Speaker 1: Live on Sky News US. Is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening.
Speaker 3: Welcome to this special broadcast live from the Sky News
Speaker 3: and Daily Telegraph People's Forum here in Western Sydney, and
Speaker 3: we've all just seen Anthony Albanesi and Peter Dutton go
Speaker 3: head to head in a live debate for the first time.
Speaker 3: The fuel excise, the Trump shock and the medi Scare
Speaker 3: campaign were all key moments. Make no mistake, this was
Speaker 3: a high stakes debate and both leaders were polished and
Speaker 3: on message. Dutton has been on the back foot in
Speaker 3: the first week of the campaign and tonight was particularly
Speaker 3: critical for him. He needed a reset and we saw
Speaker 3: that his lines were sharper, including his attacks on Albanesi's
Speaker 3: broken promise of two hundred and seventy five dollars energy
Speaker 3: bills and on what he calls a dishonest medi Scare campaign.
Speaker 3: Also tonight moments of direct combat like this.
Speaker 4: Are you the biggest spending government since Whitlam so forty years?
Speaker 4: In forty years, there has not been a higher spending
Speaker 4: government than your government.
Speaker 5: Is that correct?
Speaker 6: Well, that's not true except for the one that you
Speaker 6: were a part of. And Jerio's course, it's true, and
Speaker 6: it's also true it's also true that there was a
Speaker 6: seventy eight billion dollar deficit.
Speaker 3: Now, Dutton hit back again by saying Albanesi's was the
Speaker 3: highest spending government in some forty years. But then the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister attacked him for high spending during the pandemic,
Speaker 3: but Dutton said that the labor at the time had
Speaker 3: supported each of those measures.
Speaker 2: Albanezi also had his.
Speaker 3: Chance to ask a direct question to Peter Dutton, putting
Speaker 3: to him, well, how did he plan to pay for
Speaker 3: his nuclear energy policy? In response, Dutton aimed his energy
Speaker 3: plan was cheaper than Albaniasis.
Speaker 4: That we could turn back into the domestic market. We
Speaker 4: can reduce as the independent analysis has shown the cost
Speaker 4: of gas by about fifteen percent, and that means we
Speaker 4: can bring down the cost of electricity, we can bring
Speaker 4: down the costs across the economy otherwise, and that is
Speaker 4: I think transformational for our economy. But of course opposed
Speaker 4: by the Prime minsters.
Speaker 1: Well, let's hear for him.
Speaker 6: Well, the a gas policy that the Coalition have is
Speaker 6: the gas lighting of the Australian public.
Speaker 4: If the renewables are so much cheaper, as the Prime
Speaker 4: Minister keeps telling you, why has he broken his promise
Speaker 4: of a two hundred and seventy five dollars a year
Speaker 4: cut to your electricity bill, when in actual fact it's
Speaker 4: gone up by thirteen hundred dollars under this government.
Speaker 3: Now, throughout tonight we saw Peter Dutton use words like
Speaker 3: dishonest and untruthful to describe the Prime Minister's answers. During
Speaker 3: the debate, Albanezi again got out his Medicare card and
Speaker 3: promised to get bulk billing.
Speaker 2: It's back to ninety percent.
Speaker 3: Well, Dutton responded, and this was a critical moment tonight.
Speaker 3: He asked if the female undecided voter was able to
Speaker 3: go to the doctor and only use her Medicare card
Speaker 3: or if she needed to take out her credit card
Speaker 3: as well. Here's that moment and Albanize's response that Dutton
Speaker 3: tried to introduce a fee to pay for bulk billing.
Speaker 4: Can I just ask, please, it's a great question, but
Speaker 4: can I just ask what's your experience? So when you
Speaker 4: go to the doctor that you talk about with the
Speaker 4: gap fee, do you have to use your just your
Speaker 4: Medicare card or do you have to use your credit
Speaker 4: card as well?
Speaker 2: You use both?
Speaker 7: Because the first building doesn't cover the full chance, I
Speaker 7: have to pay something, do it.
