WEBVTT - Sharri | 25 November

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening, Big Show tonight coming up, how Anthony Albanizi

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<v Speaker 2>has changed Australia for the worst as the cost of

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<v Speaker 2>living crisis creeps up ahead of the federal election. Pro

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian protesters are tonight as you've been hearing descending on

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<v Speaker 2>a Melbourne synagogue despite being told to counsel. Will go

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<v Speaker 2>live to the scene in a moment. Also tonight, exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>revelations that a man with a Hesbla tattoo on his

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<v Speaker 2>neck has been charged over the anti Semitic rampage in

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney's East. He was about to leave the country when

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<v Speaker 2>police swooped at Sydney Airport. Those exclusive details in a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>And Labor faces its own problem with women after Richard

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<v Speaker 2>Miles's chief of staff takes claims of bullying to court.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, as we sit here tonight, a month from Christmas,

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<v Speaker 2>it appears less and less likely that Albanezi will win

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<v Speaker 2>the next election. I say this not based on the polls,

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<v Speaker 2>although the polls are sharply tracking downward, but based on

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<v Speaker 2>the climate in Australia right now. Labour say over Peter Dutton,

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<v Speaker 2>he's unelectable but he's not looking so unelectable right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Albanizi also claims he is reassured by the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>it's been nearly one hundred years since Labor had a

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<v Speaker 2>one term government. In fact, it was the Great Depression

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty one that saw Labor booted after one term.

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<v Speaker 2>But traditions are currently being shattered.

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<v Speaker 3>In America.

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<v Speaker 2>There'd been only one president who'd won two non consecutive terms.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Grover Cleveland in the late eighteen hundreds. Will

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<v Speaker 2>Trump smash that tradition. He was only the second president

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<v Speaker 2>in US history, and we saw his win was a landslide,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and twelve College votes compared with Kamala's two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty six. So Albanzi can't feel comforted by

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<v Speaker 2>precedent and predictable voting batons when they're being obliterated. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what makes Australian voters consider voting Albanzi out is just

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<v Speaker 2>how he's dramatically reshaped our country without warning or even

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<v Speaker 2>getting a mandate for it at the last election, and

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<v Speaker 2>his list of broken promises is mounting now. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezi took a small target agenda to the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two election. He sold voters on a dream of cheaper

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living, lower power bills and petrol prices. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the prime Minister's greatest failure. Simon Benson reports and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote that households are suffering the worst decline in

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<v Speaker 2>living standards since the nineteen fifties, with the fall in

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<v Speaker 2>real disposable income eclipsing those of the last four major recessions,

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<v Speaker 2>including the nineteen seventies inflation crisis and the COVID pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>Benzonosa reports that the current cost of living crisis is

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<v Speaker 2>hurting households twice as hard as during the nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty two recession. And it's not pretty when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at how other OECD countries are faring. Here's Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>real gross household disposable income per capita. That's the figure

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<v Speaker 2>that you can see in red. It's now falling and

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<v Speaker 2>compared to the OECD, which is the line in blue

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<v Speaker 2>that's now rising. That's each household's disposable income Now at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, as this graph shows, we're paying more

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<v Speaker 2>personal income tax than ever and it's forecast to skyrocket further.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see that forecast the red dotted line again.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst living standard since the nineteen fifties are now

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<v Speaker 2>occurring under a Prime Minister who was literally elected on

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<v Speaker 2>a cost of living platform. Remember how often Albert Easy

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<v Speaker 2>ram that message home during the election campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>We've said that our priority is cost of living, putting

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<v Speaker 4>that downward pressure on inflation, whilst making sure that we

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<v Speaker 4>provide support for families and for people with cost of

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<v Speaker 4>living pressures. Make pressure off cost of living, pressure off

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<v Speaker 4>the cost of living, the cost of living, cost of living.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the cost of living crisis would be reason enough

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<v Speaker 2>for voters to question voting Albin EASi back in.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's so much more. The competition is.

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<v Speaker 2>Tough for Albanesi's worst move since becoming PM. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>some of the worst, and let's call them albotrocities. There's

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<v Speaker 2>the misinformation legislation, the radical environmental laws, the big Australia

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<v Speaker 2>immigration policy that made the housing crisis worse just last week,

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<v Speaker 2>the political raid on the Future Fund, the Voice failure

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<v Speaker 2>and the division that came with it, His tolerance for

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<v Speaker 2>racism against Jews. He's doubling the tax on superannuation for

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy retirees, and who could forget releasing criminals onto the

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<v Speaker 2>streets where they've been free to bash grannies.

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<v Speaker 3>The list is much longer than this.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Albanzi has also refused to sign up to

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<v Speaker 2>the COP twenty nine nuclear agreement alongside all like minded

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<v Speaker 2>countries around the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's the unfathomable.

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<v Speaker 2>Decision to grant visas to Palestinians from a terrorist control

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<v Speaker 2>war zone while refusing a visa for a distinguished former

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli minister who has family here in Australia, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinians are here to stay, thousands of them, while the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli minister was only meant to come here to speak

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<v Speaker 2>at a security conference and visit her family. Albinisi, in

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<v Speaker 2>his Sidekickpenny Wong, also treat allies as enemies and enemies

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<v Speaker 2>as allies cozying up to China while continually attacking our

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<v Speaker 2>ally in Israel. Even the Biden administration is perplexed. The

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<v Speaker 2>moral confusion that we're seeing is astonishing, the capitulation to

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<v Speaker 2>terrorism inexplicable. Now Christopher Doore breaks all of this down

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<v Speaker 2>in his column, easily the most readable in the country,

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<v Speaker 2>and he writes Australia has changed under Anthony Albinizi. It

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<v Speaker 2>is more hateful, it is less safe, Its families are poorer,

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<v Speaker 2>its place in the world less clear, its collective values corroded,

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<v Speaker 2>its common sense corrupted. We are less united, less happily,

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<v Speaker 2>less happy, and fundamentally more divided. A change of government

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<v Speaker 2>has changed our country. It has been slow and subtle.

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<v Speaker 2>It is now surreal. And his columns on the cover

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<v Speaker 2>of The Nightly which says the rebrand.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Australia gone wrong, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He's spot on, We're all worse off economically and socially.

