WEBVTT - #2018 Your Operating Manual - Dr. Cam McDonald 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:00.960 I'll get our team. 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.200 It's it's doctor Cam, It's Doctor Tiff, and it's Fatty Harps, 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.480 It's Jumbo, It's Craig Anthony Harper from fucking La Trovlli, 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.440 originally from the thriving metropolis of Ballarat. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.239 Did you know that, Tiff? Did you know? I was 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:13.240 born in Ballarat? 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:14.600 I actually did not. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:16.560 Nineteen sixty three. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.000 I was one of many spent a whopping two years there, 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.440 so the memories are limited, but shout out to all 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:31.600 my homies in Ballarat. I've spent one, yeah, one thirtieth 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:32.480 of my life there. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.680 So and I went up there the other day and 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.000 did a little bit of a gig. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.960 At the RACV gold Fields and a truck threw up 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.279 a rock on the window of my new vehicle and 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.479 fucked up my screen. But anyway, it did not it 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.720 did not feel like home, but it felt nice. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.080 It's a nice part of the world, I reckon. I 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.040 like the country. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.040 I like country places, getting out of the hustle and bustle. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:00.720 Well I grew up. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.720 I grew up around cows and shit, so literally shit 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:09.560 and paddocks and forests and Australian paper. 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:10.160 Mill and all of those. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.559 Did you grow up in the rural confines or more 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.720 in the urban environment, Doctor cam. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.120 I was not too far from Baleratte. Considering all things, 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:26.240 I was in gunder Guy. Okay, so yeah, the only thing, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.480 the only memory I have of Balarat is Sovereign Hill, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.880 which is where you go gold mining and amazing stuff. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:38.000 But a gunder guy has a thriving population. I was 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:43.800 gonna say metabolism of twenty four hundred people, and that 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.920 number has not changed in my forty years of life. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.480 I wonder if that's the actual number or they just 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.919 haven't updated it because Jan's been busy. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.560 That's true. Actually I'm working on zero data, but I 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:01.440 just feel like it hasn't grown at all. A guy, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.640 I've never thought to question the data. That's so interesting. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.800 It's just a bit if it hasn't changed. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:09.720 I'll tell you what was a good story, the one 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.040 that you told us off air about what you're doing 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:12.560 last night. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.600 But we'll keep that off air. You're very welcome. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.800 He was working, he was studying, he was researching everyone, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:19.800 that's what he was doing. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:28.480 He's like, that's all good, that's all good. What goes 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.600 on in Vegas stays in Vegas. Pre show is known 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.799 as Vegas. How have you been? What's new? 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.160 Tell me about firstly, maybe we should do this. We 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.240 haven't done it for a while, but we're constantly getting 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.040 a turnover of listeners and new listeners coming in. So 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.399 for the people who have never met you, give them 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.440 a quick however long you want snapshot of your work, 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.440 your organization and what you do. Because I want to 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.760 dive in a little bit into a few things today 0:02:58.080 --> 0:02:59.360 relevant to that. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.280 So he SETI no pressure, go very good. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.240 Grew up in gunder Guy and my dad was a dentist. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.639 What's a population in gunder Guy. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.280 About twenty four hundred give or takes checking give will 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:16.400 take zero coli. So me and the other twenty three 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.720 hundred nine people we spent a good. Mum was known 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.120 as the pink Witch at home because she was She 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.600 owned the healing center in Gundergo. We had all of 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.000 the healers from various places come through and she would 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.000 facilitate clients for them. And then dad was the local dentist, 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.839 had a really really great dental practice, does a whole 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:40.280 lot with byte structure and saw some amazing anyway, it 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.520 did some really cool stuff, sort of a bit left 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:47.480 of field dentistry and anyway, long story short, ended up 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.240 doing X FIZZ and dietetics, exos physiology and dietetics. Wanted 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.520 to save the world and fixed diabetes. By the end 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.200 of exos physiology, thought I could do that with dietetics 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:01.120 as well nutrition. Went into a PhD looking at both 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:06.200 and how we could reduce breast cancer like poor breast 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.560 cancer outcomes with a Mega three excite. That was interesting 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.080 and what I found from that this is where things 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.120 really change. Because I was working in private practice at 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.240 the same time, and I was I'd have people coming 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.640 in and I'd saying, I'm going to reverse your diabetes. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.120 That's what I was telling all of the gps that 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.880 I was working, I'm going to reverse their diabetes. And 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.480 some people, genuinely, I would see dramatic shifts in their 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.200 blood sugar levels, and other people I would see no change. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.440 And I would be thinking, well, you're lying to me, 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.839 You're not doing it properly, you're not telling me the 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.080 truth about your diet history and your exercise. There's got 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.560 to be a problem with you. And after a couple 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.720 of years of the most dedicated client I ever had, 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.320 where I threw everything that I could at her and 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.800 no change, like she lost negative one centimeter on her 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.080 waist after two years. I was thinking what is wrong 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.440 with me rather than what's wrong with you and your adherents. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.040 So I started looking at personalization. At the same time, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.800 I was doing my PhD, and I was looking at 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.320 different bodies and how they respond to X and OMEGA three. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.200 And as it turns out, there was a cluster of 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.080 two or three people in my trial that just got 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.919 the best results ever. And they were like Tiff, so 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.280 they were sure athletic, amazing, just general superstars, and they 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.680 just saw this most incredible change. And then the majority 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:23.480 of my study population was not designed for the intervention 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.040 that I was running. I was asking them to do 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.520 five meals per day and different types of exercise training 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.080 that didn't really suit them, and AMEGA three wasn't as 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.719 big a deal for them as far as their need 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:39.880 their micronutrientl or macro micro macro nutrient needs. So I 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:44.480 started questioning, I can't just be giving everyone the same advice, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.200 and so I started looking into personalization. I started looking 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:51.080 at genetics. I found you know, they were about six 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.520 years into their data collection at this point, an organization 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:59.360 called Shay Group, but they had zero health professionals practicing 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.560 with it outside of the pilot group over in Europe. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.880 But they collected ten thousand individuals and followed them for 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:11.560 five years with this really hyper specific data collection of 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.320 we're going to measure every nook and cranny of this person, 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.440 and then we're going to see what happens to them 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.040 over five years, and we're going to start doing something 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.360 with that data. Where now at three million human years 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.240 of data with this very very bespoke data set, as 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.680 it's grown into hundreds of thousands of individuals, and the 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.680 whole idea is, we want to eliminate chronic disease and 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.800 pain by the year twenty fifty. And the only way 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:36.200 that you can do that is by having every person understood. 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.680 You can't give running to everybody because fifteen percent of 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.160 people get less fit when they run, and no one 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.280 talks about these statistics. Twenty percent of people will lose 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.119 muscle when they do resistance training in a randomized control trial, 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.599 you see these non responders. You'd send people out for walks. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.960 Thirty eight percent of people don't get any benefit from 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.400 the walking, but sixty two do, so you can't just 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.880 give everybody the same intervention. Mediterranean diet doesn't work for everyone, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:08.839 Paleo diets doesn't work for everybody. And your environment affects 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.880 your health, Your social life affects your health, The way 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.600 that you put your brain to work affects your health. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.240 And so they quantified and measured all of these different 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:21.200 things about what actually drives difference for your body and 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:25.680 what's the ultimate environment that you need. And now we've 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:31.240 got fifteen to twenty years of research under our belt 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.520 of this incredibly complex data set, we've layered it all 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.200 in with the evidence space so that each thing that 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.320 we're looking at has evidence space sitting behind it, and 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.360 then AI kind of brings it to life. We've been 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.800 doing AI since twenty eleven, and the whole idea is 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.240 we want the right information to hit the right person 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.200 at the right time. And I've in my practice, I've 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:58.600 seen reversal of diabetes, reversal of cardiovascular disease, MS Parkinson's, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.000 like some really really things using a combination of all 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.120 the things that we do in the organization. And now 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.200 we're applying that to health professionals training them, and that 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.240 to be part of my job is trained health professionals 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.880 running corporate well being programs where the individuals actually looked 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:19.400 at and provided support for. Same with schools and understanding 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.640 different types of learners and how that your behavior and 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.880 your learning style is actually driven from your genetics and 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.880 your biology, and that can help you understand things like 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.080 neurodivergence and a whole lot of different things things. So 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.439 we wanted to find the individual, and we want to 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.200 treat the individual and bring them to their happiest place. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.439 So it's been a two decade effort and I feel 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.679 like I've definitely found my life's purpose in it all. 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.440 So not much. So you haven't been doing much. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.640 They've been doing a lot. I just appear on podcasts 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:48.920 and don't do much, you know what I mean. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.679 I just don't know you want to? You just sworn 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.520 around like the pretty boy spokesperson. That's what you do. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.720 That they're looking for someone pretty day, to be honest, 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.200 this is all you are, very very pretty. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:00.840 That's fascinating. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:05.560 It's it's very much at odds with the typical model, 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:10.240 isn't it The traditional model of you know, five blokes 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.720 go in with high blood pressure and they all kind 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.400 of kind of are about the same height and weight 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.559 and symptoms, and so we give them all the same 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:23.679 medication at the same dose. And it works for one great, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.400 it works kind of for another one, it totally doesn't 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:30.240 work for two, and who knows about the last one. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:34.480 But I mean it is I think people don't realize 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:42.559 how much prescribing medication, prescribing nutrition, prescribing education, sorry exercise, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.120 even prescribing education. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.280 But prescribing all of these things is in many ways. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.440 High level guessing, you know, because it depends on how 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.480 much you know about the individual. But I know if 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.480 I book in with a GP today, and this is 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.480 not a refle election on the ethics or morality of 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.920 any GPS, but more a reflection. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.679 Of the busyness and the demand and the system. 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:08.880 But if I book in and I go and see 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.200 a GP who's never met me, he or she will 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.480 ask me a bunch of questions. They'll quickly fill out 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.240 some shit while I'm sitting with them. They probably won't 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.720 look at me much because they're filling out so much stuff. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.880 And I'll go, I've got high blood pressure. I think 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.200 they'll check my blood pressure, go yep. Then I'll go 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:26.760 I'm a bit short of breath and I've got all 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.000 this and then they'll prescribe something and I'll be in 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.319 and out in about twelve to fifteen minutes. And then 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.800 that medication could be a ten out of ten for me, 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.559 it could be a two out of ten for me, 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.040 or it could be a five. And so there's this 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.480 the way that our individual physiology interacts with all of 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:48.640 these different things that we do too or for our body. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:53.240 But that's you know, that's not really spoken about a 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.320 lot in mainstream medicine. And even you know, like even 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.240 the idea of I'll shut up. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.520 Go on, I don't know, I agree. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.040 I was even going to say with things like group training, 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.880 like I love group training, but when you've got thirty 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.520 people doing basically the same workout in the same room 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.040 on the same equipment, there's going to be various levels 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.680 or varying levels of benefit, and of course the other variabilities. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.240 People can manipulate their own intensity within that set structure. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.959 But again, you know, that's why I. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.480 Guess part of what you do, even what Tiff does, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.680 what I do, is trying to teach people to understand 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:35.280 how they work individually, and you know, like like what 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.559 does your body tell you when you sleep this way, 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.360 or when you move that way, or when you eat 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.920 that way, or you drink that or you don't drink that, 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.760 or you know what happens when you have booze? What 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.240 happens when you don't have booze? Because our body is 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.679 trying to teach us, I guess, and I've. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.080 Got some fun little statistics on that. Like, probably the 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.080 most widely prescribed medication for diabetes is met forman, which 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.160 is a great jug for doing. What it does is 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.160 it is effective in sixty percent of people. That's a 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.640 really big percentage of people that don't get a big 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.800 improvement in their blood sugar levels. But it also says 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.560 there's a lot more to it. The same thing. You 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.559 can literally strap people to a bed and inject them 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.600 with blood pressure medication and still one in eight people 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.040 will not change their blood pressure. This is where it's 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:21.560 not even a matter of do I take the drug 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.800 or not. People's bodies just respond. Why we have blood pressure. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.760 For example, one person, it could be their nervous system 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.199 that's just on and driving a sympathetic response throughout their body. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:37.120 Another person, we know there's individuals with actually skinnier archrees 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.240 and so the pressure in those arteries is higher and 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.760 that naturally creates a blood pressure, whereas somebody else who 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.160 gets forgotten altogether the way that their arteries are, they 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.720 get low blood pressure and they go great, you're fantastic. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.760 As I know, this is diabolical because this can be 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.440 really bad at the other end as well, And so 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:01.480 we forget about the range first and then we look 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.000 at There was a really great study looking at at 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:08.160 systematic review in two twenty nineteen looking at the effectiveness 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.240 of hit training and it's it was thought to be 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.240 the panacea. Yeah, we're going to fix everything with hit training. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.880 Thirty thirty three percent are likely to get a result, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.160 thirty four percent are uncertain to get a result, and 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.080 the difference thirty three percent are unlikely to get a 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.760 result with it. So it's literally a third or third 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.760 or third for uh. You look at a cycle class 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.520 and you know who's going to get the benefit. We 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.880 don't know. Everyone feels exhausted and feels like rewarded afterwards. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.040 But if if you're doing it in the morning, it 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.199 could be that your body doesn't tolerate stress that well 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.640 in the morning and it actually creates a greater stress 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.800 response for the rest of the day, you're completely exhausted 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.480 by lunchtime and you don't recover. I've had c C 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.640 Suite people that I've taken through a bit of a 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.920 program stop training in the morning and get four hours 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.000 of productivity back in their day because they're not exhausted 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.280 from their training. They train in the afternoon and they 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.600 get two to three times the benefit. So that level 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.080 of nuance, the timing, the type of training that still 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.319 applies to foods, and the timing of foods, when you 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.160 should eat your foods, when your biggest meal should be, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.480 the types of nutrients that you're more likely to need 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:19.000 right through to you know, we had one individual with 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:26.200 a very complex case of like nosebleeds, headaches, dizziness, just NonStop, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.920 and it turned out that the profile actually said you 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.040 should not live it altitude. You need to move down 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.080 to the bottom of the mountain. And she'd been doing 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.160 everything for ten years, seeing every specialist that she gets there, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.280 and literally she had to remove kale and moved to 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.760 the bottom of the mountain and all of her symptoms 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:44.840 resolved in two weeks. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.560 It was just fucking amazing. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.960 And no one's talking about that stuff. But we all 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.320 know that we go to an environment. Oh yeah, I 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.000 just feel so good in this place. We will test 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.880 things out, Like someone with rheumatoid arthritis lived in a 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:03.640 humid environment, sent them to a dry, warm environment for 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.960 their holiday, and then gave them some foods that also 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.640 support with the same sort of process to amplify it. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.440 Symptoms went away, a rumored to arthritis went home. Yeah, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.920 the symptoms came back. And so this is when we 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:21.360 look at disease. We forget, We're forgotten completely about who's 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.800 the person with the disease. Because somebody who needs a 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.240 dry environment that treats them, a person who needs a 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.400 human environment that's going to treat them, a person that 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.440 needs three meals per day that's going to treat them. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.240 But if they're and so this is where you know, 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.000 Hippocrates said this two and a half thousand years ago, 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.440 and lots of people have said it in different ways. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.480 There is no such thing as disease. There's a person 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.560 with a disease and if you understand the person, and 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.760 this you know, comes into the nearer divergence here as well. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.200 If you put a child into an environment that makes 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.280 them happy, they don't have neurodivergent symptoms anymore. In some 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.120 instances they behave really well, they focus really well, but 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.360 you put them into an environment that doesn't match them, 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:06.000 and their symptoms erupt, and so understand the person then 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.440 we can start to understand the disease process. But it's 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.200 it's been I mean, it's been the best journey for 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.840 the last ten years. And I could talk about it 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.480 for hours, but I'll stop there for the moment. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.920 Truly, truly, your stuff fascinates me. And I just think, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.800 and you know, and Tiff knows, like I don't. I 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.720 don't say stuff I don't mean, but I just think 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.640 it's the future. I think it's the way. Is this, 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.320 you know, like personalized medicine, personalized exercise programming on a 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.080 high level, personalized nutrition of course, of course, because it 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:39.440 just like why wouldn't it, like we people instinctually or 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.320 instinctively I should say no that what works for me 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.720 might not work for you. You know, like someone has a 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.520 handful of almonds, it's a healthy snack. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.320 Someone else has. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.720 One armand and they die because they have an anaphylactic 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:53.720 reaction or something. 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.400 But it was good for their heart, you know, Yeah, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:58.920 it was going to be good for their heart. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.880 Here's my little anecdote. So I was in Queensland on 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.160 the weekend Thursday to Saturday night, and I generally only 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.439 eat breakfast and dinner, and I may have a snack 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.000 through the day, but usually like a tub of yogurt 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:19.040 or forty of the aforementioned almonds without the reaction. But 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.040 you know, either nothing through the day between kind of 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.560 eight and seven or a small snack but definitely not 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:25.000 a meal. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:32.879 But anyway, so Saturday, I was in Surface and Surfers. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.640 Paradise and I was just I ate an early breakfast 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.800 but not big and it was about three two o'clock 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.040 and I had to present from four to five thirty, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:43.440 so I had to talk for an hour and a half. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:44.760 Then I had to go to the airport. Then I 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.880 did it, and I thought, well, it's going to be Firstly, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:49.639 I don't know what i'll be able to get at 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.879 the airport. I don't know what time that'll be, and 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.560 I was mildly peckish. I thought, you know, i'll go 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.119 and i'll get myself a coffee at seven to eleven, 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.520 which I know is not the high watermark for but 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.960 fuck it, that's what I did, and while I was 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.440 in there, I went, I might grab one of these. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:11.399 In hindsight, bad decision. Chicken wraps. I'm like, it's just 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.080 a chicken wrap, like chicken and salad. Can't be bad. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.840 I didn't read the box anyway, got out, had a bite, 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.240 I'm like, oh, I don't know. I don't know anyway, 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.640 So I ate this wrap. It was only like maybe 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.840 four hundred and fifty calories or something, but I don't 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.520 know what the fuck was in that, but it made 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.439 me feel sick until last night, like I just there 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.440 was something where it was margarine, whether it was I 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:37.479 don't know what it was. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.000 And it's very unlike me not. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.280 To be particular, but I just thought, I'm going to 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:43.960 eat this thing because I'm not going to eat much 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:44.840 for the rest of the day. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:46.720 And so that was Saturday. 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:52.000 Afternoon and yesterday was Tuesday, and it took me until 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:56.000 about lunchtime Tuesday before whatever that was was. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:57.240 Kind of out of my system. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:01.080 That sounds disgusting, but I could fear all like my 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.199 body wasn't the same. It was like my body, my 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.480 body was just saying to me, what the fuck did 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.640 you do? Like, what was that because I don't eat 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.880 things like that generally. But it's amazing when you get 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.520 out of because I know exactly what works for my 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.359 body with everything, with food, with sleep, with supplements, with rest, 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:25.200 with recovery, with socialization, with time alone, with time with people, 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.239 with stress, with calm, with and then I just chuck this. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.240 And you wouldn't think one little thing could have such 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.160 an impact, but it. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:37.879 Can absolutely And it's just even a lot of people 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:42.040 walk around in their life with a baseline level of earth. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.200 Most of the time, they don't realize how good they 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.280 can feel like. That's what's and we aren't taught at 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:53.800 all to investigate the feelings that we're getting as children. Oh, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:55.359 how does it feel when you eat that? How does 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.080 it feel when you give that? How does it feel 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:58.680 when you connect with your mum that way? You know, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.520 we never ask those questions. People don't get any kind 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:06.040 of barometer about that, and then you end up sort 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.480 of masking what life could feel like, or masking the 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.320 amount of pain in your body with caffeine and busyness 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:16.560 and alcohol and whatever it may be. You know the 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.239 number of people that I know that go home and 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.200 just have a glass of wine to take the edge 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.280 off it as opposed to you know, what is actually 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.680 creating the edge, you know, And even that question, I 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:27.920 just prefer to wake up a little bit more sluggish 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.199 and I'll just have another coffee and then I'll be fine. 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:39.000 It's we are supported by our society to live like that, caffeinated, 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.560 masking the real signals that are coming from our system. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.640 The effort to be more mindful is great. But even still, 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.920 and this is probably what the most exciting stuff about 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.800 the work that we do is when you get a symptom, 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:56.040 we can now say, well, this is why that symptom 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.360