Speaker 6: Let's but pleada. You tried when you were the Health minister.
Speaker 6: You tried to abolish bulk billing by having a fee
Speaker 6: every time people visit a doctor.
Speaker 2: And health came up several times tonight.
Speaker 3: In fact, within just ten minutes of the debate, Dutton
Speaker 3: had called our easy out and claims that he'd cut
Speaker 3: funding to health also on his medi Scare campaign, and
Speaker 3: he said that these inaccurate claims were, in his words,
Speaker 3: a desperate measure from a Prime Minister who wanted to
Speaker 3: be re elected.
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister goes out with this medi Scare campaign
Speaker 4: and the Education Scare campaign, it is not a truthful statement.
Speaker 3: Of course, cost of living is the biggest issue this campaign,
Speaker 3: and Kieran Gilbert asked Albanzi why he wouldn't commit to.
Speaker 2: Dutton's petrol tax cut as well.
Speaker 3: And the sweetness on off of this campaign are between
Speaker 3: Albanese's tax cuts and Dutton's petrol tax relief. One driver
Speaker 3: and again this was one of the biggest moments tonight.
Speaker 3: One driver express support for the fuel excise, saying it
Speaker 3: works through the supply chain and he challenged the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister to match it. He also called for Dutton to
Speaker 3: extend it for longer than a year.
Speaker 8: I'm an owner driver from King's Langley up near black Tail.
Speaker 8: It's about the fuel excise. I'm hoping that you can
Speaker 8: match that from Peter, because I know you've offered tax
Speaker 8: cuts and that's great, but I believe they're not for
Speaker 8: fifteen months. And to be honest, mister Prime Minister, people
Speaker 8: are hurting now, not in fifteen months time. So you know,
Speaker 8: the fuel is dialed into everything, not only personally people's cars,
Speaker 8: but for me and other truck drivers. It makes the
Speaker 8: supply chain cheaper and cheaper and cheaper if fuels less.
Speaker 8: And I'll say to Peter too, if you've only promised
Speaker 8: it for twelve months, extend it, extend it for three years,
Speaker 8: send it for the whole term.
Speaker 3: Now, Donald Trump is the dominant figure looming over this
Speaker 3: election campaign, and here came up early in the debate,
Speaker 3: the very first question.
Speaker 6: When you impost tariffs, it's a tax on the country
Speaker 6: that is imposing it, so Americans will pay more for
Speaker 6: the goods that they purchase from overseas, and that will
Speaker 6: have an impact here.
Speaker 4: I know that we can deal with whatever comes our way.
Speaker 4: I think one of the great things about living in
Speaker 4: the greatest country in the world is that whatever is
Speaker 4: thrown at us, the Prime Minister of the day should
Speaker 4: have the ability and the strength of character to be
Speaker 4: able to stand up.
Speaker 3: Now tonight, these were all audience questions that the leaders
Speaker 3: couldn't prepare for. They didn't know what the audience of
Speaker 3: one hundred undecided voters were going to ask. And not
Speaker 3: long before the debate began, pe De Dutton received the
Speaker 3: news that his father had had a medical emergency, a
Speaker 3: suspected heart attack. That was a shock just minutes before
Speaker 3: the debate began, and which no doubt would have rattled
Speaker 3: the opposition leader. Now we're going to find out the
Speaker 3: audience verdict shortly as to who won the debate of
Speaker 3: us have got analysis from Ray Hadley and Bronman Bishop
Speaker 3: in a moment.
Speaker 2: But now let's bring in Sky.
Speaker 3: News political editor Andrew Clanell and Ben English, the editor
Speaker 3: of the Daily Telegraph.
Speaker 2: Welcome gents.
Speaker 3: Andrew, first to you, this was never has a debate
Speaker 3: really been so important given Dutton's falling fortunes.
Speaker 2: How do you see how tonight went well?
Speaker 9: I thought Peter Duttin was a clear winner, and I
Speaker 9: think that was pretty meritorious given the situation with his father.