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<v Speaker 2>Albanizi's fingerprints on almost every facet of our lives is.

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<v Speaker 3>Now in upheaval.

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<v Speaker 2>Without warning or asking for a mandate, Albanizi imparked on

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<v Speaker 2>dramatic and dangerous change to our country. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to come back to discussion about that in a moment

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<v Speaker 2>with Steve Price and Joe Hildebrand. But I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to turn now to the breaking news today about the

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<v Speaker 2>man who police allege is behind that anti Semitic attack

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<v Speaker 2>in Wallara in Sydney's East where cars and homes were vandalized,

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<v Speaker 2>one car even torched. Just days after that racist attack

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<v Speaker 2>shook Sydney at the country. Police today arrested a twenty year.

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<v Speaker 3>Old man, his name Muhammad far Hat. That was just

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<v Speaker 3>before four am.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've exclusively reported today that Muhammad was about to

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<v Speaker 2>leave Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>He was booked on a flight.

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<v Speaker 2>To Thailand when New South Wales police swooped in and

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<v Speaker 2>made that dramatic arrest at Sydney Airport. I can also

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<v Speaker 2>reveal that Muhammad has a Hesbala tattoo on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of his neck. He has another neck tattoo as well

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<v Speaker 2>with the numbers three one three. This is I'm told

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<v Speaker 2>of reference to another terrorist group symbol. I'm advised the

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<v Speaker 2>number three one three is significant in Shea Islam and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is associated with Hesbela.

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<v Speaker 2>So an apparent Hesbela supporter allegedly went on this anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitic rampage in Sydney's East and he's been charged with

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one offenses.

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<v Speaker 3>This is scary stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>A man who has a terror symbol tattooed on his neck, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd hope that he would have been the focus of

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<v Speaker 2>counter terror police before this.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Mohammed Farat didn't apply for bail and it wasn't granted today.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be back in court in early December. Now he

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly did an act alone. We know from CCTV you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at it now that at least one other person

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<v Speaker 2>was allegedly on the rampage that night, and my sources

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<v Speaker 2>tell me we can expect.

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<v Speaker 3>Another arrest in the near future.

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<v Speaker 2>But what we've seen today this is the best case

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<v Speaker 2>where police acted fast, very fast to catch an alleged

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrator of anti Semitic violence. And there are two reasons

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<v Speaker 2>for this amazingly successful outcome. Firstly, New Southwal's police, under

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<v Speaker 2>the direction of Premier Chris Mins through resources at this

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<v Speaker 2>They moved extra police onto this strike force, even i'm

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<v Speaker 2>told bringing in officers from regional New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 3>But secondly, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Told that the alleged perpetrators allegedly left items at the

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<v Speaker 2>scene that helped police identify them.

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<v Speaker 3>There were also other factors.

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<v Speaker 2>That helped police, either DNA or fingerprints. We'll know those

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<v Speaker 2>details as it goes through the court process in time,

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<v Speaker 2>but we can only thank the New Southeal's government and

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<v Speaker 2>the police for acting so quickly in this instance. It

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<v Speaker 2>shows what can be done when there's political will and

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<v Speaker 2>that is what has been missing, and we need more

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<v Speaker 2>of it because I'm seeing more and more vile racism

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<v Speaker 2>towards Jews, like this incident.

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<v Speaker 3>That took place in Townsville over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's incredibly distressing in twenty twenty four from

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<v Speaker 2>a shopkeeper in regional New South Wales. And it's why

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<v Speaker 2>rabbis are now feeling the need to publicly speak up

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<v Speaker 2>to implore leaders like Anthony Albineasi to act. Here were

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<v Speaker 2>two rabbis on Sky News tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>He is the leader of the country and therefore prime responsibility,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm afraid, has to rest with him. That's what leadership is.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he's a man of goodwill. I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>he's malicious, but I think he has fallen short in

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<v Speaker 5>exercising the clarity of the leadership which is needed this time.

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<v Speaker 6>The messaging has to be very clear, unequivocal, and the

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<v Speaker 6>consequences have very clear and unequivocal, because otherwise who knows

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<v Speaker 6>where this will end.

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<v Speaker 2>So Daniel Rabin from Melbourne Benjamin Elton from Sydney, both

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<v Speaker 2>speaking out for very diplomatic rabbis to have to speak

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<v Speaker 2>out like this, it shows how dire. The situation is

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<v Speaker 2>we all need to speak up Jews and non Jews alike,

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<v Speaker 2>especially non Jews, to demand Alban Easy and Penny Wang

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<v Speaker 2>and Tony Burke do better. The more we stand up

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<v Speaker 2>to them, the more we speak out, the more we

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<v Speaker 2>can ensure change.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, lots to come tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got international human rights lawyer Hillel Noyer on a

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<v Speaker 2>bit later. Ross Greenwood is also going to join me

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss how Australia has become the world's biggest cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living loser. Graham Richardson and David Gazzard also coming

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<v Speaker 2>up later. But now let's bring in Sky News host

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Price and also Joe he would around our Monday

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<v Speaker 2>regular Great to see him, Steve. Before we get to Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>I just quickly want to start with those revelations that

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<v Speaker 2>I've had today on the Sky News website that a

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<v Speaker 2>Hasbela supporter was allegedly behind this rampage we saw in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who I'm told by police sources has the Hasbela

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<v Speaker 2>signed tattooed on his neck.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope someone like that would have been the focus of

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<v Speaker 2>counter terror police.

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<v Speaker 6>You would have thought he would have been at the

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<v Speaker 6>top of the list, charring. I mean, he's out at

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<v Speaker 6>Sydney Airport trying to flee the country. I mean, maybe

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<v Speaker 6>we would have been better off letting him flee the country,

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<v Speaker 6>but you just don't. You have to wonder where our

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<v Speaker 6>counterterrorism forces are at that they don't know that a

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<v Speaker 6>person like this is potentially.

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<v Speaker 3>Able to do what he did.

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<v Speaker 6>Allegedly, what happened in the eastern suburbs of Sydney was

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<v Speaker 6>just outrageous and shocking and it's scared lot of people.

