1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:12,921 Speaker 1: Approache Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am 2 00:00:13,001 --> 00:00:15,281 Speaker 1: Neil the muscle comments and. 3 00:00:15,281 --> 00:00:18,561 Speaker 2: In this episode, I speak with Tony, the national president 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,681 Speaker 2: of the Bandidos motorcycle Club. 5 00:00:21,241 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Well, I never came to start it to make a 6 00:00:22,721 --> 00:00:24,681 Speaker 1: name for myself, you know, there was never my intention. 7 00:00:24,801 --> 00:00:27,841 Speaker 1: But your respect follows you wherever you go. It walks 8 00:00:27,841 --> 00:00:29,801 Speaker 1: in the room before you do, it stays after your lead. 9 00:00:30,601 --> 00:00:32,641 Speaker 1: People are so used that they're like sheep. They just 10 00:00:32,681 --> 00:00:35,241 Speaker 1: follow without saying nothing. A lot of people are. There's 11 00:00:35,281 --> 00:00:37,001 Speaker 1: not many wolves. You know what the wolves said. The 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: wolf doesn't give us what the sheep think. When I 13 00:00:40,601 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: got elected, I went to jump on my bike and 14 00:00:42,521 --> 00:00:45,321 Speaker 1: I got a phone call. It was wrapped up. They 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: already knew that. They already knew. I don't know how 16 00:00:47,801 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: whether fans are bugged or not. And they said, I 17 00:00:50,561 --> 00:00:52,681 Speaker 1: heard you the new boss. I said, what do you 18 00:00:52,681 --> 00:00:53,641 Speaker 1: hear that problem? Hang on. 19 00:00:57,601 --> 00:01:01,001 Speaker 2: Beat Tony, Hey, brother, thank you for coming on the show. 20 00:01:01,161 --> 00:01:05,241 Speaker 2: I really appreciate this. This is a massive mass of 21 00:01:05,281 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: deal for me to have someone of your stature come 22 00:01:07,881 --> 00:01:11,721 Speaker 2: on my podcast. I really appreciate you coming on. The 23 00:01:11,761 --> 00:01:14,641 Speaker 2: one thing I want to ask before we get going 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,961 Speaker 2: is why me. 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: Well, I've done a lot of research. Brother, Like I said, 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't just sit down with anyone. You know, you're 27 00:01:22,241 --> 00:01:24,121 Speaker 1: off the street, not out of the office. This is 28 00:01:24,121 --> 00:01:26,241 Speaker 1: while we're here. You know, you got the credibility already. 29 00:01:26,801 --> 00:01:29,041 Speaker 2: I appreciate that though, But as I said, this is 30 00:01:29,801 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: this is about you and your life. 31 00:01:31,881 --> 00:01:34,081 Speaker 1: And also we'll get into your new book too. 32 00:01:34,801 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: Before we get into with nitty gritty about you as 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: who you are, I'd like to get to know you 34 00:01:39,041 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: as a person. 35 00:01:40,241 --> 00:01:42,561 Speaker 1: So, you know, growing up back in New Zealand, if 36 00:01:42,601 --> 00:01:44,521 Speaker 1: you were a tearaway teenager, or if you were you know, 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,361 Speaker 1: well behaved boy. 38 00:01:45,521 --> 00:01:47,521 Speaker 2: Let take it away, man, tell me about you growing 39 00:01:47,561 --> 00:01:48,921 Speaker 2: up in New Zealand. When I was growing up in 40 00:01:48,921 --> 00:01:50,041 Speaker 2: New Zealand, I was a tear away. 41 00:01:50,081 --> 00:01:52,001 Speaker 1: There was no social media back then, you know, so 42 00:01:52,001 --> 00:01:53,921 Speaker 1: I lived on the streets, you know, and I was 43 00:01:53,921 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: hanging out with the guys who were about three or four 44 00:01:55,601 --> 00:01:57,801 Speaker 1: years older than me, so I sort of advanced in 45 00:01:57,841 --> 00:02:01,121 Speaker 1: my age. You know. We're a close knit family at 46 00:02:01,161 --> 00:02:04,081 Speaker 1: the time. It would come from a religious family. My 47 00:02:04,201 --> 00:02:07,681 Speaker 1: mum's about Christian so I always knew I had saw 48 00:02:07,761 --> 00:02:11,081 Speaker 1: one foot in one foot out. Brothers and sisters, one brother, 49 00:02:11,121 --> 00:02:14,041 Speaker 1: one sister. How was how was schooling for you? For 50 00:02:14,081 --> 00:02:16,241 Speaker 1: you guys, or was there any schooling? There was schooling, 51 00:02:16,281 --> 00:02:17,481 Speaker 1: But I kicked out when I was fourting. 52 00:02:17,641 --> 00:02:20,641 Speaker 2: Wow, tell me about like as a kid on the streets. 53 00:02:21,041 --> 00:02:23,201 Speaker 2: Was it was it hard to grow up and find 54 00:02:23,281 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: jobs and all like that? 55 00:02:24,401 --> 00:02:26,921 Speaker 1: Now I had a job my whole life. I've always worked. 56 00:02:27,321 --> 00:02:29,481 Speaker 1: I started working when I was about fourteen, worked in 57 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: the bush. Whatever I did in my life, I had 58 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,921 Speaker 1: a good name, a good reputation because I worked hard. 59 00:02:35,041 --> 00:02:38,161 Speaker 1: What made you want to leave New Zealand? 60 00:02:38,161 --> 00:02:40,401 Speaker 2: Because I've looked at you, as I said, we'll go 61 00:02:40,441 --> 00:02:42,401 Speaker 2: into the book later, but I looked at your books 62 00:02:42,401 --> 00:02:43,441 Speaker 2: and you left New Zealand. 63 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,841 Speaker 1: What was the reason behind that? Because I basically burned 64 00:02:45,841 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: on my bridges. I was married, I got divorced and 65 00:02:48,281 --> 00:02:50,401 Speaker 1: everything else, and I was going down that path. If 66 00:02:50,441 --> 00:02:52,401 Speaker 1: I didn't lead coming sut in your life, I would 67 00:02:52,401 --> 00:02:54,641 Speaker 1: have been in jail everywhere. Wow, Because I was out 68 00:02:54,841 --> 00:02:58,321 Speaker 1: on the purse, violin, you know, fighting doing whatever. Was 69 00:02:58,361 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: that because of the way of life that it went 70 00:03:00,121 --> 00:03:03,081 Speaker 1: down that way? Very much, very much? Say, yeah, was 71 00:03:03,121 --> 00:03:06,641 Speaker 1: your father stringing My father was alcoholic, but he was 72 00:03:06,641 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: a fighter. He was always out on the piss. He 73 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,081 Speaker 1: was a provider, but he was out and put something. 74 00:03:11,081 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: I sort of followed in his footstep. I also seen 75 00:03:13,841 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: that you also did the a bit of doorway. Yeah, 76 00:03:17,161 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: how was that? Door work? Was easy? I actually got 77 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:24,441 Speaker 1: I got when I was younger. I'll go kicked out 78 00:03:24,481 --> 00:03:26,361 Speaker 1: every pub there was, but they didn't stop it from 79 00:03:26,401 --> 00:03:28,921 Speaker 1: getting in. And he's sort of more or less give 80 00:03:28,921 --> 00:03:31,881 Speaker 1: me the contract. Wow. I wasn't even old enough. But 81 00:03:31,921 --> 00:03:35,561 Speaker 1: back then you didn't need a license. Wow, okay, you're 82 00:03:35,601 --> 00:03:36,721 Speaker 1: leave in New Zealand. Yea. 83 00:03:37,361 --> 00:03:40,481 Speaker 2: When did you know in your life that you wanted 84 00:03:40,521 --> 00:03:42,841 Speaker 2: to be part of a motorcycle club? 85 00:03:43,761 --> 00:03:45,801 Speaker 1: Well, my whole life, there's always been a passion for 86 00:03:45,881 --> 00:03:48,641 Speaker 1: me because where I grew up in New Zealand, there 87 00:03:48,681 --> 00:03:50,161 Speaker 1: was a lot of bike clubs and all that stuff. 88 00:03:50,201 --> 00:03:52,681 Speaker 1: So there was around and when I was younger, we 89 00:03:52,761 --> 00:03:54,401 Speaker 1: used to go down on that pushbikes and watch them. 90 00:03:54,521 --> 00:03:54,681 Speaker 2: Yeah. 91 00:03:54,961 --> 00:03:57,361 Speaker 1: So you know, did you pretend to be like part 92 00:03:57,401 --> 00:04:04,041 Speaker 1: of a club, not just me, everyone around me? Grown up? Yeah? 93 00:04:04,121 --> 00:04:07,241 Speaker 2: Wow? When you can Australia, how long before you made 94 00:04:07,481 --> 00:04:08,601 Speaker 2: your name for yourself there? 95 00:04:08,641 --> 00:04:10,801 Speaker 1: Do you think. Well, I never came to started to 96 00:04:10,801 --> 00:04:12,481 Speaker 1: make a name for myself, you know, there was never 97 00:04:12,521 --> 00:04:15,881 Speaker 1: my intention. But your respect follows you wherever you go, 98 00:04:16,361 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: walks in the room before you do it, stays after 99 00:04:18,201 --> 00:04:20,401 Speaker 1: you leave, you know. And now I got a reputation 100 00:04:20,601 --> 00:04:23,601 Speaker 1: for not doing shit goes just from being myself. Was 101 00:04:23,601 --> 00:04:25,721 Speaker 1: there a challenge coming to here? It was? It was, 102 00:04:25,761 --> 00:04:27,401 Speaker 1: it was, you know, I had to sort of settle down. 103 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,881 Speaker 1: I was running the market for a bit, you know, 104 00:04:28,961 --> 00:04:31,041 Speaker 1: until I realized I couldn't keep doing this as I 105 00:04:31,081 --> 00:04:32,601 Speaker 1: was doing exactly the same thing I was doing in 106 00:04:32,601 --> 00:04:35,841 Speaker 1: New Zealand. Until I settled down. But like I said before, 107 00:04:35,841 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: I've always worked. I've had a good reputation for working. 