1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: I get a Champs, craig An here, Harper, Tiffany and Cook. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: It is the project that's you. It's Saturday afternoon. It's 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: nine minutes past four. I've got my radio voice on 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: for some weird reason, sitting on seventeen degrees. Now find 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: City by the Bay, heading for a top of nineteen tomorrow, 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of cloud about down some early morning 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: rain and now back to the show. Tip get I 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: over there at typ Central. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: You've got quite a skill to riff like that. 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: I know that's from twenty years and twenty years, but 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: even when I did radio, I didn't talk like that anyway. 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: When we were on retreat, Jem who you've had on 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: the show, Jim Fuller who random retreat in India. He's 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: quite musical, so he actually used to have what he 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: has albums that he used to be in a band, 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: So we had albums and so he had his guitar 17 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: up there and he sang an eight minute song like 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: just impromptu riffing about us. And I think that is 19 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: incredibly talented to put a song together off the top 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: of your head, and you know, it made us laugh 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: and it rhymed and it worked, and it's I love 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: that you can. Yes, plus your too, haven't you. 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 3: Well? 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: I do have a guitar, Allen. 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: I can play guitar, and not brilliantly, by the way, 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: but I've played since I was a little kid. Still 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: got a few guitars lying around, and every now and 28 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: then I drag it out of retirement and just smash 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: my fingers for about three days and then I get 30 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: almost get callouses back, and then I put it back 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: in the cupboard. 32 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: So who's really brilliant. 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: That in the moment verbal kind of just going and 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: going with no script and no rehearsing. Is the rap 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: dudes who just just you know, in the middle of 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: the beat just bang it on. Yeah, those guys are 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: good those I don't have that. I don't have that. 38 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: But to be able to do. 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: I reckon you could, I reckon you could just give 40 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: it a go. Really, I mean, you do it when 41 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: you get on the podcast or if put will be 42 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: to it, maybe. 43 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: A little pretty well hit. 44 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that the world needs a sixty year 45 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: old white guy with fucking l plates on his chest 46 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: trying to just spit out a few wraps for the 47 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: for the disinteresting. 48 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: For the world needs. 49 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: Okay, Well I'm already annoying enough. You know. 50 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: I met this morning with I'll give a shout out Sharie, 51 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: who used to work for me and is getting married soon. Anyway, 52 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, shout out to Marie and her future 53 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: wife whose name will come to me, maybe it's Hanny. Anyway, Well, 54 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: chatting and said to me something that like a lot 55 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: of people, well not a lot, but maybe a few 56 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: people think or want to ask me but don't. And 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: she's like, what do you think it's like being around you? 58 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: And I went, well, this is something not only have 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: I thought about it a lot of research, but it 60 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: was interesting to unpack that, you know, and then to 61 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: see how that lined up with what she thought. You know, 62 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: It's like, well here's what I think. Well, and I've 63 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: got an unfair advantage because one, I literally researched this 64 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: as my doctorate, but also I've I've had a job 65 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: where I do get feedback from people officially and unofficially, 66 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: and so I do have some insight. But but it is. 67 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: Funny how you know somebody can listen to you. 68 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: I did three gigs this week, as you know, and 69 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: my Monday night mentoring group, so we could almost call 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: that four gigs and it's you just know that, like collectively, 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, nearly two thousand people I spoke to this 72 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: week live, and you just know that there are going 73 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: to be people that think that was the best thing 74 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: they've ever heard. Literally, a lady came up to me, 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: a youngish lady like thirty from South Africa, said, you're 76 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: the best speaker I've ever heard. 77 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: You're the best speaker I've ever heard. I've heard lots. 78 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: I loved it, and I'm definitely not the best speaker 79 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: by the way everyone, but that was what she said, 80 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: and that was lovely, And I'm sure there were people 81 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: that night at the same event who walked out and 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: went not a fan. You know, that's the thing is 83 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: that you you don't know how you are for someone, 84 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: and you really well, you can try to be aware 85 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: and sensitive and have a have an experience and an 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: understanding and an awareness bigger than you, you still don't 87 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: know because you don't have insight into the mind of 88 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: especially people you've never met. You can't even guess what 89 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: they're thinking because you have no understanding of who they are. 90 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: What was the feedback or how aligned were you with 91 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: Shari's perception or feedback on that. 92 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, reasonably close, you know. Yeah, Like I know 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: that some people will find me inappropriate, and I get it, 94 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, depending on especially people that have no story 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: with me or no journey with me. They've never seen 96 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: me speak, they've never read any of my stuff. Now 97 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: and then, you know, one of my followers or listeners 98 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: will just lump a bit of me onto someone who's never. 99 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: Heard of me, and they don't like it. 100 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: They're like this, like it's like here, watch this guy, 101 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: and they're like, I fucking hate him. And I don't 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: blame them, but you know, it's like somebody who already 103 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: has got, you know, a relationship with me. They know me, 104 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: they understand where I'm coming from. They know that I care, 105 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: they know I'm empathetic, they know that I'm direct and 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: blunt and I swear, but they know where it's coming from, 107 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: so they're not offended. But with somebody who doesn't understand 108 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: the person behind the words, or the intention behind the words, 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: or the backstory, it can be it can be a lot, 110 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, and I don't you know, that doesn't surprise 111 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: me at all, but it is interesting that you get 112 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: everything from your inspirational to you're a dickhead. 