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<v Speaker 6>And let's hope that the due course of the law

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<v Speaker 6>takes its course and they throw the book at him

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<v Speaker 6>because this is obviously clearly a dangerous individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, all right, and that's all Allegedly he's under investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Police have made those claims. We haven't seen his rebuttal yet. Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you about the Misinformation Bill. This

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<v Speaker 2>is something we've all been campaigning on. The Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>has now been forced to dump this controversial legislation. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have support from anyone in the Senate. The Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>was against it, the Greens were against it, the Crossbench

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<v Speaker 2>were against it. I mean, it was madness to think that.

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<v Speaker 2>For a year and a half he pursued this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you've got to say it's his obsession with censorship.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, I don't actually think so. I think that the

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<v Speaker 7>story is a bit more complex than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he was so angry about the Voice, and what

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<v Speaker 2>he got was misoxformation against there was.

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<v Speaker 7>I think there was a big problem with elements on

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<v Speaker 7>the left who were upset that the Electric didn't just

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<v Speaker 7>do what it was and anyone who you know, they

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<v Speaker 7>can't say that all the people who vote against the

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<v Speaker 7>Voice where you working class immigrants, which they were, because

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<v Speaker 7>that would make them sound classiest and racist, and so

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<v Speaker 7>they had to say, oh, they weren't educated enough, and

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<v Speaker 7>so we have to educate them. We have to protect

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<v Speaker 7>them from this misinformation similar stuff to COVID as well.

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<v Speaker 7>So I think it came from an incredibly pretentious but

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<v Speaker 7>well intentioned place, but it very very quickly became apparent

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<v Speaker 7>that this thing was at Pandora's box.

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<v Speaker 3>It needed to.

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<v Speaker 7>Die, and die quickly. I've never seen a policy pursued

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<v Speaker 7>with less enthusiasm than this one. They made no attempt,

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<v Speaker 7>basically to get it through the Senate, no attempt to

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<v Speaker 7>negotiate because they wanted it to die.

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<v Speaker 8>They knew how harmless it was, how hopeless it was.

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<v Speaker 7>I wrote in a column today that this bill died

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<v Speaker 7>as friendless as an ayatola at a bar mitzvah, and

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<v Speaker 7>that's exactly what it did. It had no friends on

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<v Speaker 7>either side of politics. And I can absolutely assure you

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<v Speaker 7>that this is something that for weeks now, if not longer,

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<v Speaker 7>the government has just been sort of waiting to die

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<v Speaker 7>and just get off the books, get off the decks,

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<v Speaker 7>something that they're going to resurrected, not something they were

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<v Speaker 7>desperate to do. They realized very quickly. I think that

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<v Speaker 7>this raised so many questions, created more problems than it solved,

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<v Speaker 7>and it was just an island of doctor Morow monster.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, I want to ask you about my opening comments

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<v Speaker 2>as well about the cost of living and how dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>our country is deteriorating under Anthony Albanezi. You know, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's his misguided attempts to introduce misinformation laws because he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like the outcome of the Voice and he blamed misinformation,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's you know, most critically, the cost of living crisis,

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<v Speaker 2>but every single thing he's doing is turning voters off.

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<v Speaker 6>The story in The Australian on Saturday really shocked me.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean to read that our standard of living is

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<v Speaker 6>now back where we were in the nineteen fifties, that

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<v Speaker 6>it's much worse than recessions that particularly Joe and I've

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<v Speaker 6>lived through and you have two partly Shari and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the early eighties and the nineties. That is shocking to read.

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<v Speaker 6>And Australians are really hurting. I mean, you know, politicians

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<v Speaker 6>in this country, and I've been thinking about this all

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<v Speaker 6>day to day, politicians are both sides in this country

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<v Speaker 6>are starting to really annoy me because many of them,

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<v Speaker 6>not all of them, but many of them are completely

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<v Speaker 6>out of touch with what's happening in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 6>People might say that I'm out of touch because you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm reasonably well paid and you know I'm at the

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<v Speaker 6>end of my working life, but I'm not a politician

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<v Speaker 6>is trying to steer the country to a better place.

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<v Speaker 6>And every other OECD country, and my great mate Ross Green,

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<v Speaker 6>but I'm sure we'll tell you this later, every other

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<v Speaker 6>OECD country is doing better than Australia. How can that

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<v Speaker 6>possibly be with all the riches we've got, with everything

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<v Speaker 6>we've got at our disposal, with all the advantages we

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<v Speaker 6>have over the rest of the world, how can we

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<v Speaker 6>be sitting here in twenty twenty four going worse. We're

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<v Speaker 6>a bust at ask country at the moment and it's

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<v Speaker 6>really really hurting people and it's really disturbing. I think

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<v Speaker 6>it's I mean, the Labor Party are going to have

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<v Speaker 6>to really rue the day I think that they put

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<v Speaker 6>Anthony Albanesi in charge. You made those comments at the

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<v Speaker 6>start of your program. I agree entirely. The Bloker probably

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<v Speaker 6>should still have been there is the Bloker gave his

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<v Speaker 6>valedictory speech to Parliament last week in Bill Shorten because

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<v Speaker 6>Labour's done is they've installed a hard left prime minister,

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<v Speaker 6>he's got a hard left foreign minister exactly, and the

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<v Speaker 6>Australian public are going, we are no better off and

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<v Speaker 6>these people that are blame.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I couldn't agree with you more.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean alban Easy pretended that he was going to

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<v Speaker 2>lead from the center. I mean he gave that interview

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<v Speaker 2>to you, Joey order Brand in the election campaign where

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<v Speaker 2>he said he wasn't going to go woke like, indicating

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<v Speaker 2>he was becoming a centrist.

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<v Speaker 3>But ultimately you can't abandon.

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<v Speaker 2>And he has been a left faction warrior his entire

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<v Speaker 2>political career.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean he's been a fixer more than a

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<v Speaker 7>factional fixer, and a factional WARLORDO ideological more than an ideological,

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<v Speaker 7>To be honest, I don't think if you know the

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<v Speaker 7>sort of hard heads who knock around Sussex Street, they're

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<v Speaker 7>not a particularly sort of ideological has been ideologically.

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<v Speaker 3>He was at the protest.

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<v Speaker 7>I know, I know the footage of the protest, and

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<v Speaker 7>you know, back then he would have been expected to

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<v Speaker 7>say certain things. Look, he certainly believes that he has

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<v Speaker 7>moved to the center, is far more to the center

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<v Speaker 7>than he has ever been, and just light years, light

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<v Speaker 7>years away from where he was. Look, I was a

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<v Speaker 7>stupid student socialist when I was younger, and now.

