WEBVTT - BONUS: Taking on The Monster: Sam Goodman 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:04.920 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.080 Detective sy a side of life the average persons never 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.120 exposed her. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.040 For twenty five of those years, I was catching killers. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.240 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:20.560 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys stead, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.160 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.439 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.800 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.479 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.680 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:46.840 Join me now as I take you into this world. Hey, guys, 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.519 I know you're about to listen to this Christmas bonus 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.959 episode that I did with Sam Goodman. He was due 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:57.200 to fight on Christmas Eve. Sadly, that fight's been postponed. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.840 Sam suffered a significant injury to his eye cut on 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.080 his eye in the final sparring session before flying out 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.679 to take out. But the good news is the fight's 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.800 been only postponed, it's gone over to the twenty fourth 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:14.559 of January. So Sam has just knuckled down and got 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.440 back into his training and he's still going to try 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.840 and take all the world titles from the person who 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.479 known as a monster, who is renowned as the world's 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.240 greatest fighter. I hope you enjoy the podcast I did 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.440 with Sam. He's an interesting character, He's got a lot 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.040 of courage and enjoy it. And just know it's not 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:30.680 going to be on Christmas Eve. It'll be on the 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.800 twenty fourth of January. I'm certainly looking forward to watching it. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.040 Welcome to another special episode of VI Catch Killers. Let's 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.160 call this a bonus episode, the Christmas present for myself, 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.440 because today I'm speaking to someone who's going to test 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.840 himself in the boxing ring against arguably the best pound 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.960 per pound fighter in the world. The person who's fighting 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.600 is referred to as a monster and is a national 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.840 hero in Japan. On Christmas Eve, our guest Sam Goodman 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.240 is going to walk into a sold out arena in 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.640 front of twenty five thousand screaming fans in the heart 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.960 of take hour and take on the undefeated Naoia in 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.520 a way in a grilling, twelve round battle for the 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.520 world title. It's no place for the faint hearted, and 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.200 the fight will be watched live by an estimated forty 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.920 million fans. The stakes are high. Sam will be literally 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.919 putting his life on the line. If he wins, he'll 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.639 be crowned the undisputed unified superbandmweight champion of the world. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.400 And when will set Sam up financially for life and 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:27.600 have him etched into the history as one of Australia's 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.919 greatest boxers. Not bad for a battler from Wollongong who 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.880 decided at the very early age who is going to 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.560 fight his way to becoming a world champion. Today, we're 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.200 going to find out about who Sam Goodman is, what 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.280 makes him tick, and where he finds a courage and 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.120 belief to step into a ring with one of the 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.919 world's most feared fighters. Anyone who's listened to I Catch Killers, No, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.160 I'm a boxing tragic. I love the sport and the 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.840 part that plays in helping people find direction in life. 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.960 I say that knowing there are consequences that come with boxing, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.640 but I just can't help enjoy the enjoy the spectacle. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.360 I'm not an expert, but later in the pod cast 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.040 will be joined by journalist Brendan Bradford, who knows all 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.880 about combat sports. He's been following Sam's career for a 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.440 long time. He's going to put into perspective just how 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:13.040 significant Sam's fight is in the world of boxing. Sam Goodman, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.480 welcome to our catch Killers. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.160 Thanks for having me on stake to be. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.080 Well, I don't know how excited you are, but we're 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.720 going to find out. But I'm certainly excited about Christmas Eve, 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.640 not for the presents that are coming, but for the 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.679 fight that's going to be on Christmas Eve. When you 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.200 take on, arguably, pound for pound, one of the best 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.080 fighters in the world. How are you feeling. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.520 I'm feeling really good, but believing there's going to be 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.040 presents after the fight. So when I'm bringing all those 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.400 belts back to Australia, you know, that's the That's the 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.640 biggest person I could have ever asked for. So look, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.000 I'm working extremely hard to go and do it, and 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:46.760 I'm putting in the work each and every day. But 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.160 I'm in a good spot. I'm feeling really good in training, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.240 feeling great and yeah, I'm putting in the work. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.200 I know this that whenever you talk about and it's 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.920 starting to get starting to get a lot of media 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:01.960 exposure because of the significance of the Every time I 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:06.480 hear you talk it's not if it's when I will achieve. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.520 Is that the way you approach a situation like this. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.600 It's how I've approached every fight, and nothing's going to 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.360 change for me with this one. The only thing that 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.039 sort of has changes. I've just pushed the envelope even 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.520 more with the workload. So I've honestly, I've worked myself 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.920 to exhaustion through this training camp ever since we found 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.640 out that this fight could happen, and yeah, it's just 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.520 been almost I've always worked hard, I've always stayed consistent, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.880 but it's been at different levels for this one. So 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.360 just a bit of that extra push wherever I can 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.400 and just trying to, yeah, do everything I can to 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.560 win this fight because I know it's one of the 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.440 biggest challenges in boxing. But I truly believe that I'm 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.080 going to go ahead and do it and shock the world. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:46.680 So if I didn't think I could do it, I 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:47.600 wouldn't ever go at it. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.400 Yeah, it's what you're saying there. I've speaking to people 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.000 that you've surrounded yourself with a good team, and we'll 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.400 talk about them later, but they're all saying you're at 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.120 another level, And I think at first I've seen a 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.360 couple of your fights, but I think I first saw 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.800 you sparring probably two years ago, went there with your 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.120 manager Peter Matreski, to a gym mum down near Cronola, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.680 and I came away exhausted on how hard you went. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.919 There was no letter. You were as sharp as you 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.840 were at the first round as you were in the 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.440 tenth round. Is that something the hallmark of your boxing, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:23.880 your fitness and your conditioning. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.160 Definitely. I think it's just from the work we put in. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.760 Like my coach Shoel, you know, he works us into 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.279 the ground, so we put in a lot of work. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.120 And I think a lot of other people when they 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:35.840 come and train with us or do a bit of 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.120 a training camp, they're a bit shocked with the workload 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.720 and how much we train for how long we train, 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.080 And it shows in the fights. It shows in the sparring, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.640 you know, especially when I'm working with multiple different guys 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.000 and you know they're starting to gas up a bit 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.880 before me. So it's yeah, it just comes down to 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.240 the workload and been so consistent with it all. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.920 Okay, you, what's two weeks out from the fight now? 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.640 Just do a rough calculation rough roughly. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:01.880 Too, roughly about two and a half. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.800 What what are you feeling right now? Do you want 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.000 do you wish you could make it happen now? Or 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.000 you is excitement building? Is? Yeah? What's going through your 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:12.120 mind at this point in time. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.680 I've still got another hard week and a half to 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.760 get through a training so it's it's still a bit 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.120 of work to go. So at the moment, my focus 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.280 is on I'm not looking past each day. So each 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.240 day I'm just doing what I'm meant to be doing 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.000 that day and focusing on that. So I'm not looking 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.160 too far ahead. Not let me head get in the 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.200 clouds and start fighting the fight before I get there. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.560 It's just all about focusing on the job we're going 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.400 to do each day, and it'll be the same on 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.520 fight night. So I don't let the emotion or get 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.599 over excited by the occasion or it's it's another fight. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.520 I know it's the biggest fight I'm ever going to have, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.600 and look, but that's always. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.120 The way I've approached every fight. Every fight that. 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:52.600 You're about to have is always going to be the 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.200 biggest one you take on. So it's it's like I said, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:57.400 nothing really changes for me here. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.919 I'm fascinated by the mindset that goes also with the 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:05.120 physical training training in boxing. But let's wind it back 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.279 a little bit. We got you at the world title fight, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.720 but you don't just wake up one day and say, hey, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.840 I'm going to be a world champ in or a 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.960 fight for a world title. Tell us about yourself growing up. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:15.720 Where'd you grow up? 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.680 So grew up in Abbim Park, so small town, like 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.080 tight knit community and just really I got into boxing 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.760 to get a little bit fitter for footy, and like 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.680 originally I wanted to get into the wrestling and stuff 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:29.440 like outline, I love. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.480 Me, wwe me the old boy. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.960 The old boy told me that the wrestling I was 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.880 going to be doing is not like jumping off the 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.160 ropes and what I'm seeing on TV. And I thought, no, mate, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.200 You've got no clue. So but then I ended up 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.800 dislocating my elbow playing footy, and he just thought, give 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.680 the boxing a go because you don't want to get 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.320 thrown in arm bars and stuff that early on. So 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.680 done that had my first spar and after that just never. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.720 Looked back, how old were you about ten nine or ten? 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.280 So it was just something that I was always a 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:00.840 little bit of a rap bag of a kid, you know, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.800 like always punching on my cousins or me friends. You know, 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.520 who caused the ruckers. But so it was just something 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.840 I was drawn to. That that combative like nature was 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.760 always I think in me and just something I've grown 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.640 to love. And even when we've got a bit older 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.920 and all the mates were into surfing and they were, 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.040 oh shit, scared a surfer and all that. So I 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.880 just boxed every weekend and yeah, it just starts me passionate. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:25.960 It's what I love doing and it's the same today. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.680 It's interesting you said there that you were training and 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.000 then you had your first sparring session. That's when you 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.880 knew that's what you wanted to do. That separates people, 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.480 doesn't It's just you either enjoy it or you don't 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.760 enjoy it. It's all right to train, you see a 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.199 lot of people train boxing, but then the next step 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:43.959 is how do you how do you react when you 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.320 get hit and do you enjoy it? And do you 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.360 enjoy the combat of being in a ring with someone? 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.760 Clearly you did yeah, and that's I think it might 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.840 stem from a bit of footy and like I said, 0:08:54.880 --> 0:09:00.839 just knock about you know, it's a contact sport as well, and. 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:01.120 I think that might have helped. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.559 You know, I was always a bit of an undersized 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.160 kid as well when I was playing footy, so I 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.000 was always you know, getting thrown into the mixer and 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.880 just used to a bit of contact. And yeah, so 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.200 when I was with the boxing, and it's you know 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.199 it eventually when you're fighting, it's people your own size 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.600 was sweet as so it was, yeah, just something I 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.319 was drawn to. And you know, I'm not going to 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.760 say you love getting hit in the face, but hitting 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.719 someone else in the face and winning the fight it's 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:26.480 a damn good feeling. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:26.840 Yeah. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.760 Yeah. Did it give you just stepping away from the boxing, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.679 did it give you a sense of calmness away from 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.800 or confidence away from the boxing ring, knowing that you 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.240 could look after yourself. 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:39.160 Yeah, a little bit. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.960 Like I was never not not heaps confident as a kid, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.839 like I said, always bounced around for all lot of 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.800 me footy teammates and it's the same group I got 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:52.120 around me today. So but it definitely did does give 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:53.599 you a bit of confidence and a bit of a 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.720 swagger when you walk. You know, you know you can 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.599 handle yourself. But it's also comes with a bit of 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.360 a responsibility. It's a different world out there, and you 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.120 don't want to be walking around like you can't be 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.400 touched or anything, because anything goes in the streets. I'm 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.280 not naive enough to know that you know, anything can 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.360 happen on the street as well. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.120 I think that I've had a lot of people on 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.200 I catch killers and their life's gone in the wrong direction, 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.120 and boxing sometimes bore them back in the right direction. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:24.040 But one thing that boxing teaches them that yeah, you 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.840 know there's always someone better, there's always someone that's a 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.520 different way that someone can get you, and that you 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.880 don't walk around without arrogance, and you don't feel that 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.560 need to need to fight. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.640 Absolutely, And it's just like I said, anything can happen 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.360 if you if you're out there on the street. You 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.480 know people have weapons, people have you know, they can 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.400 outnumber It's never a fair fight. So it's not even 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.559 that like I look at street flights down my hands 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.600 start hurting just thinking about punching someone. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:54.199 So just way they just want to strap my hands. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.000 Obviously, I couldn't think about it now. Yeah, it's just 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.360 you don't go out for that sort of stuff anyways. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.319 You know, if you're going out, you're going out to. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.520 Have a fe and you've got quite a conservative group 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.439 of friends too, that, strangely get called the mad bunch. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.080 Quite a quiet group of people going about their business. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.480 We're going to talk about the mad bunch of mad 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.959 bunchs later on. So when did you like an amateur 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.800 career in boxing? Just talk people through, because I want 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.880 people and people that don't understand boxing. It's not like 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.320 you just get a shot of the world title. There 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.000 is such a pathway that you've got to go through 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.200 through the amateur days, and that would be traveling all 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.880 around the state, them around the country, them around the world, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.000 getting your experience, and then you turn professional and you 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.600 virtually have to start all over again. Tell us about 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.079 your amateur career first up. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.760 So I started off boxing obviously at Lake Laura PC 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.439 well I see and had a good few fights there, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.520 But it was really once I won my first Australian 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.720 title that I really thought I'm going to give everything 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.760 else away and everything I'm going to do is going 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.680 to be drilled towards this, but that was about I 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.880 was probably about twelve years old and that's when I 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.840 met Joel, who knows still to this day he's my trainer, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.720 but he's been the biggest influence on my life and 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.040 my boxing career by far. 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.400 And yeah, so it stemmed from there. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.600 But we, like you said, you start at the local level, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.480 then you go to your state titles, your nationals, and 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.640 once you start doing that, you're looking to sort of 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.600 go overseas. And we've done plenty, plenty of training camps 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.160 in the amateurs overseas England, China, stuff like art so 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:41.120 and then started competing overseas so America, Russia, Germany, England again, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.240 all places like that. So it's as took me all 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.199 over the world boxing. And yeah, my amates, your career 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.720 was I had probably just over one hundred flights as 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.760 an amata and then I turned pro pretty early. So 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.480 it's you know, it seems like it goes pretty quick, 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.440 but it's a long time to be working, and you know, 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.080 just when you're working so consistently. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.840 Big big commitment there, But to you'd have to be 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.720 totally focused. I'm just talking the amateur at this stage. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.400 We'll talk about the professional shortly. But with your schooling 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:20.040 and that, did you have like Australian titles? Did you 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:24.400 think this is my pathway or did you have a 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.360 another option there was never get a trade something to 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:28.000 fall back on. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.640 Or did you I got told that a lot. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.320 Yeah, that was a narrative that goes around the line. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.400 Everyone was telling you need a plan, B, you need 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.400 to be doing this, and I was just like, and 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.880 I think especially your teachers and even some people in 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.800 my family look here like you're still a kid or whatever. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.679 I'm going to make this work. This is going to 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:44.199 be my job. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.600 This is what I'm going to be doing for a living, 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.439 and I'm not going to have to do anything else 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.760 after I'm done doing this either. So there, everyone's always 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.959 looked at me like I was a bit crazy and stuff, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.840 but here I am doing it. So it's yeah, it's 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.520 like everyone told me, you've got to get a trader, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.800 You've got to get a real job, and stuff like that, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.480 and people who know me know how useless i'd be 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.600 with all that sort of stuff. I couldn't be on 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.840 a job site. That saved me life. So done a 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.360 couple of weeks laboring from my pop as I've finished 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.000 off school and that was just another side. I was like, man, 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:15.840 I can't be here. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:16.680 For the rest of my days. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:17.840 It's a tough gig, isn't it. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.000 I'd take your hat off to people who. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.840 Do it, but yeah, it wasn't for me, and I 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.240 always knew that my path was through boxing. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.800 Well what excites me here having someone like you on 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.200 the podcast And we get all sorts of people who've 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.600 had highs and lowers in life, but you're really chasing 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.240 your dream as we're seeing it. Then you're not far 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.120 off from your achieving your lifelong ambition. I just think 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.840 it's so cool. What do your parents think about your 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.960 boxing reservations? There? 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:46.520 Now? 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:47.000 There are? 