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Speaker 2: Great? Thank you for having me back. And your patient

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Speaker 2: should be getting on well.

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Speaker 1: We had a few techers, everybody, a few tech issues.

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Speaker 1: It's taken a while, but the very patient doctor John

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Speaker 1: the moment? Are you in Are you in Australia?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how's it going great?

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Speaker 2: We just had a presentation over the weekend, the Breakthrough Experience,

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Speaker 1: What are the other than because of course the States,

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Speaker 2: So I've spoken in one hundred and sixty one countries.

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Speaker 1: Now I wanted to talk to you today about a

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Speaker 2: Course technology has evolved enormously more recent years. So when

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they thought that I was being defiant

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Speaker 1: This is such a massive story. We made four hours.

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Speaker 1: tell us about that, Like nobody's sending their thirty and

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Speaker 1: you're all going, all right, all the best, champ, knock

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Speaker 2: Well, I had unique parents, and I'm going to I'll

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Speaker 2: So my dad said, we're going to have to make

434
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Speaker 2: him understand how the world works. So I ended up

435
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Speaker 2: working in my dad maybe do all these chores and

436
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: all the world taught me how to do landscaping and

437
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: mowing and all this stuff. So I ended up having

438
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Speaker 2: my own company when I was nine. I had nine employees,

439
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: three groups of three doing yards, and I was renting

440
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: out equipment through the neighborhood to help me with that.

441
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: And I made forty five dollars after everybody got paid,

442
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: including my dad a day. That's like four hundred dollars

443
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: or five hundred dollars a Day's.

444
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Speaker 1: That I mean forty five dollars a day back then

445
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: for anyone, I mean for anyone is a lot of money.

446
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Speaker 2: Do you know I still my dad charged me for

447
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: the equipment.

448
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: Huh.

449
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: And then because he says, this is the real world, son,

450
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach you the real world, because if

451
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: you're going to go out there and be a yardman,

452
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: then you need to know what to take to make

453
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Speaker 2: a business out of it. And he charged me for that.

454
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: And then he said, you know, you keep buying things

455
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: with your money instead of saving it. You need to

456
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: learn how to save or otherwise you'll be working for

457
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: your money as a slave all your life. And so

458
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 2: he bought me this coin collection set and this big

459
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: piggy bank. I still have that piggy bank in my

460
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: office in the drawer. I've never opened it since nineteen

461
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: sixty three. It's filled with coins. Wow. My dad wanted

462
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 2: me to think long term, so I keep it as

463
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: a metaphor in my office to think long term. Now

464
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: here's what it was cool. He charged me, you know,

465
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: the rental use of the equipment because I was having

466
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: to wear and tear it. He had a depreciation schedule it.

467
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: But my dad said, now that you learned to save,

468
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: and now that you're balancing your savings and your purchases,

469
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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you one step closer to freedom.

470
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: And every time he talked to me, it was usually

471
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Speaker 2: costing And I said, what's that, Dad? He says, from

472
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: now on, you're going to buy your freedom. You're going

473
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Speaker 2: to pay seven dollars and fifty cents a week, a

474
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: little over a dollar a day, a dollar and fifteen

475
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: cents a day to live at the house. That'll be

476
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: for your clothing, food, and rent. But you're free to

477
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: get up at five in the morning as long as

478
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: you're home at nine pm. You're free to do anything

479
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: you choose to do. But you're going to be accountable

480
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: for whatever you do and relationship to others. But I

481
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: want you to know you bought your freedom now that

482
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: you're paying for your food, clothing, and rent. So I

483
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: paid basically a dollar a day to live at home

484
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: when I was nine, and I'm telling you that would

485
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: be considered kind of a child unfairness. Today, I am

486
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: so grateful my dad did that. He made me an

487
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: entrepreneur and I learned how to survive. I rode my bicycle.

