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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I know you're about to listen to this Christmas bonus

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Speaker 1: episode that I did with Sam Goodman. He was due

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another special episode of VI Catch Killers. Let's

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Speaker 1: because today I'm speaking to someone who's going to test

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Speaker 1: Just explain that. Explain to people difference between amateur boxing

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Speaker 3: So amateur boxing's it's three three by three minute rounds

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Speaker 1: You they talk about different levels in boxing. You know,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I go in with every sparring session with a

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Speaker 1: holding back from what I saw between you guys.

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00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 3: Nah, it's always good work with those two boys, and yeah,

437
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: long mate continue.

438
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 1: You mentioned Joel Keegan and Luke of Phipps with training.

439
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 1: Watching Joel speak to you in the corner just during

440
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: that sparring session, I was impressed by the calmness that

441
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: he created and the clear and concise messaging that he

442
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: was giving to you about what he wanted you to do.

443
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: Are you hearing that when you're in the ring, And

444
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: how much is having someone like in your corner mean

445
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: to you.

446
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 3: He's usually the only person I really can hear in

447
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 3: the fight. So everyone likes to go on about can

448
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 3: you hear the mad bunch or whatever, and everyone chatting.

449
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 3: Usually the only two voices I can hear when I'm

450
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 3: fighting is Joel and Luke. And look, their messages are

451
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 3: always always understanding what they want from me and what

452
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: they want me to do. So it's look, my success

453
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 3: comes from those two blokes, really, so I just try

454
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: and listen. And you know, they say jump, I say

455
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: how high? So I know if I do what Joel

456
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: wants me to do, that I'll win fights.

457
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: No, it was impressive, and I could see the relationship,

458
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: and I thought the instructions would really just switched on

459
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,479
Speaker 1: and concise that. I'm thinking if I was in that position,

460
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: I'd want someone calm like that, feeding me, the providing

461
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 1: the feedback and giving me.

462
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 3: When we get it wrong, he loses. He's cool a

463
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 3: bit as well, so it's almost a bit of a

464
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: few factors in there as well. If you're spar after

465
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 3: someone else and you know they're they're bugging it up

466
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 3: or whatever inspiring and you're next in, yeah, figuring out

467
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: like you've put the heat on me now. So there's

468
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 3: always a bit of pressure to not upset him. But look,

469
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: he's the best at what he does as well. So

470
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: like I said, without without Joel, I wouldn't be in

471
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: this position.

472
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to for a gain for people that

473
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: don't follow boxing or understanding the type of commitment that

474
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: you've got to put in from the time that you

475
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: signed for this fight or it might be twelve weeks

476
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: out from the fight. What sort of training do you

477
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: have to do? Your life has to be And I

478
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: see you this morning, you look tired, but you're spar

479
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: sparring yesterday. And we could only get you on today

480
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: because I was begging to get you on and we

481
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: could only get you on today because this is your

482
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: one rest each week. It's intense talk us about the

483
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: build up because I want to take it right to

484
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: the time that you're going to be walking walking into

485
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: that arena.

486
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: So whenever we got the call that the fight was

487
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: going to happen, which would have had fourteen to fifteen

488
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: weeks out of us. It was probably just before September.

489
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 3: I think that we knew that the fight was going

490
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 3: to happen. It was just all about you know, putting

491
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: in crazy amount of work and getting the body ready

492
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: to you know, to be in the biggest fight of

493
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 3: my life. And it's been you know, some some weeks

494
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: at seven days a week, other days at six. But

495
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 3: there's been days where undering you know, four sessions a

496
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: day over six hours of training. So yesterday was another day,

497
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: you know, three training sessions in the day with a

498
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: ten around spa in the middle of it.

499
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: So it's it's a.

500
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: Lot of work, but it's stuff I still enjoy, you know,

501
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: the training and working towards this. You know, Like I said,

502
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: this has been my goal since I got into this sport,

503
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: and I know that I could have put in an

504
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: insane amount of work to achieve this, and that's what

505
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: we've done. So ever, ever since we got that phone call,

506
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: that's been you know, you know, two to four times

507
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: a day since the seven days a week, and it's

508
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 3: basically been my life. I've just ate, slept, drank boxing.

509
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 3: It's it's nothing else.

510
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: There's a fine line too, because I hear here, Yeah,

511
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: the experienced trainers say that you can ever cook someone

512
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: as well. So it's as in, train too hard that

513
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: you've got nothing left by the time you walk walk

514
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: in the ring. So you're conscious of that, so you're

515
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: downtimes your rest time.

516
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: Look, I'm looking to overcook him on December twenty fourth,

517
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: So that's that's my plan, and that's what I'm going

518
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 3: to do. So look, I'm going to be fresh by

519
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: the time I get in there. You know, I've got

520
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: time to freshen up while I'm in Japan. At the moment,

521
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 3: I know, I've got to be working hard and doing

522
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: everything possible to. I think some of the overcooking and

523
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: that I think a lot of it can come mentally

524
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: as well with people and they get tired and they

525
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: don't want to do things as well. So I think

526
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: it's important to you know, you've got to keep your

527
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 3: mind positive and and just make sure that you're not

528
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 3: feeding your own head with negative thoughts or you know,

529
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: you've got to always enjoy a bit of the pain

530
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: and keep learning to push and try and tell yourself

531
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: that over and over. And I think if you're stay

532
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: in that sort of headspace that you can you can

533
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: push hard, you can you can keep pushing the envelope

534
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 3: because you know you're doing the right things. But I

535
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 3: think that the overcooking side, a lot of it can

536
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: come mentally or unless you get injured.

537
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: Hanging around watching professional fighters prep for their fights and

538
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: all that. One thing that's I see fairly consistencies. There's

539
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: a lot of laughter and carry on to take the

540
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: pressure off, a lot of practical jokes, a lot of

541
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: just some crazy shit that goes down just for a laugh.

