Speaker 1: I'll get our team.
Speaker 2: It's it's doctor Cam, It's Doctor Tiff, and it's Fatty Harps,
Speaker 2: It's Jumbo, It's Craig Anthony Harper from fucking La Trovlli,
Speaker 2: originally from the thriving metropolis of Ballarat.
Speaker 1: Did you know that, Tiff? Did you know? I was
Speaker 1: born in Ballarat?
Speaker 3: I actually did not.
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2: I was one of many spent a whopping two years there,
Speaker 2: so the memories are limited, but shout out to all
Speaker 2: my homies in Ballarat. I've spent one, yeah, one thirtieth
Speaker 2: of my life there.
Speaker 1: So and I went up there the other day and
Speaker 1: did a little bit of a gig.
Speaker 2: At the RACV gold Fields and a truck threw up
Speaker 2: a rock on the window of my new vehicle and
Speaker 2: fucked up my screen. But anyway, it did not it
Speaker 2: did not feel like home, but it felt nice.
Speaker 1: It's a nice part of the world, I reckon. I
Speaker 1: like the country.
Speaker 3: I like country places, getting out of the hustle and bustle.
Speaker 1: Well I grew up.
Speaker 2: I grew up around cows and shit, so literally shit
Speaker 2: and paddocks and forests and Australian paper.
Speaker 1: Mill and all of those.
Speaker 2: Did you grow up in the rural confines or more
Speaker 2: in the urban environment, Doctor cam.
Speaker 3: I was not too far from Baleratte. Considering all things,
Speaker 3: I was in gunder Guy. Okay, so yeah, the only thing,
Speaker 3: the only memory I have of Balarat is Sovereign Hill,
Speaker 3: which is where you go gold mining and amazing stuff.
Speaker 3: But a gunder guy has a thriving population. I was
Speaker 3: gonna say metabolism of twenty four hundred people, and that
Speaker 3: number has not changed in my forty years of life.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's the actual number or they just
Speaker 2: haven't updated it because Jan's been busy.
Speaker 3: That's true. Actually I'm working on zero data, but I
Speaker 3: just feel like it hasn't grown at all. A guy,
Speaker 3: I've never thought to question the data. That's so interesting.
Speaker 3: It's just a bit if it hasn't changed.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what was a good story, the one
Speaker 2: that you told us off air about what you're doing
Speaker 2: last night.
Speaker 1: But we'll keep that off air. You're very welcome.
Speaker 2: He was working, he was studying, he was researching everyone,
Speaker 2: that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's all good, that's all good. What goes
Speaker 1: on in Vegas stays in Vegas. Pre show is known
Speaker 1: as Vegas. How have you been? What's new?
Speaker 2: Tell me about firstly, maybe we should do this. We
Speaker 2: haven't done it for a while, but we're constantly getting
Speaker 2: a turnover of listeners and new listeners coming in. So
Speaker 2: for the people who have never met you, give them
Speaker 2: a quick however long you want snapshot of your work,
Speaker 2: your organization and what you do. Because I want to
Speaker 2: dive in a little bit into a few things today
Speaker 2: relevant to that.
Speaker 1: So he SETI no pressure, go very good.
Speaker 3: Grew up in gunder Guy and my dad was a dentist.
Speaker 1: What's a population in gunder Guy.
Speaker 3: About twenty four hundred give or takes checking give will
Speaker 3: take zero coli. So me and the other twenty three
Speaker 3: hundred nine people we spent a good. Mum was known
Speaker 3: as the pink Witch at home because she was She
Speaker 3: owned the healing center in Gundergo. We had all of
Speaker 3: the healers from various places come through and she would
Speaker 3: facilitate clients for them. And then dad was the local dentist,
Speaker 3: had a really really great dental practice, does a whole
Speaker 3: lot with byte structure and saw some amazing anyway, it
Speaker 3: did some really cool stuff, sort of a bit left
Speaker 3: of field dentistry and anyway, long story short, ended up
Speaker 3: doing X FIZZ and dietetics, exos physiology and dietetics. Wanted
Speaker 3: to save the world and fixed diabetes. By the end
Speaker 3: of exos physiology, thought I could do that with dietetics
Speaker 3: as well nutrition. Went into a PhD looking at both
Speaker 3: and how we could reduce breast cancer like poor breast
Speaker 3: cancer outcomes with a Mega three excite. That was interesting
Speaker 3: and what I found from that this is where things
Speaker 3: really change. Because I was working in private practice at
Speaker 3: the same time, and I was I'd have people coming
Speaker 3: in and I'd saying, I'm going to reverse your diabetes.
Speaker 3: That's what I was telling all of the gps that
Speaker 3: I was working, I'm going to reverse their diabetes. And
Speaker 3: some people, genuinely, I would see dramatic shifts in their
Speaker 3: blood sugar levels, and other people I would see no change.
Speaker 3: And I would be thinking, well, you're lying to me,
Speaker 3: You're not doing it properly, you're not telling me the
Speaker 3: truth about your diet history and your exercise. There's got
Speaker 3: to be a problem with you. And after a couple
Speaker 3: of years of the most dedicated client I ever had,
Speaker 3: where I threw everything that I could at her and
Speaker 3: no change, like she lost negative one centimeter on her
Speaker 3: waist after two years. I was thinking what is wrong
Speaker 3: with me rather than what's wrong with you and your adherents.
Speaker 3: So I started looking at personalization. At the same time,
Speaker 3: I was doing my PhD, and I was looking at
Speaker 3: different bodies and how they respond to X and OMEGA three.
Speaker 3: And as it turns out, there was a cluster of
Speaker 3: two or three people in my trial that just got
Speaker 3: the best results ever. And they were like Tiff, so
Speaker 3: they were sure athletic, amazing, just general superstars, and they
Speaker 3: just saw this most incredible change. And then the majority
Speaker 3: of my study population was not designed for the intervention
Speaker 3: that I was running. I was asking them to do
Speaker 3: five meals per day and different types of exercise training
Speaker 3: that didn't really suit them, and AMEGA three wasn't as
Speaker 3: big a deal for them as far as their need
Speaker 3: their micronutrientl or macro micro macro nutrient needs. So I
Speaker 3: started questioning, I can't just be giving everyone the same advice,
Speaker 3: and so I started looking into personalization. I started looking
Speaker 3: at genetics. I found you know, they were about six
Speaker 3: years into their data collection at this point, an organization
Speaker 3: called Shay Group, but they had zero health professionals practicing
Speaker 3: with it outside of the pilot group over in Europe.
Speaker 3: But they collected ten thousand individuals and followed them for
Speaker 3: five years with this really hyper specific data collection of
Speaker 3: we're going to measure every nook and cranny of this person,
Speaker 3: and then we're going to see what happens to them
Speaker 3: over five years, and we're going to start doing something
Speaker 3: with that data. Where now at three million human years
Speaker 3: of data with this very very bespoke data set, as
Speaker 3: it's grown into hundreds of thousands of individuals, and the
Speaker 3: whole idea is, we want to eliminate chronic disease and
Speaker 3: pain by the year twenty fifty. And the only way
Speaker 3: that you can do that is by having every person understood.