113 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you a quote. Want to 114 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: come back to a question around that for you. But 115 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: first we were talking about it, maybe with the crab 116 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: in the gym last week around and the two people 117 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: I mentioned that my perception of them shifted, and then 118 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: how much I decided to then be a fan of 119 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: them and not a hater. Was Jimmy Carr for some reason. 120 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: Never used to like him, just straight off the CUF 121 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: for really no reason at all. I was like, yeah, 122 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: I'm not really fair of that guy. He kind of 123 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: annoys me. Look like a mannequin, you know, just judgmental, unreasonable, 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: like nothing behind it. And then listen. I think you 125 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: might have sent a podcast that he was on, and 126 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: I listened to that and I adore him because I 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: love the person that he is beneath the comedians and 128 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: now I love to scroll his comedy. And the same 129 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: went for Norton by Elaine Can't stand Still. There's aspects, 130 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: lots of aspects of how he presents on social media 131 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: that I can't stand. But again I listened to a 132 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: podcast and there's such a depth to him that I 133 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: did understand and love that it changed my perception some 134 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: of the social media content that he puts out to you. 135 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: So well, let me just say before that question, Tim's 137 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: talking about a guy called Lane Norton, who is He's 138 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: got a PhD. So I like, I like pointing out 139 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: listeners in directions when you respect him and like him, 140 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: so do I. I respect him more as a researcher 141 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: and a scientist and an educator than I do as 142 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: a bloke. I don't dislike him as a bloke, but 143 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: he can be a bit clunky, and he's also he 144 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: can come across as a bit self righteous and egotistical 145 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: and also and all of that I'm okay with. What 146 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm not okay with is publicly just running lots of 147 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: different people. You know, I get it, and I know 148 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: it kind of works in terms of getting attention and 149 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: subscribers and you know. 150 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: But his instagram is called Biolane b io l A, 151 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: Y and E. 152 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: And his stuff is great, Like, if you really want 153 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: a high level information, well researched, no bullshit, no fluff 154 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: around nutrition, just just scroll. 155 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: Through his stuff. It's it's very good. It is very good. 156 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 3: There was one other person I was going to say 157 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: it will come to me, all right, I'm ready. 158 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: All right, where you're at now with your own experience 159 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: and self awareness and how much you observe this what 160 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: gets in the way for you at times that you 161 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 2: recognize in the moments where maybe you're not paying attention 162 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: or you're not aware of how, or you misjudge how 163 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: someone interprets you. 164 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, maybe maybe ego, maybe emotion. You know, it's 165 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: like you and I had an interesting moment today, right, 166 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: and I'm going. 167 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: To share because it's all good. 168 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: Right, Well, everyone knows about it, so you may as well. 169 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: Well, Okay, so sometimes and this wasn't a problem, but 170 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: it was really interesting because I've been listening to We're 171 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: All over the Shop today that fuck it, this is 172 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: just you and mate chatting with a few thousand people listening. 173 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Have you heard of Terry Crews? I don't know if 174 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: I've told you I'm listening to this book. So Terry 175 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: Cruz is the dude that hosts America's Got Talent agt 176 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: yep X NFL player Jacked like he's I think he's 177 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: fifty six now, but he looks forty and he's fucking 178 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: massive and jacked, and he grew up in a place 179 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: called Flint, Michigan, I think it is, which was you know, 180 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: he grew up in poverty or relative poverty. His dad 181 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: was abusive and violent. His mum was like part of 182 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: this very very culty church that he also grew up in. 183 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: And he's black, and he faced a lot of discrimination, 184 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, men. He grew up in the sixties and seventies, 185 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: and he just had a lot of a lot of challenges, right, 186 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: But I've been listening and he was a self confessed 187 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: pain in the US for one of a better term, 188 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: like he was a chauvinist. He was he thought men 189 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: were like he just grew up in this family that's 190 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: where his old man was just like men of superior 191 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: and then you know, he just had a whole lot 192 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: of issues. But I've been listening to him, like it's 193 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting when you listen to a bio. 194 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: I don't know how long it is, but I'm nearly finished. 195 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: It must be nine or ten hours. When you get 196 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: nine or ten hours of information about someone and you learn, 197 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: Like I love really good bios because I want to 198 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: listen to just their story and I find it interesting, 199 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: Like Meghan Phelps Roper from you know that church one 200 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: what's it called the west Westbrook Unfollow Westboro Baptist Like, 201 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: if you want to listen to a fucking mind blowing 202 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: bio everyone, it's called Unfollow, the book by Meghan Phelps 203 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: Roper about her journey inside the Westboro Baptist Church. But anyway, 204 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: I really identify with Terry Crews because you know, we're dudes, 205 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: We're about the same age. He's got issues, I've got issues. 