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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk of Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. And it's the mid season

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Speaker 1: break in Formula One. No racing has happened last week,

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Speaker 1: no racing will happen this week, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the podcast stops, at least for this week. Next week

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Speaker 1: we might be on a break. My name's Michael Lomonato,

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Speaker 1: motorsport rider for Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have

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Speaker 1: your company and the company of my co host from

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe. He was also offered one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 1: to join Aston Martin but didn't want to pump up

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Speaker 1: lant Stroll. His name's Matt Cosh.

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Speaker 2: One hundred million dollars. I'll be willing to pump up

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Speaker 2: a lot of things. That's that's an extraordinary amount of money,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah, it's good to be here. I'm honestly

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Speaker 2: not on a beach sunning myself somewhere I feel I

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Speaker 2: should be because everyone else is. But yeah, it's that

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Speaker 2: weird break. Is that weird week or so in the

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Speaker 2: middle where all the teams are on that mandatory shutdown,

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Speaker 2: so there's just nothing, nothing really happening. There's no news

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Speaker 2: coming out, everything sort of extending on what we already know, really,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm very conscious about not calling it the

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Speaker 1: summer break because for the southern hemisphere, like us, there

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Speaker 1: is no summer to be had unless you're in far

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Speaker 1: North Queensland, I suppose, and it's always summer, but it's

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Speaker 1: important to remember the little guys down here to have

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Speaker 1: a Grand Prix. So it is the mid season break

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Speaker 1: in my books. Not much news has happened, Matt, but

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Speaker 1: there was a little bit because I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like every year that I've existed following

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Speaker 1: I relax a little bit after that last race before

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Speaker 1: the mid season break, and then forget that. All of

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Speaker 1: the news breaks that week because the teams want to

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Speaker 1: bury it or just want to get it out of

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Speaker 1: the way before the second half of the season. So

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Speaker 1: there was some stuff to go through. And let's give

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Speaker 1: you your five top stories from the last week in

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Speaker 1: five minutes, and Matt, we're going to start with Helmet Marco,

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Speaker 1: who's revealed the reason Red Bull Racing has kept Sergio

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Speaker 1: Perez is simply for Stability's sake, According to his column

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Speaker 1: in the Red Bull owned speed Week, He also denied

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Speaker 1: rumors that Liberty Media has pressured the team into keeping

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Speaker 1: Perez for his home Mexico City Grand Prix later in

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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 2: And that tell is with what I heard through other

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Speaker 2: channels at Red Bull, there was no pressure from Liberty

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Speaker 2: and even if there have been, they wouldn't have listened

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Speaker 2: to it because it's not Liberty's bat and ball. And

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Speaker 2: also the whole Carlos them Domit stuff and him pressuring

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Speaker 2: that also didn't work. Just that the timeline of the decision,

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Speaker 2: you can prove that Carluslam didn't have any influence in

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Speaker 2: in the way that happened. So, yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: You know it's Perez has done the job. He's not

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Speaker 2: at the moment. But can you guarantee that Daniel Ricardo

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Speaker 2: or Linham Laws would jump in and do a better job. No,

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Speaker 2: So it goes back to the catch cry of this podcast,

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Speaker 2: it's the least worst option.

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Speaker 1: It's good to know Red Bull Racing is finally taking

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Speaker 1: our advice sticking with Red Bull Racing in a relatively

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Speaker 1: surprised stuff to the mid season break. In terms of news,

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Speaker 1: RBR sporting director Jonathan Wheatley will leave the team at

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Speaker 1: the end of this year to become audi's first F

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Speaker 1: one team principal from sometime next season ahead of the

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Speaker 1: team's full debut in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be job showing a little bit with Mitia,

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Speaker 2: between those two. His departure. Jonathan Wheaky's departure from Red

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Speaker 2: Bull not a huge shock. If I'm honest, I've got

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Speaker 2: but it's not as not as it seems. What I

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Speaker 2: loved was Red Bull's announcement which they named his departure

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Speaker 2: point as well. Very unusual and clearly all ASO is

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Speaker 1: Also, massive power move over AUDI. Really, I'm owned by

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Speaker 1: a VW company that ultimately fell out with Red Bull

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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing, but via Silverston. The hunt Forrader in

