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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Cricket podcast

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Speaker 1: The follow on. My name is Courtney Walsh and today

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Speaker 1: we will be joined by two of Australia's leading cricket

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Speaker 1: writers and analysts in Robert Cratick from The Courier Mail

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Speaker 1: and Daniel Cherney from Code Sports. You can read their

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Speaker 1: fine words across the Code Sports network over the summer.

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Speaker 1: The Summer of cricket is officially upon us, with Australia

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Speaker 1: A hosting India AA in Mackay. As we speak, Pakistan

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Speaker 1: will host will play Australia in white ball cricket over

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Speaker 1: the next fortnight, beginning with a one day clash at

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Speaker 1: the MCGM Melbourne Cup Eve Monday night, while the first

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Speaker 1: Test between India and Australia is now just three weeks away. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the nation's leading female cricketers are honing their form in

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Speaker 1: domestic cricket ahead of a series against India next month,

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Speaker 1: with the women's ashes just two months away. As always,

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Speaker 1: you can watch every ball from the first to the

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Speaker 1: last live on Fox Cricket and KO Sports through the summer.

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Speaker 2: Remember we are the home of cricket.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, Robin Dan lots to discuss really

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Speaker 1: is an exciting time for cricket, just around the corner

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Speaker 1: of the one days beginning on Monday night at the MCG.

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Speaker 1: But firstly match underway already Australia a versus Indy Ra

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Speaker 1: in Mackay. It's been so much discussion already over the

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Speaker 1: last month about the opening battle the bat off. Not

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Speaker 1: that Andrew McDonald, the Australian coacher, likes us that phrase

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Speaker 1: as so who will partner usmand Kwaja in Perth on

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Speaker 1: November twenty two crash?

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Speaker 2: Is too much discussion about cricket too much?

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Speaker 1: Or are we happy with where we are at with

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Speaker 1: Australia A the four batsman in contention, Sam Constace, Nathan

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Speaker 1: Marcus Harris.

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Speaker 2: What have you made of the discussion so far?

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Speaker 3: Button, You've got to say I've loved it because the

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Speaker 3: cricket season sort of sneaks up upon us like a

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Speaker 3: rising tide. I mean, rugby league goes to Last Vegas

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Speaker 3: and goes compal So we need talking points, we need

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Speaker 3: a bit of emotion and I'm loving the debate here personally.

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Speaker 3: A snapshot of it I so hope they go young

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Speaker 3: with either Sam Constance or even Nathan McSweeney. That would

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Speaker 3: be fine, but I just need to go back to

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Speaker 3: Harrishaw Bankdroft. That would mean every member of the team

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Speaker 3: would be older than thirty for per. I mean, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: we're an aging team, but we don't need to be

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Speaker 3: like that. So I just hope they go yp.

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Speaker 4: And Dan.

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Speaker 1: Look, I was at the MCG this morning the extension

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Speaker 1: of Andrew McDonald's coach through to the twenty twenty seven season,

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Speaker 1: and he's been very big and George Bailey's been very

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Speaker 1: big on picking the team for the now. But he

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Speaker 1: is mindful, of course, and there's going to be some

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Speaker 1: challenging discussions in the next three to four years with

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Speaker 1: some of those batsmen over thirty, and of course we've

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Speaker 2: So I suppose a case of who do we look for?

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Speaker 1: Are you in Crash's corner, are you someone who thinks

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Speaker 1: Andrew McDonald said, he's a Victorian of course, but outside

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Speaker 1: the MCG, he said, it's not that long ago that

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Speaker 1: Marcus Harris knocked up a really important seventy against England

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Speaker 2: There's some different conditions.

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Speaker 1: We know how lively the gabber could be under lights

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Speaker 1: last summer against Pakistan. Is it too much to throw

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Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily a believer that it's too soon to

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Speaker 5: McSweeney into tenth cricket, but I'm probably not quite as

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Speaker 5: strong as Crash on the need to blood youth for

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Speaker 5: the sake of blooding youth. Ultimately, every test is important,

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Speaker 5: particularly in a World Test Championship era, and it's India

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Speaker 6: I think Avin Bancroft would.