206 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: And just listening to how he how he realized he 207 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: was a fuck and he had to humble himself and 208 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: apologize to his wife and even his kids for the 209 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: way that he was a husband and a dad. And 210 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: it's like he had these spiritual and or philosophical kind 211 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: of revelations about and it was real. You know how 212 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: when some people talk, I think I'm pretty decernd earning 213 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: unless he's the best. 214 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: Actor in the world. Like it's all very real. 215 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: He says, every day, I apologize to my kids and 216 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: my wife, but how I was in the first kind 217 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: of ten to fifteen years of their marriage and all 218 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: of that. But I just I really respected that, and 219 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: I really, you know, so it's made me think about 220 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: how I manage my emotions, how I manage myself around everyone, 221 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: and even you, And so you made a minor mistake 222 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: yesterday on one of the shows, like you, I did 223 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: a conversation with Patrick you weren't in the show, which 224 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: you normally are, and then you edited it later and 225 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't Thank god, I didn't do anything horrendous, but 226 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: there was just there was a bit of what we 227 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: call in the business everyone dead air where I was 228 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: looking something up and I was stumbling and fucking trying 229 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: to find something, as we do, and often if TIFF's 230 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: not in the show, like really, we cut things out 231 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: to be honest, but you know, if somebody stumbles or bumbles, 232 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: they might say, oh, can I start that again? I go, sure, 233 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: and go and they'll just start the sentence again, or 234 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, and so I will often say, TIF, can 235 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: you just take that bit out? And so I was 236 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: trying to find something and it took way too long. 237 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: So there was some dead air about thirty seconds of 238 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: not very spectacular listening. Wasn't a problem, it just wasn't 239 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: very professional. And I said, TIF, can you take that out? 240 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: And the world's best editor somehow missed that and left. 241 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: It in and then honestly. 242 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: And then I got a couple of messages going, hey, 243 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: I don't think this is meant to be in and 244 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: I went, and this is honest, and I told you this. 245 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: Initially I was like a little bit fucked off, not 246 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: like ten out of ten, but like two out of ten. 247 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: And then I was more interested in that reaction, like 248 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, what is that about, because clearly she 249 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: didn't intend to do it. Clearly if she heard that 250 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: she would have, you know. 251 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: So. 252 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: And then by the time I saw you, which was 253 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: a few hours later, we lifted a few weights. Like 254 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't mad, I wasn't anything. But then I was thinking, 255 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: how do I bring this up with Tiff in a 256 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: way where I'm coming from a place of awareness, not 257 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: on any level pissed offness, And how do I share 258 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: this with her in a way that it's clear that 259 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: like I don't want that to happen again, but at 260 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: the same time, you know, shit happens and it's. 261 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: Okay, you know. 262 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: And then I literally came in and said, before we train, 263 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: we need to have a quick grown up, you know, 264 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: big boy big girl pants talk. And then you get 265 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: this look that you always get like, ah, fuck, like 266 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: like principles office. 267 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: It's view. I'm like going in a moment. 268 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: And then I went, it's all good, but this happened, 269 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: and you're like, ah, you know, and I'm like, did 270 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: you listen to it? And You're like I did. I did, 271 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: but I get distracted. I'm like, okay, okay, and it 272 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: was all good, Like there was no angst, there was 273 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: no I wasn't you know. But even with that in 274 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: the old days, I didn't handle those things as well 275 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: as I should because some things and one hundred percent 276 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: the problem was me, Like me, I'm the. 277 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: Problem and stuff like that. 278 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: I've had to work on where I mean, I would 279 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: never go fucking guns blazing and yell at any of 280 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: my staff ever, but I know that I can be intimidating. 281 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: So I'm also very aware that, well, there are two 282 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: things here. One I need to tell her this right. 283 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Two it's not life and death. Three how do I 284 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: do it in a way where you know, I just 285 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: let her know but there's no subsequent problem? 286 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, what I think we both went okay. 287 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like what I loved is even the 288 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: acknowledgment of you were like at first, I was a 289 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: bit pissed off, but I'm okay now acknowledging that, like, 290 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: I think that's important. I funnily enough, and I hadn't 291 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: told you. But before that, as I was driving to Anymore, 292 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: just before, I was following up with a friend that 293 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: I hadn't heard back from a couple of times, and 294 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: then I messaged him on a different platform, I'm like hey, 295 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: And because I was like, well, it's not reaching back 296 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: out anyway, they poured out their heart and said, you know, 297 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: we'd had a conversation and something the way that I 298 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: had said something in a particular conversation had upset them, 299 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: and they're not in a great place mentally, and they're 300 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: struggling with a whole range of things. So they just 301 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: this huge message and I read it and I felt 302 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: terrible because I thought, oh, they've held onto something that 303 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: I've unintentionally said and they've misinterpreted in some way, or 304 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: they've felt they have a feeling about it. Old me 305 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: would have been like, like, I didn't say that, and 306 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: I'd be a bit defensive and angry. But I was like, 307 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: I took the time, which was why I was a 308 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 2: little bit later. I took the time to draft a 309 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 2: message and acknowledge that and tell them I love them 310 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. And you might not believe this, 311 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: but it's the truth anyway. So hopefully we can catch 312 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: up and have a chat. And I'm happy to let's 313 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: have a chat about it. And I love the fact 314 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: that they could hold on and say to me how 315 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: they felt. And I love the fact that I didn't 316 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: have to fucking defend myself this time. 317 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, wouldn't it be great if we could all 318 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: do that? And you know, when you're pissed off or 319 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: when you're happy, or when you're sad, or when you're 320 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: disappointed or when you're frustrated, it doesn't have to become 321 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: a thing. It doesn't need to elevate, you know, it 322 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: doesn't need to become a problem. And also going in 323 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: like realizing that there might have been a time when 324 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: you would have gone. 325 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: How fucking precious is this person? 