1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: I get a Champs, craig An here, Harper, Tiffany and Cook. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: It is the project that's you. It's Saturday afternoon and 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: it's nine minutes past four. I've got my radio voice 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: on for some weird reason, sitting on seventeen degrees. Now 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: find City by the Bay, heading for a top of 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: nineteen tomorrow, a little bit of cloud about down some 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: early morning rain. 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: And now back to the show. Tip get I over 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: there at typ Central. 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 3: You've got quite a skill to riff like that. 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: I know that's from twenty years and twenty years, but 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: even when I did radio, I didn't talk like that anyway. 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: When we were on retreat, Jem who you've had on 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: the show, Jim Fuller who random retreat in India. He's 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: quite musical, so he actually used to have what he 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: has albums that he used to be in a band, 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: So we had albums and so he had his guitar 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: up there and he sang an eight minute song like 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: just impromptu riffing about us. And I think that is 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: incredibly talented to put a song together off the top 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: of your head and we're you know, it made us 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: laugh and it rhymed and it worked. And it's I 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: love that you can. Yes, plus your too, haven't you. 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: Well, I do have a guitar, Allen. 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: I can play guitar, and not brilliantly, by the way, 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: but I've played since I was a little kid. Still 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: got a few guitars lying around, and every now and 28 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: then I drag it out of retirement and just smash 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: my fingers for about three days and then I get 30 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: almost get callouses back, and then I put it back 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: in the cupboard. 32 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: So who's really brilliant. 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: That in the moment verbal kind of just going and 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: going with no script and no rehearsing. Is the rap 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: dudes who just just, you know, in the middle of 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: the beat just bang it on. Yeah, those guys are good. 37 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: I don't have that. I don't have that, but to 38 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: be able to do. 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: I reckon you could, I reckon you could just give 40 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: it a go. Really, I mean, you do it when 41 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: you get on the podcast, or if put will be 42 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: to it, maybe a little we'll hit. 43 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that the world needs a sixty year 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: old white guy with fucking l plates on his chest 45 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: trying to just spit out a few wraps for the 46 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: for the disinteresting. 47 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: For this the world needs. 48 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm already annoying enough. You know. 49 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: I met this morning with I'll give a shout out Sharie, 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: who used to work for me and is getting married soon. Anyway, 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, shout out to Marie and her future 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: wife whose name will come to me, maybe it's Hanny. Anyway, Well, 53 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: chatting and said to me something that like a lot 54 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: of people, well not a lot, but maybe a few 55 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: people think or want to ask me but don't. And 56 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: she's like, what do you think it's like being around you? 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: And I went, well, this is something not only have 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: I thought about it a lot of researched it, but 59 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: it was interesting to unpack that, you know, and then 60 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: to see how that lined up with what she thought. 61 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: You know, It's like, well here's what I think. Well, 62 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: and I've got an unfair advantage because one, I literally 63 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: researched this as my doctorate. But also I've I've had 64 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: a job where I do get feedback from people officially 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: and unofficially, and so I do have some insight. 66 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: But it is funny how you know somebody can listen 67 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: to you. 68 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: I did three gigs this week, as you know, and 69 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: my Monday night mentoring group. So we could almost call 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: that four gigs and it's you just know that, like collectively, 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, nearly two thousand people I spoke to this 72 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: week live, and you just know that there are going 73 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: to be people that think that was the best thing 74 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: they've ever heard. Literally, a lady came up to me, 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: a youngish lady like thirty from South Africa, said, you're 76 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: the best speaker I've ever heard. 77 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: You're the best speaker I've ever heard. I've heard lots. 78 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: I loved it, and I'm definitely not the best speaker 79 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: by the way everyone, but that was what she said, 80 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: and that was lovely. And I'm sure there were people 81 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: that night at the same event who walked out and 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: went not a fan. You know, That's the thing is 83 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: that you you don't know how you are for someone, 84 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: and you really well, you can try to be aware 85 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: and sensitive and have a have an experience and an 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: understanding and an awareness bigger than you, you still don't 87 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: know because you don't have insight into the mind of 88 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: especially people you've never met. You can't even guess what 89 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: they're thinking because you have no understanding of who they are. 90 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: What was the feedback or how aligned were you with 91 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: Shari's perception or feedback on that? 92 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, reasonably close, you know. Yeah, Like, I know 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: that some people will find me inappropriate, and I get it, 94 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, depending on especially people that have no story 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: with me or no journey with me. They've never seen 96 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: me speak, they've never read any of my stuff. Now 97 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: and then, you know, one of my followers or listeners 98 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: will just lump a bit of me onto someone who's never. 99 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: Heard of me, and they don't like it. 100 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: They're like this, like it's like here, watch this guy, 101 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: and they're like, I fucking hate him. And I don't 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: blame them, but you know, it's like somebody who already 103 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: has got you know, a relationship with me. They know me, 104 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: they understand where I'm coming from. They know that I care, 105 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: they know I'm empathetic, they know that I'm direct and 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: blunt and I swear, but they know where it's coming from, 107 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: so they're not offended. But with somebody who doesn't understand 108 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: the person behind the words, or the intention behind the words, 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: or the backstory, it can be it can be a lot, 110 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, and I don't you know, that doesn't surprise 111 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: me at all, but it is interesting that you get 112 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: everything from your inspirational to you're a dickhead. 