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<v Speaker 8>I've got half of Twitter one now.

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<v Speaker 7>But I think, I think what what Alban is he

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<v Speaker 7>has learned is that every time he sort of dips

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<v Speaker 7>his toe in the water of anything perceived as ideological

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<v Speaker 7>or wokeness, it hurts very very much, and you get

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<v Speaker 7>burned and you get punished for it. And we saw

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<v Speaker 7>that with the Voice, and again he was you know

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<v Speaker 7>he responded by dumping all that stuff like a hot potato,

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<v Speaker 7>by talking about nothing but.

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<v Speaker 2>Cost introducing misinformation laws.

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<v Speaker 7>Letting letting those letting those laws are on the line

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<v Speaker 7>and die.

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<v Speaker 3>No one is morning in June last year.

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<v Speaker 7>He fought for them for a year and they have

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<v Speaker 7>been They've been sitting in a back room quietly asphyxiating

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<v Speaker 7>ever since.

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<v Speaker 6>And the come on, I love you like a brother, Joe,

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<v Speaker 6>but seriously, seriously, Mae Becaho's the cheerleading going to stop.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just trying to provide some context for it. So

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<v Speaker 7>again I've heard you're not. I've been highly.

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<v Speaker 6>Sticking up for your mate.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been incredibly critical of Labor, and basically for the

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<v Speaker 7>last three years of Labor being in opposition, I was

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<v Speaker 7>screaming from rooftop like me and Joel Fits given both publicly.

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<v Speaker 7>We have got to ditch all that woe crap. We've

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<v Speaker 7>got to get the party back from rapped when Donald

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<v Speaker 7>Trump won the election, because it means the Democrats have

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<v Speaker 7>to do the same and learn what happens when they

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<v Speaker 7>start to go on ideological crusades and have steering elites

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<v Speaker 7>talking down to work.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about the Barley Nine.

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<v Speaker 2>There's now a controversy over the Albanese government's decision to

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<v Speaker 2>bring the remaining Ballei nine members who are in prison

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<v Speaker 2>back to Australia. This is the deal done with the

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<v Speaker 2>Indonesian government. Now the coalition has demanded to know what

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<v Speaker 2>was given in exchange.

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<v Speaker 9>Have a look what is the deal? What is he

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<v Speaker 9>extracted in relation for the deal? What is Australia giving

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<v Speaker 9>up in relation to the deal? How much is it

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<v Speaker 9>going to cost the Australian taxpayer? Will they continue to

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<v Speaker 9>serve their prison sentences because they have been sentenced to

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<v Speaker 9>life imprisonment in Indonesia?

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<v Speaker 2>Once again Albanezy government refusing to answer. No transparency, another

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<v Speaker 2>broken promise. Steve Price, what's your view on this? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think they've done their time? I mean it was

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and five. I was a reporter covering it

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<v Speaker 2>at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think they've done their time or do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's no reason for Australia to spend money

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<v Speaker 2>bringing them back here.

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<v Speaker 6>I was on the air on radio the night the

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<v Speaker 6>two ring leaders were executed and that was a horrible

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 6>thing to have to witness. But these people were trying

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<v Speaker 6>to bring from memory something like eight Kilo's a heroin

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<v Speaker 6>back into Australia. And they were a variety of involvement

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<v Speaker 6>in it by all of them, but that's what they were.

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<v Speaker 6>They were going to be heroin traffickers. They were stupid people.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean the Australian Federal Police tipped off the Indonesians,

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<v Speaker 6>as you know, and that's why this crowd got arrested.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd just like to have one question answered by the government.

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<v Speaker 6>Why are we doing this? I mean, where was what's

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<v Speaker 6>the hurry and the Russian? Where did the idea that

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<v Speaker 6>we needed to do it come from? Who's pushing for this?

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<v Speaker 6>What were you know, what is Indonesia getting in return

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<v Speaker 6>for us taking these people off their hands? And I

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<v Speaker 6>think Micaulia Cash is right to ask all those questions,

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<v Speaker 6>none of which we got an answer to.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we do need to know the answers to

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<v Speaker 2>those questions before we can form a proper judgment Joean

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not this is a good thing in our

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<v Speaker 2>national interest.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, I mean I don't think it's not particularly uncommon

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<v Speaker 7>for Indonesia to they hand out extremely punitive sentences, including

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<v Speaker 7>death for these offenses and again, Steve's absolutely right. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>trafficking heroine isn't a victimless crime. It results in hundreds

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<v Speaker 7>and hundreds of debts and it's an absolutely horrible drug.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, as with the case with Chappelle Krby,

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<v Speaker 7>often what happens is you get, if not a life sentence,

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<v Speaker 7>then a giant sense of say thirty years or something,

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<v Speaker 7>and then on the President's birthday or a certain public holidays,

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<v Speaker 7>the President, in his great merciful beneficence, will you grant

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<v Speaker 7>an active clemency or mercy and reduce it. And again

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<v Speaker 7>it's not unprecedented for people to come from Indonesia and

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<v Speaker 7>other Southeast Asian countries and finish the rest of their

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<v Speaker 7>senses in Australia. I'm not sure if it's that big

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<v Speaker 7>a deal. I don't know if it even would have

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<v Speaker 7>got to a midiserial level. Apart from just sort of

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<v Speaker 7>signing it off, there would have been consular officials working

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<v Speaker 7>behind the scenes. My sister was one of the people

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<v Speaker 7>in Defata was trying to stop the Bali nine members

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<v Speaker 7>from being executed. We all know how that went.

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<v Speaker 8>But again.

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<v Speaker 7>Without sort of saying too much, but there is always

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<v Speaker 7>work going on behind the scenes trying to get these out.

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<v Speaker 7>And again I didn't see it coming. This was not

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<v Speaker 7>on my twenty twenty four being go yeah no.

