WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 June 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:06.720 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live as 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:08.480 we go to where tonight there is a tragedy that 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.320 is unfolding. In the past two hours. A gunman has 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:16.079 entered a school in Austria, has opened fire and at 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.759 least ten people are dead. The reports that we've received 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:21.880 is that in the past couple of hours and it 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.400 is now just gone one o'clock in the afternoon in 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:30.080 this town Gratz in Austria that's in the southeast of 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.280 the country, that in the past two hours news started 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.400 to break that shots had been fired at a school. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.959 I don't know if it is a high school or 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.400 a primary school. As soon as I know, i'll pass 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:48.320 that information to you. We now understand that ten people 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:53.480 have died. Seven of them are the school children, one 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:58.520 adult who is at the school. The gunman is also 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:03.840 dead and according to local media the government was a 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.920 student or at least of student age. Again, I will 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.440 wait to confirm what we know and what Austrian authorities know, 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.400 as opposed to some of the rampant speculation that is 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:20.399 rolling around on social media. I understand that the multiple 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.440 shots started to be fired in at least two classrooms. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.039 There are at the moment a huge security response which 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.320 obviously you can see in terms of the police. There 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.800 are at least one hundred and fifty eight paramedics that 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.360 are currently at the scene of this school shooting in 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:46.440 the southeastern Austrian town of Gratz. The Austrian Chancellor has 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.560 called it a national tragedy that has shaken our country 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.200 and that news this evening is that at least ten 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:59.080 people are dead. Seven are students, one is an adult, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.360 is the gunman, and I don't know at this stage 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.720 whom the tenth person is, whether it is another adult 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:11.080 or another student. Sadly, this is going to be flowing 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.920 through the show this evening as the latest information comes 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.640 to us, and of course when we hear more from 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.320 our colleagues in the UK or the Austrian authorities, we 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.919 will pass the information on. So as we start our 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.680 discussion tonight, a horrible situation playing out on the other 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.480 side of the world where it is still the middle 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.160 of a school day, a school day where one school 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:36.840 in the southeast of Austria has been the location of 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:43.200 a mass shooting. Ten people dead, seven are the students, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.760 one adult the gunman, and one other person yet to 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.320 be confirmed. As to what their age was. Again, when 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.480 I know more, I will pass it on to you 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:54.360 in the moments that will lead ahead in what is 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.920 going to be a difficult hour. But of course we 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.000 will continue on with the show as planned. In between 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.320 the information that will be coming to us. There is 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.040 a lot of stuff on social media, including videos purporting 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:12.920 to be shot in and around the school. We're not 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.720 going to play those here at this stage. Again, particularly 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.280 our colleagues in Europe are trying to verify those videos. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.360 If a decision is made by them to show part 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.280 of it, we will make a separate editorial decision here 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.240 as to whether it is played. So you may read 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:31.920 more on the internet than I'm going to tell you 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.360 in the next few minutes. But as always with these things, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:42.640 the tragedy is deep, profound and absolute, and adding anything 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.720 more than what we know to be true is deeply 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.960 unhelpful at this time. All right, let's turn our attention 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:55.280 to the matters to do with Australian politics here this evening. Now, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.800 in the Northern Territory, a few weeks ago, there was 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.400 a man who was confronted by police after he had 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.240 confronted a security guard who had confronted him in the 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:09.000 middle of shoplifting. Now, this story has been one that 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.120 has echoed around the country and it is one that 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.760 if you pay attention to Matt Cunningham and his reporting 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.200 in the Northern Territory, none of this is news to you. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.159 If the only time you get to catch up with 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.400 things is this time of night, this might be the 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.480 first time that you were starting to hear about it. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.760 But here's the details of what we know to be 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.760 the situation now. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.919 Police say he was observed in the Coles Supermarket in 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.160 Alice Springs taking items from the shelves, putting them into 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.560 his clothes when he was confronted by two security guards. 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.360 At that point, police say there was an altercation where 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.599 one of those security guards was assaulted. He was held 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.800 on the ground for several minutes and lost consciousness. He 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.640 was taken to the Alice Springs Hospital but later died. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.920 Now, the situation is one that has echoed aroun the country. Obviously, 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.760 his family heartbroken as to what took place here and 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.560 they demand more answers. And there seems to be a 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.279 situation here where there are plenty of people who are 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:19.400 marching in his memory or marching against potentially the actions 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.080 of authorities. Now that has happened not just in and 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.200 around Darwin, but as you can see there, that's people 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.760 moving towards the police center from memory Sydney Police Center 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:33.760 in Sydney. There's been lots of other examples around the country. Now, again, 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:35.920 just as I said before when it came to the 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:40.440 breaking news, nothing is helpful by speculating or trying to 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.919 get ahead of what we know to be the case. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.880 All we know is that there was this confrontation and 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:52.920 the man later died as a result of the confrontation. 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.680 Now enter into this the Northern Territory Police who've made 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.400 a decision that they are not going to have an 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:07.440 independent investigation into what took place. Now, for those who 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.560 are suspicious of the Northern Territory Police, I'm not one 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.240 of those people, but for those that are, and there 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.440 are a significant number, the idea that this would be 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:20.440 investigated internally when potentially obviously there's a direct correlation between 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:25.560 the incident with police and the man dying, that this 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.360 is something that should be being dealt with outside of 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:35.480 the system. But the acting Northern Territory Commissioner had this 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.520 to say at the time which was I understand the 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.680 high level of public interest in this matter. However, I 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.480 respectfully reject the cause for an investigation to be handed 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:47.440 by an external body. Now, for what it's worth, my 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:53.599 view here is that something like this where potentially the 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:58.480 obvious X factor here between the man walking into the 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:02.240 shop and then the man and dying within hours of 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:07.560 this situation, obviously needs to be investigated. I believe that 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:12.920 probably an internal investigation is not appropriate, and there will 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.320 be a form of an independent investigation, and that will 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.240 be the coroner. The coroner will hold as they have 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.200 in other situations, and open hearing where they will go 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.760 on an investigation about who what and if there's things 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.680 like body cam footage, all of that will happen. If 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.600 there is to be some other investigation, I hope it 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.640 is not internal to the Northern Territory Police Force. I 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.600 have the coroner's work can begin as soon as possible. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.720 But if there's going to be a very significant gap, 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.200 then pretty obviously people are going to have to start 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.920 to see the footage of all of the incident. Okay, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.040 now it's going to be confronting and we'll see where 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.960 it goes from there. But enter into the phray, somebody 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.400 trying to whip things up to one hundred. Lydia Thorpe, 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.520 she of course was welcome with opened arms. Today onto 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.880 the aba. We see where she decided to rip into 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:06.080 the Chief Minister Leofanukiaro, the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.360 who has supported the decision of the police to keep 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.160 this in house, while of course understanding that there is 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.800 going to be the external inquiry. At a point of 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.080 the coroner, Lydia Thorpe says that the Northern Territory Chief 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:25.000 Minister is complicit in genocide because of deaths in custody. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.840 This is what an elected senator in the Australian Parliament 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.560 says about the police force in the Northern Territory. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.400 There's no trust in the Northern Territory Police force. We 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.920 know that they have systemic racism. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.000 She goes on, as I say, to be quite specific 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.400 in her criticism and in my view, she's dialed up 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.440 to eleven about the Chief Minister. Now, remember the Chief 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:54.760 Minister is not involved in the confrontation between this indigenous 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.080 man and the police in the Northern Territory. But that 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.840 doesn't save her from the invective of the Senator. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.440 Well, I think that shows how how out of touch 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.040 the Northern Territory Chief Minister is and that she is 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.920 complicit in the ongoing genocide against our people. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.360 Seriously, I mean, think about the biggest possible words that 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.600 you can use at this particular time when understandably and 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:26.360 correctly tensions are incredibly high at the moment. Again, I 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.880 want to know what happened. I want to know whom 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.000 and what is responsible for this man's death. I want 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:37.240 that to be investigated with as much sunlight as possible. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.120 And I know for an absolute fact that Matt Cunningham 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.720 has talked about this day after day after day, because 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:47.439 there seems to be that growing movement around greater transparency 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.720 in and around what took place here. Okay, she appeared 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.200 on Radio National this morning and the host of their 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.680 breakfast show did push back ish, but have a listen 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.439 to how the Senator just rolled and was no further 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.680 challenged upon her claim of the Chief Minister in the 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:10.360 Northern Territory being complicit in genocide. Federal surrevidence of them. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:18.520 Well, the definition of genocide, according to the Geneva Convention 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.840 is causing harm to a group of people the ongoing 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.120 killings of our people in custody is ongoing harm of 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:27.920 our people. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:35.000 Now again, we we're talking about accidents, medical episodes, suicides. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.960 References to killings of people when they are in custody. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.760 Not the type of stuff that I believe to be helpful, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.679 either for the family or anyone else. But certainly also 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.960 not helpful is the idea of this thing well being 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.200 discussed behind closed doors, when for obvious reasons, it needs 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:56.640 to be out in the open. Now to the politics 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.080 of the day. You may will have noticed of the 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.920 pastor a couple of weeks, I haven't been bashing into 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.640 elbow the way that I normally would. Why because he's 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.000 just been on a victory lap, and I don't think 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.680 any of us want to see the rubbing in of 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.719 the victory lap of the bloke who has as many 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.120 seats in the parliament. Now we'll very close to as 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.400 John Howard did after thumping keeping back in nineteen ninety six. 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.600 But today he was playing yet another home game the 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.680 National Press Club, where, of course much of the media 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.199 that did the work for him of not calling him 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.640 out on his own lives, not calling him out on 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.679 his own tactics, not calling him out on much of 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:37.240 his online bullying behavior towards anyone running against him. Well, 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.480 none of that, But there was a little bit of 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.679 news that was made from all of it today and 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:47.360 it centers around the concept of the average Australian who is, 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.800 no matter how many of them we are, that we're 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.720 going backwards. Right for the best part of two of 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.280 the past three years, we've been in what's called per 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.680 capita session. Put simply, it doesn't matter how many people 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:08.120 are in the country, but many industries are going backwards. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.320 There are many signs of this when it comes to 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.240 anything from mining all the way through to your small business. 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.320 All of it's in trouble right now. And as I 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.520 showed you last week, when it comes to the growth 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.760 of the Australian economy, it is like a car that 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.080 is sitting in idle and slightly rolling forward when it 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:32.800 comes to the lights point one point two point three 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.440 point six and then back to point two of one 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.640 percent growth. Then the second number that you can see there, 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.520 which is GDP per capita. That's when we start to 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.800 talk about how the twenty seven million of us are 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:49.040 faring as opposed to the economy going backwards in December, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:54.080 in March, in June ever so slightly forward by zero 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.440 point one percent in December, and then in March we're 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.559 going backwards again. This is what we refer to as 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.920 the per capita recession. Now, of course I'm not an economist, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.960 I don't pretend to play one on television, but I 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.760 know the economy certainly matters regardless of what people want 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.920 to say when it comes to election results. But a 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.360 person who is an economist can try to explain why 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:22.040 the country ever so slightly sputtering along, but the average 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.120 Australian going backwards is a bad thing, and how it works. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.160 And as you point out, given strong population growth of 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:36.000 we're still running around one point seven percent. Population growth, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.440 not as strong as it was a year or two ago, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.240 is still pretty strong. That means per person, the economy 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.120 is going backwards, and it's gone backwards for nine of 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.640 the last eleven quarters at almost continuously, apart from two 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.400 quarters over the last three years, the economy has gone 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.520 backwards when measured on a per person basis. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.640 So, of course, as you know, the federal government bring 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.840 in as many people as they possibly can more more, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.960 regardless of the fact there's not enough housing, regardless of 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.679 the fact that the existing population, including people who were 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.800 here as soon as last year or have been here 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:16.719 for generations, that those people are suffering financial hardship. Now 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.400 we would have thought that this would have played out 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.240 at the election, it didn't, or people thought that they 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.400 were completely fine with the government that was in place. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.280 But the reality is that the last three years are 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.200 starting to give us an indication that the next three 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.200 years are not going to be very different. This, of 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.880 course was a point we made many many times in 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:42.840 many many shows, and of course the Australian people made 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.000 their choice for whatever reason. Well, and the more boys 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.400 get it right. I'm not playing sour grapes. But the 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.360 way that the economy has to grow is through a 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.080 thing called productivity. And put simply, this bloke from the 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.960 Reserve Bank will explain the concept of productivity to. 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.760 So when we talk about productivity, we're talking about how 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.720 much output we get relative to what we put in. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.720 So at an individual level, I increase my own productivity 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.560 by making a shopping list before I go to the 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.640 supermarket to make sure you don't forget anything and avoid 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:21.000 multiple trips to the supermarket at the firm level productivity 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:26.080 might be improved by implementing customer relationship management software streamline 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.400 communications with clients to automate routine tasks. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.400 Now, I understand there's a very dry weekbooks that I'm 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.080 drying to share with you right now, But believe me, 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.960 there's a point, and it's about olbow. But you can 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.160 see via this chart again from the Reserve Bank, about 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.480 a straight is productivity that basically once we were all 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.640 locked in our bedroom, so there was a big spike 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.840 once we came out, but then straight right back down 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:55.640 to the levels of say two thousand and sixteen, twenty seventeen, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.640 a little bit better but not anywhere near where we 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.560 were in twenty nineteen, in twenty three, and then back 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.280 down in twenty twenty four, and again, why does all 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.760 of this matter? Again, the bloke from the Reserve Bank, 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.640 who at the very least I will give him points 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.200 for presentation, is trying to give a bit of energy 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.800 to what can be a difficult discussion. But I promise 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:17.800 I'm getting it a bit where I'll bash our bow 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.840 in a second, but I just want to set the table. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:25.720 And yes, it's a very dry wheatbix if productivity increases. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:28.800 The economy can produce more goods and services from all 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.360 the available economic inputs. So as such, productivity is a 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.920 key driver of growth in the supply capacity of the economy, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.040 or as economist nerds call it, potential output. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.720 So we have been not going forward when it comes 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.440 to productivity, which in part is one of the reasons 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.280 why we are going backwards in terms of living standards. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.360 We remember we were back to the nineteen fifties in 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.360 terms of living standards in the past three years before 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.680 the election. But as you and I both know, the 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.600 election was about Orange Man bad change the subject. Many 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.120 care all the rest of it because if it was 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.920 about this there probably would have been a different result. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.200 But again I am not looking I am just again 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.800 setting the table. And this problem of productivity is something 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:15.879 that a government is absolutely involved in trying to fix. Instead, 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.880 this government has had us in reverse for way too long. Again, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.320 somebody who can explain it better than me, make canavan. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.040 Where is the government's plan to improve our productivity. Our 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.919 productivity's fallen by five point three percent in the first 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.160 three years of this government. They've never seen a reduction 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.760 like that, and that is the reason interest rates are 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.159 higher than they should have to be. It's the reason 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.680 people's take home pay it doesn't seem to be going 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.280 very far anymore. It's the reason you can't buy as 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.840 much at the shops that you used to, or that 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.400 when you do go and buy the things you want 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.080 to buy, it's much much more expensive than it used 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:50.440 to be. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.439 So we get it right. Productivity is a problem, the 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.000 consequences of it. You've just heard explained, the reasons why 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.080 we are going backward. You have also heard and what 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.359 it means. Okay, so now let's pour some milk in 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.280 a fair amount of sugar on that very dry wheat 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:14.320 bix because today the Prime Minister was talking about productivity 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:21.240 and his big, bold, brilliant idea for this is a talkfest. 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:26.640 No new policies, no new laws, just another talkfest. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.160 I've asked the Treasurer Jim Chalmers to convene a round 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:35.200 table to support and shape our government's growth and productivity 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.840 agenda at Palmer House in August. We will bring together 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.160 a group of leaders from the business community, the union 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:43.760 movement and civil society. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.800 Oh wow, Now the government that should have already had 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.560 a plan to deal with this, because they've been in 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.680 charge for three years who just went and got another 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.280 three year contract extension, and given the size of their win, 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.800 it's most likely looking at six or nine years, still 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.159 does not have central ideas as to how they're going 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:09.280 to deal with a central problem. That means the last 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.320 three years are probably going to be indicative of the 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.560 next three years. And we all know how tough that 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.879 has been. We all know the tens of thousands of 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.400 dollars that people have had to find to pay off homes. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.480 The cost of those homes as well is something I'll 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.119 mentioned in a moment or two's time, but we've been 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.960 here before. You see, the Prime Minister thinks that he 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.440 has cracked the nut, and why wouldn't he. He's got 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.360 ninety something seats in the Parliament that basically will rerun 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.560 the first term because we know how well that resulted 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.879 in getting a second term. Because remember when one of 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.200 the first things this government did when it was brought 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.639 to power was the Job's Summit. This was when the 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.960 new broom was in town and everyone who wanted to 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.240 suck up to the Prime Minister, from the business tycoons 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.480 who were riding on the Prime Minister's private jet toto 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.720 one to fly from a shindig in Sydney to get 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.520 to Canberra. But the reality was this thing was stacked 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.760 with unions, like about a quarter of the room that 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.240 was discussing this was the union movement, despite the fact 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.000 that as I've told you before, union membership has gone 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.960 down dramatically down in anything but the public sector. But 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.879 the unions, because they of course are the muscle behind 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.920 the Labor Party, well they were not just invited into 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.760 the room, but as we remember, they kind of got 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.680 whatever they wanted because all of it was a charade. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:43.080 The decisions had already been made behind the scenes. And 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.679 why wouldn't we think the same about the next version 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.399 of the roundtable, because you see the politics of the 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:52.639 let's get everyone in the room to decide what the 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.240 policy should be is that firstly, if you're not in 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.280 the room, you're not important enough to government, which means 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.880 they either changed the lobbyist or the age their policies 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.080 to suck up even more to government, because remember what 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.960 is the triangle of dependency that they want to build. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.119 Of course that if you're a citizen, you want to 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:11.960 keep voting for the government because you've got your hand out. 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.439 If you are a worker, you want to stay inside 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:19.680 the government system because there are more jobs than ever before. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:21.760 And the third tranch, of course, is that if you 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.960 are in business, then of course there are biggest client 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.720 should be government, and you would never want to upset 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.679 a government that looks like he is sit around for 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:34.520 another three, six or maybe nine years. And why do 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:38.520 I think that that's probably what's going to happen. Why 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:40.960 do I spend so much time talking about this tonight, 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.080 And why do I tell you that it's the theater 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.960 of what's being done rather than what's actually being done 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.679 that is worth talking about here because Jim Chalmers has 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:58.639 already told us that he needs at least another three 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:02.200 years to deal with the question of productivity. You see, 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.200 he himself in and around the election period of time 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:10.240 said that he needed more than two terms to fix 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.520 the economy. So put simply, when it comes to productivity, 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.439 which feeds into things like interest rates, which is a 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:21.080 reflection of the sputtering growth at the headline level. But 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:27.760 in the reality of your family, you go backwards. They're 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:32.680 just playing games where they've already told us that, well, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.000 we don't have the ideas, so can you all come 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.160 in and help us with the ideas. But then didn't 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.000 you also say that you're going to need at least 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:43.520 three more years, potentially another election, where he will have 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.960 been the Treasurer for the best part of well easily 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:50.760 six seven years by this point in time. In the meantime, 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:56.280 people continue to suffer, And I know that the definition 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.000 of insanity is to do the same thing and expect 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:04.800 a different result. But I also know that there aren't 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:09.320 enough people in and around the media who call bs 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:14.320 on the distraction from the main game. The main game 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.399 is cost of living. It has been for the past 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:22.080 three it will be for the next three. Will the 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.080 government be able to change the subject at the next 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.880 election as they did at the last election, I don't know. 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:30.640 They certainly have such a margin and the Liberal Party 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.080 is so far behind, and the expectation is that they'll 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.560 just do it all again without the voice bit in 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:40.359 the middle. But in the meantime they get pay rise 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:42.639 after pay rise after pay rise at the last election, 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:47.840 three pay rises for federal MPs. Did you get one 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.840 at all in the past three years because they got 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.159