113 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 3: Well, I want to ask you a quo. I want 114 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: to come back to a question around that for you. 115 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: But first we were talking about it, maybe with the 116 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: crab in the gym last week around and the two 117 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: people I mentioned that my perception of them shifted, and 118 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 3: then how much I decided to then be a fan 119 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: of them and not a hater. Was Jimmy Carr for 120 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: some reason. Never used to like him, just straight off 121 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: the CUF for really no reason at all. I was like, yeah, 122 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 3: I'm not really fair of that guy. He kind of 123 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: annoys me. Look like a mannequin, you know, like just judgmental, unreasonable, 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: like nothing behind it. And then listen, I think you 125 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: might have sent a podcast that he was on, and 126 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: I listened to that and I adore him because I 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: love the person that he is beneath the comedians and 128 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: now I love to scroll his comedy. And the same 129 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: went for Norton by Elaine Can't stand Still. There's aspects, 130 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: lots of aspects of how he presents on social media 131 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: that I can't stand. But again I listened to a 132 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: podcast and there's such a depth to him that I 133 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: did understand and love that it changed my perception some 134 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: of the social media content that he puts out to you. 135 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. So well, let me just say before that question, 136 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Tim's talking about a guy called Lane Norton, who is 137 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,559 Speaker 1: He's got a PhD. So I like, I like pointing 138 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: out listeners in in directions when you respect him and 139 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: like him, so do I. I respect him more as 140 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: a researcher and a scientist and an educator than I 141 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: do as a bloke. I don't dislike him as a bloke, 142 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: but he can be a bit clunky, and he's also 143 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: he can come across as a bit self righteous and 144 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: egotistical and also and all of that I'm okay with. 145 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: What I'm not okay with is publicly just running lots 146 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: of different people. You know, I get it, and I 147 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: know it kind of works in terms of getting attention 148 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: and subscribers and you know. 149 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: But his instagram is called Biolane b io l A, 150 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: Y and E. 151 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: And his stuff is great, Like, if you really want 152 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: a high level information, well researched, no bullshit, no fluff 153 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: around nutrition, just just scroll through his stuff. It's it's 154 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: very good. It is very good. There was one other 155 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: person I was going to say, it will come to me, 156 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: all right. 157 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm ready, all right. 158 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: Where you're at now with your own experience and self 159 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: awareness and how much you observe this what gets in 160 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: the way for you at times that you recognize in 161 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: the moments where maybe you're not paying attention or you're 162 00:08:54,440 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: not aware of how, or you misjudge how someone interprets you. 163 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, maybe maybe ego, maybe emotion. You know, it's 164 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: like you and I had an interesting moment today, right, 165 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: and I'm going. 166 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: To share because it's all good. 167 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: Right, Well, everyone knows about it, so you may as well. 168 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: Well, Okay, so sometimes and this wasn't a problem, but 169 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: it was really interesting because I've been listening to We're 170 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: All over the Shop today that fuck it, this is 171 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: just you and mate chatting with a few thousand people listening. 172 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Have you heard of Terry Crews. I don't know if 173 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: I've told you I'm listening to this book. So Terry 174 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: Cruz is the dude that hosts America's Got Talent agt 175 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: yep X NFL player jacked like he's I think he's 176 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: fifty six now, but he looks forty and he's fucking 177 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: massive and jacked. 178 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: And he grew up in. 179 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: A place called Flint, Michigan, I think it is, which 180 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: was you know, he grew up in poverty or relative poverty. 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: His dad was abusive and violent. His mum was like 182 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: part of this very very culty church that he also 183 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: grew up in. And he's black, and he faced a 184 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: lot of discrimination. 185 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: You know, men. 186 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: He grew up in the sixties and seventies, and he 187 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: just had a lot of a lot of challenges, right, 188 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: But I've been listening and he was a self confessed 189 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: pain in the US for one of a better term, 190 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: like he was a chauvinist. He was he thought men 191 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: were like he just grew up in this family that's 192 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: where his old man was just like men of superior 193 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: and then you know, he just had a whole lot 194 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: of issues. But I've been listening to him, like it's 195 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting when you listen to a bio. 196 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: I don't know how long it is, but I'm nearly finished. 197 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: It must be nine or ten hours. When you get 198 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: nine or ten hours of information about someone and you learn, like, 199 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I love really good bios because I want to listen 200 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: to just their story, and I find it interesting. Like 201 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: Meghan Phelps Roper from you know that church one what's 202 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: it called the west Westbrook Unfollow Westboro Baptist Like if 203 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: you want to listen to a fucking mind blowing bio everyone, 204 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: it's called Unfollow, the book by Meghan Phelps Roper about 205 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: her journey inside the Westboro Baptist Church. But anyway, I 206 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: really identify with Terry Crews because you know, we're dudes, 207 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: We're about the same age. He's got issues, I've got issues. 