.120 as we have always seen it, is growing. And unless 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.909 the ultimate magic trick here is that electoral gravity doesn't 0:17:11.970 --> 0:17:15.890 apply to him, then eventually there will be a breaking point. 0:17:16.910 --> 0:17:20.170 I think for some, some that have been the automatic 0:17:20.210 --> 0:17:23.530 benefit of the doubters inside the press gallery, the obvious, 0:17:23.770 --> 0:17:29.359 obvious double standard, and the frank, just outright gaslighting and lying... Oh, no, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.280 we were really... Yeah, yeah. It was somebody's joke. Can 0:17:31.300 --> 0:17:33.300 you imagine that? Somebody was told in the Prime Minister's office, hey, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.140 I've got an idea. Can you put together a list 0:17:35.180 --> 0:17:37.520 of why Helen Haynes is awesome? And then can you 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.560 take that to every reporter up there in the press gallery? 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.320 Because we think she's awesome. Do you honestly think that's 0:17:44.340 --> 0:17:49.020 what happened? Of course not. No-one thinks that. The government's 0:17:49.060 --> 0:17:51.400 in trouble. The Prime Minister is in trouble, whether they 0:17:51.460 --> 0:17:54.619 want to admit it or not. And, yes, it's because 0:17:54.859 --> 0:17:57.840 there have been 16 interest rate rises. But it's also 0:17:57.900 --> 0:18:02.710 because they lied about the taxes that became the law. 0:18:04.230 --> 0:18:08.869 He lies about everything, everything. From something as obvious as 0:18:08.910 --> 0:18:12.330 this to falling off a stage. At some point, that's 0:18:12.350 --> 0:18:15.619 going to be a problem. I think that problem is now. 0:18:17.500 --> 0:18:19.459 As for the member for Indi and her staff, her 0:18:19.500 --> 0:18:23.400 office will be reopening next week. Now, we understand that 0:18:23.460 --> 0:18:26.280 her staff have made some public comments today. They have 0:18:26.300 --> 0:18:28.969 said that they are of course, deeply traumatised, and not 0:18:29.010 --> 0:18:30.890 just because this is the woman that they work for, 0:18:30.930 --> 0:18:34.170 a person that they obviously love, but obviously somebody who 0:18:34.270 --> 0:18:37.740 they saw in the horrific pain that was there on Monday. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.900 Her staff are deeply traumatised. Her chief of staff has 0:18:42.940 --> 0:18:46.500 shared the team's devastation about what happened in Wangaratta on Monday. Quote, 0:18:47.090 --> 0:18:50.470 Most of us were in the office when the incident occurred. 0:18:50.530 --> 0:18:54.149 Some of us were involved in Helen's immediate care. This 0:18:54.170 --> 0:18:57.510 has been deeply traumatic for the team. We are receiving 0:18:57.550 --> 0:18:59.750 a great deal of support. My priority right now is 0:18:59.790 --> 0:19:02.570 making sure that Helen's staff is okay as they can be. 0:19:02.609 --> 0:19:05.170 I'm very proud of them and know Helen would be too. 0:19:06.950 --> 0:19:10.920 Roxette Haynes is a remarkable leader, truly wonderful boss, someone 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.720 we all care about deeply. Most of all, our hearts 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.980 right now are with Helen and Phil, their children and 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.520 their family. Roxette Haynes' staff would be doing their jobs 0:19:19.540 --> 0:19:23.020 better both for their boss and for the community. We 0:19:23.060 --> 0:19:26.900 also learned today that apparently $ 350, 000 has now been raised 0:19:27.220 --> 0:19:30.859 for the Save the Children Foundation. That's, of course, where 0:19:31.500 --> 0:19:33.740 the family has wanted the donations to go as opposed 0:19:33.780 --> 0:19:37.080 to flowers. Oh, yeah, and her supporters, her political supporters 0:19:37.220 --> 0:19:40.570 in the city of Indi. To show their support, they 0:19:40.590 --> 0:19:43.730 don't put up giant posters of Helen Haynes to say, hey, 0:19:43.750 --> 0:19:46.970 vote one for her. Instead, they've got a little symbol here, 0:19:47.630 --> 0:19:50.629 one that is representing her as a regional independent and 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.060 people have decided to put those back out the front 0:19:53.100 --> 0:19:56.480 of their houses to show their support in and around 0:19:56.540 --> 0:19:59.160 the electorate. Now, again, this is not about a person 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.840 we agree with or disagree with. This is about a mum, 0:20:01.900 --> 0:20:08.420 a grandmother, community leader and a person who, I think... 