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<v Speaker 1>And finally we're there final series that feels slightly unfamiliar,

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<v Speaker 1>only four Victorian teams and just the solo Week one

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<v Speaker 1>final in Melbourne, so everyone's eyes will be on the

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<v Speaker 1>g on Friday night for the All VIC elimination final

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<v Speaker 1>between the Dogs and Hawks. Hello and welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Herald Sun Footy Podcast. I'm Andy BelAZ and Josh Barnes

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<v Speaker 1>will join me coming up to talk about how the

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs are planning on stopping Hawthorne's small forward brigade and

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<v Speaker 1>where the game will be won. And then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>Blues with up to nine changes possible from their final

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<v Speaker 1>round team. Josh will go through who could and who

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<v Speaker 1>should come in to face the Lions at the Gabba

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday night. Here's Josh and here on the Herald

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<v Speaker 1>Sun Footy Podcast. Well, there's one final in Melbourne only

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. As we all know, it's the Dogs and Hawks,

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<v Speaker 1>and Josh Barnes join me to talk just those two teams,

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<v Speaker 1>can bar.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a huge Friday night and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have much else on otherwise. We'll be at the

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<v Speaker 2>pub all weekend, but it's going to be massive Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And you were at the Dogs on Monday and

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<v Speaker 1>got some of the inside word about how are they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to stop the Hawks Juggernauts.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you learn the glamorous life of the journalists

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<v Speaker 2>was that we were locked outside of their indoor training

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<v Speaker 2>facility when it started hailing at the Whitna Beautiful, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure a lot of Dog fans and opposition fans

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<v Speaker 2>have experienced over the years. So if you ever want

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<v Speaker 2>to think about the glamorous journals lining up against the

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<v Speaker 2>wall trying to shield themselves from the rain, it was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty funny out there. But once we got inside, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>all the talk is about Hawthorne. It's probably the two,

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<v Speaker 2>potentially the two most form sides in the whole eight

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<v Speaker 2>playing each other. One will one will keep going, one

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<v Speaker 2>will be eliminated. Obviously, Andy, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it will be decided in Hawthorne's front half. The Bulldogs

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<v Speaker 2>have sort of remodeled and reshaped their back on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot with Roy Lobb this year. Liam Jones got through luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, from avoiding suspension in the last round, he'll

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<v Speaker 2>be playing and a lot of it is about Hawthorne's

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<v Speaker 2>small forwards.

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<v Speaker 3>When Hawthorne beat the Bulldogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier this year, Kroon McDonald kicked three goals jacking in

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<v Speaker 2>one and Dylan Moore won and that was about all

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<v Speaker 2>They got ours more forwards, so they didn't get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot there, but they still beat him, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>they can get a little bit of improvement there and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a lot resting I think on

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Derra coming into this round because he's on the

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<v Speaker 2>plays lockdown there for the Dogs or Bailey Dale Lucky

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<v Speaker 2>Bramble run the other way, so it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty tricky job for him to try and marshal the troops.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting there, isn't it that two of the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>three small backs are ex Hawks in Jurey and Bramble.

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<v Speaker 1>Jure is a great survivor, isn't he Because he's it's

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<v Speaker 1>felt like he's been on the way out multiple times

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<v Speaker 1>over the last ten years or so, and yet here

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<v Speaker 1>he comes into another final series for the Dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>He played in Hawthorn's last final in twenty eighteen, so

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's five or six Hawks remaining and he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be playing as well on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked him about his contact says, so he

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<v Speaker 2>was delisted last year and rerookied he was always he

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<v Speaker 2>always thought he was going to be fine there. He

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in any danger being cut completely. But he's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>confident that he's going to get his eighth one year

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<v Speaker 2>deal in a row at the end of this year

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<v Speaker 2>is what he reckons. So it's been a long journey

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<v Speaker 2>for him, but he's still such a vital play started

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<v Speaker 2>the year in the VFL. He's going to end it well,

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<v Speaker 2>potentially end in the final series this year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's slightly a shame, isn't it that? As you said,

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<v Speaker 1>the Dogs and the Hawks probably the two of the

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<v Speaker 1>more exciting teams, well the most exciting teams coming into

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<v Speaker 1>the final season series taking each other on. But it

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<v Speaker 1>will be a sight to behold on Friday night. Where

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<v Speaker 1>did detailed Deerra think that the Dogs can win the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think they're pretty focused on the midfield.