542
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: Is that all about taking the pressure off because it

543
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: is so intense what you're trying to achieve and build.

544
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: I think a little bit of it.

545
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: But in our gym, a bit of a store organic,

546
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: it just happens. It's got a bit of a tent,

547
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: like we've got like a footy team environment at our gym.

548
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: So it's just always it's a good place to be

549
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: around if you're going there and everyone's super serious. Everyone's

550
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: you know, and like we're serious when it's time, it

551
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: is serious. But when you're just sitting around, you know,

552
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: if no one's talking to each other, no one's having

553
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: a laugh and a joke or poking a bit of fun.

554
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: It's not a real place you want to be, so

555
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: it's always somewhere like even after a fight, the first

556
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: thing you want to do back on Monday is go

557
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: to the gym and knock around with the boys. So

558
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 3: it's always a good place to be. And yeah, that's

559
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: the sort of vibes we want to keep in our gym.

560
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: And even like you said, before a fight, you know

561
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: it's not you know, we still have a laugh at

562
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: and a choke and then when it's time to go

563
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: to work, we go to work.

564
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: Okay, can we talk about because I'm going to bring

565
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: Brendan in shortly, but can we just talk about that

566
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: the day of the fight? Just talk us through through

567
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: that because you've been there. You've got twenty three fights undefeed,

568
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: not nineteen and nineteen No, sorry, nineteen and a fights,

569
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: so you've prepped for it. You've done that. Tell us

570
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: about the day of a day of the fight's what's

571
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: going to be happening.

572
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: I'll cheat it like mostuff for days, like I'll get up,

573
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: I'll go for a coffee, I'll hydrate in the morning

574
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: and then go out for a coffee and get having

575
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: me breaky, and I'll just treat it as another day

576
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: half the time, you know, if it's a Saturday or

577
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: whatever that you're fighting, I'll have a pump with the

578
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: boys or whatever and just relax and not think about

579
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: the fight until it really comes. And then once you

580
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: start to leave for the venue, then that's when that

581
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: that little switch happens and you it's like, all right,

582
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to walk here. You know, I've got to

583
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: do everything in my power to win, and it's going

584
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: to be the same feeling I feel on Fightnite. It's about,

585
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: you know, achieving everything obviously out to achieve and taking

586
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 3: all these belts back to Australia. So it's you know,

587
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: once I leave for that venue in Tokyo, it's it's

588
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: going to be all about bringing those belts back home

589
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: with me.

590
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: And that's the consequences of it, like the danger that's

591
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: associated with anyone that steps steps in the rapes in boxing,

592
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: the consequences of a victory. And I don't I don't

593
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: want to tempt fate because I don't want your thinking

594
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: past that. But it's going to be life changing.

595
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, it's going to I know that.

596
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 3: But it's it's something I've always I've always expected of myself,

597
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 3: something I've always dreamt about was becoming a world champion

598
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: and setting out to do this. But I know that

599
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: there's definitely going to be you know, it's going to change,

600
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: but always expected it too. And I'll just like like

601
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: I have with everything else, I'll take it in my

602
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: stride and I'll get on the things. I won't build

603
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: it up to to be something that's not. It's just

604
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 3: it's going to be my time in the sun and

605
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: that's it. Have you been to Japan before, Yeah, only

606
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: for a.

607
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: Couple of days.

608
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: So we went for about four or five days to

609
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: go actually watch him.

610
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: When you popped up and there, we got up in

611
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: the ring.

612
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: So we are we you know, played musical chairs, got

613
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: closer to the ring, yelled out at him, and you know,

614
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: we got called in the ring boy him. So it

615
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: was it was funny how that one worked out, but

616
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: it was. Yeah, it was a cool experience, and yeah,

617
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: it's a it's a good place. The people over there

618
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: are great, and yeah, I'm looking forward to getting back

619
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: over there.

620
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, you're not going to be the the crowd

621
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: favorite over there. He's a local hero. Does that work

622
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: for you or against your or it doesn't matter, it

623
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.

624
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't listen to them when they're going for me

625
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: or if they're doing me. So you know, if you

626
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: listen to them, you'll be sitting with them. And that's

627
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: the approach I've always had with We've listened to the crowd,

628
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: or reading stuff online, whatever, you know, I've always just

629
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: worried about what me and my team think and what

630
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: we need to do. And that's how I've approached everything.

631
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: I don't I don't read nothing, I don't watch nothing anymore.

632
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: It's just all about, you know, our vision, our goals,

633
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: and what we're going to do to win.

634
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: How many people you got close people you've got coming

635
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: over to support you.

636
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: I think we've got about eighty odds.

637
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: So it's just close personal friends.

638
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, lot more people I know and speak to.

639
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's pretty cool on Christmas Eve, you know,

640
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: to take take that sort of many people over. You know,

641
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: if it wasn't Christmas Eve, I reckon we be looking

642
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: to even more. But you know, Christmas is you know,

643
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: everyone's looking to spend up with families and stuff a

644
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: little bit. But we're still gonna We're gonna make plenty

645
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: of noise over there, and you know what we're like,

646
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: you know what they're like. So it's the Japanese. They're

647
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: pretty quiet and our bunch of mad as they come.

648
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: So it's going to be they'll still cause the ruckus.

649
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: They're quiet, but they love their boxing and they know

650
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: their combat sports and they've got that Samurai spirit in them.

651
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, they don't want to take them on like

652
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: our bunch.

653
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Speaker 2: None of them know how to fight, and they all

654
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: think they can. So it's yeah, that's color opposites.