208 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: And just listening to how he how he realized he 209 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: was a fuck and he had to humble himself and 210 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: apologize to his wife and even his kids for the 211 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: way that he was a husband and a dad. And 212 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: it's like he had these spiritual and or philosophical kind 213 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: of revelations about and it was real. You know how 214 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: when some people talk, I think I'm pretty decerd earning 215 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: unless he's the best. 216 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: Actor in the world. Like it's all very real. 217 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: He says, every day, I apologize to my kids and 218 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: my wife, but how I was in the first kind 219 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: of ten to fifteen years of their marriage and all 220 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: of that. 221 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: But I just I really respected that and I really 222 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: you know. 223 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: So it's made me think about how I manage my emotions, 224 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: how I manage myself around everyone, and even you. And 225 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: so you made a minor mistake yesterday on one of 226 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: the shows, like you, I did a conversation with Patrick 227 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: you weren't in the show, which you normally are, and 228 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: then you edited it later and it wasn't Thank god, 229 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: I didn't do anything horrendous, but there was just there 230 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: was a bit of what we call in the business 231 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: everyone dead air where I was looking something up and 232 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: I was stumbling and fucking trying to find something, as 233 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: we do, and often if TIFF's not in the show, 234 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: like really, we cut things out to be honest, but 235 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, if somebody stumbles or bumbles, they might say, oh, 236 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: can I start that again? I go, sure, and go 237 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: and they'll just start the sentence again, or you know, 238 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: and so I will often say, TIF, can you just 239 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: take that bit out? And so I was trying to 240 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: find something and it took way too long. So there 241 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: was some dead air about thirty seconds of not very 242 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: spectacular listening. Wasn't a problem, it just wasn't very professional, 243 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: And I said, TIF, can you take that out? And 244 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: the world's best editor somehow missed that and left it 245 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: in and then honestly, and then I got a couple 246 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: of messages going, hey, I don't think this is meant 247 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: to be in and I went, and this is honest, 248 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: and I told you this. Initially I was like a 249 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: little bit fucked off, not like ten out of ten, 250 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: but like two out of ten. And then I was 251 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: more interested in that reaction, like I'm like, oh, what 252 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: is that about, because clearly she didn't intend to do it. 253 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: Clearly if she heard that she would have, you know. 254 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: So. 255 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: And then by the time I saw you, which was 256 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: a few hours later, we lifted a few weights. Like 257 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't mad, I wasn't anything. But then I was thinking, 258 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: how do I bring this up with Tiff in a 259 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: way where I'm coming from a place of awareness, not 260 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: on any level pissed offness, And how do I share 261 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: this with her in a way that it's clear that 262 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: like I don't want that to happen again, but at 263 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: the same time, you know, shit happens and it's. 264 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: Okay, you know. 265 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: And then I literally came in and said, before we train, 266 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: we need to have a quick grown up you know, 267 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: big boy, big girl pants talk and then you get 268 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: this look that you always get, like, ah, fuck, like 269 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: like principles office. 270 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: It's view. I'm like going in a moment. 271 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: And then I went it's all good, but this happened, 272 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: and you're like, ah, you know, and I'm like, did 273 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: you listen to it? And You're like I did. I did, 274 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: but I get distracted. I'm like, okay, okay, and it 275 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: was all good, Like there was no angst, there was 276 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: no I wasn't you know. But even with that, in 277 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: the old days, I didn't handle those things as well 278 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: as I should because some things and one hundred percent 279 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: the problem was me, Like me, I'm the problem. 280 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: And stuff like that. 281 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: I've had to work on where I mean, I would 282 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: never go fucking guns blazing and yell at any of 283 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: my staff ever, but I know that I can be intimidating. 284 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: So I'm also very aware that, well, there are two 285 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: things here. One I need to tell her this right. 286 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Two it's not life and death. Three how do I 287 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: do it in a way where you know, I just 288 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: let her know but there's no subsequent problem? 289 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, what I think we both went okay, Yeah. 290 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: I think like what I loved is even the acknowledgment 291 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: of you were like, at first, I was a bit 292 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 3: pissed off, but I'm okay now acknowledging that, Like, I 293 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: think that's important. I funnily enough, and I hadn't told you. 294 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: But before that, as I was driving to Anymore, just before, 295 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: I was following up with a friend that I hadn't 296 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: heard back from a couple of times, and then I 297 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: messaged him on a different platform, I'm like hey, And 298 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: because I was like, well, it's not reaching back out anyway, 299 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: they poured out their heart and said, you know, we'd 300 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: had a conversation and something the way that I had 301 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: said something in a particular conversation had upset them. And 302 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: they're not in a great place mentally, and they're struggling 303 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: with a whole range of things. So they just this 304 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: huge message and I read it and I felt terrible 305 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 3: because I thought, oh, they've held onto something that I've 306 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: unintentionally said and they've misinterpreted in some way, or they've 307 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: felt they have a feeling about it. Old me would 308 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 3: have been like like, I didn't say that, and I'd 309 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 3: be a bit defensive and angry. But I was like 310 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 3: I took the time, which was why I was a 311 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 3: little bit later, I took the time to draft a 312 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 3: message and acknowledge that and tell them I love them 313 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: and blah blah blah, And you might not believe this, 314 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: but it's the truth anyway. So hopefully we can catch 315 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: up and have a chat. And I'm happy to let's 316 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: have a chat about it. And I love the fact 317 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 3: that they could hold on and say to me how 318 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: they felt. And I love the fact that I didn't 319 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 3: have to fucking defend myself this time. 320 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, wouldn't it be great if we could all 321 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: do that? And you know, when you're pissed off or 322 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: when you're happy, or when you're sad, or when you're 323 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: disappointed or when you're frustrated, it doesn't have to become 324 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: a thing. It doesn't need to elevate, you know, it 325 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: doesn't need to become a problem. And also going in 326 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: like realizing that there might have been a time when 327 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: you would have gone, how fucking precious is this person? 