Speaker 1: Doctor Cam, your big stud, Welcome back to the probably
Speaker 1: less of a stud today than yesterday morning, to be honest,
Speaker 1: but we'll dive into that.
Speaker 2: Doctor Cam. Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: Kate be Harps. And there's no test to say I'm
Speaker 3: less of a stud right now. It could come in time.
Speaker 1: Well that that is true, Well we might as well
Speaker 1: just open the batting with that.
Speaker 2: We were.
Speaker 1: This was not You didn't jump on and say I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this. You were just telling me
Speaker 1: and I said are you brave enough? And you went, oh,
Speaker 1: if we have to. But so we're recording this on
Speaker 1: Tuesday the twenty second and yesterday the twenty first.
Speaker 2: You had a little bit of work.
Speaker 1: Done downstairs in the underbelly of you. You had a sectomy.
Speaker 1: Let's just spit it out, Harps.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling like?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: It's so? It's what is at one o'clock? Now? What
Speaker 2: time did you get that done?
Speaker 4: I got it done one thirty yesterday. It's the most
Speaker 4: surreal experience because you book.
Speaker 3: A half hour session.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, surely this is some sort of
Speaker 4: like the doctor gets to know me type situation because
Speaker 4: I booked a half hour session and you walk in
Speaker 4: there and they give you a little video and he says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll do this this, and this is like oh okay,
Speaker 4: oh it's all happening in a half hour appointment. So
Speaker 4: you get in, you have five minutes of shaking hands
Speaker 4: with the man, and then it's It's just what I
Speaker 4: was so fascinated by was he's done thousands of these
Speaker 4: because he's a vasectomy specialist. What is the order that
Speaker 4: he will do this in that he's obviously learnt over time.
Speaker 4: That creates the greatest amount of comfort, greatest amount efficiency,
Speaker 4: all of that sort of stuff. I just love looking
Speaker 4: at all of that as a process. But anyway, so
Speaker 4: we talked about that later. So you're in, it's he
Speaker 4: explained it to you. You jump down and then he
Speaker 4: just does the things. It's like a one millimeter less
Speaker 4: than a one millimeter incision and the whole thing's done
Speaker 4: about fifteen minutes, so.
Speaker 2: It's like the incision is like the other end of
Speaker 2: a matchstick.
Speaker 4: Less I would say, almost, Yeah, I guess I guess that,
Speaker 4: Like I don't know how he does it, but there
Speaker 4: is the Chinese bit of local anesthetic.
Speaker 3: I just loved his language with this as well, he goes.
Speaker 4: Just a bit of anesthetic, like that you're going to
Speaker 4: instead of you're going to feel a prick.
Speaker 3: It's just a bit of anesthetic. I really well, I
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: You're going to feel a bit of a prick, and
Speaker 1: so is he ish form haunt intended.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm like you in that.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm fascinated with The whole thing is thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: So he's got to meet you, talk to you, try
Speaker 1: to some you know, I'm sure you're pretty okay with it,
Speaker 1: but some guys would be borderline hysterical.
Speaker 2: I would think, probably me included. So you've got to
Speaker 2: do all the.
Speaker 1: Interpersonal stuff and the social stuff and the be the
Speaker 1: doctor or in the patient stuff. They get to know
Speaker 1: you as much as you can, watch the video, do
Speaker 1: an operation, and then be out thirty twenty nine and
Speaker 1: a half minutes later.
Speaker 3: That's a lot.
Speaker 4: It's so fascinating as well, because this is the most
Speaker 4: personal I've ever been with a man ever.
Speaker 3: You know, like I've never never granted the access that
Speaker 3: this guy had, and.
Speaker 4: You walk out at the end of it, and it's like,
Speaker 4: I feel like I've got a real bond with this dude.
Speaker 3: But he's doing tent of them that day. I guess
Speaker 3: I was just thinking about what, like, he's got a fine,
Speaker 3: we now have a.
Speaker 4: Connection, because there was really no connection. But for me,
Speaker 4: it's like, man, this is like one of the biggest
Speaker 4: moments of my reproductive life, the end of it.
Speaker 3: Anyway, that was fascinating.
Speaker 4: But even just yeah, just jump up on you on
Speaker 4: the table with your clothes on. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: and that's when I got my wheels turning. It's like,
Speaker 4: what is he up to here? And he goes, okay, okay,
Speaker 4: now just take see those shorts, just take them down
Speaker 4: to your ankles.
Speaker 3: It's just the language of it all.
Speaker 4: It's it's so fascinating anyway. And then he's just he's
Speaker 4: just spraying it with antiseptic for about a minute.
Speaker 3: Like just with a big, a big home spray.
Speaker 4: Wow, So you drenched in antiseptic by the time that
Speaker 4: it starts.
Speaker 3: And then and.
Speaker 4: Then I look, there's just this background tension in your
Speaker 4: body because you're waiting for, you know, the slaughter to begin.
Speaker 4: And so I just start said, mate, I was just thinking,
Speaker 4: as he's going starting the process, how did you get
Speaker 4: into this? Like he just just fell into us, and
Speaker 4: you can't just fall into something.
Speaker 3: Like this, you know what I mean, so fascinating.
Speaker 4: Like just a heterosexual guy just doing for sectomies all
Speaker 4: day long like that, that to.
Speaker 3: Me blows my mind. He goes, yeah, I just had
Speaker 3: a bit of a knack for it.
Speaker 4: And so apparently you to be thousands of people doing viseectomes,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe maybe two a month, and now there
Speaker 4: are twelve vseectimists that do thousands, Like there's like two
Speaker 4: and a half the sectimists that do eighty percent of
Speaker 4: the vasectoms in Queensland.
Speaker 1: I want the guy that does all of them. I
Speaker 1: want the busiest guy. I want the most skilled, the
Speaker 1: most experienced, the most relaxed. I don't want the dude
Speaker 1: who's doing me to be a little bit uptight while
Speaker 1: he's fucking cutting into my nuts.
Speaker 4: He's been doing them for fifteen years. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm feeling real good at the moment.
Speaker 2: Normally, did you feel did you feel compelled? Sorry, did
Speaker 2: you feel compelled to talk?
Speaker 1: Like would you have felt if you just lay there
Speaker 1: and didn't talk to him, would you have felt weirder?
Speaker 4: No? No, he was very comfortable, So that definitely made
Speaker 4: it more comfortable, and I know that.
Speaker 3: You've always got the choice to talk or not.
Speaker 4: I'm probably just I was just so curious. I'm just
Speaker 4: so curious as to why he would decide to do this.
Speaker 4: And I found halfway through that conversation I relaxed. So
Speaker 4: the talking for me probably helped. Yeah, yeah, rather than
Speaker 4: just trying to feel everything like it was a good distraction.
Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing when you're around somebody who has a
Speaker 1: very high level of skill or competence or mastery at
Speaker 1: something that you've never done, and then you try, like
Speaker 1: they make it look so easy. And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about trying and aseexting me on someone, but you know,
Speaker 1: we're like, oh god, this person, this is so easy
Speaker 1: for them. And so that's that, you know, whatever, ten
Speaker 1: thousand hours. I'm sure it's more or less depending on
Speaker 1: the skill and the individual and all of that, but
Speaker 1: there is definitely a level of you know, like, I
Speaker 1: guess this is a dumb analogy, but for me, I
Speaker 1: started riding motorbikes when I was five and I still
Speaker 1: ride most days of my life, right, so it's whatever
Speaker 1: that is fifty five years of riding motorbikes.
Speaker 2: So For me, it's just.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm obviously subconsciously aware of what I'm doing, but
Speaker 1: riding a motorbike is to me way easier than driving
Speaker 1: a car.
Speaker 2: And I can drive cars okay as well.