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Speaker 1: Nui is over, at least according to Italy's Auto Sprint,

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Speaker 1: which reported this week that the former Red Bull Racing

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Speaker 1: Chief technical officer has signed to join Laurence Stroll's team

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Speaker 1: for an eye watering one hundred million dollars. I think

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Speaker 2: You kind of need to do the Doctor Evil one

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars with a little finger to the corner

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Speaker 2: of your mouth. Yeah, over four years, twenty five million

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Speaker 2: a year, plus a few other bits and pieces. It

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Speaker 2: makes some sense as a relationship there. You we designed

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Speaker 2: the Aston Martin Valkyrie, which they will be racers of

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Speaker 2: think it's the Valkyrie which we use in Ward Endurance

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Speaker 2: Championship next year. You know, he's got aspirations to continue

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Speaker 2: the Ferrari deal fell apart, because I heard from a

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Speaker 1: Maybe just couldn't find a house.

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Speaker 2: It didn't fancy, the commune.

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Speaker 1: Didn't like it wasn't up for public transport connections. Not

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Speaker 1: great in Marinello. Let's go to McLaren now. Andrea Stella

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Speaker 1: has been rewarded for the team's upturning performance this year

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Speaker 1: with a fresh multi year contract, the best kind of

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Speaker 1: in alongside Lando Norris and Oscar Piastu for the foreseeable

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Speaker 1: future in what's fast become a title contending at least team.

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Speaker 2: Confusingly, in my notes, I've got Stella resigned because I

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Speaker 2: forgot the signed. No, so he's hanging around. That's good

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Speaker 2: news because you look at the top end of that team.

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Speaker 2: You've got Zach Brown who's recently signed. I think it

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Speaker 2: new deal. Orlando and Oscar both have comparatively long deals.

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Speaker 2: I mean nothing in Formula one is long term. We're

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Speaker 2: talking a multi year deal, so two or three years.

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Speaker 2: So having stability is great. Every successful team in Formula

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Speaker 2: to McLaren in the years to come, because I think

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Speaker 1: Well not even years to come, maybe this year, but

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Speaker 1: to Alpine, where the worst kept secret of the Last

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Speaker 1: Fortnight at least has been confirmed with high Tech co

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Speaker 1: and Formula three and other series. Oliver Oaks announced as

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Speaker 1: Alpine's new team principle, replacing the outgoing Bruno Famam after.

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Speaker 2: From what I understand, that's a endorsement from Flavio Briatore

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Speaker 2: that Luca Demeyo accepted. He replaces Bruno Famine. Of course,

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Speaker 2: what will be important is how much autonomy and authority

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Speaker 2: to make it work without the influence of Reno, because

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Speaker 2: the biggest hang up that that team has is Reno's influence.

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Speaker 2: So make it an independent team and let Oliver Oaks

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Speaker 2: This isn't going to be something that transforms the team overnight.

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Speaker 2: We're talking a little bit like what James Vows is

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Speaker 2: doing it Williams. We're talking a couple of years before

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Speaker 2: we see some serious, serious progress there. Hopefully Jack doing

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Speaker 1: We're really I mean, the big test for him and

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Speaker 1: his authority will be which car park he gets relative

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Speaker 1: Lavio bout or isn't it like his move. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: going to tell you everything. So that's all the news

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Speaker 1: their midseason shutdown, the mandatory two week break and which

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Speaker 1: nothing is allowed to happen. Thing has crossed anyway for

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Speaker 1: our sake. But Matt, let's look back at the first

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Speaker 1: to say, far more dramatic than we expected, not only

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Speaker 1: I think at the end of April, I can't of

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Speaker 1: with the storylines that we've enjoyed. So I thought we'd

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Speaker 1: go through our top storylines of that first part of

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Speaker 1: the year, which might, in fact then shed a little

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Speaker 1: bit of light of what we're expecting for the second

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Speaker 1: part of the season. Let's kick off with you, Matt.