488
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: I bought a bicycle. I rode my bicycle thirty five

489
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: miles in different directions to explore. By the time I

490
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: was twelve, I was hopping trains to different cities by

491
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: the time I was thirteen, I was hitchhiking to different cities.

492
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Speaker 2: At fourteen, I hitchhike to California and down in New

493
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Speaker 2: Mexico and lived in Mexico for part of the summer,

494
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Speaker 2: and then later I went over I to La and

495
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Speaker 2: off to I panhandled enough money on the beaches because

496
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: I was it was easier for panhandling from the girls

497
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: on the beaches than it was working at the time,

498
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: and I made enough money to go and fly to

499
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Speaker 2: Hawaiian and I lived in Hawaiian.

500
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Speaker 1: Excuse my ignorance. What is panhandled mean? It's not a

501
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Speaker 1: term we use.

502
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Speaker 2: Well. Panhandling is at Hunting Beach, California, which is sort

503
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: of the surf center. You walk up and down the

504
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: beach and you ask girls, the prettiest girls on the

505
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: beach if they happened to have a quarter, right, and

506
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: they would give you a quarter and I'd have to

507
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: go change it into dollar bills because they jingle after

508
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: a while. But then I'd meet the girls and chat

509
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: with the girls and now sometimes get a little lunch

510
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: and stuff and that. So that was my way of socializing, engaging, entertaining,

511
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: meeting girls. So that was it was a. I can't

512
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: complain that was That was nineteen sixty eight. That was

513
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: a pretty good era.

514
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Speaker 1: You know, what I think is really ironic about your story,

515
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: or part of your story, is that not only were

516
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: you not stupid, you were brilliant. And I'm not saying

517
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: this to make you good, I mean feel good. I

518
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: mean if I was your next door neighbor and I

519
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: was just observing you living over the fence, and I

520
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: was watching this kid next door doing all this stuff,

521
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: coming and going, you know, running this team of nine

522
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: people doing all the things, you know, I would go,

523
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: this kid is an entrepreneur, he's a genius. He understands

524
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: human behavior like this is one. I actually did a

525
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: podcast yesterday, doc which isn't up yet, but it's called

526
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Speaker 1: I think it's called something like the Slipperiness of Intelligence,

527
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: and it's so funny how we you know, it's changed

528
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, but for so many years, people basically

529
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: did a certain kind of test and then they were

530
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: given a number, and based on the number, you were

531
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: somewhere between pretty stupid or really highly intelligent. And that

532
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: was because you scored one forty, has scored one twenty,

533
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: or you scored seventy two. Well, you're a complete dummy.

534
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: You could probably hardly cook a piece of toast, right,

535
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: and so all of this ironically stupid ideology around what

536
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: intelligence is, you know, but I'm thinking about not only

537
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: were you not dumb, like you were the opposite of it.

538
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: And I know you don't want to say that because

539
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: it sounds arrogant, but you must looking back think. Excuse

540
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: my language, dock. I know you don't swear.

541
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Speaker 2: I do.

542
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: I was a pretty fucking smart kid.

543
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't think of it that way. I just

544
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: thought I wanted to earn money. I went to my dad,

545
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: I said, I I want to earn some money to

546
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: buy a baseball glove and bat. Yeah, you said, did

547
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: you mow the art yes. Did you trim the sidewalk yes.

548
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: Did you sweep the garage out and the driveway yes.

549
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Did you clip the hedges yes? Did you weed the

550
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: firebed yes? Did you tighten the shale on the side

551
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: the house yes? Did you shine my shoes yes? You know.

552
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: Everything that he needed to get done I had done.

553
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: He said that you're gonna have to if you want

554
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: to earn money. I can't give you money without work.

555
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 2: So if if you're gonna have to do that. You're

556
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: gonna have to go to the neighbors. So he's the

557
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: one that initiated me to go to the neighbors. I had.