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<v Speaker 2>But once again yeah, no mention of any of this

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<v Speaker 2>before it happens. Joe hud Around, Steve Price, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I want to take you back to Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we know that the pro Palestinian protesters were told

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<v Speaker 2>not to turn up to the synagogue in Crawfield tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>This protest was canceled. The Victorian government stepped in to

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<v Speaker 2>take action today and yet we're hearing, and you've been

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<v Speaker 2>seeing on Andrew Bolt that protesters did turn up.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go live to the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've got Sky News reporter Georgie Dickerson on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>So Georgie, what do you know about how many pro

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Palestinians ignored the ruling that they should be canceled and

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<v Speaker 2>turned up anyway.

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<v Speaker 10>Good evening, Sharry, Well, around twenty.

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<v Speaker 11>People from my county is the number of pro Palestinian

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<v Speaker 11>protesters that did turn up. We arrived here around six

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<v Speaker 11>o'clock tonight outside the synagogue here in Courtfield.

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<v Speaker 10>And there was a slowly the level and the number.

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<v Speaker 11>Of the Jewish community started to turn up, and it

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<v Speaker 11>seemed as if there was going.

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<v Speaker 10>To be okay.

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<v Speaker 11>It seemed as if for the first hour or so

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<v Speaker 11>that the pro Palestinian protesters were going to abide by

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<v Speaker 11>what they had said. They said that they had canceled

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<v Speaker 11>the protests and they weren't going to turn up. But

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<v Speaker 11>that was when we saw a mass running of some

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<v Speaker 11>of the Jewish community down to around halfway off this street,

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<v Speaker 11>and that is when we saw around twenty of those

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 11>pro Palestine protests. The Jewish community was yelling at them,

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<v Speaker 11>saying go home, go home, And at the moment they

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<v Speaker 11>have gone home. This is a situation that it looks

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<v Speaker 11>like at the moment we've gone a large turnout of

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 11>members of the Jewish community. They have been extremely peaceful.

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<v Speaker 11>They have been playing songs, they have been dancing. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 11>some of the Instagram posts that we had seen from

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 11>some of the pro Palestine groups claimed that the Jewish

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 11>community was going to be violent. They say that was

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<v Speaker 11>never going to be the case. I spoke to so

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<v Speaker 11>many people here tonight and they say that they feel

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 11>like they've already been pushed out of the city. There's

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 11>pro Palestine protests every single weekend on the steps of

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 11>Parliament and they say, now these groups are coming into

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 11>their backyards somewhere where they.

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 10>Should feel safe. We've seen vision of one person being arrested.

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 11>We're unsure exactly what reason that was for, but at

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 11>the moment it's.

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 10>Remaining calm here. There is a large police presence here tonight, Shari.

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 11>To ensure that it did escalate, that they would be

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.639
<v Speaker 11>on hand to stop that from escalating any further.

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I just want to pick up

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 2>in the comment you made there where you've spoken to

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>people who say that they feel that they can't go

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 2>into the city anymore, especially not on the weekend. And look,

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 2>that's the same in Sydney as well. When you have

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 2>thousand strong pro Palestinian protests every weekend in the city,

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>you know that takes out areas that as a Jew

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.360
<v Speaker 2>you can go. So I hear what the people are

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 2>telling you. And now that this protest was going to

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 2>come once again outside of synagogue, we know that that

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>already happened in Melbourne.

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 3>There was also.

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Vandalism on a synagogue in Sydney.

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it.

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Moves to a point where it becomes intimidation when it's

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 2>outside a place of worship.

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 3>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 10>Exactly right there, Shari.

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 11>Even when we were speaking to some of these people

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 11>the Melbourne Burke Street Christmas decorations out the front of Maya,

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 11>they were forced to cancel the opening because pro Palestine

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 11>groups wanted to protest out there, saying that these people

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 11>were complicit in genocide.

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 10>And speaking to some of the people here on the ground.

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 11>Today, they say, you know, people should be able to

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 11>enjoy Christmas, they should be able to enjoy these happy moments,

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 11>but instead they're being shut down, and they feel it's

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 11>almost an empty threat.

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 10>They are claiming that they're.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 11>Going to come here, they are inflicting this fear.

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:50.679
<v Speaker 10>But then on the other hand, they turn around and

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 10>say that they're going to cancel the protest.

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 11>So it feels like the damage has already been done

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 11>when they're making these threats time and time again, and

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.880
<v Speaker 11>you know, people own backyards don't feel safe. But right

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 11>now it seems like the moon has certainly lifted.

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 10>There is songs and dancing happening.

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 11>Everyone that drives past basically beeping their horns in support

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 11>of the Jewish community that is out here. Tonight, So

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 11>for now it looks like it's all bit over. We

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 11>can't see any signs of those pro Palestine protesters. There

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 11>was a small scuffle just down there before. It looked

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 11>like there was another small couple of people from that

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 11>group coming forward, but they were quickly shoot away by

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 11>a mass group of Jewish community and a mass group

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 11>of police that were quickly on the forefront down there.

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Sharry, Well, Georgie, thank you so much for the news update.

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>You've done a terrific job all night and good to

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 2>see the joyous spirit their Jews reclaiming their streets outside

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of synagogue.

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 3>There should be no protests, Thanks Georgie. Now still to come.

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>SeaBus Chairman Wayne Swann snubs the Senate committee that's investigating

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the Funds customer service scandal. I'm going to discuss that

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>with Russ Greenwood next. Plus the Deputy Prime Minister faces

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>a potentially DMN in court battle after his chief of

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 2>staff launch legal action over bullying claims. Well, will the

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 2>left media launch an anti women campaign now against Labor?

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I'll chat about that with my panel a bit later.

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Welcome back.

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, as we've been speaking about tonight, Australians are experiencing

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the sharpest decline in cost of living standards since the

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen and our living standards have fallen by eight

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 2>point seven percent. It's higher than during the recession in

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the eighties or the nineties. At the same time, the

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 2>government is being accused of raiding the Future Fund for

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 2>its political pet projects, and voters are pretty angry about

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.479
<v Speaker 2>all this. Will Sky News Business editor Ross Greenwood, I'm

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 2>thrilled to say, joins me here now.

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Ross.

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to Wayne Swann and the Future Fund in

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 2>a minute, but I want to start with this report

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>that we've seen on the weekend that our living standards

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>are now worse than in the fifties.

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.719
<v Speaker 3>Can you talk us about why this is so.

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 12>What's happened is inflation in Australia has really hurt people.

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 3>But it's not just that.