Speaker 9: I've got to say though, that coming into the debate
Speaker 9: I did predict this. He had a lot a lot
Speaker 9: to work with, a lot to work with on the
Speaker 9: cost of living front. And there were a couple of
Speaker 9: good hits from Peter Dutton on the Prime minister. There
Speaker 9: was one or two decent hits on the other side.
Speaker 9: So for example, he was ready for the Medicare card stuff,
Speaker 9: wasn't he. That was clear they'd planned it all right,
Speaker 9: Well do you use your Medicare card and your credit card?
Speaker 9: So what's all this about. That was a good hit.
Speaker 9: But then Albinezy says, well, hang on, when you were
Speaker 9: a health minister, you tried to put a seven dollar fee,
Speaker 9: which I'd briefly forgotten about. Of course, I know that
Speaker 9: during that twenty fourteen budget. It was that twenty fourteen budget.
Speaker 9: They didn't really explain that was coming back to sort
Speaker 9: of haunt the opposition leader a bit, just like Scott
Speaker 9: Morrison last time tried to horn Anthony Albanesi with some
Speaker 9: of the misdeeds of the Labor government. But generally I
Speaker 9: think Peter Dutton I think it's probably the best performance
Speaker 9: I've ever seen from Peter Dutton, to be quite frank.
Speaker 2: With you, Sharry, the best performance this camp.
Speaker 9: I think it is the best performance I've seen from
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton, and he needed for his campaign and from
Speaker 9: what occurred in terms of his father that, as I say,
Speaker 9: that was all the more meritorious. The only concern for
Speaker 9: the coalition, Sharry, is those undecided voters. Questions all went
Speaker 9: to areas of strength, but a lot of them went
Speaker 9: to areas of strength for the government, right, so a
Speaker 9: lot of them are on health, which the government is prosecuting.
Speaker 9: And there was a question on Donald Trump and that
Speaker 9: shows why Peter Dutton has the job.
Speaker 1: Ahead of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Benny English bringing you in now, what were the key
Speaker 3: takeouts for you? And I want to specifically as well
Speaker 3: ask you about that question from the driver, the undecided
Speaker 3: voter who's a driver who said petrol tax cut just
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I thought that was a great moment for Dunton. Actually
Speaker 10: was the first pro coalition question that came about. The
Speaker 10: first three were very much in Albanese's camp and were
Speaker 10: starting to wonder about the composition of the undersided voters, but.
Speaker 2: Of your own foreium bed, of my.
Speaker 10: Own foreign there might be a few inquiries. But with
Speaker 10: this with the fellow who was the driver owner, that
Speaker 10: was right in his wheelhouse, and Dunton leaned into it,
Speaker 10: and it was probably an uncomfortable moment for Alberan easy
Speaker 10: because what it highlighted was that Dunton's offering immediate relief,
Speaker 10: and it's relief that courses through the economy. And I
Speaker 10: thought Dunton was very good to explaining that. I don't
Speaker 10: think he has properly up until now, but he actually
Speaker 10: crystallized it.
Speaker 1: Not only is it actually for.
Speaker 10: You at your at the petrol pump, but it's also
Speaker 10: for the farmers, it's for the businesses and it actually
Speaker 10: then actually is an anti inflationary device.
Speaker 1: So very it was just a lot clearer, you.
Speaker 9: Know, on stuff like the budget situation, than he has
Speaker 9: been in any press conference. You can see it in
Speaker 9: the campaign when you're on the bus with him, Cherry,
Speaker 9: he's untrained at twenty journalists throwing him a question, but
Speaker 9: he prepared assiduously for this and you could see it
Speaker 9: in his performance.
Speaker 3: And I think we've seen that in the first week
Speaker 3: or so of the campaign that the Prime minister. That
Speaker 3: is just this is not his first campaign, he's done
Speaker 3: this before match it's more.
Speaker 2: Experienced, he's more polished. I hate to say it, but.
Speaker 3: He probably has a better labor outfit behind him as well.
Speaker 2: The messages are clearer.