655
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: We might have another episode of I Catch Killers on

656
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: how they how they survived in a Japanese prison. It

657
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: could be the same with it with the people close

658
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: to you and going over there. You said eighty people,

659
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: and I would imagine it would be that. I know

660
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: you're a popular person. Do you feel the pressure of

661
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: because the whole thing's around how you perform, on how

662
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: you perform on the night, do you feel does that

663
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: pressure or is that something you've become.

664
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Speaker 3: Conditioned to To be honest, it's it's no heavier. The

665
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: heaviest pressure I feel is the pressure put on myself,

666
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: and that's that comes with of my training from Like,

667
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: I'd feel the same honestly, if I was fighting this

668
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: bloke in front of you know, three judges and my coaches,

669
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: I'd feel the exact same way as if I go

670
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: and fight him in front of a hundred thousands. Wouldn't

671
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: bother me one bit. So it's never something I've really

672
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: looked into or worried about. I've always just cared about,

673
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: you know, getting the result that I desire, and that's

674
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: where my pressure comes from. So it all comes from

675
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: me and what I expected myself. So it's always been

676
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: the same for me. Really, how are they twenty six?

677
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: You've got a pretty philosophical outlook on things. Is this

678
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: world that you've inhabited made you grow up quicker? Or yeah?

679
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: Take the responsibility.

680
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: In some things. Other people will say, I'm still a kid.

681
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: If you speak the speak the baby.

682
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: Or when we refer the baby, he's not actually a baby.

683
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: He just acts like a baby. We're talking about Peter Mactreski,

684
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: who helps manage you and yeah, a good, very good. Yeah,

685
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: but yeah he's a bit crazy. Yeah, don't listen to everything.

686
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now with some things I think i've you know,

687
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: I'm definitely very mature with and then other stuff I'm.

688
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: Completely useless with.

689
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: So it's but yeah, just me outlook on my sport

690
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: and how I approach things is something that you know, I've.

691
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Always looked at.

692
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: People that have done great things in life or whatever,

693
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: and I think I've chose good people to look at

694
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: and how they approach things. People gone about mental coaching

695
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. For me, it's very hard to

696
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: you know, speak to someone who and they're going to

697
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: tell me how I should be feeling before something they've

698
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: never ever done understand And so I.

699
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: Find a lot of that stuff a bit.

700
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: You know, they're teaching out of a textbook or whatever,

701
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: whereas you know, you get to see someone who's been

702
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: there and done it might not be boxing or fighting

703
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: or whatever, but they've done something, achieve achieved something or

704
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's something from history that you can learn.

705
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: Often you pick all things that you like out of

706
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: that and you make your own sort of approach with it.

707
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: And that's how I've always took things on and been

708
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: inspired by things that I'm drawn to.

709
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: I like that approach. It's a real old school philosophy.

710
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: But in looking to people for examples and looking to mentors.

711
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think you've switched on for what

712
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: you've got happening there. Intensity will burn you out. I

713
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: see the way you conduct yourself around the gym and

714
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: just when you're coming in here you can have a laugh.

715
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: And that's so important because you burn yourself out if

716
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: you haven't got that. But you switch on when need be.

717
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: We're back for our chat with Sam Goodman. It's the

718
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: Eye Catch Killers bonus Christmas episode and it focuses around

719
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 1: Sam's boxing career and the fact that he's fighting a

720
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: blake that's called the Monster on Christmas Eve in Japan

721
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: for a unified super bantam weight world title, which I

722
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: think is pretty pretty incredible. But I've also got Brendan

723
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: Bradford to put in perspective about the magnitude of what

724
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: Sam's aiming for on Christmas Eve. So Brendan, welcome to

725
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: Ye Catch Killers.

726
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on.

727
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 4: It's exciting to be just a part of us such

728
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: a big Australian fight. It's really excited to just be

729
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: part of the build up and to talk to you

730
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 4: about it.

731
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: Well, for people that you know, I'm trying to drag

732
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the eye catch killers listeners into the

733
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: boxing world. But a unified world title like all the belts,

734
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: You want to just break that down what we're talking about,

735
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: because people would have heard discussions of unified world champion,

736
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: what it actually means.

737
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, so unified understand.

738
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure Sam already is aware of this, but this

739
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: is for our listeners. Sam, he's probably talking about it.

740
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: So basically in boxing these days, there's four major sanctioning bodies.

741
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 4: They each have about WBC, wb A, WBO, IBF, and

742
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: it's very rare that you have one fighter have all

743
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: the belts in any division in a way has that

744
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: Sam's fighting for all the belts, which is is super rare.

745
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: And yeah, so the magnitude of this fight you can't

746
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: sort of overstate it. And that the fact that you know,

747
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 4: we've had Australians fight for world titles and win world titles,

748
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: win a belt or two belts, but to go for

749
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: all the belts against the guy like Noah in a

750
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: way who is pound for pound if not number one,

751
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 4: number two, you know consensus across the world, that's very rare.

752
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: I can't remember too many Australians that have gone and

753
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: fought the pound for bound, best fighter in the world

754
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: for all the titles, and that's what Sam's doing.

755
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: And he's not it's not the best days are behind him.

756
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: He's still at his peak and he's considered considered the

757
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: pound for pound.

758
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

759
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, he's in his peak right now. He's living it.

760
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: He's fighting world champions, he's fighting number one contenders. This

761
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 4: is in a way, you know, not to take anything

762
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: away from any of the other great performances in Australian boxing,

763
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: but this is like, you cannot get a boxer and

764
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 4: opponent more at the peak and with more on the

765
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 4: line than what Sam's traveling to Japan to do in

766
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks.

767
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: Sam, were there any opportunities to go and easier path

768
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: and call yourself a world champion on just one of

769
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: the belts? Was there options available to you?

