Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live as
Speaker 1: we go to where tonight there is a tragedy that
Speaker 1: is unfolding. In the past two hours. A gunman has
Speaker 1: entered a school in Austria, has opened fire and at
Speaker 1: least ten people are dead. The reports that we've received
Speaker 1: is that in the past couple of hours and it
Speaker 1: is now just gone one o'clock in the afternoon in
Speaker 1: this town Gratz in Austria that's in the southeast of
Speaker 1: the country, that in the past two hours news started
Speaker 1: to break that shots had been fired at a school.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it is a high school or
Speaker 1: a primary school. As soon as I know, i'll pass
Speaker 1: that information to you. We now understand that ten people
Speaker 1: have died. Seven of them are the school children, one
Speaker 1: adult who is at the school. The gunman is also
Speaker 1: dead and according to local media the government was a
Speaker 1: student or at least of student age. Again, I will
Speaker 1: wait to confirm what we know and what Austrian authorities know,
Speaker 1: as opposed to some of the rampant speculation that is
Speaker 1: rolling around on social media. I understand that the multiple
Speaker 1: shots started to be fired in at least two classrooms.
Speaker 1: There are at the moment a huge security response which
Speaker 1: obviously you can see in terms of the police. There
Speaker 1: are at least one hundred and fifty eight paramedics that
Speaker 1: are currently at the scene of this school shooting in
Speaker 1: the southeastern Austrian town of Gratz. The Austrian Chancellor has
Speaker 1: called it a national tragedy that has shaken our country
Speaker 1: and that news this evening is that at least ten
Speaker 1: people are dead. Seven are students, one is an adult,
Speaker 1: is the gunman, and I don't know at this stage
Speaker 1: whom the tenth person is, whether it is another adult
Speaker 1: or another student. Sadly, this is going to be flowing
Speaker 1: through the show this evening as the latest information comes
Speaker 1: to us, and of course when we hear more from
Speaker 1: our colleagues in the UK or the Austrian authorities, we
Speaker 1: will pass the information on. So as we start our
Speaker 1: discussion tonight, a horrible situation playing out on the other
Speaker 1: side of the world where it is still the middle
Speaker 1: of a school day, a school day where one school
Speaker 1: in the southeast of Austria has been the location of
Speaker 1: a mass shooting. Ten people dead, seven are the students,
Speaker 1: one adult the gunman, and one other person yet to
Speaker 1: be confirmed. As to what their age was. Again, when
Speaker 1: I know more, I will pass it on to you
Speaker 1: in the moments that will lead ahead in what is
Speaker 1: going to be a difficult hour. But of course we
Speaker 1: will continue on with the show as planned. In between
Speaker 1: the information that will be coming to us. There is
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on social media, including videos purporting
Speaker 1: to be shot in and around the school. We're not
Speaker 1: going to play those here at this stage. Again, particularly
Speaker 1: our colleagues in Europe are trying to verify those videos.
Speaker 1: If a decision is made by them to show part
Speaker 1: of it, we will make a separate editorial decision here
Speaker 1: as to whether it is played. So you may read
Speaker 1: more on the internet than I'm going to tell you
Speaker 1: in the next few minutes. But as always with these things,
Speaker 1: the tragedy is deep, profound and absolute, and adding anything
Speaker 1: more than what we know to be true is deeply
Speaker 1: unhelpful at this time. All right, let's turn our attention
Speaker 1: to the matters to do with Australian politics here this evening. Now,
Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory, a few weeks ago, there was
Speaker 1: a man who was confronted by police after he had
Speaker 1: confronted a security guard who had confronted him in the
Speaker 1: middle of shoplifting. Now, this story has been one that
Speaker 1: has echoed around the country and it is one that
Speaker 1: if you pay attention to Matt Cunningham and his reporting
Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory, none of this is news to you.
Speaker 1: If the only time you get to catch up with
Speaker 1: things is this time of night, this might be the
Speaker 1: first time that you were starting to hear about it.
Speaker 1: But here's the details of what we know to be
Speaker 1: the situation now.
Speaker 2: Police say he was observed in the Coles Supermarket in
Speaker 2: Alice Springs taking items from the shelves, putting them into
Speaker 2: his clothes when he was confronted by two security guards.
Speaker 2: At that point, police say there was an altercation where
Speaker 2: one of those security guards was assaulted. He was held
Speaker 2: on the ground for several minutes and lost consciousness. He
Speaker 2: was taken to the Alice Springs Hospital but later died.
Speaker 1: Now, the situation is one that has echoed aroun the country. Obviously,
Speaker 1: his family heartbroken as to what took place here and
Speaker 1: they demand more answers. And there seems to be a
Speaker 1: situation here where there are plenty of people who are
Speaker 1: marching in his memory or marching against potentially the actions
Speaker 1: of authorities. Now that has happened not just in and
Speaker 1: around Darwin, but as you can see there, that's people
Speaker 1: moving towards the police center from memory Sydney Police Center
Speaker 1: in Sydney. There's been lots of other examples around the country. Now, again,
Speaker 1: just as I said before when it came to the
Speaker 1: breaking news, nothing is helpful by speculating or trying to
Speaker 1: get ahead of what we know to be the case.
Speaker 1: All we know is that there was this confrontation and
Speaker 1: the man later died as a result of the confrontation.