Speaker 3: We've been lacking some of those sharp messages from Peter Dutton,
Speaker 3: you know, messages that really cut through to voters, like
Speaker 3: Tony Abbott is used in the past.
Speaker 8: I think that's right.
Speaker 9: And I think the budget one's a big one because
Speaker 9: he for the first time really explained why he couldn't
Speaker 9: do the tax cuts. Up until now it's sort of
Speaker 9: why aren't you doing these? Or you said you're about
Speaker 9: lower taxes, so why aren't you, you know, providing a
Speaker 9: lower tax policy. But he was really able to frame
Speaker 9: that debt and deficit situation that austrays in.
Speaker 3: And there was a moment tonight ben where Kierra Gilbert
Speaker 3: asked the audience to put up their hands and he said,
Speaker 3: you know, tell me who here is struggling with the
Speaker 3: cost of living. I mean it was a majority of
Speaker 3: the room put their hand up. Wherein the heart of
Speaker 3: Western Sydney, here this is a marginal seat, typical of
Speaker 3: mainstream Australian voters really, So Ben Dutton addressed that he
Speaker 3: sought to use the fact, you know, look at the
Speaker 3: history of the past three years and he said to people,
Speaker 3: this is reflective of broader Australia and people are doing
Speaker 3: it tough, and this is where he's trying to focus
Speaker 3: the campaign. We all thought it would be a lot
Speaker 3: easier for him because cost of living has been such
Speaker 3: a major issue.
Speaker 10: I think this is one of the key successes of
Speaker 10: tonight for Peter Dutton is that he actually humanized the
Speaker 10: cost of living issue. So as you said, he leveraged
Speaker 10: off the grim picture of all those hands going up
Speaker 10: and actually was successfully to that into a narrative about
Speaker 10: the human misery that has been wrought, in his words.
Speaker 1: By this Albanese government.
Speaker 10: So in that sense, I think he started to build
Speaker 10: his narrative. I felt like his press conference today he
Speaker 10: started to refine it as well.
Speaker 1: It's like he's starting to get match fit.
Speaker 10: And if you could reduce the mission for Peter Dutton tonight,
Speaker 10: it was to reset and to reframe it because up
Speaker 10: until now it's all been framed by labor. Tonight, I
Speaker 10: feel like there's been a reframing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ben, I want to ask as well, if
Speaker 3: you agree with Clonnelle that Dutton won the debate.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think he did. I think you expect the
Speaker 10: opposition leader to win debates.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's not.
Speaker 10: Forget I think Alberanze you probably won the three last
Speaker 10: time and Morrison the three before that. But yeah, he
Speaker 10: won it. He was he was clear, he was focused,
Speaker 10: and he was across the detail.
Speaker 3: Mind you.
Speaker 10: Albanize was across the detail too, and he had a
Speaker 10: couple of zingers there, but Dutton showed that he was serious.
Speaker 3: One thing we haven't spoken about yet, Andrew, is the
Speaker 3: little tiff around education as well, another area that is
Speaker 3: naturally a strength for labor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 9: And the thing that the government at the time, the
Speaker 9: Abbit government, I don't think to fine enough, was that
Speaker 9: Julia Gillard really mined the villagers for them, right. So
Speaker 9: he was trying to point out the original plan had
Speaker 9: education spending and help spinning sliding way up, so we
Speaker 9: had to pair it back, whereas the state government scene
Speaker 9: came out and said you're cutting everything. So he was
Speaker 9: able to explain that pretty well and try and get
Speaker 9: on top of that issue and Another thing I think
Speaker 9: was really significant is there were arguments on both sides
Speaker 9: of the migration argument. This seat heavily marticultural, a lot
Speaker 9: of the marginals are and I felt it interesting. I
Speaker 9: found this dor knocking with Andrew Cholten. So there were
Speaker 9: people on either side of the debate. There are people
Speaker 9: say you've let too many people in too quickly, and
Speaker 9: there are people saying to Peter Dutton, you're going to
Speaker 9: be mean to migrants. And that's the difficulty for him
Speaker 9: during this campaign.
