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Speaker 1: might have been declared some years ago. But the Adelaide

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Speaker 1: council wants to revisit that and ratify it yet again.

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Speaker 1: Kieran Snape, the council are calling for that to happen. Kieran,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Thank you for your time. Is that the case?

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Speaker 1: Are we officially in the city of Adelaide a nuclear

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Speaker 2: We have been since nineteen ninety five, okay, But what

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Speaker 2: happened in June. I was approached by some constituents who

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Speaker 2: wanted us to sign the City's Appeal, which is a

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Speaker 2: new push to get cities across the world to effectively

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Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. So we moved that motion in June. It

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Speaker 2: And look, it was really mundane stuff and it should

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Speaker 2: have passed with very little fans there, but unfortunately one

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Speaker 1: Why do you think this is such a big deal

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Speaker 1: and primarily isn't this outside Council's pay grade frankly about

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, you're right, to be honest. It is such

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Speaker 2: that's why it's a no brainer. Council is entitled to

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Speaker 2: make its view known about things, but then we need

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Speaker 1: It isn't even having the motion a waste of heavery

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Speaker 2: Well? I think it's important when constituents reach out to

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Speaker 2: that is within the purview of global government. Either motion

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Speaker 2: I think that was perfectly within the remit of my

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Speaker 1: How does it sit with the federal and state governments

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Speaker 2: Well, look, you're never going to get all governments, all

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Speaker 2: Symbolism is important, thing is important. Thing, words are important,

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Speaker 1: Okay, simple as that, all right, Kieran's night. Appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Well, Karen Snaper's correct, Symbols are important and the symbol

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Speaker 1: Is a real shame I reckon because I'd pay good

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Speaker 1: I think Kuran Snake might still be on the line.

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Speaker 3: Are you there, Kieran, Yes, I'm still here.

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Speaker 1: What about nuclear waste, that's a very good issue. We

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Speaker 1: Why would why would you allow that then? I mean

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Speaker 2: Well, because we acknowledge that people need to use X rays,

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Speaker 1: Well there is indeed, But nevertheless, you want it to

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Speaker 3: Or don't you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want it to be free of nuclear weapons

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Speaker 2: It didn't take that long for council staff to throw

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Speaker 1: Would you acknowledge there's a problem with storing nuclear waste

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Speaker 2: That's certainly true. But once again, there is a difference

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Speaker 2: then again, I know no one's supposing that.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think in the concerns as well, is

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not, absolutely not. I think most of you can

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Speaker 2: and one can do that and one could challenge special

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Speaker 1: trying to implement this ban. Yeah, I have.

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Speaker 2: No interesting running for the schedule level. My my colleague,

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Speaker 2: Counselor Davis.

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Speaker 1: What about the state level and the departure of Tammy Franks?

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Speaker 1: Are you interested in filling her vacancy?

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the inquiry, but I put out a statement

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Speaker 2: that's been acknowledged by in Daily and the Advertiser thing,

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Speaker 2: But I have no interest in running for this bacency

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Speaker 2: and is that's because Robert Simms is already there. I

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Speaker 2: do believe that Greens need to, you know, uh, walk

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Speaker 2: and chew gum, and therefore it should be walking talk talk,

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Speaker 2: and therefore it should be a woman that replaces Tammy,

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Speaker 2: and we have plenty of qualified women in the Green

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Speaker 2: so I know we'll do an excellent job and help

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Speaker 2: build a party.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you for your time, Henry Davis. I

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Speaker 1: gave Kieran snape too, bites of the cherry. You can

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Speaker 1: have your second go now, anything you'd like to say

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Speaker 1: in response.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand what's happened here. He hasn't read the policy.

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Speaker 3: So the policy actually stays the nuclear freeze zone excludes

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Speaker 3: any activity associated with nuclear reactive material in its area,

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Speaker 3: so any activity activities associated with nuclear at all, including

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Speaker 3: research development, anything to that effect. And it does say

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Speaker 3: that there are no forms of call or landing rights

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Speaker 3: for any nuclear coses, including nuclear arms, all powered vessels

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Speaker 3: and aircraft. So I think I understand what's happening here

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Speaker 3: is that a council's name thought that he was moving

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Speaker 3: a nothing motion, and in fact it actually does ban

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Speaker 3: any kind of associated activities of nuclear So it is

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Speaker 3: a massive flight in the face to August. But you're

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Speaker 3: quite right, what a waste of time, what a waste

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Speaker 3: of ratepayers money, and shouldn't the council be focusing on

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Speaker 3: roads rates and abish all

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Speaker 1: Right, Henry Davis, thank you for your time, and kieran

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Speaker 1: snap from the council