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Speaker 1: We're doing a thanks to Sholready Express. You've got Jason

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Speaker 1: Lauren Clint here as well and leading the news this morning.

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Speaker 2: Clint another home invasion here in Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: In Albion, in fact, armed offender entering a home. Thankfully

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Speaker 3: the homeowner was able to safely secure his home and

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Speaker 3: in doing so apprehend the offender until police.

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Speaker 4: Are aren't got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is my biggest fear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, me too, But it's just been something that I

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Speaker 4: feel like we've talked about so much because it's.

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Speaker 1: Not going away. If anything, it's on the right. The

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Speaker 1: latest as an MP has come out David Limbrick wanting

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Speaker 1: to overhaul these states self defense laws to give more

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Speaker 1: power to residents to protect their homes.

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Speaker 4: So what I mean, I know you guys are police officers.

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Speaker 4: What powers do we have in our homes currently?

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Speaker 3: So it's a self defense law which became which was

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Speaker 3: legislated in two thousand and five, and keeping in mind

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Speaker 3: it's very similar in every state and territory across Australia.

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Speaker 3: Basically at the moment in Victoria there's exemptions for self

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Speaker 3: defense in your home. But what Limbrick is saying, mister Limbrick, sorry,

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Speaker 3: is that he wants to look at strengthening those laws

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Speaker 3: so that people who are defending their own home against

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Speaker 3: criminals have more peace of mind that they won't be

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Speaker 3: prosecuted because at the moment it's up to the courts

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Speaker 3: and the police.

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Speaker 1: Right, So at the moment, if you break into my

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Speaker 1: house and I wake up and I see you about

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Speaker 1: to enter my kid's bedroom, if you haven't attacked me,

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Speaker 1: I technically can't attack you. Oh, it's got to be

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Speaker 1: self defense that's reasonable and equivalent to it, which is

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Speaker 1: crazy because I can see you now. If I woke

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Speaker 1: up and I saw someone about the enter my kids room,

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Speaker 1: it'd be a baseball about it and bring them down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, There's been a lot of confusion about this stuff,

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Speaker 4: right because I've heard people say, no, you can't defend

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Speaker 4: your your property, but you can if it's just.

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Speaker 1: Like so in the UK, you can strike before being attacked,

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Speaker 1: which to me, if they're in your house, in your

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Speaker 1: house at two o'clock in the morning, they're not there

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Speaker 1: for a cup of tea.

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Speaker 3: No, I guess, and it is a gray area. And

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Speaker 3: the Victoria Police advice in this instance is advising homeowners

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Speaker 3: against fronting up to an intruder.

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Speaker 2: I know, but that's that's my But you.

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Speaker 4: Also want to minimize conflict as well. You don't want

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Speaker 4: to be telling people go for it.

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Speaker 1: No, no, but like you know, you've heard stories of

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Speaker 1: people barricaded in their bedrooms and the intruder the people

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Speaker 1: trying to get into the bedrooms. Also, if you've got

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Speaker 1: kids in the house, yeah, like you bet you're asking

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Speaker 1: you going to try and get them out.

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Speaker 4: Of there totally.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Lynn Brook.

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Speaker 1: Durrett was a victim of a home invasion August last year,

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Speaker 1: breaking in the middle of the night while sleeping, woke

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Speaker 1: up to the house in a mess. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us this morning, morning morning.

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Speaker 2: So did you face the intruder?

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Speaker 5: No, I didn't. Well, I'm to be honest, I'm glad

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Speaker 5: I was slipping because I wonder what I would have done.

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Speaker 5: I probably would have fort them, because, like I was

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Speaker 5: telling the producer earlier, and just because of the trauma

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Speaker 5: of what happened in August. This year, around April, I

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Speaker 5: went to a barbecue session and I unlocked my car

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Speaker 5: just to offload it. Went to drop some things and

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Speaker 5: I saw some people in my car and I just

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Speaker 5: ran immediately.

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Speaker 1: I was going to start with you, what's happened? So

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Speaker 1: you work out the night your home has invaded. You

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Speaker 1: woke up just to find things, trash, the car missing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, car missing. I thought. I thought I was dreaming.

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Speaker 5: I can't missing, and I was so scared. I think

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Speaker 5: I didn't sleep in the house for a month. I

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Speaker 5: was so scared.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 5: I had a flatmate who was in the house, but

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Speaker 5: I at that time, I was a single mom. I

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Speaker 5: was so lucky that my son was with that that

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Speaker 5: weekend because I don't know what I would have done.

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Speaker 3: It was just me.

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Speaker 5: I was like, it was ridiculous. I was scared even

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Speaker 5: thinking about it. Now, I'm even crying because it's even

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Speaker 5: the trauma.

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Speaker 6: I leave you together.

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Speaker 5: Someone has come into your house. You had not facing

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Speaker 5: your please in the middle of the night. No, if

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Speaker 5: I hear cars moving, I think someone is showing.