Speaker 3: Really tough balancing act, and we did see questions that
Speaker 3: went to both of those things. Tonight Ben Dunnan spoke
Speaker 3: about immigration, linking it to housing affordability and the housing supply,
Speaker 3: which of course is as well a critical issue.
Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely critical that he did that, and that was
Speaker 10: speaking to all of Australia, not just Western Sydney, particularly
Speaker 10: those fringe electorates as.
Speaker 1: Well as we're talking about earlier.
Speaker 10: But it is interesting, isn't it how the electorate has changed.
Speaker 10: I think we were here in twenty thirteen and it
Speaker 10: would have been a very different different set of questions
Speaker 10: about migration then to what we're seeing today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Andrew Clonel, Ben English. Great to have
Speaker 2: your insights, really appreciate your time.
Speaker 3: Now after the break, we're going to be joined by
Speaker 3: Ray Hadley, Wrong and Bishop, and we're just moments away
Speaker 3: from the official verdict from the audience tonight as to
Speaker 3: who won this debate, So don't go away, we'll see
Speaker 3: you in a moment. Welcome back to this special version
Speaker 3: of Shari live from the Sky News and Daily Telegraph.
Speaker 2: Peoples for him here in Western Sydney.
Speaker 3: Now the votes of one hundred undecided voters are being
Speaker 3: counted as we speak. The result will be revealed by
Speaker 3: Kieran Gilbert very soon. But let's bring in now for
Speaker 3: their reaction from a Speaker of the House, Broman, Bishop
Speaker 3: and radio legend Ray Hadley. Great to see you both now, Bronwan,
Speaker 3: starting with you, what's your verdict?
Speaker 2: How did that go? Who won?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 7: To me, it was clear that Peter Dutton did win.
Speaker 7: He was clear who was precise and started to hammer
Speaker 7: the point about the immediacy of the tax on fuel
Speaker 7: being immediate and stretching out every aspect of the economy
Speaker 7: so that a mum who's at home looking after the
Speaker 7: kids with no job she gets a benefit.
Speaker 2: Someone who's a pensioner.
Speaker 7: They get a benefit someone who's bringing the apple to
Speaker 7: market from the orchard. It's going to cost less to
Speaker 7: bring in, less to refrigerate less at the cost of
Speaker 7: the supermarket.
Speaker 2: That point into ray.
Speaker 3: Do you think this is the Peter Darton that people
Speaker 3: have been waiting to see?
Speaker 2: Sharper on message.
Speaker 1: He's a pet I know.
Speaker 11: I just had the end to him off camera, and
Speaker 11: I think he's pretty happy with how he went. I
Speaker 11: think he concur with Bromwin. I think he counterpunched really well.
Speaker 11: I think he you know, he's got to be careful
Speaker 11: whether he puts someone in their place and appears to
Speaker 11: be hesitate you bullying someone too aggressive. Yeah, so he's
Speaker 11: got a sort of and I think there was concerned
Speaker 11: about counterpunching and when the Prime Minister will make accusations
Speaker 11: which apparently not true, he very calmly put him back
Speaker 11: in his place.
Speaker 1: And I think that it's great to be with you
Speaker 1: as well. I love this.
Speaker 2: Lady for a moment reunion here.
Speaker 5: I must to spend a lot of time together to
Speaker 5: a paramounta Leaves club A long long time ago, when
Speaker 5: I was a senator, even the game I was calling anyway,
Speaker 5: So she's a wonderful lady. But I thought the question
Speaker 5: from the owner operator of the trucking at Winston Hills,
Speaker 5: I think he came from, which is just a stone
Speaker 5: throight from here. I thought that was a really important
Speaker 5: question to ask.
Speaker 11: I mean, fifteen months for a five dollars tax cut
Speaker 11: or an immediate reduction in excise, what do you want?
Speaker 11: Which way do you go? I'm going to be fascinated
Speaker 11: by what Kieren Gilbert will reveal in relation to what
Speaker 11: the punters here thought. I spoke to many of them
Speaker 11: on the way in, just saying good a and the
Speaker 11: rest of it. And it's hard to gauge what sort
Speaker 11: of crowd.