558
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: All I had was a drive to try to earn

559
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: some money because I wanted to buy a baseball glove

560
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: and bat and sport equipment, so arrive with that. So

561
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: I can't say I was any sort of genius. I

562
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: just had a desire to make money. And so I

563
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 2: went down to the Zoobra well. I went to the

564
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: Evans house two doors down, and their house was a

565
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: little bit unruly, and I knew I could clean it

566
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: up really nice. I said, if I was to to

567
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: straighten out and mow and edge and clean out in

568
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: the sidewalk and the hedges and everything else, would you

569
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: like some to do that? And she said how much?

570
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: I said, I it's no idea. I didn't even know

571
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: where to pick. I just picked a number out of

572
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: there and it worked, just guessed and she said that

573
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: sounds fair to me. And I got stung by bees.

574
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: I was blistered from the sun. I had blisters on

575
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: my hands, but I did it, and I did a

576
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: great job, and a lot of people in the neighborhood said, well,

577
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 2: whoever that kid is, how much is he charging? And

578
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: that took off and I started doing it, and then

579
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't do them all. And one day a kid

580
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: was coming up riding his bicycle, just walking his bicycle

581
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: next to me. Well, I was pushing the lawnmower, and

582
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: I got this crazy idea and I thought, how would

583
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: you like to make some money? He goes, yeah, he said,

584
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: I'll give you fifty cents if you push this lawnmower

585
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: around this yard. And those days there weren't automatic lawnmowers.

586
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: You had to kind of push him. And he was like,

587
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: fifty cents, it's pretty good. That's a lot of money

588
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: for the kid back then. He took his fifty cents

589
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: for mowing and edging, and it was twenty five cents

590
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: for raking and collecting, you know, cuttings and putting them

591
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: in out at the front. You didn't have bags in

592
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: those days. You just stacked them in the front right

593
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: and the garbage people would take it away. And so

594
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: I got kids that was eager to get fifty cents

595
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: in a quarter, and they were loving it, and mainly

596
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: because they could they could make a little money, and

597
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: they could hang out with me, and they could hang

598
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: out with their friends, and it was really kind of fun.

599
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: And that I got so many job opportunities that I

600
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: got three groups of those people doing it. And I

601
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: had to borrow the zoobrods and the Malas equipment. And

602
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: they contact my dad how much you're charging him? And

603
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: he told them and so they did the same thing.

604
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: So it was a standard across the board. And I

605
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: went to work and I had no problem. Had to

606
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: work ethic because I wanted what the economics was buying.

607
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: I wanted to be able to have. I bought me

608
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: a golf club set, you know, a whole set. I

609
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: bought me a bicycle. I bought all the sports stuff

610
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: that I wanted and that's really wanted. And I did

611
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: a coin collection set, and I started collecting money. My

612
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: dad said, when this bank fills up, we'll drop it

613
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: off the bank and you'll put it in deposit and

614
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: you'll earn interest on it. But I ended up keeping

615
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: that little piggy bank. And I'm telling you, if you

616
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: look in the piggy bank, they're nineteen oh one and

617
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: nineteen oh five nickels and buffalo Nichols and pennies in

618
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 2: there that it's probably worth I don't even know how much,

619
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: But I have a coin collection set that's from nineteen

620
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: sixty three, and some of those coins were already fifty

621
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Speaker 2: years old.

622
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Speaker 1: Now I know that we know that you're a polymath.

623
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Speaker 1: We know that you know a lot of things about

624
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: a lot of things, and we know you've got probably

625
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: got an idetic memory, and you you're a voracious consumer

626
00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: of you know, information, inspiration, theology, philosophy, psychology, all of it.

627
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: But also like you've just got to like your life

628
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: in itself has been a massive lesson. So when you're teaching,

629
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: not so much talking to a bloke on a podcast,

630
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: but when you're teaching and you're in front of a

631
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: group and you're trying to, I guess for one of

632
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: a better term, help them to help themselves. Right, how

633
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: much of what you're sharing is something that is essentially

634
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: acquired knowledge through research and kind of more formal learning,

635
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: And how much is through you know, just doing decades

636
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: of life, just solving problems day after day and figuring

637
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: stuff out. How much how much comes from just is

638
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: drawn from your life and your experience and your insights

639
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: and how much is through the insights that others have

640
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: given you by their books or whatever.