108 00:04:38,281 --> 00:04:40,241 Speaker 1: When you came here, did you come by yourself or 109 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,841 Speaker 1: was it willman on your own? Yeah? 110 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,361 Speaker 2: Wow, that was a big stapy. Was that hard to 111 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,361 Speaker 2: leave your family? It was very hard, very odd because 112 00:04:47,361 --> 00:04:48,241 Speaker 2: I had two young girls. 113 00:04:48,721 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: Wow. But it was my mother. She gave me the advice. 114 00:04:50,721 --> 00:04:52,601 Speaker 1: She said to me, something you better, she more or 115 00:04:52,641 --> 00:04:56,441 Speaker 1: less told me. So I left the otherwise I would 116 00:04:56,521 --> 00:05:02,641 Speaker 1: end up in jail. You landed yourself in jail. Actually, Yeah, 117 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,081 Speaker 1: when you came here. How was that for you? That 118 00:05:06,281 --> 00:05:08,161 Speaker 1: was hard? That was very hard because, like like I 119 00:05:08,201 --> 00:05:10,361 Speaker 1: said before, I had one foot in one foot I'd 120 00:05:10,361 --> 00:05:13,001 Speaker 1: say I had already stopped what I was doing. Yeah, 121 00:05:13,081 --> 00:05:14,801 Speaker 1: but then I had this over the back of my 122 00:05:14,841 --> 00:05:16,281 Speaker 1: head and I always thought I was going to catch 123 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: up with me there and when it didn't and I 124 00:05:18,361 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: did the time. 125 00:05:19,481 --> 00:05:22,081 Speaker 2: Explain your experience as you walked in for the first 126 00:05:22,081 --> 00:05:22,721 Speaker 2: time into jail. 127 00:05:22,761 --> 00:05:26,801 Speaker 1: Was that hard for you? Jale's not hard. It's who 128 00:05:26,801 --> 00:05:29,401 Speaker 1: you leave behind. Yeah, you know that was not too 129 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,041 Speaker 1: nat because I knew most of the guys on the 130 00:05:31,041 --> 00:05:33,601 Speaker 1: outside anyway that were in jail, So that jail was 131 00:05:33,641 --> 00:05:36,201 Speaker 1: never had never had for me, just just for my family. 132 00:05:36,521 --> 00:05:38,241 Speaker 1: The hardest thing being in jail has been away from 133 00:05:38,281 --> 00:05:40,721 Speaker 1: your family. Yeah, being in jail, you could be the 134 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,961 Speaker 1: provider for your family, be there the ones that suffer. 135 00:05:43,721 --> 00:05:45,721 Speaker 2: And your mother at the time was still over was 136 00:05:45,721 --> 00:05:48,041 Speaker 2: living in England and she couldn't come over to visit you. 137 00:05:48,161 --> 00:05:51,561 Speaker 1: Wow. So that means while you were here in jail, 138 00:05:51,841 --> 00:05:54,921 Speaker 1: you have no visitors virtually, just no no my family 139 00:05:54,921 --> 00:05:59,561 Speaker 1: here yeah, yeah, okay, okay, was with another woman, yeah, 140 00:05:59,601 --> 00:06:00,841 Speaker 1: and two kids. 141 00:06:00,921 --> 00:06:03,081 Speaker 2: Yeah, while you were in there. I've seen some of 142 00:06:03,121 --> 00:06:05,321 Speaker 2: the pictures that you've had in your book. Did you 143 00:06:05,361 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: meet any characters while you were inside? Yeah, Nardie Smith? Yeah, 144 00:06:09,961 --> 00:06:10,281 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 145 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,201 Speaker 1: I actually got a transcript he wrote in jail. I've 146 00:06:12,201 --> 00:06:15,121 Speaker 1: still got it now of a transcript of his next book, 147 00:06:15,241 --> 00:06:19,161 Speaker 1: but I haven't released it yet. Oh wow. Anyone else 148 00:06:19,161 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: there in there that you got to know the friend 149 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,361 Speaker 1: from me? Shepherd Diamond Jim So. He's written a book, 150 00:06:24,681 --> 00:06:27,921 Speaker 1: Last Man Standing. It's his book. Ye, old school Gamestan. 151 00:06:28,361 --> 00:06:31,361 Speaker 2: You also met a long time friend, got Alex Weimar 152 00:06:31,841 --> 00:06:32,841 Speaker 2: Alex Weimara. 153 00:06:32,921 --> 00:06:35,201 Speaker 1: When I first went to jail, he was my cell mate, 154 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,681 Speaker 1: he was the head sweeper and I took over his position. 155 00:06:38,361 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: And now with Alex now he's the head of the 156 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,241 Speaker 1: Tribunal worldwide for Indigenous people. And are you involved in 157 00:06:44,241 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: that now? All? Very much, very much, very much? Yeah, okay, 158 00:06:46,961 --> 00:06:50,361 Speaker 1: he's made me an ambassador for the Indigenous people Polynesian 159 00:06:50,361 --> 00:06:51,081 Speaker 1: people will guide. 160 00:06:51,601 --> 00:06:53,401 Speaker 2: So tell me a bit more about that organization than 161 00:06:53,401 --> 00:06:54,321 Speaker 2: tell me what's done. 162 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:57,561 Speaker 1: Well, what they're doing is making sure that our people 163 00:06:57,721 --> 00:06:59,881 Speaker 1: in the building industry in Australia have got the same 164 00:06:59,961 --> 00:07:02,281 Speaker 1: rights as anyone else because over the years have been 165 00:07:02,361 --> 00:07:05,601 Speaker 1: victimized for whatever reasons. So he's just just to make 166 00:07:05,601 --> 00:07:09,001 Speaker 1: sure as an ambassador interest. 167 00:07:09,281 --> 00:07:11,281 Speaker 2: So you're working for all that now to try and 168 00:07:11,281 --> 00:07:13,081 Speaker 2: help them with all that. Yeah, yeah, oh wow, that's cool. 169 00:07:13,121 --> 00:07:14,921 Speaker 1: That's cool. There's one thing we're going to look into now, 170 00:07:14,961 --> 00:07:17,401 Speaker 1: the black clanning. No one knows what that is. Black 171 00:07:17,441 --> 00:07:20,281 Speaker 1: clanning is that where they use the Aboriginal people to 172 00:07:20,401 --> 00:07:23,361 Speaker 1: benefit their own businesses, just using them as faces to 173 00:07:23,401 --> 00:07:25,481 Speaker 1: get the incentives from the government. Wow. 174 00:07:25,841 --> 00:07:27,401 Speaker 2: With that, now, that's a lot of work for you 175 00:07:27,441 --> 00:07:29,081 Speaker 2: to do now for like they're traveling around us. 176 00:07:29,161 --> 00:07:31,801 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you enjoy that? Well, I haven't really 177 00:07:31,801 --> 00:07:33,881 Speaker 1: started yet, but because I've been busy with the club, 178 00:07:33,921 --> 00:07:36,201 Speaker 1: but all side because a lot of our guys as well, 179 00:07:36,241 --> 00:07:39,241 Speaker 1: they're being sort of persecuted and you know, for being 180 00:07:39,241 --> 00:07:41,841 Speaker 1: criminals in that we're adding criminal records. I should say, yeah, 181 00:07:41,921 --> 00:07:43,761 Speaker 1: you know, not criminals having criminal records. 182 00:07:43,801 --> 00:07:46,121 Speaker 2: But I've just done recent podcasts with somebody who's in 183 00:07:46,161 --> 00:07:49,081 Speaker 2: the same boat over in the Melbourne. It's a bit 184 00:07:49,121 --> 00:07:52,201 Speaker 2: weird that the way they're kind of like pushing people 185 00:07:52,201 --> 00:07:55,201 Speaker 2: who've had criminal records that can't be involved in the industry. 186 00:07:55,241 --> 00:07:57,961 Speaker 1: Like that. So what's your thoughts on that? Then, Well, 187 00:07:58,001 --> 00:08:00,121 Speaker 1: it's wrong because the whole industry more or less is 188 00:08:00,121 --> 00:08:02,321 Speaker 1: everyone works in the industry there, they've got criminal records. 189 00:08:02,361 --> 00:08:04,961 Speaker 1: You know, you can't you know, punished ones for that 190 00:08:05,201 --> 00:08:07,121 Speaker 1: for what is on in the past. You're persecuting everyone 191 00:08:07,161 --> 00:08:09,281 Speaker 1: for the actions of a few. Everyone needs a second change. 192 00:08:11,281 --> 00:08:13,961 Speaker 1: You're pushing them back to what they were doing before, supposedly, 193 00:08:14,121 --> 00:08:17,721 Speaker 1: you know, if you're stopping them from working in this industry. Well, 194 00:08:17,721 --> 00:08:20,241 Speaker 1: good luck with that. Yeah, that's good to hear. 195 00:08:20,721 --> 00:08:23,001 Speaker 2: Like you said, jail, gil was wasn't hard when you 196 00:08:23,001 --> 00:08:25,641 Speaker 2: were there, But was there any times that you were 197 00:08:25,641 --> 00:08:27,641 Speaker 2: while you were in jail that you you were like 198 00:08:28,001 --> 00:08:31,081 Speaker 2: mentally kind of like antistressed that you want to you know, 199 00:08:31,081 --> 00:08:32,841 Speaker 2: knowing that your family knew that you were. 200 00:08:32,721 --> 00:08:35,761 Speaker 1: There every day every day every day. You know, jail 201 00:08:36,241 --> 00:08:38,681 Speaker 1: jail changes you if you want to be changed. And 202 00:08:38,881 --> 00:08:41,561 Speaker 1: I taught myself to meditate everything else because ate in 203 00:08:41,561 --> 00:08:43,841 Speaker 1: the end, you do hit mass ma. If you worry 204 00:08:43,841 --> 00:08:45,961 Speaker 1: about what's going on inside on the outside, I mean, 205 00:08:46,001 --> 00:08:47,841 Speaker 1: you'll never be able to concentrate and doing your jail. 206 00:08:48,041 --> 00:08:50,281 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you think it made you a better person, 207 00:08:50,881 --> 00:08:53,641 Speaker 2: stronger person. It changed me, Yeah, it changed me, was 208 00:08:53,641 --> 00:08:56,001 Speaker 2: what my family went through. But I would already sort 209 00:08:56,001 --> 00:08:58,561 Speaker 2: of change the direction and the things I was doing 210 00:08:58,601 --> 00:09:00,841 Speaker 2: before I went to jail. It was just unfortunate that 211 00:09:01,001 --> 00:09:02,961 Speaker 2: some of that charges caught up with me from before. 