326 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: You know, really come on like there were times when 327 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: I've done that and I've felt that, And that's for me. 328 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: An ongoing challenge is because I want to help people 329 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: become resilient. And becoming resilient, you know the process is 330 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: dealing with shit that isn't always fun or fair or nice, 331 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: and so I get I get the emotional devastation at times, 332 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: and I'm supportive, but yeah, for me, it's like, what's 333 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: the line. 334 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: Where I go, oh, they're there and rub your back 335 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: or I. 336 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: Go, come on, Bro's it's a one out of ten problem, 337 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: it's not a fifteen. But then there's the other side 338 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: of that, mister psychology is well, it's one out of 339 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: ten through your eyes, Craig, but maybe to them it's 340 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: a nine. 341 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and so you have to respect. 342 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: That that version of reality without Yeah, it's a really 343 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: interesting dynamic that you know, that whole kind of It's 344 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: not my job to make you feel good. 345 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: For three minutes or four minutes. As a coach. 346 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: It's my job to help you build resilience and awareness 347 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: and you know, high performance in all situations. But there 348 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: will be times when you're falling apart and I'll just 349 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: give you some love and that's okay. 350 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: And I think I've got such a value on speaking 351 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: now and speaking like not being silent, Like I would 352 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: sweep everything under the rug and just wait for any 353 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: emotional angst. I'ld either depart and abandon the relationship, or 354 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: just wait until I had no emotional trigger about it 355 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: and pretend it never happened, neither of which were great 356 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: strategies for maintaining at any level of self worth or confidence, 357 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: but also good relationships. 358 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's an ongoing I mean, one of 359 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: the challenges of personal development in inverted comma is the 360 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: process not the product, right. I'll say that again everyone, 361 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: the process not the product, right, Real personal development, real growth, 362 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: real self help. Literally it should be called helping yourself, right, 363 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: because that is also what it is. But with the 364 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: commercialization of everything at the moment, self help and personal 365 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: growth really just fucking stuff, you know, products and programs 366 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: and stuff. But I'm more interested in the journey. But 367 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: part of that is I think going into every whatever 368 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: like this conversation now, assuming that I will fuck something 369 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: up in this conversation, assuming that I will over the 370 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: course of fifty or sixty minutes, probably get at least 371 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: one or two things, definitely say something that will piss 372 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: off at least one human, maybe one hundred. Also knowing 373 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: that in a year I might re listen to this, 374 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: which I definitely won't. But in an alternate reality, go ah, fuck, 375 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 1: I don't agree with half of that. Now, you know 376 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: this this need to be right that so many of us, 377 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: including myself at stages of my journey have, it's just 378 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: a form of potential analysis, our paralysis where we're just 379 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: keeping ourselves trapped because we're not okay with being wrong, 380 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: or with being embarrassed, or with saying I don't know 381 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, and that you know that's the and as 382 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: we were, I don't know if we're talking about this 383 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: at the gym, or we're talking about or maybe I 384 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: was talking to Shari. 385 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 3: I've had a lot on today. But the idea that. 386 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: You know there is no best you know, there is 387 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: no best anything, like there's no best diet, there's no 388 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: best job, there's no best workout, there's no best leaders 389 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: of water, there's no best hours of sleep. 390 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: It's like it's all dependent on the individual. 391 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: So to think that you and I are going to 392 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: have a conversation that thousands of people will hear and 393 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: everyone's going to like it, or everyone's going to dislike it, 394 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: or everyone's going to be inspired, or you know, it's 395 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: of course, so you have to go. 396 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: It's that's one of the questions. Shari did ask me 397 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: today was. 398 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: How do you go with knowing that people won't like 399 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: you or people will be pissed off or offended? Or 400 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: I go, well, I have to be okay with that, 401 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: because that's a statistical inevitability. Let's say in a hypothetical 402 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: world that doesn't exis. But let's say that you and 403 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: I had a conversation and everything that I say is 404 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: absolutely unequivocally true, right, and every intention and every motive 405 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: I have for that hour is positive and good. Well, 406 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: of course there are still going to be people who 407 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 1: are upset or pissed off or disinterested or and that 408 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm right and they're wrong. That just that's 409 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: like an inevitability of the you know, the difference of humans. 