WEBVTT - Sharri | 8 April 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:05.479 Live on Sky News US. Is Sharry. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:09.080 Good Evening. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.479 Welcome to this special broadcast live from the Sky News 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.119 and Daily Telegraph People's Forum here in Western Sydney, and 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.280 we've all just seen Anthony Albanesi and Peter Dutton go 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.640 head to head in a live debate for the first time. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.240 The fuel excise, the Trump shock and the medi Scare 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:31.760 campaign were all key moments. Make no mistake, this was 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:36.120 a high stakes debate and both leaders were polished and 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.120 on message. Dutton has been on the back foot in 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.839 the first week of the campaign and tonight was particularly 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.720 critical for him. He needed a reset and we saw 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:51.040 that his lines were sharper, including his attacks on Albanesi's 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.640 broken promise of two hundred and seventy five dollars energy 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:59.200 bills and on what he calls a dishonest medi Scare campaign. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.039 Also tonight moments of direct combat like this. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:09.600 Are you the biggest spending government since Whitlam so forty years? 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.200 In forty years, there has not been a higher spending 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:14.480 government than your government. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:15.160 Is that correct? 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:16.960 Well, that's not true except for the one that you 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:21.960 were a part of. And Jerio's course, it's true, and 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.520 it's also true it's also true that there was a 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.720 seventy eight billion dollar deficit. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.520 Now, Dutton hit back again by saying Albanesi's was the 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.240 highest spending government in some forty years. But then the 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.119 Prime Minister attacked him for high spending during the pandemic, 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.080 but Dutton said that the labor at the time had 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.960 supported each of those measures. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:50.800 Albanezi also had his. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.919 Chance to ask a direct question to Peter Dutton, putting 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.320 to him, well, how did he plan to pay for 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:01.160 his nuclear energy policy? In response, Dutton aimed his energy 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.280 plan was cheaper than Albaniasis. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.400 That we could turn back into the domestic market. We 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:10.400 can reduce as the independent analysis has shown the cost 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.480 of gas by about fifteen percent, and that means we 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.919 can bring down the cost of electricity, we can bring 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.000 down the costs across the economy otherwise, and that is 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.040 I think transformational for our economy. But of course opposed 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:22.600 by the Prime minsters. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:23.520 Well, let's hear for him. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.200 Well, the a gas policy that the Coalition have is 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.080 the gas lighting of the Australian public. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.359 If the renewables are so much cheaper, as the Prime 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.560 Minister keeps telling you, why has he broken his promise 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.639 of a two hundred and seventy five dollars a year 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.120 cut to your electricity bill, when in actual fact it's 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.800 gone up by thirteen hundred dollars under this government. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.080 Now, throughout tonight we saw Peter Dutton use words like 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:54.480 dishonest and untruthful to describe the Prime Minister's answers. During 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.120 the debate, Albanezi again got out his Medicare card and 0:02:58.200 --> 0:02:59.800 promised to get bulk billing. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.000 It's back to ninety percent. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.920 Well, Dutton responded, and this was a critical moment tonight. 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.560 He asked if the female undecided voter was able to 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.560 go to the doctor and only use her Medicare card 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.680 or if she needed to take out her credit card 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.400 as well. Here's that moment and Albanize's response that Dutton 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.160 tried to introduce a fee to pay for bulk billing. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.000 Can I just ask, please, it's a great question, but 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.680 can I just ask what's your experience? So when you 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.160 go to the doctor that you talk about with the 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.560 gap fee, do you have to use your just your 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.080 Medicare card or do you have to use your credit 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:35.680 card as well? 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:37.000 You use both? 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.800 Because the first building doesn't cover the full chance, I 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:40.920 have to pay something, do it. 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.440 Let's but pleada. You tried when you were the Health minister. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.480 You tried to abolish bulk billing by having a fee 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.960 every time people visit a doctor. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.000 And health came up several times tonight. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.160 In fact, within just ten minutes of the debate, Dutton 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.200 had called our easy out and claims that he'd cut 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.520 funding to health also on his medi Scare campaign, and 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.120 he said that these inaccurate claims were, in his words, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.480 a desperate measure from a Prime Minister who wanted to 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:13.320 be re elected. 