Speaker 1: Now enter into this the Northern Territory Police who've made
Speaker 1: a decision that they are not going to have an
Speaker 1: independent investigation into what took place. Now, for those who
Speaker 1: are suspicious of the Northern Territory Police, I'm not one
Speaker 1: of those people, but for those that are, and there
Speaker 1: are a significant number, the idea that this would be
Speaker 1: investigated internally when potentially obviously there's a direct correlation between
Speaker 1: the incident with police and the man dying, that this
Speaker 1: is something that should be being dealt with outside of
Speaker 1: the system. But the acting Northern Territory Commissioner had this
Speaker 1: to say at the time which was I understand the
Speaker 1: high level of public interest in this matter. However, I
Speaker 1: respectfully reject the cause for an investigation to be handed
Speaker 1: by an external body. Now, for what it's worth, my
Speaker 1: view here is that something like this where potentially the
Speaker 1: obvious X factor here between the man walking into the
Speaker 1: shop and then the man and dying within hours of
Speaker 1: this situation, obviously needs to be investigated. I believe that
Speaker 1: probably an internal investigation is not appropriate, and there will
Speaker 1: be a form of an independent investigation, and that will
Speaker 1: be the coroner. The coroner will hold as they have
Speaker 1: in other situations, and open hearing where they will go
Speaker 1: on an investigation about who what and if there's things
Speaker 1: like body cam footage, all of that will happen. If
Speaker 1: there is to be some other investigation, I hope it
Speaker 1: is not internal to the Northern Territory Police Force. I
Speaker 1: have the coroner's work can begin as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: But if there's going to be a very significant gap,
Speaker 1: then pretty obviously people are going to have to start
Speaker 1: to see the footage of all of the incident. Okay,
Speaker 1: now it's going to be confronting and we'll see where
Speaker 1: it goes from there. But enter into the phray, somebody
Speaker 1: trying to whip things up to one hundred. Lydia Thorpe,
Speaker 1: she of course was welcome with opened arms. Today onto
Speaker 1: the aba. We see where she decided to rip into
Speaker 1: the Chief Minister Leofanukiaro, the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory,
Speaker 1: who has supported the decision of the police to keep
Speaker 1: this in house, while of course understanding that there is
Speaker 1: going to be the external inquiry. At a point of
Speaker 1: the coroner, Lydia Thorpe says that the Northern Territory Chief
Speaker 1: Minister is complicit in genocide because of deaths in custody.
Speaker 1: This is what an elected senator in the Australian Parliament
Speaker 1: says about the police force in the Northern Territory.
Speaker 3: There's no trust in the Northern Territory Police force. We
Speaker 3: know that they have systemic racism.
Speaker 1: She goes on, as I say, to be quite specific
Speaker 1: in her criticism and in my view, she's dialed up
Speaker 1: to eleven about the Chief Minister. Now, remember the Chief
Speaker 1: Minister is not involved in the confrontation between this indigenous
Speaker 1: man and the police in the Northern Territory. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't save her from the invective of the Senator.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that shows how how out of touch
Speaker 3: the Northern Territory Chief Minister is and that she is
Speaker 3: complicit in the ongoing genocide against our people.
Speaker 1: Seriously, I mean, think about the biggest possible words that
Speaker 1: you can use at this particular time when understandably and
Speaker 1: correctly tensions are incredibly high at the moment. Again, I
Speaker 1: want to know what happened. I want to know whom
Speaker 1: and what is responsible for this man's death. I want
Speaker 1: that to be investigated with as much sunlight as possible.
Speaker 1: And I know for an absolute fact that Matt Cunningham
Speaker 1: has talked about this day after day after day, because
Speaker 1: there seems to be that growing movement around greater transparency
Speaker 1: in and around what took place here. Okay, she appeared
Speaker 1: on Radio National this morning and the host of their
Speaker 1: breakfast show did push back ish, but have a listen
Speaker 1: to how the Senator just rolled and was no further
Speaker 1: challenged upon her claim of the Chief Minister in the
Speaker 1: Northern Territory being complicit in genocide. Federal surrevidence of them.
Speaker 3: Well, the definition of genocide, according to the Geneva Convention
Speaker 3: is causing harm to a group of people the ongoing
Speaker 3: killings of our people in custody is ongoing harm of
Speaker 3: our people.
Speaker 1: Now again, we we're talking about accidents, medical episodes, suicides.
Speaker 1: References to killings of people when they are in custody.
Speaker 1: Not the type of stuff that I believe to be helpful,
Speaker 1: either for the family or anyone else. But certainly also
Speaker 1: not helpful is the idea of this thing well being
Speaker 1: discussed behind closed doors, when for obvious reasons, it needs
Speaker 1: to be out in the open. Now to the politics
Speaker 1: of the day. You may will have noticed of the
Speaker 1: pastor a couple of weeks, I haven't been bashing into
Speaker 1: elbow the way that I normally would. Why because he's
Speaker 1: just been on a victory lap, and I don't think
Speaker 1: any of us want to see the rubbing in of
Speaker 1: the victory lap of the bloke who has as many
Speaker 1: seats in the parliament. Now we'll very close to as
Speaker 1: John Howard did after thumping keeping back in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: But today he was playing yet another home game the
Speaker 1: National Press Club, where, of course much of the media
Speaker 1: that did the work for him of not calling him
Speaker 1: out on his own lives, not calling him out on
Speaker 1: his own tactics, not calling him out on much of
Speaker 1: his online bullying behavior towards anyone running against him. Well,
Speaker 1: none of that, But there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: news that was made from all of it today and
Speaker 1: it centers around the concept of the average Australian who is,
Speaker 1: no matter how many of them we are, that we're
Speaker 1: going backwards. Right for the best part of two of
Speaker 1: the past three years, we've been in what's called per
Speaker 1: capita session. Put simply, it doesn't matter how many people
Speaker 1: are in the country, but many industries are going backwards.
Speaker 1: There are many signs of this when it comes to
Speaker 1: anything from mining all the way through to your small business.
Speaker 1: All of it's in trouble right now. And as I
Speaker 1: showed you last week, when it comes to the growth
Speaker 1: of the Australian economy, it is like a car that
Speaker 1: is sitting in idle and slightly rolling forward when it
Speaker 1: comes to the lights point one point two point three
Speaker 1: point six and then back to point two of one
Speaker 1: percent growth. Then the second number that you can see there,
Speaker 1: which is GDP per capita. That's when we start to
Speaker 1: talk about how the twenty seven million of us are
Speaker 1: faring as opposed to the economy going backwards in December,
Speaker 1: in March, in June ever so slightly forward by zero
Speaker 1: point one percent in December, and then in March we're
Speaker 1: going backwards again. This is what we refer to as
Speaker 1: the per capita recession. Now, of course I'm not an economist,
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to play one on television, but I
Speaker 1: know the economy certainly matters regardless of what people want
Speaker 1: to say when it comes to election results. But a
Speaker 1: person who is an economist can try to explain why
Speaker 1: the country ever so slightly sputtering along, but the average
Speaker 1: Australian going backwards is a bad thing, and how it works.
Speaker 4: And as you point out, given strong population growth of
Speaker 4: we're still running around one point seven percent. Population growth,
Speaker 4: not as strong as it was a year or two ago,
Speaker 4: is still pretty strong. That means per person, the economy
Speaker 4: is going backwards, and it's gone backwards for nine of
Speaker 4: the last eleven quarters at almost continuously, apart from two
Speaker 4: quarters over the last three years, the economy has gone
Speaker 4: backwards when measured on a per person basis.