410 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: It's like we all just we're all just interpreting life 411 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: and the world and all these inbound stimuli as we go, 412 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: labeling things, giving things meaning, creating our own experiences without 413 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: intending it. And in the middle of that, you're just 414 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: the bloke or the girl with a podcast who just 415 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: all you can control is, you know, production, conversation, words, intentions, 416 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: and then get out of the way, and what will 417 00:23:59,480 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: be will be. 418 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 2: When you first you've had quite a while in working 419 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: in the public eye. Now, when you first got some hard, 420 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: not nice feedback around stuff like that, can you remember that? 421 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: Can you remember how that felt and how you dealt 422 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: with it. 423 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: I can tell you a very funny story about exactly that. 424 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: So it's twenty twenty four now, so I would say 425 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: in about. 426 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: Maybe twenty ten. This is one of many stories. 427 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: I was working on air at se N and I 428 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: was doing with Jackie Louder, good old Jackie Louder, maybe 429 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: Australia's best sports site. 430 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: We were doing. 431 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: It was either Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve, the 432 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: worst fucking time in the world to do radio because 433 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: you can't get guests. Nobody's fucking listening. You know, there's 434 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: seven people listening, they're all pissed. Two of them are 435 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: fucking idiots. So you've got seven piss people, of which 436 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: two are idiots, right, I mean, you've still actually got 437 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: thousands of people listening, but it's not the normal audience. 438 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 3: Anyway. 439 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: This bloke started absolutely smashing me on the SMS machine. 440 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: So you know, you have computers in front of you, 441 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: and one of them is just dedicated to messages from 442 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: listeners that come through on Melbourne's Homer Sports, you know, 443 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: and there's a number, there's an SMS number, a mobile 444 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: number they can SMS and so in real time in 445 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: front of me, messages would come up in front of 446 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: me on the screen, starting at about seven o'clock. I 447 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: was on from six to twelve. Now, this is live 448 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: commercial radio. There's no music, there's no get out of 449 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: jail card. In a typical hour of radio back then, 450 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: there might have been I can't exactly remember, maybe maybe 451 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: twelve minutes of ads. So forty eight minutes of you 452 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: live time six hours. That's a fucking huge amount. And 453 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: like I said, you can't get guests because it's Christmas 454 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: Eve and so on. So this bloke starts going, how 455 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: the fuck did you get a job on this radio station? 456 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: Like how they must be scraping the barrel, Who the 457 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: fuck what. 458 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: Have you done? Like you're a nobody? 459 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: Like and this was at seven by the time, by 460 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: the time it was like eleven thirty at night, he 461 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: would have sent by then, by the way he kept listening, 462 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: but he would have sent over forty completely horrible, feral, hurtful, 463 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, like extreme, you know. 464 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 3: The C word, the F word. 465 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: You're a f and useless. See have I hope they're 466 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: you know all this right in the end, I said. 467 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: I didn't say his name, but I said to him, 468 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: I said, I finish. I finish at midnight. And this 469 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: is when SEM was in Swan. 470 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 3: Street, Richmond. 471 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: When it's when it's it's not anymore, I said, the 472 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: address is four seven three Swan Street, Richmond. I will 473 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: be out the front at midnight, because we're off air 474 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: at midnight. I'll be out the front at one minute 475 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: two three minutes past twelve. I said, you feel free 476 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: to come down now. This is on radio, right, this 477 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: is you know, this is me. I wanted to punch 478 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: the fuck out of him, and. 479 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 3: I'm I'm telling on live radio. 480 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm telling this abusive listener to meet me outside the 481 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: studio in like twenty five minutes. That's how That's how 482 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: badly I coped with that. 483 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: I mean, all your listeners. 484 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: Right now are like, what take Harper. 485 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 4: I know I'm not proud of it, but honestly, he 486 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 4: was just a belligerent, offensive, like aggressive and all this 487 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 4: you know what he'd like to. 488 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: Do to me and punches, you know, I'm like, okay, 489 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: all right, all right, champ, Well, I go, sure, this 490 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: where I am? 491 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 3: This where I am, so just head on down. Of 492 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: course he didn't show up. 493 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: Get through that. That set is a massive achievement, like, 494 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 2: oh but the funny just thinking of that. 495 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it was. 496 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: And then you're on air and you're trying to be 497 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: upbeat and you're trying to be you know, we had 498 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: listeners call in and all of that, and you're trying 499 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: to hold interesting conversations with with Jackie and you're doing 500 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, on radio, it's different because you're doing time 501 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: checks and station IDs and you're coming in and out 502 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: of breaks, and as you go into an ad, you're 503 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: trying to hook the next thing because you want people 504 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: to come back after the ad. So it's called a 505 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: whole right, and you've gotta go after dad we're talking 506 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: about you know, bah bah bah, it's fifteen minutes, half 507 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: the hour at seventeen degrees. We'll be back after this. 508 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: Listening to Melbourn's Homer Sport it's harps and Jackie boom 509 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: out right, and then you've got about three minutes to 510 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: regroup and quickly run and have a piss. 511 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 3: You know, I'll get some caffeine it's very glamorous. Everyone's like, 512 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: oh my god, radio is so glamorous. It ain't glamorous. 513 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: And of course he's doing these days, I wonder what. 514 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: Oh I hope he's kicked on. But you know, like, honestly, 515 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: that that would not I would laugh. 