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.360 The Prime Minister goes out with this medi Scare campaign 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.560 and the Education Scare campaign, it is not a truthful statement. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.120 Of course, cost of living is the biggest issue this campaign, 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.120 and Kieran Gilbert asked Albanzi why he wouldn't commit to. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.320 Dutton's petrol tax cut as well. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.200 And the sweetness on off of this campaign are between 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:39.599 Albanese's tax cuts and Dutton's petrol tax relief. One driver 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.680 and again this was one of the biggest moments tonight. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:46.240 One driver express support for the fuel excise, saying it 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.680 works through the supply chain and he challenged the Prime 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.840 Minister to match it. He also called for Dutton to 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.159 extend it for longer than a year. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.520 I'm an owner driver from King's Langley up near black Tail. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.360 It's about the fuel excise. I'm hoping that you can 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.120 match that from Peter, because I know you've offered tax 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.480 cuts and that's great, but I believe they're not for 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.240 fifteen months. And to be honest, mister Prime Minister, people 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.880 are hurting now, not in fifteen months time. So you know, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:24.279 the fuel is dialed into everything, not only personally people's cars, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.080 but for me and other truck drivers. It makes the 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.719 supply chain cheaper and cheaper and cheaper if fuels less. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.080 And I'll say to Peter too, if you've only promised 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.480 it for twelve months, extend it, extend it for three years, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.039 send it for the whole term. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.560 Now, Donald Trump is the dominant figure looming over this 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.520 election campaign, and here came up early in the debate, 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.400 the very first question. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.400 When you impost tariffs, it's a tax on the country 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.560 that is imposing it, so Americans will pay more for 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.640 the goods that they purchase from overseas, and that will 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:03.640 have an impact here. 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.479 I know that we can deal with whatever comes our way. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.320 I think one of the great things about living in 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.159 the greatest country in the world is that whatever is 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.559 thrown at us, the Prime Minister of the day should 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.760 have the ability and the strength of character to be 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:16.600 able to stand up. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.080 Now tonight, these were all audience questions that the leaders 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.080 couldn't prepare for. They didn't know what the audience of 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:29.039 one hundred undecided voters were going to ask. And not 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.520 long before the debate began, pe De Dutton received the 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.599 news that his father had had a medical emergency, a 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:41.119 suspected heart attack. That was a shock just minutes before 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:45.240 the debate began, and which no doubt would have rattled 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.920 the opposition leader. Now we're going to find out the 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.320 audience verdict shortly as to who won the debate of 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.160 us have got analysis from Ray Hadley and Bronman Bishop 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:53.760 in a moment. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.560 But now let's bring in Sky. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.839 News political editor Andrew Clanell and Ben English, the editor 0:06:58.839 --> 0:06:59.839 of the Daily Telegraph. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:00.960 Welcome gents. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.000 Andrew, first to you, this was never has a debate 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.400 really been so important given Dutton's falling fortunes. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.800 How do you see how tonight went well? 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.800 I thought Peter Duttin was a clear winner, and I 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.960 think that was pretty meritorious given the situation with his father. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.760 I've got to say though, that coming into the debate 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.240 I did predict this. He had a lot a lot 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.000 to work with, a lot to work with on the 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.720 cost of living front. And there were a couple of 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.920 good hits from Peter Dutton on the Prime minister. There 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.280 was one or two decent hits on the other side. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.640 So for example, he was ready for the Medicare card stuff, 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.160 wasn't he. That was clear they'd planned it all right, 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.520 Well do you use your Medicare card and your credit card? 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.800 So what's all this about. That was a good hit. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.160 But then Albinezy says, well, hang on, when you were 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.320 a health minister, you tried to put a seven dollar fee, 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.160 which I'd briefly forgotten about. Of course, I know that 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.800 during that twenty fourteen budget. It was that twenty fourteen budget. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.239 They didn't really explain that was coming back to sort 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.640 of haunt the opposition leader a bit, just like Scott 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.160 Morrison last time tried to horn Anthony Albanesi with some 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.320 of the misdeeds of the Labor government. But generally I 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.360 think Peter Dutton I think it's probably the best performance 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.640 I've ever seen from Peter Dutton, to be quite frank. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.560 With you, Sharry, the best performance this camp. 