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Speaker 2: Because I've just thought i'd try it.

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Speaker 1: For today, Like what the name it feels? What could

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Speaker 3: You can tell you what though, I feel very bloody smart,

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Speaker 1: You and me, both, you and me both, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. It's been been hard on Melissa doing it, though.

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Speaker 1: I must check in and see how she's going with

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Speaker 1: my research now I've just been cheering her on from

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Speaker 3: Hey, i thought i'd try on this Craig Harper name,

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Speaker 3: so I've changed mine to Craig Harper as well.

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Speaker 1: Or a fucking idiot. He actually has just put my

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Speaker 1: that's funny though. What people don't realize when you do

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Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of good because you get support

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Speaker 1: Isn't that what the kids are writing life lately on

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Speaker 3: I haven't really got into Instagram munch, but it's part

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm about to compliment you, so stand by here

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Speaker 1: it comes. You've got the You've got the best podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I mean this respectfully, that with the smallest audience, Like,

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Speaker 3: everything I sell doesn't sound sexy, right, but but you

432
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: have to really want it. You have to be like,

433
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Speaker 3: all right, I get it. I've failed for twenty five

434
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Speaker 3: years at this Obviously I'm doing it wrong. Because often

435
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 3: you hear that I need fast results, Mattie, I need

436
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: fast results or I'll lose motivation. And I'm like, well,

437
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 3: how many times has that worked for you in the

438
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Speaker 3: last twenty five years. You wouldn't be talking to me

439
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 3: if that system worked right.

440
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Speaker 1: Correct, And I think I think you've got to really

441
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Speaker 1: want it is true. I also think you've got to

442
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Speaker 1: really be prepared to get uncomfortable enough for long enough.

443
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Speaker 1: It's like this is you know, like this is Unfortunately

444
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Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't. Like if there was an easy

445
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Speaker 1: path and a hard path where you could produce the

446
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: exact same outcome over the long term physically, mentally, emotionally,

447
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: I would choose the easy path too, and I would

448
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Speaker 1: recommend you do as well. But there isn't. There is

449
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: no fucking escalated to the top of the mountain, and

450
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: even if there was, even if there was, you're going

451
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: to miss out because you don't get the strength and

452
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: resilience and understanding and insight that comes with climbing because

453
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: the work is being done, but it's not really work

454
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: because you're a passenger. And then you get to the

455
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: alleged top of the mountain metaphorically, and now you have

456
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: no strength or perspective or skill because you didn't do anything.

457
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: You just stood there. And this is the like people

458
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: think that the goal is the goal, and the goal

459
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Speaker 1: is the gift, the achievement of the goal of the gift.

460
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Speaker 1: I think the journey is the gift because it's and

461
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Speaker 1: again this is cliche, but who you become, not what

462
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Speaker 1: you do.

463
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think too, the other part of any

464
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Speaker 3: progress in life, the mentality that needs to surround that

465
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: is that often when it comes to fitness or weight

466
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Speaker 3: loss or anything like that but could be money, is

467
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Speaker 3: that when there's a failure, you failed as a person.

468
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Speaker 3: It's like to go back to that ladder analogy, you know,

469
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Speaker 3: climbing the ladder. People think that if they fall one

470
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Speaker 3: or two steps down, they've fallen off the ladder altogether,

471
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Speaker 3: when actually, instead of because a lot of people lock

472
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Speaker 3: in their mind, okay, twelve week. At the end of

473
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Speaker 3: twelve weeks, oh, the pressure will be released. I'll go

474
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Speaker 3: back to my happy life. It's hard, hard work for

475
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Speaker 3: twelve weeks. I can do that. And then and the

476
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Speaker 3: idea is that if at any point in that twelve

477
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Speaker 3: weeks we fall a few few steps down the ladder,

478
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Speaker 3: we just say, oh, well that didn't work.

479
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: I give up and quit.

480
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: And so I think we also need to all stop

481
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: kidding ourselves that every failure is not catastrophic. It's like

482
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Speaker 3: I dropped the ball today, and when I wake up tomorrow,

483
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to pick that ball straight back up again. Right,

484
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: You're allowed to have a shitty day, a shitty week,

485
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, a shitty month, But it doesn't mean you've

486
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: gone back to zero. You've got the skills, you've got

487
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Speaker 3: the experience. It's just about being like, all right, we're

488
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Speaker 3: going to have a few bad days. Let's plan for that.