Speaker 1: But when I'm teaching someone to ride a motorbike, which
Speaker 1: I've done probably fifty times, where I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I guess when you've got to clutch here in a
Speaker 1: front bake a break over here, and a rear break
Speaker 1: over here, and a gear change here, and you've got
Speaker 1: the indicators down here, and like none of that shit
Speaker 1: you can look at like you can't look away from
Speaker 1: the road, and it's not like in a car where
Speaker 1: it's kind of almost in your line of sight. A
Speaker 1: lot of it obviously not the pedals, But I realize
Speaker 1: how difficult it is to ride a motorbike. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about a scooter, but a motorbike with gears and
Speaker 1: clutch and you know, people don't even realize most people
Speaker 1: they have or non motorcyclists don't realize they have two
Speaker 1: different brakes, right, one for the front wheel for the
Speaker 1: back and yeah, and then you I teach someone, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not easy this is actually really complicated, but
Speaker 1: I've done it ten million times. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: guess it's a version of that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's the and it's probably I.
Speaker 4: Have the same type of experience now and I'm explaining
Speaker 4: precision health for the first time. You have to go
Speaker 4: back to the first time you presented it, when all
Speaker 4: of the brand new information was brand new to you
Speaker 4: as well, and you were really excited just about sharing
Speaker 4: the really really basic stuff. And that's definitely a lesson
Speaker 4: that I've learned too, is there's so much that needs
Speaker 4: to be stepped out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 1: That for somebody like you or me, who's you know,
Speaker 1: among other things, educators, where you're helping people, you're trying
Speaker 1: to help people to help themselves. So you want to
Speaker 1: make the information as user friendly but also accurate, yes,
Speaker 1: as possible. And if I just start banging on about
Speaker 1: like I get asked probably three times a week, what
Speaker 1: is your PhD about? And how I answer that question
Speaker 1: can determine whether or not there's total engagement and curiosity
Speaker 1: and revelation and awareness or just complete fucking bamboozlement. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, all right, well give me one minute
Speaker 1: and I'll give you the very user friendly it's still
Speaker 1: this is what it is, but let me explain it
Speaker 1: in a way where not only you'll get it. And
Speaker 1: it's not because people are dumb that they can't get it,
Speaker 1: of course, it's just a different language. Like you know,
Speaker 1: akademia is just a different language.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you know the idea of when you
Speaker 4: get into research, you realize how long it's going to
Speaker 4: take to understand the entire body of literature, because you know,
Speaker 4: the PhD I did was a Mega three in exercise
Speaker 4: in women completing breast cancer specifically on lean body mass
Speaker 4: and seer reactive protein.
Speaker 3: So any other outcome you need a brand new study.
Speaker 4: It's just it's yeah, so yes, and then the specificity
Speaker 4: of it all, it's crazy. It's all changing that we're
Speaker 4: going away from randomized control trials. The new evolution will
Speaker 4: only be personalized algorithms. That's where it's going to be,
Speaker 4: no more RCTs in time.
Speaker 2: That's well.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The other thing too is I don't want to get
Speaker 1: on anything near a high horse. But you know, when
Speaker 1: people go to me, I've done my research. Like I
Speaker 1: used to say that, I go I've done my research,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I haven't.
Speaker 2: I've watched four fucking videos on YouTube.
Speaker 1: You know where you think, Oh, obviously I did some
Speaker 1: research with my first degree in all of that, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be sound like a bloody academic whatever,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like, oh yeah, it's And then even
Speaker 1: you realize that what a lot of people are saying,
Speaker 1: who do have allegedly some level of credibility and qualification,
Speaker 1: you still can't take that as gospel either. You've still
Speaker 1: got to go away and go because these guys have
Speaker 1: both got PhDs and they're saying quite different shit about
Speaker 1: the same subject matter.
Speaker 2: And then you go, I wonder if either of them
Speaker 2: are selling anything.
Speaker 1: Oh, they both are. See what are they selling? Oh
Speaker 1: they have a program? Oh I wonder if that research
Speaker 1: that they were telling me about kind of lines up
Speaker 1: with what they's you know, And so you just got
Speaker 1: to be I think you've got to pay attention.
Speaker 2: But you've got to be wise, You've got to be discerning.
Speaker 1: You've got to hopefully learn how to definitely not become
Speaker 1: a you know, a guru in reading academic literature, but
Speaker 1: at the least try and understand a little bit of
Speaker 1: what you're opening the door on, so that you know
Speaker 1: when people are bullshitting you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, just and knowing what you don't know
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 4: That's probably the you know, when I came out of dietetics,
Speaker 4: and I saw this in a lot of my medical
Speaker 4: friends as well. I went through through living on campus
Speaker 4: with a bunch of med students as I was studying
Speaker 4: xphiz and you would come up to it, like one
Speaker 4: of these graduated doctors now, and I'd be coming from
Speaker 4: dietetic land and I'd say, oh, yeah, this seems to
Speaker 4: work for that. Oh, there's no evidence for that that
Speaker 4: they've done a day of nutrition in their life, but
Speaker 4: because it's this is where and I was like that
Speaker 4: as well as a dietitian, I know, you just got
Speaker 4: to eat five vegs to fruit. Everyone's got to have
Speaker 4: this many grains and that solves all of our problems.
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, what.
Speaker 4: About this person over here that did this diet and
Speaker 4: got the most amazing results ever, was like, dah.
Speaker 3: Not real.
Speaker 4: You know, you just get you get trained to discard
Speaker 4: the individual, which was yeah, and that the granularity of
Speaker 4: all of that is just it's almost impossible to fathom
Speaker 4: and that that's why that's why AI is say, bloody good,
Speaker 4: that's why it's.
Speaker 3: Going to be brilliant.
Speaker 1: I mean also, like in the same conversation, the amount
Speaker 1: of people who have come to me over the years
Speaker 1: who have gone on my doctor said I shouldn't squat
Speaker 1: or deadlift, and I'm like, Okay, the people again, this
Speaker 1: is people with no injuries. I'm going why because I'm
Speaker 1: going to get injured. I'm like, well, you're going to
Speaker 1: get injured if you fucking don't you know you're going
Speaker 1: to get or there's a there's more of a chance,
Speaker 1: like if we squat intelligently with good technique and with
Speaker 1: very light weights, and the same with deadlifting, or the
Speaker 1: same with any you know, it could be a range
Speaker 1: of compound movements or even isolation movements, but we do
Speaker 1: it the right way with the right kind of intensity
Speaker 1: and sets and reps and volume and workload. But bah,
Speaker 1: bah bah, you're actually just going to build a functional, strong,
Speaker 1: healthy body, not to mention you know, your skeleton and
Speaker 1: the cognitive benefits and all of that stuff. And you know,
Speaker 1: and we love, we love doctors, and we need doctors,
Speaker 1: and doctors are great, but doctors do zero days of
Speaker 1: exercise programming in their course, Like exercise prescription is not
Speaker 1: part of what they study, and so it's funny that
Speaker 1: they would prescribe x other than saying listen, exercise is good.
Speaker 1: But then to be then to specifically tell people what
Speaker 1: they should or shouldn't do in terms of individual movements
Speaker 1: in the gym.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's curious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: And because they have the authority right now, and there's
Speaker 4: a lot of good reason for them to have authority,
Speaker 4: particularly on emergency medicine and all of those types of things.
Speaker 3: It's from medication perspective, it's.
Speaker 4: People get limited, and then you have cowboys that make
Speaker 4: a very compelling argument for something crazy, and then you've
Speaker 4: got the people in the middle that are riding the
Speaker 4: conservative fence. And it's really really hard to be a loud,
Speaker 4: rational voice in the conversation around health.
Speaker 3: It's a game of absolutes. It's either this absolutely works
Speaker 3: or it absolutely doesn't.
Speaker 4: And only even in a long form you know, podcasting
Speaker 4: and things like that where you can actually really get
Speaker 4: into it, people still just take away the simple details
Speaker 4: and the reels that come out of them are quite absolute.