Speaker 1: So, of course, as you know, the federal government bring
Speaker 1: in as many people as they possibly can more more,
Speaker 1: regardless of the fact there's not enough housing, regardless of
Speaker 1: the fact that the existing population, including people who were
Speaker 1: here as soon as last year or have been here
Speaker 1: for generations, that those people are suffering financial hardship. Now
Speaker 1: we would have thought that this would have played out
Speaker 1: at the election, it didn't, or people thought that they
Speaker 1: were completely fine with the government that was in place.
Speaker 1: But the reality is that the last three years are
Speaker 1: starting to give us an indication that the next three
Speaker 1: years are not going to be very different. This, of
Speaker 1: course was a point we made many many times in
Speaker 1: many many shows, and of course the Australian people made
Speaker 1: their choice for whatever reason. Well, and the more boys
Speaker 1: get it right. I'm not playing sour grapes. But the
Speaker 1: way that the economy has to grow is through a
Speaker 1: thing called productivity. And put simply, this bloke from the
Speaker 1: Reserve Bank will explain the concept of productivity to.
Speaker 5: So when we talk about productivity, we're talking about how
Speaker 5: much output we get relative to what we put in.
Speaker 5: So at an individual level, I increase my own productivity
Speaker 5: by making a shopping list before I go to the
Speaker 5: supermarket to make sure you don't forget anything and avoid
Speaker 5: multiple trips to the supermarket at the firm level productivity
Speaker 5: might be improved by implementing customer relationship management software streamline
Speaker 5: communications with clients to automate routine tasks.
Speaker 1: Now, I understand there's a very dry weekbooks that I'm
Speaker 1: drying to share with you right now, But believe me,
Speaker 1: there's a point, and it's about olbow. But you can
Speaker 1: see via this chart again from the Reserve Bank, about
Speaker 1: a straight is productivity that basically once we were all
Speaker 1: locked in our bedroom, so there was a big spike
Speaker 1: once we came out, but then straight right back down
Speaker 1: to the levels of say two thousand and sixteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: a little bit better but not anywhere near where we
Speaker 1: were in twenty nineteen, in twenty three, and then back
Speaker 1: down in twenty twenty four, and again, why does all
Speaker 1: of this matter? Again, the bloke from the Reserve Bank,
Speaker 1: who at the very least I will give him points
Speaker 1: for presentation, is trying to give a bit of energy
Speaker 1: to what can be a difficult discussion. But I promise
Speaker 1: I'm getting it a bit where I'll bash our bow
Speaker 1: in a second, but I just want to set the table.
Speaker 1: And yes, it's a very dry wheatbix if productivity increases.
Speaker 5: The economy can produce more goods and services from all
Speaker 5: the available economic inputs. So as such, productivity is a
Speaker 5: key driver of growth in the supply capacity of the economy,
Speaker 5: or as economist nerds call it, potential output.
Speaker 1: So we have been not going forward when it comes
Speaker 1: to productivity, which in part is one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why we are going backwards in terms of living standards.
Speaker 1: We remember we were back to the nineteen fifties in
Speaker 1: terms of living standards in the past three years before
Speaker 1: the election. But as you and I both know, the
Speaker 1: election was about Orange Man bad change the subject. Many
Speaker 1: care all the rest of it because if it was
Speaker 1: about this there probably would have been a different result.
Speaker 1: But again I am not looking I am just again
Speaker 1: setting the table. And this problem of productivity is something
Speaker 1: that a government is absolutely involved in trying to fix. Instead,
Speaker 1: this government has had us in reverse for way too long. Again,
Speaker 1: somebody who can explain it better than me, make canavan.
Speaker 6: Where is the government's plan to improve our productivity. Our
Speaker 6: productivity's fallen by five point three percent in the first
Speaker 6: three years of this government. They've never seen a reduction
Speaker 6: like that, and that is the reason interest rates are
Speaker 6: higher than they should have to be. It's the reason
Speaker 6: people's take home pay it doesn't seem to be going
Speaker 6: very far anymore. It's the reason you can't buy as
Speaker 6: much at the shops that you used to, or that
Speaker 6: when you do go and buy the things you want
Speaker 6: to buy, it's much much more expensive than it used
Speaker 6: to be.
Speaker 1: So we get it right. Productivity is a problem, the
Speaker 1: consequences of it. You've just heard explained, the reasons why
Speaker 1: we are going backward. You have also heard and what
Speaker 1: it means. Okay, so now let's pour some milk in
Speaker 1: a fair amount of sugar on that very dry wheat
Speaker 1: bix because today the Prime Minister was talking about productivity
Speaker 1: and his big, bold, brilliant idea for this is a talkfest.
Speaker 1: No new policies, no new laws, just another talkfest.
Speaker 7: I've asked the Treasurer Jim Chalmers to convene a round
Speaker 7: table to support and shape our government's growth and productivity
Speaker 7: agenda at Palmer House in August. We will bring together
Speaker 7: a group of leaders from the business community, the union
Speaker 7: movement and civil society.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Now the government that should have already had
Speaker 1: a plan to deal with this, because they've been in
Speaker 1: charge for three years who just went and got another
Speaker 1: three year contract extension, and given the size of their win,
Speaker 1: it's most likely looking at six or nine years, still
Speaker 1: does not have central ideas as to how they're going
Speaker 1: to deal with a central problem. That means the last
Speaker 1: three years are probably going to be indicative of the
Speaker 1: next three years. And we all know how tough that
Speaker 1: has been. We all know the tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars that people have had to find to pay off homes.
Speaker 1: The cost of those homes as well is something I'll
Speaker 1: mentioned in a moment or two's time, but we've been
Speaker 1: here before. You see, the Prime Minister thinks that he
Speaker 1: has cracked the nut, and why wouldn't he. He's got
Speaker 1: ninety something seats in the Parliament that basically will rerun
Speaker 1: the first term because we know how well that resulted
Speaker 1: in getting a second term. Because remember when one of
Speaker 1: the first things this government did when it was brought
Speaker 1: to power was the Job's Summit. This was when the
Speaker 1: new broom was in town and everyone who wanted to
Speaker 1: suck up to the Prime Minister, from the business tycoons
Speaker 1: who were riding on the Prime Minister's private jet toto
Speaker 1: one to fly from a shindig in Sydney to get
Speaker 1: to Canberra. But the reality was this thing was stacked
Speaker 1: with unions, like about a quarter of the room that
Speaker 1: was discussing this was the union movement, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that as I've told you before, union membership has gone
Speaker 1: down dramatically down in anything but the public sector. But
Speaker 1: the unions, because they of course are the muscle behind
Speaker 1: the Labor Party, well they were not just invited into
Speaker 1: the room, but as we remember, they kind of got
Speaker 1: whatever they wanted because all of it was a charade.