770
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 3: There would have been interim options and stuff along those routes,

771
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: and to probably delay it and then wait for him

772
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: to move up or vacate.

773
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: But that's not what I'm about.

774
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to be someone who's going

775
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: to duck and I'm excited by the challenge. And like

776
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: I said before, if I didn't think I could beat

777
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 3: this guy, I wouldn't wouldn't do it. It's something I really

778
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: believe that I'm going to go and go and shock

779
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: the world. And I just hope everyone does remember when

780
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: I go and do this that he was at the

781
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: peak he did. You know what he's done, and you know,

782
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: no one takes anything away from this win. So because

783
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: I'm going there and I'm going to upset the world

784
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: and I'm going to shock everyone, So I just hope

785
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: everyone remembers, you know, when this has happened, that you know,

786
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: I beat the guy who was the guy.

787
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's gutsy and that's what I've been saying right

788
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: from the start, and I think you'd have to agree. Brendan, Yeah, I.

789
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: Mean he's anyway said twenty eight wins, twenty five have

790
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: been by knockout. He's in his whole career, he's lost

791
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: only a handful of rounds. Like he's he's called the

792
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: monster for a reason. He's a very scary man. And

793
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: Sam sort of touched on there there are probably options

794
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 4: he could have taken, waited for in a way to

795
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: go up a division fight for a vacant title, but

796
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 4: like he says, that's that's not what he's about. That's

797
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: not where he got into the sport. He wants to

798
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: do something great.

799
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: Now he's called the monster, You're called the ghost or

800
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: mister Mandatory.

801
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: They mix it up each fight, so I've never really

802
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: gave myself a title or whatever.

803
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: But that's not where I'll put all my focus.

804
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: You know.

805
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: I think the Ghost came from an American writer and

806
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: they just ran with it for a while and stuff

807
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: like that.

808
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Is this year idiot mates that Nah.

809
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: That was American, right.

810
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: I think it was after the Lean fight of the

811
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: Doheny fight, wrote an article about me and said I

812
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 3: moved like a ghost, and that's sort of sort of stuck.

813
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: So I think it comes from there.

814
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: Peter, is that that person in the corner that's pointing

815
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: to himself going that was me?

816
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could be.

817
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: So the Ghost takes on the on the monster. Mister Mandatory.

818
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Now there's a factor in the there's some substance to

819
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: that in that you are the mandatory fight for in

820
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: a way in two of the belts, is that you're

821
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: understanding of Brendan.

822
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: Yes, and that's sort of been the story of the past.

823
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: I suppose six months you've Sam's had a couple of

824
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: fights in Australia, but he's had this, He's been the

825
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 4: mandatory challenger and always had other fights that he's taken,

826
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: and it's it's it feels like this fight has been building.

827
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: Up for about eighteen months since I've went mandatory. I

828
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: went I won my mandatory fight eighteen months ago, so

829
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: it was either set out then and waited for a

830
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: shot as well. So but it was another thing I

831
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: wanted to stay active on, to keep getting better, staying

832
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: camps and keep taking on challenges to prepare me for this.

833
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm like.

834
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 3: You wouldn't find another fighter, I think in the world

835
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 3: that has had as many fights as me since getting

836
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: that position.

837
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: So because every time you're fighting and you're fighting some

838
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: good pain, that's you're putting it all at risk again,

839
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: aren't you.

840
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: Exactly?

841
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 3: You lose that fight and your shot goes, so someone

842
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: else's ranking will overtake yours and everything you work for

843
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: has gone. But like I said, you've got to get paid,

844
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: you've got to keep working, you've got to keep getting

845
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: better as well. So that's all things I've done in

846
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: the process, and not just the fights, but the camps

847
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: as well. Gone into that. That just the development and

848
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: just preparing myself and going to new levels each and

849
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 3: every time is something that's set me up to win

850
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: this fight.

851
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: Okay, fighting in Japan. I've been to Japan. I know

852
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: how interested they are in all forms of mine, marcial

853
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: arts and combat sports and they're fanatical fans. What sort

854
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: of deal is it like Christmas Eve in Japan in Tokyo.

855
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a really interesting atmosphere

856
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 4: because you have a big crowd, knowledgeable crowd, but super respectful.

857
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: They don't make a lot of noise right like you

858
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: were there earlier this year, Sam, So the eighty odd

859
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: mad bunch, they might be the loudest in the venue,

860
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 4: they might be the loudest section, but yeah, they love

861
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 4: the fight sports in Japan, boxing, MMA or various forms

862
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: of combat sports, but very respectful, sort of polite clapping

863
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 4: I think, rather than the raucous mad bunch crowd that

864
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: they'll get.

865
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: And the stadium I understand rough figures twenty thousand that

866
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: was being sold out and people were so cen to

867
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: get tickets that became on a lottery basis to get

868
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: tickets there.

869
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how much of a superstar anyway is in Japan.

870
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 4: People love them. And there's also been big historic oracle

871
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: boxing moments in Japan as well. Mike Tyson's lost to

872
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: Buster Douglas that was huge. So there's a deep history

873
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 4: of boxing in Japan too, which obviously you know in

874
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 4: a ways sort of the king at the moment.

875
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: Well, when we talk about history in Australian boxing, one

876
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: of the earliest memories I have as a child was

877
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: watching this crappy black and white TV as a kid,

878
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: hardly walking watching the father watch Lionel Rose fighting fighting Harada.

879
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: That was fifty years ago.

880
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 5: That was huge.

881
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so again Sam, Sam sort of walking in those

882
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: those footsteps steps big underdog story. There's a great, great

883
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: yarn of Lionel Rose flying back to Australia and he

884
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: saw the quarter of a million people at the airport

885
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: to meet him, and he thought the Beatles were on

886
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 4: his plane because he you know, he didn't know they

887
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 4: were all coming out to see him. So I wonder

888
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 4: if we get quarter of a million out to see

889
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: the airport and Sam comes back to s after Christmas.