489
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Speaker 3: You know, imperfect is the only way anyone's ever done anything,

490
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Speaker 3: So you know, plan for the fact that there'll be

491
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Speaker 3: some shitty days. And having some kind of strategy as

492
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Speaker 3: to how you mentally say, all right, this is what's happened,

493
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Speaker 3: and this is how I'm going to get back up

494
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: today or tomorrow. I think is imperative to success, because

495
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Speaker 3: otherwise people just wait until the end of their program

496
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Speaker 3: to go, oh, the suffering's over.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with many things in life, including tim Tams,

498
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: it's all about how you respond, you know what I mean.

499
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Speaker 1: It's like, how many people have you heard and youtip?

500
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Speaker 1: Probably for me it's been I don't know hundreds of

501
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: times where people have said to me something like I

502
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: blew my diet. So then I just went fuck it

503
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: and I go, what did you do? And after four

504
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: weeks of you know, great eating and good decision making

505
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: and restraint and self control, they had, you know, half

506
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: a pack of Tim Tams. I'm like, okay, well, it's

507
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: not actually about the tim Tams. It's about what you

508
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: do after the tim Tams that has way more of

509
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Speaker 1: an impact, even on your body, you know, because all

510
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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't recommend half a pack of Tim Tams

511
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Speaker 1: in a sitting. Nonetheless, it ain't undoing four weeks of work. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: It's more about the psychological and emotional reaction after that

513
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: behavior than it is about some physical consequence over the

514
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: long term. And like you said, it's that ability to

515
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: be able to go, oh, well, I fucked up, or

516
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: I made a bad choice, or I did something which

517
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: is inconsistent with who and how I want to be.

518
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: What do I do now? What do I do now.

519
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Speaker 3: The other thing that I've learned along the journey of

520
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: helping people that you know, let themselves down, trip over,

521
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: fall off the bandwagon is that we've all got an

522
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: inner rebel within us, like someone that wants to rebel

523
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 3: against the rules on some level. And so what I

524
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: think people need to do, or what I work with

525
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 3: clients to do, is like, because if we put too

526
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: many rules and restrictions, naturally we want freedom, right. It's like,

527
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: you know, one one demands the other in order for

528
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: us to have balance. And so a lot of people find,

529
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 3: especially busy mums and especially you know, people that are

530
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: just overwhelmed with commitments men and women, is they find

531
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: their sense of freedom and variety in food because life

532
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: is so mundane and repetitive and hard that the only

533
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: excitement that they can act access is the supermarket or

534
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: the fast food or uber and so there's some variety

535
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: and excitement there. And so if you put some food

536
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: rules in place, or some agreements about exercise, and you

537
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: find that you keep breaking them, then I would say

538
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: what you need to try and figure out is to

539
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: have a life where you can exercise that rebellion right

540
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: and break the rules, and like the way that I

541
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: do it. I utilize my podcast as a form of rebellion.

542
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 3: You know. One of the reasons it started was for

543
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: me to sort of rage against the medical pharmaceutical machine

544
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: after working in hospitals, right, and so I get to

545
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 3: I get to execute some of that fire within me

546
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: that really goes, yeah, let's do this, let's let's fight,

547
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 3: let's have this battle. I do it on the go

548
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: kart track every single week, you know. But what I've

549
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: found is if we don't find an outlet for our

550
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: natural rebelliousness, because we want to exert control over our

551
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: lives as free thinking, you know, adults, if we can

552
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 3: continue to suppress that, we'll just keep tripping over. We'll

553
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: keep failing, because that rebellion wants a release and it's

554
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: probably going to be with us till the day we die.