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Speaker 1: What stood out to you is the big talking points

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to tell a little story if I may.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to Bahrain testing, and it

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Speaker 2: year's World Championship. And you know what, the first part

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Speaker 2: Only everyone else didn't get that memo, and they kept

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Speaker 2: Miami World Championship where you've got a world championship and

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Speaker 2: then almost since I don't know if it's if the

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Speaker 2: British Grand Prix is a defining moment, but you've almost

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Speaker 2: now got a three way scrap as well because Mercedes

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Speaker 2: seems to be buying in a little bit. They're probably

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Speaker 2: the end of the year, but there are a threat

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Speaker 2: and they can take points off of McLaren and Rebel

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Speaker 2: when they therefore have a meaningful impact on the way

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Speaker 2: the championship's going. But for me, it all comes down

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Speaker 2: to that Miami Grand Prix weekend. It was a sprint race.

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Speaker 2: McLaren was hugely confident in itself in that it brought

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Speaker 2: had one of them bolted one too, Tolando Norris's currently

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Speaker 2: went out and won the race. Now, there were some

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Speaker 2: circumstance in that that did internally at McLaren. It reinforced

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Speaker 2: Lando Norris that he is a Formula One race winner.

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Speaker 2: It gave everyone on the pitwall confidence that they can

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Speaker 2: go out and win races. It gave everyone else in

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Speaker 2: the Formula one paddock belief that Red Bull can be

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Speaker 2: beaten in a normal race. Okay, there was safety card there,

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Speaker 2: with the oldest spec McLaren Oscar Piastre was chasing Max down,

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Speaker 2: he was as near as competitor with a new McLaren.

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Speaker 2: Once he was in clear our outfront, Landa was able

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Speaker 2: race for me is the defining moment, not just of

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Speaker 2: the first half of the season. I think we'll reflect

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe put some broad restrictions. You know, you

432
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Speaker 2: can't can be this wide and this long and use

433
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Speaker 2: this much fuel. Otherwise, do what you like you as

434
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Speaker 2: as a friend of mine once said, many many moons ago,

435
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Speaker 2: you've got a leader of monkey spit, go and do

436
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Speaker 2: your best with it. So and I like that. That's

437
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Speaker 2: what Formula one should be. It was always I don't

438
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Speaker 2: subscribe to this. Formula one is the technological peak of

439
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Speaker 2: Formula one of the world. It's not. Formula one has

440
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Speaker 2: actually developed very little. ABS was developed in the aerospace industry,

441
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: so was DRS for that matter, in World War Two.

442
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Speaker 2: There's all sorts of things over the time that Formula

443
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Speaker 2: one has been credited with, but Formula one hasn't actually developed.

444
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Speaker 2: So Formula one isn't the technic technological peak of design

445
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Speaker 2: that it proclaims itself to be. So let's accept that.

446
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: Let's not pretend to be it's something that it isn't,

447
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: and just open the rules up again, what's the harm

448
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Speaker 2: I've got one hundred and thirty million dollars a year.

449
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Speaker 2: Let's go.

450
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Speaker 1: It would be a fascinating experiment, wouldn't it, to see

451
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Speaker 1: how the field would develop. Perhaps one day we'll get

452
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Speaker 1: to that point once those financial rules and development restrictions

453
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Speaker 1: are sufficiently bettered in and we're confident no one is

454
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Speaker 1: finding any loopholes. Maybe that is the way of the future.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on now, Matt, to the second talking point.

456
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Speaker 1: My talking point for the first half of the season

457
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Speaker 1: ties into yours a little bit in the sense that

458
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Speaker 1: it certainly involves McLaren and I want to talk about

459
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Speaker 1: Oscar Piastre's first victory, long awaited first win that was

460
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Speaker 1: not in the sprint. Let's not talk about that in

461
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Speaker 1: Grand Prix conditions. Earlier this year at the Hungarian Grand Prix,

462
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Speaker 1: just snuck in before the mid season break. But more

463
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Speaker 1: important than just being Piastre's made in Grand Prix victory,

464
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Speaker 1: because we all knew that was coming. Really, it was

465
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Speaker 1: only a matter of time. Even the way he celebrated

466
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Speaker 1: afterwards sort of really suggested even he knew that that

467
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Speaker 1: he's aiming for bigger things. Wasn't a massive celebration. In fact,

468
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Speaker 1: said afterwards, all he did was go to mcdonald' while

469
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Speaker 1: he was waiting for a delayed flight. So sort of