890
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, great memories for Australian boxes and Australian boxing

891
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 4: in Japan as well.

892
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: But Sam does that sort of put in perspective the

893
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: type of the magnitude of what you're trying to do.

894
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: Here Here, I am saying, I've got a memory from

895
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: fifty years ago of something that you're going to step

896
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: in in a couple of weeks and do.

897
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.

898
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: Really it's it would be a bit surreal once I

899
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: go and do it, I guess. But it's like I said,

900
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: it just feels normal almost for me. Like I always

901
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: knew i'd be in this position, and I always knew that.

902
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: I've got it written down in a book that you know,

903
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: i'd fight and beat this guy before he came into

904
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 3: my division.

905
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: So it's you've been gunning him for a long time.

906
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: I just knew it was inevitable. I knew that he'd

907
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 3: be moving up, and I knew that when my chance

908
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: come up, I just thought, how tim it would work.

909
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: I'd fight this guy and I'd have to beat him.

910
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: And so it's something I've almost manifested, and I just

911
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 3: always thought i'd be here and you know, it would

912
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: be normal, and it'll be the same once I win

913
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: this fight.

914
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: You don't pick on the little fellers, is little bit,

915
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: because like what we're talking about, with someone like you,

916
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: there's only i'd say every three or four years someone

917
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: separates from the pack and he's thought of as a

918
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: pound pound for pound or someone that no one wants

919
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: to take on. You're looking at him, go, I wouldn't

920
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: mind the piece of piece of that gutsy move.

921
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's it's just stuff that he excites me.

922
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: If you want to make your own greatness, you've got

923
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: to go out and do great things. And that's what

924
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: I'm setting out to do. You know, I'm not in

925
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: this sport to to, you know, just knock about and

926
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: win a few regional titles or whatever. I'm in this

927
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: sport to be great and to be a world champion.

928
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 3: He's got all the belts and he's got what I want.

929
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: So and I've never built anyone up to be more

930
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: than human. Like everyone's calling him a monster. And he's

931
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: a great fighter, don't get me wrong, great fighter, but

932
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: he's beatable.

933
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: Everyone's beatable.

934
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: It's high level sport, you know, so on any given day,

935
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: anyone can be beaten. I know that, and you know,

936
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 3: I know I've got to be very good, and I'm

937
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: preparing myself to be that, so I'll work myself into

938
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 3: the ground to go and do a job on him.

939
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: Okay, you're word on the street. That's how we roll

940
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: in eye catch killers. I've got a rumor that's been

941
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: passing around about my and you mentioned Brendan. You mentioned

942
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson losing the Buster Douglas in takeout Sam. There

943
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: was one fight that you looked up to, apparently that's

944
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: at a very early age, Mike Tyson, and in fact

945
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: you dress like him and acted like him. Black boots.

946
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: If anyone's iconic photos of Mike Tyson, he's in his

947
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: black shorts, He's got his black boxing boots on and

948
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: doing the peekaboo style with his hands up near his face. Yeah,

949
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: bob bobbing them weaving. Tell us about that these photos

950
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: of it, and if there are, I promise you will

951
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: put it on our social media.

952
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of footage of me coming out

953
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: for me first flight, and yeah, it's just crazy, like

954
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: I think we made maybe Mum sprayed my boots black

955
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I've got black shorts I think

956
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: third fight or whatever.

957
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was.

958
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: It's funny to look back on now, and especially how

959
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: I was trying to box man, how that kid thought

960
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: he was ever going to do anything.

961
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: He's just crazy.

962
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: But it just goes to show you you put in

963
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: the work, you know, and you stay consistent, you keep

964
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: out things you know, you will get better. Because yeah,

965
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: I didn't have much talent at all when I started out.

966
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: You had attitude and how to go. If Tyson can

967
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: do it, I can do it. There was something about him,

968
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: the way he came out in the ring. But because

969
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: it was a little bit different for.

970
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: Your factor at the back, strayed black. Yeah it was.

971
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: It was very unlike Tyson like but and especially the

972
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: way I thought, as well, bring in some bombs. So

973
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a straight shot. So that's maybe

974
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 3: the only comparison I could could rader Mic.

975
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 5: To be fair, you probably looked more like Mike Tyson.

976
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: I was probably closer to Mike the other week, and like.

977
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bit sad. It was a little bit,

978
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: but we all got dragged into it. I got dragged

979
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: into it. Sat there, got I was disappointed how the

980
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: fight went. We're talking about the fight with Jake Paul

981
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: and Mike Tyson, But when on reflection, I was excited

982
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: in the build up to it.

983
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it got me going to get everyone every time.

984
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, if you're a tragic like I'll watch everything

985
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: like from the UFC to the boxing, all the all

986
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: the sideshow stuff, and the people who have a problem

987
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: with it simple answers don't watch it, and they all

988
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: do and they all tune in, they all buy it,

989
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: and it's like, what did you think. He's nearly sixty

990
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: years old, and you know, it's great to have a

991
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: bit of nostalgia. And you know, people think he's going

992
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: to come out. They see a three second clip of

993
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 3: edited and you know, he almost I couldn't move like.

994
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: It looked like they trained him from the waist up

995
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: but not the waist out, like he had the movements

996
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: in the arms, but the feet.

997
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: You look at the pad videos and the padman's doing

998
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: more work and it looks unreally like the people are gone.

999
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: Man, he's good.

1000
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: He's going to knock JQ. I'm you're talking about a

1001
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: twenty eight year old guy who's I'll give him his dues.