212 00:09:03,841 --> 00:09:06,281 Speaker 2: You've mess all these interesting people, You've kept in touch 213 00:09:06,281 --> 00:09:08,481 Speaker 2: with them all. Who'd you think was the biggest influencer 214 00:09:08,681 --> 00:09:11,001 Speaker 2: to you in jail? Who helped you a lot? Or 215 00:09:11,001 --> 00:09:12,561 Speaker 2: do you think it was a lot of people that got. 216 00:09:12,441 --> 00:09:16,721 Speaker 1: You there myself? Like I said, like I said before, 217 00:09:17,161 --> 00:09:19,401 Speaker 1: it's who you meet inside and what you choose to 218 00:09:19,441 --> 00:09:21,201 Speaker 1: do with your life when you get out. May you 219 00:09:21,321 --> 00:09:24,521 Speaker 1: become a right time criminal? It depending on who you meet, 220 00:09:24,561 --> 00:09:26,801 Speaker 1: because it's a recruiting ground its need to be if 221 00:09:26,801 --> 00:09:28,441 Speaker 1: you want to depending what you want to do. You know, 222 00:09:29,441 --> 00:09:31,361 Speaker 1: like I said, I chose not to go down that 223 00:09:31,481 --> 00:09:34,281 Speaker 1: path before I went to jail. You know what was 224 00:09:34,281 --> 00:09:37,441 Speaker 1: your plan when you got out? Well, did you encounter 225 00:09:37,561 --> 00:09:39,681 Speaker 1: have a goal? Yeah? Well I did just to look 226 00:09:39,721 --> 00:09:42,041 Speaker 1: after my family. My main focus was my family, get 227 00:09:42,041 --> 00:09:44,481 Speaker 1: my family back on track, you know, working getting a job. 228 00:09:44,561 --> 00:09:45,961 Speaker 1: So I always knew I get a job. I always 229 00:09:46,001 --> 00:09:49,121 Speaker 1: had a good, good reputation for working sales. That was 230 00:09:49,161 --> 00:09:53,121 Speaker 1: my main goal because that was that was mostly construction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, construction, Yeah, instruction. 231 00:09:53,161 --> 00:09:55,041 Speaker 1: I had my own scaffold company back in the day. 232 00:09:55,561 --> 00:09:59,361 Speaker 2: Okay, so twenty twelve, you joined the Bandidos. 233 00:09:59,601 --> 00:10:02,241 Speaker 1: How was that? Yeah? I met a couple of older 234 00:10:02,281 --> 00:10:04,801 Speaker 1: guys in jail. I won't say they are, but I 235 00:10:04,801 --> 00:10:06,881 Speaker 1: had passionate. Like I said before, there was always in me, 236 00:10:07,761 --> 00:10:10,961 Speaker 1: you know, the all lifestyle you know, or club life. 237 00:10:13,001 --> 00:10:17,441 Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that, but yeah, there's it's always been 238 00:10:17,441 --> 00:10:19,481 Speaker 1: in me, you know, it's always been in me. So 239 00:10:19,601 --> 00:10:21,121 Speaker 1: when I got out, there was a couple of guys 240 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:22,761 Speaker 1: in there, and I sort of hung around for a 241 00:10:22,801 --> 00:10:25,161 Speaker 1: bit and then then passionate back, so I joined. 242 00:10:26,001 --> 00:10:28,761 Speaker 2: Was it always going to be Bandido's You're always thought 243 00:10:28,801 --> 00:10:30,481 Speaker 2: I was passionate for always always been? 244 00:10:31,001 --> 00:10:31,361 Speaker 1: What was it? 245 00:10:31,441 --> 00:10:34,121 Speaker 2: What was it like when you actually got eventually got 246 00:10:34,121 --> 00:10:36,801 Speaker 2: patched up? What was that feeling like? Because, as I said, 247 00:10:36,801 --> 00:10:39,601 Speaker 2: I've only had friends. I've actually got a friend who's 248 00:10:39,641 --> 00:10:41,521 Speaker 2: part of your club, and I don't know what that 249 00:10:41,561 --> 00:10:44,081 Speaker 2: feeling is. What's that feeling like to be actually patched 250 00:10:44,121 --> 00:10:47,641 Speaker 2: up with somebody, you know, brotherhood? 251 00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:50,161 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, it is a brotherhood. Like I was very passionate, 252 00:10:50,601 --> 00:10:52,681 Speaker 1: but when I came in the club, I could see 253 00:10:52,681 --> 00:10:55,241 Speaker 1: a lot of things through my eyes and then I 254 00:10:55,241 --> 00:10:58,161 Speaker 1: implemented changes. You know, yeah in. 255 00:10:58,081 --> 00:11:00,441 Speaker 2: Your new book, which we'll talk about that. Then you 256 00:11:00,481 --> 00:11:03,521 Speaker 2: talk about older brothers living by the code. Tell me 257 00:11:03,961 --> 00:11:05,321 Speaker 2: what is that code? What's the code? 258 00:11:06,041 --> 00:11:08,281 Speaker 1: A code? A code is when you live by that code, 259 00:11:08,281 --> 00:11:09,681 Speaker 1: if you win in the club. You know, like I 260 00:11:09,801 --> 00:11:12,921 Speaker 1: meet guys in jail, old school morals. You know, you 261 00:11:12,921 --> 00:11:14,721 Speaker 1: don't give up your mate. You know, it doesn't matter 262 00:11:14,721 --> 00:11:16,601 Speaker 1: if he's your friend or enemy or nothing. You don't 263 00:11:16,601 --> 00:11:18,641 Speaker 1: make statements, you don't do this, you don't do that, mate. 264 00:11:18,641 --> 00:11:21,841 Speaker 1: That's old school code. That's a code. And people will 265 00:11:21,841 --> 00:11:23,561 Speaker 1: say when I wrote this book, I was giving up 266 00:11:23,601 --> 00:11:26,361 Speaker 1: the code code or what this is an insight into 267 00:11:26,361 --> 00:11:29,361 Speaker 1: our brotherhood or they're trying to declare a criminal organization. 268 00:11:29,761 --> 00:11:32,601 Speaker 1: It's an insight into this because over the years we've 269 00:11:32,601 --> 00:11:34,521 Speaker 1: never said nothing. We'll lived by that code of silence, 270 00:11:34,801 --> 00:11:36,881 Speaker 1: the code of silences. We don't speak to the police. 271 00:11:37,441 --> 00:11:40,801 Speaker 1: So the media have fed that, fed that to the public. 272 00:11:43,081 --> 00:11:45,441 Speaker 2: Many of these old school brothers still in the club. 273 00:11:45,441 --> 00:11:47,201 Speaker 2: I think there is a lot left, Yes, yeah, is 274 00:11:47,321 --> 00:11:47,641 Speaker 2: very much. 275 00:11:47,721 --> 00:11:50,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're sent in the book, these original members, 276 00:11:50,641 --> 00:11:53,041 Speaker 1: they're still in the club after forty five years. Wow. 277 00:11:54,201 --> 00:11:57,161 Speaker 2: Okay, it didn't take you long, all right to end 278 00:11:57,161 --> 00:11:59,521 Speaker 2: the respect in the club. Okay, you were already getting 279 00:11:59,601 --> 00:12:02,161 Speaker 2: in in your respect and even on the streets, all right, 280 00:12:02,201 --> 00:12:05,441 Speaker 2: going around within years a few years of being in 281 00:12:05,521 --> 00:12:07,041 Speaker 2: that club, you've got up in the ranks. 282 00:12:07,361 --> 00:12:09,481 Speaker 1: Yeah. But like I said before, you have to have 283 00:12:09,561 --> 00:12:13,081 Speaker 1: the respect before the position. Yeah, in this club before 284 00:12:13,401 --> 00:12:16,761 Speaker 1: hold over the years people have used the positions, get 285 00:12:16,761 --> 00:12:19,241 Speaker 1: the respect. In time, you will get found out, So 286 00:12:19,281 --> 00:12:21,161 Speaker 1: you have to have the respect. So when I went 287 00:12:21,161 --> 00:12:22,921 Speaker 1: for the job, I already knew I had the respect. 288 00:12:22,961 --> 00:12:24,881 Speaker 1: So there was no there was no drammas. I was 289 00:12:24,961 --> 00:12:27,441 Speaker 1: very confident in myself and my abilities and what I 290 00:12:27,441 --> 00:12:27,881 Speaker 1: could do. 291 00:12:27,961 --> 00:12:29,601 Speaker 2: It was I have your goal to when you join 292 00:12:29,641 --> 00:12:31,601 Speaker 2: the club to want to be where you are today. 293 00:12:31,721 --> 00:12:33,641 Speaker 1: No, No, you just wanted to be part of it. 294 00:12:33,681 --> 00:12:35,841 Speaker 1: If everything was going right, I wouldn't be sitting here now. 295 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:37,441 Speaker 1: So when I got in there, I could see me. 296 00:12:37,641 --> 00:12:39,801 Speaker 1: I could see things needed to be changed, and I 297 00:12:39,841 --> 00:12:42,241 Speaker 1: knew I was a person that could do that. Do 298 00:12:42,321 --> 00:12:46,041 Speaker 1: you think within the clubs, not just your club old clubs. 299 00:12:46,521 --> 00:12:51,561 Speaker 1: That power brings ego with people, it does, I've seen it. Yeah, 300 00:12:52,161 --> 00:12:53,761 Speaker 1: But like I said before, you know, you've got to 301 00:12:53,761 --> 00:12:55,801 Speaker 1: have the respect before the position, and don't use your 302 00:12:55,801 --> 00:12:59,161 Speaker 1: position to get respect. Otherwise it doesn't work well. And 303 00:12:59,281 --> 00:13:00,921 Speaker 1: it works for a time until you get found out. 304 00:13:01,161 --> 00:13:02,841 Speaker 1: And that's what happens in the club. You get all 305 00:13:02,841 --> 00:13:05,641 Speaker 1: this animosity amongst all the guys and people start talking 306 00:13:05,641 --> 00:13:07,481 Speaker 1: behind your back. Everyone needs to be on the same 307 00:13:07,521 --> 00:13:09,441 Speaker 1: page moving forward or was it went work? 308 00:13:10,361 --> 00:13:12,281 Speaker 2: So going back to that with the with the power 309 00:13:12,281 --> 00:13:15,001 Speaker 2: and the ego, do you think you get back from 310 00:13:15,081 --> 00:13:16,961 Speaker 2: old school or new generation coming through? 311 00:13:17,961 --> 00:13:20,401 Speaker 1: Well? Both, because in the end, when I started this 312 00:13:20,521 --> 00:13:22,561 Speaker 1: legacy in this book and everything else, you still got 313 00:13:22,561 --> 00:13:25,801 Speaker 1: to hold those core values and that what those brothers started. 