641
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question. I don't know if

642
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: I can answer that with absolute clarity and certainty on

643
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: what that ratio is. It varies because of what I'm

644
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm on a roll and I'm downloading information on

645
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: a topic that I've read, and sometimes I'm sharing stories

646
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: that I think will accomplish it. It depends on what

647
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: I think and who they are and what I think

648
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: will help them get the job done. I mean, if

649
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: telling my story will be of help, I'll tell my

650
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: story or tell somebody else's story that inspires. But sometimes

651
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: it's just information. Depends on the topic of the program

652
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: I get to do. So I don't know what that

653
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: ratio is. It kind of like a moving target. It

654
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: fluctuates a bit.

655
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: A bit of both. What was the name of that

656
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: guy that you intersected with when you were seventeen? Who

657
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: was it you were telling me there was someone that

658
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: you met when you were seventeen, Yes, what was his name?

659
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: His name was Paul C. Bragg brags them neo acids.

660
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: You may remember, yeah, right, he was the health enthusiast

661
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: that helped open up a thousand health food stores across

662
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: America and tried to create a health culture. Jack Lane

663
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: was a derivative him, even though Trump was a student

664
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: of his.

665
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, isn't it Like? I think perhaps, like when

666
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: we're talking about it, it's obvious, but I think when

667
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: we're not focused on it, like in general terms, I

668
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: think we underestimate the impact, the potential positive impact and

669
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: value over the long term of having one person who

670
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: comes into your life that says, hey, you're all right,

671
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: Like when you're actually you know, somebody that gets you

672
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: and you get them and they see you. They don't

673
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: see the lack of this or the lack of that,

674
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: they see your potential. That's that's a gift, right.

675
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. I was sitting at it. Well, I

676
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: nearly died. I was writing a big line in care

677
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 2: where I nearly died and I had sinide strychnine poisoning

678
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: from something I'd eaten. Why. I was led by a

679
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: lady who found me nearly dead, took me to a

680
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: health food store and got me some carrot juice and

681
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: got me some food. Now, I'm very grateful for that lady.

682
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 2: I've never been able to see that lady ever again.

683
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: But I'm grateful for that lady because she's the one

684
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: that helped me recover and to me, health is store.

685
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: And at the healthy store, sit next to me at

686
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: this little health bar was an albino African albina looked

687
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: like Jimmy Hendricks but white. Wow. And he was sitting

688
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: there and he looked at me and he saw my

689
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: hands with the spasms, kind of like like Joe Cocker,

690
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: and he said, you need take a yoga class, man

691
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: and have mind over mind over body. This African guy.

692
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: And if he had this said that, I might have

693
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: not noticed the word yoga on a door as I

694
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: was leaving it, and it had a special guest speaker,

695
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: Paul C. Bragg at a yoga class. And I saw

696
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: the word yoga. I can help that. And I didn't

697
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: really pay attention to the name who he was, but

698
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: I just I'm going to go to that yoga class

699
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: because of that guy. I kind of felt that there

700
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: was a meaning of why he said that, and I

701
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: was led to the this yoga class and that's where

702
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: I met Paul Bragg. That's that my life changed. November eighteenth,

703
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two at that class. The night I met him,

704
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: my life trajectory changed big time.

705
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: And I bet, I bet it feels amazing. And I'm

706
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: sure you've had this many times when people come up

707
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: to you and say, you know what, Doc, I was

708
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: at an event that you did ten years ago, twenty

709
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: years ago, twenty five years ago, and you said you

710
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: said this thing, or we spoke and I'm not you,

711
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: I'm not in your ballpark. But I've had this happen

712
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: quite a lot of times, where people will go, you

713
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: said something at a workshop or a seminar, and then

714
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: I went and did this. How good is it when

715
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 1: someone comes back to you and they did the work,

716
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: but the moment in time with you was a turning

717
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: point for them. It was a catalyst. It was like

718
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: there was something happened for them and that kind of

719
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: led into something life changing.