Speaker 3: You can't give running to everybody because fifteen percent of
Speaker 3: people get less fit when they run, and no one
Speaker 3: talks about these statistics. Twenty percent of people will lose
Speaker 3: muscle when they do resistance training in a randomized control trial,
Speaker 3: you see these non responders. You'd send people out for walks.
Speaker 3: Thirty eight percent of people don't get any benefit from
Speaker 3: the walking, but sixty two do, so you can't just
Speaker 3: give everybody the same intervention. Mediterranean diet doesn't work for everyone,
Speaker 3: Paleo diets doesn't work for everybody. And your environment affects
Speaker 3: your health, Your social life affects your health, The way
Speaker 3: that you put your brain to work affects your health.
Speaker 3: And so they quantified and measured all of these different
Speaker 3: things about what actually drives difference for your body and
Speaker 3: what's the ultimate environment that you need. And now we've
Speaker 3: got fifteen to twenty years of research under our belt
Speaker 3: of this incredibly complex data set, we've layered it all
Speaker 3: in with the evidence space so that each thing that
Speaker 3: we're looking at has evidence space sitting behind it, and
Speaker 3: then AI kind of brings it to life. We've been
Speaker 3: doing AI since twenty eleven, and the whole idea is
Speaker 3: we want the right information to hit the right person
Speaker 3: at the right time. And I've in my practice, I've
Speaker 3: seen reversal of diabetes, reversal of cardiovascular disease, MS Parkinson's,
Speaker 3: like some really really things using a combination of all
Speaker 3: the things that we do in the organization. And now
Speaker 3: we're applying that to health professionals training them, and that
Speaker 3: to be part of my job is trained health professionals
Speaker 3: running corporate well being programs where the individuals actually looked
Speaker 3: at and provided support for. Same with schools and understanding
Speaker 3: different types of learners and how that your behavior and
Speaker 3: your learning style is actually driven from your genetics and
Speaker 3: your biology, and that can help you understand things like
Speaker 3: neurodivergence and a whole lot of different things things. So
Speaker 3: we wanted to find the individual, and we want to
Speaker 3: treat the individual and bring them to their happiest place.
Speaker 3: So it's been a two decade effort and I feel
Speaker 3: like I've definitely found my life's purpose in it all.
Speaker 1: So not much. So you haven't been doing much.
Speaker 3: They've been doing a lot. I just appear on podcasts
Speaker 3: and don't do much, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just don't know you want to? You just sworn
Speaker 1: around like the pretty boy spokesperson. That's what you do.
Speaker 3: That they're looking for someone pretty day, to be honest,
Speaker 3: this is all you are, very very pretty.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
Speaker 2: It's it's very much at odds with the typical model,
Speaker 2: isn't it The traditional model of you know, five blokes
Speaker 2: go in with high blood pressure and they all kind
Speaker 2: of kind of are about the same height and weight
Speaker 2: and symptoms, and so we give them all the same
Speaker 2: medication at the same dose. And it works for one great,
Speaker 2: it works kind of for another one, it totally doesn't
Speaker 2: work for two, and who knows about the last one.
Speaker 2: But I mean it is I think people don't realize
Speaker 2: how much prescribing medication, prescribing nutrition, prescribing education, sorry exercise,
Speaker 2: even prescribing education.
Speaker 1: But prescribing all of these things is in many ways.
Speaker 2: High level guessing, you know, because it depends on how
Speaker 2: much you know about the individual. But I know if
Speaker 2: I book in with a GP today, and this is
Speaker 2: not a refle election on the ethics or morality of
Speaker 2: any GPS, but more a reflection.
Speaker 1: Of the busyness and the demand and the system.
Speaker 2: But if I book in and I go and see
Speaker 2: a GP who's never met me, he or she will
Speaker 2: ask me a bunch of questions. They'll quickly fill out
Speaker 2: some shit while I'm sitting with them. They probably won't
Speaker 2: look at me much because they're filling out so much stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'll go, I've got high blood pressure. I think
Speaker 2: they'll check my blood pressure, go yep. Then I'll go
Speaker 2: I'm a bit short of breath and I've got all
Speaker 2: this and then they'll prescribe something and I'll be in
Speaker 2: and out in about twelve to fifteen minutes. And then
Speaker 2: that medication could be a ten out of ten for me,
Speaker 2: it could be a two out of ten for me,
Speaker 2: or it could be a five. And so there's this
Speaker 2: the way that our individual physiology interacts with all of
Speaker 2: these different things that we do too or for our body.
Speaker 2: But that's you know, that's not really spoken about a
Speaker 2: lot in mainstream medicine. And even you know, like even
Speaker 2: the idea of I'll shut up.
Speaker 3: Go on, I don't know, I agree.
Speaker 2: I was even going to say with things like group training,
Speaker 2: like I love group training, but when you've got thirty
Speaker 2: people doing basically the same workout in the same room
Speaker 2: on the same equipment, there's going to be various levels
Speaker 2: or varying levels of benefit, and of course the other variabilities.
Speaker 2: People can manipulate their own intensity within that set structure.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, that's why I.
Speaker 2: Guess part of what you do, even what Tiff does,
Speaker 2: what I do, is trying to teach people to understand
Speaker 2: how they work individually, and you know, like like what
Speaker 2: does your body tell you when you sleep this way,
Speaker 2: or when you move that way, or when you eat
Speaker 2: that way, or you drink that or you don't drink that,
Speaker 2: or you know what happens when you have booze? What
Speaker 2: happens when you don't have booze? Because our body is
Speaker 2: trying to teach us, I guess, and I've.
Speaker 3: Got some fun little statistics on that. Like, probably the
Speaker 3: most widely prescribed medication for diabetes is met forman, which
Speaker 3: is a great jug for doing. What it does is
Speaker 3: it is effective in sixty percent of people. That's a
Speaker 3: really big percentage of people that don't get a big
Speaker 3: improvement in their blood sugar levels. But it also says
Speaker 3: there's a lot more to it. The same thing. You
Speaker 3: can literally strap people to a bed and inject them
Speaker 3: with blood pressure medication and still one in eight people
Speaker 3: will not change their blood pressure. This is where it's
Speaker 3: not even a matter of do I take the drug
Speaker 3: or not. People's bodies just respond. Why we have blood pressure.
Speaker 3: For example, one person, it could be their nervous system
Speaker 3: that's just on and driving a sympathetic response throughout their body.
Speaker 3: Another person, we know there's individuals with actually skinnier archrees
Speaker 3: and so the pressure in those arteries is higher and
Speaker 3: that naturally creates a blood pressure, whereas somebody else who
Speaker 3: gets forgotten altogether the way that their arteries are, they
Speaker 3: get low blood pressure and they go great, you're fantastic.