0:20:09.230 --> 0:20:11.410 Far better than the Prime Minister who's trying to, well, 0:20:11.490 --> 0:20:18.200 as always, pretend you can't notice the obvious. As for 0:20:18.300 --> 0:20:21.480 the economy, perhaps the single biggest reason why the Prime 0:20:21.500 --> 0:20:24.320 Minister and the Labor Party are in a world of pain, because, 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.380 of course, we have had 16 interest rate rises since 0:20:27.420 --> 0:20:30.369 this bloke came to power, promising to lower the cost 0:20:30.570 --> 0:20:33.290 of living. Now, I don't care how much Taito he 0:20:33.310 --> 0:20:36.630 throws at it. He is responsible. Why? Because we know 0:20:36.670 --> 0:20:39.170 domestic inflation was a problem before the war and it 0:20:39.210 --> 0:20:42.909 continues to be one during the war in Iran. And 0:20:42.930 --> 0:20:44.889 there's only so much people can take. More evidence of 0:20:44.930 --> 0:20:45.449 that today. 0:20:47.300 --> 0:20:49.540 Inflation is up. Interest rates are up. 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.439 And so 16 interest rate rises. 0:20:52.220 --> 0:20:54.840 Under Anthony Albanese means that it is. 0:20:54.859 --> 0:20:57.980 Harder than ever to purchase a first house and to 0:20:58.060 --> 0:20:59.110 service that mortgage. 0:20:59.550 --> 0:21:01.350 The government needs to tell the truth to people, right? 0:21:01.650 --> 0:21:03.660 They need to say that we need to cut back 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.359 on spending, otherwise interest rates are going to keep going up. 0:21:06.420 --> 0:21:08.780 The economic model is designed to take from the future 0:21:09.100 --> 0:21:12.889 to cover for his political and economic blunders today, and 0:21:12.950 --> 0:21:16.010 as a consequence, we have upward pressure on inflation that 0:21:16.030 --> 0:21:19.190 flows through interest rates and prices at the supermarket. 0:21:20.830 --> 0:21:23.330 Well, first Tuesday in November, not just the Melbourne Cup, 0:21:23.390 --> 0:21:26.990 not just the American midterm elections, but yet another opportunity 0:21:27.030 --> 0:21:28.770 for the Reserve Bank to make a decision which will 0:21:28.790 --> 0:21:31.649 make life harder for about a third of the country. 0:21:31.690 --> 0:21:33.149 A third of the country own their own house, a 0:21:33.190 --> 0:21:35.310 third are paying one off, a third are renting, so 0:21:35.350 --> 0:21:38.230 presumably it's more than a third because somebody owns those houses, 0:21:39.180 --> 0:21:41.139 many of which would still, of course, have a mortgage 0:21:41.180 --> 0:21:43.320 on top of them. The expectation is interest rates will 0:21:43.340 --> 0:21:45.719 continue to go up, regardless of what is happening in 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.620 other parts of the economy. Why? Because we are hearing 0:21:48.660 --> 0:21:53.290 it directly from... the Deputy Governor of the Reserve Bank. 0:21:56.450 --> 0:22:00.689 He says, the inflation outlook looks materially worse than we 0:22:00.730 --> 0:22:04.609 projected in the August report. He told an investment conference 0:22:04.630 --> 0:22:08.490 at a fireside chat that oil prices were about a 0:22:08.530 --> 0:22:11.320 third higher than the central bank had previously assumed them 0:22:11.380 --> 0:22:15.800 to be. He said those cost pressures had continued to 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:20.919 build even as the Australian economy deteriorated on other fronts. Meantime, 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.420 we learned today that about half or an awful lot 0:22:24.660 --> 0:22:28.070 of Australians are spending half of every dollar that they 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:31.670 earn on keeping a roof over their head. Mortgage stress. 0:22:33.050 --> 0:22:39.909 PRD's Real Estate, Australian Economic and Property report found that 0:22:39.950 --> 0:22:44.590 mortgage repayments now consume a record 50.9% of family income. 0:22:45.290 --> 0:22:49.350 Four interest rate hikes this year have pushed people to 0:22:49.390 --> 0:22:52.080 breaking point. Oh, but all of those changes when it 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.240 comes to the taxes, that was about lowering house prices, 0:22:54.260 --> 0:22:56.600