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Speaker 5: Be the rank outsider of those four, but by the

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Speaker 6: The team or back into the team.

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Speaker 5: In Kawaja's case, I think it was thirty five when

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Speaker 5: I think there are other avenues where they are able

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, if maybe, if absolutely all other

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Speaker 6: Know, I would go, maybe are on the side of youth,

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Speaker 5: You know, it would be nice to get some younger

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Speaker 5: But I wouldn't be prioritizing it per se.

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Speaker 1: And before we get to the I suppose the longer

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot to look forward.

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Speaker 1: To over the next couple of weeks, both from the

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Speaker 1: the women's domestic cricket with the WBBL underway as we speak,

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Speaker 1: just on the white ball white ball games to come

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Speaker 1: beginning at the mcg next Monday. Andrew McDonald again this morning,

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Speaker 2: Dan, what are you looking forward to? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Jake Fraser McGirk, is it? Is it seen if someone

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Speaker 1: like a Stearns can re establish themselves with a view

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Speaker 5: It is funny, I mean the Champions Trophy, that the

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Speaker 5: sort of it's getting excited for sort of a somewhat

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Speaker 5: second to your event. Anyway, the building, I don't think

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Speaker 5: there's too many in Australia that live and die by

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Speaker 6: A bit more to this particular series.

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Speaker 5: In terms of what I'm looking forward to in these

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Speaker 6: And I'm not sure where that since we both.

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Speaker 5: Obviously all the tests to both of those guys expecting kids.

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Speaker 5: But I think that chance for Jake Fraser McGurk to

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Speaker 5: Matt Short has probably edged ahead of him in the race,

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Speaker 5: player as Fraser McGurk, but his performances have been very

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Speaker 5: The Marcus Dunis return is an interesting one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Rob, I'm very much in your bracket in terms of

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Speaker 1: looking to the next generation in Parcas. I love hearing

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Speaker 1: about newcomers coming through. I love reading the stories learning

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Speaker 1: more about players. It's san constaus over the last month,

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Speaker 1: but it was Jake Fraser McGirk throughout last summer, and

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Speaker 1: from him should he be playing, where does the best fit?

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Speaker 1: Is he a red ball player? What can we expect

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Speaker 4: Look, he's so interesting, isn't he?

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Speaker 3: And I sort of like the fact he's not perfect

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Speaker 3: and that says to me he's having his pavelover before

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Speaker 3: He's a smasher. He goes from ball one Jake Fraser

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Speaker 3: There was a lovely second year, a hidden second gear

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Speaker 3: in Warner's batting, And that's what I reckon. Phraser McGirk

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Speaker 4: I'm really not.

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Speaker 3: I love the fact they're giving him free reign and

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Speaker 3: he's got this beautiful bad arc. He's lovely when he's

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Speaker 3: us you've got to have your meat and potatoes, even

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Speaker 3: And I've got an eye on Cooper Coronnolly to the

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Speaker 3: young Western Australia all rounder. The one type of cricketer

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Speaker 3: Australia has never produced in its lengthy Test history is

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Speaker 3: he's a hitter and he's a left arm spinner. But

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Speaker 3: right here, right now, he's my smoky for India at

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Speaker 3: the end of next season. He started the season very nicely.

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Speaker 3: Former Australia Under nine end captain seems to like the pressure.

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Speaker 3: So there's two to watch in the short game against Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's to look forward to there now. Etiquette in

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Speaker 1: sports an important thing, and we know even in the

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Speaker 1: you want.

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Speaker 2: To clean up afterwards.

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Speaker 1: so ago for Victoria versus New South Wales. It featured

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Speaker 1: top liners, you know, several incumbents in the Test team

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Speaker 1: and obviously those who had played one day and also t.

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Speaker 2: Twenty for the nation.