720
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: I am blessed to have that. I mean regularly, but

721
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: I just got to share with you. It's interesting you

722
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: asked that, so I got to share one many years ago.

723
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess eighteen years ago, probably right now.

724
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: I did a presentation in Los Angeles. I think I

725
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: was at the Fairmont No Marina the marina went on

726
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: the beach in Cinemati and there was a lovely lady

727
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: there in her six year old son and I had

728
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: She had already heard me before, and she wanted me

729
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: to tell him the statement that I used to say

730
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: to myself that Paul Bragg gave me. I told Paul

731
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: Bragg that I didn't know how to read, and I

732
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: don't know how to write, and I don't know how

733
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: to speak properly, but I dream about being a teacher

734
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: like him. And he said, that's not a problem. Say

735
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: to yourself every single day that I am a genius

736
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: and I apply my wisdom, and you say that every

737
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: single day, never miss a day for the rest of

738
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: your life. I have never missed a day, not one

739
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: day from statement. So I shared that statement at a talk.

740
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: The mother brought his son there six and she said,

741
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: could you share that statement with my son so he

742
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: can do that same. So at six years old, he

743
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: started saying, I'm a genius and I apply my wisdom. Well, Friday,

744
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: let me see if I can draw this. Wow. Friday, Yeah,

745
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: gentlemen graduated at Harvard with three degrees and honors, and

746
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: said that to me.

747
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: The docks holding and for those who are just listening

748
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: to the docs holding up a photo of a young

749
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: man graduating.

750
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Ah, but that's incredible and he is considered ingenius today. Wow.

751
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: Two wow, tears jerker. Yeah it is.

752
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Yeah, and that's that's why you do it right,

753
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: exactly right there, that's it.

754
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I show one more thing I am The

755
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: night I met Paul Bragg, we want.

756
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: Just to be clear moving forward, we want less of

757
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: me and more of you, So just go wherever you want.

758
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: He he inspired me that night, No doubt. That guy

759
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: inspired me. He inspired so many people. Yeah, he passed on.

760
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: You know when I eventually came back to Texas started

761
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: school and I never saw him again. Wow. But I

762
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: was speaking in two thousand and eight in Honolulu, Well

763
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: that's not true. In Waikiki and at the Higatt Regency

764
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: right across from Wikiki Beach. Yeah, and I was speaking

765
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: there doing my signature program, the Break to Experience, for

766
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: about eighty people. And in the back of the room,

767
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: right before I'm about to take a break, it walks

768
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: this four foot seven lady with a hat on that's

769
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: dressed in pink, right, and she's in the back and

770
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: I watched her walk in I'm going I wonder who

771
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: that is. I kind of thought it was dark in

772
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: the back, and it's light where I was. And as

773
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: I was just finishing and starting to take a break,

774
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: people came up to me and asked questions. You know

775
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: how they do when you're teacher. Yep. And finally this

776
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: lady walked up to the front and looked up to

777
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: me and grabbed my hand and she said, I'm Patricia Bragg.

778
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you remind me of my father.

779
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, I bet how are you with that?

780
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Well?

781
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: You did you? Did you have any sense of that?

782
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you didn't know. I didn't expect that coming.