516 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: Now. 517 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't as I think, as evolved as I am 518 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: these days, and I probably had a bit more testosterone, 519 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: and I was probably a little bit more fucking, a 520 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: little bit more of a buff. 521 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: Ed But yeah, wait out front. How long do you 522 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 2: wait out I did. 523 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 3: I waited out front till about twenty pounced. 524 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: Well if it didn't come, which is probably good, Well, 525 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: it's not, it's definitely good. It's because it's a bad idea. 526 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm not proud of what I just shared everyone. It's 527 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: not a good thing. It definitely not one of my 528 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: better moments. I definitely didn't walk my own talk. But also, yeah, 529 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I worked in pubs from when I 530 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: was nineteen till twenty three, three or four nights a week, 531 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: so four years of people trying to punch me in 532 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: the face for no sensible reason, you know, So like 533 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: I was not I didn't love violence. I definitely of 534 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: course didn't love violence or aggression or but I was 535 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of used to it, like it wasn't I didn't 536 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: want it, but it didn't terrify me, you know. And 537 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: then and then working in gyms, and you know, it's 538 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: like I had my joint on the Highway festival Hall 539 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: boxing ring, and I worked with boxes and grapplers and 540 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: wrestlers and jiu jitsu dudes, and yeah, so I was 541 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: all around, always around people scrapping and you know, big 542 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: egos and testosterone, and so it wasn't like it was 543 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: a foreign thing. 544 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: You know. 545 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't an accountant who had never been in a 546 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: scrap Shout out to the accountants, you know. So I 547 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: didn't want it, but yeah, but again not proud of that. 548 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: My ambition for the rest of my life is never 549 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: to get another altercation, very happily, very happily. 550 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 3: But have you ever had. 551 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: A fight other than out, other than in the ring, Like, 552 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: have you ever got into any pushing and shoving with 553 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: a girl or alive? 554 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: Well, anyone had a good story, a good story. I 555 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: can't believe you're going to make me tell this. I 556 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: might have thrown, I might have thrown. This was just 557 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: before I was a boxer too. I might have thrown 558 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: a punch at a lady she was, she's. 559 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: Any cook. It is my tippany cook. 560 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 2: She was my dad's in inverted comma's friend, and she 561 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: wasn't a good sort. So I might have got upset 562 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: in the moment, and I might have executed some moves. 563 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 3: Did you connect? Yeah, oh look at you. I couldn't 564 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: be proud of. 565 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 2: No, well, I actually wasn't. I shocked myself because I 566 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: didn't think, because I wouldn't do confrontation or conflict or anything. 567 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: And she just pushed my buttons and and and so 568 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: I struck out and wow, she she was on the ground. 569 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: Ah wow, that's that's all I remember thinking, is well, 570 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to jail now. I was so frightened. 571 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: But then I gave her marching. We were in tazzy, 572 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: she was, she was on a holiday, and she just 573 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: was proving not to be a good person. And I 574 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: was getting with the upset. She was taking advantage of 575 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: my good hearted father, and I got mad about it 576 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 2: and I said, and then I'm the next day, I said, 577 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: you can you can go to Sydney now, if you've 578 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: got friends in Sydney. You're not welcome here anymore. And 579 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 2: I thought that my dad might never speak to me again. 580 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: I thought that my dad's my best friend. And he 581 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: had to go back to Melbourne before I did, and 582 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 2: I was still in tazzy. This was over Christmas New Years, 583 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 2: very long time ago, obviously, and he rang me when 584 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: we got back and he said, I just want to 585 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: say thanks, and that was amazing. 586 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: Really yeah, Okay, how many we don't It doesn't sound 587 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: like it this conversation everyone, but we neither of us 588 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: recommend violence unless it's controlled and in a boxing ring 589 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: with a referee. So if there are any kids listening, 590 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: which there definitely aren't, but you know, just give someone 591 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: a hug. Well, actually, no, don't because sometimes that's a 592 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: bad idea too. How long ago was this? 593 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: This would have been two thousand and eight or nine. 594 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 3: Maybe, so fifteen or sixteen years ago. 595 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: Yep, before I was boxing. I didn't start boxing twenty twelve, 596 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: so it was before boxing, So I reckon two thousand 597 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 2: maybe ten. 598 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, it's when you think my dad, I'm like. 599 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: A little pitbull. You do not do not do anything 600 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 2: to my dad because I have got his back. 601 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 3: Man, I'm with you. I'm like that with mum. 602 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: The dude who grabbed my mum in the city on 603 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: the arm, that didn't end well for him. The guy 604 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: that wanted the guy that probably wasn't in the best shape, 605 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: let's be honest, but just approached my mum and grabbed 606 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: mum on the arm and wanted money. That didn't end 607 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: well for him. Let's say he didn't get any money, 608 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: but he did get present from Harps. It wasn't in 609 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: the formative when. 610 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 3: Years ago, fifteen, years ago. 611 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: Ten twelve, Yeah, but did say, well, Mum would just 612 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: stood there in shock, and so did dad. Yeah, but anyway, 613 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: he ended up alright. He didn't get particularly hurt. I 614 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: think nothing. Long term, he won't be doing that again. Oh, 615 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: listen to us, we sound very aggressive. But can I 616 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: say he literally grabbed my mum physically to like accosting her, 617 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: and I was about a meter away looking in the 618 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: other direction, turn around, saw him. 619 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: My dad was in between mum and me. I literally 620 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 3: pushed him backwards and grabbed old mate and just just. 621 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: Moved him away gently from my mother. I just gently 622 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: just moved him off to the. 623 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 2: Side, gently negotiated. 