470
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Speaker 1: the days of big celebrations are along god in Formula one,

471
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Speaker 1: I suppose. But we also got a glimpse of this

472
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Speaker 1: potential rivalry between him and Lando Norris. So I think

473
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Speaker 1: this is important for a couple of reasons. Less so

474
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Speaker 1: probably for the second half of this season, because while

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Speaker 1: Lando is theoretically a driver's title contender, that's a really

476
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Speaker 1: big long shot, and a way bigger long shot than

477
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Speaker 1: mcl claren playing for the Constructor's title, which is very

478
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Speaker 1: much alive. In fact, on current trajectory we've said in

479
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Speaker 1: the last couple of episodes, could be leading the title

480
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Speaker 1: by the time F one rocks up in the US

481
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Speaker 1: in October, after only the next four races let's say

482
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Speaker 1: around four races on the current trajectory. So that's really

483
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Speaker 1: the priority for the team. But it's the long term

484
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Speaker 1: implications of Oscar Piastre beginning to increasingly match Norris in

485
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Speaker 1: all conditions and on occasion surpasshim. In fact, we saw

486
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Speaker 1: at the Belgian Grand Prix he was just the better

487
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Speaker 1: McLaren performer full stop in difficult conditions on a difficult

488
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Speaker 1: weekend when victory was up for grabs, all that kind

489
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Speaker 1: of thing. McLaren is one of the few teams to

490
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Speaker 1: have a stable lineup, not just for next year but

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Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. As we've sort of mentioned at

492
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Speaker 1: the top of the show, it's certainly the closest driver

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Speaker 1: lineup in terms of their results in qualifying on the

494
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Speaker 1: races to be stable next year.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: The only other ones on paper the Red Bull teammates,

497
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Speaker 1: which may or may not continue to next year, and

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Speaker 1: the Aston Martin teammates, where there's obviously a relatively large

499
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Speaker 1: gap between them. Even if Lancetra's been able to close

500
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Speaker 1: that a little bit in the last few months on

501
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Speaker 1: Fernando Orlonso before the mid season break, all the others

502
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Speaker 1: are changing or all the others are way further apart.

503
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Speaker 1: So it's really interesting in that sense that McLaren has

504
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Speaker 1: ended up obviously choosing youth in Piastre, not that much

505
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Speaker 1: younger than Lando Norris but less experienced, but has ended

506
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Speaker 1: up with very quickly to essentially alpha drivers in its team.

507
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Speaker 1: And if things are going the way we expect, Matt

508
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Speaker 1: next year, which is that McLaren will just start as

509
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Speaker 1: a title contender, as if we didn't have the first

510
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Speaker 1: five rounds this year, the championship were to start in Miami.

511
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Speaker 1: That's going to really apply pressure to the team's processes

512
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Speaker 1: and practices in a way we've sort of seen this year.

513
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Speaker 1: Let's reflect on those team orders in Hungary where they

514
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Speaker 1: almost collapsed but just about survived, and the team needs

515
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Speaker 1: to be ready for that. And if we go back

516
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Speaker 1: to that premise that McLaren wasn't thinking it was going

517
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Speaker 1: to be a title contender in such a short term timeframe,

518
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Speaker 1: that is a big test for how this team's going.

519
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: It's a great opportunity as well, obviously, but this team

520
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: suddenly needs to be really ready for what could be

521
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Speaker 1: quite an explosive if not second half of this season

522
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Speaker 1: than twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Massively, it's Oscar Pastre managers. I wrote this actually a

524
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Speaker 2: week or two back. The Oscar Pastric managers to fly

525
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Speaker 2: under the radar a little bit because he's understated. He

526
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: doesn't go in for hyperbole, is extremely self critical, and

527
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Speaker 2: as a result, he almost highlights his weaknesses more than

528
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Speaker 2: his strengths. He doesn't use the media the way some

529
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Speaker 2: drivers do to promote themselves, because he just doesn't feel

530
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Speaker 2: the need. Is that kind of guy. He's so confident

531
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Speaker 2: in himself that he doesn't feel the need to go

532
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Speaker 2: on boast about his accomplishments because he's comfortable in his

533
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Speaker 2: own skin, which is a character trait that Andrea Stella

534
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: has said will serve him extremely well, because he's just

535
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Speaker 2: so assured, just so calm, just so relaxed. And what

536
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Speaker 2: you see on what you see on camera is very

537
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Speaker 2: similar to what you see of Oscar. You know, just

538
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Speaker 2: day to day. He's a little bit more relaxed away

539
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: from cameras and formal interviews and things, but that's just Oscar.