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Speaker 1: But there was that curious press conference on the second

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Speaker 1: day when Smith he'd lost his wicket, he'd been okay

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Speaker 1: but only made three runs from twenty nine balls. It

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Speaker 1: was a case of who said what and when was

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Speaker 1: what said? You know, he was very clean clearly to

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Speaker 1: put his foot forward in terms of what had happened

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Speaker 1: in that discussion as to whether he would return to

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Speaker 1: number four. It's a really curious time for these champions,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 5: And look, I mean Coley's ark has been remarkable of itself,

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Speaker 5: but really he went through that long, long stretch, didn't

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Speaker 5: make an international century, certainly not a Test century, which

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Speaker 5: I think ended in Amedabad last year.

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Speaker 6: But the numbers are quite clear.

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Speaker 5: He's not the player he was and the sat Nat

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Speaker 5: moment really exemplifies that.

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Speaker 6: And look, this is a very conventional arc for a

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Speaker 6: lot of greats.

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Speaker 5: I mean they have his Crashot has often said, and

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Speaker 5: they have these three or four outstanding seasons where they

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Speaker 5: they're up there with the gods, and then from there

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Speaker 5: it's you know that you go back to being a

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Speaker 5: mere immortal. The Smith storyline though that this probably fascinates

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Speaker 5: me just about more than any other because it is

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Speaker 5: the Smith, because he is quite arguably the best Australian

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Speaker 5: player batter we've seen since the dawn, and this whole

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Speaker 5: situation where he moved up to the opener seemingly engineered

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Speaker 5: significantly by himself.

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Speaker 6: He planted the seed, the selectors.

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Speaker 5: And the coaches were happy enough to go along with

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Speaker 5: his his preference.

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Speaker 6: And then the move back down and that sort of

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Speaker 6: very gradual sort of softening of his position. Initially it

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Speaker 6: was I'm not bays were about and.

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Speaker 5: Then he saw some of the other guys coming out

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Speaker 5: and saying that they hoped he moved back down.

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Speaker 4: Itself.

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Speaker 6: Was interesting was when Kawaja been very strong on that front,

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Speaker 6: and yeah, that that press conference that he.

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Speaker 5: Did, he was very very keen clearly that he touched

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Speaker 5: on Courtney to get that position across. That he didn't

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Speaker 5: in his words, he didn't ask, he didn't demand to

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Speaker 5: move back down.

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Speaker 6: He was given.

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Speaker 5: He was asked what his preference was, and he said

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Speaker 5: his preference was no longer to open the bating it

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Speaker 5: was about at four, but that ultimately it would be,

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Speaker 5: you know, whatever the team wanted, whatever was in the

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Speaker 5: best interest of the team. Now, clearly it seems he's

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Speaker 5: going to return to number four, But you know, reading

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Speaker 5: between the lines, you got the sense that he was

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Speaker 5: not overly thrilled with the way George Bailey that the

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Speaker 5: selection chair unilaterally came out at that press conference the

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Speaker 5: previous week when announcing with the Australia A Squad and

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Speaker 5: relay that Smith's desire had been to bat down the

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Speaker 5: order because he didn't have to do that, George, he

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Speaker 5: wasn't if he asked directly about that to start with.

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Speaker 6: And the whole politics.

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Speaker 5: And secrecy around who might have opened the batting if

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Speaker 5: not for the Cameron Green injury and how that all

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Speaker 5: would have panned out has been a very interesting byproduct

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Speaker 5: or side.

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Speaker 6: Story in the lead up to this Test Theories, and really.

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Speaker 5: To go back to the very start of our chat,

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Speaker 5: you know that is really it has added a lot

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Speaker 5: of color and flavor to the build up to this

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Speaker 5: Theories because there has been a genuinely interesting and compelling

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Speaker 5: and live storyline, as opposed to some of the pantomime

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Speaker 5: stories which sometimes become topical in the lead up to

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Speaker 5: Big Test series.