314 00:13:25,961 --> 00:13:27,641 Speaker 1: Then you've got to bridge the gap. And you got 315 00:13:27,681 --> 00:13:29,441 Speaker 1: all these new guys, so you've got to teach them 316 00:13:29,481 --> 00:13:32,081 Speaker 1: the same morals, morals and values, you know, and my 317 00:13:32,201 --> 00:13:34,441 Speaker 1: job is to bridge the gap. To bridge the gap 318 00:13:34,441 --> 00:13:36,561 Speaker 1: between them. You don't say, get everyone on the same page. 319 00:13:36,921 --> 00:13:39,721 Speaker 2: Okay, Before you came and became the national present, did 320 00:13:39,721 --> 00:13:42,121 Speaker 2: you like how the club was going at the time, 321 00:13:43,641 --> 00:13:46,001 Speaker 2: so you already knew inside you Yeah, yeah, yeah, what 322 00:13:46,121 --> 00:13:47,001 Speaker 2: changes that you wanted? 323 00:13:47,201 --> 00:13:49,641 Speaker 1: I could see around me and everything else. But what 324 00:13:49,721 --> 00:13:52,041 Speaker 1: was going on And that's basically while we're in I'm 325 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:54,361 Speaker 1: here today is because put my hand done with the job. 326 00:13:54,801 --> 00:13:57,641 Speaker 2: Was that hard knowing that you could see changes, but 327 00:13:57,761 --> 00:13:58,681 Speaker 2: certain people couldn't. 328 00:13:58,921 --> 00:14:01,321 Speaker 1: Well, people are so used that they're like sheep. They 329 00:14:01,401 --> 00:14:03,681 Speaker 1: just follow without saying nothing. A lot of people are. 330 00:14:03,921 --> 00:14:05,881 Speaker 1: There's not many wolves know what the wolf said. The 331 00:14:05,881 --> 00:14:10,001 Speaker 1: wolf doesn't give a fuck what the sheep think. Explain 332 00:14:10,081 --> 00:14:14,041 Speaker 1: to me in the best possible way. A brotherhood in 333 00:14:14,081 --> 00:14:17,241 Speaker 1: a club, Well, I tell you what our brotherhood is 334 00:14:17,281 --> 00:14:20,281 Speaker 1: not when I come into the club. You could go 335 00:14:20,321 --> 00:14:22,801 Speaker 1: into a room and you could feel that tension in there. 336 00:14:22,801 --> 00:14:25,441 Speaker 1: You could cut up with a knife. Now that's my brotherhood. 337 00:14:25,721 --> 00:14:29,161 Speaker 1: There was factions everywhere. There was divides here, divides here. 338 00:14:29,561 --> 00:14:31,801 Speaker 1: Now now the difference you come to any of our dues, 339 00:14:31,801 --> 00:14:35,361 Speaker 1: Now it's just all brotherhood, laughed at, cheering everything. That's brotherhood. 340 00:14:36,081 --> 00:14:38,521 Speaker 1: Everyone on the same page. There might be different chapters, 341 00:14:38,521 --> 00:14:40,841 Speaker 1: but we're one club. Like, for example, you go to 342 00:14:40,881 --> 00:14:42,601 Speaker 1: the bar and you might be with your chap together, 343 00:14:42,681 --> 00:14:44,441 Speaker 1: bar taken hour to get there because you're talking to 344 00:14:44,481 --> 00:14:47,001 Speaker 1: all the brothers and laughing and account that's brotherhood. That's 345 00:14:47,001 --> 00:14:50,721 Speaker 1: what I saw about it was it was it was 346 00:14:50,761 --> 00:14:52,801 Speaker 1: like that before because it was divines. It was all 347 00:14:52,801 --> 00:14:55,401 Speaker 1: about numbers, all about numbers, you know, and then if 348 00:14:55,401 --> 00:14:57,361 Speaker 1: you haven't got guys on your side, then you start 349 00:14:57,401 --> 00:15:00,041 Speaker 1: something here so you have got the numbers. Wow, I 350 00:15:00,081 --> 00:15:00,961 Speaker 1: didn't know it was like that. 351 00:15:01,121 --> 00:15:04,241 Speaker 2: Talk me through what goes through when you were nominated? 352 00:15:04,281 --> 00:15:06,881 Speaker 2: How what's the process of being nominated for the national president? 353 00:15:06,921 --> 00:15:09,041 Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about that getting process, but 354 00:15:09,361 --> 00:15:11,681 Speaker 1: it's not how long you wear the patches, how you 355 00:15:11,721 --> 00:15:16,321 Speaker 1: work those. Being nominated put a lot of pressure on you. Yeah, 356 00:15:16,321 --> 00:15:19,481 Speaker 1: it does very much, you know, it's just one of 357 00:15:19,481 --> 00:15:22,241 Speaker 1: the Yeah, it does, but there's there's a lot of 358 00:15:22,241 --> 00:15:23,601 Speaker 1: things to deal with it. I want sort of go 359 00:15:23,601 --> 00:15:25,801 Speaker 1: into it too much. But your family and everything else. 360 00:15:25,881 --> 00:15:28,761 Speaker 1: He had attacked from from all angles and most of 361 00:15:28,801 --> 00:15:31,561 Speaker 1: it comes from all with him one hundred percent. You 362 00:15:31,601 --> 00:15:33,321 Speaker 1: know you're good. Guys will say things to your face, 363 00:15:33,321 --> 00:15:36,161 Speaker 1: but do things. Mind your bag. But everyone's got an agenda. 364 00:15:36,201 --> 00:15:37,801 Speaker 1: You needn't know what the agender is. It doesn't mean 365 00:15:37,801 --> 00:15:39,681 Speaker 1: it's a wrong agenda. It's just a different agenda for 366 00:15:39,721 --> 00:15:44,281 Speaker 1: what you got. We are you confident of get of women? Yeah? 367 00:15:44,361 --> 00:15:46,961 Speaker 1: Yeah I was. Yeah you look at comfort the past anyway, 368 00:15:47,041 --> 00:15:49,521 Speaker 1: Yeah I was. But that wasn't an intention. If I 369 00:15:49,521 --> 00:15:51,201 Speaker 1: didn't get it, I didn't get it. That wasn't the end 370 00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:53,641 Speaker 1: of it. You know, it didn't change who I was, 371 00:15:54,041 --> 00:15:56,041 Speaker 1: you know, being in that position didn't change who I was. 372 00:15:56,481 --> 00:15:58,761 Speaker 2: And even when I got it didn't change. So what 373 00:15:58,761 --> 00:16:02,241 Speaker 2: what happens you take over? Okay, it's national pros? Then 374 00:16:02,281 --> 00:16:04,281 Speaker 2: what happens to the old person? Does he just carry 375 00:16:04,321 --> 00:16:06,601 Speaker 2: on being some or you have to ask him he's 376 00:16:06,641 --> 00:16:09,121 Speaker 2: not in the club anymore? Okay, not fair enough, Okay, 377 00:16:10,201 --> 00:16:12,521 Speaker 2: that's not from my doing, it's his owner. No one 378 00:16:12,561 --> 00:16:14,641 Speaker 2: gets kicked out of this club because they get kicked 379 00:16:14,641 --> 00:16:16,481 Speaker 2: out because they get kicked out because what they do, 380 00:16:16,761 --> 00:16:17,361 Speaker 2: not what we do. 381 00:16:18,241 --> 00:16:19,361 Speaker 1: Their actions not actions. 382 00:16:19,641 --> 00:16:22,561 Speaker 2: So if you never got nominated, would you just be 383 00:16:22,761 --> 00:16:24,441 Speaker 2: who you were at the time and stayed that way? 384 00:16:24,521 --> 00:16:28,481 Speaker 1: If everything was going right? Okay, like like I said before, 385 00:16:29,041 --> 00:16:30,921 Speaker 1: you put your hand out when things aren't going right, 386 00:16:30,961 --> 00:16:33,721 Speaker 1: because I could see it, you know. But if everything 387 00:16:33,801 --> 00:16:36,121 Speaker 1: was going right, then I wouldn't be here, he'd be 388 00:16:36,161 --> 00:16:39,481 Speaker 1: still in the position he was in when voting was done. 389 00:16:40,201 --> 00:16:43,521 Speaker 1: How close was the boats? Well, once the boats were done, 390 00:16:43,561 --> 00:16:45,721 Speaker 1: I got the boats and it stopped. And I stopped 391 00:16:45,721 --> 00:16:48,281 Speaker 1: because you didn't need account them anymore. Wow that much? Yeah? 392 00:16:48,281 --> 00:16:50,161 Speaker 1: Because yeah, once you get the boat, because it's worked 393 00:16:50,201 --> 00:16:51,881 Speaker 1: on the numbers in the room and everything else. As 394 00:16:51,881 --> 00:16:54,721 Speaker 1: soon as I've got the numbers, that's it. Say so 395 00:16:54,801 --> 00:16:58,801 Speaker 1: you've actually had the back end of everybody. Wow. Like 396 00:16:58,801 --> 00:17:00,921 Speaker 1: I said, the boats stop. The boats stop as soon 397 00:17:00,961 --> 00:17:03,241 Speaker 1: as you get to It's not like an election. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 398 00:17:03,281 --> 00:17:06,121 Speaker 1: they gave through the numbers. Yeah many oh wow. Yeah. 399 00:17:06,161 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: And once you get the numbers and that's it and 400 00:17:07,641 --> 00:17:09,721 Speaker 1: they can't catch you. So there were still boats in there, 401 00:17:09,761 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. They didn't count as long as 402 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:15,441 Speaker 1: you get start celeting. You said, I wasn't worried about 403 00:17:15,481 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: counting the risk because it was never about numbers to me. 404 00:17:18,281 --> 00:17:21,441 Speaker 1: How did the streets, your rivals, and the cops react 405 00:17:21,521 --> 00:17:24,601 Speaker 1: to you becoming a new the national president? You know what? 406 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: How did the cops react? Well, it's funny, funny you 407 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,321 Speaker 1: say that, because when I got elected, I went to 408 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:31,881 Speaker 1: jump on my bike and I got a phone call. 409 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,441 Speaker 1: It was wrapped up. They already knew. They already knew. 410 00:17:35,761 --> 00:17:37,681 Speaker 1: I don't know how whether phones are bugged or not. 411 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,961 Speaker 1: And they said, I heard you're the new boss. I said, 412 00:17:41,001 --> 00:17:43,761 Speaker 1: where'd you hear that from? Hung up? I'll just give 413 00:17:43,761 --> 00:17:46,961 Speaker 1: you goose bumps. Wow. Really, how was it taking on 414 00:17:47,001 --> 00:17:47,761 Speaker 1: the streets? 