Speaker 4: In the recommendations that are provided, so it's it's yeah,
Speaker 4: it's very, very difficult to know that you're actually working
Speaker 4: with the right information.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like when somebody like Craig Harper
Speaker 1: says on a podcast, doctors aren't really trying to prescribe
Speaker 1: exercise specifically, and then people go, oh, what do you
Speaker 1: have against doctors? I'm like, did you fucking listen to
Speaker 1: what I said? I love doctors, don't most things don't
Speaker 1: talk to me. I'm a dickhead. If it's a medical condition,
Speaker 1: if it's any you know, but if it's actually how
Speaker 1: to write an exercise program for an individual based on
Speaker 1: their current kind of needs and goals and physiology, I'm
Speaker 1: actually trained, very well trained for that. They're not, which
Speaker 1: is not to say they're not brilliant and important.
Speaker 2: You know, they're great.
Speaker 1: But just like I wouldn't want him or her to
Speaker 1: build my barbecue out of bricks because they're not fucking
Speaker 1: trained for that, you know. I want the brick layer
Speaker 1: with the skills to come to my joint to build
Speaker 1: the barbecue, not the surta gin.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Speaking of exercise, I'll go and you're going to tell
Speaker 2: me something.
Speaker 3: Just one last comment.
Speaker 4: Similarly, the doctors are under quite a bit of pressure
Speaker 4: to know it all because the patient's expected, and that's
Speaker 4: that's one of the other factors that they come in
Speaker 4: fex Me, let's go, I've got ten minutes to sort
Speaker 4: my life out, and you're going to fix me. So
Speaker 4: that's an additional pressure that's been placing into what were
Speaker 4: you going to say?
Speaker 2: One percent?
Speaker 1: And I mean, like honestly, and I'm not being I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that smooth. And I think doctors are great.
Speaker 1: I mean I've got a doctor who's my doctor. I
Speaker 1: love my doctor who's a little bit like did you
Speaker 1: ever see that show House?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that TV? Do you know?
Speaker 1: He was like a like a medical sleuth, like a
Speaker 1: medical detective.
Speaker 2: My dude's really good. He'll just sit there and he
Speaker 2: gives you long appointments.
Speaker 1: You pay for them, but and he will just work
Speaker 1: through everything methodically and ask you brilliant questions.
Speaker 2: There's no urgency.
Speaker 1: And then like I went in there, I've got this
Speaker 1: thing where I don't know what you think. You might
Speaker 1: have an opinion. You're a doctor, different kind, but you're
Speaker 1: a doctor. So I have this thing where my ear
Speaker 1: is one or the other and sometimes both block. I
Speaker 1: think it's you station tube dysfunction. That's my self diagnosis,
Speaker 1: right anyway, So I went into him and I said, look,
Speaker 1: this is and it's not painful and it's not life threatening.
Speaker 1: It's just a fucking annoyance, especially when I'm on stage talking,
Speaker 1: when it's like I'm talking a room full of people
Speaker 1: and I've got a bucket on my head and i
Speaker 1: can hear my own voice coming back. It's not coming back,
Speaker 1: but it seems like it's coming back in my own head.
Speaker 1: And it's so it makes it very hard to be
Speaker 1: really good at what you do because it's like a
Speaker 1: massive in the moment distraction.
Speaker 2: And so he just sat there and just.
Speaker 1: Walked me through all this stuff, of these potentials, and
Speaker 1: then we finished and he goes, all right, so here's
Speaker 1: our plan. It's a five step plan starting from now.
Speaker 1: This is what we're doing.
Speaker 4: And he just.
Speaker 1: Mapped out this whole. I'm like, you're good, Yeah, you're good,
Speaker 1: like and he went, we're going to start with this.
Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, then we're going to do this.
Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, you're going to go get this done.
Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, you know, there was this whole
Speaker 1: contingency and it made total sense, and I went, Fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'd rather pay two hundred bucks for you
Speaker 1: than one hundred bucks or for somebody else who you know, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just you get the right person, whether or not
Speaker 1: they're a dietitian or an exercise physiologist or a medical
Speaker 1: doctor or a you know whatever whoever sectimist, Like there's
Speaker 1: within reason, you know, there's no price that's too high
Speaker 1: if they're great at what they do.
Speaker 2: Speaking of exercise, you were telling me that.
Speaker 1: You've you've been doing a deep dive for the last
Speaker 1: seven weeks and you're kind of in getting in really,
Speaker 1: I mean you're always in good shape, but you feel
Speaker 1: like you've maken a bit of ground and a bit
Speaker 1: of a breakthrough over the last while.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd have you because the last two or three years,
Speaker 4: my body has been a bit odd.
Speaker 3: It's just been not responding the way that it used to.
Speaker 4: And I know that we did an episode on the
Speaker 4: retreat and the release of all of the things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, following that, I've.
Speaker 4: Had about six centimeters come off my waist. There's obviously
Speaker 4: some sort of background stress that was released at that time,
Speaker 4: and it is fascinating and I've just but I started
Speaker 4: at the same time I started at the gym. Normally,
Speaker 4: I would never pay for a gym just because I'm
Speaker 4: a tight ass and.
Speaker 3: This, but this guy is running.
Speaker 4: It's fifty five dollars a week, which I think is
Speaker 4: absolute extortion for a gym membership. However, it's turned out
Speaker 4: to be the greatest of investments I could have ever made.
Speaker 3: It's it's just small group.
Speaker 4: There's no anywhere between six to twelve, six to ten
Speaker 4: people on it in an hour block.
Speaker 3: He has a five thirty, six thirty nine.
Speaker 4: O'clock class, and the six thirty class just fits my
Speaker 4: schedule perfectly, like nothing really seems to interrupt it. Forty
Speaker 4: five minutes and I'm going five days a week and
Speaker 4: he's got a couple of upper body, a lower body,
Speaker 4: a mobility and then an all body session. I am
Speaker 4: in Heaven's two hundre meters down the road, so I
Speaker 4: just go.
Speaker 3: I do the workout it and.
Speaker 4: Even still because when I met him, I said, mate,
Speaker 4: my body it needs higher rep range.
Speaker 3: It's better in a lactic acid space.
Speaker 4: And we've just been doing a bunch of heavy eccentric
Speaker 4: work to start with, which is not ideal for my
Speaker 4: body first thing in the morning. But I'm just getting
Speaker 4: on with it and doing the thing. But it has
Speaker 4: been so good to be consistent. And I will say
Speaker 4: that this guy I haven't met, he's twenty six. He
Speaker 4: is a standout human, stand out him. He's just a
Speaker 4: great dude. He's got it seems like no ego, but
Speaker 4: a really healthy sense of self. I look at him, go,
Speaker 4: She's like, I can take some lessons from you, mate,
Speaker 4: Like just the he won some Brazilian jiu jitsu competition
Speaker 4: for Queensland, like a couple of weekends ago.
Speaker 3: So man, how is your weekend? He goes, Yeah, good man.
Speaker 4: I competed, came first, and I was just I was
Speaker 4: just observing, like what energy is coming along with him,
Speaker 4: just announcing that he's comforst There was nothing there.
Speaker 3: Was just this is just the way that it is.
Speaker 4: And it just so happens that I did this, And
Speaker 4: I'm actually pretty happy that.
Speaker 3: I came first.
Speaker 4: And I was like, mate, if I had.
Speaker 3: I'm virtually not even there now, I'd be gloating a little.
Speaker 4: Bit for sure, that I've been blown away by this
Speaker 4: dude and his physical intelligence, like the way that he
Speaker 4: understands his body moves, his body demonstrates movement. Ah, it's
Speaker 4: it's profound, and he's done just a really good job
Speaker 4: at setting up the program.
Speaker 3: It's designed and the class is full of forty to
Speaker 3: fifty year olds.
Speaker 4: It is designed for those bodies where every scap retraction
Speaker 4: is overemphasized, every activation is really it becomes the difficulty
Speaker 4: in the movement is to really use those stabilizers correctly.
Speaker 4: And that it's just been because normally I just try
Speaker 4: and flog myself by how many push ups can I do?