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 12>It's the amount of tax that the government is taken

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 12>out of people's pockets that has risen. So the government

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 12>tax take right now is at a record level and

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 12>he's only going to get higher from here. So while

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 12>the good news is that people have got jobs in Australia,

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 12>people need to have jobs because if the unemployment rate

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 12>were to arise ays save in the Reserve Banks suggests

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 12>by the end of this year should be four and

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 12>a half percent. It's four point one percent. Now you've

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 12>put another one hundred thousand families or without an income.

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 12>You've got some real economic problems that the Albanezi government

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 12>would have to face. Now. The fact is that they're

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 12>taking record amounts of tax out despite the fact that

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 12>we have got almost near record low unemployment rates, and

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 12>so the real pressure on families is coming from all

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 12>of the costs and from interest rates staying too high

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 12>for too long because inflation hasn't come down quickly. So

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 12>this is the real problem for Australia families. They need

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 12>two incomes in capital cities to be able to afford mortgages,

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 12>to be able to afford the cost of living, and

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 12>so there is real pressure on families right now. They

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 12>feel it very much, so, especially if a job is

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 12>lost or if a marriage busts up. There where the

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 12>real pain points will come into the future.

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 2>And then you look at how Australia compares with other

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 2>OECD nations already now but also the forecasts, and you

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 2>know we're just worse.

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 12>So go back pre pandemic disposable incomes in Australia have

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 12>fallen by two percent. The average of the other OECD

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 12>countries has them rising by seven point seven percent. So

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 12>you see the real issue here is that in Australia

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 12>there is a fundamental problem now though Australia has not

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 12>slipped into an official recession two consecutive quarters where the

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 12>economy goes backwards, which other nations did, because they pushed

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 12>interest rates up faster and as a result now taking

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 12>pressure off by cutting interest rates, like for how long

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 12>we'll find out here at Australia, they took a different course.

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 12>They really the government and the Reserve Bank then trying

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 12>to keep as many people in jobs as possible by

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 12>basically keeping interstrates not as high as others. Didn't plunge

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 12>the economy in recession, but guess what happened the individual

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.719
<v Speaker 12>the household has been in recession for months and months

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 12>and months now, and that's what consumers are feeling. That's

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 12>what people are feeling. That's the reason why you've got

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 12>restaurants going out of business around Australia right now, because

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 12>people do not have the disposable income to be able

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 12>to go out and spend on those types of luxuries.

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the per capita recession and it's just immigration really that's.

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Helped batch up the overall figures.

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Now I want to ask you about CBS chairman Wayne Swann.

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Now, this is a big scandal.

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 12>The former federal treasurer, the euro money Treasurer of the

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 12>year or Finance Minister of the year at one stage.

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, indeed, as he liked to tell everyone, the best

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>treasurer in the world. Now he has been called to

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>appear in front of a Senate committee that's investigating the

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 2>allegations that sibus mishandled the death and disability payouts. Now

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 2>we're told that he quote and I'm quoting here, that

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>he would not be in a position to add anything

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>further to the areas of particular interest to the committee

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>at this time. Surely he should appear USS, given he's

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the chairman.

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 12>SeaBus is one of Australia's biggest superannuation funds. It has

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 12>ninety four billion dollars that it manages and it has

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 12>nine hundred and twenty thousand members, so it represents a

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 12>lot of Australia. Now, just one little side to this

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 12>is that SeaBus actually also runs the Media Super the

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 12>Superannuation Fund, so Media Super, which I used to be

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 12>the chairman of the Investment Committee and I was a

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 12>director of for years, so I know a little bit

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 12>about this. But what's happened is there's two things that

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 12>are going Number one is, and this is the issue

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 12>that you're pointing out, is that sea Bus basically is

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 12>said by ASSEK, the Australian corporate regulator, that they mishandled

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 12>almost one hundred thousand people who came forward with claims

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 12>for either insurance, life insurance or disability insurance. In actual fact,

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 12>what happened was at SeaBus not get back to them

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 12>in a prompt and timely manner as they're supposed to

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 12>do within ninety days. So as a result there's something

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 12>in the administration of that fund that has not gone well.

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 12>But then secondarly, this is another issue, a separate issue

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 12>which has come up, and this is as a result

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 12>of its close alliance with the CFMAU, clearly one of

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.799
<v Speaker 12>the most milletant unions. Now the Victorian branch of the

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:25.320
<v Speaker 12>CFMEU has been sent into administration and as a result,

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 12>three members of Seabas who are appointed by the union

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 12>have had to quit, one of whom is Dave noonan

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 12>very well known union is he did not go willingly.

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 12>But what they've done is they put other members into place,

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 12>as they're entitled to do. One of those is Paddy Crumlin,

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 12>who is the former head of the Maritime Union, right

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 12>one of the most milleant unions in Australia. And there

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 12>are question marks about the appropriousness of the directors that

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 12>have been appointed to this board. So Wayne Swan right

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 12>now is grappling with one issue on administration, but they

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 12>did not pay out the.

0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Life actual crisis as well.

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 12>And then they've got the other crisis that comes from

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 12>the collapse of the CFMU see ciebus. Being one of

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 12>our most powerful unions tells businesses how they should behave

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 12>and how they should react. And right now inside that

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 12>superannuation fund they have their own crisis in terms of

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 12>governance and culture and the way in which they should

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.839
<v Speaker 12>behave and whether they have behaved appropriately, which is now

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 12>being investigated not only by the Superannuation Regulator APRA, but

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 12>also by the Corporate Regulator ASSEX. So this is pretty serious.

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 3>And set an inquiry to top it off.

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 12>That's right in cops I should tell you about a

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 12>quarter of a million bucks a year for being the

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 12>chair of that super fun.

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 2>He definitely needs to front up if he's getting paid

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 2>that sort of money. All right, Russ Greenwood, we'll talk

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>about future fund next time, because I know you're an

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:44.399
<v Speaker 2>expert on that as well.

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Thanks for her. Now still to come.

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 2>The ICC's deeply disturbing decision to issue arrest warrants for

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Nada Yahoo has shocked well everyone except for Penny one.