Speaker 3: As I know, this is diabolical because this can be
Speaker 3: really bad at the other end as well, And so
Speaker 3: we forget about the range first and then we look
Speaker 3: at There was a really great study looking at at
Speaker 3: systematic review in two twenty nineteen looking at the effectiveness
Speaker 3: of hit training and it's it was thought to be
Speaker 3: the panacea. Yeah, we're going to fix everything with hit training.
Speaker 3: Thirty thirty three percent are likely to get a result,
Speaker 3: thirty four percent are uncertain to get a result, and
Speaker 3: the difference thirty three percent are unlikely to get a
Speaker 3: result with it. So it's literally a third or third
Speaker 3: or third for uh. You look at a cycle class
Speaker 3: and you know who's going to get the benefit. We
Speaker 3: don't know. Everyone feels exhausted and feels like rewarded afterwards.
Speaker 3: But if if you're doing it in the morning, it
Speaker 3: could be that your body doesn't tolerate stress that well
Speaker 3: in the morning and it actually creates a greater stress
Speaker 3: response for the rest of the day, you're completely exhausted
Speaker 3: by lunchtime and you don't recover. I've had c C
Speaker 3: Suite people that I've taken through a bit of a
Speaker 3: program stop training in the morning and get four hours
Speaker 3: of productivity back in their day because they're not exhausted
Speaker 3: from their training. They train in the afternoon and they
Speaker 3: get two to three times the benefit. So that level
Speaker 3: of nuance, the timing, the type of training that still
Speaker 3: applies to foods, and the timing of foods, when you
Speaker 3: should eat your foods, when your biggest meal should be,
Speaker 3: the types of nutrients that you're more likely to need
Speaker 3: right through to you know, we had one individual with
Speaker 3: a very complex case of like nosebleeds, headaches, dizziness, just NonStop,
Speaker 3: and it turned out that the profile actually said you
Speaker 3: should not live it altitude. You need to move down
Speaker 3: to the bottom of the mountain. And she'd been doing
Speaker 3: everything for ten years, seeing every specialist that she gets there,
Speaker 3: and literally she had to remove kale and moved to
Speaker 3: the bottom of the mountain and all of her symptoms
Speaker 3: resolved in two weeks.
Speaker 1: It was just fucking amazing.
Speaker 3: And no one's talking about that stuff. But we all
Speaker 3: know that we go to an environment. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: just feel so good in this place. We will test
Speaker 3: things out, Like someone with rheumatoid arthritis lived in a
Speaker 3: humid environment, sent them to a dry, warm environment for
Speaker 3: their holiday, and then gave them some foods that also
Speaker 3: support with the same sort of process to amplify it.
Speaker 3: Symptoms went away, a rumored to arthritis went home. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the symptoms came back. And so this is when we
Speaker 3: look at disease. We forget, We're forgotten completely about who's
Speaker 3: the person with the disease. Because somebody who needs a
Speaker 3: dry environment that treats them, a person who needs a
Speaker 3: human environment that's going to treat them, a person that
Speaker 3: needs three meals per day that's going to treat them.
Speaker 3: But if they're and so this is where you know,
Speaker 3: Hippocrates said this two and a half thousand years ago,
Speaker 3: and lots of people have said it in different ways.
Speaker 3: There is no such thing as disease. There's a person
Speaker 3: with a disease and if you understand the person, and
Speaker 3: this you know, comes into the nearer divergence here as well.
Speaker 3: If you put a child into an environment that makes
Speaker 3: them happy, they don't have neurodivergent symptoms anymore. In some
Speaker 3: instances they behave really well, they focus really well, but
Speaker 3: you put them into an environment that doesn't match them,
Speaker 3: and their symptoms erupt, and so understand the person then
Speaker 3: we can start to understand the disease process. But it's
Speaker 3: it's been I mean, it's been the best journey for
Speaker 3: the last ten years. And I could talk about it
Speaker 3: for hours, but I'll stop there for the moment.
Speaker 2: Truly, truly, your stuff fascinates me. And I just think,
Speaker 2: and you know, and Tiff knows, like I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't say stuff I don't mean, but I just think
Speaker 2: it's the future. I think it's the way. Is this,
Speaker 2: you know, like personalized medicine, personalized exercise programming on a
Speaker 2: high level, personalized nutrition of course, of course, because it
Speaker 2: just like why wouldn't it, like we people instinctually or
Speaker 2: instinctively I should say no that what works for me
Speaker 2: might not work for you. You know, like someone has a
Speaker 2: handful of almonds, it's a healthy snack.
Speaker 1: Someone else has.
Speaker 2: One armand and they die because they have an anaphylactic
Speaker 2: reaction or something.
Speaker 3: But it was good for their heart, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was going to be good for their heart.
Speaker 2: Here's my little anecdote. So I was in Queensland on
Speaker 2: the weekend Thursday to Saturday night, and I generally only
Speaker 2: eat breakfast and dinner, and I may have a snack
Speaker 2: through the day, but usually like a tub of yogurt
Speaker 2: or forty of the aforementioned almonds without the reaction. But
Speaker 2: you know, either nothing through the day between kind of
Speaker 2: eight and seven or a small snack but definitely not
Speaker 2: a meal.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so Saturday, I was in Surface and Surfers.
Speaker 2: Paradise and I was just I ate an early breakfast
Speaker 2: but not big and it was about three two o'clock
Speaker 2: and I had to present from four to five thirty,
Speaker 2: so I had to talk for an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: Then I had to go to the airport. Then I
Speaker 2: did it, and I thought, well, it's going to be Firstly,
Speaker 2: I don't know what i'll be able to get at
Speaker 2: the airport. I don't know what time that'll be, and
Speaker 2: I was mildly peckish. I thought, you know, i'll go
Speaker 2: and i'll get myself a coffee at seven to eleven,
Speaker 2: which I know is not the high watermark for but
Speaker 2: fuck it, that's what I did, and while I was
Speaker 2: in there, I went, I might grab one of these.
Speaker 2: In hindsight, bad decision. Chicken wraps. I'm like, it's just
Speaker 2: a chicken wrap, like chicken and salad. Can't be bad.
Speaker 2: I didn't read the box anyway, got out, had a bite,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I don't know. I don't know anyway,
Speaker 2: So I ate this wrap. It was only like maybe
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty calories or something, but I don't
Speaker 2: know what the fuck was in that, but it made
Speaker 2: me feel sick until last night, like I just there
Speaker 2: was something where it was margarine, whether it was I
Speaker 2: don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: And it's very unlike me not.
Speaker 2: To be particular, but I just thought, I'm going to
Speaker 2: eat this thing because I'm not going to eat much
Speaker 2: for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: And so that was Saturday.
Speaker 2: Afternoon and yesterday was Tuesday, and it took me until
Speaker 2: about lunchtime Tuesday before whatever that was was.
Speaker 1: Kind of out of my system.