540
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Speaker 2: He's a very relaxed, very chill guy. Clearly nothing flusters him.

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Speaker 2: I mean you just think of August a couple of

542
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: years ago. I mean, that was a monumental moment in

543
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Speaker 2: his career. Just okay, whatever, roll on. Similarly, his race

544
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Speaker 2: win in Hungary, as you say, he went out and

545
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Speaker 2: got some chicken nuggets. That was his celebration. But what

546
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Speaker 2: I find is interesting is the commentary that surrounds McLaren

547
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: is all very pro Orlando Norris and sort of plays

548
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: down the involvement of Oscar Piastrin. I don't think that's

549
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: necessarily a bad thing, and I think the reason that

550
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Speaker 2: is because of Oscar's personality. You know, he doesn't feel

551
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Speaker 2: the need to jump up and down and yell and shout.

552
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: But at the same time, for the most part, the

553
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: English speaking world picks up its Formula one news and

554
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: commentary other than from Fox Sports and Speak Cafe, from

555
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: the UK Press and the UK Press like we're going

556
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: to be inherently probably biased towards Oscar Piastrian, Daniel Ricardo

557
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: and Liam Lawson and Jack Doing. They're going to be

558
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: inherently biased towards Lewis Hamilton and George Russell, Orlando Norris

559
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Speaker 2: and Alex Albon. It's just natural, you know, there's some

560
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: patriotism there. So as a result, they're going to be

561
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: pushing landon Norris. And if you look at the championship standings,

562
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Speaker 2: it makes sense because Lando is a head but if

563
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: you actually break it down, he's yes, he's ahead. I

564
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Speaker 2: think it's thirty two points off my head now as

565
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Speaker 2: they sit now. It was a little bit more than that,

566
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Speaker 2: but that was because of one or two races. Every

567
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Speaker 2: other instance where they've gone head to head, Oscar has

568
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: been either right there or ahead. So it's been very

569
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Speaker 2: very as you're saying, qualifying terms, in race terms, has

570
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Speaker 2: been very very little between them. And Oscar's still getting better.

571
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Speaker 2: Lando is too, but his trajectory has shallowed a little

572
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: bit because he's just more experienced. It's that marginal games

573
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Speaker 2: like we're talking about before with the teams. Oscar's still

574
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Speaker 2: getting better, and you saw that in Hungary and Belgium

575
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Speaker 2: with his high management. Twelve months ago. In Hungary he

576
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Speaker 2: faded because he just chewed the tires up, didn't have

577
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: any grip left and the race got away from him.

578
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Speaker 2: Not that he was really in contentent for the race win,

579
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Speaker 2: but the race just moved away from ahead. This year,

580
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: he didn't have the same problems. In Belgium. He was

581
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Speaker 2: the fastest car on track really in the final stint

582
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Speaker 2: and but for a couple more laps, probably would have

583
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Speaker 2: won that race. So there's proof there that Oscar is

584
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Speaker 2: making very clear, substantial progress. And he's thirty five, thirty

585
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Speaker 2: six races into his Formula One career. There's a hell

586
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: of a lot more to come from him. And this

587
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: takes me back to the mid to late nineties at

588
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: McLaren and you had Mika Hackenan who was a very

589
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: highly rated driver but never really done much, and David Coulthard,

590
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: who had shown genuinely strong potential at Williams. And I

591
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: sort of equate it as though Lando Norris is cool, tard,

592
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: very fast, always seems to be there or thereabouts. But

593
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Speaker 2: I wonder if in the end he's just going to

594
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: get beaten by Oscar. He's a little bit cooler, a

595
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: little bit calmer, and just seems to have a greater

596
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: maximum if that makes sense, Because if they're very close

597
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: as they are, and Oscar's still growing at the rate

598
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: that he is, where is Oscar's endpoint? So yeah, I

599
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Speaker 2: think it's a good call. Oscar's win in Hungary is

600
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Speaker 2: going to create a fascinating second half of the year

601
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: and a fascinating twenty twenty five as they roll on

602
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: with that relationship as well, and probably create a headache

603
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: Andrea Stella and Zach Brown will have to manage very

604
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: very carefully, otherwise it could easily, I imagine, descend into a

605
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: Mercedes Hamilton Rosberg era sort of sort of in fight.