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.360 They've always been incredibly supportive of what I've done and 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.920 what I'm doing. So it's like I couldn't have done 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.480 this without my parents as well. So you know, my 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.240 mom and dad musty stuff like they're always got hime 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.920 me gave me a massive push and I think maybe 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.040 after I finished school and stuff, there might have been 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.560 And you know, you're fighting for you know, only a 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.640 few bob, and you're not making any real money when 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.840 you're starting off as a pro. You know, my mum 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.640 might have had a few like can this work? Are 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.480 you going to need a real job or whatever, But 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.840 like I said, they always still got behind me, backed me, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.480 and yeah, now. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:23.760 We're we're sweet. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.200 So we're about to fight for the world title, and look, 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:28.200 I believe I'm going to win it and you know, 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:29.440 set my future up forever. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.040 Okay, how long have you been pro for? 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:37.320 Since two thousand and nineteen, so six seven years. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.840 Just explain that. Explain to people difference between amateur boxing 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.920 and professional boxing so people listening can understand. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.680 So amateur boxing's it's three three by three minute rounds 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.000 when you're now they've taken the head gears off, but 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:59.960 it's still bigger gloves, you're fighting in vests, and yeah, it's. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:01.400 It should be. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.640 I don't like the word amateur because some of them 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.680 are great boxes and people work like they are professionals, 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.400 so you have to if otherwise you don't reach a 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.120 high level in the amateur game. But the difference is 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.960 it's just unpaid ranks really and paid ranks, and in 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:19.440 the paid ranks you're fighting from four four rounds to twelve, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.320 so it's yeah, once you get up towards the championships 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.960 and you're fighting for belts or like high level regional titles, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.240 you're fighting ten twelve rounds, So that that's the biggest difference. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.320 And they're like polar opposite sports almost ones like a sprint, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:33.680 ones like a marathon. 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.440 You they talk about different levels in boxing. You know, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.640 some people reach the level when there's the next step 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.880 up and next step up? Did you know this a 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.680 difference in professional boxing? Because in professional boxing you're going 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.800 to come across some hard cases people you know, journeymen 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.200 and people that know every trick in the book. And 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.800 did you know the set when you were the crossover 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.800 from amateurs to professional. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.240 Little subtle differences. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.440 I think maybe you always work with pros as amateur 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.520 as well. When I was inspiring and in the gym, 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.440 But to be honest, I didn't try and change everything 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.600 I'd done well. I just needed to do that for 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.399 longer and being you know, just really dial in on 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.080 all my all my skills and and learn to progress 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.480 it as a pro. But it's like I said, it's 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.879 different sports because you're you're working it to like you 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.040 see people there it's a sprint. It's it's so chaotic 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.560 in the amateurs, whereas in the pros it's you know, 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.560 you've got a lot more time to figure out breaking 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.439 the exactly breaking so whereas you can't give away a 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.920 second in the images. But yeah, so that's the main 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.600 difference really that that you're find But it's in terms 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.960 of the level that there's great, great fighters in the 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:51.120 amateurs and there's great fighters in the pros. I think 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.200 I've really found my style and and found my way 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.920 to win in the pro game, and found a way 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:57.879 to dominate. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.480 Suits your your game. Who did you look up to 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.159 boxes that you looked up to as a young fella. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.040 Early on, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones, and then once I 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.119 started learning that, you know, I'm not punching like those guys, 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.080 and you know, yeah, exactly all right, So I started 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.399 looking at a lot more of the Eastern European guys, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.600 so like guys like Lomachenko, massive fan of him, like 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.480 Dimitri Bivol, will sick. I love watching that Eastern European, 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:29.719 like that Soviet style. So I think there's similarities as 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.159 well in the way my coach coaches as well. So 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.880 little nuances that we do you can see in those 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.000 sort of styles. But love is enough one. He's a 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.520 freak that you know, there's no one else coming out 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.359 of Russia like him, like he won I think it 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.840 was three hundred and ninety six amateur fights for one loss, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.359