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<v Speaker 2>With will Day out, I think they can really get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot in there. Lot will be resting on Adam

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<v Speaker 2>tra Law. He'll be training on Wednesday to try and

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<v Speaker 2>prove that calf is all good to play in the

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<v Speaker 2>elimination final and should he get up, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>have a bit of an advantage there the Dogs just

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<v Speaker 2>in their ability to win the contest and spread forward

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<v Speaker 2>and their forward line. The Hawthorne back line is I

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<v Speaker 2>guess susceptible. James Sissley is a start down there, but

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Frost has held things together down there a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit this year. Obviously, if Norton Uglhagen get going down there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be pretty hard to stop with Sam

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<v Speaker 2>Darcy as well. So I think that's where their advantages

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<v Speaker 2>are and that's why Hawthorne's Fordlorn has to be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Their main weapon, I think was the way we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to stop them is not letting the ball inside the

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<v Speaker 2>forward fifty, which is never a great sign. Was the

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<v Speaker 2>way from both Bailey Dale and Taylor Deray yesterday. But

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it is handover. So we're getting into

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<v Speaker 2>the nitty gritty here, Andy, But you if you're at

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<v Speaker 2>the mc jennifer night, you'll see that Deray, Jones and

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<v Speaker 2>Lob often of the three deepest defenders, and so they'll

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<v Speaker 2>be handing over and allowing that, and Hawthorne will be

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<v Speaker 2>trying to mix them up and confuse them going back

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<v Speaker 2>the other way. So it's going to be a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of action inside that back fifty for the Dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the other hand, we have Geelong playing in

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's only two other Victorian teams in the eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Four of the teams from interstate. No interstate supporters don't

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<v Speaker 1>like us calling them the interstate teams and non Victorian teams.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Cats are playing Port Adelaide over there in Adelaide,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll talk after the break about how Carlton

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<v Speaker 1>might look very different from their final round team as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But as someone with an intimate knowledge and love for

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<v Speaker 1>the Cats, how do the Cats look coming up against Port?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fascinating question for me is Sam to coning

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<v Speaker 2>and his role earning into the weekend. So he played

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<v Speaker 2>in the VFL last week after he's been dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>a knee injury, had a very minor operation a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>He only played in the ruck in the VFL. Now

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<v Speaker 2>recently has been okay in the AFL level recently, I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's been reasonable the last month or so, so

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't been sort of battling there. But the Cats

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be debating whether to play Sam mcconneing

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<v Speaker 2>at full back or in the ruck. Port Adelaide I

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<v Speaker 2>think of debating their own forward line. Charlie Dixon looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he will play. You assume Vizentinis dropped out of

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<v Speaker 2>that team that leads Radigalia at full forward versus Todd Marshall. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I think deciding whether they play they if they do

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<v Speaker 2>play Radigli and Dixon together, that's two very tall forwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Geelong doesn't really have a toll back outside of Daconing,

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Henry and Jake College As you're both undersized down there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to be fascinating debate for Chris Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>In the past he has surprises in first finals of

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<v Speaker 2>the years. Ree Stanley was dropped in twenty nineteen last

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<v Speaker 2>minute because of the weather and then it didn't rain,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was a mistake. Gelong lost that game to Collingwood.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder whether Reed Stanley's going to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>gun again. It's going to be a really interesting watch

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<v Speaker 2>this week which way they go down there.