606
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can really break down his season and see

607
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: exactly where those points come from. They come almost all

608
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: in that first part of the campaign, when the car

609
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: wasn't quite upgraded Bahrain, China and Japan. He was four

610
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: places behind Norris. But on none of those occasions was

611
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Speaker 1: Norris on the podium. They all contributed massively. But so

612
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: true did in Miami, where as you said earlier, he

613
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Speaker 1: was actually maxist Happen's closest challenger up until the safety car.

614
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: He should have been in the position to win the

615
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: race had the timing of the safety car been different. Instead,

616
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: after a crash with Carlos Science, you finished outside the points.

617
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: There's a twenty four points string Tolando Norris, And yes,

618
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: Norris will argue that then in Austria, essentially the reverse

619
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: happened to him, and that's true. But you can already

620
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: just see where the points are and they're no longer

621
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Speaker 1: being shipped Norris's way. In the last few months, it's

622
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: simply changed. Like the Constructors Championship has changed since May,

623
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: so too has that dynamic between the drivers at McLaren.

624
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: It is now much more even, and really thirty two

625
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: points is not all that much, Okay, it's a little

626
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: bit more than a race win might be able to

627
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: close it over the course of the season, but it's

628
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: close enough that you're not looking at it going, oh,

629
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: someone's pulling their weight to someone really isn't as some

630
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: people I thought a little bit misguidedly suggested in the

631
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: opening few months when Piastre wasn't on the podium, But

632
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: then McLaren wasn't really in that podium contention early on,

633
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: and we can't forget as well he suffered so much

634
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: poor luck, particularly during May, when I also think, as

635
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: we said on this podcast, he was the better performer

636
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: at McLaren already as early as that in Imola, Monaco,

637
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: obviously Miami, but didn't get the results and the rewards

638
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: to show for it. I think that's going to be

639
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: a really interesting storyline next season, particularly when you consider

640
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: then that this lineup will be up against Charlete Clair

641
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: and Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari, George Russell, probably Kimi Antonelli

642
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: at Mercedes. It's a bit of a wild card line

643
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: up still in my mind. And then certainly Max was

644
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: staffing at Red Bull Racing and either Surgeo Pairs or

645
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Speaker 1: anyone else. Really, it could be anyone who knows how

646
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: that's going to go. The stability works.

647
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: My current and Michael Lemonato at red Bull.

648
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Could be I'm more than one hundred million dollars personally.

649
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: But little bit tall. You might go for Williams instead.

650
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: Well that's okay. I'm happy to race anywhere on the crew,

651
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: just happy to be there really. So it's going to

652
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: be fascinating set up to the second half of this

653
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: year to see how that develops to place as a

654
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: lot of the second half of the year is going

655
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: to be for next season. But Matt, let's conclude this

656
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: week's episode in the now traditional way looking at the

657
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Alternative Championship we've been accumulating. Now it is the mid

658
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: season break, which means no points are going to be

659
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: awarded today, but I thought it was important to take

660
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: stock on where this championship is, considering it has developed

661
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: a great deal in the only month or so that

662
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: it's been running. To keep people up to speed and

663
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: where we're at ahead of the next round of not

664
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: just Formula One action but Alternative Championship action in the

665
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: Netherlands at the end of the month.

666
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 2: Let's face it, it's the one everyone wants to win. Yeah,

667
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: they don't know it, but they really I figure the

668
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: easiest way for us to go through this arbitrary awarding

669
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: of points or subtraction of points, as the case may be.

670
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 2: We've got seventeen entrants on the on the leader board.

671
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: Now let's just run through them from seventeenth to first.