Speaker 4: How many pools can I do? It's been so good
Speaker 4: for intelligent movement. It's exactly what my body's needed. And
Speaker 4: it's like it's just changed in the last six or
Speaker 4: seven weeks.
Speaker 1: It's been brilliant, but also one that's amazing well done
Speaker 1: and great to see that or great to hear that
Speaker 1: you love it and that you're getting results. But also,
Speaker 1: apart from the actual programming and the movement that you're doing,
Speaker 1: how great is it to be an environment with another
Speaker 1: human that you really like, Like the energy is different.
Speaker 2: You could be doing the exact same thing. Shit environment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's dark and dank, and it's not I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, you just like I fucking hate
Speaker 1: going to that gym. It's like there's a cafe the
Speaker 1: cafe go to every morning. I walk past literally eight
Speaker 1: or nine cafes to get to this cafe because I
Speaker 1: just love the energy in that cafe, you know, I
Speaker 1: like being in that place.
Speaker 2: There's something energetic that works for me.
Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me about the jiu jitsu thing, though,
Speaker 1: because I've got a bunch of friends who do jiu
Speaker 1: jitsu and I'm mentor a young guy who's has his
Speaker 1: own jiu jitsu academy. Is a second dan black belt,
Speaker 1: which there are not many takes typically ten years if
Speaker 1: you train consistently to get a black belt in jiu jitsu.
Speaker 1: It's considered the hardest belt to get in any martial
Speaker 1: art as far as I know.
Speaker 2: It might be some weird.
Speaker 1: Like mystical martial art somewhere, but in terms of all
Speaker 1: the general martial arts, and he's the same. He's just
Speaker 1: like this big, goofy gent giant. He's a school teacher,
Speaker 1: he's married, he's got two kids, and he could kill
Speaker 1: everybody in the gym. But it just he is like
Speaker 1: Humphrey be Bear. He's like six', four gentle, giant you,
Speaker 1: know and but very like a lot of those dudes.
Speaker 1: Are it's very much about respect and honor and self
Speaker 1: awareness and self control and. Humility and when they start
Speaker 1: from a white belt and they just they just grind
Speaker 1: and they spend years on the. Mat there's not many
Speaker 1: that the fat heads don't get.
Speaker 2: Through they kind of get.
Speaker 1: Culled if you've got a, big fat, ego you're going
Speaker 1: to get strangled by, someone and you're going to learn
Speaker 1: your lessons.
Speaker 4: And strangled by people that are much smaller and seemingly much,
Speaker 4: weaker but they just know.
Speaker 3: Exactly where to do things and how to do.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah it's, Yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's always been a wants me to investigate that
Speaker 4: part of my, life But i'm just too much of
Speaker 4: a computer.
Speaker 3: Soldier it just hasn't warranted a physical prowess.
Speaker 1: Yet tell me About so you've lost six centimeters around
Speaker 1: your waist and you said that off the back of
Speaker 1: this kind of moment that you had on this retreat
Speaker 1: where if you missed, it everybody have listened to our last,
Speaker 1: chat but like a big emotional release and you had
Speaker 1: this moment and this kind of you correct me IF
Speaker 1: i fuck it, up but kind of awakening or this.
Speaker 1: Moment what's the between that, moment that emotional, release or
Speaker 1: that moment in time and the six. Centimeters what's the
Speaker 1: physiology that's leading.
Speaker 3: That is it?
Speaker 1: Cortisol is it you're end the crime system in? General
Speaker 1: is it something? Else what's the why is one causing
Speaker 1: or correlating with the? Other?
Speaker 4: Yep so what was IF i had to put some
Speaker 4: physiology into. It by the way that my brain is set,
Speaker 4: up there was like a constant fear of failure going
Speaker 4: on in my, brain and so When i'd project, Forward
Speaker 4: i'd be really, motivated but Then i'd also fear.
Speaker 3: That it's going to.
Speaker 4: Fail and so there's this constant state of heightened neural.
Speaker 4: Activity and for, me that activates the sympathetic nervous system
Speaker 4: and the sympathetic nervous, system then it will.
Speaker 3: Do a couple of. Things, chronically it will release a
Speaker 3: bit of.
Speaker 4: Cortisol but what it does to the tissue is that
Speaker 4: it will prioritize storing fat around your, belly and it
Speaker 4: will break down muscle tissue to, fuel like to provide
Speaker 4: more fuel to liberate more fuel into the, body and
Speaker 4: it will also break down more fat tissue and have
Speaker 4: more fat circulating around your blood as.
Speaker 3: Well but if you're then not moving.
Speaker 4: Very, well WHICH i wasn't BECAUSE i just couldn't get
Speaker 4: my brain into a space WHERE i could do it,
Speaker 4: consistently that then relates to high cholesterol, levels higher truglys,
Speaker 4: strides WHICH i. Had high cholesterol levels weren't, crazy but
Speaker 4: they are definitely. Higher And i've always been pretty, healthy
Speaker 4: and my diet was on, point AND i did probably
Speaker 4: two months of perfect diet and my body just did
Speaker 4: not shift at. ALL i was sitting seven to eight
Speaker 4: kilos heavy THAN i ever. Had and, yeah and so
Speaker 4: As i've come out of, that there's now less neural
Speaker 4: activity that's being over, activated which Means i'm going into better.
Speaker 3: Recovery i'm not projecting with, anxiety.
Speaker 4: So there's less of that, breakdown and that's then obviously
Speaker 4: allowing the fat tissue to be. Used and THEN i
Speaker 4: also got my head into a space Where i'm now
Speaker 4: moving a lot. Better that's combining with whatever is being
Speaker 4: Released i'm. Using so And i'm putting a priority on
Speaker 4: my muscles Because i'm doing the type of strength training that.
Speaker 3: Allowed to do.
Speaker 4: That so the focus of my body has gone From
Speaker 4: i've just got to mentally get through this and keep
Speaker 4: dumping fuel on the fire and keep burning that, muscle
Speaker 4: whereas now, it's, hey we need that, muscle and there's
Speaker 4: actually not a bigger fire.
Speaker 3: Anymore so it's there's a conservation.
Speaker 4: Of, muscle and then there's a use of the fat tissue,
Speaker 4: instead and then you're not having the cortisole release as,
Speaker 4: well so it's able to target the stuff that's going.
Speaker 3: On and then Since i've checked my just checked my
Speaker 3: bloods last, week it's like my.
Speaker 4: Thyroil even THOUGH i didn't have a problem functionally, FUNCTIONALLY
Speaker 4: i had a problem with my. Thyroid actually it's gone
Speaker 4: back to exactly where it needs to. BE i cholesterol
Speaker 4: levels going back to. Normal there's just been a significant physiological.
Speaker 4: Change and a skeptic could just say you started exercising,
Speaker 4: more so that's what's made it.
Speaker 3: Happen but there has.
Speaker 4: Been just my, motivation my, willingness my mental, energy just
Speaker 4: the optimism THAT i, have the space That i'm.
Speaker 3: Holding it's just, very, very very.
Speaker 4: Different and that changed BEFORE i got really regular with
Speaker 4: the exercise as, Well so it's a combination of. Things but,
Speaker 4: yeah that's that's HOW i would explain what's going.
Speaker 3: On love.
Speaker 1: It you spoke in there, somewhere maybe towards the start about.
Speaker 1: Fear like fear can be, useful obviously serves a, purpose
Speaker 1: it can also be destructive and debilitating and. Crippling and
Speaker 1: you know this IS i don't know if this is
Speaker 1: in your, wheelhouse doesn't.
Speaker 2: Matter we're just having a.
Speaker 1: Chat tell me about, Fear tell me about your thinking
Speaker 1: around that when like for, Yourself Like i'm scared of,
Speaker 1: them you, know WHEN i talk to, blokes or not just,
Speaker 1: blokes but people in a room in. General BUT i
Speaker 1: like it WHEN i talk to blokes can go, well
Speaker 1: of Course i'm scared of shit BECAUSE i feel like
Speaker 1: it gives them permission to.