Speaker 2: That sounds disgusting, but I could fear all like my
Speaker 2: body wasn't the same. It was like my body, my
Speaker 2: body was just saying to me, what the fuck did
Speaker 2: you do? Like, what was that because I don't eat
Speaker 2: things like that generally. But it's amazing when you get
Speaker 2: out of because I know exactly what works for my
Speaker 2: body with everything, with food, with sleep, with supplements, with rest,
Speaker 2: with recovery, with socialization, with time alone, with time with people,
Speaker 2: with stress, with calm, with and then I just chuck this.
Speaker 2: And you wouldn't think one little thing could have such
Speaker 2: an impact, but it.
Speaker 3: Can absolutely And it's just even a lot of people
Speaker 3: walk around in their life with a baseline level of earth.
Speaker 3: Most of the time, they don't realize how good they
Speaker 3: can feel like. That's what's and we aren't taught at
Speaker 3: all to investigate the feelings that we're getting as children. Oh,
Speaker 3: how does it feel when you eat that? How does
Speaker 3: it feel when you give that? How does it feel
Speaker 3: when you connect with your mum that way? You know,
Speaker 3: we never ask those questions. People don't get any kind
Speaker 3: of barometer about that, and then you end up sort
Speaker 3: of masking what life could feel like, or masking the
Speaker 3: amount of pain in your body with caffeine and busyness
Speaker 3: and alcohol and whatever it may be. You know the
Speaker 3: number of people that I know that go home and
Speaker 3: just have a glass of wine to take the edge
Speaker 3: off it as opposed to you know, what is actually
Speaker 3: creating the edge, you know, And even that question, I
Speaker 3: just prefer to wake up a little bit more sluggish
Speaker 3: and I'll just have another coffee and then I'll be fine.
Speaker 3: It's we are supported by our society to live like that, caffeinated,
Speaker 3: masking the real signals that are coming from our system.
Speaker 3: The effort to be more mindful is great. But even still,
Speaker 3: and this is probably what the most exciting stuff about
Speaker 3: the work that we do is when you get a symptom,
Speaker 3: we can now say, well, this is why that symptom
Speaker 3: is there. You know, if Tiff goes, oh, I've got
Speaker 3: a bit of a headache or whatever it might be,
Speaker 3: I could say, well, these are the three things that
Speaker 3: are going to be most relevant for tif based off
Speaker 3: what we know about her body as far as headaches
Speaker 3: are concerned. My headaches for a body like Tip, a
Speaker 3: lot of it's actually muscle tension and stretching appropriately actually
Speaker 3: makes a big difference. But for somebody else those headaches
Speaker 3: is because they've eaten their meat too quickly and it's
Speaker 3: digesting poorly, and that's creating a headache. That's the most
Speaker 3: likely reason for example. So it's not just identifying the symptom,
Speaker 3: but then actually being able to navigate to cause. And
Speaker 3: that's what the data and the AI actually allows us
Speaker 3: to do now, is to say I'm feeling like this.
Speaker 3: We actually had an individual she was using the app.
Speaker 3: She had burning tongue or something like that. I'm not
Speaker 3: too familiar with it, went to the doctor and you
Speaker 3: know rightly, so six minute consultation got some nonstroileni in
Speaker 3: flams happy days. She then went home and asked her
Speaker 3: digital twin essentially and said, like, I've got burning mouth
Speaker 3: into well for your body, it's likely related to your
Speaker 3: mental stress, So do this breathing exercise, avoid these three
Speaker 3: foods or whatever it might be. Three days it was resolved.
Speaker 3: It was really fascinating to see if you understand cause
Speaker 3: and you make the right treatment, then all of these
Speaker 3: alternative things actually become very very powerful when they're precise.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this is definitely the thing that we're trying
Speaker 3: to do is raise everybody's knowledge about well, what do
Speaker 3: I actually need to do and then assess how does
Speaker 3: my body feel when I do that? Because that's going
Speaker 3: to be a more true measure.
Speaker 2: I think like reconnecting with our body. I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but my guess is that our ancestors were way more
Speaker 2: integrated with their biology than we are, you know, way
Speaker 2: more aware, way more instinctive and intuitive because I guess
Speaker 2: they didn't have the access to the stuff that we have.
Speaker 2: You know, we can push the dopamine button whenever we want,
Speaker 2: so to speak, but they couldn't do that.
Speaker 3: You know, It's interesting because they only live till thirty,
Speaker 3: So you can do a whole lot of bad stuff
Speaker 3: to your body over thirty years to not really feel it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's because they got a tooth fucking infection and
Speaker 2: they died. Yeah, that's because there was no antibiotics.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, up until that though were brand new. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you. I want to circle back to
Speaker 1: where you were.
Speaker 2: You were talking about how you know, some people run,
Speaker 2: they don't get fitter. Some people if weights, they don't
Speaker 2: get stronger. Explain to me how twenty percent of people
Speaker 2: can lift weights and not get stronger or not build muscle.
Speaker 3: So, muscle growth requires activation of your muscle protein synthetic pathways.
Speaker 3: So and if everyone's fill without the m tour pathways
Speaker 3: and various things like that that requires a stimulus. It
Speaker 3: also requires appropriate nutrition, it also requires good sleep, and
Speaker 3: it also requires a reduction in stress levels, because if
Speaker 3: you're stressed all day long, you'll just be catabolizing muscle.
Speaker 3: So it's this is one of the issues with randomized
Speaker 3: control trials is I want to test this one thing,
Speaker 3: and yes, I'll try and control for all of these
Speaker 3: other things. But there's there's a real development and evolution
Speaker 3: that's coming to the way that we're going to interpret
Speaker 3: research like that. But I won't get into that too
Speaker 3: much unless we unless we do. But so let's say
Speaker 3: that you've got a person and they're a night owl, okay,
Speaker 3: and so night owls are people that not that they
Speaker 3: have to wake up late. But if you stress them
Speaker 3: in the morning, if you give them some sort of
Speaker 3: stress loud pitch, noises, lots of mental activity, physical intensity.
Speaker 3: If you give them a stress in the morning, their
Speaker 3: body goes WTF and it says, my village must be
Speaker 3: burning down. I need to be on high alert now.
Speaker 3: And what we see if you put an individual through
Speaker 3: high intensity training, their cortisole levels will go up and
Speaker 3: they'll stay up for longer. Now, cortisole is one of
Speaker 3: those chemicals that actually contributes to muscle loss. You go
Speaker 3: and find muscle, you break it down, and you turn
Speaker 3: it into fuel so that you can keep going because
Speaker 3: your body goes I'm in stress. I've just got to
Speaker 3: keep going right now. I'm not going to worry about
Speaker 3: anything else. I'm just going to survive. Whereas, if you
Speaker 3: take an early bird and you get them to do
Speaker 3: that same training first thing in the morning, their cortisole
Speaker 3: levels go up and then they return to normal within
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. So what you've got is two people doing
Speaker 3: the same training. They've been given the stimulus, but then
Speaker 3: one person's been exposed to so much more stress hormone
Speaker 3: as a result of that training that they don't get
Speaker 3: to a crue muscle for that period of time. They
Speaker 3: don't get the synthetic response, or at least it's been
Speaker 3: negated somewhat by cortisol. So and then it may disrupt sleep.