Speaker 1: The decisions had already been made behind the scenes. And
Speaker 1: why wouldn't we think the same about the next version
Speaker 1: of the roundtable, because you see the politics of the
Speaker 1: let's get everyone in the room to decide what the
Speaker 1: policy should be is that firstly, if you're not in
Speaker 1: the room, you're not important enough to government, which means
Speaker 1: they either changed the lobbyist or the age their policies
Speaker 1: to suck up even more to government, because remember what
Speaker 1: is the triangle of dependency that they want to build.
Speaker 1: Of course that if you're a citizen, you want to
Speaker 1: keep voting for the government because you've got your hand out.
Speaker 1: If you are a worker, you want to stay inside
Speaker 1: the government system because there are more jobs than ever before.
Speaker 1: And the third tranch, of course, is that if you
Speaker 1: are in business, then of course there are biggest client
Speaker 1: should be government, and you would never want to upset
Speaker 1: a government that looks like he is sit around for
Speaker 1: another three, six or maybe nine years. And why do
Speaker 1: I think that that's probably what's going to happen. Why
Speaker 1: do I spend so much time talking about this tonight,
Speaker 1: And why do I tell you that it's the theater
Speaker 1: of what's being done rather than what's actually being done
Speaker 1: that is worth talking about here because Jim Chalmers has
Speaker 1: already told us that he needs at least another three
Speaker 1: years to deal with the question of productivity. You see,
Speaker 1: he himself in and around the election period of time
Speaker 1: said that he needed more than two terms to fix
Speaker 1: the economy. So put simply, when it comes to productivity,
Speaker 1: which feeds into things like interest rates, which is a
Speaker 1: reflection of the sputtering growth at the headline level. But
Speaker 1: in the reality of your family, you go backwards. They're
Speaker 1: just playing games where they've already told us that, well,
Speaker 1: we don't have the ideas, so can you all come
Speaker 1: in and help us with the ideas. But then didn't
Speaker 1: you also say that you're going to need at least
Speaker 1: three more years, potentially another election, where he will have
Speaker 1: been the Treasurer for the best part of well easily
Speaker 1: six seven years by this point in time. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: people continue to suffer, And I know that the definition
Speaker 1: of insanity is to do the same thing and expect
Speaker 1: a different result. But I also know that there aren't
Speaker 1: enough people in and around the media who call bs
Speaker 1: on the distraction from the main game. The main game
Speaker 1: is cost of living. It has been for the past
Speaker 1: three it will be for the next three. Will the
Speaker 1: government be able to change the subject at the next
Speaker 1: election as they did at the last election, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They certainly have such a margin and the Liberal Party
Speaker 1: is so far behind, and the expectation is that they'll
Speaker 1: just do it all again without the voice bit in
Speaker 1: the middle. But in the meantime they get pay rise
Speaker 1: after pay rise after pay rise at the last election,
Speaker 1: three pay rises for federal MPs. Did you get one
Speaker 1: at all in the past three years because they got
Speaker 1: caught on the two seventy five. When it comes to
Speaker 1: power bills, there was no promise of such things into
Speaker 1: the next three years. So the minister stood up there
Speaker 1: today after being rehired for the job as the CEO
Speaker 1: of the country, only to say my big idea on
Speaker 1: the big problem that is causing major issues in almost
Speaker 1: every business and household in the country. More talking meaning
Speaker 1: your life does not change at all, which means the
Speaker 1: second election in a row they promise something they will
Speaker 1: not deliver. No giant surprise there, because you just have
Speaker 1: to keep paying the bills, pay your taxes. Shut up,
Speaker 1: don't rock the boat, don't tell anyone. You watch me
Speaker 1: each and every night, and they just keep on doing
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Now when it comes to houses, we
Speaker 1: learned today from the Bureau of Statistics about just how
Speaker 1: much money the collective property market in Australia is worth.
Speaker 1: Guess what, don't think I'm giving away the punchline, So
Speaker 1: let's not do that right now. But imagine this is
Speaker 1: it billions? Is a lots of billions? No, it's a trillions. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Australian property market is worth the best part of
Speaker 1: eleven and a half t for trillion dollars. As you
Speaker 1: can see, the overall value of Australian property. You can
Speaker 1: see here this starts in May in twenty twenty, So
Speaker 1: what five years ago it was seven and a half
Speaker 1: trillion dollars. The COVID boom, the population boom means, yes,
Speaker 1: the value of your home has gone through the roof,
Speaker 1: and a somebody who's trying to pay off a house
Speaker 1: the idea of it being worth more when it's time
Speaker 1: to sell. It's kind of one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: we all scrimp and save and work so hard to
Speaker 1: pay off our homes. But it's also a sign of
Speaker 1: how hard it is for the next generation to get involved.
Speaker 1: Because also the Bureau of Statistics puts out today that
Speaker 1: the average dwelling in Australia is now one million dollars
Speaker 1: in New South Welst. It's one point two million. In Queensland.
Speaker 1: It's nine hundred and forty four in the Act. It's
Speaker 1: nine hundred forty one thousand Northern Territory. Back with the
Speaker 1: lowest mean. We told you about this a few nights
Speaker 1: ago at five hundred and seventeen thousand dollars. Nothing to
Speaker 1: see here, Nothing to see here now, I want to
Speaker 1: jump forward to American politics, and particularly a person who
Speaker 1: told many lies on the behalf of Joe Biden. Her
Speaker 1: name Carrine Jean Pierre. She was the press secretary to
Speaker 1: the adult president, the president, of course, who they told
Speaker 1: us was nothing nothing to see here when it came
Speaker 1: to his own health. And she, of course was a
Speaker 1: historic figure because she was not just a woman of color,
Speaker 1: but so much more. And she was therefore the first
Speaker 1: person to take that role speaking on the behalf of
Speaker 1: the president. But she also told lots of lies on
Speaker 1: behalf of the president. You may remember the videos of
Speaker 1: him falling over, but she called them what was it?