415 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: I didn't really didn't really worry but worry about the streets, 416 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,361 Speaker 2: you know, But within the club, it was. 417 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:55,921 Speaker 1: It was, it was good. Yeah, it was good. 418 00:17:56,001 --> 00:17:58,881 Speaker 2: Yeah, but always had the respect on the streets. Anyway, 419 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,561 Speaker 2: How was it taken with your family? How did your 420 00:18:01,561 --> 00:18:02,281 Speaker 2: family team good? 421 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, my family will rap on me. Yeah. You 422 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: know what change before the club? You know, I'm my 423 00:18:08,241 --> 00:18:09,961 Speaker 1: husband father, you know, Well. 424 00:18:09,761 --> 00:18:11,881 Speaker 2: That's that's that's the side that I seen you when 425 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:12,961 Speaker 2: I first make you in the cafe. 426 00:18:13,001 --> 00:18:15,281 Speaker 1: You know, I seen I seen a Tony, not big Tony. 427 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: So nothing changes in my life having this position. I 428 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,161 Speaker 1: still had the same values and morals and I lived 429 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,041 Speaker 1: my life the same. 430 00:18:23,201 --> 00:18:25,321 Speaker 2: Okay, what changes did you make was in the club 431 00:18:25,721 --> 00:18:27,241 Speaker 2: and what was the hardest change you. 432 00:18:27,241 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: Had to me? I never made any changes at first, 433 00:18:31,041 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: because made in then I give the opportunity. If I 434 00:18:33,041 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: made changes straight away, then I become the dictator. Like 435 00:18:35,481 --> 00:18:37,881 Speaker 1: I just give them the opportunity to do their job. 436 00:18:38,001 --> 00:18:40,761 Speaker 1: And then time and I had positions were given on 437 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,681 Speaker 1: merit and retained on mirror. What was the biggest challenge? 438 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: Just time, just time, give them that, you know, because 439 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: and then I give him on the opportunity, you know, 440 00:18:49,761 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: because they followed one guy for so long and they 441 00:18:51,921 --> 00:18:54,041 Speaker 1: were so used to it. Then once I got elected, 442 00:18:54,241 --> 00:18:55,481 Speaker 1: you know, because you got to be in the club 443 00:18:55,481 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: for the club, not any individual. So I still give 444 00:18:57,921 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: them the opportunity. I said, mate, you know, he's not 445 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: here anymore, so give me the opportunity to you know, 446 00:19:02,521 --> 00:19:05,561 Speaker 1: to follow me or whatever by by laws. And only 447 00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: made changes when I had to. How did the younger 448 00:19:08,201 --> 00:19:11,001 Speaker 1: generation take to you becoming a national prison. Yeah, I 449 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: got a lot of support from the young woman, but 450 00:19:12,481 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: it was it wasn't done for the young ones as well, 451 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: because in the end, my main goal was these older members. 452 00:19:18,721 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: It was what they started because they wanted to change. 453 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: They want to change because their original members they started 454 00:19:23,201 --> 00:19:23,561 Speaker 1: the club. 455 00:19:24,041 --> 00:19:26,521 Speaker 2: Do you think the older the older generation felt like 456 00:19:26,561 --> 00:19:30,161 Speaker 2: they were getting before you came in, We're getting forgotten. 457 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, very much, very much. It was one of the 458 00:19:33,561 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: life members, that original members. He died now and he 459 00:19:37,041 --> 00:19:38,881 Speaker 1: was very close to me. I used to sit with him. 460 00:19:39,001 --> 00:19:40,801 Speaker 1: I used to sit with a lot of the original members. 461 00:19:41,201 --> 00:19:43,241 Speaker 1: We used to speak about the journey everything else. And 462 00:19:43,281 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: I used to tell me this is all lost history. 463 00:19:45,321 --> 00:19:47,201 Speaker 1: I said, you guys, what you're telling me now? I said, 464 00:19:47,521 --> 00:19:49,201 Speaker 1: soon you're going to be dead and gone and forgotten. 465 00:19:49,441 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: You know, this is why I wrote the book as well, 466 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,801 Speaker 1: to carry on this legacy, carry on their story. Okay, here, 467 00:19:55,961 --> 00:20:00,281 Speaker 1: if someone within the club does the wrong thing, they pointed, 468 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: just like anyone else on the outside, someone else on 469 00:20:03,961 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: the outside of the clubs to get something wrong, they 470 00:20:05,761 --> 00:20:07,561 Speaker 1: get punished. Well, we have our laws as well. We 471 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,521 Speaker 1: do one thing as well. Well, you've got a very 472 00:20:09,521 --> 00:20:12,761 Speaker 1: strict code within the club. You know, we treat each 473 00:20:12,801 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: other the same, we treat one family the same. You know, 474 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: we've got a very. 475 00:20:15,761 --> 00:20:18,641 Speaker 2: Strict, very strict Would they be kicked out the club 476 00:20:18,681 --> 00:20:20,921 Speaker 2: if if it's they're done? 477 00:20:21,201 --> 00:20:22,441 Speaker 1: Okay, you said that. You said to me. 478 00:20:22,521 --> 00:20:24,801 Speaker 2: When I first met you that you don't like the 479 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: club to be called Biki's or Biking Club. 480 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,961 Speaker 1: We're a brotherhood. We're a club, a brotherhood, but. 481 00:20:30,961 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: You don't like it to be named as a kind 482 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,481 Speaker 2: of like a biking because it brings it's like it's 483 00:20:36,521 --> 00:20:37,321 Speaker 2: a motorcycle club. 484 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:41,081 Speaker 1: Yeah, we ride by motorcycle club. We're not a gag. 485 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:44,921 Speaker 1: Yeah that's how it started. Yeah exactly, Yeah, we're a brotherhood. 486 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,401 Speaker 1: What's the one thing outsiders will never understand about loyalty 487 00:20:49,441 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: inside a club? 488 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's a hard one. They had you a loyalty. Loyalty, 489 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: mate is even if you're not in a club, the 490 00:20:57,961 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: guys you hang with, you wouldn't hang with guys that 491 00:21:00,001 --> 00:21:02,521 Speaker 2: haven't got that loyalty. You know, you don't hand with 492 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,721 Speaker 2: guys that you can't trust with your missus, you can't 493 00:21:05,201 --> 00:21:05,521 Speaker 2: or whatever. 494 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,721 Speaker 1: You know, in this clubmate, we're very strict on that. 495 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:10,681 Speaker 1: You know. We treat everyone, you know, their families the same, 496 00:21:10,761 --> 00:21:11,841 Speaker 1: like you're like they're your own. 497 00:21:12,961 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: Do you ever look at somebody who comes into a 498 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,081 Speaker 2: club and wants to patch up. Do you ever look 499 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,761 Speaker 2: and go he's not going to last? Or do you 500 00:21:19,801 --> 00:21:20,801 Speaker 2: like to yourself? 