Speaker 3: It may reduce their sleep quality because their rhythms now
Speaker 3: out and their cortisol's fluxing all over the place. It
Speaker 3: could disregulate some of their appetite as well. It might
Speaker 3: reduce some of their activity later on in the day,
Speaker 3: because they're now a lot more tired and wiped out
Speaker 3: because they did that training. So there's a whole lot
Speaker 3: of different factors that can come into this that then
Speaker 3: mean that you don't get a net growth of muscle
Speaker 3: over time. But obviously it's multi factorial. But then for
Speaker 3: the early bird, you know, it's like geez, I feel
Speaker 3: so great after that, and they eat well, they sleep well,
Speaker 3: you know, the recovery is better. So you know, it's
Speaker 3: not just the training, obviously, it's all of the systemic
Speaker 3: effects that happen after that training and when that training occurred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting.
Speaker 2: I've the amount of the amount of people that I've
Speaker 2: seen over the years that I've worked with that are
Speaker 2: perplexed by why they're not building muscle, And apart from
Speaker 2: all the things you spoke about, I'm like, well, like
Speaker 2: you're probably expending two and a half thousand calories a
Speaker 2: day and consuming twenty four hundred, so just that you know,
Speaker 2: you can't build muscle because there's no petrol in the tank,
Speaker 2: you know, there's and then as you said, you throw cortisol,
Speaker 2: which is catabolic into the mix, you know, and all that,
Speaker 2: then people start to get stressed around what's not working.
Speaker 2: They kind of throw fuel on the non muscle building fire. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's just such an interesting thing because trying to
Speaker 2: get especially young men and teenage boys and women as well,
Speaker 2: But it seems to me to be more blokes and
Speaker 2: boys to understand that you're not building muscle in the gym.
Speaker 2: You're just creating a stimulus that might lead to that
Speaker 2: if the other things are okay, you know, if you
Speaker 2: get the rest, if you get if you get the recovery,
Speaker 2: if you get the nutrition, if you harmonially are in
Speaker 2: a good place. Yeah, just trying to because all you're
Speaker 2: trying to do in the gym is to stimulate your
Speaker 2: body to respond a certain way.
Speaker 1: Which may or may not depending on the other variables.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, and yes, it's just when you start
Speaker 3: thinking about, like, we do too much of our research
Speaker 3: in like one intervention in isolation, and I know that's
Speaker 3: the scientific method of you know, if we do this
Speaker 3: one thing to one thousand people, what happens. And this
Speaker 3: is a bit of a trap actually for it impedes
Speaker 3: our ability to be personalized because when you say, oh,
Speaker 3: there's a study with a thousand people and on average
Speaker 3: and this was actually this is done in the nine nineties.
Speaker 3: This is what's so crazy about this is this incredible
Speaker 3: guy took five hundred individuals from about one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty different families and he made them do aerobic training,
Speaker 3: so on the bike, forty five minutes being supervised on
Speaker 3: the bike. And what they found is, firstly, your genetics
Speaker 3: determine your baseline VO two, like how fit you are
Speaker 3: is very much based on your VO two on your genetics.
Speaker 3: And secondly is that there were the super responders. In
Speaker 3: every study, there's a super responder, the twenty percent of
Speaker 3: people that just skyrocket their results, and then there's the
Speaker 3: other twenty percent that get a negative result. He showed
Speaker 3: that even people with good training or no training didn't matter.
Speaker 3: There were specific families where they would get no response
Speaker 3: or a negative response from three times a week, forty
Speaker 3: five minutes of cycle training at seventy five percent of
Speaker 3: their max. But it says the study, if you look
Speaker 3: at you know, if you look at this amongst other studies,
Speaker 3: you'd say, on average, everybody improves by this much. And
Speaker 3: it's immediately inaccurate for most people, because some people improved
Speaker 3: twelve hundred. The average was four hundred and some are
Speaker 3: negative five. And that has been repeated that study so
Speaker 3: many times. And then when people try and say, oh,
Speaker 3: non responders to exercise don't actually exist, they're just not
Speaker 3: training hard enough, what they try and do is they
Speaker 3: just bump up the volume so that everyone's doing five
Speaker 3: hours of really intense exercise per week. And what they
Speaker 3: find is that the people that are superresponders don't actually
Speaker 3: respond that much more. They get the same result that
Speaker 3: they got it two and a half hours. And the
Speaker 3: people that didn't respond to two and a half hours
Speaker 3: of this really intense exercise, they get a three percent
Speaker 3: improvement in their fitness and they go, great, see there
Speaker 3: that guy, whereas another person's getting a fifty percent improvement
Speaker 3: in their fitness. So all you've got to say to
Speaker 3: the population now of Australia is, hey, everybody can get
Speaker 3: a result, and you can get a three percent improvement
Speaker 3: if you do five hours at seventy five percent per week.
Speaker 3: You know, we can't even get Australia off the couch
Speaker 3: for the most part, or definitely and there's other countries
Speaker 3: like this too, to say, oh no, you're going to
Speaker 3: get virtually no response after five hours of training. It's
Speaker 3: not about non response, it's about people are different. And
Speaker 3: there was another great study just looking at if you
Speaker 3: give a power athlete power training, they get more powerful
Speaker 3: and they get more aerobically fit. If you give endurance
Speaker 3: genes endurance training, they get more aerobically fit, more endurance,
Speaker 3: and they get more powerful. But if you switch the
Speaker 3: modality and make the think about this. You take a
Speaker 3: high jumper and you make them train the world's strongest man,
Speaker 3: what's going to happen to that high jump? They're going
Speaker 3: to break in half because they're this delicate little string
Speaker 3: bean that's designed for jump really high heights. They aren't
Speaker 3: designed for that kind of strength. But if you train
Speaker 3: them in their strength, in their strength, which is endurance,
Speaker 3: I guess you know high jumpers are quite powerful, but
Speaker 3: let's talk ultra marathon runners or something like that. You see,
Speaker 3: when you align the training with the person, you get
Speaker 3: the response. And that's the same thing with food. Some
Speaker 3: people metabolically need three meals per day and a light dinner.
Speaker 3: You align the fuel intake for that person based off
Speaker 3: their digestive function, and their body starts getting better and
Speaker 3: that might resolve. I've seen sleep, app noir, diabetes, weight problems,
Speaker 3: fluid retention, just by having the right timing of meals.
Speaker 3: But you take another person, they need six meals per day,
Speaker 3: like Tip is a five to six meals per day.