328 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: You know? Really come on like there were times when 329 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: I've done that and I've felt that, And that's for me. 330 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: An ongoing challenge is because I want to help people 331 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: become resilient and becoming resilient. You know, the process is 332 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: dealing with shit that isn't always fun or fair or nice. 333 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: And so I get I get the emotional devastation at times, 334 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: and I'm supportive, but yeah, for me, it's like, what's 335 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: the line where I go, oh, they're there and rub 336 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: your back or I go, come on, Bro's it's a 337 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: one out of ten problem. 338 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: It's not a fifteen. 339 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: But then there's the other side of that, mister psychology 340 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: is well, it's one out of ten through your eyes, Craig, 341 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: but maybe to them it's a nine. 342 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so you have to respect. 343 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: That that version of reality without Yeah, it's a really 344 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: interesting dynamic that you know, that whole kind of It's 345 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: not my job to make you feel good. 346 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: For three minutes or four minutes. As a coach. 347 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: It's my job to help you build resilience and awareness 348 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: and you know, high performance in all situations. But there 349 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: will be times when you're falling apart and I'll just 350 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: give you some love and that's okay. 351 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: And I think I've got such a value on speaking 352 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: now and speaking like not being silent, like I would 353 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: sweep everything under the rug and just wait for any 354 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: emotional angst, i'ld either depart and abandon the relationship or 355 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: just wait until I had no emotional trigger about it 356 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: and pretend it never happened, neither of which were great 357 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 3: strategies for maintaining at any level of self worth or confidence, 358 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 3: but also good relationships. 359 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's an ongoing I mean, one of 360 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: the challenges of personal development in inverted comma is the 361 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: process not the product, right. I'll say that again everyone, 362 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: the process not the product, right, Real personal development, real growth, 363 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: real self help. Literally it should be called helping yourself, right, 364 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: because that is also what it is. But with the 365 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: commercialization of everything at the moment, self help and personal 366 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: growth really just fucking stuff, you know, products and programs 367 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: and stuff. But I'm more interested in the journey. But 368 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: part of that is I think going into every whatever 369 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: like this conversation now, assuming that I will fuck something 370 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: up in this conversation, assuming that I will over the 371 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: course of fifty or sixty minutes, probably get at least 372 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: one or two things, definitely say something that will piss 373 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: off at least one human, maybe one hundred. Also knowing 374 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: that in a year I might re listen to this, 375 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: which I definitely won't but in an alternate reality, go ah, fuck, 376 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 1: I don't agree with half of that. Now you know 377 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: this this need to be right that so many of us, 378 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: including myself at stages of my journey, have, it's just 379 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: a form of potential analysis, our paralysis where we're just 380 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: keeping ourselves trapped because we're not okay with being wrong, 381 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: or with being embarrassed, or with saying I don't know 382 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, and that you know that's the and as 383 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: we were, I don't know if we're talking about this 384 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: at the gym, or we're talking about or maybe I 385 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: was talking to Shari. 386 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: I've had a lot on today. But the idea that. 387 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: You know there is no best you know, there is 388 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: no best anything, like there's no best diet, there's no 389 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: best job, there's no best workout, there's no best leaders 390 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: of water, there's no best hours of sleep. 391 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: It's like it's all dependent on the individual. 392 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: So to think that you and I are going to 393 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: have a conversation that thousands of people will hear and 394 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: everyone's going to like it or everyone's going to dislike it, 395 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: or everyone's going to be inspired, or you know, it's 396 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: of course, so you have to go it's That's one. 397 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: Of the questions Shari did ask me today was. 398 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: How do you go with knowing that people won't like 399 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: you or people will be pissed off or offended? Or 400 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: I go, well, I have to be okay with that, 401 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: because that's a statistical inevitability. Let's say in a hypothetical 402 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: world that doesn't exis. But let's say that you and 403 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: I had a conversation and everything that I say is 404 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: absolutely unequivocally true, right, and every intention and every motive 405 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: I have for that hour is positive and good. Well, 406 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: of course there are still going to be people who 407 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 1: are upset or pissed off or disinterested or and that 408 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm right and they're wrong. That just that's 409 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: like an inevitability of the you know, the difference of humans. 