Speaker 8: That was as I said, it was a cheap you know,
Speaker 8: a cheap fake.
Speaker 9: That was definitely a cheap.
Speaker 8: It was misinformation.
Speaker 9: Experts have been calling out chief fakes, and at the
Speaker 9: end of the day they're fakes.
Speaker 7: Several recent chief fects actually attack the president.
Speaker 1: Well, guess what one of the great Biden liars is
Speaker 1: now telling her story. We learn this week that she
Speaker 1: is going to have a book where she is no
Speaker 1: longer a Democrat. Instead she is now an independent. Listen
Speaker 1: to the press release of the garbage of the lady
Speaker 1: who you just heard tell lie after lie in an
Speaker 1: urgent timely analysis. Independent urges all Americans to vote their
Speaker 1: values and maintain individuality within party lines. She's the chief
Speaker 1: fake lady. She presents clear arguments and provocative evidence as
Speaker 1: an insider about the importance of dismantling the torrent of
Speaker 1: disinformation that she was part of and misinformation that's been
Speaker 1: rampant in recent elections, and provides a passionate insight into
Speaker 1: moving forward and a hard hitting yet hopeful critic. Jean
Speaker 1: Pierre defines what it means to be part of a
Speaker 1: growing percentage of our fraction electorate that is independent, and
Speaker 1: why it can be worthwhile to carve a political space
Speaker 1: more loyal to personal beliefs than a party affiliation, and
Speaker 1: what questions you need to ask yourself to determine where
Speaker 1: you fit politically. I bet that the newly formed independent
Speaker 1: version of the lifelong Democrat will never vote Republican, which
Speaker 1: means she's not independent, She's still a Democrat. Or in
Speaker 1: terms of what the current president would say about a
Speaker 1: former spokesperson lying as much as she did and that
Speaker 1: qualifying her for a book advance and the ability to
Speaker 1: wash her record of lies, well, what does he say again?
Speaker 1: The fake news media is truly fake news. You are
Speaker 1: fake news, all right, quick break? More plenty more to
Speaker 1: talk about, and you remember last night I spoke a
Speaker 1: lot about how wonderful a piece was that Nick Kata
Speaker 1: wrote about how those of us on the right, the
Speaker 1: center right, those of us who believe in the freedom
Speaker 1: that's worked for generations, we need to do more to
Speaker 1: reach to young people and meet them where they are.
Speaker 1: A positive conversation with a bloke with a much bigger
Speaker 1: brain than mine in a moment or two's time. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, plenty of debate between now and then. Thanks
Speaker 1: for watching us here the latest from Austria after the breakers, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching. Before we get on
Speaker 1: with what we were planning, I just want to send
Speaker 1: strength and love to a friend of this program, and
Speaker 1: it is none other than Pruka. She is the new
Speaker 1: South Wales Deputy Premier Education Minister, and you remember before
Speaker 1: they became the government, she was quite a frequent guest
Speaker 1: on our program. She's a great champion of Western Sydney.
Speaker 1: Well sadly we learned today that she's got another battle
Speaker 1: with cancer. She's had one with kidney before, but now
Speaker 1: it's breast cancer and Prue, I just want to say
Speaker 1: we love you strength and love and your beautiful boy Max,
Speaker 1: who loves you of course more than anyone in the
Speaker 1: entire world. We're just thinking of you in the battle ahead,
Speaker 1: and we send all of our strength see across the eye.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, just from person to person, from my
Speaker 1: family to yours, prow all the best done them and
Speaker 1: we look forward to talking to you very very soon. Now.
Speaker 1: As you can see bottom of the screen right now,
Speaker 1: at least nine people have died in a school shooting.
Speaker 1: This has happened in Austria tonight. The gunman is being
Speaker 1: reported by local media and that's just what I'm repeating
Speaker 1: here is as being a student, a school aged person.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it is primary school, high school,
Speaker 1: about further information there, but the gunman is one of
Speaker 1: those that are dead, one adult and seven students. Now
Speaker 1: other organizations are starting to suggest that there is a
Speaker 1: tenth victim when we're able to further confirm, and again
Speaker 1: there's some conflicting reports between very trusted organizations in the
Speaker 1: UK and Europe. Will pass it all on all right.
Speaker 1: In between all of that show is normal and we
Speaker 1: continue on with James Ashby, of course, one of the
Speaker 1: heroes of One Nation who are still basking in the
Speaker 1: glory of a spectacular election result. But as they double
Speaker 1: their numbers to four in the Senate, he's joining us. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, are you in Perth in Brizzi? Where are
Speaker 1: you tonight? Mate?
Speaker 10: I am Perth over here with Tyrone Whitten.
Speaker 11: Now you Senate elect you'll take his position on the
Speaker 11: first of July.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good bloke. It was a nice to
Speaker 1: have a chat do with my team. Even my mum
Speaker 1: was like, I really like that new One Nation because
Speaker 1: when there's more people like that in Parliament. So he's
Speaker 1: got mum all right. I can't vote for him in
Speaker 1: West Australia, but still, Mum, I'm passing on your praise
Speaker 1: and labor to a boot straps is none other than
Speaker 1: Linda Scott, who is here as always with us on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday night. So, Linda, you must have been excited today.
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister is freshly re higed with a new contract,
Speaker 1: you know, another twenty eight years as Prime minister, and
Speaker 1: his big idea for productivity was a talk fest. How inspire?
Speaker 8: I think that's not fair as you expect. Paul Murray.
Speaker 8: I know, and you and I are largely going to
Speaker 8: disagree on this.
Speaker 12: But he's already commissioned the Productivity Commission to do a review,
Speaker 12: so they've actually been working on that for a while.
Speaker 8: I do think it's good to have.
Speaker 12: A round able to bring together unions, business, other leaders
Speaker 12: in Australia. I was lucky enough to go to the
Speaker 12: Jobs and Skills Summer.
Speaker 8: Oh there were did you get?
Speaker 1: What did you get back.
Speaker 12: From te major economic changes that came out of it?
Speaker 1: A badge what they give you.