Speaker 2: Go oh Thank god for.
Speaker 1: That me, too because us, blokes we don't want to
Speaker 1: be you, know we're out for. Males we're not scared of,
Speaker 1: anything which is. Bullshit we're scared of every fucking second.
Speaker 1: Thing we just don't want you to know because we
Speaker 1: want you to think much better than we actually, are you. Know,
Speaker 1: Yeah so tell me about you and fear and how
Speaker 1: you within the three sixty kind of.
Speaker 2: Paradigm you talk about.
Speaker 3: That, Yep so well it's.
Speaker 4: START i guess there's going to be it's going to.
Speaker 4: Start there's going to be a, input an input of
Speaker 4: some sort of stimulus, something and it gets coded for.
Speaker 4: Something an example would be you're walking along a bush
Speaker 4: track and you see a long brown thing out of
Speaker 4: the corner of your.
Speaker 3: Eye because your peripherle vision isn't, perfect.
Speaker 4: You're, amgdala which is your it's like a big emotional.
Speaker 4: Responder it's going to just take the rough particles of
Speaker 4: that and it's going to apply a few meanings to.
Speaker 4: It and if you're an outdoorsman and you and, you
Speaker 4: you've got a terrarium with seventeen brown snakes and you're
Speaker 4: kissing them each, morning your response to that is going to, be,
Speaker 4: oh a new.
Speaker 3: Friend you, know it's going to be.
Speaker 4: Excitement but for most people it's going to be holy,
Speaker 4: crap that's a. Snake i've got to quicken my speed.
Speaker 4: Here and then actually it turns out to be a,
Speaker 4: stick but that doesn't. Matter but the idea is that
Speaker 4: you're taking rough data and you're creating a story out of,
Speaker 4: that and then this is where it gets really.
Speaker 3: Interesting is that.
Speaker 4: Some people will send that message to their, adrenals some
Speaker 4: people will send it to their, cortex which is the
Speaker 4: front part of their brain or the prefront of, cortex
Speaker 4: and other individuals will send it to their digestive. System
Speaker 4: and this is where it gets really interesting in.
Speaker 3: How we respond to.
Speaker 4: Stress so you'll have the more introverted, people so people like,
Speaker 4: me and we call them crusaders and, sensors and they
Speaker 4: develop with a more, powerful a more dominant prefrontal, cortex
Speaker 4: more dominant, cortex and they rely on their cortex a
Speaker 4: lot more to manage all the stuff that goes on
Speaker 4: in their. Life and so that's WHY i talk about
Speaker 4: me where it's LIKE i have a bigger sympathetic drive from.
Speaker 4: Outside so you've got some people that they send that
Speaker 4: amygdalic message of fear and it goes up to their
Speaker 4: brain where they start going something's. WRONG i have to
Speaker 4: comprehend it, mentally and that's where anxiety, occurs like fear
Speaker 4: of what's going to happen, next and there's like a
Speaker 4: whole cycling and that's when you can trigger off lots
Speaker 4: of different thought, Processes like WHEN i felt this fear
Speaker 4: before it meant That i'm not going to be included or.
Speaker 4: Whatever and so this one little bit of input from
Speaker 4: someone giving you a funny little, look or getting a
Speaker 4: particular mark on an assessment that you've handed, in or
Speaker 4: getting a bit of feedback from a, team that's just
Speaker 4: not so great that for me and a couple of
Speaker 4: other types of people that will stimulate the cortex and
Speaker 4: make them. Overthink and they are often the type of
Speaker 4: people that go through their life to, say, oh you
Speaker 4: just thinking about this too. Much you just got to
Speaker 4: get out of your, brain and they. Do but it's
Speaker 4: also the place that they house the most. Power so
Speaker 4: them thinking through it is actually really helpful because they
Speaker 4: articulate their feelings as.
Speaker 3: Thought and so if they for those.
Speaker 4: People framing it mentally framing it is really really important to, say,
Speaker 4: Oh i'm walking in the. Bush there's a chance there's a,
Speaker 4: snake and this is WHAT i do WHEN i see a.
Speaker 4: SNAKE i pause to make sure what it, is and
Speaker 4: THEN i make my follow the steps to avoiding a
Speaker 4: brown snake or whatever it might. Be and that's how
Speaker 4: they would process their. Fear whereas do you want to
Speaker 4: jump in, there jump me to keep?
Speaker 2: Going, no, no that's, good that's.
Speaker 4: Cool and then the second kind of, person just to
Speaker 4: keep it in three groups to make it nice and,
Speaker 4: simple they're going to stimulate their.
Speaker 3: Adrenals so they're going to be.
Speaker 4: The type of person that goes into hyper reactive, mode
Speaker 4: and that is you've stimulated.
Speaker 3: Me Now i'm, reacting and its action.
Speaker 4: Reaction it is adrenaline plus musculoskeletal, system so it's action without.
Speaker 3: Thinking it's amygdala. Adrenals and so this is.
Speaker 4: The type of person that's just more likely to jump
Speaker 4: on the snake or just, sprint or if they get bad,
Speaker 4: feedback they're more like to, say if you none of
Speaker 4: this is, TRUE i hate you.
Speaker 3: All, like just do something and not even think about.
Speaker 4: It or it's also the type of person that if
Speaker 4: you give them, challenge they, go, WHATEVER i can do
Speaker 4: it faster than, you and then they just do it
Speaker 4: because they're.
Speaker 3: Competitive so there's.
Speaker 4: A musculo skeletal response and it bypasses the. Cortex and
Speaker 4: then you have another person and this so that person
Speaker 4: they're called the activator and, connector and then we have
Speaker 4: the guardian and the, diplomat and there's a little bit
Speaker 4: of cross over, here but this is just for the
Speaker 4: purpose of this story right. Now this is where you'll
Speaker 4: get a in their stress. Response they have a dorsal vaguel.
Speaker 4: Response and from if you understand a little bit about
Speaker 4: the vagus, nerve there is healthy activation of the vagus,
Speaker 4: nerve which Is i'm, calm relaxed with friends and this is,
Speaker 4: wonderful And i'm digesting my food and this is a
Speaker 4: really lovely. Environment i'm feeling very open and LIKE i
Speaker 4: want to connect with. People that's a healthy vegas nerve.
Speaker 4: Response and then you have that's ventral. Vaguel and there's
Speaker 4: the dorsal vaguel, response which is essentially a stress response
Speaker 4: that shuts your body down into a. Freeze and so
Speaker 4: the way that they'll experience it is their digestive system
Speaker 4: will rear up like it will actually.
Speaker 3: Create irregularities in their digestive.
Speaker 4: System their face will actually, freeze so their voice will
Speaker 4: change as.
Speaker 3: Well this is all dorsal vaguel.
Speaker 4: Response so you'll have someone turn around their stiff as
Speaker 4: aboard and they'll, say, um there's a snake over, There
Speaker 4: like their.
Speaker 3: Voice has, changed face has. Changed, now what's so fascinating about?
Speaker 4: This and you'll know this from public speaking when diplomats,
Speaker 4: particularly and that they have this response because they're fighting
Speaker 4: between the first and the last, one which is their
Speaker 4: nervous system goes a million miles an hour and their
Speaker 4: digestive system like shuts, off so they're in this like paralysis.
Speaker 4: Analysis when you're public speaking in front of these, people
Speaker 4: their face is, lank almost, tense and you care, thinking,
Speaker 4: oh what AM i saying wrong to this?
Speaker 3: Person and they're one of the first people to come
Speaker 3: up with the.
Speaker 4: Affter the session to say, great session got so much
Speaker 4: out of, That and that's Because.
Speaker 2: I've had that happen so so many. Times this person
Speaker 2: fucking hates. Me, YES i loved.