Speaker 3: Give her a snack or she starts hitting screens, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe biting chairs. It might be some people need the
Speaker 3: regular consumption and if you provide that, their mood improves
Speaker 3: and their metabolism improves. But that's same six meal per
Speaker 3: day on the three mil a day person makes them
Speaker 3: more sluggish and hold more weight. So if you give
Speaker 3: the body what it needs, what it's designed to do,
Speaker 3: align the treatment with the person, that's when you see
Speaker 3: the diseases start to improve. And that's that's what we
Speaker 3: don't do. We're working symptom symptoms in rather than person out,
Speaker 3: and that's what needs to change.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting that thing where in research, of course,
Speaker 2: and naturally it has to operate. That why because we
Speaker 2: can't have twenty variables otherwise we don't know what's working
Speaker 2: and not working. But I always say tell people that
Speaker 2: you know, it's like the human systems, it's integrated, like
Speaker 2: it's psychology, it's emotion, it's physiology. It's sociology, it's spirituality
Speaker 2: maybe depending on like, it's this integration of all of
Speaker 2: these things. That's not a standalone single thing. And you know,
Speaker 2: you have a thought and depending on the thought, well,
Speaker 2: there's a physiological consequence to that thought.
Speaker 1: There's you know, you.
Speaker 2: Catch a ball, there's a psychological consequence to catching that ball.
Speaker 2: You lie on the ground with tiflies on the ground
Speaker 2: with our animals, and there's an emotional and a psychological
Speaker 2: benefit to doing that physical thing. Right, all of these
Speaker 2: things are intertwined and interconnected, and trying to understand that,
Speaker 2: you know, for some people think about this like one
Speaker 2: person gives you a hug, and it puts your body
Speaker 2: in a great state. Another person gives you a hug
Speaker 2: puts your body in a stress state. It's the same thing,
Speaker 2: but from a different person. And it's probably not even
Speaker 2: so much about that body touching my body as much
Speaker 2: as it is how I feel about that fucking body
Speaker 2: touching my body. So in other words, I'm actually creating
Speaker 2: this physiological negativity as my interpretation of old mate hugging me,
Speaker 2: who I don't want to hug me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And and.
Speaker 3: What I'm going to say to that is, this is
Speaker 3: where the future of it's going, well, not the future,
Speaker 3: this is where it's at right now. It's just and
Speaker 3: truly with the augmented reality goggles that are coming out everywhere,
Speaker 3: like the glasses that you can wear, it is going
Speaker 3: to completely change the game. And this has been part
Speaker 3: of our roadmap for the last ten years long as
Speaker 3: I've known the organization. Actually we're at the point now
Speaker 3: where it is exactly about all of those things, and
Speaker 3: AI allows us to actually understand all of those things
Speaker 3: in real time about the person. So research is going
Speaker 3: to move from a randomized control trial meta analyses model,
Speaker 3: which is the meta analyses is the average of the averages,
Speaker 3: which is even less specific for the individual. It is like,
Speaker 3: oh no, on average, this works some of the time,
Speaker 3: but not it doesn't anyway, won't get it that The
Speaker 3: future is personalized algorithms, which is, this person has woken
Speaker 3: up at this time, They've had this particular amount of work,
Speaker 3: this type of work in the morning, and that's created
Speaker 3: this heart rate variability for them. And then they had
Speaker 3: a cup of tea, and that cup of tea seemed
Speaker 3: to normalize the heart rate variability. Then they had to
Speaker 3: hang out with John, and John seemed to normalize their
Speaker 3: heart rate variability and help them into a recovery phase.
Speaker 3: Then they had a call from their partner and their
Speaker 3: heart rate variability went wild, and their skin conductance went
Speaker 3: all over the place, and then their fatigue levels, their
Speaker 3: productivity went down, and then they had a bit of
Speaker 3: food here or whatever. It might be, so much so
Speaker 3: that the way health will be really in the next
Speaker 3: five years, definitely the next ten years. It's all about
Speaker 3: standardization of augmented reality goggles. You'll be walking down the
Speaker 3: street it'll say, oh, harps mate, I know that you're
Speaker 3: trying to do your best to recover. You've been in
Speaker 3: a slightly sympathetic state, or your heart rate's been up
Speaker 3: a little bit for the last hour. You've got three
Speaker 3: meetings for the rest of the day coming up. I've
Speaker 3: ordered a green tea on the way to that. It's
Speaker 3: going to be ready for you to pick up for
Speaker 3: you to consume. But also listen to this music as well,
Speaker 3: because we need you to return back to this baseline
Speaker 3: to catch some rest so that you can go back
Speaker 3: into that anabolic state. And oh, you know what, we
Speaker 3: listened to that song at that time it didn't work,
Speaker 3: try this song instead, and then it auto populates the
Speaker 3: next song that then does get you into the right state,
Speaker 3: whatever it might be. Like, this is where we'll well,
Speaker 3: we'll start to really see it in real life. What
Speaker 3: are the various cues of what brings us into our
Speaker 3: best health, down to the vegetable, down to the way
Speaker 3: that we move our body. It's going to be a
Speaker 3: completely different world when it comes to health. The health
Speaker 3: without Thinking is the tagline, but the idea of it
Speaker 3: is that once you've been exposed to these things, once
Speaker 3: you go, oh, the green tea did really help? Then
Speaker 3: how was I feeling at that time? I was feeling
Speaker 3: a little bit off? That's weird, Okay, have that granted.
Speaker 3: What happens over multiple exposures to that is you start
Speaker 3: actually getting real cues for oh yeah, actually no, I
Speaker 3: beat my alarm to it. I knew it was going
Speaker 3: to tell me my heart rate was a bit off
Speaker 3: because I felt it before it came up, because the
Speaker 3: last three time I felt like this, and then I
Speaker 3: got the alarm on my watch or the alarm on
Speaker 3: my goggles, whatever it might be. So it actually allows
Speaker 3: us to use AI to re educate our very specific cues,
Speaker 3: but then it goes so much further, I think, than
Speaker 3: what we could do in the past, because we have
Speaker 3: this incredible understanding of the differences between individuals, of how
Speaker 3: people can find their purpose and do all of these
Speaker 3: incredible cognitive exercises in improving the health and well being.
Speaker 3: So it'll include all of that. So it is a
Speaker 3: truly exciting time to be alive. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It is Sometimes I listen to you and I just
Speaker 2: get engrossed and I don't even have a question. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: go on, keep talking. But the other day I did
Speaker 2: a podcast TIF did you do that one with me?
Speaker 2: Where we're talking about the impact of work, like our
Speaker 2: relationship with.
Speaker 1: Work or is that just me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about even down cam to like I
Speaker 2: talk to people about among many other things, but we
Speaker 2: talk about the the impact.
Speaker 1: Of work on their health.
Speaker 2: So where they work, culture environment, what they wear to work,
Speaker 2: travel time, the physical office or the physical space that
Speaker 2: they work in, and how that affects everything from their
Speaker 2: heart rate to their recovery, to their cognition to their
Speaker 2: nervous system. To know how they feel in that space
Speaker 2: and one of the best things I ever did was
Speaker 2: I built this office that I love where I'm just
Speaker 2: looking at all these trees and my office is nice
Speaker 2: and comfy, and when I come in to hear I
Speaker 2: feel more creative and more focused and more calm than
Speaker 2: any other room in the house, in fact, any other
Speaker 2: I don't think you could put me in a workspace
Speaker 2: where I would feel better.