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<v Speaker 1>And Chris Gott always seems to have Mark Blitzavs who

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<v Speaker 1>he can just slot into any role, including into the

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<v Speaker 1>ruck as well if needed at times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the interesting thing also with Blizavs is

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<v Speaker 2>against West Coast. He was playing keyback for periods of time,

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<v Speaker 2>which we haven't seen him do for six or seven

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<v Speaker 2>years really, So he was manning Oscar Allen at stages

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<v Speaker 2>against West Coast in the last round. Whether that was

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<v Speaker 2>just a way to get him out of middle and

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<v Speaker 2>save his body, whether that was a genuine testing him

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<v Speaker 2>out to see if he's still capable of playing fullback,

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<v Speaker 2>and they could rotate Blixavs in deconing out of defense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be fascinating. It's an interesting question for

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<v Speaker 2>Geelong to answer. I guess on Thursday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so. Yeah, by the weekend we'll have seen both

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<v Speaker 1>of these results and we'll have a bit more of

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<v Speaker 1>an understanding of where we sit for week two. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a break and let's come back and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>those Blues. Listening to the Harold Sun Footy podcast here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Herald Sun Footy podcast, Well, we've discussed the

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs and the Hawks, we've discussed the Cats and Port.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Barnes is with me, and let's talk the Blues

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<v Speaker 1>because they're seemingly the most intriguing prospect for the finals.

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<v Speaker 1>The week one of the finals, that is, because they've

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<v Speaker 1>been banged up, they've had a week off and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a possibility that multiple players who we didn't think could

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<v Speaker 1>come up might end up being in that their finals

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<v Speaker 1>team to take on Brisbane up there at the GABA.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a wild month, I suppose for Carlton with

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<v Speaker 2>all the injuries. They've just continually picked up, limping through

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<v Speaker 2>the last two rounds, getting into the eight and now

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know how many are going to be back.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll be training all week trying to prove I guess

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<v Speaker 2>who is capable and ready. There's eight players waiting hoping

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<v Speaker 2>to play, so Charlie Koner, Hary McKay, Zach Williams, Mitch McGown,

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Doherty, Adam Chera and Jack Martin and Tom deaconing

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<v Speaker 2>as well. That's nine I think in the end, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well I've lost cout this too many. It's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of players. Matt Owis will be out with suspension otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to cut a lot of those

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<v Speaker 2>young players that they brought in for the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of rounds come to fill aside really and feel the

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<v Speaker 2>team sheet.

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<v Speaker 3>How many changes is too many?

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<v Speaker 2>Edy have we learned any lessons about this over the

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<v Speaker 2>years or is it really just a case by case base.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, anecdotal, it's always been about five changes has been

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<v Speaker 1>too many. I think it's always you know, the old

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<v Speaker 1>footy fans will say, oh, team that makes five changes isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to win that week.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they're injury based, and I mean it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to forget now that they're in the finals and we've

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<v Speaker 1>had a week off that they didn't look all that

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<v Speaker 1>impressive against some Kilda in the final round, losing to

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<v Speaker 1>the Saints, only just scraping in because Frio lost at

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<v Speaker 1>home to Port in that last game of the round.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, five or six changes is not

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<v Speaker 1>inconceivable for the Blues, particularly when you're talking about Colonel McKay,

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<v Speaker 1>cherr possibly and even Dougherty.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what a story that would be. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well the famous example is the Bulldogs twenty sixteen when

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<v Speaker 2>they rung the changes there. They had the week off,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first time we'd had the pre finals

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<v Speaker 2>by and they made a huge amount of changes. But

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<v Speaker 2>they were similar to cut and they were frontline players

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<v Speaker 2>that they needed to get back in and it worked

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<v Speaker 2>for them. They got them all back and they made

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<v Speaker 2>a Premiership run. It's very hard to say. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these players picked themselves. Yeah, if Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>Kerner and Hoan McKay can walk, they're going to be playing.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to be in the team, they have to

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<v Speaker 2>be playing. Mitch mcgovernn has to play. I think for

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<v Speaker 2>structural reasons, I think Zach Williams should be good to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's too risky to play Adam Cheerah and

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Martin just because we know they've broken down several

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<v Speaker 2>times before and if they do that in the first

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<v Speaker 2>half on Saturday, you're in real trouble there, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the fairy tales. Really, Sam Dougherty did his

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<v Speaker 2>knee earlier this year, we all thought that's it for him,

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<v Speaker 2>and now he's in the frame and the talk out

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<v Speaker 2>of Carlton Inta that he's a genuine chance to play.