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Speaker 2: To rob it.

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Speaker 1: It sounds crazy, but it was actually a perfect scenario

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Speaker 1: for you where you didn't know what was going on

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Speaker 1: and you woke up after they'd left, which is frightening.

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Speaker 4: What's also frightening is that you hear when people do

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Speaker 4: confront these intruders, it's often the homeowner who's coming off

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Speaker 4: second best in these situations.

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Speaker 2: So you don't want to.

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Speaker 4: Encourage, No, encourage, absolutely understands. I'm not saying encourage it

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Speaker 4: defending your property and protecting your family.

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Speaker 3: Well, overnight, it sounds like this resident and the intruder

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Speaker 3: in Melbourne's West were both seriously injured injured, so it

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Speaker 3: sounds like there's been some sort of scrap. That man

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Speaker 3: was arm with a knife obviously broke into this Albion

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Speaker 3: home round eight, So the fifty four year old resident

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's no doubt that the law should protect

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Speaker 4: the homeowner and the family is within the home, and

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Speaker 4: your right to protect yourself and your family.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm not saying let's all go get guns or

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Speaker 1: anything like that, right and you know we're chatting about

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Speaker 3: The air, and I just fear an escalation in doing so,

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Speaker 3: I would encourage people, I know.

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Speaker 1: Clint, but also you know, maybe giving homeowners more power

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Speaker 1: is going to encourage these little dirtbags to not break

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Speaker 1: into homes, put a bit of bloody fear in them,

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Speaker 1: not as for.

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Speaker 2: Once, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: So, wait, are the rules changing?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, it's just a proposed it's a proposal.

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Speaker 3: And again, you know, these have been self defense laws

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Speaker 3: which are brought in two thousand and five, so it's

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Speaker 3: always good to look at them.

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Speaker 2: We are in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Obviously a lot changes in the twenty years that have

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Speaker 3: follow but they are laws that are very very similar

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Speaker 3: in every state they've been at or.

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Speaker 4: The Victorian police and our government think that they're fine.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a proposal from a independent mp I.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly, Tenure and Kilmore. You're a victim of home invasion.

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Speaker 1: You confronted the intruder.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so we actually were woken up. We woke up

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Speaker 6: in the morning to go to an Anzac parade at

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Speaker 6: three thirty and found our car to be gone, and

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Speaker 6: at the time we work clear on sort of what

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Speaker 6: had happened, and then re entering into the home, realized

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Speaker 6: that we had actually been broken into. But later on

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Speaker 6: what had happened was was about six months later on

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Speaker 6: we got a phone call from the Justice departments for

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Speaker 6: a reunification meeting with the person who had actually broken

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Speaker 6: into our home.

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Speaker 4: You had to face them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, we actually had to face this young person.

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Speaker 6: He was fifteen years old, and he clearly gave us

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Speaker 6: there was us an eleven other victims, and he actually

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Speaker 6: had to give us a clear description as to what

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Speaker 6: he had done in our home. And he had said

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Speaker 6: straight to my husband and I, in your home, we

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Speaker 6: went into the purple bedroom and into the pink bedroom.

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Speaker 6: There was two girls in the purple bedroom and one

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Speaker 6: girl in the pink bedroom.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Tanya.

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Speaker 3: How did that make you feel hearing that?

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Speaker 6: Still to this day and we're probably ten years on,

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Speaker 6: still to this day, absolutely terrified. Yes, and I had

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Speaker 6: to sit there face him and see him look at

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Speaker 6: us say.

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Speaker 2: That I'm sorry we went through that. I couldn't think.

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Speaker 2: It is my number one fear. Oh, absolutely, And.

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Speaker 1: That's why I just I get what you're saying about

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Speaker 1: the slippery slope. But at the moment, the power is

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Speaker 1: in these scumbags hands. We need to add a bit

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Speaker 1: of fear into Them's terrible.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing now, Tenure, Yeah, we're not too bad.

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Speaker 6: We've moved out of that house and out of the area.

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Speaker 6: But I think also, like our daughters were quite young,

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Speaker 6: and it was a decision that we made not to

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Speaker 6: not to say anything to them. When we were younger

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Speaker 6: or something we said a little bit older, you know,

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Speaker 6: when they were later teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm based.

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Speaker 3: On this and it's very topical obviously based on what

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Speaker 3: this MP is proposing. Do you think homeowners need more

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Speaker 3: rights or more protection?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely? Absolutely, because if he if we had waken up

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Speaker 6: when he was in our home, I'd hate to think

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Speaker 6: what my husband would have done. Totally. I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: what I would have done, but you know, absolutely petrified

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Speaker 6: as to what my husband would have done. And then

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Speaker 6: you know, if he was prosecuted, me and the children exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't ask to be in that situation.

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Speaker 1: Something's got to be I thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: you call this morning mate, it's just gone seven thirty.

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Speaker 2: We'll update your underwork Latist in years next