Speaker 4: It. Yeah so when they're taking on new, information it
Speaker 4: actually creates a stress response for them because they're trying
Speaker 4: to fit it into the tree of knowledge that they
Speaker 4: have and they need time to process. It in while that's,
Speaker 4: happening they, freeze and so they get a physiological. Freeze
Speaker 4: their digestive is a little bit, off and their face
Speaker 4: actually Shows i'm not, Happy i'm not. Comfortable and normally
Speaker 4: what's fascinating about this as well is this was.
Speaker 3: A signal to our community that this person's in.
Speaker 4: Trouble but right, now if you see somebody like that
Speaker 4: and they've got a freezed face and they're in a
Speaker 4: team meeting because you're doing a, presentation you, think.
Speaker 3: What the hell is wrong With?
Speaker 4: Jane you, know you're not, thinking, Oh jane Was gane
Speaker 4: was in a free state and there was a state
Speaker 4: of alarm on her.
Speaker 3: Face so, yes that's a fascinating.
Speaker 4: Thing so some people when they get, stressed they'll go
Speaker 4: into adrenaline and they deal through, action and they process
Speaker 4: their adrenaline through. Movement another person they actually need to
Speaker 4: go away by themselves and they need to process it
Speaker 4: and reprioritize and think through it and get structure and
Speaker 4: get logic and get a frame of mind around, it
Speaker 4: whereas somebody else actually needs to, breathe you, know four seconds,
Speaker 4: in eight seconds. Out that then puts them into a
Speaker 4: healthy vaguel response that isn't a free spont. Response so
Speaker 4: THAT'S i, mean when we're talking about, fear obviously it's
Speaker 4: all of this inputs coming in in the same. Way
Speaker 4: what you determine is, fear well determine on the experiences
Speaker 4: that you've had in your life and various things like.
Speaker 4: That but how you process that fear is going to
Speaker 4: be quite. Different and this is why some people are
Speaker 4: they just so great in an. Emergency i'm not great
Speaker 4: in an. Emergency i'm. Okay BUT i sit with my
Speaker 4: activator friends and they are just dang bang, dang like
Speaker 4: as soon as the shit HiT's the, fan they are
Speaker 4: just they've already solved the. Problem it's the most amazing
Speaker 4: thing to see. Ever and they're so certain about their
Speaker 4: decisions because they're not thinking about, it Whereas i'm going into,
Speaker 4: okay there's seven different things that this could be going.
Speaker 4: On i've got to be working through what's the highest
Speaker 4: priority one blah blah, blah bah blah and so on
Speaker 4: seconds behind, them whereas somebody else they're just they become,
Speaker 4: passive they retreat completely into their into a freeze. Response
Speaker 4: so that's that's the that's the framework that we're normally working.
Speaker 1: With it's, funny so so many things out of that
Speaker 1: for me one AND i just think this is How i'm.
Speaker 2: BUILT i don't think it's any, UH i don't know
Speaker 2: Anything i've really.
Speaker 1: Developed but when my training partner had a cardiac, arrest
Speaker 1: do you remember this?
Speaker 3: Story did you know THAT i know of the story
Speaker 3: but it remind me.
Speaker 2: Ay so he dropped dead in the, gym literally right
Speaker 2: and we were.
Speaker 1: Training he did a set of, chins came, down fell
Speaker 1: on the, floor went on his hands and. KNEES i
Speaker 1: thought he was having some kind of, seizure which kind
Speaker 1: of was his heart was, ceasing cardiac. Arrest, Dead and
Speaker 1: so it took me a minute to figure out what was.
Speaker 1: Happening not a, minute probably ten seconds to go. On
Speaker 1: now he's Had i'd enough it was a heart attack
Speaker 1: or cardiac. Arrest but the bottom line was his heart had. Stopped,
Speaker 1: obviously people have heart attacks without their heart, stopping but
Speaker 1: his heart had, stopped and all this shit THAT i
Speaker 1: won't describe for the listeners was going. On and so
Speaker 1: AND i, mean it's not like it was, fun but
Speaker 1: within you, know ten, Seconds i'd turned him.
Speaker 2: Over he was on face. Down i'd turn him.
Speaker 1: OVER i got him into a position WHERE i could
Speaker 1: work on, him AND i was working on. Him but
Speaker 1: what was interesting for me WAS i didn't feel out
Speaker 1: of control at any. AGE i didn't feel you, KNOW
Speaker 1: i didn't feel, calm BUT i didn't FEEL.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the word is like extreme.
Speaker 1: STRESS i was just very very, focused and there was
Speaker 1: about another twenty people in the gym and nobody would
Speaker 1: come and. Help, yeah everybody else was freaked the fuck.
Speaker 1: Out and by the, WAY i don't think this is
Speaker 1: any kind of accolade for, me BECAUSE i think it's
Speaker 1: just HOW i am And i'm very grateful for. That but,
Speaker 1: yeah AND i guess one of the other THINGS i
Speaker 1: wanted to.
Speaker 2: Ask or as SOMETHING i wanted to ask around this is.
Speaker 1: You, know it's, like we do have the way that
Speaker 1: we naturally respond to different, things or our body or
Speaker 1: our brain or our mind or, whatever our kind of
Speaker 1: automatic response to whatever the.
Speaker 2: Stimulus is or stimuli.
Speaker 1: Are but it's in our interest sometimes to be able
Speaker 1: to change that because we Need we. Can't IF i
Speaker 1: keep responding this, WAY i can't do. Life and my
Speaker 1: one last boring story is WHEN i. MOVED i moved
Speaker 1: To Western australia WHEN i was nineteen years, old Which
Speaker 1: i'm pretty sure you don't know this, story AND i
Speaker 1: worked on what's called an aluminium, refinery was the aluminium
Speaker 1: refinery for a, year, yeah as a trades, assistant and
Speaker 1: then an unlicensed rigor which is working on. Heights AND
Speaker 1: i wasn't terrified of, heights BUT i didn't love. THEM
Speaker 1: i was probably average and then. Over and so WHEN
Speaker 1: i the first, day like my godfather was a he
Speaker 1: was in, management there was three thousand men on this.
Speaker 1: Site it was fucking it was as big as a.
Speaker 1: Town it was just dirt.
Speaker 2: And trucks and generators and fucking wild wild. Men no.
Speaker 2: Women it was just the Wild. West and my godfather,
Speaker 2: said when your supervisor asks you if you're afraid of,
Speaker 2: heights say. No and when they ask you where you're,
Speaker 2: from do not Say. VICTORIA i went. Cool that was
Speaker 2: his two bits of, advice. Right they fucking Hated, Victorians
Speaker 2: and SO i SAID i was From, tazzy WHICH i
Speaker 2: lived In tazzy for a long time as a. Kid
Speaker 2: SO i got away with. That and but, yeah the
Speaker 2: first DAY i had to climb up the side of
Speaker 2: a Great WHEN i say great, BIG i mean fourteen
Speaker 2: stories high tank which was built to contain gas which
Speaker 2: hadn't been operationalized.
Speaker 1: Yet but it didn't have you know how they have
Speaker 1: ladders welded to the tank or that whatever the welded
Speaker 1: and the cage around it didn't have that.
Speaker 3: Yet, yeah it.
Speaker 1: Had the, well it Had, sorry it had the, ladder
Speaker 1: but it didn't have the safety shit around. It and he,
Speaker 1: goes your, team so you work as a team of,
Speaker 1: three a welder and a welder and a boiler maker
Speaker 1: and a trades. Assistant i'm the trades. Assistant he, goes
Speaker 1: you're working with these two guys up the. Top rob
Speaker 1: And benny go up in introduce yourself AND i go
Speaker 1: go up and he, goes, YEAH i go how how
Speaker 1: DO i get?
Speaker 2: Up and he's, like what do you. Mean it's, like,
Speaker 2: well there's a.
Speaker 1: Ladder so it's one hundred and forty feet, high, mate
Speaker 1: like fourteen stories and there's. Nothing if you, fall you,
Speaker 1: fall you just fu, yeah like you're just. Dead so we.