1002
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: He's actually had a bit of a go, and you

1003
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: know he's tried to learn the sport. I'm not saying

1004
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: he's a good boxer by no means, but he's he's

1005
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: tried to learn the sport.

1006
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: He's kept at it for a little bit. He's going

1007
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 2: to be handy, and he's fighting a six year old man.

1008
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: He's putting himself out there, and you know, everyone it's

1009
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson's that little bit a little bit

1010
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: different him to the rest of us. But yeah, it

1011
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: got me. But I'm fascinated, fascinated. You've watched Sam's career,

1012
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: You've been following his Sam's career and building up What

1013
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: type of fighter would you describe Sam as?

1014
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 4: I think the Ghost is an accurate, accurate sort of

1015
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 4: nickname because he's elusive. He moves really well, very skillful,

1016
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 4: but he'll get you too, like he'll nab you. So

1017
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: I think that's what it is. Like you say, yeah,

1018
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 4: you wanted to be Mike Tyson Sam, but you maybe

1019
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 4: didn't have that sort of power being a smaller guy.

1020
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: So you have to be more technical, more proficient, you know,

1021
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 4: very tight, very precise. So it's a different kind of

1022
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: I suppose style to your your heavier fighters. But there's

1023
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 4: a very there's a really there's a real beauty and

1024
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: the way that like Sam and the guys that he's

1025
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 4: taken after Lomachenko fight, and the way they prepare and

1026
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: the way they sort of break down opponents rather than

1027
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 4: this you know, one punch knockout stuff. It's a real

1028
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 4: art to it.

1029
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: You certainly your fitness and your movement. That's what I

1030
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: picked up on. But I was also not surprised, but

1031
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: I thought your defense, So I really saw your defense

1032
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: working as well. You weren't or you're rolling with the

1033
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: punches or yeah, not get not getting caught. So what's

1034
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: in a way it's dangerous, what's I'll ask you first,

1035
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: and then Sam, we won't we won't drag you into

1036
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: it because we don't want him to get an inside

1037
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: knowledge when he's listening to White catch kills as I'm

1038
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: sure he will cheat will give him nothing.

1039
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: For me, it's it's it's his power. It's his power

1040
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 4: and his strength. But he's always just had this aura,

1041
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 4: like for five six years. You go into an Na

1042
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 4: fight and it's it's appointment viewing because he's the best

1043
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 4: at what he does, but you just kind of know

1044
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: that he's he's gonna win eventually. But I feel like Sam,

1045
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: you were there for the neary fight earlier this year,

1046
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: and he got knocked down. And eventually time catches up

1047
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 4: to everyone and he's going up. He's coming up divisions.

1048
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 4: He's still the peak, he's still had the peak. He's

1049
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 4: still number one. But sooner or later, there'll be chinks,

1050
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: there'll be cracks. He got knocked down earlier this year,

1051
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: and you never know. You know, Sam's like you say,

1052
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 4: super fit, been training, well, you've been preparing for this

1053
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: fight for a year and a half.

1054
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 5: This could be could be the time.

1055
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: Like as much as we've been talking up in a

1056
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: way as this unbeatable monster. Yes it's Sam Sam. I

1057
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 4: think he's going to get him at the right time.

1058
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: Great, we're lulling in a way into a full sense

1059
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: of security. That's all. We'll wind it back. More rumors

1060
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: on the street round Erskineville. It was brought to my

1061
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: attention that your mum the probably your rest of the

1062
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: family son. You're going to have a trade to fall

1063
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: back on if this doesn't work out. And you've done

1064
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: your hard labor two weeks working on her building site.

1065
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: What happened after your side in the contract And we're

1066
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: not going into the money, but it's a significant amount

1067
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: of money that you're getting for this fight, and there's

1068
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: life changing. But what was the comment that you picked

1069
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: up the phone once the contracted been signed to your mother.

1070
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: I just had to let her know that I'd be

1071
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 3: digging a few holes to turn that sort of money. Yeah,

1072
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: I think her and my dad were on the on

1073
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: the drink for a good week after I signed that,

1074
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: so they had a few So I think it was

1075
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: a bit of a relief almost for your mum the

1076
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: last few years as well, like she's been you know,

1077
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: she hasn't worried about it, and my mum has always

1078
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: been super supportive. But I think just starting out, you know,

1079
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem when you're fighting for fifteen hundred.

1080
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: On a show or whatever.

1081
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't seem like there's any sort of

1082
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: pathway to Everyone's always telling you as well, there's no

1083
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: money in box.

1084
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: And you're here repeatedly everyone, So.

1085
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: You're constantly getting told that by promoters, people that manage fighters,

1086
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's you make what you make

1087
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: of the sport for yourself and that's all it is.

1088
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're constantly told that you're up against it, and.

1089
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're brought up. It's not only the battles

1090
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: in the ring, it's battles outside the ring to get

1091
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: this fight. Soquedos to the people that have got you

1092
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: to this fight? Do we have to do? We have

1093
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: to do? We have to He's done very well for me,

1094
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: So now we're only because he's sitting in the in

1095
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: the studio and we like just putting giving it to

1096
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: him a bit as he does to all of us

1097
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: sitting here in the room. But yeah, your management, Peter

1098
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: Matreski and others that you like to mention that, yeah,

1099
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: have managed to navigate their way through a real cut

1100
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: throat well.

1101
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: Under you know, I like to give him heaps as well.

1102
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 3: But when when I first signed with him as well,

1103
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: he you know, he saved me from you know, sign

1104
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: with another promoter where I was almost looking at a contract.

1105
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 3: And because you need people to invest in your career,

1106
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: and it gets to a point where like you can't

1107
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 3: do it on your own, li like unless you're you're

1108
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: already got a lot of money behind you. So it's

1109
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: it's not something you can invest in yourself and.

1110
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: And make it work.