501 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,681 Speaker 1: I never judge anyone. Everyone's given the opportunity to such 502 00:21:24,681 --> 00:21:27,321 Speaker 1: a time, you can or you can't okay, yeah, you 503 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,001 Speaker 1: never judge a book by its cover, That's very true. 504 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: Do you think the biking laws target crime or image? Both? 505 00:21:34,681 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: Both both? Everyone gets tinished up the same brush. You know. 506 00:21:39,441 --> 00:21:42,561 Speaker 1: They're punishing everyone for the majority, for the actions of 507 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: a minority, isn't it? Does the law for for wearing it? 508 00:21:46,281 --> 00:21:50,001 Speaker 1: For your jackets? Now? Stop? Does that? Is that? Stop? Now? 509 00:21:51,201 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: See mey? It comes under the trademark law which is 510 00:21:53,721 --> 00:21:56,641 Speaker 1: commonwealth flaw. So how would you do a national run? Then? 511 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: Can you wear them? Or you can't wear them? New 512 00:21:58,441 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: South Wales can wear camber. You can wear them. But 513 00:22:00,761 --> 00:22:02,721 Speaker 1: when the boys ride out, for example where they ride 514 00:22:02,761 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: out from Perth, they took their colors off to get 515 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,121 Speaker 1: out of the or they put the colors on, they 516 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: take them off wherever we can wear and we do 517 00:22:07,721 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: because they can take away what's on your back, but 518 00:22:09,481 --> 00:22:13,041 Speaker 1: it's in the inside they can't take away. And that's 519 00:22:13,041 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: what they think they get rid of all the patches 520 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,721 Speaker 1: and get rid of us. It doesn't get rid of us. 521 00:22:16,921 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: How can you outraw our lifestyle? Who do who do 522 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: you respect outside the club world? Who's your biggest person 523 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:27,041 Speaker 1: that you respect? Well? I respect people that respect other 524 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: people as well. You know, I treat everyone the same 525 00:22:29,961 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: as they treat you. You know, in my family is 526 00:22:32,481 --> 00:22:36,881 Speaker 1: my biggest thing. I respect my family. But anyone that's 527 00:22:36,921 --> 00:22:41,721 Speaker 1: that respects, you know, aspects anyone within the organization. I suppose. 528 00:22:42,281 --> 00:22:45,001 Speaker 2: Okay, what's your take on clubs that have split and 529 00:22:45,041 --> 00:22:47,801 Speaker 2: patched over? What's your what's your intake on that? I 530 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: don't give it another thought. I don't worry about any 531 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: other club. You know, sometimes it might take one or 532 00:22:52,441 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: two clubs to find the right club. Just like an marriage. 533 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: You get married, get married two or three times, you know, 534 00:22:56,681 --> 00:22:58,921 Speaker 1: might take two or three women before before you find 535 00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: the right woman. Send the club. You find a club 536 00:23:02,321 --> 00:23:05,441 Speaker 1: that suit your needs, doesn't mean the club's bad, doesn't 537 00:23:05,441 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: suit your needs. Yeah, because there's other brothers and other 538 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: clubs that they get on better with. You can't blame 539 00:23:10,441 --> 00:23:12,281 Speaker 1: the club. It's only the people inside the clubs that 540 00:23:12,921 --> 00:23:14,561 Speaker 1: they make it what it is. That's true. 541 00:23:15,041 --> 00:23:17,041 Speaker 2: What's your response to the people who say that club 542 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,201 Speaker 2: only use a motorcycle culture as a cover? 543 00:23:21,521 --> 00:23:24,121 Speaker 1: What do you mean? What do you mean by well, so. 544 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,441 Speaker 2: What they do is that motorcycle culture is where it's 545 00:23:26,521 --> 00:23:28,041 Speaker 2: It's like what we said, just we said before it's 546 00:23:28,041 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: a motorcycle club. 547 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,801 Speaker 1: That's how it started off. 548 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's people that like who don't know you 549 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,561 Speaker 2: very well, like outside people like the public think that 550 00:23:36,561 --> 00:23:37,521 Speaker 2: that's just a cover, you know. 551 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,481 Speaker 1: I mean a lot a lot of people think that 552 00:23:39,681 --> 00:23:42,281 Speaker 1: because we've said nothing. This is this is the whole 553 00:23:42,561 --> 00:23:45,801 Speaker 1: thing of this book, so people can see this is 554 00:23:45,801 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: a brotherhood. You know, it starts from forty five years, 555 00:23:48,521 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, and we go through how we acknowledge all 556 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: the past brothers as well, and have we celebrate anything 557 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,521 Speaker 1: else that's a brotherhood. And we all got bikes in 558 00:23:56,561 --> 00:23:59,321 Speaker 1: common because you love the bikes and the open road. Yeah. 559 00:24:00,241 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: Did you still go on a lot of rights besides 560 00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:04,561 Speaker 1: national runs, like yeah, we have regional runs and the 561 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: boys are and once all the time. Yeah. 562 00:24:07,201 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: What's the biggest internal threat you think to a motorcycle 563 00:24:10,681 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: club today? Is it the police pressure, the internal betrayal, 564 00:24:14,321 --> 00:24:16,241 Speaker 2: or social media or all. 565 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: Of all all of them, all of them. It's a 566 00:24:18,481 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: bit of a you know, you have to have a 567 00:24:20,481 --> 00:24:22,721 Speaker 1: structure within the club as well, and you have to 568 00:24:22,761 --> 00:24:24,521 Speaker 1: have a structure. You haven't got a structure, man, it'll 569 00:24:24,561 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: get picked apart and everything else because like I said that, 570 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: the only people that can destroy you is yourself, not 571 00:24:29,921 --> 00:24:32,441 Speaker 1: the police can't destroy you, mate, if you're strong, they 572 00:24:32,441 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: can put all these laws out and then but if 573 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: you're strong within yourself, they can't. They can't pull your pont. 574 00:24:36,961 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: They'll try and stop people that from joining the club, 575 00:24:39,481 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: but the brothers in there. Once you get a solid foundation, man, 576 00:24:42,441 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: no one can destroy that despite any laws. Do you 577 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,761 Speaker 1: think social media is Yeah? Social media, as you know, mate, 578 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: it's a tool. It can be used. It depends on 579 00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: who's hand. You know, they can destroy or promote you. Yeah, 580 00:24:55,801 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: And this is the main reason too, were doing this. 581 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: And that's why I approach you, because there's a lot 582 00:24:59,921 --> 00:25:02,561 Speaker 1: of people approach us to the social media, but they 583 00:25:02,681 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: put their own twist, and you've got the best reputation, 584 00:25:05,481 --> 00:25:07,761 Speaker 1: you got the credibility and everything else. And this is 585 00:25:07,761 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: why you come off the street, not out of the office. 586 00:25:11,201 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: This is what I mean. 587 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,321 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you went in the club, what do you 588 00:25:16,321 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: think you honestly would be doing right now? 589 00:25:18,241 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: Exactly what I'm doing with my family. You know, the 590 00:25:21,201 --> 00:25:24,281 Speaker 1: club didn't change who I am. I still do everything normal, 591 00:25:24,761 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: I still work, I still do whatever I need to 592 00:25:26,721 --> 00:25:28,281 Speaker 1: do you know the club is a big part of 593 00:25:28,281 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: my life? But I don't. It's like someone having a hobby. 594 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: I love the boys. Got a couple of bikes I ride, 595 00:25:33,961 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: but you know, it doesn't change who I am. If 596 00:25:36,241 --> 00:25:38,761 Speaker 1: the club changes who you are, then maybe it's not 597 00:25:38,801 --> 00:25:40,161 Speaker 1: the lifestyle for you. 598 00:25:40,201 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: So you've got a couple of bikes, Yes, what's your 599 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 2: favorite bike? 600 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,041 Speaker 1: Fat boy? I've got two fat boys a turboat. Ride 601 00:25:47,041 --> 00:25:52,321 Speaker 1: them off them not as much as I shout when 602 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,841 Speaker 1: your time and that's your present ends? And what legacy 603 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,481 Speaker 1: do you want to leave behind? The legacy they start 604 00:25:58,561 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: and that one I'm carrying through. If I ask your 605 00:26:01,441 --> 00:26:05,241 Speaker 1: closest enemies why you are so dangerous? What you think? 