Speaker 2: Are the guys that make it safe for. Everyone SO
Speaker 2: i climb up fourteen, stories fourteen, stories carrying like a
Speaker 2: tool belt and all this, shit AND i get to the.
Speaker 2: Top my heart rate was fucking nine. THOUSAND i was
Speaker 2: the most Scared i've ever, like not even. Close i'd
Speaker 2: never been anywhere near that scared in my.
Speaker 3: Life oh my. God six months.
Speaker 1: LATER i was walking around on, rsj's which are steel,
Speaker 1: beams like they were, Footpaths Like i'd been completely whatever
Speaker 1: it is is my. Responses i've been. DESENSITIZED i, MEAN
Speaker 1: i was still very aware how dangerous it, was but
Speaker 1: the fear and all the accompanying physiological you, know events
Speaker 1: in my, body they'd all but.
Speaker 2: Disappeared. Wow then it's just, like, OH i, MEAN i
Speaker 2: don't know if everyone could like to we all have
Speaker 2: the capacity to, change because, REALLY i, mean it's about
Speaker 2: how you interpret whatever that.
Speaker 1: Is, like fear is an individual, response as is all
Speaker 1: of the physiology that goes with.
Speaker 4: It, Right, YES i would say that everyone's got a
Speaker 4: capacity to deamplify that stress response and to normalize themselves within.
Speaker 4: It but then there's a difference between that and some
Speaker 4: people enjoying the sensation of that risk as. Well so
Speaker 4: some people and the reason that they would enjoy, it,
Speaker 4: yeah is because and as we have sort of summized
Speaker 4: through our years of, interactions you're probably in between the
Speaker 4: activator connector piece and the. Andres you actually have more
Speaker 4: access to, steroids so you produce more, steroids and so
Speaker 4: when you get into a place that requires, steroids which
Speaker 4: is when you're at, risk you've got a capacity to
Speaker 4: hold them, on whereas somebody. Else we talk about the dipmat,
Speaker 4: again they are high pos steroidal and so are, sensus
Speaker 4: so they. Can't they would go into a significant exhaustion
Speaker 4: after that exposure to that level of. Stress they wouldn't
Speaker 4: recover as fast and they would have less tolerance for
Speaker 4: that state of. Petrification, essentially whereas somebody with the strongest
Speaker 4: deroidal structure and ability to create, it they've got, YE
Speaker 4: i can make, that AND i could make that, again
Speaker 4: AND i could make that, again so everybody could de
Speaker 4: amplify the.
Speaker 3: Response but then some people physiologically aren't.
Speaker 4: Built to be able to sustain the background risk that's
Speaker 4: going on as. Well and this is why you'll see
Speaker 4: people that, SAY i don't walk around on. BUILDINGS i
Speaker 4: work from home in a very dimly lit room which
Speaker 4: is nice and calm and, warm where there's zero, risk
Speaker 4: because my adrenals just can't tolerate more than twenty minutes
Speaker 4: of stress at the. Time so, yeah, yeah and, yeah
Speaker 4: that's fascinating, though just the impact of. EXPOSURE i was
Speaker 4: sweating while you were telling that.
Speaker 3: Story was all over.
Speaker 2: One other quick, one not as.
Speaker 1: Exciting BUT i did security FOR i don't know three
Speaker 1: and a half or four years WHEN i was younger
Speaker 1: WHEN i got back To. Melbourne so from like twenty
Speaker 1: to twenty, FOUR i worked in pubs and clubs AND
Speaker 1: i didn't drink, right SO i never really went to.
Speaker 1: PUBS i definitely never went to. Clubs BUT i was
Speaker 1: working in nightclubs and doing. Security AND i remember the first,
Speaker 1: well definitely the first few weeks just BEING i. Reckon
Speaker 1: LIKE i worked from like nine till, three like fantastic,
Speaker 1: hours like three nights a, week so and you've just
Speaker 1: your job is just to make sure people don't fuck
Speaker 1: up too much and to get rid of people who
Speaker 1: are fucking, up and to you, know.
Speaker 2: It's not a fun.
Speaker 1: Job and LIKE i was quite big and strong at
Speaker 1: that stage and young and dumb and full of you
Speaker 1: know what and all of that. Shit but for the
Speaker 1: first MONTH i reckon every night WHEN i was in,
Speaker 1: There my heart rate just just being there was probably
Speaker 1: a hundred just being in the.
Speaker 3: Room, yeah just a.
Speaker 1: Hundred, right and then anything, happens then you're up to
Speaker 1: one sixty one eighty and. Escalate BUT i remember at the,
Speaker 1: start like a week in thinking BECAUSE i lived with a,
Speaker 1: guy we shared a, house and he did. It he
Speaker 1: was a big he was a fucking, unit, Right so
Speaker 1: he wasn't really he wasn't really afraid of too. Much
Speaker 1: And i'm, Like i'm afraid this is this is this
Speaker 1: is fucking. Terrifying but, anyway and then fast forward six.
Speaker 1: Months you, know it wasn't my natural habitat by any,
Speaker 1: means but all.
Speaker 2: Of that stuff had.
Speaker 1: Gone you, KNOW i could be in the middle of
Speaker 1: altercations AND i was relatively calm and in control and
Speaker 1: drunk aggressive or high aggressive people or fuck wits or
Speaker 1: the stuff.
Speaker 2: That used to you.
Speaker 1: Know and, AGAIN i wouldn't recommend it to, anyone but
Speaker 1: for me who grew up like in the, country going
Speaker 1: to a private school WITH i, mean my childhood was
Speaker 1: so innocent and. Boring and Then i'm in the city
Speaker 1: And i'm in nightclubs and there's gangs and there's, this
Speaker 1: and there's. That i'm, like oh, fuck this is a different.
Speaker 2: World BUT i think you acclimate or you, know there
Speaker 2: are some things you probably don't want to acclimate or adapt.
Speaker 3: To but, YEAH i, remember that's exactly what.
Speaker 4: Happens THAT'S i think where the Natural this is where
Speaker 4: the nature versus nurture. Thing you're talking about nurturing like
Speaker 4: in you surround yourself with the environment and a if
Speaker 4: you can. Adapt but that's because it's also in your
Speaker 4: nature to be somewhat comfortable in slightly heightened, circumstances like
Speaker 4: even public. Speaking it's a slightly heightened. CIRCUMSTANCE i know
Speaker 4: everyone's into public, speaking.
Speaker 3: As we know whereas.
Speaker 4: What and this is the fascinating thing about it is
Speaker 4: THAT i would say it's a very important life lesson
Speaker 4: is that you don't have to want to or enjoy
Speaker 4: acclimating to all the things that everybody else, does because
Speaker 4: there would have been a bunch of people in your
Speaker 4: position that never acclimated and they would have dropped out
Speaker 4: after two, months and they wouldn't have because their body
Speaker 4: just wouldn't have enjoyed. It and their body, says, hey
Speaker 4: when you give a particular, nurture the nature will. Act
Speaker 4: and your nature was that of a. THING i can handle.
Speaker 4: THIS i can get to a point WHERE i can handle,
Speaker 4: it whether it be your own sort of search for
Speaker 4: growth or just your capacity. Anyway but some individuals physiologically
Speaker 4: don't adapt as. Fast their body, says this feels. Awful
Speaker 4: you hate, This go and do something else with your.
Speaker 4: Life and this is gets back to that conversation purpose
Speaker 4: that we. Had some bodies are not designed to be
Speaker 4: in a heightened, state particularly when there's a physicality that's
Speaker 4: associated with it as, well and it's really violating for
Speaker 4: them to be in that state for a long, time
Speaker 4: and their body will send them lots of signals to,
Speaker 4: say this.
Speaker 3: Is not your, purpose this is not your.
Speaker 4: Purpose and even if they were to go that extra six,
Speaker 4: months they might get, there but it still wouldn't be
Speaker 4: as natural as it is rather some other. People and
Speaker 4: this IS i think that's so important that you don't
Speaker 4: have to be afraid of, everything but you do not
Speaker 4: have to brush your fear in every little thing to
Speaker 4: feel like you, can you, know completely unlock your potential as.