783
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: But I got tear one of those you know, when

784
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: you get everybody probably has learned to their own experience

785
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: when they get those aha eureka, gamma synchronisity moments. Mmm,

786
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: this kind of a resilient auto autonomic regulation in the brain,

787
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: and you're just poised and present. You get this kind

788
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: of knowing that there's a moment of authenticity in your

789
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 2: life and a special meeting, and you get tears in

790
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: your eyes and to follow it, obey it. It's a

791
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: message for you, That's what it was like, because I

792
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: just knew when she said that, because I mentioned Paul

793
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: Braggett many many many talks because he inspired me. But

794
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: I didn't expect her. So we went to lunch with

795
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: that lady. On the following day, my daughter and she

796
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: contacted my daughter and she said, you know, I took

797
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: over my dad's business and carried on his legacy. And

798
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: she said, just in case your dad, you know, wants

799
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: to have a legacy. It's really inspiring and my daughter

800
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: is carrying on the legacy now because of that.

801
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Wow, it's incredible.

802
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: Man.

803
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: That would be like I would imagine for you in

804
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: that moment when she said, you remind me of my

805
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: dad and then you put that together, that's like the

806
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: ultimate compliment, right it was.

807
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: It was one of the more honorable moments because she

808
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: really meant it with tears. Yeah, she said, Mommy, my father,

809
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: the way you speak and your desire to share and

810
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: to make some difference, which is what I love doing.

811
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: And that's she said until she passed. She passed just

812
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: recently nineties.

813
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: So just another question or two, Doc, I thank you

814
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: for being so vulnerable, and I love your stories, I

815
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: love your journey, I love your wisdom. It's I'd love

816
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: to get you on more than once every two years.

817
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: Maybe we can work something out, But I wanted to

818
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: know so for people who are listening, who are opening

819
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: the door, their own learning, growing, evolving door in a

820
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: world where there is literally, well not literally but metaphorically,

821
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: an ocean of information and personal development and self help

822
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: and you know, alleged wisdom and real science and pseudo science,

823
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: and you know, any advice for people on knowing what

824
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: or who to pay attention to is that for somebody

825
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: who just goes, I'm overwhelmed. I don't know where to start.

826
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Do you have any wisdom on who or what should

827
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: I listen to or pay attention to?

828
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: Well, I've said on the movie The Secret many years ago,

829
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: when the voice in the vision on the inside is

830
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: louder and more profound than all opinions on the outside,

831
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: you begin to master your life. Wow. Wow. So, but

832
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: there is some interesting things that I've been blessed to uncover.

833
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: There's a you know, Xeno, the Greek philosopher, and probably

834
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: prior before him, is noted as the developer of the

835
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: dialectic where you take a proposition and have an opinion

836
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: and you propose it with the statement, and then somebody

837
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: comes in and proposes an anti proposition, thesis anti thesis.

838
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: There are two arguments trying to persuade the other one,

839
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: not as a debate, we're both of too rigid to

840
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: learn from each other, but in a dialectic where they

841
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: both are learning from each other and gradually creating a

842
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: synthesis and integration of them. And almost every field of inquiry,

843
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: and I've been blessed to study three hundred different disciplines

844
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: in every field of inquiry. If you look at the

845
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: historical evolution of that, there has been a dialectic. Will

846
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: Durant found this in his work on the History of Civilization,

847
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: The History of Philosophy, Story of Philosophy. He showed the

848
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: dialectic was one of the synthesis of opposites. Herakleidas said

849
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: that there's a unity of opposites and then there's Later

850
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: in under Chaos theory, they found out that there was

851
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: a thing called a law varistic escalation that anybody who's

852
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: an ideologue, who has an ideology that projects that as

853
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: a proposition and trying to create order according to their

854
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: value system, an equal opposite value system which will be

855
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: perceived chaos by them, but will be perceived order by

856
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: the opposite will arise kind of like a pro life,

857
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: pro abortion pro goons antigonis pro Trump anti Trump thing,

858
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: and these are if there are people at the bottom

859
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: that debate and argue and rigidly fight and they don't

860
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: get anywhere, but each has a bit of the truth

861
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: in it. It's each is the conspiracy of each other.