624 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: I just I just relocated him a little bit, just 625 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: for the benefit of everyone. 626 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 3: I went, I think you might be better off over here, Champ. 627 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: That's enough for that. I will tell one more quick 628 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: story about this shit. Is the first night I ever worked. Well, 629 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: that's not true, because I worked in pubs in wa 630 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: when I was eighteen nineteen. 631 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 3: I forgot about that. 632 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: But my first night in Melbourne, I worked at I 633 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: won't say where it was called, because I might get in, 634 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: I might get in trouble, I don't know. But anyway, 635 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: a very well known pub not that far from where. 636 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 3: I'm at now. 637 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: And the first night, in the first hour, I put 638 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: out a bloke who was being very troublesome. Let's say 639 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: that it was about I don't know, ten thirty. He 640 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: was either drunk or high or both. Very problematic he 641 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: was being, and I was quite big and quite strong, 642 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: so I controlled him and walked him out, and I 643 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: walked him through the kind of the double doors in 644 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: the boyer area and down the stairs to the car 645 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: park and told him to go home and you know, 646 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: don't come back in, or words to those effect. And 647 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: then he turned round and I wasn't fully paying attention, 648 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: my bad, and he head butted me and broke my nose. 649 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: That was night one, night, one hour one and I'm like, oh, 650 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: this is ok this is this is worth twelve dollars 651 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: an hour, isn't it Okay? Look at me, Mum and dad, 652 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm killing and you thought I wouldn't amount to anything. 653 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 3: Look at me now, look at me now? 654 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 2: Oh character, because outside of the boxing ring, I would 655 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 2: still flee. People often have said, oh, you'd feel safe 656 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 2: being a boxer. I would run at conflict in the 657 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 2: street still. And I remember being in high school and 658 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 2: somebody was bullying me once and not really punched me, 659 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 2: but kind of pretending to put in their fist like 660 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: against my face and pushing me back into the wall. No, 661 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 2: I chip myself. I wasn't going to do anything like 662 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 2: you know this one time with It was just a 663 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 2: highly charged and she was really pushing the buttons a 664 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 2: little escapade. 665 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: M Well, we're older, we're wiser, and it's a good thing. 666 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: You and I both Buddhists now. 667 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: So I went and sat on the mountain. So I'm different. 668 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 3: Now you're different. You're different. 669 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: Look now, it's been fun, but before we go, I 670 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: just want to I just want to give a little 671 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: bit of a shout out a tribute. Now, you told 672 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: me some sad news today. I didn't know. It only 673 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: happened yesterday. We're recording this Saturday afternoon. And as much 674 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: as we know, correct me if I fuck any of 675 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: this up. Kerwin Ray, who I was going to say, 676 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: is but was a very well known Australian speaker, coach 677 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: mentor does kind of did a lot of the stuff 678 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: that I do. Essentially bigger profile than me, bigger brand 679 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: than me, very well known to as far as I know, 680 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: good guy, how Kerwin was on The You Project, Tiff 681 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: reliably informs me episode four three seven, And yeah, he 682 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: passed away yesterday and I don't know how old he was, 683 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: but like a lot younger than me, like a decade 684 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: younger than me or so. And that's so sad. So 685 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: we want to just send our love and thoughts to 686 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: his friends and family. And you know, it's not funny. 687 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting how you realize how long the show has 688 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: been around now that I think that brings. 689 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 3: To the. 690 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: Total of people who have been on the show who 691 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: are not with us anymore, up to six six people 692 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: who have been on the U Project who are no 693 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: longer with us. So you know, I don't know where 694 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: he is. I don't know what happens these days. I 695 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: don't know what I believe post life. But let's hope 696 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: he's in a better place, and let's hope that his 697 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: family and his friends are okay. And so we've had 698 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: just a recap. So Nima, my friend the pharmacist who 699 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: was on a bunch of times, he passed away. Simon Hammond, 700 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: who was on the show at least once, maybe twice, 701 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: who was a guru in marketing and branding and wrote 702 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 1: at least one or two books. Simon passed away very recently. 703 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: Dr Gladys mcgrary, who we had on I think it 704 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: was about a year ago, about June twenty twenty three 705 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: or something. Doctor Gladys was on at the teenage years 706 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: of one hundred and two. She was and she passed 707 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: away recently just before one hundred and fourth birthday. One 708 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: of the one of my favorite humans that I worked 709 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: with at Sin Kilda Footy Club, who was then the 710 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: captain of Saint Kilda Footy Club, went on to train 711 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: Richmond Football Club and had well documented issues with mental 712 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: health and specifically depression and anxiety. 713 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 3: And was on the show. 714 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: Danny Frawley, who we lovingly referred to as Spud Spud 715 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: passed away a couple of years ago, and then of 716 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: course the very gorgeous and. 717 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 3: Lovable and charismatic Johnny Ruffo. 