Speaker 1: Than the space that I'm in right now.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's like I consciously did that because the
Speaker 2: room that I'm in I didn't have it the way
Speaker 2: it's set up, and it was okay, and then I
Speaker 2: ended up just creating, creating something that for me works perfectly.
Speaker 2: And Yeah, when you think about, for example, among many
Speaker 2: other things, how long you spend at like for us,
Speaker 2: like Tiff, for you or me, how long I spend
Speaker 2: at a computer or at this desk or on you know,
Speaker 2: in zoom calls, or on podcasts or reading fucking papers
Speaker 2: or writing papers or answering emails, It's like, well, if
Speaker 2: you're going to spend a lot of time in that space,
Speaker 2: in that position, you might want to make it a
Speaker 2: really nice space to be in because that's good for
Speaker 2: your body and your emotions. And your cognitive function, but
Speaker 2: also you know, just for your happiness level. And I
Speaker 2: don't think most of the people that I talk to
Speaker 2: they don't think about their work environment in terms of
Speaker 2: the relationship that it has or the impact that it
Speaker 2: has on their health.
Speaker 3: And I mean I've had I've got some really beautiful
Speaker 3: cases it, and the data is profound. There was a
Speaker 3: one example around weight change. For example, they looked at
Speaker 3: a population. This is a study done in two thousand
Speaker 3: and six. They looked at if you're in high job
Speaker 3: stress with low control over your job, so you don't
Speaker 3: feel like you're in charge and you're stressed in it.
Speaker 3: If you were if you had a BMI that was
Speaker 3: twenty seven or above, you would gain weight in that environment.
Speaker 3: If you had a BMI that was twenty two or below,
Speaker 3: you would lose weight in that environment. And this is
Speaker 3: because a bigger body naturally has a more anabolic free
Speaker 3: disposition to stress. So that is, I'm going to grow
Speaker 3: in stress, I'm going to get bigger in stress, whereas
Speaker 3: skinnier bodies they have a catabolic response to stress, and
Speaker 3: that is I'm going to waste away. And so this
Speaker 3: is where so where people started and this is just
Speaker 3: from work. This isn't the food that they're eating, this
Speaker 3: is the environment that I'm in at work. And then
Speaker 3: we had a really fascinating experience. We run a bunch
Speaker 3: of worldness programs and one that really sticks out in
Speaker 3: my mind. She was actually the BMI of twenty two
Speaker 3: or below and her we do a depression anxiety stress
Speaker 3: scale that's twenty one. It's a well validated tool for
Speaker 3: general population and mental.
Speaker 1: Health and in my research, oh good stuff.
Speaker 3: So the the what we saw is I saw the
Speaker 3: highest DASH scores ever I saw on this individual at
Speaker 3: the start of the program, so she was pretty much
Speaker 3: topping out both scales. The change that we made to her,
Speaker 3: we knew that her body, based on the way that
Speaker 3: she was built, she was highly responsive to lots of noise,
Speaker 3: lots of light, lots of people because her nervous system,
Speaker 3: her ascending reticular activating system, is much more awake, and
Speaker 3: whenever she gets any kind of neural input, any kind
Speaker 3: of sensory input, it goes to her amigdala, which is
Speaker 3: her sort of stress response center, and then for her
Speaker 3: it goes up to her brain, whereas other people it
Speaker 3: goes down into their system, and they get and they
Speaker 3: want to punch stuff for her, she processes all of
Speaker 3: her stress cognitively, and so she was in an open
Speaker 3: plan office with air conditioning, bright lights, lots of people
Speaker 3: talking all of the time, in a really active culture.
Speaker 3: We moved her just based on the basic recommendations in
Speaker 3: her environment. We moved her to a quiet room where
Speaker 3: she could control the lighting and the temperature and didn't
Speaker 3: have anyone around her. In three weeks, her dash scores
Speaker 3: went to zero. It was truly, my nervous system is
Speaker 3: completely overwhelmed. I cannot get out of my head and
Speaker 3: what is.
Speaker 1: Wrong with me?
Speaker 3: That was her story.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 3: I am so calm, I am so clear in my mind,
Speaker 3: I feel so good, and I'm getting so much done.
Speaker 3: It had nothing to do with her food, nothing to
Speaker 3: do with her exercise. It was literally where she was
Speaker 3: sitting in the office. And this is no one talks
Speaker 3: about it. Everyone gets annoy lafe. Whenever I do a talk,
Speaker 3: I'll say, who hates air conditioning? Every time there's a
Speaker 3: third of the room that put their hand up saying
Speaker 3: I hate it, And how does it feel when you
Speaker 3: have air conditioning? It's like, ah, just agitated. It was like, great,
Speaker 3: who's had an interaction with John where he's been agitated?
Speaker 3: Your hands go up, you go great, did you ever
Speaker 3: think that it was the air conditioning? All you guys
Speaker 3: are thinking John's a terrible bloke. It just turns out
Speaker 3: the firmo stat was to play and these things we
Speaker 3: just we don't put together. We're not thinking of them
Speaker 3: as contributing to our health. But if you submit yourself
Speaker 3: to that experience, you go, I hate this job, I'm out,
Speaker 3: when in fact I hate this room is actually what
Speaker 3: you mean. The work is fine, the team is fine,
Speaker 3: but we have to create a narrative out of what
Speaker 3: we feel. And often that narrative is the thing in
Speaker 3: front of me. Work is the problem, when in fact
Speaker 3: it wasn't at all. So it's the idea of place
Speaker 3: is so fascinating.
Speaker 2: That is so interesting, dude, That is so interesting now
Speaker 2: other than you know, thy six and we're going to
Speaker 2: steer people there anyway. But people that are listening to
Speaker 2: this thinking there are so many variables, There are so
Speaker 2: many factors that are going to impact how I look, feel, function,
Speaker 2: experience life, do.
Speaker 1: Life, sleep, etc. Is there a way that.
Speaker 2: They can you know, just is it me going all right,
Speaker 2: is it me just paying more attention? Is it me
Speaker 2: being present? We're going to steer people towards the assessment that,
Speaker 2: but just in general terms, for people listening to this,
Speaker 2: maybe we just don't pay attention to what's going on
Speaker 2: around me and how that correlates to what's going on
Speaker 2: within me. It's just not an awareness that we have.
Speaker 2: I feel like, sorry, I'll shut up after this. I
Speaker 2: talk about this a lot. How I feel like a
Speaker 2: lot of us live unconsciously. And that's not an insult.
Speaker 2: It's just how I see things in that we kind
Speaker 2: of get out of bed and we get back into
Speaker 2: the canoe on our river, and it's our life has
Speaker 2: already got momentum and fly, and we kind of just
Speaker 2: step back into that momentum and we do what we
Speaker 2: did yesterday the way that we did it yesterday, the
Speaker 2: day before.
Speaker 1: The month before, the year before, even though it wasn't
Speaker 1: really optimal.