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Speaker 1: Look, speaking of goats, Nathan Lyon clearly a champion off

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Speaker 1: spinner and he's signaled all the way through last summer

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Speaker 1: that he's keen to continue on through to twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: seven basically through the through to almost forty which with

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Speaker 1: Andrew McDonald lixed in in his contract and some certainty

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Speaker 1: instability around the leadership. There's clearly a lot of faith

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Speaker 1: in the Australian team as to who they've got out

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Speaker 1: there in terms of the guys in their thirties. But

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Speaker 1: the Lion versus the battery of Indian spin bowlers, it

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Speaker 1: fascinates me as well. Now we know that there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of reliance obviously on the Australian pace

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Speaker 1: trio whether they can get through the entire summer. Cummens, Hazel,

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Speaker 1: Wooden Stark in there in the early thirties to mid thirties.

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Speaker 1: Now Chammy being out is clearly an issue for India.

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Speaker 1: Andrew McDonald made that clear today thinking that BMRA was

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Speaker 1: it works so much better with jammy partner. But when

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Speaker 1: we look at the spinners, Lion, I think going back

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Speaker 1: to the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen series, he almost had

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Speaker 1: the better. I think he took twenty one wickets at

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Speaker 1: twenty seven versus the eighteen wickets at twenty five for

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Speaker 1: Jed Asia, Ashwan and Caldet. But then in the most

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Speaker 1: recent tour. Clearly the Indians had the better the twenty

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Speaker 1: three wickets at twenty seven. Ashwan are the star but

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Speaker 1: very well supported by Jadasia and Sunda. Where's Nathan only

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Speaker 1: what nine wickets at at fifty five played the four Tests?

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Speaker 1: It was a tricky one last summer around for Nathan.

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Speaker 1: That battle will be intriguing and I'm sure it will

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Speaker 1: go a long way to deciding whether or not Australia

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Speaker 1: can win.

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Speaker 3: I often think with Nathan Lyon that infinitive quote came

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Speaker 3: from Stuart Broad where he said every Ashes tour it's

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Speaker 3: the same with Lyon. We barely mentioned him at team meetings.

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Speaker 3: We go and of course Lyon and he said, I'm

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Speaker 3: sick and tired of doing that, and then he ends

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Speaker 3: up with twenty five wickets at twenty eight. He said,

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Speaker 3: we always underestimated now India did for a while, but

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Speaker 3: last time they turned up with a plan and it

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Speaker 3: worked very well. It looked to me as if they

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Speaker 3: were doing bish and battizole. Line with line, as in

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Speaker 3: with the pitch of the ball. You either get as

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Speaker 3: absolutely close to it as you can or as far

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Speaker 3: away from as you can. They use their feet really

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Speaker 3: well and he struggled, He struggled to break through and

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Speaker 3: by the end of it you could tell he was

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Speaker 3: quietly exasperated against the Indians. So what have they got

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Speaker 3: this time? It'll be fascinating to see, because you know,

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Speaker 3: Barrats and Eurasian, who's as good a judge of Indian

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Speaker 3: creed as there is, said he said, look at what

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Speaker 3: Mitchell Santna did to him. Yes it was a turning deck,

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Speaker 3: but he said, Indian against spin, they're not that great.

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Speaker 4: They're not as great as people think they are.

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Speaker 3: And I think maybe the sant naway he's a good

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Speaker 3: white ball ball of Mitchell Sander. He hasn't done much

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Speaker 3: in tests, but evolved very straight to them and plug

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Speaker 3: their strengths. And I think we'll see a little bit

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Speaker 3: of that from Nathan Lyon. He'll make them play a

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Speaker 3: lot and say you miss, I'm going to hit. But

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Speaker 3: it's a huge series for him. There's no question Australia

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Speaker 3: has got an aging attack. It's a tight series. They

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Speaker 3: will change the attack and he's got to be the

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Speaker 3: achorman all the way through.

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Speaker 1: Look, gentlemen, so much look forward to I could talk

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Speaker 1: to you both for.

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Speaker 2: Hours and hours.

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Speaker 1: Luckily, I'm going to have that chance through the Australian

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Speaker 1: summer and I'm looking forward to seeing you both in

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Speaker 1: Perth for that opening Test of the summer.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 1: You can read their fine work at the Courier Mail

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Speaker 1: and also on Code Sports throughout the summer. As always,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. You can watch every ball,

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