410 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: It's like we all just we're all just. 411 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: Interpreting life and the world and all these inbound stimuli 412 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: as we go, labeling things, giving things meaning, creating our 413 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 1: own experiences without intending it. And in the middle of that, 414 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: you're just the bloke or the girl with a podcast 415 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: who just all you can control is you know, production, conversation, words, intentions, 416 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: and then get out of the way. 417 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 2: And what will be will be. 418 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 3: When you first you've had quite a while in working 419 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: in the public eye, now, when you first got some hard, 420 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 3: not nice feedback around stuff like that, Can you remember that? 421 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 3: Can you remember how that felt and how you dealt 422 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: with it. 423 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: I can tell you a very funny story about exactly that. 424 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: So it's twenty twenty four now, so I would say 425 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: in about. 426 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: Maybe twenty ten. This is one of many stories. 427 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: I was working on air at se N and I 428 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: was doing with Jackie Louder, good old Jackie Louder, maybe 429 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: Australia's best sports site. 430 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: We were doing. 431 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: It was either Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve, the 432 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: worst fucking time in the world to do radio because 433 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: you can't get guests. Nobody's fucking listening. You know, there's 434 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: seven people listening, they're all pissed. Two of them are 435 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: fucking idiots. So you've got seven piss people, of which 436 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: two are idiots. Right, I mean, you've still actually got 437 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: thousands of people listening, but it's not the normal audience. 438 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: Anyway. 439 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: This bloke started absolutely smashing me on the SMS machine. 440 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: So you know, you have computers in front of you, 441 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: and one of them is just dedicated to messages from 442 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: listeners that come through on Melbourne's Homer Sports, you know, 443 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: and there's a number, there's an SMS number, a mobile 444 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: number they can SMS and so in real time in 445 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: front of me, messages would come up in front of 446 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: me on the screen, starting at about seven o'clock. I 447 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: was on from six to twelve. Now, this is live 448 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: commercial radio. There's no music, there's no get out of 449 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: jail card. In a typical hour of radio back then, 450 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: there might have been I can't exactly remember, maybe maybe 451 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: twelve minutes of ads. So forty eight minutes of you 452 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: live time six hours. That's a fucking huge amount. And 453 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: like I said, you can't get guests because it's Christmas 454 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: Eve and so on. So this bloke starts going, how 455 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: the fuck did you get a job on this radio station? 456 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: Like how they must be scraping the barrel. Who the fuck? 457 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: What have you done? Like you're a nobody? 458 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: Like and this was at seven by the time, by 459 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: the time it was like eleven thirty at night, he 460 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: would have sent by then, by the way he kept listening, 461 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: but he would have sent over forty completely horrible, feral, hurtful, 462 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: you know, like extreme, you know the C word, the 463 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: F word. You're a f and useless see have I 464 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: hope they're you know all this right in the end, 465 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: I said. I didn't say his name, but I said 466 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: to him, I said, I finish. I finish at midnight. 467 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: And this is when SEM was in Swan. 468 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: Street, Richmond. 469 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: When it's when it's it's not anymore. I said, the 470 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: address is four seven three Swan Street, Richmond. I will 471 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: be out the front at midnight, because we're off air 472 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: at midnight. I'll be out the front at one minute 473 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: two three minutes past twelve. I said, you feel free 474 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: to come down now. This is on radio, right, this 475 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: is you know, this is me. I wanted to punch 476 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: the fuck out of him, and. 477 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 2: I'm I'm telling on live radio. 478 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm telling this abusive listener to meet me outside the 479 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: studio in like twenty five minutes. That's how That's how 480 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: badly I coped with that. 481 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: I mean, all your listeners right now are like, what 482 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: take Harper. 483 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 4: I know I'm not proud of it, but honestly, he 484 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 4: was just a belligerent offensive, like aggressive and all this 485 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 4: you know what he'd like to. 486 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: Do to me and punches, you know, I'm like, okay, 487 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: all right, all right, Champ, Well I go sure this 488 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: where I am, This where I am, so just head 489 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: on down. 490 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: Of course he didn't show up. 491 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 3: Get through that. That set is a massive achievement, like, 492 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 3: oh but the funny just thinking of that. 493 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it was. 494 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: And then you're on air and you're trying to be 495 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: upbeat and you're trying to be you know, we had 496 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: listeners call in and all of that, and you're trying 497 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: to hold interesting conversations with with Jackie and you're doing 498 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, on radio, it's different because you're doing time 499 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: checks and station IDs and you're coming in and out 500 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: of breaks, and as you go into an ad, you're 501 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: trying to hook the next thing because you want people 502 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: to come back after the ad. 503 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: So it's called a whole right, and you're gonna go 504 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: after dad. 505 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about you know, bah bah bah, it's fifteen minutes, 506 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: half the hour at seventeen degrees. We'll be back after this. 507 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: Listening to Melbourn's Homer Sport it's harps and Jackie boom 508 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: out right, and then you've got about three minutes to 509 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: regroup and quickly run and have a. 510 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: Piss you know, I'll get some caffeine. It's very glamorous. 511 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh my god, radio is so glamorous. It 512 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: ain't glamorous. 513 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: And of course he's doing these days. I wonder what. 514 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: Oh I hope he's kicked on. But you know, like, 515 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: honestly that that would not I would laugh. 