Speaker 2: They are, you know, whether they're undecided.
Speaker 11: Well maybe may be undecided, but you know, there were
Speaker 11: some pointed questions, and I thought they both handled the
Speaker 11: guards a question as we'd.
Speaker 3: Expect you'd expect, I mean, from Albert Easy, we only
Speaker 3: heard a brief mention of hostages, whereas Dutton focus.
Speaker 1: Well, he focused on that.
Speaker 11: He focused on what happened in October seven.
Speaker 2: And how any country would respond that sharing.
Speaker 11: I don't to bore your viewers, but it's one of it.
Speaker 11: But never ray, it's one of the more salient points.
Speaker 11: How Peter Dutton, Penny Wong Etel have been as weak
Speaker 11: as water. Yes on the any sympatism that we've seen
Speaker 11: time and time again, and.
Speaker 1: It's not in his DNA. It's not in his DNA.
Speaker 11: In another world he was carrying a Palestinian flag and
Speaker 11: shouting as a younger man, and I think that he recurs.
Speaker 3: Back to that, and he wasn't even a younger man
Speaker 3: at the time he was in Parliament when he was
Speaker 3: yelling into the megaphone.
Speaker 2: He's always been ol over trotted.
Speaker 3: So we've seen this election campaign the Prime Minister almost
Speaker 3: on a weekly, if not daily basis, stand in front
Speaker 3: of a Medicare sign.
Speaker 2: Bronwin. Today that critical.
Speaker 3: Moment where Albanizy again got out the Medicare card and
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton said to the voter, well, did you need
Speaker 3: to get out your credit card as well?
Speaker 2: What did you think of that? Well, it impressed me
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 7: I got out my Medicare card and I got out
Speaker 7: my credit card because every time I go to the doctor,
Speaker 7: this one has to be used.
Speaker 1: And when she did that, I thought, you've got a
Speaker 1: Medicare card out. Then I saw the credit card, is
Speaker 1: there a clinic here?
Speaker 11: And then he mentioned there's one down the rate of
Speaker 11: work before But look at that stage, prop I thought
Speaker 11: that was probably his clumsiest part of the night too,
Speaker 11: all of a sudden, like Merlin, the magician produce a
Speaker 11: medicare card in relation to a question about medicare.
Speaker 10: Was you're thinking, well, did he know that question was coming?
Speaker 1: But obviously he knew was going to use it.
Speaker 7: And I think the e was thing that came up
Speaker 7: and you said to me, and we discussed the fact
Speaker 7: that you'll get pimples on his tongue when.
Speaker 2: He keeps going on about what you get what in
Speaker 2: his tongue?
Speaker 7: Did the prime Ministeil get pimples on his name?
Speaker 11: Now, Shari, I have that to educate you, and under
Speaker 11: loot none of the last four weeks. It's an age
Speaker 11: old expression that someone my age, certainly not the senator's age.
Speaker 11: But my mother used to say, Raymond, if you keep
Speaker 11: telling lies, you'll get pimples on your tongue.
Speaker 1: And the other one was your nose ver longer.
Speaker 3: Yes, well I know the Pinocchio one of coss all right,
Speaker 3: so there you go, And Dutton did pick up that
Speaker 3: theme tonight of the Prime Minister v dishonest and called
Speaker 3: him out on what he claimed.
Speaker 2: We're inaccuracy several times.
Speaker 11: Right, Well, the best one was the energy, the nuclear
Speaker 11: six hundred billion, when it's been costed far less than
Speaker 11: that and far best than what all the renewals are going.
Speaker 1: To cost in the law.
Speaker 11: And I'm glad he was able to give Casanova Bowen
Speaker 11: to send around us well in relation to his wind
Speaker 11: farms off the south coast of New South Wales of
Speaker 11: Port Stevens, not even the Europe because he kept harping
Speaker 11: on the Prime Minister about oh, there's no one wants
Speaker 11: to invest in nuclear it's because no one supports it.