Speaker 12: The Women's Employment Task Force, headed up other than the
Speaker 12: wonderful Sam Moston, has significantly and materially increased the amount
Speaker 12: of women in jobs in Australia and that has improved
Speaker 12: our economic productivity.
Speaker 8: So you know, Paul, every now and again.
Speaker 12: It is a good idea to get Australian's left right,
Speaker 12: big business, small business, unions, other stakeholders together to have
Speaker 12: a chat and come to some good policy ideas that
Speaker 12: the government can work. My guesses, because I want to
Speaker 12: say this, Governments are good, but they need to work
Speaker 12: with businesses and union.
Speaker 1: Correct every triangle of dependence.
Speaker 8: You know, I think it's about idea to have a
Speaker 8: round table.
Speaker 12: It's not the only thing the government's doing on productivity,
Speaker 12: but I think it's a good thing, and we need
Speaker 12: to get more innovation, get more companies, you know, do something.
Speaker 1: James hasn't, the Treasurer already told us, I can't do
Speaker 1: that this term. I've got to be re elected. We've
Speaker 1: got to be re elected again by that point in time.
Speaker 1: You know. Look, I mean, you know, remember our old
Speaker 1: nasty Niki Sava saying that regardless of the election result,
Speaker 1: Alba had to get out of the way. Notice she
Speaker 1: hasn't got back to that, because of course the plan
Speaker 1: was eventually we're on our way to charmers or Annika
Speaker 1: Wells or someone over a little wilder than old made albow.
Speaker 1: But here we go another talk fest. This is an
Speaker 1: exact cut and copy of the first term, and they're
Speaker 1: basically going to do that with the exception of the
Speaker 1: voice and a referendum in the middle, and we're just
Speaker 1: going to get more of the same. And the people
Speaker 1: who will be understandably raging about cost of living in
Speaker 1: a year's time, many of whom are the ones who
Speaker 1: re elected this mob who've been doing the damage.
Speaker 11: Yeah, become on Paul he's got a mandate to have
Speaker 11: these roundtable conversations. They don't lead to much though, you know,
Speaker 11: you end up with a pile of paperwork that's hardly
Speaker 11: worth reading. It's the same as the last report that
Speaker 11: was done. And what happens in the long run, it's
Speaker 11: all ignored and people continue living in hardship. And that's
Speaker 11: the biggest problem that we've got here. You know, constantly
Speaker 11: hear about this conversation about productivity, and yet no one
Speaker 11: is calling out the facts that we're not going to
Speaker 11: meet these targets that have been set by this government.
Speaker 11: They haven't reached the target of bringing down power costs,
Speaker 11: they haven't reached the target of being able to house
Speaker 11: those homeless, and those are still seeking cheaper accommodation across
Speaker 11: the country. You know what's really interesting today, Paul, and
Speaker 11: I'm so refreshed by the idea we're getting Toyren Whitten
Speaker 11: into our Senate.
Speaker 1: You know, here's a.
Speaker 11: Bloke that's got an enormous amount of experience when it
Speaker 11: comes to developments and building and construction some of the
Speaker 11: biggest projects across the country, mining and also hydro schemes.
Speaker 10: But one of his things.
Speaker 11: That he pointed out to me today, is we're still
Speaker 11: building houses that are the non productive way. I'm sure
Speaker 11: I don't want to see a change to the way in.
Speaker 10: Which the quality of house that's built.
Speaker 11: But there are different newer techniques available like batching pads,
Speaker 11: where you know, there's all this automated tilt slabs that
Speaker 11: can be laid and put up, and we can actually
Speaker 11: achieve with new technology greater productivity that builds houses quicker,
Speaker 11: provides the accommodation to the you know, those people out
Speaker 11: there that are still living in cars and living in
Speaker 11: tents or living on the street, and yet no one
Speaker 11: has spoken about this. So I can't wait for that
Speaker 11: new fresh blood to come into the Senate and actually
Speaker 11: raise these things on the floor of Parliament and actually
Speaker 11: get some real productivity and changes moving within that parliament.
Speaker 1: Well, in relation to housing, the Housing Minister who definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't so definitely was not sacked to some Home Affairs minister.
Speaker 1: Remember that she's just a good performer, she's saying, and
Speaker 1: I love this here right because she's saying she's not
Speaker 1: a yimbi, which means yes, in my backyard, build everything everywhere.
Speaker 1: But she's out and about saying that it's, among other
Speaker 1: empty words, it's time to roll our sleeves up.
Speaker 13: What she's saying today, for the first time since the
Speaker 13: post war period, our government is rolling up at sleeves
Speaker 13: and actually getting on with the job of funding and
Speaker 13: building homes with our states and territories in local government.
Speaker 13: What's going to be required is three years of serious
Speaker 13: reform with the states and territories in local government.
Speaker 8: We're up for that, and we know they are too.
Speaker 1: Linda can I as a quick question and then take it veramiable.
Speaker 1: When they talk about funding homes, they're talking about building
Speaker 1: social housing, right, and that's a good thing because there's
Speaker 1: tens of thousands, in fact, close to a couple hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people who want to go into those things. But
Speaker 1: they're not talking about funding low cost units in suburbs
Speaker 1: for people to be able to move in and renting to.
Speaker 12: It's a great question that, of course, former Labor government
Speaker 12: put forwardians of dollars for social housing. They gave that
Speaker 12: to the states. The states are getting underway.
Speaker 8: But as part of the.
Speaker 12: Housing Accords signed by all three levels of government, I
Speaker 12: found it on behalf of local governments there are housing targets,
Speaker 12: and there are also ways to bring together private capital
Speaker 12: like superannuation to invest in housing for the market, or
Speaker 12: for people for rent, or for a range of other purposes. Again,
Speaker 12: we need more housing. This is so critical for Australia's future.
Speaker 12: We've got states like here in New South Wales where
Speaker 12: the number of young people is precipitously declining. Like it
Speaker 12: is so important that we provide enough housing to get
Speaker 12: it to a more affordable point. But you can't do
Speaker 12: that with government alone, Paul. And what is so disappointing
Speaker 12: is to hear things like James was just saying about
Speaker 12: the fact that actually, James, you're just ignoring.
Speaker 8: All this work that's been done. There's been work to
Speaker 8: the building standards at the state level. There's been so.