516 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: Now. 517 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't as I think, as evolved as I am 518 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: these days, and I probably had a bit more testosterone, 519 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: and I was probably a little bit more fucking, a 520 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: little bit more of a buff. 521 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 2: Ed But yeah, wait out front. 522 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 3: How long as you wait. 523 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 2: Out I did. 524 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: I waited out front till about twenty pounced. Well if 525 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: it didn't come, which is probably good. Well it's not, 526 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: it's definitely good. It's because it's a bad idea. I'm 527 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: not proud of what I just shared everyone. It's not 528 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: a good thing. It definitely not one of my better moments. 529 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: I definitely didn't walk my own talk. 530 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: But also yeah, I mean yeah, I worked. 531 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: In pubs from when I was nineteen till twenty three, 532 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: three or four nights a week, so four years of 533 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: people trying to punch me in the face for no 534 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: sensible reason, you know, So like I was not I 535 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: didn't love violence. I definitely, of course didn't love violence 536 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: or aggression or but I was kind of used to it, 537 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: like it wasn't I didn't want it, but it didn't 538 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: terrify me, you know. And then and then working in gyms, 539 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: and you know, it's like I had my joint on 540 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the Highway festival Hall boxing ring, and I worked with 541 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: boxes and grapplers and wrestlers and jiu jitsu dudes, and yeah, 542 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: so I was all around, always around people scrapping and 543 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: you know, big egos and testosterone, and so it wasn't 544 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: like it was a foreign thing. 545 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: You know. 546 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't an accountant who had never been in a 547 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: scrap Shout out to the accountants, you know. So I 548 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: didn't want it, but yeah, but again not proud of that. 549 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: My ambition for the rest of my life is never 550 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: to get another altercation, very happily, very happily. 551 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: But have you ever had. 552 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: A fight other than out, other than in the ring, Like, 553 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: have you ever got into any pushing and shoving with 554 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: a girl or alive? 555 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: Well, anyone had a good story, a good story. I 556 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: can't believe you're going to make me tell this. I 557 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 3: might have thrown. I might have thrown This was just 558 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 3: before I was a boxer too. I might have thrown 559 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: a punch at a lady. She was, she's. 560 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: Any cook. It is my tippany cook. 561 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: She was my dad's in inverted comma's friend. And she 562 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: wasn't a good sort. So I might have got upset 563 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 3: in the moment, and I might have executed some moves. 564 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: Did you connect? Yeah, Oh, look at you. I couldn't 565 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: be proud of. 566 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 3: No, well, I actually wasn't. I shocked myself because I 567 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 3: didn't think, because I wouldn't do confrontation or conflict or anything. 568 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: And she just pushed my buttons and and and so 569 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 3: I struck out and wow, she she was on the ground. 570 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: Ah wow, that's that's all I remember thinking, is well, 571 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to jail now. 572 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: I was so frightened. But then I gave her marching. 573 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 3: We were in tazzy, she was she was on a holiday, 574 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: and she just was proving not to be a good person. 575 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: And I was getting with the upset. She was taking 576 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 3: advantage of my good hearted father, and I got mad 577 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 3: about it and I said, and then I'm the next day, 578 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: I said, you can you can go to Sydney. Now, 579 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 3: if you've got friends in Sydney, you're not welcome here anymore. 580 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 3: And I thought that my dad might never speak to 581 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 3: me again. I thought, that's my dad's my best friend. 582 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 3: And he had to go back to Melbourne before I did, 583 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 3: and I was still in tazzy. This was over Christmas 584 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 3: New Years, very long time ago, obviously, and he rang 585 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: me when we got back and he said, I just 586 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: want to say thanks, And that was amazing. 587 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: Really yeah, Okay, how many we don't It doesn't sound 588 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: like it this conversation everyone, but we neither of us 589 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: recommend violence unless it's controlled and in a boxing ring 590 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: with a referee. So if there are any kids listening, 591 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: which there definitely aren't, but you know, just give someone 592 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: a hug. Well, actually, no, don't because sometimes that's a 593 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: bad idea too. How long ago was this? 594 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 3: This would have been two thousand and eight or nine. 595 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 2: Maybe, so fifteen or sixteen years ago. 596 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 3: Yep, before I was boxing. I didn't start boxing twenty twelve, 597 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 3: so it was before boxing. So I reckon two thousand 598 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: maybe ten. 599 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, it's when you think, my. 600 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 3: Dad, I'm like a little pitbull. You do not do 601 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 3: not do anything to my dad because I have got 602 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: his back. 603 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: Man, I'm with you. I'm like that with mum. 604 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: The dude who grabbed my mum in the city on 605 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: the arm, that didn't end well for him. The guy 606 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: that wanted the guy that probably wasn't in the best shape, 607 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: let's be honest, but just approached my mum and grabbed 608 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: mum on the arm and wanted money. That didn't end 609 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: well for him. Let's say he didn't get any money, 610 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: but he did get present from harps. It wasn't in 611 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: the formative when. 612 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: Years ago, fifteen years ago. 613 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: Ten twelve, Yeah, but did say, well, Mum would just 614 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: stood there in shock, and so did Dad. Yeah, but anyway, 615 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: he ended up alright. He didn't get particularly hurt. I 616 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: think nothing. Long term, he won't be doing that again. Oh, 617 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: listen to us, we sound very aggressive. But can I 618 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: say he literally grabbed my mum physically to like accosting her, 619 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: and I was about a meter away looking in the 620 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: other direction, turn around, saw him. 621 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: My dad was in between mum and me. I literally 622 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: pushed him backwards and grabbed old mate and just just. 623 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: Moved him away gently from my mother. I just gently 624 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: just moved him off to the. 625 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 3: Side, gently negotiated. 