555
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I think we need to be aware of

556
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: our stories around food and around lifestyle. And I think

557
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: if your story is I'm missing out, this is hard

558
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: and I can't wait for these eighty four days to

559
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: be over. You know, like, even though you've consciously changed

560
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: your behavior, you're subconsciously waiting for it to end. So

561
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: you can revert to normal, the normal that didn't work

562
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: for the last thirty years or whatever. Right, yeah, so

563
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: we're just like that's why, I mean, you know, until

564
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: we and this is just me thinking out loud. This

565
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: is not a solution, and this is not an instruction

566
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: for anyone, but like, really think about it until you

567
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: get to the point where you can fully commit to

568
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: doing the thing that works, you know, which is okay,

569
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: what's required of me to whatever, to become an amazing

570
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: an academic or a speaker, or to have a podcast

571
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: called how not to get sick and die and have

572
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: a million listeners a month or whatever it is, or

573
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Speaker 1: how to lose twenty kilos or how to run a

574
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Speaker 1: marathon in sub three hours or you know, how to

575
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: go to India and find yourself like TIF did or

576
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, there's there's there's just a there's a price.

577
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: There's a you know, if you want a pair of shoes,

578
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: there's a price. If you want to fucking buy a

579
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: house in Melbourne, there's it. And like the thing is

580
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: that one can you afford it? And two will you

581
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: pay the price? And there's and that sounds kind of

582
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, bloody naff a bit, I guess. But

583
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, unless you fully commit,

584
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: you're always just going to be stopping and starting, like

585
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: you're always just going to oh look, I'll you know,

586
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: I'll see how it goes. I'll see. But if if

587
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: the consequences and I've said this many times on this show,

588
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: but you know, for example, you had to barring injuries, right,

589
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Speaker 1: let's say you had the capacity to. But let's say

590
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Speaker 1: you had to walk five kilometers a day every day

591
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: for the next ten years, and if you didn't, the

592
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: next day you would drop dead. Who's going to not

593
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: walk five k's no one, Like, nobody's going to miss

594
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: one day in ten years because they they'll die the

595
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: next day. Right now, I know this is ridiculous, and

596
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: it's not about it walking and dying. It's about what's

597
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: actually possible when we get in our self in a

598
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: headspace where we go, oh no, this is what I

599
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: am doing every day. This is not what I'm going

600
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: to try to do or hope to do. This is

601
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: not what I'm going to see how I go with.

602
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: This is what I'm doing every day. And this is

603
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: not fucking optional because there is no way that I

604
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: can't do it because I want to live. And so

605
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, when we open that door on possibilities, not

606
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: probability is what's probable is the average person will make

607
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: a commitment and they won't follow through on what's probable

608
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: is most people will talk about the shit we're talking

609
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: about now and not do it. That's probable, that's statistically

610
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: more more likely. What's unlikely is people will listen to us,

611
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: make our decisions, do the work, keep going, embrace the pain,

612
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: and fucking tap into what's actually possible. Now, that's people

613
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: don't want to hear that, But that's just fucking true.

614
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: That's not my opinion. Just look at the data, look

615
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: at the evidence about the amount of people who don't

616
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: follow through. Look at you know, in twenty twenty five

617
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: that we're now in we've got more information, inspiration, education,

618
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: pills programs, products, fucking internet resources, more maddies, more tips,

619
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: more craigs, We've got all of these people sharing, yes,

620
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: what can be conflicting information, but we've also got more

621
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: real science and bullshit science. But we've also got more

622
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: unhealthy people. We've also got more obesity. We've all also

623
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: got more emotional pain, more mental health, issues like we're

624
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: not getting better as a collective. We are as a collective,

625
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: we are getting worse. Now it's down to us as

626
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: individuals to go, well, fuck, I'm going to take control

627
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: of my life, my body, my thinking, my behavior is

628
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: my choice is and it's going to be fucking horrible sometimes,

629
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: but it's better than the alternative steps down off soapbox.

630
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: I agree, And I think practically speaking, one of the

631
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: things that happens when people do commit to new things

632
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: and want to make these changes is that because it's

633
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: the newest thing on the agenda, it's the first to

634
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: go when things, you know, get busy or overwhelming, or

635
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: you need to fit important things in. And so I

636
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: think a useful tip for people when they're making these

637
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: decisions and they're choosing consciously to be like, Okay, I

638
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: am going to try and do this for a long

639
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: time is you also have to choose your sacrifice. And

640
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: I mean that practically in your schedule, because if you're

641
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: going to now go to the gym every day, or

642
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: now you're actually going to spend an hour cooking and

643
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: beforehand you never cooked, you just put stuff in the microwave,

644
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Speaker 3: you're going to lose something, and a lot of people

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