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to speak about her pathetic response with international

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>human rights lawyer Killel Noyer next, plus the claims of

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 2>bullying by Richard Miles, chief of staff. I talk about

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that with my panel a bit later. Well, Pennywog has

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 2>been grilled over the Albanese government's response to the International

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Criminal Court's decision to issue a rest warrants for Neda Yahoo.

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 2>She was asked why Australia is out of step with

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 2>our biggest ally, the US.

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 13>Here she was I have made clear many times in

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 13>this place that all parties to the conflict must comply

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 13>with international law, and I again say we respect the

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 13>independence of the International Criminal Court and its important role

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 13>in upholding international law.

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 3>It's now clear.

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Australia should leave the ICC immediately and we should leave Pennywong.

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 3>Behind US Foreign Minister too.

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>The ICC and Pennywog are both utterly discredited on this issue.

0:36:56.360 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 2>The ICC issued a warrant for Hamas leader Muhamma Dave.

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 2>He's presumed dead, and also that move puts Israel on

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.880
<v Speaker 2>power with a terror group, lumping Israel's right to defend

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>itself from Hamas on power with the October seven massacre itself.

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Now Israeli Prime Minister Etta Yahoo has responded.

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 3>To all of this.

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 2>He said he's deeply concerned at the anti semitism of

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the ICC.

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 1>The antisemitic decision of the International Court in the Heague

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 1>is a modern Dreyfous trial and it will end the

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 1>same way. One hundred and thirty years ago, the French

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Jewish officer Alfred Dreyfus was falsely accused of treason by

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>a biased French court.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've outlined before, Israel has not committed war crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>It has not starved children. Israel has gone above and

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<v Speaker 2>beyond to make sure civilians are protected. It's Hamas and

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas alone that continues to put innocent Palestinians in harm's way,

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>but again showing how warped the Albanezy government is. It

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<v Speaker 2>also refused just on Thursday night, a visa to former

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Minister Aolette Shaket, an upstanding advocate of Israel who

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<v Speaker 2>has family here in Australia. Well, Pennywong had no problems

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<v Speaker 2>fast tracking literally thousands of visas to Gazans from a

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 2>war zone controlled by terrorists. This government couldn't get any worse.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joined now by un Watch Executive director and international

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<v Speaker 2>human rights lawyer Hillel Noya.

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<v Speaker 3>Hillel, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again. Look, I want to start with the ICC decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you explain to my audience why its accusations against

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<v Speaker 2>Israel are horrifically wrong.

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<v Speaker 14>Look, the International Criminal Court in the Hague has issued

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<v Speaker 14>arrest warrance for Israel's Prime minister its former defense minister

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<v Speaker 14>on the accusation that they committed war crimes by depriving

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<v Speaker 14>Palestinians of humanitarian aid. But the facts show the very opposite.

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:17.439
<v Speaker 14>The facts are that since the war, Israel has facilitated

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<v Speaker 14>into Gaza. Again. This is a territory from which Hamas

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<v Speaker 14>waged war, launched an invasion On October seventh, there was

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 14>a ceasefire in place for a couple of years, Hamas

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<v Speaker 14>launched an invasion, massacred twelve hundred Israelis in front of

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 14>their family members, dragged in some two hundred and fifty

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 14>Israelis and many of whom are still being held as hostages.

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<v Speaker 14>Despite that Israel has facilitated into Gaza in the past

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<v Speaker 14>year twenty seven thousand tons of medical aid, fifty one

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<v Speaker 14>thousand tons of water, eighty five thousand tons of shelter equipment,

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<v Speaker 14>and eight hundred and seventy thousand tons of food aid.

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<v Speaker 14>So the notion that Israel's leaders are depriving gasms of

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<v Speaker 14>humanitarian aid is manifestly false and frankly shows the depth

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 14>to which this once respected court has now descended, and

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<v Speaker 14>it joins the club of other international entities such as

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<v Speaker 14>the Human Rights Council, where I'm based in Geneva, which

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<v Speaker 14>was founded by Eleanor Roosevelt and Reniequssin eminent figures of

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<v Speaker 14>human rights, and today includes the Chinese communist regime, the

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 14>qatar whose Katari regime that sponsors terrorists, the Cuban police state,

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 14>and other dictators. So sadly an institution meant to protect

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<v Speaker 14>international justice has joined a very nefarious club.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, can you tell us about your revelation that a

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<v Speaker 2>secret Lebanon meeting has occurred between a former UNRAK Commissioner

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<v Speaker 2>general and also some terrorist organizations?

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<v Speaker 3>What can you tell us?

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<v Speaker 14>Look, Sherry, you and watch as a massed a dosia

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<v Speaker 14>a massive trove of evidence documenting how UNRA leaders, including

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<v Speaker 14>the former leader Pierre Crahenbul and the current leader Felipe Lazarini,

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<v Speaker 14>how they routinely meet with terrorist leaders from Hamas, from

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<v Speaker 14>the Islamic Ghead and other terrorist groups including Asbat al Ansar,

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 14>which is an al Qaeda affiliate. They routinely meet with them,

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<v Speaker 14>whether in Lebanon or Gaza. And we obtained one transcript

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<v Speaker 14>of the meeting where the former Commissioner of UNRA said

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<v Speaker 14>to Hamas and the Jihad we are united. Nothing can

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<v Speaker 14>separate us.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable, and yet, Hillel, the Australian government still continues to

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<v Speaker 2>fund ANRA to the tunes of millions of dollars, despite

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 2>the fact that there's mounting and long standing evidence of

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>its links to terrorism.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely shocking, Hillel Noya, your reports from U nrot watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Your exposes are always brilliant and I thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for your courageous work. Now, don't go anywhere. Richard

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<v Speaker 2>Miles's chief of staff takes him to court. Well, will

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<v Speaker 2>Labor finally deal with the allegations of bullying. I'll discuss

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<v Speaker 2>that after this break with my panel. All Right, lots

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 2>more to cover. Let's bring in former Labor minister Graham

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Richardson and former John Howard advisor David Gazard.

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<v Speaker 3>Great to see you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, let's start with Richard Miles, the Deputy Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>He's now staring down the barrel of a court battle,

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<v Speaker 2>his former chief of staff launching legal action against him

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<v Speaker 2>and the Commonwealth and even Albanize his own chief of staff,

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<v Speaker 2>Graham Richardson. How damaging is this going to be?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, it's not going to help, that's for sure. And

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<v Speaker 15>the problem also is one of those things that will

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 15>tend to go on and on and on. Whenever you

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 15>start to get near a court, you know you'll get delays.