718 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's I don't know, it's just like it. 719 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 3: I don't know why all. 720 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: Of those affected me, especially Nima, because him and I 721 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: were close and I had dinner with him about three 722 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: or four nights before he passed away. But I think 723 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,959 Speaker 1: because Kerwin Kerwan and I kind of do the same job, 724 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: very similar, and definitely no one or you know, you 725 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you know that, And it just made me 726 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: just have a moment of reflection about my own, you know, mortality, 727 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: you know. 728 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 2: So I think it's it's it really highlights our mortality, 729 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 2: and that's especially when people are around our age, like 730 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 2: I think he was somewhere in his forties, late forties, 731 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 2: maybe like I'm forty one, and it's just like in 732 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 2: a moment, stuff can change, and that's terrifying. 733 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 734 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, And also I mean, I know this is an 735 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: obvious thing to say, but then you go, oh, yeah, 736 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: like all that matters, really, all that matters is the 737 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: people that you love. And all that matters is you know, 738 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: and I know in the day to day nous of 739 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: our you know, of course you've got to pay the 740 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: bills and put petrol in the car and make you 741 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: break in, vacuum the floor and change the doner cover 742 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: and all that, you know, but it's like, yeah, when 743 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: we when we do do a self reflection and when 744 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: we do do a little bit of an audit on well, 745 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: what truly really matters to me? Like beyond the self 746 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: help and the rah rah and the you project, come on, 747 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: you can do it right, and all of that stuff matters, 748 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: but you know what matters most, you know, what matters 749 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: most is that we're here and that you know, like 750 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 1: even with my mum and dad now and they're eighty five, 751 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: Like when anyone asks me what's like, what's your what's 752 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 1: your priority right now? I go, Well, my parents they're 753 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: my priority. Like everything else matters, but nothing matters more 754 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: than them, you know, And so there's nothing that I 755 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't do for them, including you know, dropping this podcast 756 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 1: in a second if that's what I needed to do, 757 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, or you know, like there's nothing like and 758 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: you just go, well, and that's you know, and that's 759 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: hopefully that's not going to be required. But you know, 760 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: it's like with your dad, you know, when when something 761 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: happens like a nothing like even with you and that 762 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: lady because you saw her probably as some kind of 763 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: threat to his whatever he's well well being or he's 764 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: you know whatever, and yeah, that's that so too when 765 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: like like my mum and dad have been sick of 766 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: various times, you know, and lots of surgeries and lots 767 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 1: of literally near death moments. Mum cancer three times, Dad too, 768 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: heart attacks, you know, mum, you know, getting a lung removed, 769 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: and it's like in you know, sitting in the waiting 770 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: room in a hospital when you know your dad has 771 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: a massive heart attack, gets revived twice, then has quadruple 772 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: bypass and you don't know if they're going to come 773 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: out and go sorry he didn't make it, or you 774 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: know he's out of surgery and he's okay, you know, 775 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,720 Speaker 1: like you're just you're sitting there next to your tiny 776 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: little mum, who's the person she loves the most in 777 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: the world, is in there with his destiny in someone 778 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: else's hands. Yeah, all that shit where you go oh yeah, 779 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 1: this is this is it, this is what matters. So anyway, 780 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: that was deep and philosophical, perhaps unnecessarily so. But shout 781 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: out to everyone who has anything or had anything to 782 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: do with Kerwin and family and friends and colleagues and 783 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: people who worked with him, because I think you were 784 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: telling me, or maybe it was Melissa. He had a 785 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: pretty big team that worked with him, you know, and 786 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: so it was a lot more than even within the 787 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: context of his business and his work. 788 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 3: I think there was There's going to be a lot 789 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 3: of people who, for a range of reasons. 790 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: Be devastated on that very somber note. We need to 791 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: maybe raise the energy a little bit before we head off. 792 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: Have you got it's it's nearly five o'clock. Have you 793 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: got any plans for this evening? 794 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 3: Cook? Are you going out? Have you got a date? 795 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 2: I've got no got to be party shoes on tonight. 796 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 2: It's one of the first days or slash nights. I 797 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 2: did some stuff this morning, but that I don't have 798 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 2: plans because the new tip she does things with people. Now, 799 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,240 Speaker 2: it's amazing. 800 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,919 Speaker 3: Where what why is that? Like? Why are you so social? Now? 801 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: Why are you getting out so And I'm seeing lots 802 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: of photos of you with lots of people. I saw 803 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: a photo of you lying on the ground looking at 804 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,280 Speaker 1: the sky today, like snuggled up to some lady. That's fine, 805 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm just like, what's that about. 806 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 2: After I boasted that and read it, I was like, 807 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,399 Speaker 2: that's a very deep and meaningful A lot of people 808 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 2: are going to look at that and think that I've 809 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 2: hooked up with a woman. That was Shannon. That that 810 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 2: was a photo from India. That was Shannon that I 811 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,959 Speaker 2: traveled to India with. It's been She's been really great, 812 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 2: you know, in a rate for a range of reasons. 813 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 2: So I wanted to acknowledge her. But that's you know. 814 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 2: One of the realizations when I got back was I 815 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 2: have just I've put my blinkers on for the last 816 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 2: few years and I've said no, and I've been busy 817 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 2: and i haven't spent time with people, and that's a 818 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,479 Speaker 2: really unbalanced life. And these have been the best couple 819 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 2: of weeks that I've had. It's good. Maybe I will 820 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,240 Speaker 2: reach out to someone and hang out with them tonight. 821 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,359 Speaker 3: Maybe you will. Maybe you will. 822 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: All right, everyone appreciate you, Thanks for listening. See you 823 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: next time.