1111
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: You've got to be paying sanctioning fees for rankings. You've

1112
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: got your opponents cost an absolute bomb, so you need

1113
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: promoters to back her. And look, working with Baby, you

1114
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: got me, got me the best deal at the time,

1115
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: and it was Yeah, that that almost like straightaway change

1116
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: the trajectory of where everything was going on for me.

1117
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: So went from you know, my coach is having to

1118
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: tip in money, money for opponents, and you know, like

1119
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of dollars and to you know, I'm

1120
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: starting to be able to pay some money back to

1121
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: my coaches and.

1122
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: They know and start faith in you.

1123
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 2: And exactly right they are.

1124
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: They invested heavily, you know, especially starting out to get fights.

1125
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 3: And this is at fights, not even in my weight division,

1126
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 3: not for not for belts, just to just to keep

1127
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: me active. And they're paying opponents that you you know,

1128
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: you would think that's that's crazy money. How they're they're

1129
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 3: getting that, And then I'm fighting for fifteen hundred dollars,

1130
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not making any money. But yeah, as

1131
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 3: soon as you know, Baby came on board, he got us,

1132
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: a got us a very good deal, and you know,

1133
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: all that went and I've finally been able to start,

1134
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 3: you know, paying paying back some money to my coaches

1135
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 3: to a point where you know it's pretty good now.

1136
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, full full credit to your whole team. And also

1137
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: in regards to Peter as we refer to as Baby,

1138
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: he's actually fought for a title over in the over

1139
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: in Japan.

1140
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: Yes, we're already want to know, against his team, so

1141
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: he beat one of the cornermen.

1142
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: So he's never worried about those semi warriors, so never.

1143
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: So we're taking that we're already one up so when

1144
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 3: we go over there.

1145
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: But it's all it's all good experience. And I saw

1146
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: you when we came up watching your spa the other

1147
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: day and even Johnny Lewis having a quiet word in

1148
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: your ear and speaking to Joel and all that type

1149
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: of that's all these pieces that you need to come together,

1150
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: isn't it exactly all the experience?

1151
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: Well, touching on like speaking to guys like Johnny, the

1152
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 3: guy that's been there and done it. And that's when

1153
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: I'm talking about your drawing motivation from people listening to

1154
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 3: the right things. Guys like that who have they've been there,

1155
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: they've done it, they've they've seen it all. They're the

1156
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: sort of people that you know you've got those you

1157
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 3: always listen, listen to you, and you're clutching onto every

1158
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: word they say because you know they they've been around

1159
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 3: the sport. So and then like guys like my coach Stoll,

1160
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: and you know he's just I think the smartest man

1161
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: in boxing. So they're the sort of guys you lean

1162
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: on for advice and you get a lot of confidence

1163
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: from having those sort of people around as well.

1164
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine you would Brendan just on the

1165
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: navigating the fight, like the fight world, just not just

1166
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: Sam's career, talking talking about that how brutal it is,

1167
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: trying to manage your way through. It's a cup freak world.

1168
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: And it's not by chance that we have a lot

1169
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: of people linked to boxing that come into this podcast.

1170
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: I catch killers, if you know what I mean. But

1171
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: the crossover, Yeah, that's a nice way of putting it.

1172
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: There's a crossover. But it is a ruthless business, isn't it.

1173
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 5: Yah?

1174
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 4: It is. And to even get to this point, to

1175
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: get Sam in a position to fight for all these titles,

1176
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 4: just to get here as a minor miracle, like you

1177
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: need so many things to go your way, not just

1178
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 4: in the ring results injuries, but having the right people

1179
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 4: the money, the sponsors, the right kinds of fights, you know,

1180
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 4: with the right sanctioning bodies to get rankings and stuff.

1181
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 4: It's it's really a crazy thing that so many people

1182
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 4: have pulled together just to be able to get to

1183
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 4: this point. Like you say, it wasn't that long ago

1184
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 4: you were you were paying for opponents to come down

1185
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 4: and things like that, and I think we might have

1186
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 4: spoken about it before, but well maybe on you amateur

1187
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 4: days you used to host fights at the footy club

1188
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 4: at Albion Park down there. Like to go from there

1189
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 4: to to this level of fight is quite amazing.

1190
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: That was all to raise money and pretty much go

1191
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 3: and use that money to compete overseas and and stuff

1192
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: like that. So it's yeah, it's a lot of the

1193
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: time that that sort of stuff. It's just investing in

1194
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 3: yourself and you spend all those years starting out. You've

1195
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 3: got to put that sort of investment in it. It

1196
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: is tough, you know, It's it's very tough, and sometimes

1197
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 3: you do just need some scenario as a look at,

1198
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 3: and not with any of my flights, but around just

1199
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 3: how things worked out. You need a little bit of

1200
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 3: luck as well, and I've had plenty of that like

1201
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 3: even with getting baby on board, like that was all

1202
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 3: from him watching one spa and making a couple of

1203
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 3: phone calls bang, And then you know, I look at

1204
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 3: how that's turned out for me and how things things

1205
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: have changed from that moment, and that's led me to

1206
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: the position on me so that some stuff is just

1207
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: right place, right time.

1208
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 4: And your last fight, you busted your hand, and then

1209
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: I know, a couple of days after it was like, jeez,

1210
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 4: the anyway fight might be gone.

1211
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 5: There's just so such fine margins that.

1212
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 3: Broke my hand in two spots, and it was I

1213
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: was lucky to under undersplaced fractures, didn't have to go

1214
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: under the knife.

1215
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: So little little stuff that just work out in your favor.

1216
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: And you can think.