862
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: And then as you've got come up from the amigla's

863
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: valent assignment hippocampic stored, you know, survival mentality of absolutisms

864
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: and extremisms where there's nothing but debates and fights and

865
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: you don't get anywhere to gradually through the singular cortex

866
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: up into the media prefonal cortex. You're going towards reason,

867
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: gradually moving to a point where you're able to handle

868
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: the synthesis and synchronousity of these opposites. And the dialectic

869
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: was designed to gradually learn from each other receptively and

870
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: add together until you end up getting a pure synthesis,

871
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: as Hegel would describe. And when you get the synthesis,

872
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: you get closer to an objective fact, you might say,

873
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: instead of just a bias subjective distorted opinion, which is

874
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: noted for survival thinking. And I believe that if you're

875
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 2: pursuing any field of inquiry and a discipline and trying

876
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: to find the logos in that individuology, the real reason

877
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: and pattern of the master plan of its application in life,

878
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: if you keep your eyes open for pairs of opposites,

879
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: they will guide you right into the center and you

880
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: will have a higher probability, at least a probability that

881
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: you might be able to be less biased and more

882
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: objective in the pursuit. And the synthesis is confirmed in

883
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: that state of authenticity in the brain, and that's been

884
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: the greatest guide in learning. I'm sure you've had moments

885
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: so you've just got a tear in your eye and

886
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: you knew that you knew there was something solid there.

887
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: Now pursue it. And I think the way the brain

888
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: is set up that it tries to help us become

889
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: most authentic. Coin to Scientific American I think twenty twenty

890
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: two September October, I believe there was a fantastic article

891
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 2: on the ventral media prefunnal cortex on its spontaneous action

892
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: potentials and its ability to integrate knowledge and create an

893
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: identity that you're going to call you a self from

894
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: all the different personas that you've incorporated into your life,

895
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: and it gives you a more authentic you. And it's

896
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: a more authentic confirmation because it's more objective than it

897
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: is subjective, and that is it's not a perfect it's

898
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: just the approximation is closer to the unity. One in

899
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety seven, in his book on psychology, said that

900
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: the ability to see simultaneous opposites and not be swayed

901
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: by one side and opposing of another liberates the mind

902
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: from the intrusive space and time occupation of intrusive thoughts,

903
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: which creates the insomnia of judgment. And this I think

904
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: we all innately intuitively have a sense. Some are more

905
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: aware of it than others to guide them and their

906
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 2: knowledge so they're not swayed and gullible to one side

907
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: or overly skeptical to the other, and they instead of

908
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: an in group out group biased, they're able to see

909
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: both equally and embrace them. This transcends the racial prejudice

910
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: and biased interpretations that create the opposites which are drawn

911
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: to you to try to make sure you get more

912
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 2: liberated and they quilibrated instead of biased. So nature forces

913
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: into these our state and life just by the resistance

914
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: we get when you when you present something in the universities,

915
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: you're going to be attacked by all the pairs of

916
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 2: opposites and they're going to tear it apart, and they're

917
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: going to praise it, they're going to repriment it. And

918
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 2: maximum growth and development occurs at the border of praise

919
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: and reprimand. And so when you can embrace the two

920
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: sides together and embrace that as an act of love,

921
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: that's what love really is.

922
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: I love that. It's it's to me. It's like, there's

923
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: this thing that happens in Australian culture, probably happens everywhere.

924
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: But where people say pick a side, they say pick

925
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: a side, mate, right, I'm like, they like, get up,

926
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: get off the fence.

927
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: I go.

928
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: I love the fence because I can see all the

929
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: sides and the moment that I commit to, the moment

930
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: that I join your club or your thought cult or

931
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: your ideology. Now I'm not allowed to think any way

932
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: other than your way. Now I'm in an echo chamber.

933
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: Now I'm in the middle of confirmation bias. I can't.

934
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: Critical thinking goes out the window. So I'm going to

935
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: stay up here on the fence where I can observe.

936
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: And and you know, it's like.