Speaker 2: And sometimes we've almost got to get out of that
Speaker 2: river to be able to see what's going on. We've
Speaker 2: got to get to the side of the metaphoric bank
Speaker 2: or the side of the river, to get on the
Speaker 2: bank so we can be more aware of what we're
Speaker 2: doing and how we're doing it, because it's very difficult
Speaker 2: to be objective and aware about the thing that you're
Speaker 2: in the middle of, you know, so being able to
Speaker 2: try and step back and go what is going on
Speaker 2: and when I'm in that environment, or when I sleep
Speaker 2: with the air on or the air off, or two
Speaker 2: blankets or one blanket or all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the first thing that I would get people
Speaker 3: to do is to think about the place and people
Speaker 3: an environment that makes them most happy. Right, And the
Speaker 3: really important thing is for me, when I'm doing work
Speaker 3: and I'm doing it productively and with a great schedule
Speaker 3: and a great priority, my whole outlook on life just
Speaker 3: improves dramatically. I feel more love for my kids, I
Speaker 3: feel more love for my friends. I feel like the
Speaker 3: day is actually worth living, Whereas if I don't do
Speaker 3: that work, or if I'm miss or disorganized, that actually
Speaker 3: creates strength to me, but for somebody else's. I just
Speaker 3: love having my family over and cooking them a meal,
Speaker 3: and I love the idea of us connecting together. There
Speaker 3: is nothing more grounding and peaceful for me than that,
Speaker 3: you know, another person is I just love getting into
Speaker 3: nature and immersing in nature and going for a walk
Speaker 3: and just listening to the birds and being connected to nature.
Speaker 3: Another person says, I just love being in my hit class,
Speaker 3: trying to beat all of those other people in the
Speaker 3: class and just winning. I hate not winning, and I
Speaker 3: feel so good when I can compete and win and
Speaker 3: I'm in some sort of challenge or excitement or doing
Speaker 3: a different thing, experiencing a different place, doing a different adventure.
Speaker 3: Another person's like, I just love being around my best friends.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what we're doing, it's social so and
Speaker 3: the reason why I share those and it can be
Speaker 3: I just like time by myself in a nice quiet
Speaker 3: room where I could just be completely with my own thoughts.
Speaker 3: And the reason why I share that is because everyone's
Speaker 3: searching for what should I start with first? Is it exercise?
Speaker 3: Is it food? Is at sleep? Is it whatever? But
Speaker 3: what we know from the work that we've done, we
Speaker 3: know that there is a different People have a biological
Speaker 3: mandate for their top priority. And for me, the way
Speaker 3: that my brain rewards itself, it's productive work makes everything
Speaker 3: cycles around that, and if I get that right, it
Speaker 3: works for somebody else it is is my family safe.
Speaker 3: The third is Is it just my group of friends
Speaker 3: and spending time and having fun? Is it or a
Speaker 3: sense of freedom if somebody else is a challenge. And
Speaker 3: this is where if you think of it that way,
Speaker 3: rather than oh, I need to get things right, that
Speaker 3: you can start with what are the environments that just
Speaker 3: make me feel fantastic? And my suggestion is to just
Speaker 3: incorporate more of those things into your life rather than
Speaker 3: trying to look for every little nook and cranny and
Speaker 3: every little variation of exercise, whatever it might be, Just
Speaker 3: go what is going to make me feel amazing? What
Speaker 3: kind of weights do I really like to lift? Kind
Speaker 3: of cardio do I absolutely love doing? And when you know,
Speaker 3: if I had the choice on the weekend, when would
Speaker 3: I do it? What would make me feel like I'm
Speaker 3: not rushed in the morning and I could wake up
Speaker 3: and just do it in my own time and really
Speaker 3: enjoy it. Who would I be with? So I would
Speaker 3: make a do a bit of an audit of when
Speaker 3: do I feel at my best? And is it the people?
Speaker 3: Is that the place? Is it the activity? Is it
Speaker 3: the food or is it not the food? Is it
Speaker 3: just the people? Is it the solitude? Is it the
Speaker 3: work orientation? And actually have. And normally, you know, culturally
Speaker 3: we're rewarded for working really hard, but then culturally we're
Speaker 3: punished for putting work over our family, in friends or
Speaker 3: whatever it might be. So there's this total tension that's
Speaker 3: happening all the time, and people think that, oh, me
Speaker 3: looking after my family's not enough. You know, me just
Speaker 3: wanting to spend time with my friends, it's not enough.
Speaker 3: That's not a good enough reward. And what I would
Speaker 3: really encourage you to do is actually just think what
Speaker 3: is my favorite thing to do, and then bugger what
Speaker 3: everybody else thinks, and just think I love that that
Speaker 3: makes me turn up as my best I'm going to
Speaker 3: do more of that. And that in itself is a
Speaker 3: recovery that in itself is eliciting flow and reward. And
Speaker 3: because in those times you actually feel, you look at
Speaker 3: your physiology, it's focused, rewarded, and calm, and that is
Speaker 3: the signature of health. So if you've got that, you
Speaker 3: are maximizing life in that moment. That's all life's about,
Speaker 3: pretty much, that combination of things. I've got focus, I'm calm,
Speaker 3: and I'm feeling rewarded. If we could all be in
Speaker 3: that space all the time. Life's a breeze, and those
Speaker 3: things come from things that align with us. So I
Speaker 3: would look beyond the normal scope and I would look
Speaker 3: for things that truly make you feel inspired. That's where
Speaker 3: i'd start.
Speaker 1: Is there a pill for it? Well?
Speaker 3: I mean not yet, not yet.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that, mate. You know what I want to
Speaker 2: I was going to, but I'm not going to. You
Speaker 2: know what I want to talk to you about one day?
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about one day. We
Speaker 2: don't have time because we're going to wind up. But
Speaker 2: how goods in early morning? Pooh like a great pooh?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Doesn't that set you up for a
Speaker 1: great day?
Speaker 2: Anyway, Let's talk about that next time. Maybe everybody has
Speaker 2: just gone thank god they didn't talk about it this time.
Speaker 2: How do people find you? How can people steer them
Speaker 2: towards your website and you? And doctor Cam does corporate work,
Speaker 2: he works with schools, He is available for all.
Speaker 1: Kinds of shit.
Speaker 2: So follow him and connect with him and maybe maybe
Speaker 2: even get him into your organization.
Speaker 1: How do people do that? Mate?
Speaker 3: I just google doctor Cam McDonald and then share group
Speaker 3: shae group, and you'll find a web page with all
Speaker 3: of the various links that you need to get started.
Speaker 2: Perfect ideot any final thoughts of wisdom, tiff did you
Speaker 2: glean anything? Yes?
Speaker 3: I do. Actually, in twenty twenty one, the population of
Speaker 3: Gundagey was twenty and fifty seven. Doctor Cam, gone down.
Speaker 3: It's gone down with Jan.
Speaker 1: Did you tell Jan? Well done? That's hilarious. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Well I might just call this episode gunder Guy. Population
Speaker 2: twenty and fifty seven. We'll say goodbye affair, but Doc,
Speaker 2: Doctor Tiffany, Doctor Cam.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, thank you you