626 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: I just I just relocated him a little bit, just 627 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: for the benefit of everyone. 628 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 2: I went, I think you might be better off over here, Champ. 629 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: That's enough for that. I will tell one more quick 630 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: story about this shit. Is the first night I ever worked. Well, 631 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: that's not true, because I worked in pubs in wa 632 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: when I was eighteen nineteen. 633 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: I forgot about that. 634 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: But my first night in Melbourne, I worked at I 635 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: won't say where it was called, because I might get 636 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: in I might get in trouble, I don't know. But anyway, 637 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: a very well known pub not that far from where. 638 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 2: I'm at now. 639 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: And the first night, in the first hour, I put 640 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: out a bloke who was being very troublesome. Let's say 641 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: that it was about I don't know, ten thirty. He 642 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: was either drunk or high or both. Very problematic he 643 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: was being and I was quite big and quite strong, 644 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: so I controlled him and walked him out, and I 645 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: walked him through the kind of the double doors in 646 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: the boyer area and down the stairs to the car 647 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: park and told him to go home and you know, 648 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: don't come back in, or words to those effect. And 649 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: then he turned round and I wasn't fully paying attention, 650 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: my bad and he head butted me and broke my nose. 651 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: That was night one night, one hour one, and I'm like, oh, 652 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: this is ok this is this is worth twelve dollars 653 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: an hour, isn't it Okay? Look at me, Mum and dad, 654 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm killing and you thought I wouldn't amount to anything. 655 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 2: Look at me now, look at me now? 656 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 3: Oh character, because outside of the boxing ring, I would 657 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 3: still flee. People often have said, oh, you'd feel safe 658 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 3: being a boxer. I would run at conflict in the 659 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 3: street still. And I remember being in high school and 660 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 3: somebody was bullying me once and not really punched me, 661 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 3: but kind of pretending to put in their fist like 662 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 3: against my face and pushing me back into the wall. No, 663 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 3: I chip myself. I wasn't going to do anything like 664 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 3: you know this one time with It was just a 665 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 3: highly charged and she was really pushing the buttons a 666 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 3: little escapade. 667 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 2: Hmm. 668 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: Well we're older, we're wiser, and it's a good thing. 669 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: You and I both Buddhists. 670 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: Now. 671 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 3: So I went and sat on the mountain. So I'm different. 672 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 2: Now you're different. You're different. Look now, it's been fun, 673 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 2: but before we go. 674 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to give a 675 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: little bit of a shout out, a tribute. Now, you 676 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: told me some sad news today. I didn't know. It 677 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: only happened yesterday. We're recording this Saturday afternoon. And as 678 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: much as we know, correct me if I fuck any 679 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: of this up. Kerwin Ray, who I was going to say, 680 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: is but was a very well known Australian speaker, coach 681 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: mentor does kind of did a lot of the stuff 682 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: that I do. 683 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 2: Essentially bigger profile than me, bigger brand than me, very 684 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 2: well known. 685 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: To as far as I know, good guy how Kerwin 686 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: was on the You Project, Tiff reliably informs me episode 687 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: four three seven, And yeah, he passed away yesterday and 688 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how old he was, but like a 689 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: lot younger than me, like a decade younger than me 690 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: or so, and that's so sad. So we want to 691 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 1: just send our love and thoughts to his friends and family. 692 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: And you know, it's not funny. It's interesting how you 693 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: realize how long the show has been around now that 694 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: I think that brings. 695 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 2: To the. 696 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: Total of people who have been on the show who 697 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: are not with us anymore, up to six six people 698 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: who have been on the U Project who are no 699 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: longer with us. So, you know, I don't know where 700 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: he is. I don't know what happens these days. I 701 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: don't know what I believe post life. But let's hope 702 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: he's in a better place, and let's hope that his 703 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: family and his friends are okay. And so we've had 704 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: just a recap. So Nima, my friend the pharmacist who 705 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: was on a bunch of times, he passed away. Simon Hammond, 706 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: who was on the show at least once, maybe twice, 707 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: who was a guru in marketing and branding and wrote 708 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 1: at least one or two books. Simon passed away very recently. 709 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: Dr Gladys mcgrary, who we had on I think it 710 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: was about a year ago, about June twenty twenty three 711 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: or something. Doctor Gladys was on at the teenage years 712 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: of one hundred and two. She was, and she passed 713 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: away recently just before one hundred and fourth birthday. One 714 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: of the one of my favorite humans that I worked 715 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: with at Sin Kilda Footy Club, who was then the 716 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: captain of Saint Kilda Footy Club, went on to train 717 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: Richmond Football Club and had well documented issues with mental 718 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: health and specifically depression and anxiety, and was on the show. 719 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: Danny Frawley, who we lovingly referred to as Spud Spud 720 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: passed away a couple of years ago, and then of 721 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: course the very gorgeous and lovable and charismatic Johnny Ruffo. 722 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's I don't know, it's just like it. 723 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 2: I don't know why all. 724 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: Of those affected me, especially Nima because him and I 725 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: were close and I had dinner with him about three 726 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: or four nights before he passed away. But I think 727 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,959 Speaker 1: because Kerwin Kerwan and I kind of do the same job, 728 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: very similar, and definitely no one or you know, you 729 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect, you know that, And it just made me 730 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:28,760 Speaker 1: just have a moment of reflection about my own, you know, mortality. 