1217
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: It's faded or whatever. I just I believe you're putting

1218
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: putting the right work. You put in hard work, and

1219
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: you have good people around, good things will happen, and

1220
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: that will happen for a reason. So I think that's

1221
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: what's all led me to this point. I've done the

1222
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: right stuff, I've done the right work, I've listened to

1223
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 3: the right people, and here we are ready to shock

1224
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: the world.

1225
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely no shortcuts too. By the way, you've gone about it,

1226
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: you haven't, haven't taken the easy path. Well, we'll wrap

1227
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: it up, but before we do, I think it'd be

1228
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: remiss with me not to mention the mad Bunch. There's

1229
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: quite intellectual group of Sam's friends. Just a couple of

1230
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: quite some quiet guys, quietly spoken. Yeah, consider him respectful. Brennan,

1231
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of things in boxing. Could you

1232
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: describe the mad.

1233
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 4: Bunch and mad Well? The mad Bunch. So I've run

1234
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 4: this by Baby. I'm allowed to tell the story. I

1235
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 4: wasn't allowed to write it last year when it happened.

1236
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 4: So Sam was fighting Ray Salim on the Gold Coast

1237
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 4: I think it was June twenty twenty three, on a

1238
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 4: Tim Zoo undercard.

1239
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 5: Is it maybe to get a ranking or go number

1240
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 5: one man?

1241
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so to go to go to mandatory Raceelems come

1242
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 4: down from America the night before the fights. I don't

1243
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 4: know how many of the Mad Bunch, A couple of them,

1244
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 4: five to ten, maybe find Salim's hotel room or where

1245
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 4: he's staying. They ring them, they're ringing them, They're ringing

1246
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 4: them saying it's a sarta or you started drug testers.

1247
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 4: This is at midnight and then knock on his door.

1248
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 4: But this is this is all part of the.

1249
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 5: Game.

1250
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: This is all boxing. This could be a baby pete

1251
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 4: cheers you wind up. I'm not sure, but this the

1252
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 4: yard's too good.

1253
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: Well it must it must help you see him having

1254
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: mates like that. And full credit to you because a

1255
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: lot of people that come up in whatever field in life,

1256
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: not just boxing, but other that brush their mates aside.

1257
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: But it's clearly your you're rising, but you're bringing your

1258
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: friends with it, and I think it helps keep you grounded.

1259
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: But it's also shows respect to your mates.

1260
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

1261
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 3: If you looked in all our group chats and stuff,

1262
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 3: I'm probably the one that cops it the most. So yeah,

1263
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: you definitely can't get ahead of yourself or I think

1264
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 3: you're too big for your boot. It's like I can't

1265
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 3: get a photo with someone about with when one of

1266
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: my mates a bit about them taking a photo of

1267
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: the photo getting taken.

1268
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: Like it's the night there.

1269
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, it definitely keeps you grounded. But it's good.

1270
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: You know, you always have the same people you started with.

1271
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: And you know, I've never never even it's been a

1272
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: thought or whatever. I think that comes from my family

1273
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: and how exactly right. And you know if you lose that,

1274
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 3: yeah you've got nothing in life. So you always got

1275
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 3: the ones you started with, and yeah, that's how it's

1276
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: going to be to day I'll go out.

1277
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: I think the crew that you've got round, they're going

1278
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: to be for you, there for the good times, bad times,

1279
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: or if you gathering people on your way up as

1280
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: soon as and you see it in boxing, you would

1281
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: have seen it, like a lot of people love hanging

1282
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: around the winter. If someone starts to lose a lot

1283
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: of people.

1284
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: And you can sense the people that are there for

1285
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: the right reasons and the people that aren't as well.

1286
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 3: So I think it's just a simple way to keep it.

1287
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah you've got the same circle that you're

1288
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 3: arted with and you know you just crack on doing

1289
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: your own thing and worrying about that. So that's like

1290
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: I said, I've I've got the same mates, same same

1291
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: group of people I've always had, and you dragging with

1292
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: me all to the top.

1293
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: So that's that's a plan.

1294
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: What to watch the fight Christmas Eve? What time is

1295
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: it going to be on the you know time difference?

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Speaker 3: I reckon probably over here I'd say eleven perven eleven pm, So.

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Speaker 4: Okay, nine thirty baby pieces, nine thirty over here that start.

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01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, two hour time difference to Japan and seven thirty.

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Speaker 1: Great, So we've just missed the fight up make sure

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01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: you turn up on time. Well, look, Sam, I've really

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01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: enjoyed having the chat today. I've enjoyed following your career

1302
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: and I've got that much admiration for what you're aspiring

1303
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: to a chuir and yeah, like full full credit to you,

1304
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: no shortcuts, and yeah you're a normal bloke chasing the

1305
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: dream that most of us just dream we don't actually

1306
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: actually chase it, so full full credit to you.

1307
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: Thanks mate, Thanks for having having me on, and yeah

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to do it. And next time here

1309
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: i'll hear of all the.

1310
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: Belts, bring all the belts in. Then we'll be getting

1311
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Speaker 1: some baby can get a favor of me holding the

1312
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Speaker 1: belts and Brendan yourself, and yeah, thanks for giving an

1313
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Speaker 1: insight into that and you're looking forward to the fight.

1314
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait. Thanks for having me on and

1315
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 4: love love talking boxing, and thanks for Sam letting me

1316
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 4: be a small part of this journey. Getting to see

1317
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 4: it up close is the dream, same thing sort of

1318
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: you know, I was watching Mike Tyson in the nineties

1319
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 4: on the Lounger and Florida. So to be able to

1320
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 4: get this close to it and see what it's like

1321
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 4: and see what it's all about as a dream come true.

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01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 5: So you can't wait for this one.

1323
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Speaker 1: It's exciting. Thanks guys, Thanks Sam, good luck with it.

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Speaker 2: Jeers Manitches maybe and that

1325
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Speaker 1: To Die