606 00:26:05,241 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: They'd say? I don't think I've got enemies. Well, I 607 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: hope I haven't heard a name. Everyone's goad. You know, 608 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: what do you call enemies? There's a lot of people 609 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,201 Speaker 1: about you, and probably you know what I'd say, I made. 610 00:26:22,201 --> 00:26:23,641 Speaker 1: There's a lot of haters, but I don't really give 611 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: a fuck what the haters think. That's at least my worries. 612 00:26:27,961 --> 00:26:30,041 Speaker 1: You know, I'm true to myself and the boys around me. 613 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:31,281 Speaker 1: That's all the warriors matters. 614 00:26:31,321 --> 00:26:34,001 Speaker 2: To me, what's the one thing you've seen inside this 615 00:26:34,201 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: life that changed your life forever? 616 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,561 Speaker 1: Made the brotherhood in this club. I've seen this brotherhood 617 00:26:41,681 --> 00:26:43,641 Speaker 1: at its finance all around the world, not just here, 618 00:26:43,721 --> 00:26:45,001 Speaker 1: all around the world, you know. And this is what 619 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,001 Speaker 1: makes this club, in my opinion, the best motorcycle club 620 00:26:48,041 --> 00:26:50,961 Speaker 1: in the world, the brotherhood. And we install that in 621 00:26:51,001 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: each other and all the members around us, not just 622 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,361 Speaker 1: the way we treat each other where we treat our families, 623 00:26:55,561 --> 00:26:57,961 Speaker 1: on our runs and everything else. You know, I invited 624 00:26:58,001 --> 00:27:00,241 Speaker 1: a few people outside the club. They came to our 625 00:27:00,321 --> 00:27:02,521 Speaker 1: run and they couldn't believe it. They said, just give 626 00:27:02,561 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: the them an insight to how passionate we were better club. 627 00:27:05,921 --> 00:27:09,041 Speaker 1: You know, there's no egos. There's no egos in this club. 628 00:27:10,441 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: We fly high with the eagles, not alone with the guys. 629 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,041 Speaker 2: So well on your actual run that you just did, now, 630 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 2: did a lot of people from overseas come for the 631 00:27:19,441 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: run or they couldn't make it over they couldn't make 632 00:27:22,561 --> 00:27:25,241 Speaker 2: it there was it was just a couple couple, but 633 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: dip down without the patch and the title, without the 634 00:27:28,961 --> 00:27:32,801 Speaker 2: fear or respect, Who are you really same person? 635 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: I am? Now? Tony can I, Like I said before, 636 00:27:37,721 --> 00:27:40,241 Speaker 1: it doesn't change who I am. You know, I've always 637 00:27:40,281 --> 00:27:42,761 Speaker 1: had those morals and that respect. But I've had that 638 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,161 Speaker 1: respect before the club. The respect walks in the room 639 00:27:45,201 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: before you do. It stays well after your leave and 640 00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: depending on what you do in your life. How did 641 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,281 Speaker 1: you get the nickname? 642 00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:51,121 Speaker 2: Big? 643 00:27:51,201 --> 00:27:54,521 Speaker 1: Daniel? Used to be big? But I've lost a lot 644 00:27:54,521 --> 00:27:54,761 Speaker 1: of weight. 645 00:27:56,521 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: You're still big, but just because it's like it's like me, 646 00:27:59,201 --> 00:28:00,761 Speaker 2: like when they say how did you get the nickname? 647 00:28:00,761 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: The muscle? And I'm not fucking big anymore. 648 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 2: It's like you've read a book but we're going to 649 00:28:07,921 --> 00:28:08,521 Speaker 2: talk about now. 650 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: It's called Bandido's MC Past, Present of the Future. Yes, 651 00:28:13,201 --> 00:28:16,801 Speaker 1: how I would it take you to write about? Two years? 652 00:28:16,961 --> 00:28:19,241 Speaker 1: You know, two years in the making. I've always had 653 00:28:19,241 --> 00:28:21,321 Speaker 1: this book in my head. It's just trying to get 654 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,401 Speaker 1: pen to paper. And when Fiona process about the book 655 00:28:24,441 --> 00:28:27,401 Speaker 1: and everything else, and she bought one of her writers 656 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,761 Speaker 1: there too, and I couldn't sit with him because I 657 00:28:29,801 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: didn't have that vibe, not because of who he was 658 00:28:31,761 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: or what he was or whatever. But I won't say that, 659 00:28:34,201 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: but I just I couldn't. I can't sit there with 660 00:28:36,241 --> 00:28:39,321 Speaker 1: someone and express my story to them if they're on 661 00:28:39,361 --> 00:28:41,241 Speaker 1: the same page. So I said to Fiona, I said, 662 00:28:41,241 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: if I do this book, because just me and you, 663 00:28:43,161 --> 00:28:46,281 Speaker 1: because she was she's the owner and she started from 664 00:28:46,321 --> 00:28:48,401 Speaker 1: a writer to where she is now, so she knows. 665 00:28:48,641 --> 00:28:50,041 Speaker 1: And I said, I'll do it, but me and you. 666 00:28:50,081 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: I said, you got no one dancer too. I've got 667 00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:53,281 Speaker 1: no one dancer that will do it together. But I 668 00:28:53,281 --> 00:28:55,641 Speaker 1: said it, but you'll get messages from me from two 669 00:28:55,681 --> 00:28:58,161 Speaker 1: to three in the morning, like I did. I'd get 670 00:28:58,241 --> 00:28:59,521 Speaker 1: up in the morning and I put it the pave 671 00:28:59,561 --> 00:29:01,361 Speaker 1: and I would send her message and she'd say, oh, 672 00:29:01,521 --> 00:29:03,761 Speaker 1: you know, she knew would changed about twenty times. You've 673 00:29:03,761 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: got the message. But but finally we did it. We 674 00:29:06,321 --> 00:29:08,961 Speaker 1: did together, and so it was it was a god's 675 00:29:09,001 --> 00:29:11,361 Speaker 1: end having heard but she shared me. She structurally showed 676 00:29:11,361 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: me what to do and everything else. I was governed 677 00:29:12,961 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: by her. Never written book before, but I had it 678 00:29:15,481 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: in my head. What was the hardest thing to do 679 00:29:18,001 --> 00:29:20,921 Speaker 1: this book? What was the hardest Well? I had to 680 00:29:21,041 --> 00:29:23,921 Speaker 1: reflect on the past, how it started, without dwelling in 681 00:29:23,961 --> 00:29:26,921 Speaker 1: the past and the future. Because in the end the 682 00:29:27,161 --> 00:29:30,281 Speaker 1: name on there is from change to shackles because made. 683 00:29:30,281 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: It started where we come from pill colony. You know, 684 00:29:33,321 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: it's gone from change to shackles. And by that I 685 00:29:35,521 --> 00:29:38,841 Speaker 1: mean in time and the laws were faced, we've gone backwards. 686 00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:41,681 Speaker 1: We've gone backwards. And that's why I need to you know, 687 00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:45,081 Speaker 1: change the shackles and past, the president, future, the past, 688 00:29:45,521 --> 00:29:47,641 Speaker 1: you know, not dwelling on there, just reflecting on the 689 00:29:47,681 --> 00:29:49,401 Speaker 1: past to where we are now, to where we headed 690 00:29:49,681 --> 00:29:53,361 Speaker 1: and my vision yet holding the same core values that 691 00:29:53,521 --> 00:29:54,361 Speaker 1: these guys started. 692 00:29:55,201 --> 00:29:56,561 Speaker 2: Was it hard to get the green light to do 693 00:29:56,601 --> 00:29:58,681 Speaker 2: this with the members? Well, I didn't need the green light. 