731 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 2: You know. 732 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 3: So I think it's it's it really highlights our mortality, 733 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 3: and that's especially when people are around our age, like 734 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: I think he was somewhere in his forties, late forties, 735 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 3: maybe like I'm forty one, and it's just like in 736 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 3: a moment, stuff can change, and that's terrifying. 737 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 738 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, And also I mean, I know this is an 739 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: obvious thing to say, but then you go oh yeah, 740 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: Like all that matters, really, all that matters is the 741 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: people that you love, and all that matters is you know, 742 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: and I know in the day to day nous of 743 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: our you know, of course you've got to pay the 744 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: bills and put petrol in the car and make you 745 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: break in, vacuum the floor and change the doner cover 746 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: and all that, you know, but it's like, yeah, when 747 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: we when we do do a self reflection and when 748 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: we do do a little bit of an audit on well, 749 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: what truly really matters to me? Like beyond the self 750 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: help and the rah rah and the you project, come on, 751 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: you can do it right, and all of that stuff matters, 752 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: But you know what matters most, you know, what matters 753 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: most is that we're here and that you know, like 754 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 1: even with my mum and dad now and they're eighty five, 755 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: Like when anyone asks me what's like, what's your what's 756 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 1: your priority right now? I go, Well, my parents, They're 757 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: my priority. Like everything else matters, but nothing matters more 758 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: than them, you know. And so there's nothing that I 759 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't do for them, including you know, dropping this podcast 760 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 1: in a second, if that's what I needed to do, 761 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, or you know, like there's nothing like and 762 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: you just go, well, and that's you know, and that's 763 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: hopefully that's. 764 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 2: Not going to be required. 765 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: But you know, it's like with your dad, you know, 766 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 1: when when something happens like a nothing like even with 767 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: you and that lady because you saw her probably as 768 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: some kind of threat to his whatever he's well well 769 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: being or he's you know whatever, and yeah, that's that 770 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: so too when like like my mum and dad have 771 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: been sick of various times, you know, and lots of 772 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: surgeries and lots of literally near death moments. Mum cancer 773 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: three times, Dad too, heart attacks, you know, Mum, you know, 774 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: getting a lung removed, and it's like in you know, 775 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: sitting in the waiting room in a hospital when you 776 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: know your dad has a massive heart attack, gets revived twice, 777 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: then has quadruple bypass and you don't know if they're 778 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: going to come out and go, sorry he didn't make it, 779 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: or you know, he's out of surgery and he's okay. 780 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, like you're just you're sitting there next to 781 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: your tiny little mum, who's the person she loves the 782 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: most in the world, is in there with his destiny 783 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,720 Speaker 1: in someone else's hands. 784 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, all that shit where you go, oh yeah, this 785 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 2: is this is it, this is what matters. 786 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: So anyway, that was deep and philosophical, perhaps unnecessarily so. 787 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: But shout out to everyone who has anything or had 788 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: anything to do with Kerwin and family and friends and 789 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: colleagues and people who worked with him, because I think 790 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: you were telling me, or maybe it was Melissa. He 791 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: had a pretty big team that worked with him, you know, 792 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: and so it was a lot more than even within 793 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: the context of his business and his work. I think 794 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: there was There's going to be a lot of people who, 795 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: for a range of reasons, be devastated. On that very 796 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: somber note. We need to maybe raise the energy a 797 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: little bit before we head off. Have you got it's 798 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: it's nearly five o'clock. Have you got any plans for 799 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: this evening? 800 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 2: Cook? Are you going out? Have you got a date? 801 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 3: I've got no got to be party shoes on tonight. 802 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 3: It's one of the first days or slash nights. I 803 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 3: did some stuff this morning, but that I don't have 804 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 3: plans because the new tip she does things with people now, 805 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,240 Speaker 3: it's amazing. 806 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 2: Where what why is that? 807 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: Like? Why are you so social now? Why are you 808 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 1: getting out so and I'm seeing lots of photos of 809 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: you with lots of people. I saw a photo of 810 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: you lying on the ground looking at the sky today, 811 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: like snuggled up to some lady. That's fine, by the way, 812 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm just like, what's that about. 813 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 3: After I boasted that and read it, I was like, 814 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,399 Speaker 3: that's a very deep and meaningful A lot of people 815 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 3: are going to look at that and think that I've 816 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 3: hooked up with a woman that was Shannon. That that 817 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 3: was a photo from India. That was Shannon that I 818 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,959 Speaker 3: traveled to India with. It's been She's been really great, 819 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 3: you know, in a rate for a range of reasons. 820 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 3: So I wanted to acknowledge her. But that's you know. 821 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 3: One of the realizations when I got back was I 822 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 3: have just I've put my blinkers on for the last 823 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 3: few years and I've said no, and I've been busy 824 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 3: and i haven't spent time with people, and that's a 825 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,479 Speaker 3: really unbalanced life. And these have been the best couple 826 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 3: of weeks that I've had. It's good. Maybe I will 827 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,240 Speaker 3: reach out to someone and hang out with them tonight. 828 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: Maybe you will, Maybe you will, all right, everyone appreciate 829 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: you thanks for listening, See you next time.