937
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: I was speaking, I was speaking. My background is also

938
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: in chiropractic. I was a health professional, and I was

939
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: asked to speak at a conference, uh where there was

940
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: about two thousand people maybe, and half of them were

941
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 2: from the ICA, the International Chiropractic Association and half of

942
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: the ACA American Chiropractical Association. And they literally sat on

943
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: opposite sides of an aisle. Hilarious and and and the

944
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: three speakers were the two presidents of the organization and me,

945
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: and so they had the ic A stand up and

946
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: Greg Gregory, Yeah, Gregory, I remember his name is Gregory.

947
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: He spoke up first, and he was biased on his

948
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: side and kind of condemning the other one. So he

949
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: had biased to his information out to the other one.

950
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: The other one got in there like a debate, like

951
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: Christopher Hitchins and his anti thesis brother. I don't know

952
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: if you've ever seen him in debate, but he's an atheist.

953
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: His brother is a theist and they go together and

954
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: have fun debating. It's really quey, yes, then they had

955
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: they had it finalized by me, and I showed the

956
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: benefits of both of them. Wow.

957
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guard you with it.

958
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: I entded the conference where you need a vitalistic and

959
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: mechanistic You need the pair of opposites, the unity of

960
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: oppos It's maximum growth and development occurs at the unity

961
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: of oppos It's like ker Clyde has said, two thy

962
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: six hundred years ago, and we have been passing up

963
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: the wisdom of the ages and aging because of our

964
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: misunderstanding of the magnificence of the unity of opposites.

965
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: And so at the end I got a standing ovation

966
00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: and they.

967
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: Got it.

968
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well well done you. I mean, that's yeah

969
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: for you to be I'm going to bring that. The

970
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: guy thought, well, that's a very relevant, very relevant moment

971
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: to share that insight right that.

972
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 2: The guy from the ACA, Ken Lutikey was his name.

973
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: He got up and said, doctor d Martini, Wow, that

974
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 2: was a profound message you gave. May I say one

975
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: final thing, and and and and you could see it

976
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: was humble and then he said this, it was just phenomenal.

977
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: He got up and he said he was teary eyed

978
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: like I get sometimes. Yeah, he said, forty years ago,

979
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 2: I started my career as a politician in the field hellfield,

980
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: and I everything that I heard from my from the ICA,

981
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 2: I was from voting M and without even realizing it,

982
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: slowly but surely, I ended up on the other side. MM.

983
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: And he said, I realized that the gentleman that I'm

984
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: supposedly in challenge with is my childhood that I'm not.

985
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm not loving about myself and he said, he said,

986
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: I only hope that I can pass on some wisdom

987
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: and we can dialogue and pass on some wisdom so

988
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: he doesn't have to end up where I am and

989
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: have another young man do the same. Maybe for the

990
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: profession you can unify he was. He was that his

991
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: wisdom was honored and both sides stood up for him

992
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: too because of his way ahead of that.

993
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: Well, good for him, and you like the the en

994
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: Mass marriage Guardance counsel A right there, you just pull

995
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: two warring parties together. Hey, Doc, I appreciate you so much.

996
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: You've got stuff to do. I realize that you're in Australia.

997
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: You're sharing the love and the wisdom. How do people

998
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: find you and connect with you? And can you just

999
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: direct people where you'd like them to go.

1000
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: Well, that's where to get something about from me is

1001
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: simply doctor DeMartini dot com. Dr demotini dot com. There's

1002
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: a on there, the website. You could you could probably

1003
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: spend the rest of your life on there because there's

1004
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: so much on there. But just doctor demartinia dot com.

1005
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: They can find out what I'm doing, where I'm doing.

1006
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: That's the easiest way, probably perfect.

1007
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: We'll put all of that in our show notes everyone,

1008
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: so you can. You can find the dock there. We'll

1009
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: say goodbye af Fair, but thank you so much for

1010
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: being on the new project. We appreciate you and your

1011
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: wisdom and your your generosity. It is great to see

1012
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: you again. Yes, thank you, Craig anytime.

1013
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: Thank you,