694 00:29:59,081 --> 00:30:01,521 Speaker 2: I didn't, you know, because in the end everyone knew 695 00:30:01,521 --> 00:30:03,841 Speaker 2: I was. I never asked anyone for any permission. I 696 00:30:03,841 --> 00:30:06,201 Speaker 2: sat with the original members and I told him, I said, 697 00:30:06,241 --> 00:30:08,321 Speaker 2: I'm writing this book. I'm not asking permission. I'm telling 698 00:30:08,321 --> 00:30:09,161 Speaker 2: you I'm writing this book. 699 00:30:09,681 --> 00:30:12,041 Speaker 1: In the end made if it was wrong that my 700 00:30:12,241 --> 00:30:14,321 Speaker 1: job and everything asked, my reputation is on the line. 701 00:30:14,481 --> 00:30:16,161 Speaker 1: So I know what this. I've been around for a while, 702 00:30:16,281 --> 00:30:19,001 Speaker 1: the best hits in life has experienced. You know. I 703 00:30:19,041 --> 00:30:20,681 Speaker 1: know what to say and what not to say, you know, 704 00:30:20,801 --> 00:30:22,521 Speaker 1: but I need to sort of get this journey across 705 00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:25,321 Speaker 1: in it, like I I've asked you if it was 706 00:30:25,401 --> 00:30:25,841 Speaker 1: hard book. 707 00:30:25,881 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: Did you sit there at any point and I write 708 00:30:29,441 --> 00:30:31,121 Speaker 2: this instead of getting the on to do it? But 709 00:30:31,161 --> 00:30:32,601 Speaker 2: were you sitting there right in there? Or were using 710 00:30:32,601 --> 00:30:34,001 Speaker 2: a dictive phone? How are you doing this? 711 00:30:34,121 --> 00:30:36,561 Speaker 1: Made? I did it every way I could. I made, 712 00:30:36,561 --> 00:30:39,761 Speaker 1: I wrote it, I recorded it. I did everything made. 713 00:30:39,761 --> 00:30:42,281 Speaker 1: I had to educate myself and learn a lot of 714 00:30:42,281 --> 00:30:44,681 Speaker 1: stuff because in the end, you know, but I said 715 00:30:44,721 --> 00:30:47,401 Speaker 1: to it because I had one hundred percent editorial writes 716 00:30:47,401 --> 00:30:49,521 Speaker 1: over this book, you know. But then I said there, 717 00:30:49,601 --> 00:30:51,641 Speaker 1: I said, how do I She told me this is 718 00:30:51,681 --> 00:30:53,081 Speaker 1: what you need to do, and I told this is 719 00:30:53,121 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: what I wanted because in it I always said, so 720 00:30:56,001 --> 00:30:59,001 Speaker 1: I can tell my story, but I can't tell anyone 721 00:30:59,041 --> 00:31:01,561 Speaker 1: else the story. I can tell my vision. But then 722 00:31:01,601 --> 00:31:03,561 Speaker 1: those guys from the areas that have spoken in the 723 00:31:03,561 --> 00:31:05,801 Speaker 1: book had written in the book, they tell their junior 724 00:31:05,921 --> 00:31:07,881 Speaker 1: because people have to see the character of the guy. 725 00:31:08,081 --> 00:31:10,041 Speaker 1: And once they see the character, and then he's got 726 00:31:10,041 --> 00:31:14,121 Speaker 1: the respect and say wow already. Because the one thing 727 00:31:14,241 --> 00:31:15,841 Speaker 1: I did like about this book. 728 00:31:17,241 --> 00:31:19,841 Speaker 2: Was passed all the all the people who you know 729 00:31:20,001 --> 00:31:21,841 Speaker 2: who who've passed away, and to. 730 00:31:21,761 --> 00:31:24,281 Speaker 1: Put that in the book. It was really yeah, and 731 00:31:24,321 --> 00:31:28,001 Speaker 1: I knew a few people. That's that's always That's always 732 00:31:28,001 --> 00:31:30,481 Speaker 1: been in my journey and in the club history as well. 733 00:31:30,761 --> 00:31:33,841 Speaker 1: Even when we when we toasted our clubs, we always 734 00:31:33,881 --> 00:31:36,121 Speaker 1: you know, I don't remember now, we never forget, you know, 735 00:31:36,481 --> 00:31:38,241 Speaker 1: we always have no more runs because they're a big 736 00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:40,041 Speaker 1: part of the club. You know, that's our brother, that's 737 00:31:40,041 --> 00:31:42,321 Speaker 1: you know, they're the guys that they paid the way 738 00:31:42,361 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: for us. You know, they've taken it through sacrifice for whatever, 739 00:31:45,761 --> 00:31:47,561 Speaker 1: they paid the way for us to be here today. 740 00:31:48,361 --> 00:31:52,801 Speaker 2: Well, now you've the final outcome where the book is here. 741 00:31:52,681 --> 00:31:56,161 Speaker 1: Are you happy with the final outcome? Are you happy anything? 742 00:31:56,321 --> 00:31:59,321 Speaker 1: I'm happy because the feedback I'm getting from the original 743 00:31:59,401 --> 00:32:01,881 Speaker 1: members when I when I was written in the original 744 00:32:01,961 --> 00:32:03,641 Speaker 1: because no one read this book. No one read this 745 00:32:03,681 --> 00:32:06,201 Speaker 1: book apart from me and Fiana. You know, they read 746 00:32:06,241 --> 00:32:08,001 Speaker 1: what they put in there, and they put them there. 747 00:32:08,161 --> 00:32:09,841 Speaker 1: That's it, and I just send it back to them 748 00:32:10,041 --> 00:32:12,961 Speaker 1: edited and all that stuff, with all the spelling mistakes done. 749 00:32:13,321 --> 00:32:15,881 Speaker 1: But once it's put together. After that and the original 750 00:32:15,921 --> 00:32:18,681 Speaker 1: members and when Fiona did the video Past President Future 751 00:32:18,681 --> 00:32:21,321 Speaker 1: showcasing what was in there, I watched the original members 752 00:32:21,321 --> 00:32:22,801 Speaker 1: they had tears in their eyes and they will come 753 00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:24,361 Speaker 1: up through you, you know, so then you know you're 754 00:32:24,361 --> 00:32:26,161 Speaker 1: done a good job. How did you get all those 755 00:32:26,161 --> 00:32:28,481 Speaker 1: photos like that? There's some photos in there. We've had 756 00:32:28,521 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: them for years that have been on USB sticks, so 757 00:32:32,081 --> 00:32:35,361 Speaker 1: they've just been in guys drawers and some of them 758 00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:37,961 Speaker 1: have been there for twenty thirty years. And then when 759 00:32:37,961 --> 00:32:40,121 Speaker 1: I get into it that she got her team to 760 00:32:40,241 --> 00:32:42,121 Speaker 1: enhance them everything else. There's a lot of a lot 761 00:32:42,121 --> 00:32:44,361 Speaker 1: of work then trying to the thing is trying to 762 00:32:44,561 --> 00:32:47,841 Speaker 1: find the eras are from because nothing's been done before. 763 00:32:48,001 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, nothing's been archived or this is all archived 764 00:32:51,601 --> 00:32:54,921 Speaker 1: and copyrighted. Now this is history to us, so you 765 00:32:54,961 --> 00:32:56,761 Speaker 1: know nothing's been done before like that. But you just 766 00:32:56,761 --> 00:32:58,721 Speaker 1: trying to put them in the right place. That was 767 00:32:58,761 --> 00:33:01,281 Speaker 1: a hard job. Then I'll put the pictures in and 768 00:33:01,321 --> 00:33:03,921 Speaker 1: you do the story around the picture with the. 769 00:33:03,881 --> 00:33:06,401 Speaker 2: Feeling now in the club that the book south, everyone's 770 00:33:06,401 --> 00:33:09,441 Speaker 2: happy about it. Do you think that now that that's 771 00:33:09,441 --> 00:33:11,521 Speaker 2: a chatter over that you don't need to talk about 772 00:33:11,561 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: the club so much. Now it's there. It's everything is 773 00:33:13,481 --> 00:33:14,161 Speaker 2: there in that book. 774 00:33:14,201 --> 00:33:17,841 Speaker 1: Now. Well, it's just to start, it's just to start. Yeah, 775 00:33:18,041 --> 00:33:19,761 Speaker 1: like I said before, you go to be in control 776 00:33:19,801 --> 00:33:21,721 Speaker 1: the narrative. You know, you're not going to have other 777 00:33:21,721 --> 00:33:24,521 Speaker 1: people write our story, you know. Like like I said before, 778 00:33:24,561 --> 00:33:28,401 Speaker 1: we've remained solent for years and people have written our story, 779 00:33:28,481 --> 00:33:30,881 Speaker 1: you know, and and in silence, people take it as 780 00:33:30,881 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: a as a former guild. So how many copies she 781 00:33:33,481 --> 00:33:34,001 Speaker 1: gives the runner? 782 00:33:38,121 --> 00:33:43,441 Speaker 2: How many pre orders today? 783 00:33:43,841 --> 00:33:45,801 Speaker 1: So do I call you an orphan? Now? Are you 784 00:33:45,841 --> 00:33:50,401 Speaker 1: an orthor? Yeah? Yeah, But but that doesn't change like 785 00:33:50,401 --> 00:33:53,241 Speaker 1: it was never done. It was was never a bad money, 786 00:33:53,241 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: it was never about anything else. It's about getting our 787 00:33:55,481 --> 00:33:58,201 Speaker 1: story out there, being controller to carry on that legacy 788 00:33:58,281 --> 00:34:00,601 Speaker 1: that the brothers started. That was the whole reason to 789 00:34:00,641 --> 00:34:03,081 Speaker 1: do this, no other reason. So when when does this 790 00:34:03,121 --> 00:34:04,241 Speaker 1: book actually hit the shop? 791 00:34:04,361 --> 00:34:06,001 Speaker 2: Sun its it's in the shops now, it's in the 792 00:34:06,001 --> 00:34:09,081 Speaker 2: shops now, so it's online, it's in the shops. 793 00:34:09,121 --> 00:34:09,681 Speaker 1: Yeah. 794 00:34:09,761 --> 00:34:12,281 Speaker 2: I want to say a big thank you to you 795 00:34:12,401 --> 00:34:16,441 Speaker 2: coming in. This is like a massive, massive interview for 796 00:34:16,561 --> 00:34:18,881 Speaker 2: me and a lot of respect now that I've met 797 00:34:18,921 --> 00:34:20,841 Speaker 2: you and got to know you, you know, in the 798 00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:21,721 Speaker 2: short period of time. 799 00:34:22,121 --> 00:34:22,881 Speaker 1: I loved the book. 800 00:34:23,001 --> 00:34:24,841 Speaker 2: I read it on the plane going to Melbourne, read 801 00:34:24,841 --> 00:34:26,041 Speaker 2: it up coming back to Sydney. 802 00:34:26,481 --> 00:34:28,881 Speaker 1: I think it's fucking unbelievable and I wish you all 803 00:34:28,881 --> 00:34:29,281 Speaker 1: the best. 804 00:34:29,361 --> 00:34:31,281 Speaker 2: But as I said, a big thank you to you 805 00:34:31,321 --> 00:34:33,681 Speaker 2: Big Tony for coming in and sharing your story. Thank 806 00:34:33,721 --> 00:34:35,481 Speaker 2: you very much. I just let you know this will 807 00:34:35,521 --> 00:34:37,001 Speaker 2: be my first and last podcast. 808 00:34:38,281 --> 00:34:42,961 Speaker 1: I'm glad it's been a pleasure. Thanks and you did 809 00:34:43,041 --> 00:34:47,521 Speaker 1: make me feel uncomfortable right not to not to thank 810 00:34:47,561 --> 00:35:08,881 Speaker 1: you very much. I appreciate it.