Speaker 12: Much work innovative technologies. No I'm not saying that either,
Speaker 12: but there's been work to harmonize the building standard across
Speaker 12: the country, done by former Minister Ed Husick. There's been
Speaker 12: worked by all the state and territory governments, Labor and
Speaker 12: Liberal to partner.
Speaker 10: But it's done, but it's not producing anything.
Speaker 8: Well it is.
Speaker 10: You've got so much talk going on you.
Speaker 8: When it comes to housing fabricated housing. That is just
Speaker 8: absolutely untrue. And if your.
Speaker 11: Friends five to fifteen years before it, it's destroyed, if.
Speaker 12: Government waste of technology for buildings, he should have run
Speaker 12: for the Western Australian State Parliament because that's where the
Speaker 12: majority of those decisions are made, James. So it's just
Speaker 12: so you're saying that the decisions general level good work,
Speaker 12: Labor government.
Speaker 1: Trying to make it a national issue. He's the one
Speaker 1: front and center.
Speaker 11: Of COSGE, James, and it needs to be front and
Speaker 11: center of the national agenda because clearly the states aren't
Speaker 11: doing the job that's required. So don't give me this
Speaker 11: BS and try and shut down good people trying to
Speaker 11: come up with solutions to try and build homes for
Speaker 11: those people homeless. The reality is you lied to the
Speaker 11: people of this country by saying you could build one
Speaker 11: point two million.
Speaker 10: Properties in five years. That's just utter bs. It's a lie.
Speaker 8: I don't know a lie, but these houses.
Speaker 11: Are being because you're going to fall at least two
Speaker 11: hundred thousand homes short of what you've projected. And that's
Speaker 11: a lie that hasn't just been told by Labor, It's
Speaker 11: been told by the Coalition during the election period, and
Speaker 11: you've been.
Speaker 10: Caught out for it, but you will never admit it.
Speaker 11: Instead, you just keep blowing this hot air up people's backside.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, with that beautiful image and a lot of
Speaker 1: breaking news and a lot of stuff around, including a
Speaker 1: very long conversation about productivity. But I stand by it.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes Droy wheatbeks not as tasty but important
Speaker 1: for the fiber. Thank you, guys, do appreciate it. We'll
Speaker 1: talk you again next week and again James the city
Speaker 1: of the details of that great place to go and
Speaker 1: see dumplings just across the road from the Skony studio
Speaker 1: there in Perth or right, quick break back with more
Speaker 1: Nick Cator. There's a spectacular article that he wrote and
Speaker 1: we talked about last night, which is about how do
Speaker 1: we reach out beyond the generations to tell them there's
Speaker 1: a different way of doing things and just government taking
Speaker 1: responsibility for everything and all your choices off the table.
Speaker 1: I want to see it would be a good chair now.
Speaker 1: I was inspired by something over the past few days
Speaker 1: while I had a couple of days off from work,
Speaker 1: and it was the writings of our next guest, the
Speaker 1: wonderful Nick Cata, Senior fellow at the means He's research center.
Speaker 1: But of course a man who's been in and around
Speaker 1: the Australian newspaper and the Scotty has family for a
Speaker 1: long time. And I want to get you in the
Speaker 1: room to have the conversation off the article that you
Speaker 1: wrote and the quick summation of it was that you
Speaker 1: were talking about how and you did this beautifully where
Speaker 1: you framed there's this new senator coming in from South Australia,
Speaker 1: she's twenty three, twenty one, twenty one. And then Bob Catter,
Speaker 1: who's going to be the oldest member of the Parliament.
Speaker 9: What's one hundred born in nineteen forty five, right, and the.
Speaker 1: Golf of the countries that they grew up in that
Speaker 1: there's an absolute vast difference that we've been managing the
Speaker 1: decline for such a long period of time, so that
Speaker 1: the world view of a young person that ends up
Speaker 1: being an older person like Bob Catter or a young
Speaker 1: person like this senator. So is that a fair start
Speaker 1: to the conversation. So where to and how do those
Speaker 1: of us on the center right have to start saying,
Speaker 1: not take for granted how the system should work, but
Speaker 1: actually show younger people the examples of how it can
Speaker 1: work better.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, you know, the young people are always saying
Speaker 9: you baby boomers had it easy.
Speaker 1: Look and in a sense we did.
Speaker 9: I mean, Bob Catter grew up in the sixties. He
Speaker 9: went first job in the sixties. When he first started work,
Speaker 9: we had growth rates of five, six, sometimes seven percent
Speaker 9: a year. Wow, And we had productivity growing and everything
Speaker 9: was looking fantastic. Opportunities were opening up. Now we have
Speaker 9: to stand up for generations. Ed easy to knock them
Speaker 9: and their TikTok videos and all that, but we're not
Speaker 9: going to do that to stand up for them. They're
Speaker 9: growing up at a time when Treasury says the growth
Speaker 9: is going to be two percent for the next forty years.
Speaker 9: That's two thirds of what it's been for the last thirty.
Speaker 9: So we're telling them you're going to grow up in
Speaker 9: much harder times than we did. You're going to have
Speaker 9: fewer opportunities than we did.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 9: I think that's the kind of defeatist attitude. I think
Speaker 9: we've got to save the World's your oyster. Take it away.
Speaker 9: You've got all the opportunities in life. Don't take it
Speaker 9: as of what Treasury is saying, this country can be
Speaker 9: great again if you just throw yourselves into it.
Speaker 1: But have we slowly but surely boxed in younger generations
Speaker 1: to a certain way of thinking because of the overreach
Speaker 1: of the state. Not to mention the education systems, but
Speaker 1: in many ways, you know, young people are always left right.
Speaker 1: But it's this reliance and demand that government solves every
Speaker 1: single problem. And you make again this great point that
Speaker 1: you know, this twenty one year old you may well
Speaker 1: have been finishing school when we were telling people they
Speaker 1: couldn't go to school because of COVID. COVID was a
Speaker 1: big part of their lives. Yes, it's about a tenth.
Speaker 9: Of your life if you were twenty class it's about
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But that's the point.
Speaker 9: You know, we've had this helicopter parenting idea, which is real. Right,
Speaker 9: parents are much more keeping an eye on their kids
Speaker 9: the whole time. We've now got the helicopter government which
Speaker 9: tells us everything we can and cannot do, regulates everything.