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<v Speaker 2>It's strange to play something in the final well off

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<v Speaker 2>a knee, without playing in the VFL or anything, But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, can you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing. That would be the difficulty for me. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>History suggests that players who come back in after long

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<v Speaker 1>periods and are spirited straight into teams or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>played when they've come back from an injury, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after a week or less, often it doesn't quite work,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be the heartbreaking thing that maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>bring him back in it's a fairy tale and then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, soft tissue injury gets him or something like

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<v Speaker 1>that early in the game. I think they need to

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<v Speaker 1>show caution because they obviously, you know, they made the

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<v Speaker 1>finals without him, so you know, yeah, I don't know personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I think as nice as it would be for Carlton fans,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be a risk too great to take.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and often they struggle the second week up as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but for Carlton, there may not be a second week.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're going to take the risk, now's the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fascinating and they do have players, as we said,

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<v Speaker 2>that can sort of go out. They're they're not players

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<v Speaker 2>that can't be removed from the team, with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of young players that did a good job in the

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<v Speaker 2>last two weeks to get them to finals, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>sort of expendable a little bit unfortunately for them. The

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<v Speaker 2>other one, obviously is Tom Deconey with his foot that

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<v Speaker 2>he missed the last I think six weeks or so

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<v Speaker 2>of the regular season. He apparently trained okay on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another big risk with him and the question the

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<v Speaker 2>age or question with Carlton where they played two rucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he can play him as a solo

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<v Speaker 2>ruck straight out of nowhere. So then sometimes when he's

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<v Speaker 2>played as a second ruck, it really dilutes both of

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<v Speaker 2>their sort of outputs him in Mark Pittnet so whether

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<v Speaker 2>that's even worth the change itself, It's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>another question when they go to Brisbane.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think they are a chance?

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<v Speaker 2>In Brisbane they're going to make at least at least

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<v Speaker 2>four changes, potentially up to six or seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I think everyone's a chance this final season. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>than any one of that, you know, the chasing pack

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't quite make the eight you put you slot

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<v Speaker 1>them into picks positions six, seven, eight, I think they

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<v Speaker 1>would have been just as much of a risk to

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<v Speaker 1>any of the top four teams as well. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of those open seasons and I still

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<v Speaker 1>believe that that any of the top eight could win

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<v Speaker 1>the flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think that final looms is the most

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<v Speaker 2>I guess one side and when you look at it,

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<v Speaker 2>but we can't get these players back.

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows. I don't think you can do any tipping.

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<v Speaker 2>We did our crystal balling in tomorrow's Herald Sun, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm confident that ninety percent of my crystal balling will

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<v Speaker 2>be wrong, So I'm sure I'm sure whatever eye tip

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<v Speaker 2>will be incorrected.

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<v Speaker 1>To spend that kind of season, we won't hold you

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<v Speaker 1>to it. But I mean and also, yes, Brisbane came back.

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<v Speaker 1>But in that first quarter in last year's preliminary final,

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<v Speaker 1>we're Carlton, We're not expected to go anywhere. It looked

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<v Speaker 1>like how far Carlton didn't that they were miles in

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<v Speaker 1>front of quarter time and Brisbane peeked them back. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if they can do that again, they're very

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<v Speaker 1>good with the fast starts of Blues. So yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>get those forwards back in it can loom large for

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<v Speaker 1>a Brisbane team who have fought their own way back.

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<v Speaker 1>Three months ago they weren't even looking like making finals.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think anything can happen come finals, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's so exciting about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the opposite in opening around the Brisbane

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<v Speaker 2>We're up by eight goals, yeah, in the second quarter,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Carlton Peka back and beat them, which it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like a long time ago now. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating game that one so hopefully up for as good

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<v Speaker 2>a contest on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Josh Barnes, enjoy your Finals footy.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk to you again soon. Thanks Andy, that'll do us.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's Herald's On Footy podcast, I'm Andy Belaiz and

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<v Speaker 1>my thanks to Josh Barnes for joining me today. Make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you keep an eye out for our finals crystal

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<v Speaker 1>Ball on Wednesday morning. Mieck mcguan will play coach in

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<v Speaker 1>previewing each of the finals. We'll have live coverage of

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<v Speaker 1>all four games and of course Robbos can't mistackle on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll catch you next week.