Speaker 3: WELL i think that's very.
Speaker 4: Important but having a framework OF i can navigate myself
Speaker 4: through fear is absolutely essential for.
Speaker 3: Growth All, Right.
Speaker 1: I've got a fun question to finish. On So i've
Speaker 1: been listening to What i'm out and. ABOUT i tried
Speaker 1: not to listen to, academic bloody stuff or you. Know
Speaker 1: i'll listen to a podcast some like something my numbing or,
Speaker 1: funny or audio books And i've never.
Speaker 2: Listened to fiction in my.
Speaker 1: Life until about six months, ago Because i'm, LIKE i
Speaker 1: don't do fiction ONLY i only acquire. Knowledge i'm too
Speaker 1: smart to listen to. Fiction like, Now i'm a FUCKING
Speaker 1: i love. It So i've listened all these. Books i'm
Speaker 1: listening to this book at the moment Called The Terminal.
Speaker 1: List there was a, movie which the movie wasn't, great
Speaker 1: but the book's really well, Known The Terminal, list.
Speaker 2: And the main character in the, book his Name's James.
Speaker 1: Reese, anyway the book also is written by A navy,
Speaker 1: seal so the details. Fantastic but, anyway it's like in
Speaker 1: all of these operations and, stuff they talk about the
Speaker 1: preparation and execution and performing under pressure and like the
Speaker 1: the stuff that probably humans just shouldn't have to do
Speaker 1: or have to, see you, know war. Stuff but that's
Speaker 1: the world we live, in where this, is for better or,
Speaker 1: worse like it or, not it is part of the
Speaker 1: reality of.
Speaker 2: Life and so for.
Speaker 1: These elite you, know special ops kind of, operators they
Speaker 1: need to be the calm in the. Chaos they need
Speaker 1: to be able to do shit That i'd fall apart
Speaker 1: even thinking about. Doing they need to be able to do,
Speaker 1: it you, know inside. Out back to, front eyes closed
Speaker 1: and keep their heart rate at. Sixty so my question is, sensor, activator, crusader, guardian,
Speaker 1: diplomat connector in the pH D by the, WAY pH three,
Speaker 1: SIXTY i should say health. TYPE i just described go
Speaker 1: check them out if you haven't done so. Yet which
Speaker 1: one of those is going to make the best special?
Speaker 1: Operator who's going to make the Best Seal team six?
Speaker 4: Leader it's going to be a, crusaders diplomats or guardians
Speaker 4: are generally going to be the best, leaders and in
Speaker 4: that particular, environment there's no limitation to an activator or
Speaker 4: a connector doing it as. Well but their natural state
Speaker 4: is to be more impulsive and to want more, freedom
Speaker 4: and that can sometimes make them not want to be
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 3: Guy they want to.
Speaker 4: Be able to be the guy that follows just just
Speaker 4: runs and does. Things so there's a natural inclination for
Speaker 4: them to be to take more risk and sometimes that
Speaker 4: you need a more considered head for the leader as
Speaker 4: far as they're selecting. Them but there's a particular type
Speaker 4: of crusader it would need to be a number eighty
Speaker 4: five on the circle and then and the reason for
Speaker 4: that is because that type of crusader is physically much.
Speaker 4: Bigger So i'm a seventy five And i'm eighty kilos
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy nine. CENTIMETERS a typical eighty five
Speaker 4: would be you, know ninety to one hundred kilos and
Speaker 4: six for. Three they've just got a much bigger upper,
Speaker 4: body much more resilient body for the demands that are.
Speaker 3: Required the other type is the diplomat as.
Speaker 4: Well the diplomat they've got that, strength they've got much stronger,
Speaker 4: legs they've naturally got a stronger.
Speaker 3: Body they would.
Speaker 4: Need a particular diplomat that they would need with a
Speaker 4: really good athletic. Background they need particular. Collagen diplomats generally
Speaker 4: have more flexible, collagen so you'd need a diplomat with
Speaker 4: tighter collagen without that coal, variant so that they don't
Speaker 4: get the soft tissue injuries because they're much like we
Speaker 4: see in sports. Athletes if you've got the particular collagen,
Speaker 4: genes you'll just you'll get softissue injuries from all of
Speaker 4: the volume that they. Do so it need to be
Speaker 4: a particular, diplomat and the reason why it'd select them
Speaker 4: is that they've got a fantastic order orderliness and structure
Speaker 4: and they're, considered and if you have a, combinat you'd
Speaker 4: need an activatory element to their mind because everyone's not
Speaker 4: just one. Type you would need a diplomat with athletic
Speaker 4: body like tight, collagen strong, collagen and an activator, mindset
Speaker 4: and that would essentially give them the ability to make
Speaker 4: decisions in the, moment because a diplomat normally would need more,
Speaker 4: time so you need that little. Variation and then for a,
Speaker 4: guardian you'd be looking at a guardian with a more crusadery.
Speaker 4: Secondary because the guardians are. Incredible they're very very, strong highly,
Speaker 4: protective and that's very very, good but you would need
Speaker 4: the strategic mission over people. Mentality AND i know that
Speaker 4: at the end of the day they drag everyone they can,
Speaker 4: out but ultimately the mission is more important than the
Speaker 4: man and that's something that the guardians naturally would struggle
Speaker 4: with because they would form a family bond with the
Speaker 4: people around them as.
Speaker 3: Well so they would be incredible for extrication.
Speaker 4: And making sure everyone gets, home but when it comes
Speaker 4: to mission or, people you would need a crusader element
Speaker 4: which outcomes over.
Speaker 3: People so that would be my. Diagnosis you would not have.
Speaker 4: A sensor in sas they actually stopped sensors.
Speaker 3: Going to war In World War.
Speaker 4: TWO i don't remember those photos where they were taking
Speaker 4: measurements of the thorax guys blowing their chest up as.
Speaker 3: Much as they.
Speaker 4: Could they knew, that they knew that a person with
Speaker 4: a smaller thorax sort of the mid, chest they knew
Speaker 4: that they had a much higher likelihood OF ptsd coming,
Speaker 4: home like eighty percent rate versus someone with a thicker,
Speaker 4: thorax much. Less and that's because the thinner thorax the
Speaker 4: sensor much more sensitive than, noise much more sensitive to
Speaker 4: like much less. Strong actually they've got smaller muscle, belly
Speaker 4: so carrying thirty kilos plus their, gun they would break
Speaker 4: a lot faster as. Well like they're just not built for,
Speaker 4: combat the. Sensors so, yeah fascinate, Anyway so that's where i'd.
Speaker 4: Go and even based off the special forces THAT i,
Speaker 4: know they seem to be like The in, fact the
Speaker 4: ones THAT i do know are crusaders within that range
Speaker 4: or diplomats within that, range or guard within that. Range
Speaker 4: but then there's a few activators and connectors THAT i
Speaker 4: know of as well that just get stuck.
Speaker 3: In so that's My, wow it is.
Speaker 2: There it.
Speaker 1: Is so you're thinking about becoming AN elead, operator covert,
Speaker 1: operative a government.
Speaker 2: Assassin you just got you your. Guidebook, hey how can
Speaker 2: people connect with? You find, you follow you all that? Stuff?
Speaker 2: Cam thank.
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Speaker 4: well being or. Schools while it's doing a lot of this.
Speaker 4: Stuff all of the stuff we said about stress is
Speaker 4: actually relevant for students in, class which no one is,
Speaker 4: considering and even through the gym's all of that sort of.
Speaker 4: Stuff so if we've got information and applications for, everybody be.
Speaker 2: The app Butter, cup all, right, mate we appreciate.
Speaker 1: You we'll say goodbye off, are but look after that
Speaker 1: scrotum of yours and that that testical region and we'll chat.
Speaker 3: Again appreciate.
Speaker 2: It