672
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: I pause a couple of times to you here and

673
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: then have a laugh at a couple I imagine. Starting

674
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: with the British Grand Prix organizers who still looking for

675
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: that big half of the year minus one hundred and

676
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: sixty eight thousand. Yeah.

677
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: Great, they're only going to lose more if we consider

678
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: how they performed at the Motor GP round over the

679
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: course of the weekend, where almost no one turned up.

680
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: They could have used some points I think to make

681
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: up for it.

682
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: In sixteenth places Alpine at minus twenty twelve points. That

683
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: was to do with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and

684
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: the lotus that they tried to dress up as an Alpine.

685
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: Lando Norris is in fifteenth place one for I think

686
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: that was a Hungarian Grand Prix and the team orders

687
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: Shimozzle that was there. Red RB rather in fourteenth place

688
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: minus three hundred two. I think I've been a little

689
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: bit harsh on them. That was that was for the

690
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: I can't even remember what race it was, but but

691
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: Daniel Ricardo said that that was the worst strategy he's

692
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: had in his career, So yeah, that must have been hungry.

693
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: There must have been another subtraction in there as well,

694
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: because that was two hundred and fifty odd points that

695
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: they lost in a heartbeat there. But yeah, their they're

696
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: minus three hundred two. And the reason I think they've

697
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: been hard done by is that thirteenth place is McLaren's

698
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: strategist who've arguably lost more, and yet there are minus

699
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: forty four points.

700
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: Well that's still I think it still counts. It's not

701
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: beyond the realm of closing. How many points behind was

702
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: RB did say three three hundred and two they should

703
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: be behind Lando Norris It was eighty one points of

704
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: oh oh yeah, see this is going to say the

705
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: gap were closing, but then then then they didn't.

706
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: This is why I write and not count.

707
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: So they are going to need a big second half

708
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: of the season, are they If they want to win

709
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: the championship.

710
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: Maybe they could signed the Bridge Grand pre organizers and yeah, yeah, yeah,

711
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 2: so McLaren not But Sonny Hayes minus.

712
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: Twenty five probably deserved more. Oft The more I think

713
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: about that dialogue line that he needs a calf a

714
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: combat just shows such a lack of understanding of Formula one.

715
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: It's surprising he's even a Formula one driver.

716
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: How is he going to do that?

717
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

718
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: That was We've got two lines of how am I

719
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: going to do that? Safely? Who cares about safety? Really? Really? Mate?

720
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: All right?

721
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: I think I was thinking of Mario Kart. I think

722
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: that's what he was thinking about.

723
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: The Blue Shehell yeah, sorry, Sonny Hayes's twefth place. Eleventh

724
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: place is McLaren at minus fifteen.

725
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: To stick from the strategists, which is important.

726
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: Correct. I don't remember why we've not fifteen points off,

727
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: but claren would have to go back through the pods,

728
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: please do.

729
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

730
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: In tenth place, the Ifon graphics department for the Great Brighton.

731
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: The Great Britty and Grand Prix. Yes, yes, of course

732
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: of one of the Blue riband events are Formula one

733
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: was totally misspelled. It was the proceeding race Austria. I

734
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: think this season of Spain Austria, I think, wasn't it

735
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: just get the spell checker involved guys. You can you

736
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: can download an extension in most apps.

737
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: You see you throw in some mud here, but as

738
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: journalists we know full well help.

739
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: I think that's why I reduced the points deficit the

740
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: minus points for them, because I reckon I probably had

741
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: a typo in the rundown on that episode.

742
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: Anyway, they're only one point off the back of David

743
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: Croft nine points minus known points.

744
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Yes for the corner with no name turn nine, despite

745
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: having at least one other name possibly too, maybe more.

746
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then Max was staffing at minus one.

747
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Just for not being cool, I think because he prefers

748
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: to do twenty four hours races during pree weekends.

749
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, Christian Hornet at zero in seventh place.

750
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 2: He's had points come and go a few times.

751
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, he's at mill Pla deservedly. Yes, that's okay,

752
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: but that's look. He can build from there half of

753
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: the championship by being on zero points, isn't it.

754
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the points playing positions right now. Ay

755
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton in sixth with nine. That was for his

756
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: ninth winning the Bridge Grown Prayer. I feel like I've

757
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: cheapened him a little bit there. Probably deserved a bit

758
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: more for that, but yeah, nine points for for Lewis,

759
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: he's doing a right.