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.320 I think it is the best performance I've seen from 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.920 Peter Dutton, and he needed for his campaign and from 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.440 what occurred in terms of his father that, as I say, 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.120 that was all the more meritorious. The only concern for 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.600 the coalition, Sharry, is those undecided voters. Questions all went 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.640 to areas of strength, but a lot of them went 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.480 to areas of strength for the government, right, so a 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.439 lot of them are on health, which the government is prosecuting. 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.240 And there was a question on Donald Trump and that 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.240 shows why Peter Dutton has the job. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:48.720 Ahead of him. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:49.360 Yeah, exactly. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.120 Benny English bringing you in now, what were the key 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.160 takeouts for you? And I want to specifically as well 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.880 ask you about that question from the driver, the undecided 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.720 voter who's a driver who said petrol tax cut just 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:02.400 makes sense. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:03.000 Yeah. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.040 I thought that was a great moment for Dunton. Actually 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.839 was the first pro coalition question that came about. The 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.840 first three were very much in Albanese's camp and were 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:17.240 starting to wonder about the composition of the undersided voters, but. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:19.760 Of your own foreium bed, of my. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:25.120 Own foreign there might be a few inquiries. But with 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:29.080 this with the fellow who was the driver owner, that 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.480 was right in his wheelhouse, and Dunton leaned into it, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.640 and it was probably an uncomfortable moment for Alberan easy 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:40.760 because what it highlighted was that Dunton's offering immediate relief, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.560 and it's relief that courses through the economy. And I 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.800 thought Dunton was very good to explaining that. I don't 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.440 think he has properly up until now, but he actually 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:49.200 crystallized it. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:50.400 Not only is it actually for. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.199 You at your at the petrol pump, but it's also 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.959 for the farmers, it's for the businesses and it actually 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.600 then actually is an anti inflationary device. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.600 So very it was just a lot clearer, you. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.520 Know, on stuff like the budget situation, than he has 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.120 been in any press conference. You can see it in 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.079 the campaign when you're on the bus with him, Cherry, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.560 he's untrained at twenty journalists throwing him a question, but 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.439 he prepared assiduously for this and you could see it 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:17.240 in his performance. 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.400 And I think we've seen that in the first week 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.760 or so of the campaign that the Prime minister. That 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.960 is just this is not his first campaign, he's done 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.679 this before match it's more. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.120 Experienced, he's more polished. I hate to say it, but. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.400 He probably has a better labor outfit behind him as well. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:33.760 The messages are clearer. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.680 We've been lacking some of those sharp messages from Peter Dutton, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.600 you know, messages that really cut through to voters, like 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.360 Tony Abbott is used in the past. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:43.480 I think that's right. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.520 And I think the budget one's a big one because 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.360 he for the first time really explained why he couldn't 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.400 do the tax cuts. Up until now it's sort of 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.160 why aren't you doing these? Or you said you're about 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:58.080 lower taxes, so why aren't you, you know, providing a 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.200 lower tax policy. But he was really able to frame 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.959 that debt and deficit situation that austrays in. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.960 And there was a moment tonight ben where Kierra Gilbert 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.240 asked the audience to put up their hands and he said, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.520 you know, tell me who here is struggling with the 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.920 cost of living. I mean it was a majority of 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.560 the room put their hand up. Wherein the heart of 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.960 Western Sydney, here this is a marginal seat, typical of 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:27.240 mainstream Australian voters really, So Ben Dutton addressed that he 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.720 sought to use the fact, you know, look at the 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.080 history of the past three years and he said to people, 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.160 this is reflective of broader Australia and people are doing 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.320 it tough, and this is where he's trying to focus 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.360 the campaign. We all thought it would be a lot 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.439 easier for him because cost of living has been such 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:45.120 a major issue. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:46.720 I think this is one of the key successes of 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.040 tonight for Peter Dutton is that he actually humanized the 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.960 cost of living issue. So as you said, he leveraged 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.959 off the grim picture of all those hands going up 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.240 and actually was successfully to that into a narrative about 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:05.080 the human misery that has been wrought, in his words. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.120 By this Albanese government. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.720 So in that sense, I think he started to build 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.440 his narrative. I felt like his press conference today he 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:14.800 started to refine it as well. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.640 It's like he's starting to get match fit. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.360 And if you could reduce the mission for Peter Dutton tonight, 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.520 it was to reset and to reframe it because up 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.520 until now it's all been framed by labor. Tonight, I 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.000 feel like there's been a reframing. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.000 Yeah, and Ben, I want to ask as well, if 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.360 you agree with Clonnelle that Dutton won the debate. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.120 Yeah, I think he did. I think you expect the 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:37.800 opposition leader to win debates. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:38.600 I mean, let's not. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.480 Forget I think Alberanze you probably won the three last 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.720 time and Morrison the three before that. But yeah, he 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.120 won it. He was he was clear, he was focused, 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:49.400 and he was across the detail. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:49.880 Mind you. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.400 Albanize was across the detail too, and he had a 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.319 couple of zingers there, but Dutton showed that he was serious. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.920 One thing we haven't spoken about yet, Andrew, is the 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.680 little tiff around education as well, another area that is 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.000 naturally a strength for labor. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:06.920 Yeah, it is. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.079 And the thing that the government at the time, the 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.560 Abbit government, I don't think to fine enough, was that 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.360 Julia Gillard really mined the villagers for them, right. So 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.439 he was trying to point out the original plan had 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.800 education spending and help spinning sliding way up, so we 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.000 had to pair it back, whereas the state government scene 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.840 came out and said you're cutting everything. So he was 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.960 able to explain that pretty well and try and get 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.120 on top of that issue and Another thing I think 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.319 was really significant is there were arguments on both sides 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:41.120 of the migration argument. This seat heavily marticultural, a lot 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.920 of the marginals are and I felt it interesting. I 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.000 found this dor knocking with Andrew Cholten. So there were 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:48.640 people on either side of the debate. There are people 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.960 say you've let too many people in too quickly, and 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.800 there are people saying to Peter Dutton, you're going to 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.240 be mean to migrants. And that's the difficulty for him 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:58.480 during this campaign. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.240 Really tough balancing act, and we did see questions that 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.400 went to both of those things. Tonight Ben Dunnan spoke 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.840 about immigration, linking it to housing affordability and the housing supply, 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.320 which of course is as well a critical issue. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.400 Yeah, absolutely critical that he did that, and that was 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:20.040 speaking to all of Australia, not just Western Sydney, particularly 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.440 those fringe electorates as. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.640 Well as we're talking about earlier. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.800 But it is interesting, isn't it how the electorate has changed. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.120 I think we were here in twenty thirteen and it 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.200 would have been a very different different set of questions 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.200 about migration then to what we're seeing today. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.720 Yeah, all right, Andrew Clonel, Ben English. Great to have 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.280 your insights, really appreciate your time. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.080 Now after the break, we're going to be joined by 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.600 Ray Hadley, Wrong and Bishop, and we're just moments away 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.720 from the official verdict from the audience tonight as to 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.400 who won this debate, So don't go away, we'll see 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:59.000 you in a moment. Welcome back to this special version 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.640 of Shari live from the Sky News and Daily Telegraph. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.880 Peoples for him here in Western Sydney. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.640 Now the votes of one hundred undecided voters are being 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.000 counted as we speak. The result will be revealed by 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.560 Kieran Gilbert very soon. But let's bring in now for 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.440 their reaction from a Speaker of the House, Broman, Bishop 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.000 and radio legend Ray Hadley. Great to see you both now, Bronwan, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:22.800 starting with you, what's your verdict? 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.000 How did that go? Who won? 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:25.000 Well? 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.440 To me, it was clear that Peter Dutton did win. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.320 He was clear who was precise and started to hammer 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:37.800 the point about the immediacy of the tax on fuel 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.800 being immediate and stretching out every aspect of the economy 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.760 so that a mum who's at home looking after the 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.680 kids with no job she gets a benefit. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:49.360 Someone who's a pensioner. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.360 They get a benefit someone who's bringing the apple to 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.040 market from the orchard. It's going to cost less to 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.960 bring in, less to refrigerate less at the cost of 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.240 the supermarket. 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.720 That point into ray. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.960 Do you think this is the Peter Darton that people 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.160 have been waiting to see? 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.040 Sharper on message. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:08.920 He's a pet I know. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.880 I just had the end to him off camera, and 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:14.920 I think he's pretty happy with how he went. I 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.400 think he concur with Bromwin. I think he counterpunched really well. 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.400 I think he you know, he's got to be careful 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.520 whether he puts someone in their place and appears to 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:31.000 be hesitate you bullying someone too aggressive. Yeah, so he's 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.920 got a sort of and I think there was concerned 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.920 about counterpunching and when the Prime Minister will make accusations 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.160 which apparently not true, he very calmly put him back 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:39.760 in his place. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.360 And I think that it's great to be with you 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.280 as well. I love this. 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.800 Lady for a moment reunion here. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:48.840 I must to spend a lot of time together to 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.760 a paramounta Leaves club A long long time ago, when 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.920 I was a senator, even the game I was calling anyway, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.920 So she's a wonderful lady. But I thought the question 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.080 from the owner operator of the trucking at Winston Hills, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.520 I think he came from, which is just a stone 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.080 throight from here. I thought that was a really important 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:09.840 question to ask. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.320 I mean, fifteen months for a five dollars tax cut 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.240 or an immediate reduction in excise, what do you want? 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.879 Which way do you go? I'm going to be fascinated 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.359 by what Kieren Gilbert will reveal in relation to what 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.600 the punters here thought. I spoke to many of them 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.199 on the way in, just saying good a and the 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.640 rest of it. And it's hard to gauge what sort 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:32.320 of crowd. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.840 They are, you know, whether they're undecided. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.840 Well maybe may be undecided, but you know, there were 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.119 some pointed questions, and I thought they both handled the 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.600 guards a question as we'd. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.600 Expect you'd expect, I mean, from Albert Easy, we only 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.720 heard a brief mention of hostages, whereas Dutton focus. 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:51.439 Well, he focused on that. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.399 He focused on what happened in October seven. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.600 And how any country would respond that sharing. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.159 I don't to bore your viewers, but it's one of it. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.520 But never ray, it's one of the more salient points. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.200 How Peter Dutton, Penny Wong Etel have been as weak 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:10.520 as water. Yes on the any sympatism that we've seen 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:11.879 time and time again, and. 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.240 It's not in his DNA. It's not in his DNA. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.119 In another world he was carrying a Palestinian flag and 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.159 shouting as a younger man, and I think that he recurs. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.840 Back to that, and he wasn't even a younger man 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.960 at the time he was in Parliament when he was 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:28.320 yelling into the megaphone. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.000 He's always been ol over trotted. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.720 So we've seen this election campaign the Prime Minister almost 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.040 on a weekly, if not daily basis, stand in front 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:39.720 of a Medicare sign. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.639 Bronwin. Today that critical. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.600 Moment where Albanizy again got out the Medicare card and 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.760 Peter Dutton said to the voter, well, did you need 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.120 to get out your credit card as well? 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.520 What did you think of that? Well, it impressed me 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:52.040 so much. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.919 I got out my Medicare card and I got out 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.080 my credit card because every time I go to the doctor, 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:57.719 this one has to be used. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.199 And when she did that, I thought, you've got a 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.840 Medicare card out. Then I saw the credit card, is 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:06.600 there a clinic here? 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.080 And then he mentioned there's one down the rate of 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:12.160 work before But look at that stage, prop I thought 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.160 that was probably his clumsiest part of the night too, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.159 all of a sudden, like Merlin, the magician produce a 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.960 medicare card in relation to a question about medicare. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.240 Was you're thinking, well, did he know that question was coming? 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.080 But obviously he knew was going to use it. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:26.840 And I think the e was thing that came up 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.240 and you said to me, and we discussed the fact 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.320