Speaker 9: And I think people have grown up in that era
Speaker 9: in this century. They come to think that's normal instead
Speaker 9: of as we did, well, we're just going to give
Speaker 9: it a go. You know, the world's your oyster. Your
Speaker 9: life is only as good as you're going to make it.
Speaker 9: I don't think they have the same attitude today.
Speaker 1: So how do we? Because again I'm committed to this
Speaker 1: idea of just like everyone else can do the generation wars,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it right because very obviously
Speaker 1: right demographically, you know, these groups are around longer than others,
Speaker 1: and we want to make sure that a country is
Speaker 1: able to have as many positive days as possible. But
Speaker 1: it does feel like it is too easy just to
Speaker 1: write off a generation because of its taste in music, hairstyles,
Speaker 1: all of that old people's stuff, right, And by that
Speaker 1: I just mean old attitudes, right, not about particular ages.
Speaker 1: So I understand that this message is important, But is
Speaker 1: this message best heard by people of a similar age,
Speaker 1: because pretty obviously you and I are not going to
Speaker 1: cut it with being able to perhaps connect with a
Speaker 1: twenty three year old as best as we used to.
Speaker 9: Well, to be honest, it was a not so subtle
Speaker 9: message for the Liberal Party, Yeah, because the way they're
Speaker 9: going to revive themselves is to come back to what
Speaker 9: Robert Benzi's talking about, what John Howard talked about, which
Speaker 9: is aspiration. It's about saying we're going to get government
Speaker 9: off your backs and we're going to reduce regulations, we're
Speaker 9: going to reduce taxes, we're going to give you every
Speaker 9: opportunity to get on in life. I think that's what
Speaker 9: the Liberal Party should be doing. It's this message of hope.
Speaker 9: It's a message that next year can be better than
Speaker 9: this year, that you can do better than your parents. Yes,
Speaker 9: we just took that as normal that we were going
Speaker 9: to be better off than our parents. As our parents
Speaker 9: took it that was normal that they'll be better off
Speaker 9: than their But honestly, with the way Treasury is forecasting
Speaker 9: the economy, I'm not at all confident that my children
Speaker 9: are going to finish up better than I did.
Speaker 1: Sadly the same right, which is that look, you know,
Speaker 1: technologies mean that they're going to no more than perhaps
Speaker 1: I did at certain ages. But if their relationship to
Speaker 1: government every budget is what's in it for me? What's
Speaker 1: the handout? Every election? I mean literally, you think about it, right,
Speaker 1: every election is just about how much can you spend
Speaker 1: in order to cleave off a particular demographic. Then that's
Speaker 1: going to I don't want to live in that place, No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get there.
Speaker 9: No, no, exactly, but they're in that space. So sending
Speaker 9: an elect walker from South Australia who turned twenty one
Speaker 9: on on the election day. As it happens, she's going
Speaker 9: to be in the Senate, big supporter of Elbow's plan
Speaker 9: to take money off student debts. It's going to save
Speaker 9: them five and a half thousand, she said, five and a
Speaker 9: half thousand makes the difference between eating and not eating. Well,
Speaker 9: I think that's rubbish. I mean you and I know
Speaker 9: that's rubbish. But that's the line we're entitled to it.
Speaker 9: No thought about well, if we take this money, who
Speaker 9: pays that tax? Who pays that tax? That it gets
Speaker 9: paid by working people. Mums are working and shopping centers,
Speaker 9: dads who are tradees. They're paying for these students who
Speaker 9: have a very good chances in life.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the chat mate, it's brilliant. The article
Speaker 1: it's up on my Facebook page. Awesome and loved again.
Speaker 1: Good on your Niketa there in the man Cave. All right,
Speaker 1: quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live,
Speaker 1: including some more breaking news out of Tasmania. Honestly, now
Speaker 1: the most exciting politics talk at the moment is coming
Speaker 1: out of Tasmania because as you know, there was the
Speaker 1: no confidence motion. The Premier well he's still the leader
Speaker 1: of the Liberal Party and thus went off to the
Speaker 1: Governor General tonight to say, all right, bugger this, I
Speaker 1: want to have an election. We spoke with ascelon aspen
Speaker 1: Blomfield a bit earlier tonight about what happened next, which
Speaker 1: is wild Paul.
Speaker 14: All options remain on the table. Tasmania Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe
Speaker 14: has returned to Government House, just fifteen months after his
Speaker 14: previous trip, following a vote of no confidence in State Parliament.
Speaker 14: Mister Rockcliffe was in and out in forty five minutes,
Speaker 14: refusing to front reporters like he did last week.
Speaker 1: We then received a.
Speaker 14: Statement from Governor Barbara Baker following their conversation, Her Excellency
Speaker 14: is now taking the time necessary to give due consideration
Speaker 14: to all available options. By the end of the week,
Speaker 14: the Premier will meet with her Excellency again. Further statements
Speaker 14: will be made in due course. Now the Governor might
Speaker 14: accept the Premier's request for an early election, sending Tasmanians
Speaker 14: back to the poll for the fourth time in seven years.
Speaker 14: She may send him back to the party room, asking
Speaker 14: Liberals to find another leader who can command the confidence
Speaker 14: of Parliament, or she could ask opposition leader Dean Winter
Speaker 14: to form a minority government with the Greens. Mister Winter has.
Speaker 1: Repeatedly ruled that out.
Speaker 14: It follows a dramatic week in state politics, which saw
Speaker 14: three independents and the Greens side with the opposition leader,
Speaker 14: the Labor speaker resign, multiple politicians write letters to the AFL,
Speaker 14: and a typo in emergency budget bills which could have
Speaker 14: left public servants empty handed. There's plenty of questions left unanswered,
Speaker 14: but one thing is for certain. The drama won't end
Speaker 14: anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Espin How rock and roll is this? Okay?
Speaker 1: The bloke who's got the largest number of seats loses
Speaker 1: the no confidence motion. The Labor Party kind of got
Speaker 1: what it wanted, which was to destabilize, but aren't able
Speaker 1: to form any sort of a coalition to be able
Speaker 1: to basically take over government without an election. The governor says,
Speaker 1: I'll get back to you by the end of the week.
Speaker 1: Obviously some sort of a pressure tactic to maybe change
Speaker 1: the Liberal leader. Who knows, but Tazzi, politics is rock
Speaker 1: and roll and I'm going to talk about it every
Speaker 1: chance I get, and do some shows there because I
Speaker 1: love being there, especially in winter.