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Speaker 1: myself down mountains all day long. The noise in my

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Speaker 1: Thanks for this. I'll be back here on Wednesday if

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Speaker 1: you need me. If you've got any thoughts, I'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear them. Send he to email at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Jump on the substack. I'd really appreciate it. That's another

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Speaker 1: way to get in touch with me. Do not mess

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Speaker 1: about with those story Club tickets May eleventh, Comedy Store,

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Speaker 1: Sydney story Club Live dot com. Thanks to Joe Call

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Speaker 1: who made the videos. Thanks to Adam Buncher who produces

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Speaker 1: episode I'll see you here on Wednesday,