WEBVTT - Sharri | 16 June 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.720 Why on Sky News This is. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.600 Shari Good Evening. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.320 Full coverage tonight on Israel's war with Iran as it 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.280 enters its fourth day. Former Commander Richard Kemp will join 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.040 me live from Israel after an American embassy was damaged 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.800 in Iranian strike. Will this draw the United States into 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.720 the war? Plus Benjaminette and Yahoo claims that Iran tried 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.840 to assassinate a President Donald Trump twice, and leading Israeli 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.879 Tvanka Litaloshamesh will be here in studio to discuss how 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:41.800 Iran is deliberately targeting civilian families, appoint the international community 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.200 has been silent on. Also on the show, Ray Hadley 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.760 joins me on whether he thinks the coalition should abandon 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:54.040 Net zero. But first residential buildings in the heart of 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.640 Tel Aviv were hit today and over the weekend in 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.360 other parts of Israel, with families bearing the brunt of 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:07.080 the Islamic Republic of Iran's retaliation. Israelis have never experienced 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.959 this before, major missiles from Iran, the volume so great 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:13.360 that the Iron Dome. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.919 Has been unable to handle the onslaught. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.840 Israelis are famously resilient, but they're usually confident in the 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.280 knowledge their air defense systems will protect them. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.760 But we've seen the Iron Dome and other systems. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:35.480 Simply can't intercept hundreds of incoming attacks simultaneously. Now, Israel 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.440 is trying to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities on behalf of 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:44.080 the entire world, and it's Israeli families who are paying 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.960 the price. And there's hardly enough gratitude from international leaders 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:53.480 towards Israelis for this. CNN is reporting that so far, 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.320 twenty four lives have been lost and more than five 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.720 hundred and ninety two people injured in Israel. One father 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.080 told of how he couldn't get his family to safety 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:09.360 in time when the missile hit their property on Saturday night, 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:15.079 his daughters and wife dying. A young mother's baby dropped 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.760 from her arms in the bomb blast. Thankfully, the tiny 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.200 bub is now okay. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:34.560 Shown you know, do not get the fly Maya die 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:49.520 o GOODSONI Pijama and. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.840 Three children, an eight year old girl, a ten year 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.080 old boy, and an eighteen year old boy were killed 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.880 in a separate Iranian missile attack. It's understood these children 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.800 were Ukrainians who escaped the war in their hometown, only 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:12.880 to be killed in another war. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.840 Their little bodies are being sent. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.440 Back home to Ukraine now several times a day, even 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:24.000 in the middle of the night. Parents are waking and 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.760 bundling their children up and rushing them to the safe room. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.000 Israelis are in a state of. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:37.000 Lockdown, with disrupted sleep, panic, destruction and death. Iran's onslaught 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:41.360 is having a devastating impact on civilians, and we have 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.480 to remember that this is a fight Israeli is having 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.120 on behalf of all of us. They are paying with 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.760 their lives and that of their loved ones. And as 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.520 tough as it is, they acknowledge that it's essential to 0:03:55.560 --> 0:04:00.360 tackle Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile threat because as Israeli 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:04.640 Prime Minister Benjroinettiyah who said, if this isn't done, there 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:09.280 won't be a next generation. Now, there've been conflicting reports 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:14.280 about where exactly Iran was up to in its nuclear development. Well, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:19.400 Netanyahu today revealed that the Islamic Republic had developed in our. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.400 Uranium for nine bombs. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.000 He said Iran was working on a secret plan to 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.160 weaponize the uranium and they were going to achieve a 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.680 test device and possibly a real device in. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.360 As little as a few months. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.120 He said he finally took action against Iran at. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.679 What he described as the twelfth hour. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.320 I think we have excellent intel in Iran. I think 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.000 we've proven that, and that is something that we couldn't 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.840 possibly accept, whether it would be six months or twelve 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.000 months or thirteen months as immateial. Once they go that route, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.400 it's too late and we will not have a second Holocaust, 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.520 a nuclear holocaust. We already have one in the previous century. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.280 The Jewish state is not going to have the Holocaust 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.320 made it on the Jewish people. It's not going to happen. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.279 But this isn't just about Jews in Israel. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.480 The weapons Iran is developing, both nuclear and ballistic, are 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:19.279 a threat to Europe, the United States, even Australia. Iran 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.840 is on a mission to make atomic bombs, and it's 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.040 also ramping up production of its ballistic missile arsenal, building 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:30.280 three thousand, six hundred new weapons a year. And Nettaya, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.360 who told Brett Bayer at Fox News that that's ten 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:38.799 thousand new ballistic missiles in three years, each waighing a ton, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.359 and that it'd be twenty thousand in six years, he 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.000 rightly said that no country could survive. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:50.000 That our brief pilots are over the skies of Tehran 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.279 and we're targeting military sides, nuclear sides. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.760 That's what we're doing to take out those two threats. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.920 Unlike the Iranians, who were a reporter said correctly, they're 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.640 targeting our civilian Yeah, they're bombing our civillians. So that's 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.520 a difference. They're a terrorist regime. We can't have Iran 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.799 have nuclear weapons. And by the way, our intel shows 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.640 that they intend to give these nuclear weapons to their 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.400 Huti proxies and others, and that's nuclear terrorism on a 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.039 global scale. It threatens everyone. And the last thing is 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.560 they have plans to develop intercontinental ballistic missiles right now 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.760 eight thousand kilometers very soon, just at a little distance, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.400 and they can reach the eastern seaboard of the United States. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.240 And he said, the world's most dangerous regime can't have 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.760 the world's most dangerous weapons. This is why Israel's operation 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.640 in Iran can't only be a campaign of delay. It 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.200 can't simply set around back a number of years on 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:52.200 its quest to build a nuclear weapon. Israel needs to 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.440 entirely destroy the nuclear sites, and to do this it 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:02.880 needs America's involvement, and right now, Erica is helping defend Israel, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.280 but it's not yet attacking Iran. And I'm just going 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.960 to repeat that because it's a really important point. America 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.160 is helping, but it's helping Israel defend itself. It's not 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:18.160 yet directly attacking Iran. It's a crucial distinction. Now, Trump 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.120 gave the green light to net and Yahoo for the 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.000 nuclear strikes, and it's been a discussion the pair have 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:29.000 been having for years. Right now, American pilots are helping 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.640 to shoot down drones headed for Israel. There's also the 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.280 third missile batteries that are helping to defend Tel Aviv, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:37.280 and there's. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.800 Critical intelligence sharing. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.000 But several US officials have warned Iran not to attack 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.160 its officials or its embassies in the region, and they 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:47.080 warn that if. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.400 Iran does that, America will intervene. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.040 Well tonight, US Ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee has confirmed 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.840 that an Iranian missile has caused what he says is 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.920 minor damage to the US embassy and Tel Aviv. So 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.160 the question remains whether Trump will directly help. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.480 Israel to finish the job. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:15.400 Now, Trump indicated he was considering getting involved, although his 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.000 later comments were less encouraging. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:19.880 Well, I hope there's going. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:20.440 To be a deal. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.120 I think that's time for a deal, and we'll see 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:23.760 what happens. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.680 But sometimes they have to fight it out. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.880 But we're going to see what happens. I think there's 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.240 a good chance you'll be a deal. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.160 I think Trump needs to be encouraged in the strongest 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:39.600 possible terms to seize this once in a lifetime opportunity 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:45.760 to destroy Iran's nuclear program and eliminate this grave threat 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.840 to America and the West. It would also give Iranians 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.120 the chance to reclaim their country from the Islamist extremist 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.640 regime that has implemented a cruel reign of terror and 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.640 impose Sharia law across the nation. Now, as I said, 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.600 this is a once in a lifetime opportunity and Trump 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.840 shouldn't miss it. Netanyahu has done ninety percent of the 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.120 heavy lifting, but the US needs to step in with 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.320 the more powerful weapons and destroy the secret nuclear and 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:23.040 military sites that are almost impenetrable. They're deep underground or 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.960 within mountains. Now, the Wall Street Journal has been making 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.320 this case extremely persuasively in a series of editorials, I 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.400 recommend you read them, and the Wall Street Journal editorial 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.559 board says that a neutral US means a longer war. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.439 They say, the biggest question about the air and sabotage 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.760 campaign is how much of Iran's nuclear program Israel will 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.000 be able to destroy. The US has the bombers to 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.000 carry deep penetrating. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.319 Bombs that Israeli jets can't. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.680 This will be a missed opportunity if some of Iran's 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:02.440 uranium enrichment capacity survives, when U participation could have made 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:07.760 a difference, and it's a message influential entrepreneur and investor 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.360 Bill Ackman repeats, he urges we should not less let 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.119 this opportunity pass. But Israel does not have the equipment 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.080 and ornaments to complete the job we do, and it. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.480 Does not require boots on the ground. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.640 The war Israel has been fighting has been on behalf 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.120 of all of us. Let's help them finish the job. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.880 And Lindsey Graham is also publicly urging Trump to help, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.520 saying that if a deal can't be done, then America, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.400 the greatest power for good on Earth, should be all 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.520 in to help Israel finish the job. Now Trump is 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.839 aware that he's getting a nickname Taco, which stands for 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.360 Trump always chickens out. He talks a big game, but 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.160 when it comes to taking action, he hasn't been as forthcoming. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.280 Perhaps he's being influenced by the isolationists in the MAGA 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:08.400 movement like Pulsi Gabbard, jd Vance, and Tucker Carlson. Or 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.920 it would be a shocking outcome if Iran continues to 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:17.640 develop an atomic bomb because of these narrow minded individuals 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.240 who pander to a racist audience. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.640 The point is that right now the United. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.800 States is leaving it up to the only Jewish nation 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:32.040 in the world, a comparatively tiny country, to defend all 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:38.000 of democracy. Yet gratitude from international leadership has been thin. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:38.520 On the ground. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.439 I've barely heard a word of thanks, on any meaningful 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:48.360 recognition at the price Israelis are paying. Israel is single 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.560 handedly saving the world from Iran's buildup of lethal weapons 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.600 capable of mass destruction. And when I say Israel is 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.719 saving the world, I mean the brave young Israeli men 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.680 and women who are fighting this war. It's the young 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:09.000 generation of mostly Jews who are saving the world. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:09.520 Or trying to. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.200 Some are embedded deep undercover in Tehran, some are flying 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:20.000 planes over enemy territory. They're all taking grave risks and 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:26.079 putting their lives on the line in defense of Western civilization. Meanwhile, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:31.680 international leaders like Kiirs, Stamer, Anthony Albanezi, Penny Wang and 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:38.000 others can't bring themselves to say thank you. Natiyahoo today 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:44.199 referenced Winston Churchill's warning of the slumber of democracies, and 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:49.600 it's true. The British Prime minister who defeated Nazi Germany 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.960 often spoke of the dangers of democratic complacency in the 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:58.720 face of totalitarianism. And this is precisely what we're seeing 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:05.079 left leaning in different politicians who are sleep walking, unarmed 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.320 and unprepared toward a future where our enemies are heavily 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:15.560 militarized and intent on our destruction. Israel's ambassador to Australia, 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.680 Emir Maimon, put Penny Wang and her like minded in 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.760 their place when he said that Iran isn't hiding its intent, 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:29.520 it declares it, he said, Yet some still urge diplomacy 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.160 as if words can stop warheads. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.240 He says, this is how the conflict began. 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:41.480 Israel cannot afford the illusion that existential threats are empty 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:47.680 words well said, and furthermore, Pennywog and others are calling 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.080 on both sides to show restraint, as if there's any 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.240 equivalence between an evil terror regime and a democracy searching 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.000 for peace, and she fails to acknowledge that only one. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:00.720 Side is targeting civilians. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.319 It's another example of double standards at play when Israel 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:10.079 is involved and Israel, as you know, is only going 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:15.200 after surgical targeted strikes on nuclear and military sites to 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:21.119 try and neutralize an existential threat, while Iran is showering 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:26.360 missiles down on innocent families. It's a simple statement of 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.760 fact to say that the young Israelis fighting Iran right 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:35.040 now have more courage and bravery in their bones than 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.880 leaders like Albanisi and Kiir Starmer and Penny Wong will 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.480 ever have. The young Israelis are coming face to face 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.960 with an enemy that's only theoretical for the weak need 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:50.440 leaders of the West. The Israelis are risking their lives 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.240 for all of us, and they're on the right side 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.760 of history. Let's hope the world wakes up and gives 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.240 Israel the arsenal it needs to win, because Israel is 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.880 fighting for a future that we can all. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.280 Agree on one of peace. That's all. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:13.120 Israelis want to live in peace and security without its 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.360 neighbors trying to destroy it and that. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.960 Shouldn't be too much to ask. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.000 Okay, And as I say, we've got Richard Kemp coming 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.000 up shortly, Littel schamesh coming up later, but right now, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.400 let's bring in our Monday panel Sky News host Steve 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.880 Price and Joe Hildebrand evening. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.560 Steve, I mean you look at these international leaders. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.560 They can't distinguish between a rogue, evil regime that funds terrorism, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.040 that was behind the October seven attacks to begin with, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.840 and a democracy. Do you think in Australia this is 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:55.360 all about the politics of Western Sydney and afar left ideology. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.080 I think that's where it started. I mean we saw 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.280 that during the lead up to the election campaign, didn't 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.880 we with the seats in Southwest Sydney, in particular that 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.760 a Labor Cabinet minister's hole Tony Burke and others Chris Bowen, 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.000 and they did not want to upset their constituency. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.320 But the time for that's gone now. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.200 I mean, I think what you've said at the start 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:21.320 of the show is outstanding and you just wonder, don't you. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:25.200 You know, when Anthony ALBANIZI wanders in to this one 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.560 on one meeting with Donald Trump, and Donald Trump asks 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.880 him what he makes of the Israeli action to get 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.480 rid of Iran's capability to build a nuclear weapon, what's 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:36.880 Anthony alban is he going to say? 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:37.520 Is he going to say? 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.600 Well, as my Foreign Minister Penny Wong has been saying, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.960 this is all about diplomacy. We need to get the 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.520 diplomats talking to each other to try and stop what's 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.960 going on. Well, it's the time for that has passed. Sadly, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.280 it's past. And as you point out, the response from Iran, 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.840 it's just showering rockets down on Tel Aviv, whereas the 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.840 Israelis have gone in there with precise bombs, taking out 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.639 these weapons manufacturing plants. Plus we should never forget taking 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.840 out the leaders of their military, the nuclear scientists, the generals, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.840 the people running the Islamic Guard. I mean, Israel is 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.560 the best at doing this of anyone in the world. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.159 And you know, no matter what you think of Benjamin 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.600 nittn Yah, the bloke's got the guts to carry out 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.600 what he knows has to be done exactly and. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.800 By the way, I think he's a brilliant and courageous 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.000 leader who and I just feel like I have to 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:28.960 say that because all. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.400 You ever hear is criticism of him. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.800 I mean, he is prepared to have the courage to 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.760 defend his people and strike Iran. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:35.440 Joe. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.520 I think it's getting to the point where the Albanizi 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.880 government can't actually acknowledge that Israel ever does anything right. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.879 I think what you're saying is them just trying to 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.480 be diplomatic and sort of making these motherhood statements, you know, 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.600 urging restraint, which I know gets a lot of people's 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.760 back up. And I think you're absolutely right when you 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.080 say that it's one thing for everyone to urge restraint 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.280 when you're not the one who has the nuclear warhead 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:58.880 pointed directly at you. 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.479 When you know when it's a question of that's right, well, 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:03.200 perhaps we will. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.040 But I suppose when you know that, if you know 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.159 the hypothetical question or the academic question of whether or 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:16.200 not Iran has nuclear weapons capability, that moment you find 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.399 that out is when there is a nuclear warhead headed 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.280 straight for Tel Aviv and Jerusalem that wipes Israel off 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.560 the face of the map, and so I think the 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.320 rest of the world needs to understand that that is 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.080 how Israel's seeing it and is acting on that basis, 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.159 and I think it is absolutely right to act on 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.560 that basis. The other thing I think is that the 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.959 Iranian leadership is in a whole world of trouble at 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.000 the moment. I think I was listening to an Israeli 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:47.959 commentator saying just the other day that actually Israel and 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.760 Iran have a common enemy, the Iranian government. The Iranian 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:56.639 people despise the regime. I remember seeing a bumper sticker 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.760 just after the nineteen seventy nine revolution in my home 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.120 in moments said Ayatola as a whole, and I think 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.879 that that actually still sums up the mood on the ground. 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.880 I know Iranians fat to flee from the previous Green Revolution, 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:12.520 and again we need to say it doesn't really matter 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.280 what the Australian government says or does. What matters is 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:19.040 what Donald Trump and the Americans say and do. And 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:23.200 if Israel needs more military capability to finish the job, 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.840 than I think the Americans should give it to them, 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.560 whether they do it covertly or openly or not very good. 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.600 Well, the problem is the Australian government saying nothing. I 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:36.840 mean they're not saying anything, Joe. Where are they around 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.919 talking about diplomacy? I mean, for goodness sake, I mean 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.879 I have to have the courage to stand up and 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.919 be honest about it. It is embarrassing we look weak. 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.879 And Donald Trump's going to look at Alban Easy on 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.360 Wednesday morning and whenever it is our time, and he's 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.560 going to see a weak man. I mean, you can't 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.879 back away from what they've been saying, Joe. They're not 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:56.680 strong enough. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:57.880 No, exactly any nose. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.479 He's a weak matter warheads, not words. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.439 As the Israeli Foreign minister said, is what's important. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.119 He did it, so my good friend and Mia all 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.200 right well. Alban Easy held a press conference with the 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.879 Amazon Web Services chief executive Matt Garman on the weekend, 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.760 and Jeff Chambers from the Australian asked the Amazon boss 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.080 about nuclear energy. But what's extraordinary is that the Prime 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.920 Minister try to stop him asking the question. 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:27.560 Have a look, is nuclear in addition to renewables something 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.560 that will be needed to ensure that humanity can get 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:32.600 to those next levels? 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.480 I think to be fair, Jeff asking the US CEO 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.520 about domestic. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:41.200 Energy policies. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.000 It's about data. 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:50.040 I'm okay, look, I think you know definitely, the explosion 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.480 of AI requires a lot of power, and so that's 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.200 one of the things we're thinking about. I think here 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.919 in the United States we see nuclear as part of 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:58.760 that portfolio. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.119 I mean, this is extraordinary, Steve, because now the Prime 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.720 minister's against free speech, trying to shut down questions. 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.119 Well, what he didn't want to have, obviously, was a 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.520 debate about the amount of energy you need to run 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.880 those massive data centers. And anyone who's followed this at 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.080 all knows that if you're going to be able to 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.359 world leader in terms of AI, you need these massive 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.320 data centers, and we don't have the energy to run them. 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.080 And if we're going to go net zero and rely 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.840 on wind turbines and solar panels for our power, we're 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:34.719 never going to be able to do that. And you know, 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.520 the bloke from Amazon could have quite rightly have said 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.840 right there, well, we do need nuclear to run the 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.040 sort of energy projects that we want to run. But 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:48.040 Anthony Albaneze, he's red lights went off, sien started going 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.480 off around the room, and he just tried to shut 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.200 the journo up and hope that the conversation would go 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:54.840 in another direction. 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.159 And luckily the Amazon boss still said what he thought, 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.560 irrespective of whether Abnezy would like the answer. But Joe, 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.520 there's also been criticism about labor awarding public contracts to Amazon, 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:07.520 and we've read in the paper today that there's a 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:11.240 number of labor and peas even ministers who've raised concerns 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:11.600 about this. 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:12.160 Yeah. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.520 Absolutely, and sound MPs as well. So sensible MPs like 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:19.040 Tony Sheldon, who is a former National secretary of the 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.600 Transport Workers Union and Deb O'Neill, who is a very 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:27.000 wise woman who is a very strongly connected with the shoppies. 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.600 The shop distributed of an Allied employees union and that's 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.240 no coincidence. So you've got transport workers and warehouse workers basically, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.600 and they have been copying a really rough time from Amazon. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.720 There've been a lot of complaints. They've been claimed that 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:42.000 they are managed with an interest for their lives. Absolutely 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.760 everything they do is timed as their work practices are 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.880 run by an algorithm to make sure that they're constantly working. 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.680 They describe having to always be walking or even sort 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.280 of trotting jogging. 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:55.280 Around the warehouse. 0:22:56.400 --> 0:23:00.920 Some said they don't have time for toilet breaks. They're 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.679 all casual workers, and of course unions hate that and 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.040 because that there's a lot of there's no security in 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.119 that kind of work, and so that the employees are 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.320 often scared that if they comply and I'll speak up, 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:12.560 they just don't get the next shift. 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:13.440 Shame. 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.800 Same as this new Amazon app that the drivers use 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.879 where it's basically like Uber, so it's just you driving 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.600 around in your own car and if you've got a 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.280 few spare minutes, you become an Amazon driver for an 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.240 hour and a half. Yeah, this is a new thing. 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.520 So they're upset about that as well. So that is 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.760 what their complaints are. I'm an Amazon user, I buy 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:32.879 stuff from Amazon, and of course all of this is 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.480 so they can get you that package the next day 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.840 as they promise, and they brag about yeah, that's right, 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:40.680 so that this and they say they brag about being 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.680 totally cussomer focused, but that does come at the expense 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.640 of really punishing their workers. That's why the Labyrinth piece 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:47.080 are upset. 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.240 I mean, we've been criticizing the Prime Minister tonight and 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:51.920