760
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: Maybe one hundred and four, one hundred and five, whatever

761
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: victory number that.

762
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: Was for him to get another one we can there.

763
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. He gets one hundred and ten. That's

764
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: a nice round Numberah yeah, there we go. That's the bar.

765
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: That's you don't get one hundred and ten wins, you

766
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: haven't impressed us.

767
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: No, actually I want him to get one hundred and

768
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: eleven to he ends up one hundred and twenty points.

769
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: I like round NUMBERSOD.

770
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it's just.

771
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: Jehan top On ten points in fifth place.

772
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: Yes, this was recent, but it's because of the Institute

773
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: in Equalization measures in the budget cap during the pandemic

774
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: that I think has resulted in quite a close championship

775
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: this year. As we explained earlier.

776
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: I like that you've ordered it to him and not

777
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: the Formula one commission that came up to it. But yes,

778
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: that's right. Someone's going to someone's going to take the blame,

779
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: and it may as well be Jean top then Niko Holgerberg.

780
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: This is a genuine p for Nico Holgberg sixteen points.

781
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: I feel like oh did you have that joke? Pre candle, No,

782
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: I didn't.

783
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: Disorder is a total surprise to me. I enjoying going

784
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: through it as any listener would be.

785
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I think he's had a really

786
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: good first half of the year. So yeah. And then

787
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: Oscar Piastre P. Three with twenty five points also feels legit.

788
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: Yes, that's good. I'm happy with Jesus. The points at

789
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: the top of the order of less than the points

790
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: at the bottom. Oh wait, wait, let's significant.

791
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: You wait, you wait. P two ralph S, you macket

792
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty nine.

793
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Okay, that's quite a lot of points.

794
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: That's all. That's he's gonna what's that three hundred and

795
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: four point advantage? O Rosco Piastre so.

796
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: His career points tally we landed nine.

797
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yep, because the points tally points in Formula

798
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: one don't matter anymore, because I've just been watered down

799
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: to the point where you get one for participating carry.

800
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: I don't don't get that one, but okay someone will.

801
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: And then leading the Alternative championship mm hmm. I feel

802
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: like we needed drum rolls and we're not going to

803
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: get it. Drum roll or something Yuki Sonoda one nine

804
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight points. We told you these points

805
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: were arbitrary, So how on how many Why did he

806
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: have so many points? Well because that was the year

807
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: that open faced helmets were phased out.

808
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: A reason to be leading the championship.

809
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: Nothing to do with the actual racing or the championship.

810
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: Very good, Well, I'm very pleased with that. Look, at

811
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: least he's going to get something out of his I

812
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: suppose he's not going to get promoted the Red Bull Race.

813
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can win the CHAMPIONSHP because he ain't getting

814
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 2: a Red Bull contract Rebel Racing. Well, he's got a

815
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: Red Bull Racing contract, doesn't he?

816
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Yes, just doesn't apply. It doesn't get him a swipe

817
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: card into Milton Keynes. Unfortunately, I only could have applied

818
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: for that. That's the state of the Alternative Championship at

819
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: the halfway point of the season, or just after the

820
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: halfway point of the season. Ten more rounds to go,

821
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: ten more well be onre th ten weeks. Actually, I

822
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: think we do this every week, don't we. So we

823
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: many more weeks of confusing entries in which we'll need

824
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: to keep better track of before the end of the

825
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: season to add some kind of explanatory note to how

826
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: it's being decided, but Yuki Sonoda is certainly sitting pretty

827
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: at the top of the standings at this point. That's

828
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: all the time we have for Pittalk this week, but

829
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: we'll be back in a couple of weeks ahead of

830
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: the return to action at the Dutch Grand Prix. You

831
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: can subscribe to Pittalk wherever you get your favorite podcasts,

832
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: and you can leave us a rating and review as well,

833
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: and you can keep up to date with all the

834
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: later steff On news through the week at Foxsports dot

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Speaker 1: com dot AU and Speedcafe dot Com. From Matt Cosh

836
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: and me Michael Amonado, thanks very much for your company

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Speaker 1: and we'll catch you later this month.