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<v Speaker 15>And so I do worry about this. I think this

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 15>is unfortunate and I think that the government should be

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<v Speaker 15>making some extra steps to try and stop it going

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 15>down that path. In a court and sorting it out.

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<v Speaker 2>David Gazard, we saw the campaign against Scott Morrison. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you expecting this to be as lethal against Albin Ezy

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<v Speaker 2>and his government?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean I agree with Graham here.

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<v Speaker 16>I mean I think journalists have been very, very incurious

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:33.720
<v Speaker 16>when it comes to this case after sort of taking

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 16>up the cudgels against the previous government over its perceived

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:41.320
<v Speaker 16>women's problem. But that's come back to bite them, and

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<v Speaker 16>Graham is absolutely right. This will now drag on in

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<v Speaker 16>the courts because this chief of staff has felt she

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 16>hasn't got the proper hearing, no one has believed her,

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 16>no one has come to her and asked her her view.

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 8>She's indeed been treated.

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<v Speaker 16>Like a lapper by the Labor Party, and so she's

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 16>launched legal action which will now deflect from the government's

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 16>message for the coming weeks and maybe months in front

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 16>of us all the way possibly to the next election.

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:13.319
<v Speaker 8>So the incuriousness of the Gallery has just.

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 16>Pushed this underground, and so this chief of stuff has

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:17.839
<v Speaker 16>now gone to.

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 8>The courts for action.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you think a labor woman would get more support

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<v Speaker 2>from the press gallery and the Labor Party itself. Now,

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 2>let's have a look at this decision by the Abenezy

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<v Speaker 2>government not to take part in the COP twenty nine

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.439
<v Speaker 2>agreement on nuclear Well. Dennis Shanahan has ridden a great

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 2>piece in The OHS where he says that there's now

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<v Speaker 2>a danger and growing evidence that the government is turning

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:45.760
<v Speaker 2>the issues of renewable energy and nuclear power from believing

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:49.479
<v Speaker 2>what it believed, sorry from being what it believed would

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<v Speaker 2>be negatives for Dutton actually into positives for the coalition.

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<v Speaker 3>Graham, what do you think about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think nuclear could actually be something like Dennis

0:44:58.160 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 2>says that works in Dutton's favor.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, Look, I think that there's been a massive change

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:04.879
<v Speaker 15>of thinking on this. I think if you've went back

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 15>a decade or two, obviously, women in Australia practically to

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 15>a woman, we're against it. And you know that once

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:16.360
<v Speaker 15>you get that in that means your poles are pretty

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 15>well slanted all the way. But I think that you

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:22.719
<v Speaker 15>know that attitude has changed. I think there's been plenty

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 15>of demonstrations now that you can have a modular, small,

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 15>modular nuclear power plants that can just look after a

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:38.239
<v Speaker 15>city or a village whatever. You don't need to have

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 15>the massive power plants to which we've become accustomed. So

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.800
<v Speaker 15>I'd say that this is an issue not to go away.

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<v Speaker 15>And I'd say that Dutton has been ahead on this.

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<v Speaker 15>You know, he's leading on this issue and he's doing well.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked risky, I think risky when Duttin first came

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 2>out with this policy. But David now it's alb and easy,

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>that's looking out of step with the international community, and

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:04.919
<v Speaker 2>voters will be thinking, well, why does he think he's

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<v Speaker 2>smarter than all the other world leaders.

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<v Speaker 16>That's right, there's many other countries that are going down

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 16>this path. As Graham correctly says, I think the real

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 16>structural problem for the Albaneze Labor Party and the Labor

0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:23.879
<v Speaker 16>Government is that they were fine to sign up our

0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 16>navy with submarines and sub mariners in nuclear submarines, and

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 16>so you've got a bunch of sailors that are going

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 16>to be sitting on top of a reactor literally while

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 16>while it cruises along underwater. Those same submarines are going

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:44.919
<v Speaker 16>to be serviced in Australian ports. But yet they're saying

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 16>it's a danger to the health of Australians to have

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:53.240
<v Speaker 16>other reactors on shore that will deliver a cleaner power,

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 16>and we've of course, we've got tons and tons of uranium.

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 16>So if you're going to crack the seal on submarines

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 16>and sign up to the Orchest agenda with nuclear submarines,

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 16>you can hardly turn around and say well it's unsafe

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 16>if we use the same reactors on land.

0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. And then there's the cost argument.

0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>But it seems like, well we've heard that the renewable

0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:17.839
<v Speaker 2>energy transition will be just as or if not even

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.879
<v Speaker 2>more costly. And now just before we go, we've seen

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Graham Richardson this warning from business leaders. And remember the

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 2>business community was on board with the Albanesi government. Now

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 2>they're warning that Australians are going to face worse living

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:33.280
<v Speaker 2>standards and job opportunities.

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<v Speaker 15>Graham, Well, I think I was waiting for them to turn.

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.720
<v Speaker 15>It's not as if the business community is a natural

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 15>ally for the Labor Party, and so anytime you get

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.880
<v Speaker 15>them supporting labor, it's always temporary, it never lasts, and

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 15>this one was never going to last either.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's lasted a while so far.

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<v Speaker 2>David Gazard, what do you think of what the CEOs

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<v Speaker 2>actually had to say today?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, it's interesting because I think big business particularly find

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 16>themselves almost friendless across the spectrum. They campaigned in part

0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:11.920
<v Speaker 16>at least for a change of government, and the Coalition

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 16>now are saying, well, we don't owe big business anything.

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 16>If you've got problems with productivity and ir why don't

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 16>you go to the party that you supported to get

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 16>it into government now?

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<v Speaker 8>So I think the Coalition will.

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 16>Try to paint itself as the Party of workers, but

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 16>not the party of big business.

0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.360
<v Speaker 8>But Graham's right, that's definitely right, and I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Seen out of time, David Gazard, Graham Richardson, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for your time. And just quickly before I go tune

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 2>in tomorrow night, I've got one of Donald Trump's key

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:47.319
<v Speaker 2>appointments on the show. Don't miss that tomorrow at eight,

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<v Speaker 2>his Paul