Speaker 11: From his side of politics, it's illegal. So of course
Speaker 11: they're not going to invest in something that he thinks
Speaker 11: is illegal nuclear energy. And to get it past the
Speaker 11: Greens would be another problem. But he was there talking
Speaker 11: about what's happening. Well, no one wants to invest in
Speaker 11: the wind farms. They've all bailed. The Europeans have said,
Speaker 11: oh hang on a sec this is inequitable. We're not
Speaker 11: going to make a quite out of this, so let's
Speaker 11: forget about it.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the impact that this debate
Speaker 3: tonight will have in the election campaign now ronwin. Do
Speaker 3: you think this will be a reset for Peter Dutton?
Speaker 3: Is it in enough of a reset if the commentator
Speaker 3: is more broadly as all four of my guests tonight
Speaker 3: have said that Darton came out ahead here if not
Speaker 3: a clear win. So do you think this will give
Speaker 3: him the momentum that he needs?
Speaker 7: Well, yes, I do think it was a reset, and
Speaker 7: I think I'd like to congratulate Peter on the courage
Speaker 7: to come out and say that a policy that had
Speaker 7: been announced earlier was just playing wrong and wasn't was
Speaker 7: not going to be implemented at all. Didn't stop the
Speaker 7: Prime Minister speaking as if it was still the policy.
Speaker 7: But that's the sort of thing he does. But I
Speaker 7: think that for his own point of view from the
Speaker 7: views that we had here, but the people who carry
Speaker 7: the story as well. Now we know that we've got
Speaker 7: a press that is a press gallery certainly from Canberra
Speaker 7: that is more pro Alberan easy. But I do think
Speaker 7: that the forcefulness of his presentation tonight can break through that,
Speaker 7: and it certainly in the middle of the campaign. We
Speaker 7: won't start preepole voting until the twenty second, so this
Speaker 7: is an important part of the campaign for him to
Speaker 7: make that.
Speaker 3: Well, we're coming up to school holidays. There's also then
Speaker 3: going to be Easter.
Speaker 9: Ray.
Speaker 2: What's your verdict.
Speaker 3: On how this campaign is heading at the moment. Do
Speaker 3: you think Dutton can still recover to when or is
Speaker 3: this really a two term proposition for the opposition leader.
Speaker 11: Well, Peter Kreedlin made a very good point in both
Speaker 11: her program on this network and in writing about it
Speaker 11: that the election can't be won or lost in the
Speaker 11: first week. It can't be and it's a five week campaign.
Speaker 11: We're into the second of five weeks. I think Dutton
Speaker 11: started the Marquis territory tonight. I think he was strong
Speaker 11: and effective. I think the Prime Minister was good, but
Speaker 11: not as good as Dutton, and so I did a
Speaker 11: bit of a headcount talking to people, and I think
Speaker 11: the Brahma makes a good point.
Speaker 1: About the press gallery.
Speaker 11: They'll be clinging to the votes of those people there
Speaker 11: like a life boy, hoping it goes the way of
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: So they can then, I guess.
Speaker 11: Write what they wish to write, as opposed to having
Speaker 11: a con review if.
Speaker 1: It gave the other way.
Speaker 2: I think it's not.
Speaker 3: Even necessarily the lens of the press gallery, because there
Speaker 3: have been some tough questions to Albanezi, including from The
Speaker 3: Nightly's Letika Burke. But it's also dote and getting his
Speaker 3: message out, which he was able to do with the
Speaker 3: whole of Australia watching the debate tonight, and of course
Speaker 3: we are here wrapping up the debate moments away from
Speaker 3: finding out the official verdict. Brom and Bishop ray Hadley.
Speaker 3: Great to have you here. We'll see you next Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Now I'll be back tomorrow at eight thirty straight off
Speaker 3: the back of the Treasurer's debate, and right now Paul
Speaker 3: Murray in the main Man Cave. The debate result will
Speaker 3: be revealed live in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere